@jackthegamer I'm in the process of building a computer for a blind friend. He has no use for pretty lights, but with the money he had available (spent just over $1k), I ended up having to buy some of the parts having LEDs. Now, if only I can find the power supply I'm giving him...it doesn't have LEDs.
How about what gigabyte fucked up in the 10th series g1 gaming cards? I know for sure that 1070 has a fan issues like mine rx 480 which results in 1 fan sounding like rotor when first starting,also the insane temps on the rx 480 even after the bios update.I really wish I could make something about that cuz that card can't even hold the advertised clock on the box,it's always going up and down but never stable even on 72-3 C
Hi Jay, basic subject I've been meaning to suggest - what kind of temperatures we should be seeing inside of a water cooling loop - when we have a single pump and res config for say - 1 CPU and 2 GPUs (1080 GTX?). What would be the ones we'd expect coming out of the rads, after it comes out of the GPU blocks, CPU block, etc. An overall overview of water temps in the system.
If we put the unlikely posibility of a pressure issue(dust entering without passing filter) aside, your system overall will likely benefit from this way of mounting the PSU. Here is why; If the fan facing down is the normal way, then the electronics that produce heat inside the PSU will be mounted on the side facing up into the cabinet. The heat will then travel up, away from the fan, potentially get trapped between the electronics and the metal plate and heat it up. By mounting it with the fan facing up, the heat will travel up towards the fan and heat said metal plate less, in addition the previously warmer plate now face outwards against the cool air under the cabinet. All in all I don't think it will make a noticeable difference and either way of mounting it is fine. Exception for the water cooled systems.
I love how you blend comedy in with your explanations of things, but don't get off track. Makes the video very easy to watch, funny, and an overall enjoyable experiance. Thank you so much!
I'm not trying to be difficult or contradictory, but I for one would love to see some scientific testing done, over time, to verify these statements. I see a lot of videos about positive vs. negative pressure. I don't know what to believe and would love some actual proof. JayzTwoCents seems like the type to do the test and report back whether he was correct or not. Its why I watch, unwavering integrity.
What scientific proof do you need? If you draw more air in than you remove, the air will go out through the crevices of the case, thus resulting in less dust accumulating. You don't need "scientific testing" to verify common sense.
Without proof all you have is theory. Have you measured the amount of dust present in a case with positive pressure vs a case with negative pressure? If not, how can you be sure one is better than the other. Also, last I checked you are not Jay. So my comment was not directed at you.
James Rhodes I doubt there are many who would bother with that because a) it's something that is intuitive to most people, and b) experience confirms it but hey, good luck on finding those test results!
Mine is about 75 max unless the ambient outside is warmer than usual like peak summer, out of games 35 max, although I'm not running much from 2018-present
@Orion 8096758 if you have the right case fans the inside of you pc will not be warm. mine is generally about the same as the outside room temperature. (two front fans as intake, two top fans and a rear as exhaust)
@Orion 8096758 He actually did address that with the entire circulation conversation when he started talking about the fan being faced down, he just didn't word it as such.
It'll take me at least a year before I can start to build my first PC, but I'm already checking out videos like this to be as informed as possible about every important detail. Great video, thanks!
RIGHT ON JAY! Some of us are not pros and are new to PC builds. And many (apparently) are PC geniuses that can tell you how every part you've ever bought is the wrong one.
OMG, some of the Reddit comments I've read...wow. Like, some of us are building a PC for the first time and don't know everything about everything...which doesn't automatically make us morons.
@@Sampson2012bot That is true. Not knowing everything about everything when building a PC for the first time is not what made you a moron. (there are other factors at play)
You probably wont see this but please do this more often! I am planning my first ever build and I am currently watching all of your tutorial and build videos. Going into detail really helps me build up the confidence to actually do this myself and not spending my lifesavings on getting a prebuild which would probably be weaker :,) Thanks for all your advice and stuff
@Bruce Wayne "common sense"? You seem to lack any. The guy asked a reasonable question and Jay provided no proof to his claims. The only thing you seem to be able to do well is swear and show the world that you are a moron.
I'd be interested in finding out just how much of that PSU exhaust loops back into the intake in the down configuration, as you suggested. I think the chassis exhaust fan above it should help keep that air on an aft trajectory. Plus, exhaust tends to be more directional than intake.
Mounted the PSU up. Just got a new M2 NVME which I tried to install. Dropped the M2 screw down in the PSU. Didn't want to open the PSU. But the screw got stuck inside the PSU. Took forever to get it out. Had to unscrew the PSU and flip it upside down and shake it for a long time. I remounted the PSU down now. And will do it going forward.
Lay PC down if you doing work. I have 3x A12x25s at front. Air only in via filtered front. Air out via rear fan, GPU vent and PSU. Every other hole, no matter how small taped up, even PCI slot cover holes. PSU fan is hybrid and never needs to come on. The positive pressure from front fans is huge and is almost enough to blow lighter flame out if placed near psu vent. Front fans dialed in with noctua fan controller. Highest speed without being audible in dead of night. GPU is always 'actively' cooled via the flow too. Clean case, silent, cool.
Jay is the only person I’m cool with belittling me lol this is probs my fav beginners guide type channel since the more I understand certain things you have videos about more intricate things it’s nice to know people can actually learn from your videos
Hey Jay, I just had to say that I stumbled upon your channel a few months ago during my research trying to learn about gaming on computers and what i would need/want in my first gaming computer build. Thank you for having a huge selection of videos to watch that was able to explain complex ideas in a simple manner to a person who had zero experience in computer building or even how a computer functions. As I now find myself semi competent at the most basic level, I still enjoy watching any of the videos you create to stay present on any new hardware or how to benefit the hardware. Thank you Jay for being awesome!
Yeah because 240v comes through the CPU, GPU or memory lol.. less than 2v goes through those and you wont even feel that. Meanwhile the PSU is full of capacitors that, if blown, will release a deadly shock.
@@Ethan-rz6cx You are correct intake side on top with heat exhaust going out the back of the unit. In my recent build I had no choice but to place the intake down because of separate enclosure for power supply draws air from below. Without the enclosure I would have gone intake facing up, just to draw heat from inside the box out.
When the PSU is sucking air in from below and letting it push itself out the back, there is still a suction pressure from beneath that will make even the hot air go down. You are correct that hot air rises in cold air, however, the rate at which this happens is far slower than you may expect, especially when we are talking only a few degrees difference.
I think it's simple. Having the cooler upwards, means pulling warm air into the psu. Probably the temperature inside the case decreases, but the PSU cooler is not for cooling the inside of the pc. It needs fresh air and it can get fresh air only from the downside. That's why mostly every case has an opening for the psu cooler at the bottom. Now tell me I'm wrong?
