Testing New Xeon CPUs for New Servers!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ม.ค. 2021
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Every time you tinker with servers I rethink my setup. Then I remember that I live in an apartment and the noise would drive me mad. I'll live my server tinkering vicariously through you.
true. I got a dell r420 at a reasonable price on ebay in autumn and my apartment was filled with jet engine noises when I turned it on the first time lol. Turns out they like to run their fans at max at all times. When I switched to a moderate fan curve it was a LOT better but still too loud for most people. With headphones it's okay atleast.
I recently picked up a used ASUS Z9PA-D8 (ATX, onboard VGA) combo with 2x 2650s and 64GB RAM for $189 shipped on eBay. It's now my 'new' proxmox 3x GPU passthrough/multi-OS triple 4K workstation. Tower coolers in a regular mid-tower case, very quiet and even under load it's not half as loud as the air purifier running in the room. FirePro W4100s make great productivity single-slot low-profile GPUs for cheap.
Here I am, running a server in the closet under the stairs.
It is noticeable, but didn't drive anyone crazy yet
Get a server cabinet and shove it in your closet.
Noise problem solved.
put bigger fans on everything and use a bigger case and a normal PSU with an adapter if needed they don't have to be loud if you make it a Lil bulky and use fans that are quiet at high RPMs .
RTX voice sounded slightly booty for the first couple cuts, still impressive how much of that server noise it cut out.
Very much so, better than any 500$ plugin I ever used.
But honey, with more servers, I break less stuff you use.
first vid of your's to pop up in my suggestions less than a day after it was uploaded. you deserve more subs. you make things very entertaining, dawg
He definitely does, i learned SO much from his channel on homelab/server stuff, even as an IT tech for years
As usual, great video thanks Jeff. The Sierra Nevada seasonal sounds awesome. I made a Coopers Hazy IPA clone in November and tapped the key just last Wednesday... Sensational. Possibly the best extract kit and closest clone recipe I've ever done. So good I've done a second batch over the weekend because the first key won't last that long!! I wish I could get those same eBay prices you see here in Aus!!
Fascinating content, I'd love to see more on this CPU
@14:30 When you said Anecdotal evidence...
For our big IT customers running VDI, we recommend modern chips with at LEAST 2.5 Ghz because of user experience.
3.0 Ghz and higher being even better.
So yeah, you do notice clock speed changes like this at the desktop.
It sounds like there is a popping noise after you turned on rtx voice
A bit... but better than a server!
Don't worry that's expected, it's just the ray traced audio waves 😂. (RTX voice is awesome tho)
I would rather listen to some slight popping rather than a server next to my desk. Lol
I like how you're making really good use of RTX Voice in these server videos. Even if there's a tiny bit of artifacting, it's great.
It’s just clipping from using too much gain.
I love vids on the Xeons. About a year ago I went with a E5-2690 and paired it with an Intel DX79 motherboard. Very capable chips for how old they are...
I really enjoyed this video! I was really struggling picking a cpu. Thank you
Nice timing. Yesterday I put two E5-2650LV2 10c/20t into one of my Proxmox servers to up the cores (12 to 20) and reduce the power (95W to 70W). Cheers!
Gave a like straight away! hope you and your family stay safe during covid!
I was really disappointed when it faded back from black after the intro and Jeff wasn't a slicktop!
Great build!
Just bought a pair of e5 2660 v3’s 10 core 20 thread at 2.6ghz and a 3.3ghz boost I’m very excited!!!!
Great video as usual. I get to live vicariously through you and not make my wife shut down my eBay account...
Love rtx voice thing is a masterpiece for video game voice chat while u have a fan running
I went from dual e5-2670v0 to quad e7-8880v2. I did all the same on paper comparisons, but for my actual work loads (rendering/encoding) I seemingly went DOWN in performance. So... to ebay I went and got a quadro m2000 and with that I got the gains I was looking for. Also, experienced the same conditions with memory, went from 1600 to 1866. Love the videos! Need more homelab stuffs!
