It’s a very formidable rig. They did a really nice job. I think they did a better job on the interior. End of day though the GM twins/cousins Big suv lineup just has too much market share.
Perfectly said. They made the grand wagoneer to compete with the suburban. But jeep its years away from making a dent in what GM have in their lineup. @966mu
I have purchase the series 2 Jeep Wagoneer . I have to comment that I loaded up my family 5 adults and 3 teenagers for a weekend get away. Surprisingly we were very comfortable for a 4 hr trip. Gas was 12.1 litres per 100km on average. I think it’s good. Lots of power 5.7 Hemi turning radius is good. Safety features great!
I remember when the navigator came out and supposedly it was gonna beat the Cadillac escalate This will be the same story When it comes to big full size SUV’s GM will continue to be king Escalate/Yukon/Suburban/Tahoes
The GMC Yukon Denali was supposed to be the Navigator fighter but Cadillac dealers hollered to GM for their own SUV. The Escalade was created in the shortest time in GM history.
Very curious how the new i6 hurricane will feel compared to the 5.7. With twin turbos making 20 more hp and 50 lb/ft more torque than this, it should be a pretty quick. Reliability obviously remains to be seen
Got a series 2 wagoneer fully loaded It great . Good power and decent fuel economy. 25 mpg highway and 17 city. Doesn’t tow very well. Independent rear is more for comfort. Came from 2019 GMC Yukon
This SUV got so many problems the technicians don't know how to fix it. They held our SUV for 3 months with no rental car, they told us we had to purchase it and they would reimburse us ehich us sketchy. After we got ghdd SUV back the same problem and additional problems started to appear. Get this truck -$20k plus get the extended warranty if you gotta have it, all new dodge's got issues within 3 months, good luck.
I agree, front looks great back is ugly. I still bought one anyway it’s been great. Tahoe looks better but this has way better options for $ and was something different.
The Jeep Wagoneer Is The King Of The Luxury.Pickups Are Always Cheaper Than The SUVs Because They Haul More Family & Friends On The Road On A Field Trip That Is A Traveling Machine To Go On The Interstate If You Build Something Like A Toyota Sequoia Capstone It Will Be Like 85 Gran Because You Adding More Features On The Truck Full-Size Trucks & Full-Size SUVs On Each Brand Will Be Definitely Cousins Because They Can Tow 7500 LBS 🇺🇸.
The headroom is an absolute joke considering how big the vehicle is. What was Jeep thinking? The headroom should be at least 2 inches more even with the panoramic roof.
Ok, so a few observations: I noticed on the luxury pickup trucks on TK being this price, nobody bats an eye, but the SUV equivalent that tows 10K pounds and it is an issue? Interesting how that works. The Grand Wagoneer is just like the Grand Cherokee was when it came out: Slightly more costly than the competition. In the case of GW, it has a total larger interior than any of the competition, true 4WD w/ 4Lo and eLSD.(US). That's to say nothing of the options such as night vision, McIntosh sound, dual rear climate w/ rear heated/cooled seats, live connected rear entertainment, highest tow rating, power heated 3rd row seat(US), passenger infotainment screen(Series III, US)...all of these items being class exclusives. The Tahoe, Expedition, and GMC all are roughly the same price. One thing I do love about the Wagoneer is that you can get many luxury features like heated/cooled seats, panoramic roof, and real leather on a base Series I for about $68K.
For a family, this is not at all a proper step up from a mini-van price wise. Just too much money for what it is. I would not pay more than C$45K plus tax for such a vehicle. So Jeep is going to have to trim down their vehicules and get down to hearth period.
Are you guys thinking this Wagoneer at 80k doesn't hold up against the Yukon Premier model which is also 80k? I'd love to see a more direct comparison. I.e. For 80k you could get the Tahoe Premier which has X features more/better
Wagoneer has Nappa leather in all 3 rows. Tahoe has lower grade leather in the first two rows and a vinyl 3rd row. Chevy fans won’t care, they’ll buy anything with a bow tie badge, but it just shows the difference in quality between the two products.
@Alex S You're right, had a 2021 Rst, seats are a complete joke, way more vinyl than leather, and no four-way lumbar or ventilation..... interior was crazy cheap, I only went with the Tahoe because of the duramax, even that was a complete bust with non-stop electrical and emissions issues, got rid of it last November with 33,000km on the odometer!
The 5.7 Hemi’s reliability in the Wagoneer is gonna be beyond 200,000 miles- no questions asked! The Hurricane’s reliability is to be determined, but I prefer the traditional Hemi as I know it will last, and it doesn’t put out the extreme heat that a forced air engine does.