No no no, you are an expert user, I am an advanced user. I've watched a few of your videos over time and your expert views help sway my builds. Keep it up, subbed.
Nice video. Great explanation and advice. One thing I do not agree with. It's almost impossible to have a loop of suction air from the power supply if it's mounted with the fan downwards. It is advicable to have the intake air fans at the bottom or in the front of the PC, because the warm air is lighter than the cold air. That's why they changed the position of the power supply as we remember years ago it was at the top. If you mount the power supply with the fan downwards(not on carpet) it will always suck a cold air, because it's heavier and it stays at the bottom. The warm air that goes out from the power supply wil immidiately go up so it's impossible to be sucked in again unless you have a intake fan on the back top case . Mounting the power supply upwards it's not a bad thing too if you have a infront intake fans. But having a powerful GPU might cause a slight problem since the power supply will always suck it's not so much cold air. It actually all depends if you want to use your powwer supply as a exhaust fan too or keep the supply in a good condition.
Great topic. I have my EVGA Supernova 850w mounted down, because the case is on a solid surface, and there's a cover over it. I would recommend making sure you don't forget to check the bottom filter when you are cleaning your case. It is easy to forget about it. Mine needs regular cleaning, almost more than the internals.
I’m building a Sleeper PC with a top mounted PSU and a single 92mm rear exhaust fan. I have the PSU mounted with the 120mm fan facing down to act an extra exhaust fan. Works flawlessly!
I've always wondered why more water coolers don't use non conductive liquids, like the XSPC XS-EC6-CL Non Conductive Coolant. Is it less efficent than distilled water? I think a test is in order Jay. Whilst you are at it, what actually happens if this stuff spills on your motherboard, or your PSU?
I've had a couple of power supplies die prematurely from being fan side down. All Corsair models. My theory is that the "smart" fan on Corsair PSUs won't turn on unless your computer is drawing a certain power level. Even if the power supply gets dangerously hot the fan won't kick on. The temperature safety limit will always be hit before the fan is turned on. When flipped fan side up, natural convection is enough to solve the problem entirely.
Today i removed my corsair HX1050 i installed upside down on my 9 year old rig.. the backside of the power supply has like a thick layer of dust, i couldn't even blow it off by air.. then i was surprised when i examined the internal components of this power supply through fan vents! it looked so clean from dust as if it is unpackaged from it's retail box!!. am now 100% convinced that i would never place my power supply facing up ( as long as on solid floor).. the power supply fans would only rotate when it needs to cool, so on normal usage it is mostly off.. so having power supply vents toward inside case will only collect dust from moving air inside.. not only that.. but if a lot of dust accumulated inside power supply it may reduce cooling efficiency meaning fans will spin more often years later.. the face down approach have more benefits on the unit it self compared of pulling some air from case.. you can add regural case fans instead..
Just a warning.. I mounted mine with the fan faced up since my PC sits on a carpet, and while mounting the backplate of an AIO cooler, a washer fell into the crevice between the motherboard and case, then landed in the power supply. I didn't realize this until it was too late. After testing my PC for a bit it was fine. I brought it upstairs to my normal spot, flicked the switch then hit the power button, and was then greeted with a nice gunshot sound paired with a white flash as soon as I hit the power button... Though it was my own stupidity in running the PSU without finding the missing washer... I'm never mounting my PSU with the fan faced up again. I ran into this video shortly after it happened so I don't know if the components are okay yet. :/
Sirei Talk Ouch.. Any update now? How did it hold up? Watercooling is still a constant gamble it seems, I’m always paranoid about it, considering I got myself an AIO for the first time Fans facing down from now on 100%
@@computethisinfo Mine hasn't leaked, so I can't really say whether it's worth it or not.. But so far it seems worth it for how beautiful it looks and for how well it performs. There really isn't any maintainence to be done since the liquid inside is never exposed to anything.. though I don't know for certain if it would ever need to be done.
Vaughn Armstrong lol honestly it worked my PSU is still sitting with the fan facing up since this post and dust hasn't caused any sort of issue temps never changed inside of the pc I tried flipping the case but I couldnt reach the USB ports like that so test was inconclusive.
I had carpet when I lived in an apartment for college. I bought some whiteboard wood and had it cut at home depot for roughly 10$. Placed this under my PC to provide some space for air flow and also had left over whiteboard to mount on my wall for "normal" whiteboard uses.
Hey, Jay! Remember top-mounted power supplies? No shrouds, sometimes the only exhaust fan in the system? Couldn't flip them if you wanted because the screws wouldn't go in that way? Cable management meant stuffing them into the unused 5.25 bay that didn't have an optical drive in it? Good times. I am feeling so old now.
Holy shit! Jay is getting bigger and bigger (not your weight lol). This channel is growing so fast! The amount of likes, subscribers, and views have grown so much! May not say much for what you're actually earinng but nevertheless, that's awesome! As fans we should be proud!
If the power supply is mounted with the fan up, and the graphics card has an open air cooler, they would both be fighting for the same air, especially if they are close to each other. Just a taught. Great video by the way.
Since my 600C forces me to use my PSU as an exhaust fan I am really happy with this solution. This was I only have three fans inside my case (including the PSU) and the system is a lot quieter.
I tried both configurations, i wanted to see if the psu up inlet would improve air flow and draw more hot air away from the gpu, yes it would heat up the psu and have a de rating affect but the psu is oversized so this wouldn't be an issue. The result was the exact same gpu temp in both configurations which was surprising since you would think this would assist the gpu exhaust. So i left is in the down inlet standard config.
Wow! This is perfect! I have a carpet but don't have much room to put it anywhere. My first power supply burned out due to dirt and dust intake from the bottom cent, because I didn't realize it sucked in at the time, so this would help with that. After the first one burnt out, I managed to squeeze a table in, but now that I know this I might think about doing this!
Allow me to summarize without watching the video. Down: You have good airflow under the case. Not sitting on carpet suffocating the fan. Or you dont trust your water cooling setup. 🤣 Up: Down isnt an option due to airflow.
I recently bought a new case and put my power supply in fan up. I have an extremely dusty environment and carpet (that hasn't been vaccuumed in 15 years). Good to know that newer power supplies don't spin their fans that much. I have two intake fans at the front, that are slightly stronger than two exhaust fans one on top and one at the rear. All are running by Smart fan 5 on my motherboard so balance themselves out automatically.
Dang, nice PDXLAN shirt! I attended twice when I was in high school, probably around 2005 or so. It was the first time I went to a LAN party bigger than my friend's basement. What an experience!