Good choice on the Supermicro X9 range. Very much a bang for buck platform. I went for an X9dr3. CPU wise I got 2x E5-2690 v2. Means for my home lab with vmware has 40 cores and 96g memory and not at the prices you'd expect. I went BargainHardware who did deals to beat ebay prices.
Give this man views and likes to help him justify his Ebay and Servers lol
Keep doing this server stuff. Your guac set up video was great, not only do I use it at home, I set it up at my dad's workplace and my workplace to allow devs to work on systems at work from home cause covid. 👍
That's awesome! Always love hearing about my tutorial videos winding up as solutions like this. Thanks for watching 🙂
Ya they loved my suggestion at work, thought I was some genius for being able to set it all up 😂
Put a coaster under your beer!!!! THAT TABLES SO NICE!!!
Yay! Finally a beer I can actually purchase here in Sweden. Had one of those around Christmas. It is a-OK! 👍🍺
What are your IPA selections like there? Any prominent micro breweries?
Hey Jeff ,long time follower of the channel, first post. I have an HP z620 workstation with a couple e5-2696v2 @2.5ghz base, 3Ghz all core boost (12C/24T 30MB L3 each) , and 128GB DDR3 1866, and the performance is stellar. while is not a 1RU server, it's quite silent (bedroom silent), allows huge expansion internally and they are dirt cheap. Just shy of a 1950X Threadripper performance in Cinebench R23 (15162pts for my couple e5-2696v2s)
Speaking of value CPU probably the E5-2650v2 is better bang than the v1 or the E5-4627 v2, normally faster DRAM clocks too.
i going back in the holodeck where everything works lolz
great video
This channel seems to know exactly what I want... x79 and 2011 socket content galore. I also still dream of the ultimate 2011 chip, and spent way too much time browsing the Intel Ark and then checking prices on eBay. It's almost an addiction (I'll never admit!)... and your videos certainly aren't helping lol.
I would LOVE to see a render farm setup using these old sandy/ivy bridge processors. (This also means you'd get to buy more servers?!)
Also, your beer choices have been on point. Sierra Nevada definitely knows what they're doing.
E5-2697 v2. 12-core, 2.7 GHz base clock, 3.5 GHz boost and decent turbo mapping. It can be quite a power consumptive chip, so be prepared to cool it. A pair is currently going for between $250 and $400 on ebay, so best of luck. Also, if you're looking into SuperMicro motherboards, make absolutely certain that they are either the SSI-CEB, ATX, or E-ATX form factors if you don't want to have to spend hours searching for cases that you'll still have to modify to install the necessary standoffs for their proprietary motherboard form factors. The company I work for still has absolutely loads of servers kicking around with the 4870 v2 and 2670 v2. They're great processors that have had a truly impressive longevity. The only ones I like better for that metric would be the old LGA1567 xeon e5 and e7 v0 chips. They are still perfectly usable despite having launched a decade ago now. It was the introduction of the decacore processor with hyperthreading to the intel platform.
I've been eyeing the 2697v2 for quite some time. Prices have remained very strong on that... one of these nights after some beer and whiskey I'll pull the trigger. Orrrrrrr... go x99.
Until then my 2670 and 1650 will have to do, they've been holding up amazing for so many years I haven't really needed to do anything.
@@Komeuppance If you can swing the price of a pair of chips, some of the SuperMicro C602 or C608 chipset motherboards could provide better bang for your buck than an X99 board that supports the E5 Xeons natively. Just be absolutely certain that the motherboard form factor is SSI-CEB, ATX, or E-ATX, otherwise you will not find a case that supports it natively. You can also consider checking the slot disablement of the boards to see if it will run with a single processor and if the slots available would be adequate for your needs. That way, you could buy one now and upgrade again in the future when your finances allow.
Sausage fingers ftw! btw, during your ad, you can clearly see long it took you to film that part. (The cinebench is a giveaway)
Great info as usual. Are we any closer to the (not really) dual X99 review yet?
Excellent taste in shirts, I see.
Love your sarcastic remarks and ofcourse your work. Big fan sir. Love from India. It's always great to see fellow senior geeks tinkering with servers. Regards. 😊
I'm not really surprised at this result, since you're getting about a 10% IPC uplift from Sandy to Ivy added to the increased clock speed.