Completely agree on the aspect of towing for a boat. I am a mother of 2 young kids, and we tow our big Moomba boat twice a year so I appreciate the 10k pounds of towing capacity. Also, I currently have the New Grand Cherokee Summit (all luxury) and I have to say....my new wagoneer series 1 is more than sufficient as far as luxury goes. I don't see spending the extra for the Grand, especially after owning the Summit GC. As a mom, the extra Summit features especially in the back seats like heated seats, has been more than a pain than a blessing. Luxury interiors and young kids/toddlers don't mix! lol Great video, thanks!
I really don't understand idea of third row of seats in SUVs. It should only be option. Get minivan if you need 8 seats. Are we soon gonna see pick ups with third row seats and breast feeding station too????
Maybe because a family of 6 that needs to tow a 7500lbs trailer doesn’t have many options, plus as useful as a minivan is no one wants to drive a minivan. Let’s be real.
@@cameronkennedy5056 There is pick up with bench seat in front for that. I wouldn't want to tow 7500lbs TT with any suv. IMO too short wheel base. This weight is basically max I would ever tow with 1/2 ton pickup. Over that get HD
@@marcelo403polo2 we had a 96 suburban and that’s exactly what we needed and towed with. They’re plenty of suvs out there that tow over 7500 on the regular. Trust me we did the pickup with 6 in total and more than an hr it’s not comfortable.
@@cameronkennedy5056 Yeah. Back in 96 was not too many options available Edit Like I said in first comment it should be option only for those, who really want and need it
Get a Series 1. It is in fact about $10K less than Series 2. Unless you are in Canada then you may have to wait for a MY or two to see if they will eventually import the S1 to Canada.
I thinking of dumping my 2021 tahoe as well, I've already had emissions issues with the 3.0L Duramax and they cut so many corners with the interior....
Edward that's an interesting look at things and I have to agree completely. They're seeing the tahoe, expedition, and Suburban as middle class large family haulers. Police vehicles, dignitaries, and just not as Posh as the premium brands. I guess we'll see what happens down the road
Kudos to Jeep for keeping gas motors in the majority of their rigs. While not a fan of etorque or Rams motors particularly fuel mileage, I do like the fact that Jeep realized there is a market they had been ignoring.grand wagoner stacks up pretty well against the competition. Still a Ford fan but I’m coming around.
With some of these negative comments i wonder if they even test drove the Wagoneer?? Well for someone that has driven all the competiton (Tahoe, Expidition, Yukon) and even owned, The Wagoneer can Definitely compete. The 5.7L Hemi is more than enough to power the Wagoneer. The Series 1 is the way to go. $63,800 add the panoramic sunroof and larger wheels and total is $67,000 You are getting ALOT of vehicle and luxury at that price point. To compare the base V8 in the Tahoe is anemic for its size.
In ohio here. We have a loaded series 1. Only thing it really doesnt have is air suspension and tow package. Just over $70k USD. This was $10-15k cheaper than Tahoes and Yukons available in the region with the markups. FCA isnt marking up like GM is. This is the way to go and we just came from a GMC. I drove a grand wagoneer and would never spend $40k more over the loaded series 1 wagoneer.
Seems like anyone tall in the back of these trucks and SUV's you show would lose the top few inches of their head. I'm 6'4 I feel like this is a serious risk. Do they not use tall dummies in crash tests?
Cant remember i was thrown back by the power. Tahoe great, drawbacks tight 3rd row and nowhere near the power of the cyclone or whayever they are calling these 6cyl
What was the payload sticker on this model you drove? So difficult to get payload ratings - 10000lb towing is meaningless to me as I tow an 8k lb trailer with my family of 6 - I have a 3/4 ton 2010 suburban now that needs replacing, but nothing on the market has a payload of 1800lb+ (my situation's minimum) and can seat 6 comfortably. A pickup with two bench seats can seat 6, but not comfortably.
Not all Wagoneers tow 10Klbs out of the box. I have WS1 4x2. It does come standard with a hitch and 7-pin connector but it can only tow 7490lbs Max and 1500lbs payload. If you need more, you must opt for the HD Tow package (HD Cooling, 3.92 rear end, trailer brake controller, and some more infotainment and camera angles/features).
they dont use the jeep badge on the wagoneer, but yet give it the seven slot grille. the vehicle would look much better without the 7 slot grille, which jeep feels should be on every vehicle now. i dont know who is in charge of design
The price does seem really high..you said the model you are driving is $96,000…is that U.S or Canadian price..either way it’s to high of a price for me..
Steve, when you are doing the portion where you sit in the backseat, and even the third row, can you let us know what you have the front seat set for? For example the front seat is set for my driving comfort and I am 6 foot tall, this is how I fit behind myself.