They should really be mounted at the top of the case like they used to be, which was for a design factor reason. Regardless of the fans intake / out take of the PSU heat 'radiates' from it (PSU one of the hottest parts of the PC). & where does that radiated heat go? Straight up or straight over all the components you want to keep as cool as possible, from bottom to top (some gets vented by fans, some of the hot air gets fed to cool heatsinks though too, which doesn't do as good a job. It (bottom mounting) started to appear when water cooling came on the scene & holes for the hoses appeared at the top of the case along with the dilemma of where the radiator / reservoir & all that jazz would sit (at the top, at least in the early days). I guess they figured if components were all on a water cooled loop the extra radiated heat wouldn't matter none. But for an air cooled system, it is extra heat in the case whether we like it or not.
Thanks for this video. I am building a budget rig around a 6600K and bought an old C70 case secondhand, which I freaking love the look of. I was installing the PSU (EVGA 650 GA, also secondhand) last night and having this debate internally. I settled on fan up orientation for now but may give it further consideration.
I agree with everything. Unfortunately, I have a little compartment where the PSU goes on the bottom of the case. Pointing it upwards would probably constrict the air flow even worse.
I've moved from an air 240 to a 570x case. (yeah i know, it's big for a MATX board). However with the Air240, my PSU died. You have to mount that facing out. I suspect vaping mind have contributed to that. I've since switched some stuff around in my room too and bought a fan (an actual fan) so the vapour doesnt have a chance to settle, and yes, mounted my new PSU facing up so its drawing it's air from inside the case.
Noise is a factor too, esp. in a very quiet system. Having the fan inside the case, it has no noise direct escape path. Even if it has to work a bit harder, it is quieter. Also the fans are more effective blowing down than blowing up (where the gravity and the push work against the seal holding the blades)
You realize that fans in a computer case are for cooling. Warm air rises. Why would fans be more effective blowing down? (this is not an actual question and is very sarcastic)
@@paulmartin2348 There are new fans that blow in the opposite direction so they work OK blowing up. But the mechanics of the fans are such that it is much more effective (and thus quieter) when blowing down, against the gravity. If the fan blows up, it is resting on the O-ring that holds the spindle. Plus the air pressure. The convection is not a factor in a case, there is far too much of air movement inside. The fans can easily overmatch the convection.
Hey Jay. Could you please do a video about PCI-E Overclocking with a couple of facts, benchmarks and risks? Theres pretty much no information on the internet about that topic and id like to know if you can gain performance from that. Best regards
Heh, sorry for bumping the thread. Just rearranged my cases and couldn't understand why all pc components raised 5-15 degrees Celcius. Reason for switching my main hardware system to my newer, cheap Riotoro CR 488 was that it was almost 'empty' inside with room for tons of additional case fan mounts - where my old Cooltek midi case included tons of hdd shelves, filling the inside up, blocking airflow, not suitable for my newly ordered huge GFX card. Then realized my old cheap German CoolTek midi case had the PSU mount upside down. And having a big solid hightadjustable table there is plenty of free air beneath the case suspension the answer was obvious. So now my PSU is installed 'mountless loose' in my Riotoro CR 488 upside down - and what a temps difference to the good side!
As long as you can put a dust filter on the fan itself, then yeah, I'm with you. Just be careful doing any maintenance with the tower standing, because screws can fall into your PSU and it's a pain in the butt to get out. XD
My old case has no bottom vent. My only problem has been dropping a screw in the power supply. Be sure to cover the top of the supply when working in the case.
I actually built my rig yesterday with NZXT h500 and have to stop for about 10mins to decide how I mount it and ended intake fan face down because: 1. I want to take it cool air into the power supply,; 2. because I already have positive air pressure by installing additional 2 140mm front panel fans... but hey this is a good video. kudos!
My take away, you just got a second fan (myself) pushing old air out meaning more fresh in. I almost set it fan down because the print would be right side up outside of tower where it would be plugged in. Well that's a DUMB reason to mount it if the fan mounted up inside and there's plenty of free space for the fan on the power supply to draw air out of the tower. Remembering that getting fresh (and cooler) air into the tower is just as important as exhausting the warmer (and older) air. Well, least he gave good reasons to mount it upside down? Yes he did. Thanks! And now I know the reasoning behind it too! And that's half the battle, understanding WHY you set the system up as you do it instead of using your solid but flawed logic because there are just some things you personally don't understand that can and will bite you in the butt later. This suggestion is a minor one but get enough minor ones and it turns major eventually.
Some comments from the top of my head: - When the power-supply fan is not spinning then it is not contributing to air-flow. The video mentions both, but does not link one argument to the other. Having an open grill pointing upwards then allows for the PSUs heat to spread even easier inside the case. - A down-facing fan can suck dust into the PSU when no filter is installed. An up-facing fan will suck dust into the PSU from within the case. Even if the fan is not running, dust will fall through the open grill, because there is no filter on top of it. Regular mesh on PC cases does not filter dust. Check the dust in your case and decide if this is a possible problem. - It seems rather unlikely that the PSU will suck warm air from its exhaust back into a down-facing fan. The heat is exhausted at pressure and then travels upwards. The down-facing fan pulls air from all directions if unblocked, air temperature below the case should usually be coolest, especially with the case standing on the floor. - Pulling air from within the case likely is going to be warmer once a graphic-card is installed that pushes its hot air back into the case (as most cards do). This means the PSU gets hotter rather than cooler, which is ok, because a PSU usually is meant to operate at up to 50°C ambient temperature and then contribute to case ventilation. If the fan is even spinning that is.
The PSU may suck its exhaust air back in if the PC is close enough to a wall. The exhaust air out the back will hit the wall and scatter in all directions, including down to where the intake will suck it back in. I doubt the small amount of warmer air would have much of an effect on the overall temp of the PSU. The amount of warm air as well as all the cool air would make the intake temp effectively ambient anyway.
That was happening to me with my built. The hot air from the case was f*** up all my PSU until one day I decide to flip it down and from then on never encountered air flow problems with the PSU.
Yes ,that's why psu manufacturers always recommend fan down, it's nearly always better to intake fresh,filtered air for PSU ,CPU and GPU and let case fans exhaust hot air from case, positive pressure also helps as it forces hot air out of the case as well as reducing dust.
Okay, one topic that would help people like me - What to look for when choosing parts? It's easy enough to turn around and buy the best that you can afford. But, when you're saving for the parts, when do you draw the line? Do I Stop when I got enough for a 970? Go a little further for a 1060? Or wait even longer for a 1070? Sure, you could compare to games that you want to play and see how they perform. But what about games that we don't know about or even exist yet? The card that we get with the money we have, because reality exists (not saying you don't live in reality though :P) and the money that could be spent on a more powerful card could be spent elsewhere. But if the card that we get isn't good enough in the long run, then a new card has to be bought with even more money. Bear in mind that this is coming from someone with a Gtx 960 really wishing that he waited just a little longer to get a 970 back before the new range of cards came out. Hell, it extends to processors just as easily - I have a i5 4460... and I have no idea if that is good!
