She hesistanted. She was moving away from him, but she snapped when General said he has to be alive because he loves her. All this time, the man can just off himself and kill the Nowhere King, but he didn't. And he kind of blame her on why he doesn't want to die.
@@DevilRaptorB He's punishing the General, his other half, for what's been done. But everything was by his own choice. Nobody made him create the minotaurs. Nobody made him abuse the magic of the key until it rotted the flesh from his bones. He's punishing himself for his own awful choices. It's like a physical representation of the cycle of self-hatred.
I love how The Woman’s expression changed when she saw Rider. Sure, throughout the first season she kept trying to prevent their reunion, but she didn’t do it because she’s evil or selfish. She did it to protect *both* her worlds, and felt the same about her husband before his betrayal was found out; she couldn’t bear being separated, but like horse at the end of season 1, she knew it was necessary.
Agreed, I think they made a wise decision to just show her expression change while not saying anything She says nothing to the General while she and Jenny Apples knock him off a cliff She's done talking.
The show's creator confirmed what the Elk and the General are not "The Good Side/Ying" and "The Evil Side/Yang" of the Centaur, but simply the the "Elk" and "Human" separated of the Centaur but "Equally in Emosions and Inteligence of Centaur" Meaning what even if the Elk were the Human and the General the Elk, then the results would always have been the same. The General is evil not because He's the Centaur's evil side, but rather because both the General and the Elk are what the Centaur would have evolved on either situtation. In escence, He/They were always very selfish and self-destructive and unnable to love Himself.
Yup. Totally agree with that too. He was always so unhappy and hated himself. Human or elk, his selfishness and personality would have lead to the same outcome no matter what. Besides the theory that nwk is the good side is wrong anyway 😂😂 how in the world is nwk the good part of him? Doesn’t make sense 😂 he was always the same selfish hateful person. It’s just that now it’s two instead of one, causing double damage. Even if he hadn’t done what he did, their relationship wouldn’t last anyway due to his intense self hatred and prejudice, together with his selfishness and lack of empathy.
Is that a direct quote from the creator? Someone should teach them how to spell emotions and intelligence, if so. Also, you spelled essence and unable wrong.
Funny how he always believed that the "beast" was their animalistic side. The Nowhere King only became "evil" to stop a greater one, the General never cared about anyone except his own selfish desires.
@@nathancaldwell5443 The Nowhere King was wronged by the General, but that doesn't excuse all the death and destruction he caused in both the Human World and Centaurworld. The General secretly enabled all of this to preserve his own life for he can't kill the Nowhere King without killing himself. Both of them were responsible for such horrible tragedies.
@@ryanw5500 The elk was only as guilty as the ignorant Elktaur he was. His still humbled perspective after the transformation, gave him more clarity and the healthier intent to reunite. It's the imperfect side of him that could've helped him become his best self if the split failed. It's the redeeming side of him that get's literally dehumanized beyond hope before ever giving in to what it did. The general was an ego spoiled rotten for how he tarnished the life he always wanted. He didn't have the troubled side of himself that people need to face/accept in order to grow. He's guilty but mechanically speaking, it makes sense why he was so selfish a dividend. But the Nowhere King's manipulation of the woman? The elk was still the bright rift-worker Elktaur he was before. She married the general (Correct me if she did know of the elk before she released him). I mean how was the general supposed to keep the elk as alive and healthy as himself to prolong their lives if elk committed suicide or was eaten by something? It was a human clone of him, no longer him, and someone he was just getting close to as Elktaur, the general outright doing what he did to him. The Nowhere King lied, manipulating the mysterious woman like he did, in the sense he knew better that they'd have never have had a thing as the elk, but carried the attachment genuinely as a way to cope and at least temporarily fill the void. That and he just thought he was right being out for vengeance like he was. Yes, Elktaur made a foolish mistake, crossing uncharted lines, trying to solve his problems himself because he couldn't trust others. Yes, the elk honestly shouldn't have been a sliver of a thought if it weren't waiting to die too if the Nowhere King ever succeeded in his genocide and still couldn't numb the pain/replace his attachment to the Princess. ..But maybe Elktaur didn't just want respect. I literally don't know lol the general's behavior made it seem like it.
I think many of us, myself included hate the general more for how REAL of an evil he is. The Nowhere King is the sort of evil within fairytales. He's a tormented soul, basically drive completely and totally insane. The General got everything, and to get it without complications, he created TNK. The General impression Elk was also the "First Strike" so to speak, not to mention the attempted drowning moments before. And of course there's the fact that Elk was right, she would have accepted them whole. Elk was simply a better person before giving into grief, the General was basically awful sense his "Birth." If you can't compromise with yourself, then what hope can you ever have for truly caring for others?
@@hassanmehdi1714 they only were the same person. I think most of the driving points of the elktaur's personality went into the general. He always wanted to be human. So he cut the rest of himself out. The parts that he personally didn't like, the disassociation the insecurity the part of himself that viewed itself is lesser he left with the elk. While the parts that he valued most, the parts that many of us consider to be the most sinister became the general. The elk was just a poor unfortunate soul who didn't even want to hurt anyone until the general subjected him to years of torture that drove him insane and twisted him into the nowhere King
TNK is not "evil within fairytales" he's a cartoon example of a phenomenon in which the victim of abuse becomes the abuser, another one of these would be Simon or Catra
@@justsomewritingfan2202 the princess was willing to love elktaur before all this happened. The guy just couldn’t recognize a furry when she was even throwing him a party for opening a door.
It's insane how The General is the egotistical, and self-justifying side that doesn't care who he has to hurt, to kill to get what he wants. The Nowhere King is his self-loath, the drepressed side that wants to make everyone else suffer as he felt. Nowhere King could have fly down and save the general and himslef from the fall, but he didn't. He wants him and himself to hurt, to die Litterally they are the worst aspects of the elktaur. People might say The Nowhere King is better because at least he is honest and the elk inside him has regret, but he is also hell-bent on causing maximium damage while the general was damage-controlling but not willing to sacrifice his own life.
You do have a point but 1)letting the world as you know it end because you always have to get what you want and 2) becoming ruthless after a decade of torture that you slipped into because of insecurities is kinda not the same.
@@crazydragy4233 The same? No. But actions that both ought to be held accountable for? Yes. They both took it upon themselves to involve thousands (maybe more) of innocent lives in their own personal bullshit. The death of Elktaur, in all its pitiful sadness, was the epitome of justice being served.
It's because they are incomplete, elktaur split himself in two, his animal side, wild and emotional, and his human side, focussed and cold, they needed each other for balance because they were both incomplete, a good person is only good because they think and feel weighing their choices against each other for not only themselves but for others, only when driven by either emotion or logic do our actions truly become "cruel"
@Ellmesviel Actually, that’s only partly true. Elk and General were still the same person, with the same personality. The only difference is that Elk got to live a horrible life, diving through dumpsters as the thing he wanted to get rid of, his “beast side”, whilst General, free from Elk, got his happy life with the Woman. Every action the two of them have done are exactly the same Elktaur would have, the General’s actions if Elktaur got what he wanted, to be human, and the Elk if Elktaur didn’t get what he wanted, and instead fully became what he hated about himself.
This was all Elktaur guys.... not just the general. If he hadn't split his 2 halves none of this would've happened. Seeing how the general treated elk just goes to show how much Elktaur hated his centaur half.
i think the important thing to understand, that a lot of people seem to be missing, is that if Elk and the General were switched then he would have done the exact same thing. they're are literally the same person differentiated only by their circumstance. Elk would have done all the same things as the General if he had the opportunity...he DID do all the same things.