Same springs, bit different types of suspension. Ram has independent front but solid rear. Jeep has same front, but independent rear. From what I've read, the ram has a better ride, it's more stable and controlled than the jeep.
GC Lfrom outside due to long hood ..but it is too small in interior space like highlander and less space than pathfinder and Koreans... And it Drives weird too..no planted feeling despite no air suspension
Thats apples to potatoes. Like saying u can get same hellcat that’s in the Durango in a 2 door challenger for less $. They are completely different vehicles with different use cases. A ram can’t haul 8 people….
Oh, I feel bad for you Canadians. For me and my family, the WS2 did not add any value worth the price delta! We opted for the WS1 4x2 (We live in AZ). It comes pretty loaded in the US. Capri leather seats, heated and ventilated front seat standard. It also has a heated steering wheel standard. It has all front/rear parking sensors. It comes standard with a 10.1" center screen even on the base trim. This is the reason why the starting price for the WS1 is much higher than the Tahoe you mentioned. The Tahoe doesn't have any of these features as standard and you have to climb up to LT2 trim level in the US to get leather and I didn't find where you get ventilated leather seats. LT2 is already more expensive than the WS1 trim so in my book, the Wagoneer Series 1 is a screaming deal vs. the competition at the base model. The 5.7 is more potent than Chevy's 5.3L as well. You can add an HD tow package for a 10Klbs towing capacity. My Wagoneer didn't come with a tow package so it can only tow 7490lbs max with 1500lbs payload capacity. Not all Wagoneers can tow 10KLBS. If you get a tow package, your rear end will jump to 3.92 vs. 3.21 for the standard axle so get ready to pay more at the pump so consider that if towing is not high on your list.
Just traded from a 2020 Durango R/T to a 2022 Wagoneer S3 with the 5.7L. $92,000+ MSRP here in Canada but with current incentives and my discount for working at the dealership, I paid under $80,000 which for its option package was an excellent deal. We have a family of 4 with 2 dogs. One child is in Hockey and we found there just wasn't enough room for friends and hockey gear.
I’ve never seen someone test the back row properly. They NEVER put the 2nd row seat into the position a person would actually be in. This video was no different. Bummer.
Peugeot really miss calculated on Jeep pricing , they bought into Fiats numbers during the pandemic, where people used their savings too buy SUV "s . Now reality is catching up .
@@franktank9573 I just picked up a Wagoneer S1. I've rented Ford Expeditions and Chevy Tahoes. The current Tahoe is outdated and a bit more expensive when you configure them the same way as the Wagoneer! That's why I went with the Wagoneer Series 1. Out of the box, it comes impressively loaded even on the base trim! Chevy dealers in my area don't have much inventory and they still have markups or mandatory dealer add-ons which made the discounted Wagoneer I got an even bigger screaming deal!
Between the long standing questionable reliability of keep products and a very high price point, I wouldn’t even consider this vehicle and that comes from a Denali driver. No intreat
Honestly Stephen, it's the Canadians' fault for letting the automakers get away with it. For sure Canada is a much smaller market than the US but still a significant one and definitely bigger than mexico. As long as they see Canadians still buying even at high prices and at specific trims; they'll continue to do so
Ya Tahoe comes standard with leather and heated and cooled seats? Oh wait it doesn’t…. Comparing $ for features it’s not close. Not to mention the tahoes are all arriving with features missing some that can’t be added later due to chip shortage.
Interior power training features are great. I think the exterior styling needs to be tweeked. It should be upright and chisled but it's a little too blocky.
With this comparison it comes down to price and off-roading ability. Cherokee is cheaper and goes off-road better. If non of that doesn’t matters at all then the wagoner is for you.
Thank you truck king Crew! I had a 2WD wagoneer back in the days which i was using on the daily basis for off-road trails sand dunes and beaches as well as during snow season (no rock climbing or extreme stuff mind you ;). It was the most capable vehicle i have ever drove. Although it was permanently having little issues overall it was a rock, i can never get into a so call 4wd without missing that old tank. I can't imagine the new ones are useless off Road?? Anybody having experience on this?
I agree with both of you. We should get the full range of vehicle. I live in Whitby and had a 1995 Suburban years ago; never used 4 wheel drive at all. I got rid of it when the price of gas hit $1.40 the first time. Two wheel drive is more than adequate here considering the weight distribution. Plenty of weight over the rear axles with snow tires. We are definitely charged more proportionate to the U.S. as you folks point out all the time. Keep up the great work. Love your videos.
The middle third row seat needs to have the seat belt on the seat so you don’t have that seat belt in the middle of your cargo area. Large boxes won’t go past that part of the cargo area.