No, he mentioned it depends on where you're planning on putting your tower, if you put it on a carpet floor with no case feet, fan facing up is ideal unless you want to blow up your PSU. And a few more things. edit - posted that comment before Jay mentioned carpet.
It doesn't make any SIGNIFICANT difference. Though if you're building you might as well mount it accordingly and optimize since it's not hurting you or your time. If you're putting it on carpet, face the fan upwards. If on hard surfaces, face it downwards to help keep dust out. And Jay made a good point I didn't think of, watercooling and potential leaking into the fan could cause a potentially, VERY bad day. But in the end it's not a big deal. Kinda like how people freak out over not having anti-static mats/wrist bands, people go their whole lives without static discharge frying their equipment but it's a nice practice if you don't want to take any chances.
Well yeah, the static discharge is a bit of a scare, but so are many other things like smokers falling asleep with a burning cigarette and getting set on fire. Maybe not the best reference, but the chance of that are very slim, yet it could happen and if it happen the consequences might be serious. I started wearing the wrist straps just to be sure, tho following basic guidelines like evading wearing too much and specifically e-static prone clothes like wool sweaters and shit. Not saying to build half naked or fully naked, tho that might be a really fun idea if you're building with your gf, tho the build might turn slower than expected then, but hey savor more moments. :P And again, sjw's and feminazi would be triggered so that would be "sexhist"... -_- Which is only another reason to do it. :D With your bf/gf's consent of course. Which is pretty much inherently self explicit, hence we don't really live in a rape culture. But I digress. xD Pretty much you can decide about your PSU given your environment. I personally would rather install it the normal way and not have dust fest fluffy carpet, especially if you're allergic to domestic dust [acars/mites]. Or you can simply put a nice platform there, but srsly, those carpets aren't really that good in general if you're gonna leave your pc on the ground. You will still get more dust compared to a flad surface, unless you don't mind and can vacuum it more often than the other stuff.
Basically, I think what PSU you are buying is much more important than what way you will put the fans. Also, although it's better to get a "bigger" psu in terms of power, [you'll also shouldn't buy bigger but crappier psus], with processors [cpu + gpu] getting ever more efficient, you don't need like +1000w powerhouses. You can easily get away with anything from [400W if very good, 450W if decently] like 500w - 850W, for the average [gaming] user, I would say anywhere around these estimates, depending on what you want to do with it. More particularly running multiple gpus. I generally prefer the strongest single gpu than bothering with sli/xfire. As for the newer api way, which I think is much better idea, tho I don't think I will be doing this any time soon neither, and my reason would probably be if I could/want to run two cards and get benefits from exclusive features, without having to have a separate system to benefit from them. And/or you could bring some enhancement in performance without any harmful disadvantages. But that being said, you are better buying a tougher more quality PSU, than going for the sole higher wattage. It's a good idea to go higher than "needed", as long as you don't need to drop the efficiency rating. Sorta like a thumb rule. Better get a quality 650W Gold [some like the SeaSonic and CoolerMaster are gold, but nearing Platinum] than going for a 750W Silver / cheaper quality. But honestly, that's just my preferences and these days, unless you are buying some really trashy PSU from some weird brand you will not have regrets. :P
I would like to see a video on dust build up. Maybe fine a 10 year old case that has never been cleaned and do bench markings of before and after clearing all the dust away.
why 10 years old? My 4790k been running 24/7 since it was the latest greatest CPU out there.. After 3 to 4 months of continuous running, I'll be running 50C at idle, and 80C under load. When cleaned, idle temp is 35 to 40C, and no more than 60C under max load. Pretty simple deduction.
I'm building in a Phanteks Enthoo Evolve itx case. There's a well vented shroud cover for the PSU to sit inside. The reason I might want to try flipping the PSU upside down is to draw the hot exhausted air being thrown downward from the GTX 1080 FTW graphics card that sits directly above it and have the heat immediately ejected out through the PSU's fan. One thing that comes to mind though, the heat may become too much for what this Corsair PSU is rated for.
well im dumb so i can think like this. psu takes air from outside case 23´C and then blow it inside psu and then out 30´C and then like you did say in again then it will stay around 30´c something. But if it takes air from inside of the case where the gpu fans is blowing air all over the place at around 60´C then the in the psu and out. and new air from inside the case 60´C again. then psu will be warmer then it will be if it did take air from outside of case. Im i thinking wrong? and as you did say it can take same air in again that it blows out. heat goes up so some of that 30´C will not get back in. but what do i know in just a dumb swedish pc lover.
It doesnt really matter, its not a simple as 20 plus 60, the only thing that actually changes kinda noticeably is the airflow, but then again... it doesn't really matter...
Niko_2142 front fan takes in 23c and gpu makes 60c then you have let's say 50c in case. psu takes in 50c and blow it out. compare to take in 23c and blow out let's say 30c. so take air from outside case is cooler for psu so it shulde be better for it?
Uh... No. taking hotter air doesn't mean it's ability to carry heat is reduced. But if you are worried about your config, just don't, the important part is air getting where it needs to be, not if it's hotter or cooler, no one has ever had any issues, and as long as your psu is fairly decent, it just won't matter.
Niko_2142 overall it is better to have psu fan take air from outside of the case for the best temperature. I got my 1000w fractal r2 psu. I not worried about my config. I did just state this becuse jay did say it will take cooler air from inside of case and I don't think it will do that, prove me wrong. and I know that many ppl include me time to time will so what he says on the video.
Started having problems with my power supply making a terrible noise. Come to find out my PSU was mounted fan up in a shrouded case at the factory. I'm wondering if this is the reason it's starting to give me trouble. Of course I shouldn't be surprised. This is the same PC that came with all of my fans installed as exhaust and a cooler with no thermal paste.
It's been a long time since I've done builds for others but I used to put the power supply in "fan up" orientation for this exact same reason (carpet choking). So thanks for the reminder. I don't really agree about the power supply recycling air being much of an issue, but it certainly could be if the rear of the PC was tightly enclosed under/in a desk. For my own PCs I mount it down so crap doesn't collect/fall into the PSU when it's off (which is most of the time) and so the PSU can get it's own fresh air with my setups.
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What we need : affordable 80plus Gold or Platinum power supply
What we got : 80 bronze "GAMING" power supply with RGB fans.
always remember every rgb fan boosts your pc by 25% (120mm) or by 35% (240mm)
@@stunt_niklas452 And add a few tiny degrees heat inside the case. Always better during a very cold winter though...
