How is it my fault if I can't feel God?
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- Jon Steingard, former lead singer of the Christian rock group Hawk Nelson, says that he’s no longer a Christian. In this video, he and Frank have a heartfelt discussion about divine hiddenness and whether or not we need to see God in order to trust Him and believe in His existence. Check it out!
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He says he struggles because he can’t feel God, people walked with Jesus and knew him and saw all his miracles and still would periodically doubt and then eventually abandon him.
Any mature christian knows there are days you feel nothing for your awesome spouse. Not because of anything they did. You continue to do loving things and dwell on the positive and feelings come back even without those acts. Waiting until feelings come back is immature and short sighted. He needs to understand his feelings for God Is secondary to whether God exists or not. Ive seen him before and comes across as very emotional from the questions he asks.
Absolutely true
Only because people find pleasure in their sins and believing would hold them accountable
@@heavensent9772
Or people don't believe in your religion for a similar reason you don't believe in Islam, Greek mythology, and the rest.
@@joselopez-he1mc - yeah, certainly so about your wife. But how many days have you struggled that your wife, your kids, your parents, your bestie merely existed? Much hunch is never, that is the feeling of doubt.
I can understand this more than most I believe. I have been a Christian ever since I was 8 years old. However, I too have felt that God was hidden from me at one point. It was the day I lost my daughter. Never in my life have I felt so broken or hurt. Even writing this down, all those memories flash back. I remember praying to God in those moments to give me some moment of peace and comfort, but it never came. I never felt so alone in my life. However, when I eventually read the word and began to contemplate everything, I came to these conclusions. The first conclusion is that tragedy doesn't disprove God. God can exist whether bad things happen or not. The second conclusion I had was that tragedy doesn't disprove the Bible. The Bible does not promise an easy life to those who follow Christ. Finally, my third conclusion, the most powerful thing I learned in that time was that, while I was grieving, God was grieving with me. I then remembered one intrinsic truth about Christianity that actually gave me a level of comfort. God doesn't just know my pain intellectually, but he understands it personally because he too lost his own son. He too knows what it's like to be a grieving father. While it is not ideal, the knowledge that God understands me on a human level is extremely powerful.
There are gods that will come when you cry out for help. The Abrahamic slave cults aren't all there is. Get out before it's too late.
great comment bro
Amen!
I've gained wisdom from your writing.
How did God lose his son? Dead for three days?
About 20 years ago, I remember crying & yelling at God - I said ‘this faith stuff would be a lot easier if I could SEE you!!’ I kind of laugh when I look back at that - and I imagine that God had a little chuckle too. But I really was frustrated & I felt kind of lost and lonely. Fast forward 20-some years - I have gone through periods of being a ‘prodigal daughter’ - but I always come back to Him. When I stay close to Him & follow His ways - my life is always much better.. and I have peace and joy and assurance. Just because I can’t see something doesn’t mean it is not there. I can’t see electricity - but I know that it is there because I just turned my light switch on. 😊💖🙏🏻💝😊
@Notim that is why I put it in ‘bunny ears’ :-)
@@Sanlynnben Some people just have to nit pik. I liked your comment. Blessings. 👍🏼
God is your invisible friend.
@Sandra Bennett: “When I stay close to Him & follow His ways - my life is always much better”
For me it is the opposite life was always good but when I got rid of the superstitious shackles and false hope about 36 years ago and took e accountability for my own deeds life turned out to be much better
@Sandra Bennett: “I can’t see electricity - but I know that it is there because I just turned my light switch on.
Yes, you can see the result of the action. What action you did do or do that gave or give you the result of a god, any of the more than 3 400 gods worshiped today, are there.
It is written "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God". As a young kid I literally cried out to God and asked him about something minor. I stopped, I believed 1000 percent, and waited. I felt my heart as if an ice cold feeling. I did not doubt or have second thoughts. God delivered. At that moment I saw God. Not with human eyes but spiritually. What did I see? I saw that God had so much LOVE coming from Him that I was overwhelmed with awe.
It is written? So what?
@@JW-ri9oy My experience is my own. Their experience is their own. The person who claims a yellow spaghetti monster with purple wings answered their miracle that is their experience also. You have to seek and experience that yourself if true or not as in Doubting Thomas before being convinced that Jesus rose from the dead.
Everyone has a personal testimony including me. Although it's not something that should be used as evidence or is evidence in any regard. This video is about a topic that is purely subjective emotions and testimony, so his comment is valid.
It being written rather you believe or not is still God's word. God's word are powerful and therefore he has greater meaning.
@@vxenon67 your experience is a trick of your mind.
“Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have NOT seen and YET have believed.””
John 20:29 NKJV
@Notim the wages of sin is death; you’re right I do see why everything in this reality dies; it seems God was telling the truth from the beginning
@Notim not everything in science is true, or solid. But I do agree that it helps us explain things we wouldn’t otherwise understand/explain in the detail in which we can explain it with science. It even helps us prove many of the historical, and archeological facts in the Bible. (Frank Turek understands this pretty well, just listen to him others like him speak on it.)
But never the less.. even in science “seeing” isn’t always believing. Have you “seen” gravity? Have you “seen” radiation or sound waves? Have you “seen” time?! No, but it doesn’t stop you from accepting the affects of them on us and the truth of its existence. The same way we see the affects of God and the truths of His word, which come to fruition over time -TIME and TIME again as history has unfolded. How could mere men predict these prophetic, HISTORICALLY documented events in the future, if they were not being led by God (or at the very least, a power much higher then themselves)? 🤷🏾♂️
Just my thoughts based off what I know to be true about the Bible. Study it for yourself, before you try to knock it with worldly ideas that don’t actually disprove anything in the Bible.
@@japexican007 the wages of sin is death;
Everything ends in death. You fear death so you desperately cling to an imaginary friend thinking he will save you at the end.
>you’re right I do see why everything in this reality dies
You are a product of this reality, you'll die with this reality.
@@JiuJitsuRanger It even helps us prove many of the historical, and archeological facts in the Bible. (Frank Turek understands this pretty well, just listen to him others like him speak on it.)
Archaeological digs have proved very little of the bible. There is proof of a handful of kings, a handful of battles, the Judean exile to Babylon and lots of locations and daily behaviors of the Hebrews and others. But most people and events in the bible are not proven and much of the time contradicted.
@Notim again, just bc you haven’t seen it for yourself (healing after laying of hands) doesn’t make it not true/possible. You’ve likely seen a lot of false teachers/prophets who claim to know the truth or be a Christian attempt to do so and rightly fail at it. No surprise to the true Christian believer.
But let me just share one last thing and I’ll be done.
From an article I found on Bible reasons that I think explains well what’s happening in the world and even in the comments as we speak:
“When you’re spiritually blind you can’t see Christ because you hardened your heart and won’t come to the knowledge of the truth.
When you’re spiritually blind you are separated from God and you will continue to lie to yourself. God’s not real, the Bible is false, hell is fake, I’m a good person, Jesus was just a man, etc.
Spiritual blindness is the reason that you can preach Biblical things to false Christians, but they still find excuses for their sin and rebellion.
You can give them scripture after scripture, but they will find anything they can to keep and justify their sin. Have you ever wondered how you can continuously tell someone the gospel of Christ and they agree with what you say, but they never repent, and trust in Christ?
The spiritually blind person must cry out to God, but pride stops them. Pride stops people from seeking the truth and opening up their minds to the truth. People choose to remain ignorant.
People in false religions like Catholicism, Mormonism, Islam, Jehovah Witness, etc. are spiritually blind. They reject clear as day passages.”
This is even the case in MOST “Christian” churches, sadly, but God said it would be that way. Just look at some of these verses where he calls it out.