Does this football stadium on wheels come with a brake ck troller from the factory? I think not offering a 2 speed transfer case is ridiculous at this price point. It should even have a rear locker at this price. Nice vehicle but the price is a bit to elevated.
Hey guys, I completely agree with you when you say that in Canada we always pay a lot more notwithstanding the exchange rate. Ford does very well in that way. I experience it last year.
I have a 21 ram1500 without etorque and a 22 wagoneer with it. I know they aren’t exactly the same even with wagoneer being on same chassis. No power differences but ram gets worse mileage by a few mpg it seems. Towing a small landscaping trailer it was noticeably better with the ram.
Jeep came out with the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer again, cool...now the V8's are being discontinued so, the outrageous $80k+ price tags on these things need to be cut in 1/2 once the V8's are gone, and I wouldn't buy one without the V8, and I sure as hell wouldn't pay $80K+ for either.
@@kervensferdinand669 Won't save you any fuel, you are asking a smaller engine to do the same amount of work as a larger engine, anytime you accelerate and that turbo spools you are using more fuel, that undersize turbo engine idea sounds cool on paper but in the real world when you use a truck as a truck (i.e. towing/hauling) you want a V8, not a I4 or V6 with a turbo doing the job. On top of that those turbo gas engines don't last nearly as long because they're often times being over worked as a result of being undersized.
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It’s a very formidable rig. They did a really nice job. I think they did a better job on the interior. End of day though the GM twins/cousins Big suv lineup just has too much market share.
Perfectly said. They made the grand wagoneer to compete with the suburban. But jeep its years away from making a dent in what GM have in their lineup. @966mu
I have purchase the series 2 Jeep Wagoneer . I have to comment that I loaded up my family 5 adults and 3 teenagers for a weekend get away. Surprisingly we were very comfortable for a 4 hr trip. Gas was 12.1 litres per 100km on average. I think it’s good. Lots of power 5.7 Hemi turning radius is good. Safety features great!
I remember when the navigator came out and supposedly it was gonna beat the Cadillac escalate
This will be the same story
When it comes to big full size SUV’s GM will continue to be king
Escalate/Yukon/Suburban/Tahoes
Navigator came out before the Escalade. GM created the Escalade to better compete with Lincoln
This is not in the luxury segment the Grand Wagoneer is which is already outselling the Navigator
The GMC Yukon Denali was supposed to be the Navigator fighter but Cadillac dealers hollered to GM for their own SUV. The Escalade was created in the shortest time in GM history.
Its outselling the navigator but what can it do against the suburban. Nothing really. Suburban is king and yukon xl is right behind
@@kingmelo2528 And who cares the suburban has been around for 90 years the Wagoneer just rereleased who cares if it’s best sell if it’s selling well
Jeep has been making some really nice vehicles!
Very curious how the new i6 hurricane will feel compared to the 5.7. With twin turbos making 20 more hp and 50 lb/ft more torque than this, it should be a pretty quick. Reliability obviously remains to be seen
Got a series 2 wagoneer fully loaded
It great . Good power and decent fuel economy. 25 mpg highway and 17 city.
Doesn’t tow very well. Independent rear is more for comfort. Came from 2019 GMC Yukon
Those are some nice mpg numbers
@@carlovesfam6069 Yukon was slightly better by one or 2 mpgs. 5.3 v8.
I think overpriced in Canada and united states'
This SUV got so many problems the technicians don't know how to fix it. They held our SUV for 3 months with no rental car, they told us we had to purchase it and they would reimburse us ehich us sketchy. After we got ghdd SUV back the same problem and additional problems started to appear. Get this truck -$20k plus get the extended warranty if you gotta have it, all new dodge's got issues within 3 months, good luck.
I'm looking forward to reviews of the 3.0L Hurricane engine. Looks like the Wagoneer is the first to have it as an option.
Ya I want to see if it will blow up!
That engine that was supposed to be out by now is missing. No reviews no first drives? Suspicious….
@@franktank9573 only the H.O. Version in the grand Wagoneer is out it will be out in the Wagoneer at the end of this year
Asked my wife if she liked these, she said it's ugly. FCA might have good interiors but if we can't get past the exterior, what's the point.
I agree, front looks great back is ugly. I still bought one anyway it’s been great. Tahoe looks better but this has way better options for $ and was something different.
Sorry, but only a complete idiot would spend 100k on a jeep. The thing will completely fall apart after 5 years like every other jeep.
nothing beats a tahoe but great vehicle if someone doesn't like chevy. grand wagoneer like suburban wagoneer like tahoe.
It look like a Mini Van..... lol
Good luck rolling when warranty expires.
