The Philosophy of The First Hokage - A Contradiction (Naruto)
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Hashirama was amazing in Shippuden.
I simply think hes an idiot. Then again, who took the position of Hokage and didn't have hes own share of Idiosyncrasies?
Another great video, sage rain
A true God of Shinobi
Sasuke vid when?
The sad thing is that Madara was both right and wrong. He knew that Hashirama's ideal of peace would never work. And he was wrong with Infinite Tsukuyomi
MADARA WASN'T RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING, HE WAS A LUNATIC THAT KILLED PEOPLE THEN TOOK AN L AND COULDN'T HANDLE IT.
@@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 You're just rambling nonsense bro, I bet you didn't even watch the video. Your just another arrogant fool. *You think you get it, but that's different from actually getting it, get it?*
Just asking what was wrong about infinite tsukynomi
What was wrong about Tsukuyomi?
@nashwindsouza8092@@selfimprovement5873 Taking away free will for any reason is very clearly and obviously wrong. Would you sacrifice yours?
Irony is that in hashirama building the village he just repackaged the system in which he was born into
Exactly
How explain
Moreover, the village itself institutionalized it and took it to a next level.
@@lastzulu180 The whole reason he made the village is so kids wouldnt need to kill each other
But the village still did use child soldiers and kills children(Itachi wiping out his clan) to preserve peace
I agree to an extent. He might have repackaged the system, but I’m not sure if such drastic change was capable of happening in one generation. This is why I like Hashirama and Madara’s last talk cause they acknowledge that they couldn’t solve all the problems in the shinobi world single handedly, they needed to carry their ideals to the next generation so that they can pick up the work.
Hashirama knew Madara's weakness much better than anyone. Which is, standing behind Madara.
He's like the fighter equivalent of a turtle on its back
honestly. my headcanon is this is true in a symbolic way, he never expected someone so close to him to betray him or attack from behind, his friend first then what he thought was "his own will" betrays him. I believe the parallel was probably unintentional that the 2 shown losses are from behind
So did Zetsu apparently.
@@jonathansolares8065 Absolutely intentional imo
I can help but laugh when I saw this comment! Good one!
Hashirama: " I'll kill anyone who threatens the village or peace!"
Madara: " You sound like our fathers."
I often think about how the future would play out if this exchange happened during their final battle
Yet the fandom shits on Naruto for not giving up on Sasuke and not taking the "rational" decision of killing him off. 🤷🤷
@@karthiknarayanan3705 They seem to call it Naruto "forcing" a friendship when in reality it was Naruto trying to save his friend from going down the wrong path. Sasuke never actually said Naruto is no longer his friend. He simply said having such emotions gets in the way of his vengeance. It would be like if you just accepted that your friend cut ties with you because they were too invested in their drug addiction versus trying to get him clean.
@@Scarftail look hot take incoming, if I was Sasuke, I would have killed Naruto long before the bridge not out of hatred but out pure and genuine annoyance with him.
@@hailthequeenFM Funny I say the same thing about sasuke. Naruto should've put him in the dirt
@@hailthequeenFM me too naruto way never give sometimes make him stubborn and annoying he doesn't take no for answer
It’s funny that tobirama deemed the uchiha a clan cursed by hatred but he has the same hateful red eyes
Good analysis this may be a year ago, but not even I caught on that.
I noticed that too while watching those eps back in the day. He held so much hate and resentment in those eyes whenever he talked about the uchihas especially madara. Kinda ironic about how he was scolding sasuke about the literal thing at that moment
Tobirama doesn't hate uchihas, he was just cautious with them, maybe too much, but he didn't hate them
Hashirama shows that true power is not savage and ruthless but caring and nurturing
He was strong enough to be gentle
A true father provides both structure and encouragement
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And arrogantly enslaving sentient beings ✌️!
Hashirama was also the one who started the tradition of turning people into jinchuriki, starting with _his own wife_ . And we know how much suffering *that* caused, not only for the jinchuriki but also for the tailed beasts and those around them.
Did he plan to use his wife as a weapon of war? We don't know. He could have simply wanted to contain and monitor the nine tails. Harishama did tell Kurama that he was too dangerous to be left alone. I feel like that was a mistake. I want to believe the Hashirama felt this way about Kurama primarily because Madara mind controlled the nine tails to fight Hashirama.