Love the Star Trek shirt lol!
Hi - subbed a few weeks back. Brilliant videos and how to's....based on this video and how some cpu's arent meant to work is some servers whats the fastest i can get into my old R720?
Is that a beer in the video? Damn dude...
You did see the name of the channel, right? And the logo? 😉
I rebuilt my server/desktop (back in 2016) with a Xeon E5-2658 V3 (12C/24T). It's been a great CPU!!!! Runs cool and will run 24/7 under heavy load with no problems. Under load (using a 212 EVO), the CPU never goes over 60C. At the time, I paid $170 for it. This was before Ryzen came online. So.... This E5 was a great upgrade to get I7 performance for AMD pricing.
I love your Intel Bunnymens :D
I seen no one said hello so I will. Good evening victor how are you today
I grabbed one of those chenbro servers you featured previously and noticed these while I was looking at the chenbro's. Went through the same process checking to see what CPU's should work and was wondering if the 4 series would actually work since multiproc can be a bit wonky depending on the motherboard OEM. Good to know they do work but I don't really need another server since I already have a v3 machine that will be my vm box. I really dont need another server... But so cheap! You might want to start looking into v3 machines for anything heavy on the processor, prices are really low on the lower end and even the 2678 v3 is a good little CPU for ~$100ish
Maybe this is helpful for you. Im currently running a 2x e5 2690 workstation and the cpus draw at max 135w each, which is exactly what intels sais is there tdp. This workstation previously used 2x 2620, which with their 90w power draw matched there tdp perfectly. A funny thing i found out though is that in another server i messed with, which had 2x 2628l v2, the cpus never reached their tdp of 70w, running a max of somewhere ~ 40W, remind you these are v2 so ivy bridge, while still holding their boost clock consistently. I then installed 2 2637v2s just out of curiosity. These apparently have a rated tdp of 130W (i should mention those are 4c 8t cpus), but again zhe max power draw i saw in hwmonitor was something like 91.something. So yet again way lower than the tdp while holding their clocks. It was then when i looked at these cpus in particular when i found the die is pretty much the same as it is in the i7 3770, both having same core/threadcount and nearly identical clockspeeds, et voila also nearly identical power output in cinebench, 95w that is, just what intel sais the tdp of the 3770 would be. So it seams like while the tdp of the sandy bridge xeons match their real power draw, things look a lot different for their ivy bridge models, having power draws much lower than their tdp. I guess it was done to let their newer cpus be placed in the same power categories as their previous v1 chips. Long story short, i think your v2 chips do exactly what their supposed to do, its just their tdp that is set too high:)
Hope i could help someone with my little story 😂
Hey Jeff. What is the name of the jazz group that plays in your videos? Each video you produced with the jazz group is quite relaxing.
For single-threaded load performance on 2011 v1/v2 socket servers I use the E5-2637v2. It turbos to 3.8Ghz, has 130W tdp, 4C/8T, and go about $35-40 the last time I bought them on ebay.
Love your videos. I have a server addications too lol... any advise on motherboard choice for 2 x e5-2620 v4. I also have a 16 x 16gb ECC RAM and Chenbro 23808 8 bay chassis. Thank you in advance
I've got that problem with eBay at the moment too. Want to turn my current tower server into a rackmount for my new rack, so looking at chassis.
Had to use all the willpower at my disposal to not buy the 3x IBM x3550 m3's with dual x5650s and 64GB RAM for AUD$120 each, shipped, that popped up the other day. To use as a lab.
Been wondering how to get past the Sandy-Bridge level without breaking the bank (in other words, the dreaded wifey veto), hadn't thought to look at the 4-socket SKUs... nice find. With all the CPU architecture-level flaws out there now, you might actually be more secure without hyper-threading anyway, heh.
*Man ................ that's one EPYC server !*
;-)
The X56xx CPUs are Westmere-EP, not Nehalem.
Also, for reference, I have a pair of E5-2670v2 (115 W, 2.5/3.3 GHz, 10C/20T), with 1600 MT/s RAM I have in CB20: 239 single- and 5252 multicore, and in CB15 108 single and 2438 multicore. These CPUs go for around $50-55.