What exactly do you mean by affordable? 50€? 70€? 100€? I have a seasonic focus plus gold 650W which I got for around 85€
@jackthegamer I'm in the process of building a computer for a blind friend. He has no use for pretty lights, but with the money he had available (spent just over $1k), I ended up having to buy some of the parts having LEDs. Now, if only I can find the power supply I'm giving him...it doesn't have LEDs.
I went off the advice of a friend and spent £100 on a gold efficiency psu that only draws what it uses not the full wattage
Thanks for the support guys, means a lot! Don't forget to let me know what other basic subjects you think I should cover!
How about what gigabyte fucked up in the 10th series g1 gaming cards? I know for sure that 1070 has a fan issues like mine rx 480 which results in 1 fan sounding like rotor when first starting,also the insane temps on the rx 480 even after the bios update.I really wish I could make something about that cuz that card can't even hold the advertised clock on the box,it's always going up and down but never stable even on 72-3 C
JayzTwoCents
Hi Jay, basic subject I've been meaning to suggest - what kind of temperatures we should be seeing inside of a water cooling loop - when we have a single pump and res config for say - 1 CPU and 2 GPUs (1080 GTX?).
What would be the ones we'd expect coming out of the rads, after it comes out of the GPU blocks, CPU block, etc. An overall overview of water temps in the system.
That Def Leppard reference :D
If we put the unlikely posibility of a pressure issue(dust entering without passing filter) aside, your system overall will likely benefit from this way of mounting the PSU. Here is why;
If the fan facing down is the normal way, then the electronics that produce heat inside the PSU will be mounted on the side facing up into the cabinet. The heat will then travel up, away from the fan, potentially get trapped between the electronics and the metal plate and heat it up. By mounting it with the fan facing up, the heat will travel up towards the fan and heat said metal plate less, in addition the previously warmer plate now face outwards against the cool air under the cabinet.
All in all I don't think it will make a noticeable difference and either way of mounting it is fine. Exception for the water cooled systems.
Hey Jay, as someone who's building my first PC soon, this was really helpful :)
how did it go?
@@crimescene25 He died
Same! Will build one. Waiting for Renoir. Pre-ordered B550
@@ArpanMukhopadhyay93 just built mine. I danced when it posted n the bios was already updated.
Currently in the beginning stages yikes! I got a fully modular one and I have ZERO idea which to do
Wait you guys don’t pour water on your components??
That explains a lot
It wasn’t the psu
Can we hit 1000 subs So i can brag at school
Just subbed so u can tell all ur mates ur at 815 subs
@@KxrtButReal Hahahahahahahahaha you sad, sad male. No one gives a fuck.
@@JamieReynolds89
@@JamieReynolds89 calm your tits jesus
Its all ogre now
I often overthink things to the point that I convince myself I don't know anything. It's nice to hear a second opinion.
I love how you blend comedy in with your explanations of things, but don't get off track. Makes the video very easy to watch, funny, and an overall enjoyable experiance. Thank you so much!
I'm not trying to be difficult or contradictory, but I for one would love to see some scientific testing done, over time, to verify these statements. I see a lot of videos about positive vs. negative pressure. I don't know what to believe and would love some actual proof. JayzTwoCents seems like the type to do the test and report back whether he was correct or not. Its why I watch, unwavering integrity.
What scientific proof do you need? If you draw more air in than you remove, the air will go out through the crevices of the case, thus resulting in less dust accumulating. You don't need "scientific testing" to verify common sense.
Without proof all you have is theory. Have you measured the amount of dust present in a case with positive pressure vs a case with negative pressure? If not, how can you be sure one is better than the other. Also, last I checked you are not Jay. So my comment was not directed at you.
+James Rhodes I've already does this test about air pressure with smoke
James Rhodes
I doubt there are many who would bother with that because a) it's something that is intuitive to most people, and b) experience confirms it but hey, good luck on finding those test results!
Do you have a video up? If so I missed it. I would like to see it. If not, maybe you could do one. I think it would be interesting to see.
My Gpu runs around 80C at full load, I don't think the psu will be pulling any "cool" air from it.
Mine is about 75 max unless the ambient outside is warmer than usual like peak summer, out of games 35 max, although I'm not running much from 2018-present
@Orion 8096758 if you have the right case fans the inside of you pc will not be warm. mine is generally about the same as the outside room temperature. (two front fans as intake, two top fans and a rear as exhaust)
and i know this as a fact as there's a temperature sensor inside
@Orion 8096758 He actually did address that with the entire circulation conversation when he started talking about the fan being faced down, he just didn't word it as such.
47 max here, though is that normal with older hardware?
It'll take me at least a year before I can start to build my first PC, but I'm already checking out videos like this to be as informed as possible about every important detail. Great video, thanks!
Well?
Did u build it?
Pc update?
TLDR:
Fan down: with power supply shroud, or water cooling
Fan up: on carpet, one exhaust fan, most setups
water cooling......
@@EmomanTavish gas warming......
Thanks. Saved me a whole 7 minutes and 36 seconds.
Sick Corsair SF750 badge to display: fan down.
TLDW no one reads videos
Such a vacuum in videos of this quality on the web. Simple, foundational, perfect. Thanks again Jay. :)
The FS5 makes it 10 time more enjoyable too
Also everyone loves looking at some expensive power supply #dream
HAH Def Leopard
Tom Julio Such a vacuum xD ...get it, negative pressure, vacuum... Please tell me I'm not the only one...
You're right. As always, he's awesome :)
RIGHT ON JAY! Some of us are not pros and are new to PC builds. And many (apparently) are PC geniuses that can tell you how every part you've ever bought is the wrong one.
Gilbert Quintanar well duh because everything you know is wrong and jay cant be right cuz the internet is never right
OMG, some of the Reddit comments I've read...wow. Like, some of us are building a PC for the first time and don't know everything about everything...which doesn't automatically make us morons.
@@Sampson2012bot That is true. Not knowing everything about everything when building a PC for the first time is not what made you a moron. (there are other factors at play)
You probably wont see this but please do this more often!
I am planning my first ever build and I am currently watching all of your tutorial and build videos.
Going into detail really helps me build up the confidence to actually do this myself
and not spending my lifesavings on getting a prebuild which would probably be weaker :,)
Thanks for all your advice and stuff
Exactly the same!! On my next Pc ima build one and all these videos are very VERY!! helpful 😅
It would be good if you did temperature tests in various areas of the case to support your claims.
@Bruce Wayne "common sense"? You seem to lack any. The guy asked a reasonable question and Jay provided no proof to his claims. The only thing you seem to be able to do well is swear and show the world that you are a moron.
@@justinbennett2633 you're an idiot
@Bruce Wayne You arent gonna win a argument with insults... Kindergarden went away years ago
@@christopherjames9843 That escalated quickly...
Bruce Wayne clearly no one held your hand as a kid, does it make you feel all tough now?