Hashirama is an idiot like the sage of the six paths who give humans that kill each power and used that power to kill each other they didn't use it to understand each other indra his son said and he was right Hashirama like the sage of six paths made things worse with jinchuriki and shinobi system that is the problem with ashura and Hashirama and naruto thier ideologies is too naive and idealistic they think that friendship can solve every problem indra had more realistic ideologie with power he means that thier should be law order and rules just because he disagree with thier naive ideology they called him evill just because he had a different opinion
Actually, it was stated that SHE sealed Kurama in herself mid fight with Madara. Reminder that Madara alone was problem, if he got hold of Kurama again(In Manga Madara destroyed all of Buddha arms, so Hashi would be at disadvantage), Hashirama would probably lose. So it was smart decision
Good point. Hashirama maked suffer his "wife.
Now... imagine Mito was Madara's girlfriend and they was just running away.
And Hashirama killed Madara to bring back Mito, the first jinchuuriki, to the Village in order to preserve the newborned "System" of Bijuus to seal on Jinchuurikies
People... really don't get it. The story of the Valley of End... it's just a version. HASHIRAMA's version (when he talk to Sasuke).
Madara never spoked about the Valley of the End. We don't know Madara's version. If Mito was Madara's girlfriend, if they was in love and just running away, and then if Hashirama is the Tyrant who sacrificied their Love for a System and a selfish/wrong idea of peace.
Maybe... Will of Fire is just HELL. Just a endless sacrifice to feed a hellish System.
It was Mito herself who did it.
the only non-uchiha who genuinely understood and cared about the uchihas
What about Naruto and Sakura?
@@SpammytheHedgehog i don't think they cared about the whole uchiha clan, because they only cared about one uchiha. but we can't really tell cause by the time naruto and sakura became friends with sasuke, there was no uchiha clan
@@f0327 in the novel sasuke shinden, naruto used his public influence to redeem the honor of the uchiha clans, he even cleared the name of itachi
@@kholispo6800 wtf why clear the name of Itachi?? Genuinely curious on that one... In fact Itachi was the one that tecnically cleared the Uchias because no one in the public knew of the coup and the people had empathy for the Uchia and hate tward's Itachi. That exactly why he sacrificed himself... His main goal was to keep peace in the village and allow it to prosper by keeping tabs in the akatsuki while he could, put respect/clear the Uchias name and also save Sasuke...
@@Andrew-px9fj dude is making shit up
Hashirama is SO legendary that no one knows how he died.
Probably because of old age because when Edo Madara used wood release Tsunade knew and explained every jutsu and when hashirama saw Sakura he said that she's stronger than Tsunade
He lived a long life
@@RedLights9000-f3l The thing is: it's stated that the edo tensei brings you back as you died, the only exception is Madara as Kabuto modified him, he told Obito that he worked so hard in Madara's body, Hirusen on the other hand was brought back as an old man for example
@@williamreina8040 some characters look young while they're damn old
The mafia came after him for his gambling debt 😂😂😂
@@williamreina8040 well he wouldn’t look very old due to his cells right?
For someone called the God of Shinobi... I wish we saw more of Hashirama's backstory.
Please dont ask for more flashbacks, haha.
yh I was voting for him in the naruto poll but sad he didn't win, still gassed to see Minato tho
Every ninja in the series struggles with the contradiction between “being a ninja” and “being a person” but none struggle as hard as Hashirama. He wants to love, he wants to see life flourish, he wants to be surrounded by his friends. But in order to do any of that, he is convinced that he needs to sever bonds to protect what truly matters. I think that’s why he admired Itachi so much and was so charitable to Sasuke. Itachi was always able to put his village before his bonds, something that Hashirama struggled to do until he killed Madara. The problem is that Hashirama doesn’t even see the cruel irony in saying this in front of Sasuke, whose life was ruined by this. When you start seeing “the village” as your child, it’s easy to ignore all of the actual children dying to support it.
Its funny, in a very dark way, but I think meeting Hashirama is what convinces Sasuke to kill all Kage. This isn’t a Leaf problem, it’s a problem with anyone who puts the existence of their village above the lives of the people in the village. If Hashirama couldn’t get it, why would his granddaughter or Onoki or Mei get it?
You speak with conviction. The points you bring up are accurate, I cannot contradict that. However.... despite the validity of your concerns...you are wrong. I will not elaborate. Farewell.