The Jeep Wagoneer Is The King Of The Luxury.Pickups Are Always Cheaper Than The SUVs Because They Haul More Family & Friends On The Road On A Field Trip That Is A Traveling Machine To Go On The Interstate If You Build Something Like A Toyota Sequoia Capstone It Will Be Like 85 Gran Because You Adding More Features On The Truck Full-Size Trucks & Full-Size SUVs On Each Brand Will Be Definitely Cousins Because They Can Tow 7500 LBS 🇺🇸.
The headroom is an absolute joke considering how big the vehicle is. What was Jeep thinking? The headroom should be at least 2 inches more even with the panoramic roof.
Ok, so a few observations: I noticed on the luxury pickup trucks on TK being this price, nobody bats an eye, but the SUV equivalent that tows 10K pounds and it is an issue? Interesting how that works.
The Grand Wagoneer is just like the Grand Cherokee was when it came out: Slightly more costly than the competition. In the case of GW, it has a total larger interior than any of the competition, true 4WD w/ 4Lo and eLSD.(US). That's to say nothing of the options such as night vision, McIntosh sound, dual rear climate w/ rear heated/cooled seats, live connected rear entertainment, highest tow rating, power heated 3rd row seat(US), passenger infotainment screen(Series III, US)...all of these items being class exclusives. The Tahoe, Expedition, and GMC all are roughly the same price.
One thing I do love about the Wagoneer is that you can get many luxury features like heated/cooled seats, panoramic roof, and real leather on a base Series I for about $68K.
For a family, this is not at all a proper step up from a mini-van price wise. Just too much money for what it is.
I would not pay more than C$45K plus tax for such a vehicle. So Jeep is going to have to trim down their vehicules and get down to hearth period.
Great review. I’m in market for 7-8 seater and this looks like it may work. Not everyone reviews the back rows, so thank you for those details.
No problem 👍
I took the middle seat out of the bench and it really opens up the space. Third row is huge compared to other full size SUV’s
Are you guys thinking this Wagoneer at 80k doesn't hold up against the Yukon Premier model which is also 80k? I'd love to see a more direct comparison. I.e. For 80k you could get the Tahoe Premier which has X features more/better
Nope
Yeah nope. But you are right 80k that tahoe would put up a fight
Wagoneer has Nappa leather in all 3 rows. Tahoe has lower grade leather in the first two rows and a vinyl 3rd row. Chevy fans won’t care, they’ll buy anything with a bow tie badge, but it just shows the difference in quality between the two products.
@Alex S You're right, had a 2021 Rst, seats are a complete joke, way more vinyl than leather, and no four-way lumbar or ventilation..... interior was crazy cheap, I only went with the Tahoe because of the duramax, even that was a complete bust with non-stop electrical and emissions issues, got rid of it last November with 33,000km on the odometer!
@@iggy-pg6gq that’s an awful experience. If you’re gonna spend that much on a car, you really have to love it.
What? This is definitely more of a Suburban contender I think with the size of the vehicle
Tahoe is the Best the Wagoner is ugly
The 5.7 Hemi’s reliability in the Wagoneer is gonna be beyond 200,000 miles- no questions asked! The Hurricane’s reliability is to be determined, but I prefer the traditional Hemi as I know it will last, and it doesn’t put out the extreme heat that a forced air engine does.
Completely agree on the aspect of towing for a boat. I am a mother of 2 young kids, and we tow our big Moomba boat twice a year so I appreciate the 10k pounds of towing capacity. Also, I currently have the New Grand Cherokee Summit (all luxury) and I have to say....my new wagoneer series 1 is more than sufficient as far as luxury goes. I don't see spending the extra for the Grand, especially after owning the Summit GC. As a mom, the extra Summit features especially in the back seats like heated seats, has been more than a pain than a blessing. Luxury interiors and young kids/toddlers don't mix! lol Great video, thanks!
I really don't understand idea of third row of seats in SUVs. It should only be option. Get minivan if you need 8 seats. Are we soon gonna see pick ups with third row seats and breast feeding station too????
Maybe because a family of 6 that needs to tow a 7500lbs trailer doesn’t have many options, plus as useful as a minivan is no one wants to drive a minivan. Let’s be real.
@@cameronkennedy5056 There is pick up with bench seat in front for that. I wouldn't want to tow 7500lbs TT with any suv. IMO too short wheel base. This weight is basically max I would ever tow with 1/2 ton pickup. Over that get HD
@@marcelo403polo2 we had a 96 suburban and that’s exactly what we needed and towed with. They’re plenty of suvs out there that tow over 7500 on the regular. Trust me we did the pickup with 6 in total and more than an hr it’s not comfortable.
@@cameronkennedy5056 Yeah. Back in 96 was not too many options available
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Like I said in first comment it should be option only for those, who really want and need it
I want one so bad, my friend just bought a series 2 and it is awesome. If only it was 10k less.