Heres an idea: Dont ever put your computer on carpet.
Yeah that one I thought was a doozy 😆
I have mine against it, imma get a piece of wood or something from the trash
Why?
My pc is sitting on a Newegg box
@@littobud because it can block the PSU air intake if you have one of those stupid cases that mount the PSU on the bottom.
I'd be interested in finding out just how much of that PSU exhaust loops back into the intake in the down configuration, as you suggested. I think the chassis exhaust fan above it should help keep that air on an aft trajectory. Plus, exhaust tends to be more directional than intake.
Mounted the PSU up. Just got a new M2 NVME which I tried to install. Dropped the M2 screw down in the PSU. Didn't want to open the PSU. But the screw got stuck inside the PSU. Took forever to get it out. Had to unscrew the PSU and flip it upside down and shake it for a long time.
I remounted the PSU down now. And will do it going forward.
Lay PC down if you doing work. I have 3x A12x25s at front. Air only in via filtered front. Air out via rear fan, GPU vent and PSU. Every other hole, no matter how small taped up, even PCI slot cover holes. PSU fan is hybrid and never needs to come on. The positive pressure from front fans is huge and is almost enough to blow lighter flame out if placed near psu vent. Front fans dialed in with noctua fan controller. Highest speed without being audible in dead of night. GPU is always 'actively' cooled via the flow too. Clean case, silent, cool.
Lucky it was just a screw, if the P/S was the right way up passive air flow would do the work, cooler air falling as warm rises ...
Same happened to me. That's why I'm watching this video 🤣🤣🤣
Watching this 6 years later, and building my second PC (4090/7900X). Thanks for all the advice on my builds.
Jay is the only person I’m cool with belittling me lol this is probs my fav beginners guide type channel since the more I understand certain things you have videos about more intricate things it’s nice to know people can actually learn from your videos
I am right now building my first computer and several of your videos have been so valuable!
Hey Jay, I just had to say that I stumbled upon your channel a few months ago during my research trying to learn about gaming on computers and what i would need/want in my first gaming computer build. Thank you for having a huge selection of videos to watch that was able to explain complex ideas in a simple manner to a person who had zero experience in computer building or even how a computer functions. As I now find myself semi competent at the most basic level, I still enjoy watching any of the videos you create to stay present on any new hardware or how to benefit the hardware. Thank you Jay for being awesome!
This is a positive comment.
These jokes blow me away.
Fuck you.
(that was supposed to be a negative reply :D )
CaveManta It was an airflow pun. Cause the air flow blows. Even if it is neutral.
this is a reply. not positive, not negative, and not neutral
Tuchulu Stahp youre forcing me to give a negative pressured reply
Surprised no one has ever watercooled their power supply.
tec are you dumb cpu + gpu = electricity it'd the same thing
tec you mean like the CPU, GPU, memory, and motherboard?
LakerTriangle ikr he's not the smartest
Senat I don't mean like mineral oil...Like with a custom block. If you've seen that shoot a link.
Yeah because 240v comes through the CPU, GPU or memory lol.. less than 2v goes through those and you wont even feel that.
Meanwhile the PSU is full of capacitors that, if blown, will release a deadly shock.
I built my first PC a year ago, and now I'm building an office computer. JayzTwoCents has been my "go to" for PC build questions.
Very helpful dude. I have installed fan down all the time. This gives me an argument for upward.
How do you get a heating loop when the warm air exhausted from the power supply rises?
Orion 8096758 I mean I’m pretty sure that the fan facing upwards is an input fan and the warm air is pushed out the back (I think)
@@Ethan-rz6cx You are correct intake side on top with heat exhaust going out the back of the unit. In my recent build I had no choice but to place the intake down because of separate enclosure for power supply draws air from below. Without the enclosure I would have gone intake facing up, just to draw heat from inside the box out.
When the PSU is sucking air in from below and letting it push itself out the back, there is still a suction pressure from beneath that will make even the hot air go down. You are correct that hot air rises in cold air, however, the rate at which this happens is far slower than you may expect, especially when we are talking only a few degrees difference.
I think it's simple. Having the cooler upwards, means pulling warm air into the psu. Probably the temperature inside the case decreases, but the PSU cooler is not for cooling the inside of the pc. It needs fresh air and it can get fresh air only from the downside. That's why mostly every case has an opening for the psu cooler at the bottom. Now tell me I'm wrong?
"Endless supply of content topics" No pun intended
A powerful statement
I felt alot of energy in this comment
No no no, you are an expert user, I am an advanced user. I've watched a few of your videos over time and your expert views help sway my builds. Keep it up, subbed.
Nice video. Great explanation and advice.
One thing I do not agree with.
It's almost impossible to have a loop of suction air from the power supply if it's mounted with the fan downwards.
It is advicable to have the intake air fans at the bottom or in the front of the PC, because the warm air is lighter than the cold air. That's why they changed the position of the power supply as we remember years ago it was at the top.
If you mount the power supply with the fan downwards(not on carpet) it will always suck a cold air, because it's heavier and it stays at the bottom. The warm air that goes out from the power supply wil immidiately go up so it's impossible to be sucked in again unless you have a intake fan on the back top case .
Mounting the power supply upwards it's not a bad thing too if you have a infront intake fans. But having a powerful GPU might cause a slight problem since the power supply will always suck it's not so much cold air.
It actually all depends if you want to use your powwer supply as a exhaust fan too or keep the supply in a good condition.
We're supposed to mount the power supply, i usually just let it hang at the top of my case
Def Leppard - Pour some sugar on me, I got the reference Jay ;)
XxHitmanxX The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm!
That was a 90's reference.
1996 and i got it.. like anyone wouldnt know that. anyone not loving the song should be executed and buttraped
Shit man, we're old x)
The 80's were great to be born. 90's music was awesome.
One of the best Rock bands my dude
he gets more views and 6 minutes than I have dollars in my bank account
^
Story of my life
sigh... the sad truth... lol
lmao
not me. hahahahhahahahahahahhah
Great topic. I have my EVGA Supernova 850w mounted down, because the case is on a solid surface, and there's a cover over it. I would recommend making sure you don't forget to check the bottom filter when you are cleaning your case. It is easy to forget about it. Mine needs regular cleaning, almost more than the internals.
I’m building a Sleeper PC with a top mounted PSU and a single 92mm rear exhaust fan. I have the PSU mounted with the 120mm fan facing down to act an extra exhaust fan. Works flawlessly!
I've always wondered why more water coolers don't use non conductive liquids, like the XSPC XS-EC6-CL Non Conductive Coolant. Is it less efficent than distilled water? I think a test is in order Jay. Whilst you are at it, what actually happens if this stuff spills on your motherboard, or your PSU?
I've had a couple of power supplies die prematurely from being fan side down. All Corsair models.