Jesus talking to his believers after he resurrected from the dead:
John 14:17-20 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
2. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
3. 1 Corinthians 1:18-19 The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”
4. Matthew 15:14 so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.”
5. 1 John 2:11 But anyone who hates another brother or sister is still living and walking in darkness. Such a person does not know the way to go, having been blinded by the darkness.
7. 1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach about a crucified Christ, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles.
Satan is real, and until Jesus comes back for his new people, Satan is called “the prince of the air” (of this world -ever since his fall from heaven) and blinds many people from the truth. (Which started with the deception of Adam and Eve, our first earthly mother and father for all of mankind. Which science proves in all of our DNA that we all share the same specific genetic code to support this idea, and can share a link for that if you’d like)
8. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
9. 2 Corinthians 11:14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
People furthermore don’t see the truth because of the hardening of their heart.
10. John 12:39-40 This is why they could not believe: Isaiah also said, “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, so that they might not perceive with their eyes, and understand with their mind and turn, and I would heal them.”
11. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth.
BUT there is a hope. His name is Jesus. A hope for ANYONE who is to truly believe. Even you. If his spirit calls to you after hearing the truth. You don’t have to remain in this darkness and hardness of your heart, as the scriptures describe us ALL to be, before we come know Him. You can come to know the Lord too, if Gods wills it to be. What does that look like? It looks like you taking a posture of great humility, and asking God to soften your heart to Him and His truth, in patience, and repent (turn 180°) from your sin, so that you truly may be saved. If that happens… You will be. His words says so. Do we all still sin. Yes, because we still live in this tainted body, but we sin far less than we used to by His grace, and are now made aware of it, so we best know how to identify it (with scripture/prayer) and can cut it off from us as we stay diligently in His word & prayer, daily. All so that we may be sustained and preserved in our faith, until the last day.
“Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father’s, and of the holy angels.”
Luke 9:23-26 NKJV
I sympathize with Jon, as I I'm sure most of us can. I wish Frank would have asked him how he would view or explain the miraculous presence/gift of the two children he spoke of.
The simple fact is, faith wouldn't be required if we had all the answers up front.
Praying for a fresh revelation for Jon and his family.
You don't need faith for a relationship.
Not sure what your point is, and I'd welcome an explanation, but I never said anything about relationship.
@@johnnyappleseed5029 Well if you're asking how to explain the two children, the sperm of the male impregnated the egg of the female, and the kids came from that. Simple enough to explain.
Pray for him.
Think for Frank.
@@cygnusustus
We all think for ourself. And we will each be accountable for ourself on the day we die and stand before God.
How are you gonna do?
Amen
@@cygnusustus Lol you have no life. You really just troll Frank Turek videos?
@@thomasb4467
Nope. You have swallowed nonsense uncritically.
He reassures us through his word. It's our lack of beleif in his word and whether it is directed to us or not that conflicts many. Faith in him and his word is vital.
Have you ever observed this god?
Could God present itself in such a way that one would not need faith, because they would know?
These people and their disbelief... They're pitiful creatures xD
I wonder why they waste their time watching Christian apologetics if they truly don't believe in God. "God's not real and I hate Him!"
@@theoskeptomai2535 “observed” physically no since God is spirit
@@japexican007 So you would agree this god is not a _reality,_ correct?
I went through a very dark period of depression where I lost my awareness of God's presence after a bad church experience. That was the darkest and loneliest 3 years of my life. I have never felt greater agony than the agony I felt laying there alone in the dark; wondering if God had also rejected me. But now since Jesus rescued me I can see so many ways He was with me in the storm and how He allowed the storm for my good.
I can relate to the loneliness you expressed though words really can’t describe that darkness.
When i got saved and felt myself change from the inside, thats when i knew God is REAL!! Sure, there may be small doubts here and there but never about the existence of God. Because the evidence is ME,...i changed, my heart and mind changed,...i got born again. So sometimes i wonder if these people who leave the church were ever born again / saved in the first place.
Good video, thanks for sharing. God bless
I bet you didn't change one bit on the outside, except maybe got more difficult to be around.
Some folks fall away because they don’t want to do things God’s way and they’re in rebellion. For some folks it may be drugs or alcoholism and for others it may be sexual immorality. God will eventually walk away if you don’t change.
@@musicblogger87 Some folks fall away because they don’t want to do things God’s way and they’re in rebellion. For some folks it may be drugs or alcoholism and for others it may be sexual immorality.
The old stereotype that christians project on agnostics and atheists.
In reality, The sexual deviant is standing on the pulpit preaching to people. The drug addict is sitting in the front row screaming amen every 5 minutes.
Most people just get tired of the bull and realize it's all fake.
Salvation isn't a "feeling." Even though we will feel the presence of the Holy Spirit many times in our walk, there will be times when we don't so we have to stand on God's word.
If it's not a "feeling" then it's nothing at all.
@@Bc232klm Its faith, You cannot please God without faith. Feelings accompany faith but its not the evidence of faith.
@@arniekando6846 great comment. I always read or quote scripture when I am feeling down or doubtful then that changes my heart and then my feelings follow. Things may not seem better but with faith we can know that God is in control regardless.
@@arniekando6846 You cannot please God without faith
Wow your imaginary friend is demanding. He must be really deficient and needy.
@@Bc232klm Feelings change like the wind. If you trust your feelings you are steering your ship blind.
I always ask professing “ex-Christians” what their first experience with the Holy Spirit was like and they never have more than a superficial answer. 1 John 2:19 says they were never Christians to begin with. I was an atheist/anti-theist for 31 years until Jesus Christ himself rescued me from a demonic possession and even showed up in my room months later. That was my Road to Damascus moment. No one can convince me that God doesn’t exist.
I'd love to hear your testomony about Jesus showing up in your room if you don't mind sharing?
Demons aren't real. They were real Christians. I was a real christian until I realized it was all made up nonsense.
There's no evidence for ANY god's existence, let alone the one you chose arbitrarily.
Don't be proud of being so closed minded, but I know religions LOVE when you do that stuff. Why think for yourself?!? Just believe what we tell you!!!!
@@Bc232klm what was your first experience with the Holy Spirit like?
Me too!!! I cried out in literal paralyzed fear to every Tom, Dick and Mary but only Jesus came and saved me. It’s hard to find someone else who has actually felt His Love ALIVE! Pretty incredible isn’t it!
As someone a used to be an atheist and hated God and thought the world was gross and disgusting. Now that I found God I see how beautiful the world is all the intricate things God has laid out and created from the kinds of animals to the mountains and the trees. I always learn about new ways God has created this beautiful world did you know that when birds sing in the morning the musical tune actually opens flowers.
I also have a good imagination so maybe this leads to it but I can actually feel his hand holding my heart and his energy and warmth in me.
Glory to God.