I have been thinking about the "I will protect the village, even if it means I have to kill my own brother" statement by Hashirama and Madara's reply "No, you got it all wrong. The village was meant to protect your brother" since it was released all those years ago. I am still not sure who was (more) right
I agree with madrara he was right end 33 proves it
When Madara brought nine tails to the village to kill everyone who lives within Madara left Hashirama with no choice but to kill Madara. Madara forced Hashirama into that position. If your brother turns against you and tempts to kill your family and neighbors, Are you just going to let him do it? No. The fault isn't solely on Hashirama's shoulders but Madara as well.
Hashirama really lived up to his word though. 😌
Hashirama did not live up to his dream because he empowered his brother who literally got the Uchiha clan hated and allowed the Hyuga to enslave the other branches.
Every Hokage besides (Maybe Kakashi) Naruto stopped those practices, this rings true even under Minato.
Although others might think he was a moron at points when being the first hokage (like talking to the other chiefs from other villages) , he is a man that wanted to be as peaceful as possible to everyone. Especially after so many years of war, he didn't want others to feel the lose he did. To a point he even was willing to die even if there was a chance at peace. To that I commend him for his efforts.
Right.
Do people keep forgetting that he lost two of his brothers and had an asshole of a father?
he is basically a mary sue , not in a bad way though , he is entertaining , but he needed a lot more development
@@wwe12153 He's not a Mary Sue. He struggles a lot, gets depressed easily, loses most of his direct family and can't even keep his best friend in the village. His brother makes most of his political decisions for him. Yes he's powerful and the greatest hokage to ever exist but he's got his flaws.
This comment deserves a LOT more attention
I realized that Danzō was the type of guy who would twist Hashirama's ideology for peace.
Danzo is actually a perfect embodiment of the contradiction Madara mentioned. Wanting to protect the village and peace, yet craving war and power, also Hashirama praised Itachi, so I'd imagine he'd give props to Danzo as well
Danzo personifies the failings of the OG set of Hokage. He has Hashirama's ideology, Tobirama's general outlook and compensates for Sarutobi's weakness.
@@thewanderingronin5433 complete bs, if madara didnt leave the village and also create obito later, the Uchias would likely not plan a coup. I like how u all say that while taking away any responsibility from Madara. And Im by no mean justifying Itachi or specially Danzos actions...
@@Andrew-px9fjthe coup would still happen it was inevitable with danzo around. Don't you remember he was the reason why it happened bcz he wanted their sharingan . He pushed them to the outskirts of the village he planned it .
@@Andrew-px9fjyk Madara left for a reason . He knew that the Uchiha will get undermined by the senju and their ideals . He told his clan to follow him they said no and they got massacred by orders of konoha
It’s wild how listening to these synopses part of me feels like he’s talking about real people. You got a gift there bro. Keep it up
I understood Hashirama wanting peace, but it would've never worked out. Everyone has their own mind and not everyone shares Hashirama's ideology of wanting peace.
I agree to partly. I think most people who fought battles or suffered from war want peace. However, he was on the winning side with a large country, so enough resources for them. It was never stated but I guess those wars started, because there were not enough resources. So, it was easy to say for him that it is not worth it anymore
But everyone wants to see tomorrow
Hashirama was strong but not strong enough to outlast Tobirama's verbal abuse.
Ultimately hashirama's choice to listen to Tobirama instead of working with madara is what lead to his downfall. Hashirama calling itachi a greater shinobi than himself is laughable. It shows that Hashirama was corrupted by his position of power seeking for a "peaceful" village at any cost be that the death of his best friend or the genocide of a whole clan.
It shows that he was a hypocrite like the village hidden in the leaves the so called heros in naruto are really not different from the villains the kill and steal and say it is justified because it is for the sake of the village that way thinking is carzy and wrong it is end 33 proves it
HASHIRAMA DIDN'T HAVE A DOWNFALL YOU UCHIA FANBOY.
I believe Narutos villains have a point too.
Zabuza raised as a weapon by Kirigakure. He run away from their terrible practices.
Sasori traumatized by his parants deaths and trying to achieve immortality.
Kakuzu was betrayed by his village elders and given an impossible mission he is trying to escape his insecurities by having more money and gaining peoples hearts😄
Kisame tired of lies and seeking the world there will be no lies anymore.
Nagato was trying to achieve peace wat traumatized to much by the big nations he is trying to achieve peace by making them feel true pain.
Madara is seeing people are stupid and greedy so he wants to control everyone by Infinite Tsukuyomi so no one can start wars.