It rlly feels like ppl try 2 make Elktaur their "sorry little innocent boy" by pitting everything on General, when they're the exact same person. The elk/NWK rlly only wanted 2 go back bc he didn't like living as a regular animal. I absolutely get how u can feel sympathetic for him, but the General wasn't a selfish dude who hated himself so much he started a war, *The Elktaur was*
I would like to note something...before the general made his half-hearted declaration of love, we're given a scene with the key just around the woman's waist. It was then General, sounding pretty desperate in my opinion, tried to 'convince' her that all of this was for him to find her and say 'I love you'. He even points his sword at her during this speech which struck as odd to me. Even if the situation looks bad, you wouldn't point a weapon so carelessly and possibly dangerously at the person you claim to love. While there might be a kernel of truth behind the General's words, his tone reeks of desperation and fear. He doesn't want to go back to being Elktaur I think General knew that the Woman was planning to use the key and was trying to find an opening so that he could snatch it away and secure his existence's safety. He was betting on that the Woman still had feelings for him, that would get her to drop her guard and get his hands on the key. They were in love once after all, heck they got married. But the woman saw through this. the 'truth' was staring at her amongst the dead bodies on the field and a severely injured Rider. And living in Centaurworld, she probably witnessed firsthand at what the Nowhere King did to the innocent folk of that world, if not the traumatic aftermath. The woman despite being broken shell of what she used to be, does care about others very deeply, unlike the General who abused his other half Elk, started a war with himself, got hundreds if not thousands of people killed, and STABBED RIDER IN THE BACK! Everything the General did, he did for himself. And here's the General telling her that all of this was 'for her', because he 'loved her'. And thus she pushed the General off the cliff.
You are absolutely right 100% its so true. Also i think she snapped because in his desperation he basically turned the blame for the endless war on HER, he said "I only did all this so i could live to see YOU" which combined with what you said, paints a picture of a man who cannot and will not ever admit his faults. In his desperation to restore HIS peace, he insulted the woman he claimed to love. And she knew. That was her tipping point. If she didnt take him down now, then she would just be prolonging this situation for someone who couldn't even properly feel remorseful.
I'd also like to point out that while he said he loves her he wasn't even trying to feign a smile, or even look concerned in the slightest. his facial expression was neutral at best.
Consider what the Nowhere King does after the General falls off the cliff, and remember that what happens to one happens to the other. You ever wonder what falling off a cliff does to the human body? *It isn't pretty.*
And maybe I’m wrong, but he probably couldn’t completely die as the connection to the NWK goes both ways and the NWK was still “alive” Not that he didn’t deserve it
i would recon what we see when he becomes a mass is the broken body of the human, and the gass? his dieing breath. its only when they become whole does he live agian, both versons must DIE for the whole to live. i think it s acool consept anyway. it jsut feels liek a toxic exhale, why else would he do that? his generals dieing breath seems fitting for me.
Horse was afraid that the woman she cared most for wouldn't accept her for who she had become but still chose to face her and find out. The NWK/General was too afraid to even ask the woman he cared most about to accept him. Horse discovered and embraced that there could be more people out there to love and cherish beyond the bond she made with her rider. The NWK/General decided that everyone else could go to hell so long as he could get to his woman. Horse was initially distraught over what she had become but ultimately realized her new body fit this new version of her. In a much more twisted way The NWK did too. I had no idea when this show started what a great foil the villain would be for this show's protagonist.
The part that still fascinates me is how well Horse and The Nowhere King serve as sort of inverted mirrors of one another...and yet they barely interact at all in the series. She meets him once in the rift and again on the battlefield, and both times he doesn't really view her as anything significant.
As much as I hate the general, remember The Nowhere King is equally to blame. The creator of the show stated that they're not Ying/Yang or Good/Bad, they're both elktaur just in different circumstances and that if TNK was the one in the human body and The General in the Elk the same would've still happened.
For those who feel remorseful for Elktaur, you are right to feel so. But you also have to remember despite originally being a good guy with good intentions who just wanted to be loved, he is at fault for the deaths of thousands and for causing a war. He himself and his two halves are to blame for all of this chaos. There were a million different alternate routes he could’ve taken to avoid this outcome yet he chose not to. He hated himself so much he literally ripped who he was apart instead of just having the courage to tell her how he felt and it turns out she really would’ve accepted him for who he was. He let his insecurities get the better of him and he ended up not only harming himself, but also her and countless others. He made a fatal decision by letting his inner demons come to life (literally) and they caused so much chaos and discord it effected not one, but two worlds forever. What a tragic character bro… but at the end of the day this was the right course of action.
I honestly don't feel bad for him at all. He was too stupid to realize the Princess WAS interested him, had real disdain for his fellow Centaurs despite the "prejudice" they suffer from humans (that we NEVER see), and ultimately never seemed to factor in others in his actions or even care.
She knows he's full of it because he literally just said he "HOPED" she was alive, he couldn't possibly be motivated by love for her if he thought she was alive but never tried to get through the portals.
@@milogop3574 That is, if he thought she was alive, he'd have to assume she was trapped there and so she'd be trying to escape, but instead he leaves her trapped there without telling anyone the truth about any of it. But since he assumed she was dead (or as good as dead), he couldn't have been staying alive for her sake.
@@tatertots3337 He literally sent Rider to get the key part at the start of the story. There's plenty to criticise him for but he pretty clearly was trying to get his hands on them.
Also in there part of the last lullaby when he calls her my love she gets angry and uses her magic to lift him up and them throw him down. You would think he would have learned not to use the L word again after falling off that cliff.
He was also a coward, if he really loved her he’d give himself up to save everyone from getting killed, but he never did! Horse is right, the General doesn’t know the first thing about love and never will.
I love how the NWK always stops his movements and turns his full attention to her. I mean in the first scene in the void the NWK would've let her kill him, so it's really interesting how the general called him "black mirror" but the "mirror" has more remorse and feelings then the general ever had.
I love the depiction of the toxicity and self loathing and how it very much shows that the backlash can affect others in the worst way. It reminds me alot of "nice guys" who are at their core self hating, they truly hate themselves the most based on their looks and not being able to "get the girl". But no matter how broken their stories are, it shows when he finally got what he wanted I.E "the body, the separation of everything he hated" it wasn't enough for him. That self hatred never truly went away and it ended up consuming him in the worst way. Tragic but very realistic of the human condition.
Usually how they look at themselves, "nice guys" that feel like a victim of circumstance or a bad lot in life. However, no matter what they do. They never address the issue inside them. That all encompassing self hatred. They believe themselves to be "kind, generous" and think it's their physical/social standing that is holding them back.
Sometimes they feel trapped by it. I wouldn't call myself a nice guy, but I know I was considered and Incel by many. I was put into that place and afraid to seek help because I didn't know where to look or how to address it, but I was still mocked regardless. Funnily enough I wasn't complaining about women wanting me, I was afraid of women. Afraid of the laws and being falsely accused, and the only people that accepted that fear were others who were just as angry as me. I was shoved into that role due to prior conditions I couldn't control, until amber heard that is. Then everyone suddenly turned a new leaf on the subject, but Im still stigmatized lol. Social standing, how people judge you, matters truly so much. That belief doesn't come from nothing, it's not as simple as "addressing your own issues". That only changes when there's a proper support network to get out of your own head, and that comes when people start to understand. Take it from someone whos suffered that very personally.
@@Trix78415 And beyond all this, they have that entitlement where they believe they deserve something just because they were “nice.” Not wanting to believe that true generosity never seeks anything in return. Tragic.
All this death and distraction happened because one “man” couldn’t learn to love himself for who he really was, and that inner struggle became a massive bloody war that would’ve lasted for years. Be kind to others but also be kind to yourself, there’s a balance in that and it’s there for a reason.
The worst part about it is if he had ever had the courage to ask the magic woman how she felt, he would have been told that he doesn't need to change himself to be loved.
He would not kill the General as he desired to make him suffer by destroying both worlds. Leaving his human with nothing and belonging nowhere like him. Slaying him before then would be robbing the nowhere king the ability of making the general suffer as well as dying too.
Such a powerful message in this show. Horse was indeed right, love does not mean going so far as to abuse power and even hurt and kill innocent people. And here’s my thing… if the general side really loved her, his reaction would look more like horse and rider reuniting… he doesn’t seem genuine at all, he manipulates her.
The way the nowhere king bows his head and accepts his fate earlier but the woman can’t bring herself to do it is directly contrasted with how the General runs like a coward and the woman kills him without hesitation.
Seriously, been trying to get my parents to watch it and get the whole brunt of “whole shit what is this thing imma have nightmares the rest of my life” and it’s hard cause it starts pretty goofy overall, but the villains are soooo good and the ending is 🤌
I love how in this scene even Becky Apples has a look of utter disapproval on her face. Even with the amount of lives she took without mercy in what resulted in some of the darkest jokes in the season, she still recognizes the unjustness of the damage the general caused without hesitance.