In the Old Testament there appears the concept of Yahweh’s having a heavenly court, the sons of God. They are referred to variously as the ‘sons of God’ (bene ha ‘elohim, Gen 6.2, 4; Job 1.6, 2.2; or bene ‘elohim, Job 38.7), the ‘sons of gods’ (bene ‘elim, Pss. 29.1, 89.7 [ET 6]) or the ‘sons of the Most High’ (bene ‘elyon, Ps. 82.6). *It is also generally agreed that we should read ‘sons of God’ (bene ‘elohim) for ‘sons of Israel’ in Deut. 32.8 (see below).*
There are further numerous places where the heavenly court is referred to without specific use of the expressions ‘sons of God(s)’ or ‘sons of the Most High’. Thus, the heavenly court is mentioned in connection with the first human(s) (Gen 1.26, 3.22; Job 15.7-8) or elsewhere in the primaeval history (Gen. 11.7; cf. Gen 6.2 above), and in the context of the divine call or commission to prophecy (1 Kgs 22.19-22; Isa 40.3,6; Jer. 23.18, 22; cf. Amos 3.7). We also find it referred to in connection with the guardian gods or angels of the nations (Isa.24.21; Ps. 82.1; Ecclus 17.17; Jub. 15.31-32; cf. Deut 32.8 and Ps. 82.6 above; implied in Dan 10.13, 20; 12.1). Apart from the isolated references to the divine assembly on the sacred mountain in Isa 14.13 and to personified Wisdom in the divine assembly in Ecclus 24.2, the other references to the heavenly court are more general (Zech. 1.10-11, 3.7, 14.5; Ps. 89.6-8 [ET 17], 7.10, 21, 25, 27, 8.10-13; cf. Job 1.6, 2.2, 38.7 and Pss. 29.1, 89.7 [ET 6] above). Just as an earthly king is supported by a body of courtiers, so Yahweh has a heavenly court. *Originally, these were gods, but as monotheism became absolute, so these were demoted to the status of angels.*
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*It is in connection with the Canaanite god El and his pantheon of gods, known as the ‘sons of El’, that a direct relationship with the Old Testament is to be found. That this is certain can be established from the fact that both were* ***seventy*** *in number.* At Ugarit we read in the Baal myth of ‘the ***seventy*** sons of Asherah (Athirat)’ (sb’m. bn. ‘atrt, KTU 1.4. VI.46). Since Asherah was El’s consort, this therefore implies that El’s sons were ***seventy*** in number. *Now Deut. 32.8, which is clearly dependent on this concept,* declares, ‘When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God’. The reading ‘sons of God’ (bene ‘elohim) has the support of the Qumran fragment, 4QDeut, the LXX, Symmachus, Old Latin and the Syro-Hexaplaric manuscript, Camb. Or. 929. *This is clearly the original reading, to be preferred to the MT’s ‘sons of Israel’ (bene yisra’el), which must have arisen as a deliberate alteration on the part of a scribe who did not approve of the polytheistic overtones of the phrase ‘sons of God’.* Interestingly, it is known that the Jews believed there to be ***seventy*** nations on earth, so that the sons of God were accordingly also ***seventy*** in number. This emerges from the table of the nations in Genesis 10, where there are ***seventy*** nations, and from the later Jewish apocalyptic concept according to which there were ***seventy*** guardian angels of the nations (Targum Pseudo-Jonathon on Deut 32.8; 1 En. 89.59-77, 90.22-27). This view, which I have defended previously, seems eminently reasonable.
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*Finally, it is interesting to note that the Old Testament never refers to the heavenly court as ‘the sons of Yahweh’.* As we have seen above, apart from one instance of bene ‘elyon, we always find the ‘sons of God’, with words for God containing the letter s ‘l (bene ha ‘elohim, bene ‘elohim, bene ‘elim). *This finds a ready explanation in their origin in the sons of the Canaanite god El.*
Eventually, of course, the name El simply became a general word for ‘God’ in the Old Testament, and so it is found many times.
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day | Lehi's Library"*
If you hated God, you were not an atheist. Stop lying.
How could you have been an atheist if you hated god?
God bless him..... we all have these thoughts and so do I. Its only until God proves himself in my personal life in a subtle, yet undeniable way, that my perspective is set straight. I pray the same for him.
And how did that happen?
@@cygnusustus are you trolling?
Though my physical senses cannot see Him, I already know God exists logically, and I can feel Him in my spirit. Although still lacking a personal apparition, it is no good excuse for me to reject Jesus and miss out on all He has to offer. So why not make a step towards God in Faith.
@@williamrice3052 You believe you have a logical argument for the existence of God? Would love to hear it if so
@@thomasjefferson6334
Are you dodging?
I dont know how well it fits here, but to know, to feel, and to understand, are separate things.
Very well said. ❤
Great conversation two people just talking it out we need more of this
Most people don't understand the greatness and glory of God because they don't look "low" enough. If you woke up this morning, that is the first miracle of God working in your life. It's such a blessing.
Edit: I always fall victim to this weakness. I always want God to bless me according to my own ideas. Then God will do something in my life greater than I could have ever imagined and I feel so sorry for being so faithless. In the end, after I complain, sin, and lose hope, God shows up when I call to Him and He blesses me. His forgiveness is greater than my sin.
The issue of evil and divine hiddenness are two huge problems for all, not just for us, Christians. We try to give answers, we debate, we think, we pray - still, all our attempts are shallow and futile, and far from enough for the soul that is seeking and/or suffering.
God knows i was close a few times in my life to losing faith and abandoning God because i was totally dry in my spirit whatever i tried (begged Him), and it was an experience i wouldn't want to wish upon my enemies - to feel alone and as God either doesn't exist or that He doesn't care.
So unlike several of you, o mighty men of God who don't struggle and who mock Jon, i can't do that because my faith was never too strong as a result of not growing up in a Christian home and coming out of skepticism. I wasn't fortunate enough either like some of my friends to have powerful experiences with God. Let me correct myself - i surely did, but some of my friends' testimonies are on ANOTHER LEVEL! There are still times i feel dry and empty and i wish God to download His peace, joy, beauty, and warmth in my chest as He did before. I long for that so much! I remember that several years ago reading Delighting in God by Tozer was very helpful. I haven't experienced any warm presence of God in a long time - or at least i don't think i did. I still serve Him in all of my imperfections, and wonder often WHY doesn't He show up more often? WHAT is the reason He doesn't intervene more today like in the biblical times? WHY He doesn't prevent more baby rape, incest, or criminals butchering their victims? Why does He seem so distant and silent many times?
These may be the question i will go to the grave with. If my Father chooses not to answer these difficult questions for me, then it is what it is. I surely can't solve those questions by myself. I've listened to many apologists and theologians trying to answer the problems of theodicy and divine hiddenness, but NONE of them was satisfying.
So, unlike you who are so strong in your faith and belittle Jon, i can say honestly - i DO fully understand you, man! And i wish God so mightily manifests in your life to blow your socks off with His fire in your belly and with His delightful presence in your heart!
Thank you for this. I wish more people thought like you.
@@mustachemac5229 I am just transparent with how wired i am - i think too much and since i am also a very emotional guy (meaning: i have strong emotions, not that i cry often lol), i need God's love, presence, comfort so i can keep pushing this fight we call "life". I am not here to play a great man of God since i am not.
@@mustachemac5229 My questions and the fact i don't have blind faith have pushed me towards apologetics, but i am no expert. I delight in knowledge, and even more in God's presence :D
Well said. The Bible says draw closer to God and he will draw closer to you. A Christians ability to sense the presence of God, to walk in power is proportional to the revelation of God that he has. I know people don't like to hear this. But as one man once said "Faith is the currency of heaven." A lot of the times we miss Gods manifestations because we misuse or misunderstand concepts like faith. We misunderstand who God is, we misunderstand the concept of God.
I don't have the answer to some of those questions either about God intervening more especially when people do evil. One of my thoughts is that evil people will always find a way to do evil and God will not force them to do good.
Feelings are seldom correct. Faith in God, and His love for us, is so much more than emotionality. ✝️
My Grandpa use to say "We don't walk by feelings, but we walk by Faith" sometimes we're not going to feel God, it's in them times that our Faith has to kick in to remind us to keep on walking...
We don't based our faith on our natural perception of God, for if we did it wouldn't be Faith, but We walk by Faith and not by sight...
God should come down to earth walk amongst us and give us a book with instructions
Hahahaha 🥰
Best Comment Award
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Amazes me they think they know without asking, without reading, without contemplation if they have read.
We must open ourselves after all the above, to listen and wait.
I've had immediate answer that made me cry to be so amazingly answered.