But Hidan is a radical cultist psychopath and Deidara is a terrorist they dont have such noble ideals😆
I think they are all great characters in the end.
But I am disappointed by Kaguya arc I believe it ruined the show. I think Madara deserved to be the final villain.
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about the shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny naruto is the child of destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
To me Kaguya was a good last character who no1 expected. It showed Madara thought he controlled all, but at the end, he control nothing and was the same pawn like he thought about Obito and even worse, because Obito knowed about Madara's stamp in his heart to use it. while madara believed in his acquired power and divine ability to create because he read it on some board. and thus he in no way suspected that black zetsu might not be his creation. Generally this anime showed, people often have the illusion of control others like obito with Pain, who has changed at the end and betrayed him, Obito to Madara, when Obito destroyed Madara stamp by gave for Kakashi's shidori hit his heart or even Itachi didnt predict after his death Sasuke goes in dark way and wont be hero.
Madara illusion also wasnt a good idea. You can see it perfectly in Matrix. There you have perfectly show illusion world. Well if it is not enough, actually people try to make some AI much smarter than people and they do it so fast that someday it oversizes them so may be in future we experience this illusion of perfect life.
Madara's biggest mistake was shaking hands with Hashirama and founding the village, he was too blinded by his charisma to see what's looming on the horizon for his clan. Izuna was more perceptive and if he was alive he'd see through the Senju deception.
And his second biggest mistake was leaving the clan headless and leaderless to Tobirama's mercy.
To be fair to Madara, Hashirama would have killed himself to ensure peace between Senju and Uchiha. Madara still considered Hashirama a friend deep down. Also Madara shaking hands with Hashirama safely secured peace for the Uchiha clan. If Tobirama took over as clan head instead of Hashirama, I highly doubt Tobirama would not guarantee peace between the Senju and Uchiha. As far as Madara leaving the clan headless and leaderless, the Uchiha clan turned its back on Madara and even if Madara left the clan, someone else probably took over as clan head. Fugaku was a clan head so someone else definitely took leadership after Madara left.
You're actually pretty wrong the problem was not the village the problem was the second hokage because he cannot let go of his anger and hatred
You forget that the Uchiha's themselves didn't like Madara and his ways. Hashirama was voted in as Hokage by majority Uchiha and Senju. Everyone was tired of war and fighting and so wanted to come together to usher in peace, something Madara couldn't accept. If he genuinely worked with Hashirama without ulterior motives to better the village, things genuinely wouldn't have gone so wrong. The reason the Uchiha have such a bad reputation is Madara's fault, with him controlling the Nine tails and fighting against the Hokage
@@lastzulu180Tobirama didn't hate the Uchiha, he understood them more than anyone else hence why he knows that the Uchiha as a clan are driven by love, even more so than Senju. He made them police because he knew that a Sharingan is good for stopping violence in the village without a need to fight via genjitsu. Madara was the reason the Uchiha weren't trusted, made worse when Obito attacked the village. If Madara had been a good leader for the Uchiha, the clan would've been very respected and not faced discrimination since he's the one who took control of the nine tails and attacked the first Hokage, then is the reason things like the Akatsuki happened etc so the blame can't go to Tobirama when in all honesty, he didn't do much
@@mawandembatha6622 you're forgetting a few things the second hokage made them the police to make sure they did not have any actual power in the village he even said that himself 😔 😔 which was alienation
“But these errors show us that even the god of shinobi is not above any man”
keep up the good work man
Hashirama is just a naïve men who didn't grasp the complexity of politics
Hashirama is really an underrated character when it comes to breaking down characters from the series. The man had a heart when had every reason not to. The compassion and openhanded nature of Hashirama was something i feel is overlooked in the fandom. This man was a true visionary in his world
Fun fact: Hashirama's favorite hobby was trimming bonsai trees.
Minus the whole black zetsu/ kaguya shoe-in, Kishimoto wrote such a brilliant story.
Naruto is a collection of amazing premises.
But it isn't crafted into a masterpiece. There are major problems in this series.
Plot holes.
Lack of character development.
World devel.
Major holes in the history of the world.
Also horrid power creep.
@@r.a.panimefan2109There are no plot holes
@AK either your blind. Your new or your u r in total denial
Instead of me wasting my time how bought u go look into them.
Nc hammer has a doozy
So does swag
@@AK-MS27 no story ever has had no plot holes
@@bazmioperzys626 Name a plot hole in Fmab
Hashirama is probably one of my favorite characters if not the favorite of the entire naruto series for me . Strong and kind. Honestly i love both the 1st and second.