Get a Series 1. It is in fact about $10K less than Series 2. Unless you are in Canada then you may have to wait for a MY or two to see if they will eventually import the S1 to Canada.
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I sold my junky 22 z71 Tahoe that wouldn’t stop for a Wagoneer I love it
I thinking of dumping my 2021 tahoe as well, I've already had emissions issues with the 3.0L Duramax and they cut so many corners with the interior....
I’ll stick with my Suburban over a Jeep because I do my gambling at the poker table not on vehicles.
They’re not going for volume. Jeep is going for luxury. They was to be the American Land Rover . I think you will see this in future months
Edward that's an interesting look at things and I have to agree completely. They're seeing the tahoe, expedition, and Suburban as middle class large family haulers. Police vehicles, dignitaries, and just not as Posh as the premium brands. I guess we'll see what happens down the road
Kudos to Jeep for keeping gas motors in the majority of their rigs. While not a fan of etorque or Rams motors particularly fuel mileage, I do like the fact that Jeep realized there is a market they had been ignoring.grand wagoner stacks up pretty well against the competition. Still a Ford fan but I’m coming around.
With some of these negative comments i wonder if they even test drove the Wagoneer?? Well for someone that has driven all the competiton (Tahoe, Expidition, Yukon) and even owned, The Wagoneer can Definitely compete. The 5.7L Hemi is more than enough to power the Wagoneer. The Series 1 is the way to go. $63,800 add the panoramic sunroof and larger wheels and total is $67,000 You are getting ALOT of vehicle and luxury at that price point.
To compare the base V8 in the Tahoe is anemic for its size.
I just think Jeep will go a little further in making their vehicles more off-road capable.
I would get a Sequoia over this thing any day
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In ohio here. We have a loaded series 1. Only thing it really doesnt have is air suspension and tow package. Just over $70k USD. This was $10-15k cheaper than Tahoes and Yukons available in the region with the markups. FCA isnt marking up like GM is. This is the way to go and we just came from a GMC. I drove a grand wagoneer and would never spend $40k more over the loaded series 1 wagoneer.
Jeep is not FCA anymore. Its frenchy stalantis or something like that. I would stay away from frenchy stuff
What's your payload rating if you don't mind me asking?
No towing is a no no for any full sized suv sorry! 😒
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@@marcelo403polo2 still FCA buddy
What in the world was with that door shut noise?? Clank!!! Definitely not a solid clunk 🤦♂️
Seems like anyone tall in the back of these trucks and SUV's you show would lose the top few inches of their head. I'm 6'4 I feel like this is a serious risk. Do they not use tall dummies in crash tests?
Cant remember i was thrown back by the power. Tahoe great, drawbacks tight 3rd row and nowhere near the power of the cyclone or whayever they are calling these 6cyl
What was the payload sticker on this model you drove? So difficult to get payload ratings - 10000lb towing is meaningless to me as I tow an 8k lb trailer with my family of 6 - I have a 3/4 ton 2010 suburban now that needs replacing, but nothing on the market has a payload of 1800lb+ (my situation's minimum) and can seat 6 comfortably. A pickup with two bench seats can seat 6, but not comfortably.
Not all Wagoneers tow 10Klbs out of the box. I have WS1 4x2. It does come standard with a hitch and 7-pin connector but it can only tow 7490lbs Max and 1500lbs payload. If you need more, you must opt for the HD Tow package (HD Cooling, 3.92 rear end, trailer brake controller, and some more infotainment and camera angles/features).
Looks like a Jeep Compass that got stung by the whole hive and then was treated with chrome paste.
I meant Patriot.
Gosh those models were awful. And awfully forgettable.
Love our series II wagoneer. Been 13 months and it still impresses me
The headroom is disappointing for a 3 ton SUV.
they dont use the jeep badge on the wagoneer, but yet give it the seven slot grille. the vehicle would look much better without the 7 slot grille, which jeep feels should be on every vehicle now. i dont know who is in charge of design
The jeep will be in a landfill and the Tahoe will just be starting to break in. Chrysler/Fiat trash.
The price does seem really high..you said the model you are driving is $96,000…is that U.S or Canadian price..either way it’s to high of a price for me..
US price tops out at $88K for a Series III fully loaded.
Steve, when you are doing the portion where you sit in the backseat, and even the third row, can you let us know what you have the front seat set for? For example the front seat is set for my driving comfort and I am 6 foot tall, this is how I fit behind myself.
Good point. We'll start doing that.
Very nice interior... it has its charm but can't ignor it's for granpa...
$96k for any Dodge product 😂😂😂
I saw one in a parking lot. From the rear it reminded me of the cap I had on my Gladiator.