Other times I have waited 30 years before I saw the answer to a question from long ago.
This is what's truly amazing when I see that answer our Holy Father reminds me of my question!!!
Hallelujah 🙌 Hosanna
Come Lord Jesus our Christ ✝️
Yeah, would be great if that actually happened
Yes, an almighty God could make appear on our bedside tables a personalized and unique book for each one of us.
It's amazing that someone who was called a Christian leader knows so little about Christianity.
As compared to who? You or Frank?
That's a no true Scotsman fallacy, bro.
@@mustachemac5229 nope, bro is asking very basic questions, bro.
Who? Turek?
@@cygnusustus the former Christian leader
@@mustachemac5229 You can rhetorically throw around that fallacy all nilly-dilly if you want, but there is such thing as a true Christian and an unconverted nominal Christian. To deny this is to deny that there is such thing as a "Christian". A "Christian" must meet certain prerequisites in order to be a Christian. If those prerequisites are not met, they are not a Christian.
Picture a guy saying that a square is not a circle.
Now picture yourself saying "that's a no true Scotsman fallacy, bro"
The struggle is real you can see on Jon's face lets all be loving!lets gives answers to those who ask the reason of our hope!lets keep praying for him too!
Loved the honest conversation. I might add that we have a very short time without God, and the people that choose to, will be with him forever. This is your "free will time" for lack of better words.
Seek God and His will daily. He will talk to you differently than we communicate. It is our faith responsibility to seek Him daily. His ways are not our ways because He’s GOD.
Matthew 6:33
John 15:4-5
Luke 10:27 💝
Have you tried seeking Zeus? Or Thor?
@@Bc232klm You being a fool did you and did you find them.
I see God when I read His word. “Draw near to me and I will draw near to you.” James 4:8
The book of John displays His character.
No you don't. You _imagine_ seeing god. At least be honest with yourself.
@@theoskeptomai2535 “skeptomai” God is real and soon your rejection of him will fulfill the next phase in prophecy, God bless
@@theoskeptomai2535 how do you know what he sees? He could be speaking philosophy or poetry. You never bothered to ask , you assumed with opinion tsk tsk.
@@japexican007 Please define your meaning of 'real' because I certainly don't understand how this god can be observed.
@@theoskeptomai2535 “observed” or lack thereof doesn’t equal real, so when did you observe gravity? As far as I know you can only observe the effects of gravity just as I’ve observed the effects of God in my life, but hey why would I expect someone who denies God to accept God?
Divine hiddenness is a vapor. It vanishes the moment you realize that God is the one “in whom you live and move and have your being”. He “shows up” every moment of every day in the fact that you have life and breath. The reason we even contemplate hiddenness is that we “take for granted” our existence… we assume it.
Nice video Frank, glad to hear from him again. Keep up the good work.
He wants us to seek Him! ❤️ He is a faithful and loving father if we will open our hearts to him! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I've been seeking for decades now, still not a single thing that warrants believing that any gods exist.
How about the breath in your lungs? The beauty of nature all around us, the vastness and complexity of the universe. God shows us all in a million different ways who he is. I would encourage you to read the New Testament, but before you start, humbly ask God to make himself known to you. 🤷🏻♀️ ❤️
@@dinape
How does air, nature, or the universe warrent believing that a god exists?
Do you have any evidence to show that a god was responsible for any of those things?
I've read the bible, and asked god exactly that multiple times now. Still nothing.
Great question and this TH-cam channel is a great resource for finding those answers. I’m not a great apologist myself, but like Dr. Turek, I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist. I pray that the Lord will show you who he truly is. 🙏🏼
@@dinape
This channel seems very lacking in the answers department.
And it doesn't take any faith at all to be an atheist. All atheism is is not believing that a god exists. No faith required.
Ecclesiastes 3:11
"He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work that God has done from beginning to end. "
Praise God. Thank you Frank. Another amazing answer to another doubting Thomas. May God continue to use you and bless you in Jesus name. 💕
Tough spot to be in. In fact it can be very uncomfortable, and for some, create at some level of insecurity. Most likely because there’s so much at risk like our identity to where we end up after this life. I have to think all of us that choose Christ has this experience at some level, perhaps multiple times.
I believe Jesus really hits on this in Matt 24 especially v13.
Lord help us through our struggle to have a healthy and right perspective on your reality so we can relate to you as you intended.
God could become unhidden and present itself in such a way that is sufficient for everyone. He did it for Adam/Eve/Cain/Abel; they had contact with God which didn't effect their ability to have free will.
He did it as Jesus as well. And God will come back again. But are you looking at to say God is wrong for not coming when you want him to come?
Exactly. And then you also have the people who do say they have a relationship with him so they do know right from wrong cuz they can just ask him, but then those people do not agree with each other so how could this all be from the same source?
@@cameronclark447 No, I was just asking why God can't present itself very similar to the way he did for Adam and Eve or even as Jesus..
Clearly God could if he wanted to, so why doesn't he?
@@macmac1022 Yes, it is rather frustrating.
@@mustachemac5229 *"...so why doesn't He?"*
You don't think the answer could be what Turek said? Because God doesn't want a King/servant kind of relationship, rather a trust & faith kind of relationship?
I agree with Jon Stiengard in this video.
This is what I told my sister, once we see God, we lose our "free-will", because now all doubts are gone and you know it's allll true, and you'll be inclined to be subservient to this almighty being,
Personally, I think there is a necessity for Faith in a relationship with God (as well as any to some degree but my main point is). God, as an infinite being, is and to some extend will always be beyond our total comprehension. Intellectually understanding him is impossible. However, faith enables us to bridge the gap so to speak and have a relationship with him. So, on some level, it is better that he teach us to foster and develop faith, because our ability to observe and understand will never get us anywhere close.
In addition, if you look at the stories of say, Esther and Ruth, they both give a picture of how God typically interacts in our daily lives. The smallest details and strange coincidences that ultimately lead to good.
in fact there is no such thing as coincidences :-) ... it is the intervention/plans of God ... so many in each believer's life.
This man looks so on the brink to coming back to God....I pray that He knows God exists and that He loves him dearly.
No he doesn't lol. Once you realize it's all made up by men and there's no reason to believe any religion, it's pretty freeing.
You know no god exists, but you enjoy playing with your imaginary friend too much to give it up.
@@Bc232klm how intellectually dishonest can you be? "Made up by men"? The Bible wasn't written in fairy tale? The literary genre in which it was written was HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. Quite literally what the men say they wrote down, and what those men claimed to have seen were also put to death for claiming it--namely seeing Christ risen from the dead. I suggest you pray to the almighty God and ask for your eyes to be opened.
Psalm 34 says "Taste and see the LORD is good"
We have to attune our senses to God, just like we need to taste food to experience it.
The physical world constantly draws us to only believe what we can see or touch. We are part spirit and part flesh. We need to begin living out our spiritual existence at least as much as we spend in the physical.
I chalk this up to “another person wanting a sure thing” when it comes to GOD.
It’s tough, and we have all struggled, but you have to persevere.
This reminds me of a book - "Dark night of the soul" by St. John of the Cross. He writes about it in a beautiful way, and I think it would help anyone who struggles with this period of doubt, depression and spiritual crisis. Such periods are meant to help us grow and mature spiritually. Just like a mother breastfeeding her child, God is close to us when we become His sons and daughters. But there comes a time when a mother stops breastfeeding her child, when the child has to learn to chew and eat food. The child might feel like the mother is cold, distant, even absent, but she is always there, lovingly guiding and teaching. As a parent, this helped me understand our relationship to God better and despite struggling with severe depression, it helped me get through some really hard periods in life. One of my children has epilepsy and autism, and we discovered this right after becoming a Christian. I struggled a lot with doubt, assurance of salvation and depression. I still do, but God is there, and His love for us is real.