If Hashirama saw Black Zetsu stab Madara... even he would call that lazy writing.
If Hashirama was raised in the Land of Water, then he would've called it the "Will of Water."
“ Will of thirsty” 😂
You missed a huge point the will of fire was supposed to be passed down for future generations.
So they can achieve what hashirama and madara couldn't. Which eventually brought piece with naruto.
these videos genuinely are some of my favourites ever simply because of how you present these topics so maturely, thank you
Having peace in the shinobi world is such a contradiction because it IS the shinobi world. To be a shinobi is to be a person that lives alongside conflict (not to say no one lives without conflict). It's tied to the core of their being. The system of ninja education, ninja missions, jutsu, torture, etc. To be a shinobi is basically utilize one's violent/manipulative services to someone's benefit or use them to counter other ninjas. One could argue that if there was peace in the shinobi world, the shinobi world would die cuz peace makes them obsolete... now I'm starting to sound like an Infinite Tsukuyomi advocate 😂
It's like that 2-question quiz from the HxH Hunter exam. No right answer, but no one gets to slide with just being silent here. A side must be taken.
Madrara was right end 33 proves the shnobi system hashirama created is hell
You are so right.Shinobi exist because of their skill of fighting and violence. If peace lasts forever they will end up unemployed and starve. So there must be war and violence to shinobi have a value in real life.
@@fatihk1194 kishimoto said that he wanted the villains to antiheros that had reasons to go against the shnobi system and heros obey the system and are blind loyal to their vliages that it becomes obsession they can't go five 5 without saying for the village they justify killing stealing and war be saying is justified because it is for the sake of the village that way thinking is carzy it is what created villains like nagato when say what about my friends my family and if ninja goes against the shnobi system or disagree with it then say thier evil simply because they don't agree with thier way of thinking
@@fatihk1194 you the said thing that if you think about many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny naruto is the child of destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic the villains a had a more realistic view in life what is your opinion
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 You have a point. I think village system was better than chaos from Hashiramas time.
It is based on Japanese feudal war period Sengoku Jidai. Villages and daimyo provide safety for children and civilians and put the risk on adult shinobi. It is better than before but shinobi is raised for battle anyway.
It is the same as today when a government choose to start a war people suffers. Someone must become soldiers to protect his people if this happens.
Naruto. The anime where everyone is flawed. Everyone has strength. Everyone will eventually break.
Knowing all this makes Naruto and Sasuke's story even more poetic. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
No matter the era there was always gonna be war, bloodshed, loss, hate, distrust, separation, etc. The fact that the villages themselves (specifically Konoha) were created in the hopes of having a dwelling place for the citizens to be able to live without the fear of being killed day after day like in the past.
Unfortunately, Hashirama and Madara’s dreams shifted and they no longer could see eye to eye when it came to the ideologies and future of the village that it lead to them fighting each other even after “peace” was made. There will always be the cycle of fighting, killing, and war just like the first sentence I wrote.
So, Pain was right after all
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny naruto is the child of destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
On the real, Hashirama could've just let Madara be in charge of the Anbu or frontrunner of the S rank Jounin forces. Something meaningful and of historic value in the hidden leaf
Was the anbu even formed at this time?
@@saintlugia true, I'm pretty sure that was after tobimara
"The Madara Village Library" "The Madara Academy for Future Shinobi" 😂
Would tobirama allowed it. Thats the question
@@zero1188 well.. I think we know the answer to that 😂😂😂🚫 I think the Anbu came during Tobimaras time so theres... could've at least just make the dude a squad leader for the top tier gennin/chunnin/jounin
Imagine if the Uchiha Clan left the Leaf when Madara did.
We may have never seen it, but I think it's fair to say that whether it be through election or some other selection process naruto was elected Hokage by the people, all the people the world over. The shinobi, the civilians, the allied nations, even enemies to an extent, none could deny his power but mainly nome could deny his good nature and complete dedication to peace not just for the collective but for the individual well
Honestly, with all that power, hashirama was still a weak fool. He should have trusted his friend Madara to run the village and trust him to protect it and make it thrive. Even will all that power, his mind was still weak. He should have made his own decisions based on his experiences, not his brother tobi. Tobi harbored so much hate and anti sematism towards the Uchiha. He was a walking hypocrite to "the clan of love." Hashira should have seen that and realized that as soon as Tobi became the hokage, the Uchiha would be discriminated against, and eventually, it would turn into an all-out civil war. If he had trusted Madara, who knows where the leaf and Shinobi world would be now.