@@sadnessonice6930 maybe not "blames her" but he does seem to use his love for her as an excuse given how he tries to reason with her. He doesn't seem to see himself as a villain in this situation.
@@sadnessonice6930 ignore that asshole, he blames her in the rift episode. When the nowhere king says to the woman “you did this to me, but I forgive you” or something like that. It’s as she’s trying to kill him the first time in season 1
He split himself from his animal side and now both halves are at war. She's so in synch with that horse that they are basically one. Nice bit of symbolism there.
I'd snap too if a dude literally tried to make ME the sole reason for a friggin war. Imagine how many deaths he caused and just tried to lay them at her feet in the name of "love". So messed up.
@@serronserron1320 Okay so, you find out your husband lied about who he was and started a war with his self created closet monster and got others killed in the process. You try to fix the problem and end up flung into a much safer world, far away from your manipulative, crazy, liar of a husband and the war he created. How is your first response anything but KEEP THE BAD THINGS LOCKED UP FAR AWAY FROM THE SAFE PLACE! If he was willing to kill and lock away the other half of himself to keep her, what's stopping him from locking her up as some sick trophy?
Personally i didnt see it as such when i watched it...? i didnt see him saying this is your fault like NWK. just he did it because he wanted to tell her how he feels or what ever... thats "Cause of his Feelings" and wants based on them, NOT cuz of her. if someone said that i wouldnt feel like they were blaming me unless they said "i did this cuz of you"
@@AlphaTengua it's not really that I saw it as blaming, rather it was just an inexusable explanation for all the terrible stuff he's done coupled with a phrase that brought back so much pain for the Sorceress. She tried so hard to love him, and all she got back was destruction.
@@hariman7727 "He had it comin'" "He only had himself to blame" "If you'd have been there" "If you'd have seen it" "I betcha you would have done the same"
@@TheDerpyDunsparce The message of Chicago is to use other people for your own Advantage which is exactly what the General did. Those ladies in the prison are all parasites including the main character
The General got what he deserved! He himself caused this war right from the beginning along with his true self “The Nowhere King”, but the General started it and made him the the monster who is now. The General may have had the guts to fight monsters but he’s a real coward to save himself by letting his counterpart live and let others die over the years just to save himself, and Horse is right, if he truly loved the Woman he would’ve gave himself up to save her and everyone but he never did, because he only cares about himself the way he looks and betrays and kills people who trusted him, trying to kill the Nowhere King. He was never a real leader, a real leader would’ve sacrificed himself to save everyone they claim to love. Horse is the one true leader who’d do anything to save her friends and everyone from a terrible fate other than letting others die to save herself.
@@Master-Works Dude, is responsible for the death of two universes worth of people on opposing sides of a war he caused. If it didn’t go that far I could see reasoning. That’s why Woman _kills_ him she’s supposed to be Queen. But, from jump since the separation… the General wanted his Elk half dead, destroyed, or disposed of. The Elk initially wanting to undo his mistake, lost his mind and went on a rampage because it rationalized that suffering was it and by extension the General’s only lot in life. Woman _could’ve_ loved him, but that was back when he was a centaur… but he never had the guts to see past himself not being human. He’s crossed a moral event horizon. He’s too powerful to be regulated, too unhinged and dangerous to be trusted, and even if he were to be redeemed… The countless lives both the General and Nowhere King destroyed, devoured, and ended for a love whose foundation was born of lie is not worth a single redemption. After all that you want him to just… walk? Feel bad and… just go? No. All the pain he’s caused is permanent and it cannot be undone by any good intentions he has for the future.
Tbh I think the nowhere king started this war since, let's face it, suicide is extremely scary. So he wanted to cause as much suffering as possible to get himself killed somehow. He even bowed down WILLINGLY for the woman to kill him ready and happy to die by her hands.
@@Master-Works true but I think he wanted to go out on his own terms. He resisted rider and she missed the killing blow. With the woman her bowed showing what i assume is the spot he can be killed.
i know its not very lovey dovey feeling or loving , to others around them - but one can certainly "love" someone and do such actions but reasons differ. Like if it was to save the one the ones they loved or mad cuz something bad happened to the one they loved, or they loved someone and did no harm to them just didnt love other people. you can also feel love for someone at some point and not end up showing it or being very loving...imho and experience.Like i know my dad loves me or he wouldnt have helped me so much in life and provided me food and shelter and stuff ...but he wasnt always good or loving towards me/didnt always express it well and still struggles sometimes. Sometimes we need to be more realistic and understanding while not allowing or getting trampled on. :),,
I remember seeing the scene where the Woman can't bring herself to kill The Nowhere King, even though he was offering to let her do it. It wasn't because he was remorseful. It was manipulation. He was using her sympathy against her. If she killed him, hey fine, he hated himself (on 2 levels) so he would be getting what he wanted. If she spared him, oh good, she loves him and he can have the woman he always wanted. But despite the latter happened... she left him, he was still a monster who took countless lives and ruined others. And the General? The General is no different. Keep in mind, these two are both halves of the same coin. They may act different, but they still have similar ideas (such as, y'know, destroying lives bc of their self-hatred issues?) Much like NWK, General figured he could manipulate the Woman's emotions just like his other half... This time, she refused to be fooled, and decided not to run away. The General represents the fear of death, Nowhere King represents the welcoming of it thus why he did nothing to stop her. In the end, both accepted their fate.
I love her scream with full of rage. Its so real. And also like the fact that NWK didn't do anything to stop her while she was charging to the general. He just let things finally come around.
I don't know if this is a popular theory between how similar the General and Rider's appearances are, the look the Sorceress makes when she sees the injured Rider, and the limited sense of timeline we have for the war makes me wonder if there's a possibility that Rider could be the General and the Sorceress's daughter.
Honestly, I could definitely see that, especially considering Rider's Centaurworld hair change at the very end, and how it sort of resembles the Sorceress' hair in a way.
I think the creator said that the similarities between Rider’s and the General’s design were intentional, as a way of showing how much Rider idolized him and even looked up to him as a father figure. That being said, I still the think the similarities are TOO much for that, and Rider could totally be his daughter. The only problem with this theory is the timeline of events, but the timeline is a little messy in the actual show so idk
"I only did all of this to tell you I love you." I haven't seen the show and yet even I know there had to be a better way. And if not, you should've had faith that she knew without words. The road to hell isn't just paved with good intentions, but with naive desires too.
I like how shocked she was when she saw rider stabbed, she didn’t see the man she loved anymore, she saw a horrid man, someone who would do anything to get what they wanted. And after he lied to her again, she couldn’t take it
He made a mistake the moment he separated his two halves. People who truly love you will love the real you. But when he split himself, he ruined his chances of ever truly being loved.
I like that it's clear Horse is talking about the General. Because a part of the Nowhere King still DOES love her. Not in the healthy way, but love nonetheless.
@@angela.luntian They're the same person/personality split into two separate bodies. It's the same self loathing and selfishness, just in different circumstances, and both halves end up hurting others in the process.
@@hariman7727 they are the same person, but the general was cowardly and egotistic, while the elk was self-loathing and kind-hearted, but in the end, became sadistic.
I like to imagine that Becky Apples was the Woman’s horse before she was trapped in Centaurworld. No one else in the show was ever able to work with Becky, but here we see her working with the Woman easily. In a way, the Woman and Becky mirror Horse and Rider: the Woman’s choice to seal off the realms, losing access to her loved ones to save them from the nightmare king, mirrors Horse’s decision to enter the nighmare king’s backstory, losing the people she loved to hopefully spare them from the nightmare king, while Rider and Becky are the ones left behind to fight the war in their absence, working together but not ever really finding that bond again. I think it adds a lot to the Woman’s reaction here, as well as back in season 1 because it means she is the only person who truly understands Horse’s bond with Rider, and the pain of her loss
Given the General said she was Gary's horse I don't think she is. He'd have no reason to lie about that. Now why Becky works with her, well my guess is Becky can tell how much she's been fighting and respects her.