My theory is that the "smart" fan on Corsair PSUs won't turn on unless your computer is drawing a certain power level. Even if the power supply gets dangerously hot the fan won't kick on. The temperature safety limit will always be hit before the fan is turned on.
When flipped fan side up, natural convection is enough to solve the problem entirely.
The "too young to get the pour your sugar on me joke" bit absolutely crushed me. It made me feel so old...
Relax man I'm 18 and I got the joke, almost everybody gets the joke unless they were raised like uncultured swine
makes 2 of us
you should have took a photgraph!
I'm 16 and know lol, known since I was like 10
I'm not 30 yet and I got it, Def Leppard is awesome.
Thanks for the video. For myself, I always mount it with the fan facing down simply so that the power supply is protected from potential water leaks.
Today i removed my corsair HX1050 i installed upside down on my 9 year old rig.. the backside of the power supply has like a thick layer of dust, i couldn't even blow it off by air.. then i was surprised when i examined the internal components of this power supply through fan vents! it looked so clean from dust as if it is unpackaged from it's retail box!!.
am now 100% convinced that i would never place my power supply facing up ( as long as on solid floor).. the power supply fans would only rotate when it needs to cool, so on normal usage it is mostly off.. so having power supply vents toward inside case will only collect dust from moving air inside.. not only that.. but if a lot of dust accumulated inside power supply it may reduce cooling efficiency meaning fans will spin more often years later.. the face down approach have more benefits on the unit it self compared of pulling some air from case.. you can add regural case fans instead..
And I just used the foam packaging to keep my case stably raised above the carpet and make it easier to pick up to work on it.
Just a warning.. I mounted mine with the fan faced up since my PC sits on a carpet, and while mounting the backplate of an AIO cooler, a washer fell into the crevice between the motherboard and case, then landed in the power supply. I didn't realize this until it was too late. After testing my PC for a bit it was fine. I brought it upstairs to my normal spot, flicked the switch then hit the power button, and was then greeted with a nice gunshot sound paired with a white flash as soon as I hit the power button... Though it was my own stupidity in running the PSU without finding the missing washer... I'm never mounting my PSU with the fan faced up again. I ran into this video shortly after it happened so I don't know if the components are okay yet. :/
Sirei Talk Ouch..
Any update now? How did it hold up?
Watercooling is still a constant gamble it seems, I’m always paranoid about it, considering I got myself an AIO for the first time
Fans facing down from now on 100%
@@Glossah Everything's fine now. Only the PSU was damaged luckily. I've been running the AIO since, and it's been working great! 👍😁
@@evieamity7471 is an AIO worth the risk of leakage and water damage? Also how is maintenance on an AIO?
@@computethisinfo Mine hasn't leaked, so I can't really say whether it's worth it or not.. But so far it seems worth it for how beautiful it looks and for how well it performs. There really isn't any maintainence to be done since the liquid inside is never exposed to anything.. though I don't know for certain if it would ever need to be done.
@@evieamity7471 what about corrosion of the pipe over time from the flow of water?
And which aio do you reccomend?
I'm planning on building a pc and I'm gathering all the knowledge I can. thanks for the tips jay!
been building systems for 5 years this has never crossed mind im gonna now flip my psu.
flip the tower too for better airflow.
tootsie|troll® thanks I will post benchmark results tomorrow.
!RemindMe 1 day
@@MATTW3R 2 years later still waiting on results.
Vaughn Armstrong lol honestly it worked my PSU is still sitting with the fan facing up since this post and dust hasn't caused any sort of issue temps never changed inside of the pc I tried flipping the case but I couldnt reach the USB ports like that so test was inconclusive.
I had carpet when I lived in an apartment for college. I bought some whiteboard wood and had it cut at home depot for roughly 10$. Placed this under my PC to provide some space for air flow and also had left over whiteboard to mount on my wall for "normal" whiteboard uses.
Hey, Jay! Remember top-mounted power supplies? No shrouds, sometimes the only exhaust fan in the system? Couldn't flip them if you wanted because the screws wouldn't go in that way? Cable management meant stuffing them into the unused 5.25 bay that didn't have an optical drive in it? Good times.
I am feeling so old now.
Holy shit! Jay is getting bigger and bigger (not your weight lol). This channel is growing so fast! The amount of likes, subscribers, and views have grown so much! May not say much for what you're actually earinng but nevertheless, that's awesome! As fans we should be proud!
I got ketchup on my shirt :(
Learn from this mistake
I've got cum on my shirt :(
but you're a box, you don't wear a shirt
Psyduck Games :(
Psyduck Games ballz
Hey Jay!, i've been planning on building a PC for months!, I just want to say thanks for all the the great helpful Vids! :D
Did ya build one?
@@backutZR lol
If the power supply is mounted with the fan up, and the graphics card has an open air cooler, they would both be fighting for the same air, especially if they are close to each other. Just a taught. Great video by the way.
Since my 600C forces me to use my PSU as an exhaust fan I am really happy with this solution. This was I only have three fans inside my case (including the PSU) and the system is a lot quieter.
coincidence: opening TH-cam and seeing a Jay video from a minute ago!
like if you the same
Nice something to watch before going to bed
I tried both configurations, i wanted to see if the psu up inlet would improve air flow and draw more hot air away from the gpu, yes it would heat up the psu and have a de rating affect but the psu is oversized so this wouldn't be an issue. The result was the exact same gpu temp in both configurations which was surprising since you would think this would assist the gpu exhaust. So i left is in the down inlet standard config.
That is indeed weird.
Although, out of all the fans, I have the hardest time understanding intake/exhaust and airflow of the GPU fans.
Wow! This is perfect! I have a carpet but don't have much room to put it anywhere. My first power supply burned out due to dirt and dust intake from the bottom cent, because I didn't realize it sucked in at the time, so this would help with that.
After the first one burnt out, I managed to squeeze a table in, but now that I know this I might think about doing this!
You should do a video about the basics involving the CPU, PCIE slot numbers, PCIE 1, 2 & 3.0, and how your GPU, CPU and PCIE slots all work together.
Awesome Video as always!
Thank you Jay ;)
whoever the last viewer is make sure you close the door behind you
DKC you sir are now the donkey of the day 🤗
Allow me to summarize without watching the video.
Down: You have good airflow under the case. Not sitting on carpet suffocating the fan. Or you dont trust your water cooling setup. 🤣
Up: Down isnt an option due to airflow.
Cooler Master NR600. I should mount down? Using a Fractal Design ION+560
I recently bought a new case and put my power supply in fan up. I have an extremely dusty environment and carpet (that hasn't been vaccuumed in 15 years). Good to know that newer power supplies don't spin their fans that much. I have two intake fans at the front, that are slightly stronger than two exhaust fans one on top and one at the rear. All are running by Smart fan 5 on my motherboard so balance themselves out automatically.