If you don’t feel God it’s because you reject God or don’t put your trust in God.
I agree. He is choosing to not want God, he's just finding lame excuses to disprove God and remain in sin. The Bible says seek Me and you'll find [me...] I genuinely feel like this guy is not really seeking the Lord. Pray for him...
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 nope, this is just the atheist exhibiting the argument from disbelief.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 if you never put your trust in God, of course you’re never going to feel god…..because you REFUSE to seek God. Why is that so hard to understand?
You don’t seem to understand the difference between belief “that” and belief “in”.
Why does the Bible talk about Faith?
Because there’s two kinds of Faith. There’s “belief that” and there’s “belief in”.
Belief that is getting evidence that God exists, or that Jesus rose from the dead, or that the Bible’s telling the truth about these things. But all the belief that in the world won’t get your moral transgressions forgiven.
For that you got to go from belief that to belief in. There’s a difference. Belief that is just of the head. Belief in is not only of the head but it’s of the heart. In other words, you can know that something’s true but not accept it, right?
In fact, James, the half brother of Jesus who wrote that little book in the New Testament called…*take a guess*.
James said even the demons believe “that” God exists, but they tremble. You know if God exists and demons exist (and they do), that the demons know that God exists better than we do. They’re in the spiritual realm, but they don’t trust “in him”. Why don’t they want to trust in him? Because there’s a difference between belief that and belief in.
In fact, we know this in relationships don’t we? When I first met my wife 10 years ago, I got evidence that she would be a good wife. But all the evidence in the world didn’t make her my wife. I had to take a step of trust “in” her to ask her to be my wife. That’s the difference between belief that and belief in.
Most of the time when the Bible’s talking about Faith, it’s talking about the second kind, belief in. After you know “that” it’s true, trust “in” it.
In fact, John, at the end of his biography, the second to last chapter he puts these two things into one sentence. Where he says something like, “these things were written down so you may know “that” Jesus is the savior, and by believing “in” him you may have faith in his name.”
Look, if you don’t want to go from belief that to belief in, you don’t have to. God’s not going to force you into Heaven against your will. So he respects your choice.
God is a feeling, a sensation, a vibration, produced by your nervous system.
The life force in all living things is God.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all"
Here is what prevents the Bubonic Plague from killing people, from Wikipedia;
(Bubonic plague outbreaks are controlled by pest control and modern sanitation techniques.)
In the years 1347 to 1351, 1/3rd of the population of Europe died to the Bubonic Plague.
Parents would have been praying to Jesus of Christianity to protect themselves and their family from harm and children would have prayed to Jesus of Christianity to protect their parents from harm. Did Jesus tell them how to prevent Bubonic Plague when they were praying on how to protect themselves from harm? 1/3rd of the population died. The reason we don't usually have Bubonic Plague around is because of the modern sanitation and pest control. Was that to much for Jesus to explain to the Christians in Europe?
Thomas Jefferson did not think that Christianity was true and put into the Declaration of Independence of the United States the words, "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." What that means is to exclude the laws of the Supernatural Gods from the ancient world.
Where is Jesus of Christianity visible? In the same places that other Supernatural Superheroes are visible, in the stories written about them. like Superman, Spiderman, Thor, Luke Skywalker, etc.. All bring people joy. But are they true? The Jesus of Christianity Supernatural Superhero gives you life in a Supernatural living place. But like Superman and Superman stories, just because you get joy from the stories does not mean they are true.
The fear of God is not the beginning of wisdom. The fear of God is the death of wisdom. Skepticism and doubt lead to study and investigation, and investigation is the beginning of wisdom. Clarence Darrow 1857 - 1938
SALVATION IS ONLY IN YESHUA HAMASHIACH 🙌
There is no salvation. Live your life to the fullest and leave the world a better place for those who follow you.
@@cygnusustus when I want or need your opinion I will ask for it
@@cygnusustus a typical response given by someone who isn’t looking for God; this message proves it
@@larzman651
When I want or need your cowardice and dishonesty I'll ask you for your opinion.
@@japexican007
A typical response from someone who doesn't like the fact that someone else doesn't believe in his imaginary friend.
To me, what Frank said makes perfect sense... If God showed himself to us all the time, it's more of a King/servant relationship rather than a relationship of trust & faith.
I genuinely don't understand why this idea/concept/belief/whichever is so hard to get on board with.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 He does in creation...we see the living things everyday..but because we don't study is words deeply we overlook everything including our selves that God made.
The bible says our very spirit would grow feeble because of God...
Read Noah story...something is there about God
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 *"But if He's all powerful, He could make a pretty good statement He exists."*
Well, first, I'd say there are many that believe He *has* shown He exists by things like creation of the world, your consciousness, Christianity, & more.
But, secondly: what if He doesn't want to? What if He wants it this way?
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 I said something is there about God..
You never cared about the person of God..you went into a deep debate away from the point..to suit your narrative.
God cannot see God..simple..because you make rain..you allow it to fall...and you know everything about this earth.
How can anybody proof God to you.
Satisfy yourself with what you have..don't bother wanting proof of God..it is going to be very hard for you...
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 No you are taking things out of content..God does not want anybody in hell..if someone goes to hell..it is there choice when and if it happens.
There is this big creation..do you believe God sees you.
Yes Judah but now under christ ,,christians..read some more ...when you look to others you have confusion...look to God in is words.
You don't know me..but we communicate the same with God.
You trust my words by responding..same with God
I am so upset when people try to erase Noah's lives ..with their thoughts and they were not there.
Yes..i was not either but i read and i believe..it all happen.
God showed him how to make the ark..and everything you deemed impossible was done by God..
Thank You, Frank, for Staying Strong!!
Perhaps the most sensible video I've seen from you Frank because you showed some openness and some vulnerability - for example when you said the hiddenness objection was a good one. Apologists come across as overly confident and full of hubris by acting as if all objections to the faith are puerile, and easily addressed. While this may provide believers with confidence, I'll suggest when they leave their bubble to engage the world, they struggle because they do find the objections to the faith to be very reasonable, and often well argued.
By demonstrating vulnerability, you are giving your followers permission to discuss these problems with outsiders on a level playing field. I think it a far, far safer way to teach apologetics than by encouraging believers to be overly confident.
Amen. Well said.
"Why hasn't GOD shown up more?"
He has, he does, and he will.
But in order to see GOD's work in the world and in our lives, one MUST have a Biblical Worldview, otherwise their eyes are obscured by the veil that hides GOD from us, which can only be lifted by those who turn to, and (with faith) trust in GOD and not in our own (often misguided and limited) understanding. (Micah 7:5-7; Psalms 37:3-5, & 56:3; Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:7)
GOD is outside of time we are confined to linear time, all that needs to be done, has been done, life (and by extension the universe/creation) is unfolding as it was meant to in accordance with the will of GOD, which is why we need not fear in what is to come, but instead truth in GOD.
“He who is of GOD hears GOD’s words; therefore, you do not hear, because you are not of GOD.” (1 John 4:5-6)
“They are of the world. Therefore, they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of GOD. He who knows GOD hears us; he who is not of GOD does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.” (John 8:47)
“But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of GOD, should shine on them. For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. For it is the GOD who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of GOD in the face of Jesus Christ.” (2 Corinthians 4:3-6)
“He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.” (John 12:40)
“To the pure all things are pure but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscious are defiled. They profess to know God but in works they deny him being abominable disobedient and disqualified for every good work.” (Titus 1:15-16)
“Nevertheless, when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.” (2 Corinthians 3:16)
"Jesus also told us, “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me.” (John 10:27-28)
Even the devil tried to temp Jesus to prove he was the son of GOD and that GOD exist, and Jesus responded in the way that we need to do to those who want (and demand) more proof than what there already is in all creation, "You shall NOT temp the Lord your GOD." (Matthew 4:7; Mark 1:12-13; Luke 4:12)
One who requires proof, often are placing themselves in the position of authority that belong only to GOD. GOD does NOT need to prove anything to us, his creation, but we do need to prove to him (for ourselves and own benefit) that we believe, trust, and therefore love him.