The part of my brain that finds a woman who would and could kill me if I leave my logical moral behind is more attractive then I thought it would be Because I know I could be worse then I’d want to be
people saying those who can't love themselves can't love another.. it doesnt apply here he loved someone else and he hated himself for it. love was a poison for em effectively
The elk and the general were the same person and the general no matter how much he tried to kill that part of himself that he hated so much he would always come back he had to live with him it’s kind of poetic to be honest
@@jerzusaddenda9581 the reason why it is rated y7 is because Netflix is staffed by other idiots who don't understand what age appropriate is, or it is staffed by people who like children in all the wrong ways. It's good because there's a lot of character work in worldbuilding behind the cartoony silliness, and some really fantastic animation. Separate studios Drew both of the two different styles of animation, including separately animating parts that are interacting through the entire series, or at least multiple episodes.
I think that, the general was indeed broken by being connected to the Nowhere King. Both of their hearts were emptied over time...by the torture the Nowhere King went through. He ultimately did it all to himself...and I couldn't be sadder for it.
She snapped because he tried to use his love for her as any justification for the horrors in his wake. As if any of it was beyond his control. As if "I love you" just wipes the slate clean. Horse is right. That isn't what love looks like.
They weren’t friends. They hated each other. I think it was like a metaphor for self loathing, since they were two halves that split from the same centaur. Beast half and human half. At first I thought it was a good/evil kinda deal with the typical “humans are the true monsters” cliche. But no. They were both pretty terrible. Then I thought it was a “we’re more than the sum of our parts” situation. But, also wrong. They both had the same personality and memories of their original self and both would’ve made the same bad decisions if their roles were reversed. He may have been sympathetic, but there’s no denying that their original centaur self….. Just freakin’ sucked. So naturally so do these guys.
The Black Cauldron was one of Disney's biggest flops but these days I think it's finally had its revenge in being more influential than most other films from the company.
I had a headcanon for a potential fanfic, that the General and the Woman did have a daughter during their ten years of marriage, but she was an early casualty of the Minotaur War.
Despite on the black gunk the nowhere king didn’t seem like he wanted to be alone with no purpose in the end. I find the nowhere king my favorite deer monster villain even I like the song.
This all boils down to a quote I've heard many times by many people; "How can you love someone else if you can't even love yourself?" Elktaur was so insecure he allowed himself to be consumed by his fears and did the unspeakable to change who he was without even first trying to see if she would have accepted him as he was. Had he been true to himself he could have had a lovely life filled with joy. The Nowhere King is the only side that has retrospective though, but only because he is the side that drew the short stick. The General succeded and proceeded to have an overinflated ego that masked the paranoia still lingering within him. This shows by his desperation with Elk. He wanted him disposed of so he could never look back at what he considers imperfection. Had Elktaur given himself a pep-talk and learned to accept himself as he was, none of these events would have happened. All it took was one mistake. Be kind to yourselves, everyone.
He didn't love the Woman, that was an obsession. Rather he loved himself, because in his mind he believed himself a perfect version of the freak on 4 legs.
I think it's fitting that it was a horse that kicked the general to his death. A kind of irony, seeing as the general was constantly running from his animal side of himself.
Looking back at this scene, I'm surprised how The Nowhere King didn't tried to intervene when The Woman pushed the general off of the cliff...after all, his own existance is connected to the general's life.
What really goes under rated here is how TNK was happy as his other half fell down the cliff. And the moment he hit the ground TNK felt the pain as shouted in relief that his own death was near. TNK was a villain but all he wanted was to ether be whole or die. And he would go to any length to force his other half into those outcomes.
I like how the woman hesitated when trying to kill NWK but didn't hesitate to kill the General.
Because it was the part she loved.
@@wordplayreviews8818 Plus, it was sort of cute in a horrifying way
She hesistanted. She was moving away from him, but she snapped when General said he has to be alive because he loves her. All this time, the man can just off himself and kill the Nowhere King, but he didn't. And he kind of blame her on why he doesn't want to die.
The Nowhere King became a monster because of the General
Yeah, you know someone's a complete piece of shit when the horrific Elk Blob Monstrosity is the NICE ONE compared to the two.
"Now, more suffering. It's all that's left for us."
That line never fails to intrigue and chill me.
I keep repeating that part , it's so powerful for a reason I cannot explain, maybe becouse of the voice actor or the tragic backrounds with TNK
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@@DevilRaptorB He's punishing the General, his other half, for what's been done. But everything was by his own choice. Nobody made him create the minotaurs. Nobody made him abuse the magic of the key until it rotted the flesh from his bones. He's punishing himself for his own awful choices. It's like a physical representation of the cycle of self-hatred.
Just shows you that NWK and the general aren't redeemable.
I love how The Woman’s expression changed when she saw Rider. Sure, throughout the first season she kept trying to prevent their reunion, but she didn’t do it because she’s evil or selfish. She did it to protect *both* her worlds, and felt the same about her husband before his betrayal was found out; she couldn’t bear being separated, but like horse at the end of season 1, she knew it was necessary.
she deserves the general cuz she's an evil like him
@@serronserron1320 dawg she's a victim💀
@@serronserron1320 She's not evil at all, she just wanted to do the lesser evil and most good of keeping the NWK imprisoned.
Agreed, I think they made a wise decision to just show her expression change while not saying anything
She says nothing to the General while she and Jenny Apples knock him off a cliff
She's done talking.
@@Readasaur Becky apples: the living incarnation of silent violence
The show's creator confirmed what the Elk and the General are not "The Good Side/Ying" and "The Evil Side/Yang" of the Centaur, but simply the the "Elk" and "Human" separated of the Centaur but "Equally in Emosions and Inteligence of Centaur"
Meaning what even if the Elk were the Human and the General the Elk, then the results would always have been the same.
The General is evil not because He's the Centaur's evil side, but rather because both the General and the Elk are what the Centaur would have evolved on either situtation.
In escence, He/They were always very selfish and self-destructive and unnable to love Himself.
ie: the only difference is their circumstances. The elk would have done the exact same things as the general if he were the more fortunate half.
Yup. Totally agree with that too. He was always so unhappy and hated himself. Human or elk, his selfishness and personality would have lead to the same outcome no matter what. Besides the theory that nwk is the good side is wrong anyway 😂😂 how in the world is nwk the good part of him? Doesn’t make sense 😂 he was always the same selfish hateful person. It’s just that now it’s two instead of one, causing double damage. Even if he hadn’t done what he did, their relationship wouldn’t last anyway due to his intense self hatred and prejudice, together with his selfishness and lack of empathy.
@@foxyloxyBABE People tend to say that cause they sympathise with the Elk part. And find it obsesion with rotten food weirdly endering.
the people trying to say there's a good and evil side were clearly not watching the same show cause how do you even come to that conclusion
Is that a direct quote from the creator? Someone should teach them how to spell emotions and intelligence, if so. Also, you spelled essence and unable wrong.
I love how she didn’t hesitate to kill the General but couldn’t kill the Nowhere King.
Well the Nowhere King/Elk had always been honest with her, while the General had been lying to her.
I mean, the General had plenty of chances to stop the Nowhere King. He chose to prolong the war to save himself.
that's cringy as hell
@@laraycrenshaw5908 who
no I mean who asked you
@@UltraLulz you did by saying something cringy.
Funny how he always believed that the "beast" was their animalistic side. The Nowhere King only became "evil" to stop a greater one, the General never cared about anyone except his own selfish desires.
In the end, they were both the beast. One literal the other metaphorical.
The Woman is almost like him
@@nathancaldwell5443 killing the general was justice. Killing the nowhere king was mercy
@@nathancaldwell5443 The Nowhere King was wronged by the General, but that doesn't excuse all the death and destruction he caused in both the Human World and Centaurworld. The General secretly enabled all of this to preserve his own life for he can't kill the Nowhere King without killing himself. Both of them were responsible for such horrible tragedies.
@@ryanw5500 The elk was only as guilty as the ignorant Elktaur he was. His still humbled perspective after the transformation, gave him more clarity and the healthier intent to reunite. It's the imperfect side of him that could've helped him become his best self if the split failed.
It's the redeeming side of him that get's literally dehumanized beyond hope before ever giving in to what it did. The general was an ego spoiled rotten for how he tarnished the life he always wanted. He didn't have the troubled side of himself that people need to face/accept in order to grow. He's guilty but mechanically speaking, it makes sense why he was so selfish a dividend.
But the Nowhere King's manipulation of the woman? The elk was still the bright rift-worker Elktaur he was before. She married the general (Correct me if she did know of the elk before she released him). I mean how was the general supposed to keep the elk as alive and healthy as himself to prolong their lives if elk committed suicide or was eaten by something? It was a human clone of him, no longer him, and someone he was just getting close to as Elktaur, the general outright doing what he did to him.