I would like to see comparison of low power, normal and high TDP chips as you suggested. Because even I'm confused on numbers that you shown...
Hi Jeff! Speaking of gameservers... A couple of days ago I picked up my very first server (yay). It's a dell R720 unit with 64Gb 1333MHz RAM and two E5-2650v2s. Since the ram hasn't arrived yet I unfortunately haven't been able to test anything. Do you think, that the 2650v2 is sufficient for gameservers (especially minecraft since it only uses one core)? I figured, that, since it turbos up to 3.4GHz, it should suffice.
The advantage of these old xeons is not clockspeed but price, RAM capacity support and Registered ECC support. Also you get a lot of PCI-e lanes and cache.
Nice slacker!
CPU wattage draw is dependent on the workload as well as frequency and load. Recently I was benching my 3950x, and in cinebench R20/R23 I would see a max of 145-150 amps in spikes, 135ish amps continuous over a run. Switching to prime95, one of its workloads could push the CPU to a continuous 165amps. If you watch your monitoring program as prime runs the self test mode, you can see it switch between the various workloads based on the power consumption/CPU freq/CPU temp. Try Prime if you want to see those CPUs hit 130W in HWinfo. In my testing, my highest power draw was at 4Ghz all core whereas one of the lighter prime95 workloads would run at 4.2 all core, but pull half the power draw (~80amps), while still registering as 100% CPU use.
A render build would be cool to see with those
Hi Craft Computing. Thank you for the great content. I would love to buy a 1 or 2U server to run kubernetis in my home. My main requirements is low budget, low noise and not power hungry, small form factor and most threads as possible 1 or 2 cpus). I would love to hear your recomendations? Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Great video. I think I missed the model number of the motherboard. I noticed you don't take any anti-static precautions and happily touch the connection pads on the CPUs etc. Obviously this never rcaused a problem for you.
You need a pair of Kill-o-watt meters then run both test machines over a given timed task. Could the Power supply be the choke point for the extra watts?
I'm actually going to be building my first home server soon. I picked up a dual-socket LGA2011-3 board from Asus and one E5-2698 v4 with 64GB of ECC registered RAM. I wanted the opportunity to upgrade in the future by adding a second processor, RAM and cooler. In the end, though, I've spent more than I needed to just to avoid the associated noise and cumbersome form factor of an existing decommissioned server. Moral of my story thus far: if you have the space for a rack and you need server-grade equipment, just buy a rack and some decommissioned servers. It's so much easier and foolproof.
Also, when picking out the intel chips you want, don't forget to pull up the Wikipedia List of Xeon Processors, since the tables in the page include helpful information like core turbo state configurations, which can be incredibly impactful when the chips run too hot or just have too many cores to maintain an all-core max turbo. Something to note: the Wikipedia tables do not make a distinguishing indication between the v0 and v1 revisions of these processors, so it can be a bit confusing, and detrimental to your plans, as they are on different sockets and chipsets. easiest way to remember is that v0 was on LGA1567 and even the best processors are cheap as hell because the motherboards don't fit in anything, and the v1 is the first generation on LGA2011.
Now this is Homelabbing!
Maybe try out those 4 way Xeons in a 4 way xeon setup :-)
For your problem with the single threaded minecraft server their is a forge mod called MCMT its works just fine with other mods and all kinds of weird loads (mostly so make backups!). I tried it on my 24 thread machine and it works! I saw a huge tps boost and even with 8k mobs it was still 20tps with 60% cpu usage.
In short it makes your minecraft server do fancy multithreading stuff...
I'll definitely look into that. I run a pretty basic Spigot server, but we have upwards of 12-16 people on sometimes. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@CraftComputing Even with only 1-2 users I got a major reduction in usage by switching to Paper. It can be a drop-in replacement for Spigot, but there are additional knobs to tweak if you really want to get the most out of the change.
Redstone especially was much lighter in Paper out of the box, but enabling `use-faster-eigencraft-redstone` was a game-changer - literally.
Serious question e5 2650 v1 of v2. The up in performance seems to be good same power draw. Just wondering if I can drop the v2 into the machinist x79 board from that first homelab video
Are you using Proxmox to load a windows 10 VM on the servers - then run cinebench from the VM?