I have seen (in my own life and in the life of others, as well as throughout history and in nature) the miracles of GOD's involvement, they are all the proof I need to trust in, believe in, and love my GOD, which I could not have been able to do without the aid from the Holy Spirit, and the guidance of Jesus Christ by setting the example of us to follow.
One need only look up to the heavens, at the night sky, looking at all of the stars and accept the realization that as immense and endless space and the universe is, it reflects GOD, but only a fracture of his glory, so as awesome as GOD's creations are (including ourselves) they all still pale in comparison of the one that created it and us. Glory to GOD in the highest!
Joshua 24:15
John 8:32 & 14:6
Psalms 28:7, 34, & 40
Strength and Honor!
You don't need to see God to believe in Him, however belief in God in most cases comes as a result of revelation.
Have you received a revelation?
@@theoskeptomai2535 yes, the revelation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@cisuminocisumino3250 And how did this revelation appear to you?
@@theoskeptomai2535 it didn't happen overnight. It took time for me to know God personally. I received the Lord after being preached to about salvation. I don't know why, but there was a strong conviction in my heart after hearing the preachers message, something was prompting me to change my ways. I decided to follow that conviction, and was led into the sinner's prayer and gave my life to Christ.
In my journey as a Christian I encountered manifestations of the gifts of the spirit as well as people that were demon possessed, etc, etc. This was all new to me, I thought that God didn't perform miracles any more, I thought the idea of "spiritual" were merely activities that took place in some invisible dimension that could never be seen by human eyes or manifested physically. I thought God only spoke through the Bible today. The demonstrations of the realities of the spirit further cemented my faith in Christ. It was clear to me that there are forces/entities that are beyond our comprehension.
@@cisuminocisumino3250 Thsnks for sharing.
I understand his question . Often the response that often we dont know why God does or doesnt do what he does simply doesnt move us along. I would think even , God himself would realise our frustration. I completely understand this type of doubt because it fits our resoning process.
I think an important thing to point out is the fact that you can conclude from common knowledge that you have an earthly Father.
1. It takes a man and a woman to make another human.
2. If you are a human, you were made by a man and a woman and thus have a Father and Mother.
You’ll never question whether you have an earthly Father. By looking at facts, you’ll come to the conclusion that you do have an earthly Father.
Its the same thing with God. Look at the facts and you’ll come to the conclusion that there is a God. The question then becomes which God has the most evidence for being the true God? We know that that is Jesus Christ.
Edit: Just watched the rest of the video and heard Frank say something similar. A great point to consider and ponder for sure! 😄
1) God does not want us to be "nonchalant" in our relationship to him, which would be the case if EVERY PERSON could look at Him with their biological eyes. God does not want us to grovel before Him, like a puppy dog before its master, which would happen if we had no choice but to be enthralled with Him due to physically seeing Him. This is NOT part of His plan, since this would eliminate faith, which He wants us to live by, as we "diligently seek Him & His will, and it is His plan that "the JUST shall live by faith".
2) Also, since God is not far from any of us, He wants us to diligently seek to know Him intimately, through study of His word i.e. Scripture. In Acts 17:27 it says "That they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might (grope after him), / "feel after Him, though he is not far from every one of us";
Very important issue.
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Which god? Zeus? Zoroaster?
I understand where he is coming from, I hope people aren't bashing him outright. It's doesn't sound like he hates the idea of God, he just has come to find it hard to believe. The question is what has led him there? If it's solely feeling, a personal tragedy, midlife crisis? The bible is a perfect evocation of what makes us human and why we need help. It describes terrible situations and horrible outcome. I think there is a book where you don't even hear anything about God at all in there.
But for a Christian who truly believes in the Word, yet still feel conflicted, there are two options at the end of the day: you either believe it and trust Him through it all, even the horrible times, or you reject it and live in hopelessness knowing you know it is true, but you refuse to accept Him as God because of how He does things.
I appreciate your call for respect from all parties, but you don't seem to be fairly representing the situation. For example, finding it hard to believe does not have to be rooted in emotion or tragedy, but rather an evaluation of one's faith and finding one can no longer see any convincing reason to believe.
this stems from a very bad "church" system who favours entertainment over true solid teachings. If he was a worship leader in a Pop/rock and roll "so called church" what can we expect? in a previous video he said he stopped believing because there is so much evil in the world. But a believer who has studied the Bible would know evil is to be expected, and it's gonna get worse. Those mega churches just create false converts/ weak believers who feed off entertainment and false spiritual experiences. But when they ask themselves important and basic questions they don't have the answers, and then fall away.
Put Paul Washer 3 weeks in a row in one of those mega churches and see how many of the "audience" will stay after the third time. Most will say "oh.. i thought being a christian means listening to loud music and bounce around in ecstasy". i'm out!!!" Also Jesus did the same: after feeding the 5000 thousands He gave them a hard teaching and they all left, because they were there just for the nice parables/stories and food (especially).
You mean the book of Esther? in a way He is there, Esther asks everyone to fast and pray for three days (to whom?). Also Mordecai grieves in sackcloth and ashes... and prays continuously (to whom?) :-)
>The bible is a perfect evocation of what makes us human and why we need help.
No, not at all. It's a description of a specific people at a specific time. They were bronze age savages, their behaviors and beliefs frankly abhorrent to modern western morality.
Pray for his heart to be softened and that he will choose to see and understand on a level where God is present in his life. At times like this, it is not by going away from God but to seek Him instead that would help..
praise the only true living LORD and GOD bless you all glory be to the HOLY TRINITY forever and ever amen 💖✝✝✝...
What has that guy in the interview done to draw near to God? Does skepticism show that? To me it shows you’re looking for an excuse to reject him
The guy in the video drew near to reality.
@@cygnusustus his own reality aka God gives you to your own delusion so you can freely reject him, you just gave another reason how people such as yourself fulfill prophecy, another reason to help me draw near to God, thank you
@@japexican007
I accept your concession that you cannot defend your faith.
Thanks again for showing the rationality of atheism.
@@cygnusustus Unfortunately Japexican will forever be a slave to Hebrew mythology.
@@ancientfiction5244
He lacks not only the reasoning skills to think for himself, but also the desire to have them.
I watched Jon in a discussion with Sean McDowell when he initially left the faith and in was quite apparent he grew up in a church environment where the Gospel wasn't really preached. His reaction to some basic tenants of the faith Sean brought up was crazy how he was like, "Hmm...I'll have to think about that". I was thinking, Wow, this guy needs a Bible study away from his feel good church.
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Amen 🙏 thank you God for clearing my doubts with In a day. PRAISE THE LORD
Even then, I’ve seen God time and again when I pray and when He performs miracles before my very eyes because I asked God for them. God wants you to know Him and have faith that He is real and that He wants us to feel His presence. God also doesn’t want us to rely on feelings, but have faith that He is there and that He is good. If you feel that God isn’t present in your life, it’s most likely because you don’t give God any time. In that sense, you’re not in God’s life, if that makes sense. I’ve been through that a lot where I give God no time and then blame Him for it. If we turn our face to God, we will never see Him. If we humble ourselves before God and just talk to Him and know that He is listening, then we WILL see Him
Jon you're forgetting who's
God , he speaks to you when ever you open your bible, you also forgot Avery important things
We live on GOD'S earth 🌎
When ever we see a tree we see God or look at the
Space and the sun and the
Moon we see God,sir to ask were is God that's mean you're looking with your physical eyes 👀 and
Not in your spiritual eyes,
You should also remember no one can see
God in his glory and survive , God is not for our
Convenient but we're on Earth for his Convenient,
He gave you free will to find him and the bible is
The proof for his 🌴 existence and for his creations, ☦️🕊👍🙏
The air we breathe what
Stopping it from escaping
It's an open sky and you don't see God ,
He's not forgetting anything. There's no reason to believe the god you arbitrarily chose is both real and created everything. How ridiculous.