The Nowhere King lied, manipulating the mysterious woman like he did, in the sense he knew better that they'd have never have had a thing as the elk, but carried the attachment genuinely as a way to cope and at least temporarily fill the void. That and he just thought he was right being out for vengeance like he was.
Yes, Elktaur made a foolish mistake, crossing uncharted lines, trying to solve his problems himself because he couldn't trust others. Yes, the elk honestly shouldn't have been a sliver of a thought if it weren't waiting to die too if the Nowhere King ever succeeded in his genocide and still couldn't numb the pain/replace his attachment to the Princess.
..But maybe Elktaur didn't just want respect. I literally don't know lol the general's behavior made it seem like it.
I think many of us, myself included hate the general more for how REAL of an evil he is. The Nowhere King is the sort of evil within fairytales. He's a tormented soul, basically drive completely and totally insane. The General got everything, and to get it without complications, he created TNK. The General impression Elk was also the "First Strike" so to speak, not to mention the attempted drowning moments before. And of course there's the fact that Elk was right, she would have accepted them whole. Elk was simply a better person before giving into grief, the General was basically awful sense his "Birth." If you can't compromise with yourself, then what hope can you ever have for truly caring for others?
They were the same person. Just one got what he wanted while the other didn’t
@@hassanmehdi1714 they only were the same person. I think most of the driving points of the elktaur's personality went into the general. He always wanted to be human. So he cut the rest of himself out. The parts that he personally didn't like, the disassociation the insecurity the part of himself that viewed itself is lesser he left with the elk. While the parts that he valued most, the parts that many of us consider to be the most sinister became the general. The elk was just a poor unfortunate soul who didn't even want to hurt anyone until the general subjected him to years of torture that drove him insane and twisted him into the nowhere King
TNK is not "evil within fairytales" he's a cartoon example of a phenomenon in which the victim of abuse becomes the abuser, another one of these would be Simon or Catra
You can't expect others to love you if you can't even love yourself.
I think thats what we should all take away from this.
@@justsomewritingfan2202 the princess was willing to love elktaur before all this happened. The guy just couldn’t recognize a furry when she was even throwing him a party for opening a door.
It's insane how The General is the egotistical, and self-justifying side that doesn't care who he has to hurt, to kill to get what he wants. The Nowhere King is his self-loath, the drepressed side that wants to make everyone else suffer as he felt. Nowhere King could have fly down and save the general and himslef from the fall, but he didn't. He wants him and himself to hurt, to die
Litterally they are the worst aspects of the elktaur. People might say The Nowhere King is better because at least he is honest and the elk inside him has regret, but he is also hell-bent on causing maximium damage while the general was damage-controlling but not willing to sacrifice his own life.
This is my favorite take☝️ I appreciate how you focus on how both The General AND The Nowhere King are to blame, and at Elktaur as a whole.
You do have a point but 1)letting the world as you know it end because you always have to get what you want and 2) becoming ruthless after a decade of torture that you slipped into because of insecurities is kinda not the same.
@@crazydragy4233 The same? No. But actions that both ought to be held accountable for? Yes. They both took it upon themselves to involve thousands (maybe more) of innocent lives in their own personal bullshit.
The death of Elktaur, in all its pitiful sadness, was the epitome of justice being served.
It's because they are incomplete, elktaur split himself in two, his animal side, wild and emotional, and his human side, focussed and cold, they needed each other for balance because they were both incomplete, a good person is only good because they think and feel weighing their choices against each other for not only themselves but for others, only when driven by either emotion or logic do our actions truly become "cruel"
@Ellmesviel Actually, that’s only partly true. Elk and General were still the same person, with the same personality. The only difference is that Elk got to live a horrible life, diving through dumpsters as the thing he wanted to get rid of, his “beast side”, whilst General, free from Elk, got his happy life with the Woman. Every action the two of them have done are exactly the same Elktaur would have, the General’s actions if Elktaur got what he wanted, to be human, and the Elk if Elktaur didn’t get what he wanted, and instead fully became what he hated about himself.
This was all Elktaur guys.... not just the general.
If he hadn't split his 2 halves none of this would've happened.
Seeing how the general treated elk just goes to show how much Elktaur hated his centaur half.
No himself he never accepted himself or who he was and because of that everything just spiraled into such a horrible tragic mess
i think the important thing to understand, that a lot of people seem to be missing, is that if Elk and the General were switched then he would have done the exact same thing. they're are literally the same person differentiated only by their circumstance. Elk would have done all the same things as the General if he had the opportunity...he DID do all the same things.
@@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945 I agree. It’s easy to look at them at two different characters but they are the same
It rlly feels like ppl try 2 make Elktaur their "sorry little innocent boy" by pitting everything on General, when they're the exact same person. The elk/NWK rlly only wanted 2 go back bc he didn't like living as a regular animal. I absolutely get how u can feel sympathetic for him, but the General wasn't a selfish dude who hated himself so much he started a war, *The Elktaur was*
@@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945 "if" doesnt matter. Potential to do something is a myth until it ceases to be.
I would like to note something...before the general made his half-hearted declaration of love, we're given a scene with the key just around the woman's waist. It was then General, sounding pretty desperate in my opinion, tried to 'convince' her that all of this was for him to find her and say 'I love you'. He even points his sword at her during this speech which struck as odd to me. Even if the situation looks bad, you wouldn't point a weapon so carelessly and possibly dangerously at the person you claim to love. While there might be a kernel of truth behind the General's words, his tone reeks of desperation and fear. He doesn't want to go back to being Elktaur
I think General knew that the Woman was planning to use the key and was trying to find an opening so that he could snatch it away and secure his existence's safety. He was betting on that the Woman still had feelings for him, that would get her to drop her guard and get his hands on the key. They were in love once after all, heck they got married.
But the woman saw through this. the 'truth' was staring at her amongst the dead bodies on the field and a severely injured Rider. And living in Centaurworld, she probably witnessed firsthand at what the Nowhere King did to the innocent folk of that world, if not the traumatic aftermath. The woman despite being broken shell of what she used to be, does care about others very deeply, unlike the General who abused his other half Elk, started a war with himself, got hundreds if not thousands of people killed, and STABBED RIDER IN THE BACK! Everything the General did, he did for himself.
And here's the General telling her that all of this was 'for her', because he 'loved her'. And thus she pushed the General off the cliff.
You are absolutely right 100% its so true. Also i think she snapped because in his desperation he basically turned the blame for the endless war on HER, he said "I only did all this so i could live to see YOU" which combined with what you said, paints a picture of a man who cannot and will not ever admit his faults. In his desperation to restore HIS peace, he insulted the woman he claimed to love. And she knew. That was her tipping point. If she didnt take him down now, then she would just be prolonging this situation for someone who couldn't even properly feel remorseful.
@@WannabeWarbler oh shoot i didn't see that until now! You're 100% right too.
I'd also like to point out that while he said he loves her he wasn't even trying to feign a smile, or even look concerned in the slightest. his facial expression was neutral at best.
Consider what the Nowhere King does after the General falls off the cliff, and remember that what happens to one happens to the other. You ever wonder what falling off a cliff does to the human body? *It isn't pretty.*
The kick alone probably broke multiple ribs and either his sternum or his spine, even through armor.
And maybe I’m wrong, but he probably couldn’t completely die as the connection to the NWK goes both ways and the NWK was still “alive”
Not that he didn’t deserve it
Sadly they had to censor it so when she came down to reunite the bodies, his body was still intact,
A puddle of blood and bone chunks
i would recon what we see when he becomes a mass is the broken body of the human, and the gass? his dieing breath. its only when they become whole does he live agian, both versons must DIE for the whole to live. i think it s acool consept anyway. it jsut feels liek a toxic exhale, why else would he do that? his generals dieing breath seems fitting for me.
Horse was afraid that the woman she cared most for wouldn't accept her for who she had become but still chose to face her and find out. The NWK/General was too afraid to even ask the woman he cared most about to accept him.
Horse discovered and embraced that there could be more people out there to love and cherish beyond the bond she made with her rider. The NWK/General decided that everyone else could go to hell so long as he could get to his woman.
Horse was initially distraught over what she had become but ultimately realized her new body fit this new version of her. In a much more twisted way The NWK did too.