I wish we got a spinoff on Hashirama.
This shows that the heros in naruto are perfect they also can flawed and hypocrites when Hashirama stabed madrara in the it feelt like he betrayed him madrara even see hurt when says you change to Hashirama
Thorough and insightful content as always brother. Thanks for putting these out. Superb commentary and analysis
Remember when Hiruzen fought Orochimaru, Hashirama and Tobirama...one of the Anbu called Hashirama's Wood Style, "Super Earth Style!" 😂
This is so freaking good.
I never thought of Madara as being the true Idealist, in contrast to Hashirama, the political realist.
Hashirama found something he valued even more than Peace.
Konoha, the will of Fire.
Unfortunately this proved to be a weakness. He was easily manipulated by Tobirama’s shallow rhetoric about the Uchiha.
Thanks for the video, this is just fantastic!!
@@alfonsuskristo1624 But he smart enough to know that the Senju are CO-FOUNDED the village with Uchia so making them do only grunt work is not right
Tobirama was a racist the one uchiha he trusted were people put the village above thier clan basically his lapdogs
@@alfonsuskristo1624 the senju also killed uchiha none is a sanit
@@alfonsuskristo1624 no matter how you spin tobirama was a racist just because madrara was bad that meant to him that every uchiha was bad
@@alfonsuskristo1624 I don't hate tobirama I think he was a great hoagke but he was flawed and racist he was basically the madrara of his own senju clan
ultimately hashirama became a cog in the cycle of hatred. helped foster a new version it
Hashirama is a hypocrite. When he was a kid he asked to his father "and children must be sacrificed?". But later when he stabbed Madara he stated that he will kill his friends, siblings and even children for the Leaf village. He became the very thing he criticised. And Madara said that this mindset will lead Konoha to darkness. He was right. And the thing that pisses me off the most is when Hashirama praised Itachi saying that he is a better shinobi than he was. He praises the genocidal mass murderer only because it's for the Leaf village. You know what? Screw him and his village!
Madara was right. He’s the real hero. All the Hokage were wrong and made terrible mistakes. Orochimaru said so after re animating them. Kakashi is the greatest Hokage ever.
hashirama could just have made madara the first hokage. who was going to oppose him FOR REAL?
When hashirama says itachi is great shnobi for killing his clan parents and children that shows he is a hypocrite hashirama was a deeply naive optimistic optimistic and flawed he became like his father that he hated madrara says you change hashirama he felt really hurt that his friend stabed him in the back and betrayed him
I don't know about you guys but I didn't see any useful hokage except for kakashi and Naruto (there era was peaceful but still)
1= strong but didn't lead his people
2= maybe he didn't hate the Uchiha but his actions created people that hated them
3= useless
4= he stopped kakashi from killing Obito that gave the chance for madara to reborn
5= she knew danza was working with orochimaru and didn't do anything
Third hogake was a real politicians ahahah
This was a lovely video on the humanity of hashirama
I really loved this
But I was also reminded of a previous video on Uncle Iroh
His humanity, his flaws were something I sensed but didn't want to accommodate since I felt they tarnished his image.
But you're video shed light on the fact that it was those very things that made him human and such a wholesome character.
And I really am grateful for that insight.
Thank you for making these videos
Love your naruto videos sage 💯
Madara:
People disagree Peace, and yet on the other hand they create conflict as well.
That duality is mankind for you. They want peace and to discard only conflict.
Would in fact cause people to stop being people. And those two things stand together side by side.
Imagine if Hashirama was an Uchiha and Madara was a Senju.
Hashirama: Let's make Madara Hokage after me.
Tobirama: Hell no!
this vide hits different seeing what is happening in Palestine. Many Madaras and Hashiramas created every day (children of war who will grow up to change the fate of their lands)
I think it's inherently beautiful when powerful characters are shown to be flawed individuals since it's what gives the audience the ability to relate with them.
I think when, ultimately, Sasuke was telling the previous Hokage about Itachi and him finding out about the 4th Great Shinobi war, Hashirama acknowledged his mistake and realized what Madara meant. It's definitely reflected in his final conversation with Madara and his praise for Itachi.
I think Hashirama and Nagato would get along. They both wanted true peace.