That’s not really a big thing. A VW bus is a Tahoe killer
I don't know why you'd buy a 2wd Jeep! Lol
Front end is to small for the size of the suv ill take a Denali or any gm product over this
Is the air suspension in this the same as the one used in the RAM pickups, like the Rebel? Also, I agree, pricing for Canadarians is crazy!
Same springs, bit different types of suspension. Ram has independent front but solid rear. Jeep has same front, but independent rear. From what I've read, the ram has a better ride, it's more stable and controlled than the jeep.
the third row seat belt hanging from roof really annoying for people with ocd
Is the Wagoneer worth the extra dough over a Grand Cherokee? I have my eyes on the 3-row GC with the V8.
Way more room, why I went with it. GC is tiny and unusable space with 3rd row up.
I have tried both, I went with the Wagoneer it feel safer on the road.
GC Lfrom outside due to long hood ..but it is too small in interior space like highlander and less space than pathfinder and Koreans... And it Drives weird too..no planted feeling despite no air suspension
go for the Wagoneer Series 1. about the same price as a GC-L with a V8 but way cheaper per LBS! lol
You can get that same power train a lot cheaper in the form of ram trucks and Chrysler cars
Thats apples to potatoes. Like saying u can get same hellcat that’s in the Durango in a 2 door challenger for less $. They are completely different vehicles with different use cases. A ram can’t haul 8 people….
I find it better looking & different than GM & Ford.
But, can this Waggoner go off-road? Take it on the left hook!
Left hook Baby!!! Heay
80k and it looks too basic.👎🏻
Oh, I feel bad for you Canadians. For me and my family, the WS2 did not add any value worth the price delta! We opted for the WS1 4x2 (We live in AZ). It comes pretty loaded in the US. Capri leather seats, heated and ventilated front seat standard. It also has a heated steering wheel standard. It has all front/rear parking sensors. It comes standard with a 10.1" center screen even on the base trim. This is the reason why the starting price for the WS1 is much higher than the Tahoe you mentioned. The Tahoe doesn't have any of these features as standard and you have to climb up to LT2 trim level in the US to get leather and I didn't find where you get ventilated leather seats. LT2 is already more expensive than the WS1 trim so in my book, the Wagoneer Series 1 is a screaming deal vs. the competition at the base model. The 5.7 is more potent than Chevy's 5.3L as well. You can add an HD tow package for a 10Klbs towing capacity. My Wagoneer didn't come with a tow package so it can only tow 7490lbs max with 1500lbs payload capacity. Not all Wagoneers can tow 10KLBS. If you get a tow package, your rear end will jump to 3.92 vs. 3.21 for the standard axle so get ready to pay more at the pump so consider that if towing is not high on your list.
Just traded from a 2020 Durango R/T to a 2022 Wagoneer S3 with the 5.7L. $92,000+ MSRP here in Canada but with current incentives and my discount for working at the dealership, I paid under $80,000 which for its option package was an excellent deal. We have a family of 4 with 2 dogs. One child is in Hockey and we found there just wasn't enough room for friends and hockey gear.
Lmao tight squeeze in both.. hell no to both..
I’ve never seen someone test the back row properly. They NEVER put the 2nd row seat into the position a person would actually be in. This video was no different. Bummer.
Peugeot really miss calculated on Jeep pricing , they bought into Fiats numbers during the pandemic, where people used their savings too buy SUV "s . Now reality is catching up .
Nissan gives you guys the Frontier I want. Not sure why the game is played. Every dash is metric and SAE...as far as I know safety specs are the same.
I can promise you nothing crystler puts out will ever replace a Tahoe
Ya true, it’s better than that trash. I owned a Tahoe and now a wagoneer. No comparison….
@@franktank9573 I just picked up a Wagoneer S1. I've rented Ford Expeditions and Chevy Tahoes. The current Tahoe is outdated and a bit more expensive when you configure them the same way as the Wagoneer! That's why I went with the Wagoneer Series 1. Out of the box, it comes impressively loaded even on the base trim! Chevy dealers in my area don't have much inventory and they still have markups or mandatory dealer add-ons which made the discounted Wagoneer I got an even bigger screaming deal!
It’s more expensive because of your government and taxes. Period. Don’t worry. Biden economics will begin soon enough here in the states.
I agree with most of the comments here. But I’ll add that third row middle seat belt? 🙅🏼♂️ No thanks.