I had no idea when this show started what a great foil the villain would be for this show's protagonist.
The part that still fascinates me is how well Horse and The Nowhere King serve as sort of inverted mirrors of one another...and yet they barely interact at all in the series. She meets him once in the rift and again on the battlefield, and both times he doesn't really view her as anything significant.
As much as I hate the general, remember The Nowhere King is equally to blame. The creator of the show stated that they're not Ying/Yang or Good/Bad, they're both elktaur just in different circumstances and that if TNK was the one in the human body and The General in the Elk the same would've still happened.
I feel like Becky Apples wanted to do that to him for a long time. 😂
That gorgeous fancy schmuck! 😂
When the Woman turned her reigns and began charging General, you can almost hear her screaming to herself “FINALLY!”
Clearly 🤣
Makes you wonder if Becky Apples knew his secret. She is implied to have killed Gary, which makes me wonder if the General had had Gary killed
Becky would probably do that to anyone just because
For those who feel remorseful for Elktaur, you are right to feel so. But you also have to remember despite originally being a good guy with good intentions who just wanted to be loved, he is at fault for the deaths of thousands and for causing a war. He himself and his two halves are to blame for all of this chaos. There were a million different alternate routes he could’ve taken to avoid this outcome yet he chose not to. He hated himself so much he literally ripped who he was apart instead of just having the courage to tell her how he felt and it turns out she really would’ve accepted him for who he was. He let his insecurities get the better of him and he ended up not only harming himself, but also her and countless others. He made a fatal decision by letting his inner demons come to life (literally) and they caused so much chaos and discord it effected not one, but two worlds forever. What a tragic character bro… but at the end of the day this was the right course of action.
I honestly don't feel bad for him at all. He was too stupid to realize the Princess WAS interested him, had real disdain for his fellow Centaurs despite the "prejudice" they suffer from humans (that we NEVER see), and ultimately never seemed to factor in others in his actions or even care.
"You ruined my kingdom, my people, everything I loved in both worlds, and worst, the one I truly loved. Your death is my act of mercy."
She knows he's full of it because he literally just said he "HOPED" she was alive, he couldn't possibly be motivated by love for her if he thought she was alive but never tried to get through the portals.
He couldn’t get through without the key parts from CentaurWorld
@@milogop3574 That is, if he thought she was alive, he'd have to assume she was trapped there and so she'd be trying to escape, but instead he leaves her trapped there without telling anyone the truth about any of it. But since he assumed she was dead (or as good as dead), he couldn't have been staying alive for her sake.
@@tatertots3337 He literally sent Rider to get the key part at the start of the story. There's plenty to criticise him for but he pretty clearly was trying to get his hands on them.
Lesson: don't make your lack of self love literally everyone else's problem
His human half is a real fool for showing his love to her now and he should have accepted his truer form while he had the chance to
It’s true, but if he was more open to her maybe it could’ve gone much better
Also in there part of the last lullaby when he calls her my love she gets angry and uses her magic to lift him up and them throw him down. You would think he would have learned not to use the L word again after falling off that cliff.
He was also a coward, if he really loved her he’d give himself up to save everyone from getting killed, but he never did! Horse is right, the General doesn’t know the first thing about love and never will.
@@stellargamer4852 The Woman is disgusting. I dislike her greatly
@@skyfaller3d417 What does that have to do with the Woman?
I love how the NWK always stops his movements and turns his full attention to her. I mean in the first scene in the void the NWK would've let her kill him, so it's really interesting how the general called him "black mirror" but the "mirror" has more remorse and feelings then the general ever had.
Just in the regarding to the woman being honest was the Nowhere king who started the war and kidnnaped, mutated and killed people to share his misery.
I don’t know if it’s so much remorse so much as actively wanting to die.
I love the depiction of the toxicity and self loathing and how it very much shows that the backlash can affect others in the worst way. It reminds me alot of "nice guys" who are at their core self hating, they truly hate themselves the most based on their looks and not being able to "get the girl". But no matter how broken their stories are, it shows when he finally got what he wanted I.E "the body, the separation of everything he hated" it wasn't enough for him. That self hatred never truly went away and it ended up consuming him in the worst way. Tragic but very realistic of the human condition.
why did the trope use the term nice guy?
@@serronserron1320 I believe it’s because that’s what they would call themselves.
Usually how they look at themselves, "nice guys" that feel like a victim of circumstance or a bad lot in life. However, no matter what they do. They never address the issue inside them. That all encompassing self hatred. They believe themselves to be "kind, generous" and think it's their physical/social standing that is holding them back.
Sometimes they feel trapped by it.
I wouldn't call myself a nice guy, but I know I was considered and Incel by many.
I was put into that place and afraid to seek help because I didn't know where to look or how to address it, but I was still mocked regardless.
Funnily enough I wasn't complaining about women wanting me, I was afraid of women. Afraid of the laws and being falsely accused, and the only people that accepted that fear were others who were just as angry as me.
I was shoved into that role due to prior conditions I couldn't control, until amber heard that is.
Then everyone suddenly turned a new leaf on the subject, but Im still stigmatized lol.
Social standing, how people judge you, matters truly so much.
That belief doesn't come from nothing, it's not as simple as "addressing your own issues".
That only changes when there's a proper support network to get out of your own head, and that comes when people start to understand.
Take it from someone whos suffered that very personally.
@@Trix78415 And beyond all this, they have that entitlement where they believe they deserve something just because they were “nice.” Not wanting to believe that true generosity never seeks anything in return. Tragic.
Yikes. The Nowhere King vomited all of his guts out, probably the same thing that happened to the General when he splattered on the ground.
Nice end
All this death and distraction happened because one “man” couldn’t learn to love himself for who he really was, and that inner struggle became a massive bloody war that would’ve lasted for years.
Be kind to others but also be kind to yourself, there’s a balance in that and it’s there for a reason.
The worst part about it is if he had ever had the courage to ask the magic woman how she felt, he would have been told that he doesn't need to change himself to be loved.
@@hariman7727 Insecurities are powerful things :/
@@crazydragy4233 narcissistic self-destruction and self-loathing are also powerful things.
When you say it like that his story sounds like that of self destruction
@@Rylea-castsfireball It was. He literally destroyed himself over and over in different ways, along with many unsuccessful attempts.
Man, you can tell TNK wanted to do it. I feel like he should have.
He would not kill the General as he desired to make him suffer by destroying both worlds. Leaving his human with nothing and belonging nowhere like him. Slaying him before then would be robbing the nowhere king the ability of making the general suffer as well as dying too.
@@nathancaldwell5443 That's true, but you can't deny he wanted to.
Such a powerful message in this show. Horse was indeed right, love does not mean going so far as to abuse power and even hurt and kill innocent people. And here’s my thing… if the general side really loved her, his reaction would look more like horse and rider reuniting… he doesn’t seem genuine at all, he manipulates her.
The way the nowhere king bows his head and accepts his fate earlier but the woman can’t bring herself to do it is directly contrasted with how the General runs like a coward and the woman kills him without hesitation.
The Nowhere King was the half she truly loved
Can’t believe this goofy musical show about centaurs had one of the most well written villains I’ve seen in a long time.
Seriously, been trying to get my parents to watch it and get the whole brunt of “whole shit what is this thing imma have nightmares the rest of my life” and it’s hard cause it starts pretty goofy overall, but the villains are soooo good and the ending is 🤌
I love how in this scene even Becky Apples has a look of utter disapproval on her face. Even with the amount of lives she took without mercy in what resulted in some of the darkest jokes in the season, she still recognizes the unjustness of the damage the general caused without hesitance.
He blames her the whole time. He puts all the evil he ever did on her and blames her.
where did he blame her? I do not remember this
@@sadnessonice6930 maybe not "blames her" but he does seem to use his love for her as an excuse given how he tries to reason with her. He doesn't seem to see himself as a villain in this situation.
@@sadnessonice6930 then get yourself checked for dimentia
@@HTFFanOfFlaky my god, its a simple question. you don't have to be a rude jerk
@@sadnessonice6930 ignore that asshole, he blames her in the rift episode. When the nowhere king says to the woman “you did this to me, but I forgive you” or something like that. It’s as she’s trying to kill him the first time in season 1
He split himself from his animal side and now both halves are at war. She's so in synch with that horse that they are basically one. Nice bit of symbolism there.