It is creepy how many of character are obsessed with thier village I mean they can't go five minutes without say for the sake of the village it is fine for a person to love thier but the problem becomes when they kill innocent steal and cause war and kill even thier clan and parents and say that thier actions are justified becomes it is for the sake of the village that way of thinking is carzy and wrong end 33 of naruto proves it also what created vailans like pain when he says what about my friends my family that shows you that the so called heros of naruto are not perfect hashirama was evil but he was naive and deeply flawed man the shnobi system he created caused all of problems and he was fine with jinchuriki being forced on people that also shows that he was also a hypocrite like the sage of six paths he he give humans that kill each other superpowers and they didn't use it to understand each other but used it to kill each other madrara said it and he was right to be fair like the sage of six paths hashirama made things worse with the shnobi system and obsession with the village he even says that he is willing to kill his father brother and even son if it is for the sake of the village that just shows you how carzy his way of thinking
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This is probably the best analysis of Hashirama that I have heard.
Great video
the problem is, the shinobi world is a dangerous place and filled with wars and hatred, trying to defend the village and that part of the will of fire is understandable, but the same ideal put the village over the individual and lead in of itself to countless wars, even other villages have similar ideals to the will of fire, and tbh that's why naruto is the goat, just how he said that he is not asura and sasuke is not indra he didn't give up on sasuke and knew how important single person can be, he succeeded in what hashirama and the other hokages failed, he had the will and determination to never give up on his friend and on the individual, and indeed to never give up on his ideals
Imagine if Hashirama took Madara's eyes.
Hashirama: I love the Uchiha! 😀
Tobirama: I hate the Uchiha. 😠
It's sad. I feel like if Hashirama had stood up to Tobirama and stay by Madara's side, that maybe the Uchiha massacre down the line could've been prevented.
But tobirama didn't hated uchihas who carry will of fire, like Kagami Uchiha.
@@kanishkamandloi389Yeah, of course he would like lapdogs.
@@joaov.candido8399 why would he not love an uchiha who follows will of fire, 90% of problems of hidden leaf were directly and indirectly related to evilness of uchihas. But it's true not every uchiha was evil Kagami, Itachi , Izumi , many uchiha women, etc were innocent and many uchihas does not have even sharingan.
Before there was Naruto... there was Hashirama.
I needed this.
Thank you
To be a devil advocate, i don't think 16 or 17y or 18yo are seen as kids in naruto world, Gaara was literally kazekage at 14
That shows that the will of fire is not a good thing
Though I guess it's realistic, you cannot change and control everything. Everyone has flaws and because of that such utopian world cannot exist, some things just can't be achieved.
Hashirama might of been a Contradiction or comes as one but think about the 3rd who enables his best friend and student to do evil deeds. He had to make a decision similar to Itachi and his situation.
If I remembered correctly, 3rd didnt know until the day he let him escape
@@zero1188 danzo knew fasho but interesting imma check that out
Decision similar to itachi? When did hashirama slaughter innocent children, civilians?
So... Is all Tobirama's fault. Everyone agree?
He was just very cautious like they should’ve been in boruto now the whole village and Naruto/ hinata are gone
When Madara turned into the Six Paths, I thought he would pay Hashirama a visit.
Was naruto always this beautiful? Suddenly Hashirama is one of my favorite characters, seriously amazing video
"IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME, HASHIRAMA!"
Imagine if we got a spinoff called Hashirama: The First Generation.
The uchiha vs senju stuff could honestly be it's own show
Yawn. 😴
We compared naruto to obito who loss hope. But we forget that naruto is more like hashirama who successfully saved his friend
This is the problem that all leaders of countries do face. Or in general people who enter politics. While not to this extreme. Dreams vs reality can be a jarring difference.
Sage, next time, dedicate a video analysis to the beautiful movie, Wolf Children. I have a feeling you’ll love it and you’ll also have plenty of insights to share. 😁
Kishimoto is one of the best writers of all time. This Naruto anime is a masterpiece
he really isn't tbh.
I really agree. Plus I'm happy to see these videos. Plus the dualistic nature of the Shinobi system contradicts itself. Are you gonna do Ghostmaker?
I absolutely love your videos. I rewatched the entire Naruto series this winter when I was in a depression and something about it was very cathartic. Your videos help me understand more of what that was. People can say what they want about Naruto, but no show will ever come close to portraying duality so well imo 🤷♀️.