@@Bc232klm you never put
Your pearls in front Of the pigs 🐖 unless they Tremble on them, that's
You devil worshipper he gave you free will to choose were you belong
To him or to your father the devil,
“The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, There is none that doeth good.”
Psalm 14:1 KJV
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“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” Romans 3:19-26 KJV
“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9-13 KJV
The full quotes Psalms 14 because he can't defend his faith.
@@cygnusustus that was a defense of my faith thank you for fulfilling psalms and leading me closer to my living God
FYI, I deleted my comment from earlier in order to delete the long thread of argumentation, which served no good purpose. Your attitude that people who pray sincerely and yet still do not discern God’s reply are “at war” with God is presumptuous. In fact, people like you drive away true seekers with your judgmental ad hominem attacks. You make me not want to be a Christian.
@@cygnusustus the fool trolls in every comment section 🙄
If you truly do need help, and you call out to yhwh, and he ignores you, turn away. There are gods that will come if you cry out for help. The Abrahamic slave cults aren't all there is.
Venerable Fulton Sheen once said "In almost 9 cases out of 10, those who have once had the Faith but now reject it, or claim that is does not make sense, are driven not by reasoning but by the way they are living."
GOD has shown up in our lives throughout generation...the prophet...vision..then is son in the physical..we now live by faith..
A book full of clear y fictional stories claims that god has shown himself.
Now the gullible and foolish blindly believe that book instead of thinking rationally.
@@somerandom3247 What is thinking rational?..could you if you did not have a brain...one you did not make?
It is not just a book..what is wrong with you people..you been to schools...you have never once disclaims those books you have gotten under control..and the only book you get freely , you people have a problem with..ROBOTS!
@@somerandom3247 True! It's indoctrination at it's finest.
Sorry Frank. I don't have enough faith to be a Christian
I have too much integrity to become a Christian.
@@cygnusustus
When your moral foundation is based upon the fact its subjective, how do you claim to have "integrity"?
@@TomMichael5678 Who says Cygnus believes in an objective morality?
@@TomMichael5678 I "laugh my face off" when I hear christians like you criticize our agnostic "subjective morality" when you subjectively assume that your christian moral standard is the correct one.
@@kinggenius930
How does one have "integrity" *without* an absolute set of moral principles?
“i wanna experience that.”
proceeds to agree on God’s hiddenness and explains how he lives apart from God. 🤦🏾♂️
There are many former Christians who for years, even decades, wholeheartedly believed in God, sought God's guidance and his presence, but failed to find it. There are other former Christians who for years, even decades, who once believed they received God's guidance and experienced his presence to later conclude that it is more reasonable that it was their mind just manifesting what they wanted to believe at the time.
It would seem you have never known what it is to truly doubt the existence claim for the god you believe in. One cannot just conjure up faith in God when they cannot even believe he is real in the first place.
@@Chidds that's rich coming from a person whose reality is based on their own "feeling." LOL
@@jpsatre No we believe in God because of what we’ve seen. You’ve never met a Christian who can heal people?
Well now you have. Jesus is alive and well. Seek God and discover truth.
You have no idea the power God has given you. You can heal people, cure cancer, and help people be set free from anxiety and depression. WAKE UP brother! Seek God’s face and take up your calling! God answers just pray to him! Do not be bitter or angry towards God humble yourself before him and ask your questions!
He answers me, so that means he will answer you! He uses me to heal people, which means he will use you! People need you right now!
@@ChiddsI completely agree. How can we come up faith in something we don't believe?.
@@jpsatre
What is rich? And where did I say anything about reality being based on feelings.
I can't ever deny God even if I want to..
I haven’t met anyone who doesn’t feel God. I have met many people who have adopted ego pleasing habits to push God away and have trained themselves to associate anything associated with God as discomfort.
Almost made a whole video without a god of the gaps fallacy, but near the end that same old script comes out again.
I don't buy it! This guy used to be a Christian leader and he acts as if he's never cracked open a Bible in his life! Use your discernment. This guy is in sin and he wants to remain in sin. He's choosing his flesh over faith. The Bible says if you seek God you will find Him... It seems like he genuinely does not want to seek God. He's just coming up with lame excuses to remain in his sin. I think there's something going on in his life that he's always struggled with, and now, he's accepted it. He chooses to be rebellious. Pray for him. He needs to get his life right before it's too late. This world isn't worth going to hell for.
Why do you care what the Bible says? why not the quaran or any other book? All the same level of evidence and reason to believe they're true. Is it because your parents were Christian, or was it because it was the majority religion in your country. I know it was one of those two.
You're going to thousands of other hells for not believing in their gods!
problem here is we don't live by are feelings if you do it's always trouble. Praying for that little guy who would ask me guitar equipment questions after Sunday morning worship 🙏
Trust me when I say it is for our own good God has hidden himself from us.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS FEELING GOD 😂. Thanks to God for The Bible so Christian Apologists can upload these videos. Brother Frank Turek and Cross Examined ministry always do good work in their efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
What are you talking about? The Bible is filled with scripture about feeling God's presence.
More and more you prove you're not even close to an apologist, Justin. 🤦♂️
you can't feel God? oh wow. so all the fire, tingling of my body, joy, etc was just my imagination and emotionalism? oh wow... please, quit your apologist "job" until you get serious
@@TheNikolinho This is how Justin works.
Justin might type a sentence or two about the video but then copies and pastes that same long rant about being an apologist, blah, blah, blah.
Never once actually discussing anything in it. It's rather pathetic.
Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
God has his reasons
God is Spirit, not a material being. When I first became a Christian, I kept praying "God be with me, God be with me". I went to church not long after that and God spoke to me through a fellow believer that had a closer relationship with God and he told me that God said "I am with you." Confirmation right there. This has happened to me other times and with other prayers.
Luke 17:20-21: Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”
John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
My dad wanted to be apart of my life but because of my wrong doings he gave me space to figure it out and come back to him to have a relationship with him again. He will not force you brother.
I needed this. Thx
My dad exist and I know he exist. He was in the household with me but he wasn't present!
There were no conversations, there were no needs being met. He literally only existed. He has no physical limitations or disabilities that would have kept him from doing so, he does suffer from mental disabilities though and that kept him from being present.
Whereas my Father (God) exist and is very present! He speaks with me through His word, confirms things that I need through His word, and daily provides through many different means. But it requires relationship, something that my earthly dad wasn't/isn't able to provide because of his mental disability.
How am I supposed to distinguish between your existence and that of my Hindu friend who claims that Ganesh comforts them and speaks to them through signs that they encounter throughout their day.
We will often find in others and in other things when we are deprived of certain childhood connections. This is why boys from fatherless households have a tendency to gravitate towards gangs. They can believe they have found a father figure in older men who run those gangs.
If it brings you comfort, that is fantastic for you. That doesn't make it reality for everyone else though.
God is NOT hiding from any one. God is Knocking on the door of your heart. Where your heart is so are your treasures so says on Matt 6:21. Meaning if your heart is not in God, you won't find him. Even when he is right in front of you. With anyone focusing on God 100%, you WILL find God. That's his promise.
