The Story of Bagua Zhang Ep. 02 - Dong Haichuan Part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2022
- The story of Bagua Zhang was produced and released domestically in China in around the year 2020. It features four lengthy episodes covering different topics regarding the history and practice of Bagua Zhang along with various interviews.
I have translated, subtitled and dubbed this series and have also added relevant information for the international community to enjoy. I will be releasing it in smaller episodes for ease of viewing. Following this, I have some follow up interviews and videos that I will film and produce regarding the topic of Bagua Zhang and its history.
Dong Haichuan Part 2
In this episode we look at Dong Haichuan's art of Bagua Zhang itself.
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Thank you Mu Shin for the excellent story of Baqua Zhang Dong Haichuan. I am a disciple of Wong Jackman (Tai Chi and Hsing-i) since 1973 and his lineage led me to Su Lutang (Baqua) in 2020.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for your hard work, bringing martial arts history to the world. I'm from New Zealand and study Taiji and Daoism. Bagua is really interesting
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for uploading this🤘🏾
You are welcome
very Cool thanks man
You are welcome!
This is a fascinating series. Thank you for the translation. It is interesting how the history is entwined with so much myth which usually colours it nicely and is fun to read, see , hear, yet when one wants to hear what can be discerned as actual historical facts or as close to it as possible, such enmeshing just leads to mess. The history of Baguazhang is interesting yet not clear. One thing is certain; no one practising and perfecting their art alone will emerge fully developed because you need a partner to train with to not only hone your skill but in the case of inventing a new art, to discover its weaknesses. So Dong Hai Chuan could not have come down from the mountain all powerful like the Monkey King.
So then he becomes a murderer/ assassin - becoming a eunuch seems a bit drastic, then in a fit of incredible compassion this assassin saves the life of a child playing on a roof !
Playing on a roof?
Then we are literally into a flight of fancy with the classical peking opera style kung fu film acrobatics, which while cool in the films and fun to watch, cannot be taken seriously here. Very good that you pointed out the factual elements. I have always found the claims of Dong Hai Chuan's skill and reputed fighting abilities to be grossly exaggerated in good old fashioned style but again fun to listen to. It's just when you hear similar stories in similar ways with different names you start to question their voracity.
Three years - even three intensive years is nowhere near enough time to learn an internal martial art even for a gifted student with plenty of martial skill and coordination.
I think at long as one keeps their logical brain working, then hearing the myths and legends are part of the fun of learning the art
@@MuShinMartialCulture Oh yes indeed. I love the myths and legends too. It's just when they are included in a serious documentary as if real I feel it takes away from the beauty, skill and effectiveness of TCMA
Thank you for sharing this documentary. It inspired me to do some bagua after long break from it :D
Great to hear!
Another great episode Byron. Nice one!
Thanks brother
This was very good. I can tell that you put a lot of work into it. Thank you for giving it to us.
Glad you like it
Really interesting stuff. Thank you
Thank you!
Excellent once again, thanks for sharing.
Very welcome!
This was great.
Thanks
Sun Lu Tang is one of the greatest internal martial artists, and he is very humble. Hence, in his book 'Explanation of the True Martial Essence,' he stated that four masters have achieved an emptiness state without mentioning himself and his students. He has also published books on how to achieve those forms. Moreover, he has taught many students, including his son, how to achieve it. However, the history of his achievement and the practices of those forms were disrupted during the revolutions in China. The way of developing human ability safely and sound is gone and need to be re-discovered all over again.
Well, they arent gone and lost, there are people who were alive before, during and after the revolutions in China, such as my teacher, and they dont have amnesia thankfully. There are MANY like this in fact.
I've never thought that the Chicken Claw Rui which I saw at some pictures in an old magazine were Baguazhang weapons. Perhaps these type of weapons when used in fighting may be more blood messy than the Deer Horn Knives.
In Liang, which is my lineage, we practice those chicken claw. They are indeed intricate and if one is not skilled, they may injure themselves with them
Hi what year is the photo of you and Kang Gewu ? He looks great how old is he now ?
That photo is maybe 6 years old or so. Kang Gewu was born in 1948
Very interesting how Dong Haichuan and Ip Man seem to be portrayed as these invincible masters. I don't mind hearing about all of their accomplishments, but I think hearing about their failures (at least to me) makes them feel "human".
Indeed, but as you know, this is usually how things are portrayed by the subsequent generations of a style
Ip Man was far from being perfect ;)
I am all ears!tell us a few details.
I would like to read that book by Sun Lutang but am not easily finding it. Would you happen to have a source?
In Chinese it's available on line, in English I would have to check
@@MuShinMartialCulture that would be wonderful if you can find it. Much appreciated.
@@roykronvall3396 michaelenolan.com/brennan/2013/04/29/the-voices-of-sun-lutangs-teachers/index.html
Thank you so much for that. I shall enjoy reading that immensely.
@@roykronvall3396 great
Don’t eunuchs have health issues? I wonder if he was really fit to be a martial artist
I am curious How did you verify that DHC was a castrated eunuch ?
The only way he could be employed in Prince Su's mansion was to be a eunuch. This was the case for all such employees. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have passed the initial examination to get this position. The idea that he would magically hide this, and at the same time live in Prince Su's mansion amongst the other eunuchs is highly highly improbable. Also, most records state that he was a eunuch.
Bagua zhang marshal arts in am a shaolin Marshall artist and am deeply interested in marshal arts not well known
Have a look through my other videos. You can find many different styles
Funny how in telling the historical stories they embellish the facts and physics like a Hong Kong kung fu movie. This happens over and over
Yes, unfortunately
The fundamental techniques of Aikido are contained in the grappling applications of Baguazhang.
Interesting. I'm not very familiar with aikido
Which ones? Which Aikido techniques come from which Bagua techniques?
They are similar by employing internal power and circular techniques. But they're not modified copies of one another.
While I love the history I’m interested in the most efficient effective pure self defense systems . Boxing bjj Krav Maga . All Arts have something to share
Those styles all produce great fighters, but traditional arts produce great people.
Yes indeed, all arts have something of value
@@david9180 Well, humans are human, and you get good ones and bad ones everywhere