Notice how The Nowhere King didnt even tried to stop the Woman from pushing the General off the cliff. He really wanted to be put out of misery
“Lol” said the nowhere king. “Lmao”
She might have walked away had he kept his mouth shut, but that bullshit rationalization and trigger phrase "I love you" made her snap.
I'd snap too if a dude literally tried to make ME the sole reason for a friggin war. Imagine how many deaths he caused and just tried to lay them at her feet in the name of "love". So messed up.
@@chrisrose9317 The world would be better off without these two beings the general and her. because she is also responsible for the state of the gate
@@serronserron1320 Okay so, you find out your husband lied about who he was and started a war with his self created closet monster and got others killed in the process. You try to fix the problem and end up flung into a much safer world, far away from your manipulative, crazy, liar of a husband and the war he created. How is your first response anything but KEEP THE BAD THINGS LOCKED UP FAR AWAY FROM THE SAFE PLACE! If he was willing to kill and lock away the other half of himself to keep her, what's stopping him from locking her up as some sick trophy?
Personally i didnt see it as such when i watched it...? i didnt see him saying this is your fault like NWK. just he did it because he wanted to tell her how he feels or what ever... thats "Cause of his Feelings" and wants based on them, NOT cuz of her. if someone said that i wouldnt feel like they were blaming me unless they said "i did this cuz of you"
@@AlphaTengua it's not really that I saw it as blaming, rather it was just an inexusable explanation for all the terrible stuff he's done coupled with a phrase that brought back so much pain for the Sorceress.
She tried so hard to love him, and all she got back was destruction.
When your ex gains a horse and a murderous side
"He had it comin'!"
@@hariman7727
"He had it comin'"
"He only had himself to blame"
"If you'd have been there"
"If you'd have seen it"
"I betcha you would have done the same"
@@TheDerpyDunsparce The message of Chicago is to use other people for your own Advantage which is exactly what the General did. Those ladies in the prison are all parasites including the main character
Except for the Italian chick
The General got what he deserved! He himself caused this war right from the beginning along with his true self “The Nowhere King”, but the General started it and made him the the monster who is now. The General may have had the guts to fight monsters but he’s a real coward to save himself by letting his counterpart live and let others die over the years just to save himself, and Horse is right, if he truly loved the Woman he would’ve gave himself up to save her and everyone but he never did, because he only cares about himself the way he looks and betrays and kills people who trusted him, trying to kill the Nowhere King.
He was never a real leader, a real leader would’ve sacrificed himself to save everyone they claim to love. Horse is the one true leader who’d do anything to save her friends and everyone from a terrible fate other than letting others die to save herself.
Why didn’t the Woman try to reason with him? Maybe pushing him off the cliff could have been avoided
@@Master-Works
Dude, is responsible for the death of two universes worth of people on opposing sides of a war he caused.
If it didn’t go that far I could see reasoning.
That’s why Woman _kills_ him she’s supposed to be Queen.
But, from jump since the separation… the General wanted his Elk half dead, destroyed, or disposed of.
The Elk initially wanting to undo his mistake, lost his mind and went on a rampage because it rationalized that suffering was it and by extension the General’s only lot in life.
Woman _could’ve_ loved him, but that was back when he was a centaur… but he never had the guts to see past himself not being human.
He’s crossed a moral event horizon. He’s too powerful to be regulated, too unhinged and dangerous to be trusted, and even if he were to be redeemed…
The countless lives both the General and Nowhere King destroyed, devoured, and ended for a love whose foundation was born of lie is not worth a single redemption.
After all that you want him to just… walk? Feel bad and… just go? No.
All the pain he’s caused is permanent and it cannot be undone by any good intentions he has for the future.
Tbh I think the nowhere king started this war since, let's face it, suicide is extremely scary. So he wanted to cause as much suffering as possible to get himself killed somehow. He even bowed down WILLINGLY for the woman to kill him ready and happy to die by her hands.
@@Catro1000 Getting impaled didn’t kill him the first time
@@Master-Works true but I think he wanted to go out on his own terms. He resisted rider and she missed the killing blow. With the woman her bowed showing what i assume is the spot he can be killed.
I like how even Becky Apples is obviously disgusted when looking at the carnage.
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I like the “oh s**t she’s pissed” look on the general’s face when the woman charges at him.
Horse: That is not what love looks like! (Dead bodies everywhere/war)
Guy: I love you!
Girl: Kicks him to the edge of a cliff "I love you too"
More like "$+:& you you narcissistic bastard!"
i know its not very lovey dovey feeling or loving , to others around them - but one can certainly "love" someone and do such actions but reasons differ. Like if it was to save the one the ones they loved or mad cuz something bad happened to the one they loved, or they loved someone and did no harm to them just didnt love other people. you can also feel love for someone at some point and not end up showing it or being very loving...imho and experience.Like i know my dad loves me or he wouldnt have helped me so much in life and provided me food and shelter and stuff ...but he wasnt always good or loving towards me/didnt always express it well and still struggles sometimes. Sometimes we need to be more realistic and understanding while not allowing or getting trampled on. :),,
I remember seeing the scene where the Woman can't bring herself to kill The Nowhere King, even though he was offering to let her do it.
It wasn't because he was remorseful. It was manipulation. He was using her sympathy against her.
If she killed him, hey fine, he hated himself (on 2 levels) so he would be getting what he wanted.
If she spared him, oh good, she loves him and he can have the woman he always wanted.
But despite the latter happened... she left him, he was still a monster who took countless lives and ruined others.
And the General?
The General is no different.
Keep in mind, these two are both halves of the same coin. They may act different, but they still have similar ideas (such as, y'know, destroying lives bc of their self-hatred issues?)
Much like NWK, General figured he could manipulate the Woman's emotions just like his other half...
This time, she refused to be fooled, and decided not to run away.
The General represents the fear of death, Nowhere King represents the welcoming of it thus why he did nothing to stop her.
In the end, both accepted their fate.
ok, I was not expecting a show named Centaurworld to have such dark moments with a threatening villain
Get him girl
Why didn’t she try to reason with him?
@@Master-Works bruh
@@twist_ending7545 It could have been worth a shot. Then she and Becky Apples wouldn’t have had to push him off a cliff
@@Master-Works well he caused the war that killed a lot of people and centaurs
@@Master-Works and he manipulated her
I love her scream with full of rage. Its so real. And also like the fact that NWK didn't do anything to stop her while she was charging to the general. He just let things finally come around.
I don't know if this is a popular theory between how similar the General and Rider's appearances are, the look the Sorceress makes when she sees the injured Rider, and the limited sense of timeline we have for the war makes me wonder if there's a possibility that Rider could be the General and the Sorceress's daughter.
Honestly, I could definitely see that, especially considering Rider's Centaurworld hair change at the very end, and how it sort of resembles the Sorceress' hair in a way.
I kept thinking that too.
Huh. Now there's a theory.
Rider and the General do look similar.
I think the creator said that the similarities between Rider’s and the General’s design were intentional, as a way of showing how much Rider idolized him and even looked up to him as a father figure. That being said, I still the think the similarities are TOO much for that, and Rider could totally be his daughter. The only problem with this theory is the timeline of events, but the timeline is a little messy in the actual show so idk
"I only did all of this to tell you I love you."
I haven't seen the show and yet even I know there had to be a better way. And if not, you should've had faith that she knew without words. The road to hell isn't just paved with good intentions, but with naive desires too.
I haven't seen Centaurworld in a long time, so this really hits different out of context. It's darker than I remember. Way darker.
I like how shocked she was when she saw rider stabbed, she didn’t see the man she loved anymore, she saw a horrid man, someone who would do anything to get what they wanted. And after he lied to her again, she couldn’t take it
He made a mistake the moment he separated his two halves. People who truly love you will love the real you. But when he split himself, he ruined his chances of ever truly being loved.
The General forgot he was a villain in a Disneyesque animated musical show who was standing perilously close to a high-ass ledge over a chasm.
*If you can't Love yourself, how the hell you gonna Love anybody else*
Science have proven that you can
Ugh, can you imagine? His love was the worst thing that had or could have happened to her.
GET HIM
Why didn’t she just try to reason with him first?
I realised the Woman has magical powers. Couldn’t she have Held the General in Place and used the Key to fuse him whit the Nowhere King?