These are legit questions!
What helped me feel God was unlearning the lies of mainstream Christianity and following the laws and feasts instead of Man’s doctrine and pagan holidays.
If you want to know about God, seek him and keep seeking him.
An example would be having an entire life fast for 7 days and pray and seek his word and get close to him and do this for him and see what happens.
He has done amazing things for me with this, and it's changed my perspective.
A life fast is leaving all the pleasures of your life you can, not just food, but drink, music, internet, anything that you use for pleasure on Earth. Get rid of it for 7 days and do this for God with your entire being and see what happens.
Again, I won't go into detail here, but I have seen some spiritual stuff that can't be explained.
It not your fault if you’re not good but it is your responsibility for yourself
Very intriguing and interesting topic!!
My response to this would be to just look at creation prefall in Genesis where we WERE in relationship with God and He walked with Adam in the garden in the cool of the day and they talked to each other just like these guys are talking now...
So its funny that that’s exactly what he just alluded to that was missing! Why? Because Eternity and this living breathing relationship with our maker is what’s written deep in our conscience and heart. We know it intuitively
God does promise we will return to that type of relationship too-where He is literally walking physically next to us too again just like in the garden if Eden.
I don't feel God's presence either, I still believe. What should I do to feel?
I have no patience for people that think God should play by their rules. If you seek God you find Him. If you open your eyes you see the physical affect of God.
I've heard it this way, and it has never failed me. The bible is the inerrant word of God. Divinely inspired. Every truth in it perfectly true. So, if we are not experiencing in our lives the things the bible says we SHOULD be experiencing...its not a God issue. It's an US issue.
Without FAITH, it is IMPOSSIBLE to Please HIM.
Faith is essential and God count it as righteousness because it is the hardest thing to have. Believing God is with you when you can't feel him around you is righteousness.
When you're still young in faith, God will give you many signs and miracles. Before you call him he will be there. You'll have more reasons to believe when your faith is new. But as you grow in the faith, God will become less visible to you. You will feel forgotten and neglected (it happened to Jesus too when His time came to die for the sins of the world - He prayed many times but didn't receive any response from God the Father).
This period of time in our life, is when God put us through darkness to test whether we believe what He has promised us in the light. The darkness will be strong and you will not feel God around.
When I was still young in the faith I had many gifts. I dream dreams, I could see future events in France and my prayers answered more quickly. And it wasn't because I was holy. It was just a free Gift. I even asked God casually in prayer one night to reveal himself to me and he did that same night. He came to me in a clear dream.
In that dream, I knew that it was night and there was neither moon nor sun that shined any light, however the night was brighter than the day.
The environment was so bright that if we compare the brightest white we have in this world to that brightness from my dream, it would be darker than the darkest black. Till this day I still can't comprehend that kind of brightness. It's a kind of brightness that you can't compare to anything in this world.
In that dream, my door and my windows were wide open and the brightness was approaching my door post and it was so scary because the brightness is the kind of brightness that would blind you however that brightness didn't hurt my eyes and I could see just fine, but it was still terrifying as it approached me because I didn't know what was causing the brightness. As the brightness continued to approach my door post it became even more brighter and I could finally see the tip of a white garment. It was the garment that was radiating the light that made the night even brighter than the day as we know it in our world. I was so afraid to see the face of who was wearing that white garment that I woke up from my sleep.
Immediately I woke up, the spirit of God said to my spirit. *You asked to see me, and now you have seen me*
That whole night I could no longer sleep because even though it appeared to me as a dream, I saw signs that suggest that it wasn't really a dream it was just made to look like a dream to me and that got me scared even more.
That experience sealed my faith in God and since I have no longer asked to see God ~ but rather to witness his power ~.
However, as I grew in faith. As my confidence grew that God truly exists all my gifts slowly fade away. Many fasting and prayers and they still are not back. Although, I still have prophetic dreams but it's not as often as before.
So, as I began to question God as to why the more I grew closer to him the more the evidence for him seems to disappear. The spirit of God has been ministering to me that, when you're still a baby in the faith, God will show you many things, give you many testimonies and miracles. However, these things are only to sustain you for when your faith will be trailed.
God will test you to see whether you'll only believe in him when you hear him and see him or whether you'll use the testimonies God gave you in the light to conquer the darkness that you're being made to face.
Brethren, even when it doesn't seem like God is around, always profess that he's with you because his word says he'll never leave you. This is the righteousness that God is looking for. How much you'll trust him even when it seems he doesn't ear or see you.
It happened to all of the prophets and apostles. It must happen to everyone of us too.
Just because I know this doesn't mean I'm not struggling with it. It is a massage that God wants you to hear.
I pray God give us all the strength to know Him enough. Amen!
*_FIRST OF ALL... God spoke with and walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and they still sinned against Him_* . That's not what's necessary. It's necessary that we *_"Be still and know that He is God"_* ....and when we are humbled before Him in love and surrender, obedience and trust, He enters Our Lives.
I experience God alive and well, powerful and operative in my life every single day....
Another response to this is that Jesus said He would not leave us like orphans, and that He would send a comforter. One of the benefits of becoming an hier of the Kingdom of God is that God (the holy spirit) dwells in us to comfort us, to guide us, to empower us, and sanctify us. God has not left us alone but has by sufficient means made a way for us to be close to Him at all times.
God is the Father, but also the master of the universe. I haven't met the president of the United States. I haven't met my governor, or my mayor, or even the CEO of the company I work for.
Generally speaking I've found over the years that we control how close we are to God's presence. He's always there waiting for us and wanting to be close to us but he's not going to force us to do that. Seek God and you will find him. I would say that there's more going on behind the scenes than he is letting on. Generally when people start saying this stuff it's because they want some sin in their lives (they want to be gay, not be committed to their spouse, have premarital sex, use drugs etc..).
I like hearing these topics
Wouldn't it be more accurate to ask - regarding the father/son analogy - _who_ the father was? Not that he didn't have a father, but rather the he didn't know which man it was? No one would question their father having existed, they would simply question who it was.
God is (active) in our lives every day.
We just are not LOOKING FOR that activity.
Granting us life (each breath, each heart beat), conveniences, abilities all come from God. Then when we loose something, like health, we only begin to realize what God is doing (IF) we are looking FOR it.
When we 'do our own thing' we simply do not recognize what God is doing during the day, for us.
The Hindu God, Vishnu, is (active) in our lives every day.
We just are not LOOKING FOR that activity.
Granting us life (each breath, each heart beat), conveniences, abilities all come from Vishnu. Then when we loose something, like health, we only begin to realize what Vishnu is doing (IF) we are looking FOR it.
When we 'do our own thing' we simply do not recognize what Vishnu is doing during the day, for us.
The Pixie God, Ruhu, is (active) in our lives every day.
We just are not LOOKING FOR that activity.
Granting us life (each breath, each heart beat), conveniences, abilities all come from Ruhu. Then when we loose something, like health, we only begin to realize what Ruhu is doing (IF) we are looking FOR it.
When we 'do our own thing' we simply do not recognize what Ruhu is doing during the day, for us.
The Pink Unicorn God, Thuman, is (active) in our lives every day.
We just are not LOOKING FOR that activity.
Granting us life (each breath, each heart beat), conveniences, abilities all come from Thuman. Then when we loose something, like health, we only begin to realize what Thuman is doing (IF) we are looking FOR it.
When we 'do our own thing' we simply do not recognize what Thuman is doing during the day, for us.
The Teacher is ALWAYS quiet during the test.
John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
His handy work is in all of creation and all that has been created.
Faith is the substance of things we hope for and the evidence of things that we can't see.
So, Frank’s response is that maybe god works in mysterious way, and look at all the other tenuous arguments we have?