As an impoverished gamer I'm running a E5-1650V2 in my 'gaming' PC. It's an old HP Z420 and I keep lusting at higher core counts but my current CPU is the sweet spot between core count and single thread (4.1Ghz). On R15 multi thread it's cpu score is 1093 and it's single thread is 144. I've shoehorned an EVGA GTX1080ti FTW3 into the case and its just enough to play all my games but I've just downloaded Control and it's going to be interesting to see if the power supply melts.
Do you think that the missing single-threaded performance might be due to some NUMA configuration? I can only suspect that the thread is on the core of one CPU, but the memory allocation is in the RAM of the other CPU.
I like your shirt! :D
Side question. Are the holodecks self-cleaning of is there a guy with a mop to clean up afterwards?
What happens if you disable 2 threads in CPU-Z multithread bench with these CPU's?
Did you run these benchmarks with InSpectre?
I like seeing the copper blocks too. They remind me of water cooling coldplates.
Check out the new Segway King! Smooth :) Also great video etc, I totally don't need a server, but i REALLY want to build one and get it working just because..... Maybe ill stat with a simple NAS....
Great shirt
I've been going between a pair of E5-4655 v3 QS (135w TDP) and E5-2630L v3 (55W TDP) CPUs in my Dell R730 running Proxmox. WIth the Proxmox CPU governor set to powersave, my idle power consumption (with a few VMs running, under 10% CPU load) between the two solutions is about 10 watts. That's also with the RAM running slightly faster on the 4655 v3 CPUs (2133 vs 1800MHz). Under heavier loads of course the power consumption increases, but as for general 24/7 relatively idle loads there's nowhere near as much of a difference as you might expect.
Jeff, do you update the bios before starting the tests?, if not, can you test if the update changes the performance?
I think it goes up.
In 2020 to run a couple vms what would u recommend just a web developer home lab. I see the 720 are ment to be good but hungry on power
Oh it would be for plex and windows 2019 server as well so need something can do hardware transcoding
I'm determined to use my server in part as a VR system along with streaming throughout my house I've made mine fairly quiet. I'm using a pair of 5690s as they are the most threads with the highest frequency just need a new riser and better cabling to run a full sized gpu like my Radeon 7 that I've retired from my main rig with a 3070.
Are you sure the power supply is enough to supply the needed current for the 130W dual CPUs? My guess is they are limiting to 105W because they don't have enough current to deliver more.
Would intel's tuning software let you check/modify the TDP limit? in software. maybe the bios is bugged?
Was I the only one that thought that after the intro he would be bald 😂
Any thoughts on the e5 2680 v4 for budget servers? They seem to hover around 150 for 2.4ghz 14 core with hyperthreading, 120w tdp, but you have to commit to ddr4 ram, which still has value
My 2x E5 2689 (v1) also throttle back from 130 to 100W after a few seconds on Supermicro X9DRI-LN4F+.
Despite +2 C on the balcony, with -20 C outside.
I guess thats just normal for these high TDP cpus.
If you're looking for something a bit newer, I highly recommend getting into v3 haswell xeon e5s, some of them are dropping heavily in price, and ddr4 and 2011v3 motherboards are getting cheaper.
Especially the Chinese motherboards particularly Huananzhi
Yeah E5-2630 v3 would be a much better deal, and you won't have to throw away your RAM the next time you want to upgrade.
@@iangabrielalcantara7756 yeah, the chinese motherboards are great, but some of the supermicro X10 boards are getting decent. I actually have a guy I buy X99 boards from for pretty cheap to build pcs or servers.
@@legoboy-ox2kx Nice one bro can you refer to me that guy. I want to build a workstation/gaming pc using those Chinese motherboards.
Big fan of the 2660v3 myself. Great performance for the price.
I have one these servers would this be a good candidate for PFsense for a router firewall solution home lab.. one concern I have is longevity, leaving this as a router in a rack for a few years any suggestions.
Why don`t you set the power settings on High performance in Windows before you started cinebench?