Between the long standing questionable reliability of keep products and a very high price point, I wouldn’t even consider this vehicle and that comes from a Denali driver. No intreat
Honestly Stephen, it's the Canadians' fault for letting the automakers get away with it. For sure Canada is a much smaller market than the US but still a significant one and definitely bigger than mexico. As long as they see Canadians still buying even at high prices and at specific trims; they'll continue to do so
I Dnt think Ford or Chevy worried lol
What is that color? I’ve never seen that
Come on there is alot of people that are 6'2" and up.
That headroom is long trip torture.
My suburban wins there
In Canada 🇨🇦 we pay more for everything..period.
While its nice, its not a Tahoe. If one cannot get a Tahoe, the only other real option is a Yukon. And that is the order of things.
Ya Tahoe comes standard with leather and heated and cooled seats? Oh wait it doesn’t…. Comparing $ for features it’s not close. Not to mention the tahoes are all arriving with features missing some that can’t be added later due to chip shortage.
@@franktank9573 Tahoes/Yukons own 85% of this market, for a reason. Leather is for HOA presidents.
@@carlovesfam6069 To each is own, even a monkey 🐒 considers it's baby cutest
@@carlovesfam6069 this bloated thing is better looking then a yukon? Nah lol
Have any of you actually tested one?
I have a series 2 2023 and I definitely don't have a lot of people that I am transporting 😂😂
Exterior is not even close in styling, GM all day. Interior is nice on most high package new Jeeps
Interior power training features are great. I think the exterior styling needs to be tweeked. It should be upright and chisled but it's a little too blocky.
My daughter has the grand with the 6.4. Great mpg, 8-10. Oh yeah???
This ain't even in the same class as them
Hmmmmm. So Vikings can easily fit in the 3rd row, eh???
With this comparison it comes down to price and off-roading ability. Cherokee is cheaper and goes off-road better. If non of that doesn’t matters at all then the wagoner is for you.
Too much dinero!!!!
Price is a big factor
Not a Tahoe killer just another choice. GM will still easily rule this segment
What is that color ?
Keep of u tube koffff
It's not worth it
Thank you truck king Crew!
I had a 2WD wagoneer back in the days which i was using on the daily basis for off-road trails sand dunes and beaches as well as during snow season (no rock climbing or extreme stuff mind you ;). It was the most capable vehicle i have ever drove.
Although it was permanently having little issues overall it was a rock, i can never get into a so call 4wd without missing that old tank.
I can't imagine the new ones are useless off Road??
Anybody having experience on this?
I agree with both of you. We should get the full range of vehicle. I live in Whitby and had a 1995 Suburban years ago; never used 4 wheel drive at all. I got rid of it when the price of gas hit $1.40 the first time. Two wheel drive is more than adequate here considering the weight distribution. Plenty of weight over the rear axles with snow tires.
We are definitely charged more proportionate to the U.S. as you folks point out all the time.
Keep up the great work. Love your videos.
Nope, can get myself a great house with tht moola lmao 😂
The middle third row seat needs to have the seat belt on the seat so you don’t have that seat belt in the middle of your cargo area. Large boxes won’t go past that part of the cargo area.
Never in a million years will it make the Tahoe irrelevant
Does this football stadium on wheels come with a brake ck troller from the factory? I think not offering a 2 speed transfer case is ridiculous at this price point. It should even have a rear locker at this price. Nice vehicle but the price is a bit to elevated.
They don't get that system in Canada. The US models do get the full-time Quadra-Drive II system w/ ELSD.
Hey guys,
I completely agree with you when you say that in Canada we always pay a lot more notwithstanding the exchange rate. Ford does very well in that way. I experience it last year.
Have you ever actually been able to tell the difference between and standard and E-torque hemi? Power, MPG etc??
I have a 21 ram1500 without etorque and a 22 wagoneer with it. I know they aren’t exactly the same even with wagoneer being on same chassis. No power differences but ram gets worse mileage by a few mpg it seems. Towing a small landscaping trailer it was noticeably better with the ram.
nice if there was a 2 row like the original 1963
Sorry the e-torque would kill it for me.
Jeep came out with the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer again, cool...now the V8's are being discontinued so, the outrageous $80k+ price tags on these things need to be cut in 1/2 once the V8's are gone, and I wouldn't buy one without the V8, and I sure as hell wouldn't pay $80K+ for either.
It’s also gonna save you some fuel, and wth a turbo charge engine, it may be faster than a V8, just gonna miss the sound in a v8 one
@@kervensferdinand669 Won't save you any fuel, you are asking a smaller engine to do the same amount of work as a larger engine, anytime you accelerate and that turbo spools you are using more fuel, that undersize turbo engine idea sounds cool on paper but in the real world when you use a truck as a truck (i.e. towing/hauling) you want a V8, not a I4 or V6 with a turbo doing the job. On top of that those turbo gas engines don't last nearly as long because they're often times being over worked as a result of being undersized.