Hashirama and Madara means friendship 🫂🤝
Peace is like a dream. It cannot be attained.
Pls one video on JOHAN LIBERT PLS PLS PLS ❤
What makes Hashiramas work so important is that his creation of Hidden Leaf didn’t just change the Land of Fire but the world. The Village system was much better than the pure clan system and actually brought peace to the world, even the wars after that were relatively containt compared to warring states period. It wasn’t perfect but his work made shinobi world take a huge step towards true peace.
End 33 in naruto shows the peace hashirama made and nothing changed you can say that he made things worse with jinchuriki as before they didn't exist
Not really sadly in the show
The conflicts only escalated
What went from being clashes between rival clans became a clash between militaristic nation statue
And what's worse
They used powerful weapons like tailed beasts
@@doughlausprashaal7151 A fair point all things considered, the conflicts probably became much bigger and destructive. But the way I understood it was that the village system heightened the threshold for conflict and made it less chaotic, as no longer petty lords could higher some clan to murder his enemies etc. The wars seem to have been near constant during waring states. Plus it gave room for agreements between villages/states and clear diplomacy. So it is a question of which is worse: instability and constant small wars or rare big destructive wars and stability. Plus the whole monopoly of violence and small village things.
You always make my favourote characters seem so much better S/o bro
Madara was never weak than Hashirama,
Very few know that the Day Izuna died ,
Madara was actually winning his battle against Hashirama,
But he had to pull back due to a death blow to Izuna.
Orochimaru stated that Hashirama could break from Orochimaru's control. This was a retcon in Shippuden.
Nah it was not a retcon. It's stated that the Edo tensei jutsu used by Kabuto in Shippuden was a much more refined version of Orochimaru's which placed them much closer to their actual powerlevels as compared to the older version. That's why Orochimaru thinks that.
A video on how you completely didnt get Hashirama philosophy... Hashirama philosophy is not a contradiction at all. Madara wanted destroy the village.. I like how you compare the village the same with the clans wars era... Before u had no choise.. u were on the battlefield when ur a child like 5... At 16 - 17 you are a teen. And those teens/parent choose their way of life including choosing to take the exams for chunin etc... Hashirama did what he could and rightfully so and he entrusted others to keep improving it.. that is his philosophy. Mean while Madara trusted no one and LITERALLY had more of a part to the Uchias downfall then Tobirama ever did. Or even Danzo to some extent... Dont forget that Obito/tobi is basically Madaras creation (the way he became).
Finally got through a video without crying. Amazing vid as always!
I always enjoy your videos.
Every shinobi who wants peace has to make a rough and draft decision.
If only the world of Naruto learned reciprocal altruism.
This is probably my favorite video you ever done. Thank you of this
Even as I think about it now, I'm not sure how much blame to place on Hashirama for the ultimate results of his actions and allowed policies. Even while I know he wouldn't've stood for Danzo's actions, or the eventual dehumanization of jinchuriki- I'm certain he would've put a stop to these had they been problems of his time-, both are descendant issues of what he had set in place or allowed to be. If only he lived a bit longer, or had more time.
Even in the case of the "killing" of Madara, lest we forget Madara was actively mounting large-scale, devastating, *surprise* attacks seemingly whenever, maybe wherever. Perhaps it's just that protecting the village and protecting the people in it were just more synonymous in Hashirama's day? I perceived his killing of Madara to be the result of Madara crossing a line he drew in the sand. So is it that there shouldn't have been a line, or that he ought have played pong with Madara, forever keeping him on the other side, assuming the destruction of the leaf would never come if he had an off day?
It would have been amazing and interesting to see him, rather than stab Madara in the back, only injure him, pin him down, and ask him what he wanted him to do, and ask him why he's forcing him to turn into their fathers. Perhaps he just wasn't proactive enough against Tobirama & co.
I'm happy the two of them held no grudges when they met again.
Hashirama was catching Tailed Beasts like Pokémon.
Wow...Naruto has such a messed up origin... :-0
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Even Hashirama praised Itachi even though everyone else hated him.
It shows how corrupted Hashirama had become
Because genocide is not peace it's just a catalyst for a future war and we got the 3rd ninja war as a result of it
@@littenfire3563 bro what ? are you joking ? everyone in the anime praised itachi , i mean the ones who knew the truth , no one ever acknowledged that itachi did a bad thing , even sasuke the one who had the worst experience , thought that itachi was a great person