I really think a good way to go for a virtualised environment where single thread performance is important would be the 2650 v2. Its 8 cores and 16 threads with a 2.6ghz base clock. At a little under double the price and the same power draw as the v1, I think its a good way to go
i really like using X5675 cpu's in my dell poweredge r610 and r710 servers, there so powerful for 95W cpu's.
Any idea if the E5-2650L V2 is compatible with the Hive Zeus? It is in the same family lower turbo only 2.10Ghz but it is a 10 core with 20 threads.
What size of fans does this unit use? Would it run too warm if the fans were replaced with Noctua fans?
I do use 2x E5-2667 v2 which can boost to 4GHz while still having hyperthreading. Thats the best of both worlds for me personally. That includes a fat load of RAM aswell from a lucky ebay buy of 16x 16G DDR3 RDIMMs from someone from my country (means smaller bullsh* chance)
Where do you think the E5-2689 fits in with these tested options. I ask because it is one of the CPU options that this seller offers for these 1u servers.
Can you please do an updated video on mineos for truenas in 2021? Thanx.
Would be nice to see a budget ryzen 3600 build with ecc ram as well
Yay!!! More Clustering with Proxmox! Still trying to buy a house so i can get some room to set up some more servers to i can play with proxmox clustering
Doing exactly this. Current appartment doesn't allow for servers bigger than 3 really small itx builds. Looking for a new condo in order to have a dedicated "server room" 😅
I have a 6800K that will pull 128W max at 4.0 GHz under full non-AVX load. The TDP is 140W. Right now I'm pondering setting the long duration limit to 65W because it's now in a NAS.
i like my E5-2418L v2 cpus. Of course I am not concerned about single threaded performance as I have everything in either xcp-ng or Truenas Core..:)
The issue with server power draw is as much CPU as it is RAM. ECC registered and buffered RAM runs very hot and sucks a lot power. On my server, I had to put a temperature cap on the. RAM because it would overheat during intense workloads.
Suppose them fans are drawing out, some of that mainboards power, power throttling being the side effect?
The new 2 cpu's are about the same performance of a 5600x? (while having half the single threaded performance?)
Why dont you mount any xeon e5-2600 v3 and bios hack it so you get turboboost unlocked? There are some cpus that have a high turbo speed and you can maintain that turbo boost on all cores with the hack
Running 2667 v2's on my home servers, they're awesome. Most especially for the single threaded as I also have a minecraft server.
Those were also on my list to take a look at 😁
@@CraftComputing I can tell you from my testing that they tend to idle at roughly 25 to 30 watts and at full tilt they pull about 110 watts. Just did an R23 run and two of them got 13030 multi-core and 712 single-core. So take that for what you will.
From one tinkerer to another, love your stuff and keep up the great videos!
As someone with servers and switches in my bedroom I would prefer raw audio rather than the crackle from RTX Voice. But, it does a good job most of the time.
I was rocking a E5 1650 v3 Which is great in an HP Z440... I decide with black Friday and some cheap ram to buy a Asrock b550 motherboard and get a ryzen 4700g with integrated GPU Thanks to that I got 8 cores 16 threads and 128gb of ram with 126gb for the system. In total it was a little spendy with the total system costing 805 USD for the ryzen, the Z440 was 600 with 64 gb of ram and all the parts I used for it. The insane part is the ryzen full system load from the wall is about 58 watts... The z440 just on was about 300 watts and full load was almost 400 watts... The Ryzen system also runs about 2x the speed of the z440 system in multi threaded loads and about 1.5x in single threaded all while only using about 5-15% the power! It is great... Personally I would love 3 other systems and to setup Proxmox cluster along with a mass storage server... I don't think my wife would let me spend another 3k on that though plus the server rack and then I would have to build a server closet... oh well I can dream. One last thing. Where I live the power cost is about .25 per KWH so it was 64.05 USD a month for the Z440 and the ryzen system is 7.14 USD that saves me 682.96 a year !
Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be your essential services you need a home server for, versus for example a workstation PC? Or is it because older, slower, cheaper server hardware serves your needs better?(Edit: You run Minecraft and CS:GO servers. Anything else?). 🤠