@@Master-Works not how it works both the general and the monster need consent to merge back
@@choekyigyaltsen7579 The Human from before didn’t show or speak content when he became a Minotaur
I like that it's clear Horse is talking about the General. Because a part of the Nowhere King still DOES love her. Not in the healthy way, but love nonetheless.
The nowhere king and the general are the same person, with the same self-loathing and inability to self-reflect or communicate with others.
@@hariman7727 theyre not the same person. Yeah they are OF the same person but theyre different parts of the elk's being
@@angela.luntian They're the same person/personality split into two separate bodies.
It's the same self loathing and selfishness, just in different circumstances, and both halves end up hurting others in the process.
@@angela.luntian
The show creators literally confirms they are the same person and you saw it 2.
@@hariman7727 they are the same person, but the general was cowardly and egotistic, while the elk was self-loathing and kind-hearted, but in the end, became sadistic.
bro even Becky apples sneered at him.
0:42
I like to imagine that Becky Apples was the Woman’s horse before she was trapped in Centaurworld. No one else in the show was ever able to work with Becky, but here we see her working with the Woman easily. In a way, the Woman and Becky mirror Horse and Rider: the Woman’s choice to seal off the realms, losing access to her loved ones to save them from the nightmare king, mirrors Horse’s decision to enter the nighmare king’s backstory, losing the people she loved to hopefully spare them from the nightmare king, while Rider and Becky are the ones left behind to fight the war in their absence, working together but not ever really finding that bond again. I think it adds a lot to the Woman’s reaction here, as well as back in season 1 because it means she is the only person who truly understands Horse’s bond with Rider, and the pain of her loss
Given the General said she was Gary's horse I don't think she is. He'd have no reason to lie about that. Now why Becky works with her, well my guess is Becky can tell how much she's been fighting and respects her.
Love is a battlefield and sometimes... you lose - Sylvia (WOY)
Im sorry the part where she chases him made me laugh-
Remember when this was a show about a giraffe centaur talking to his farts?
*spoiler below*
In TvTropes, the Nowhere King has *FOUR* character entries!
-The Nowhere King
-The Elk
-The Elktaur
and
-The General
The general at 1:02 with that smile. I’d lose my shit too.
Same
The part of my brain that finds a woman who would and could kill me if I leave my logical moral behind is more attractive then I thought it would be
Because I know I could be worse then I’d want to be
Same here. Always protect and put other ppls safety first esp if u are in a position of power, like him
I've had to change and do the opposite. I've been a doormat for far too many people that just use me
1:25 damn, i wish i could do that
I wish I could vomit out all my anxiety and nasty habits like that.
1:34 Secretive feeling of fearsome hatred that reaches the skies…
people saying those who can't love themselves can't love another.. it doesnt apply here he loved someone else and he hated himself for it. love was a poison for em effectively
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
Thank you Becky apples !!
The elk and the general were the same person and the general no matter how much he tried to kill that part of himself that he hated so much he would always come back he had to live with him it’s kind of poetic to be honest
I love that as soon as Mysterious Woman arrives The Nowhere King just stops, he doesn’t make a single move in her presence
I think I know what series I'll start watching tonight
I just watched the first season and I'd like to ask two questions:
1: Why is it so good?
2: Why seven year old's have the right to watch this?
@@jerzusaddenda9581 the reason why it is rated y7 is because Netflix is staffed by other idiots who don't understand what age appropriate is, or it is staffed by people who like children in all the wrong ways.
It's good because there's a lot of character work in worldbuilding behind the cartoony silliness, and some really fantastic animation.
Separate studios Drew both of the two different styles of animation, including separately animating parts that are interacting through the entire series, or at least multiple episodes.
I love this message. So many “I would die for you” love stories give kids the wrong idea.
I think that, the general was indeed broken by being connected to the Nowhere King. Both of their hearts were emptied over time...by the torture the Nowhere King went through. He ultimately did it all to himself...and I couldn't be sadder for it.
Wonder who he was really running from. Her, or Becky Apples?
My bet is on Becky Apples
Yes.
@@hariman7727 I will never get tired of that joke 😂
Great
Then it proceeds to drop the saddest single known to cartoon kind
The NWK when separating himself told the key to remove the beast in him. The beast part of himself was human.
That's a goddamn skinwalker
God centaurworld is just so crazy good man.
0:03 Tough guy, seen it all, battle hardned, warrior to the end...........Rocks the man bun
Even Becky Apples looked disgusted with him!
1:48 that yell
Gooood, the rage she feels when he tries to pin this on her. Perfect.
General only learn he mess up when both his wife and his favorite horse wants him died.
She snapped because he tried to use his love for her as any justification for the horrors in his wake.
As if any of it was beyond his control.
As if "I love you" just wipes the slate clean.
Horse is right. That isn't what love looks like.
Never mess with a princess who’s riding a horse that has no remorse of killing a man
I find it amusing that this Nowhere King did absolutely nothing to save his friend there lol.
They weren’t friends. They hated each other. I think it was like a metaphor for self loathing, since they were two halves that split from the same centaur. Beast half and human half. At first I thought it was a good/evil kinda deal with the typical “humans are the true monsters” cliche. But no. They were both pretty terrible. Then I thought it was a “we’re more than the sum of our parts” situation. But, also wrong. They both had the same personality and memories of their original self and both would’ve made the same bad decisions if their roles were reversed. He may have been sympathetic, but there’s no denying that their original centaur self….. Just freakin’ sucked. So naturally so do these guys.
The Black Cauldron was one of Disney's biggest flops but these days I think it's finally had its revenge in being more influential than most other films from the company.
And with this clip I am now interested in watching this show
1:13 how can the horse surpass him and go back when there is a cliff there?
I've seen nothing but out of context clips of that show, i'm beginning to think i should watch it
Do you guys think Rider might be their daughter? That’s my theory
Not possible, the rift was closed for 50 years
@@twist_ending7545 true
Rider is like 14-17 years old so that is pretty doubtful
I had a headcanon for a potential fanfic, that the General and the Woman did have a daughter during their ten years of marriage, but she was an early casualty of the Minotaur War.
Becky Apples: best gal pal.
Despite on the black gunk the nowhere king didn’t seem like he wanted to be alone with no purpose in the end. I find the nowhere king my favorite deer monster villain even I like the song.
This is where simping gets you!
1:13 How the fuck did she ride that horse around him when he was on the edge of a cliff? Mfing horse done got coyote time..
rider stay with me
😭😭😭 probably what horse was thinking 😭😭😭
@@ForestRiser014 the moment the general stabbed her in my mind I was saying
“I hope he gets kicked off a cliff”
This all boils down to a quote I've heard many times by many people; "How can you love someone else if you can't even love yourself?"
Elktaur was so insecure he allowed himself to be consumed by his fears and did the unspeakable to change who he was without even first trying to see if she would have accepted him as he was. Had he been true to himself he could have had a lovely life filled with joy. The Nowhere King is the only side that has retrospective though, but only because he is the side that drew the short stick. The General succeded and proceeded to have an overinflated ego that masked the paranoia still lingering within him. This shows by his desperation with Elk. He wanted him disposed of so he could never look back at what he considers imperfection. Had Elktaur given himself a pep-talk and learned to accept himself as he was, none of these events would have happened. All it took was one mistake. Be kind to yourselves, everyone.
He didn't love the Woman, that was an obsession. Rather he loved himself, because in his mind he believed himself a perfect version of the freak on 4 legs.
Becky apples : dam this drama is good
I think it's fitting that it was a horse that kicked the general to his death. A kind of irony, seeing as the general was constantly running from his animal side of himself.
What even was the General's plan? Did he seriously think that he could capture the Nowhere King and lock him up somewhere again?
That may have been his plan, yes.
Looking back at this scene, I'm surprised how The Nowhere King didn't tried to intervene when The Woman pushed the general off of the cliff...after all, his own existance is connected to the general's life.
I don’t think he really wants to live anymore.
What really goes under rated here is how TNK was happy as his other half fell down the cliff.
And the moment he hit the ground TNK felt the pain as shouted in relief that his own death was near.
TNK was a villain but all he wanted was to ether be whole or die. And he would go to any length to force his other half into those outcomes.
Ah so becky is *her* horse. Explains a lot.