Dang, nice PDXLAN shirt! I attended twice when I was in high school, probably around 2005 or so. It was the first time I went to a LAN party bigger than my friend's basement. What an experience!
POOOOOUUURRR SOME SUUUGAR ON MEEEEHHHHHH
(IN THE NAYMUV LUUVV)
JacksMacintosh COME ON ONE MOOOAAAARRR TIIIIMMMEEEEEEE
I love that song. I suppose I should thank my dad for forcing me to listen to his music on car trips.
diabetics worst nightmare that song.
Liverpoolneard, the USAAF channel here I sit, 5 months later, with absolutely no idea why I made that comment
Liverpoolneard, the USAAF channel I found it! 5:55
They should really be mounted at the top of the case like they used to be, which was for a design factor reason. Regardless of the fans intake / out take of the PSU heat 'radiates' from it (PSU one of the hottest parts of the PC). & where does that radiated heat go? Straight up or straight over all the components you want to keep as cool as possible, from bottom to top (some gets vented by fans, some of the hot air gets fed to cool heatsinks though too, which doesn't do as good a job. It (bottom mounting) started to appear when water cooling came on the scene & holes for the hoses appeared at the top of the case along with the dilemma of where the radiator / reservoir & all that jazz would sit (at the top, at least in the early days). I guess they figured if components were all on a water cooled loop the extra radiated heat wouldn't matter none. But for an air cooled system, it is extra heat in the case whether we like it or not.
Are you telling me my dell case is superior to a 200 case?
Thanks for this video. I am building a budget rig around a 6600K and bought an old C70 case secondhand, which I freaking love the look of.
I was installing the PSU (EVGA 650 GA, also secondhand) last night and having this debate internally. I settled on fan up orientation for now but may give it further consideration.
I agree with everything. Unfortunately, I have a little compartment where the PSU goes on the bottom of the case. Pointing it upwards would probably constrict the air flow even worse.
I've moved from an air 240 to a 570x case. (yeah i know, it's big for a MATX board). However with the Air240, my PSU died. You have to mount that facing out.
I suspect vaping mind have contributed to that.
I've since switched some stuff around in my room too and bought a fan (an actual fan) so the vapour doesnt have a chance to settle, and yes, mounted my new PSU facing up so its drawing it's air from inside the case.
Noise is a factor too, esp. in a very quiet system. Having the fan inside the case, it has no noise direct escape path. Even if it has to work a bit harder, it is quieter. Also the fans are more effective blowing down than blowing up (where the gravity and the push work against the seal holding the blades)
You realize that fans in a computer case are for cooling. Warm air rises. Why would fans be more effective blowing down? (this is not an actual question and is very sarcastic)
@@paulmartin2348 There are new fans that blow in the opposite direction so they work OK blowing up. But the mechanics of the fans are such that it is much more effective (and thus quieter) when blowing down, against the gravity. If the fan blows up, it is resting on the O-ring that holds the spindle. Plus the air pressure.
The convection is not a factor in a case, there is far too much of air movement inside. The fans can easily overmatch the convection.
2:18 Holy shit I have the same case and *had* that same EVGA PSU! Just upgraded to a Gigabyte Aorus AP750GM PSU now though.
1200W? It's a 600W PSU....
Hey Jay. Could you please do a video about PCI-E Overclocking with a couple of facts, benchmarks and risks? Theres pretty much no information on the internet about that topic and id like to know if you can gain performance from that. Best regards
Mounting upwards also helps the heat (which moves up) escape more easily for semi passive units.
Heh, sorry for bumping the thread. Just rearranged my cases and couldn't understand why all pc components raised 5-15 degrees Celcius.
Reason for switching my main hardware system to my newer, cheap Riotoro CR 488 was that it was almost 'empty' inside with room for tons of additional case fan mounts - where my old Cooltek midi case included tons of hdd shelves, filling the inside up, blocking airflow, not suitable for my newly ordered huge GFX card.
Then realized my old cheap German CoolTek midi case had the PSU mount upside down. And having a big solid hightadjustable table there is plenty of free air beneath the case suspension the answer was obvious. So now my PSU is installed 'mountless loose' in my Riotoro CR 488 upside down - and what a temps difference to the good side!
As long as you can put a dust filter on the fan itself, then yeah, I'm with you. Just be careful doing any maintenance with the tower standing, because screws can fall into your PSU and it's a pain in the butt to get out. XD
If it’s got vent holes for it I always install down
🎶Def Leppard - pour some sugar on me! 🎶
Absolute Classic! 💿✌👍
My old case has no bottom vent. My only problem has been dropping a screw in the power supply. Be sure to cover the top of the supply when working in the case.
I actually built my rig yesterday with NZXT h500 and have to stop for about 10mins to decide how I mount it and ended intake fan face down because: 1. I want to take it cool air into the power supply,; 2. because I already have positive air pressure by installing additional 2 140mm front panel fans... but hey this is a good video. kudos!
"You know what's cool with having such a big...
..TH-cam audience"
Ok, now you need to tell us how you balance the fans!
and what if the psu never turns on? like my super flower 80plus gold with its eco mode...
Then you don't have to worry about whether or not it gets ventilation.
I had to flip my psu to fix some squeaking issue with my psu fan and I was wondering it was a bad idea but now I am no longer worrying, thanks!
My take away, you just got a second fan (myself) pushing old air out meaning more fresh in. I almost set it fan down because the print would be right side up outside of tower where it would be plugged in. Well that's a DUMB reason to mount it if the fan mounted up inside and there's plenty of free space for the fan on the power supply to draw air out of the tower. Remembering that getting fresh (and cooler) air into the tower is just as important as exhausting the warmer (and older) air. Well, least he gave good reasons to mount it upside down? Yes he did. Thanks! And now I know the reasoning behind it too! And that's half the battle, understanding WHY you set the system up as you do it instead of using your solid but flawed logic because there are just some things you personally don't understand that can and will bite you in the butt later. This suggestion is a minor one but get enough minor ones and it turns major eventually.
"In the name of love!"
these are the real questions in life
...and now it's 2019... Positive pressure is the desired configuration. If you are using liquid cooling, use a case with a shroud...
Solid video. Clear, logical reasoning and explanations. Thanks
Some comments from the top of my head:
- When the power-supply fan is not spinning then it is not contributing to air-flow. The video mentions both, but does not link one argument to the other. Having an open grill pointing upwards then allows for the PSUs heat to spread even easier inside the case.
- A down-facing fan can suck dust into the PSU when no filter is installed. An up-facing fan will suck dust into the PSU from within the case. Even if the fan is not running, dust will fall through the open grill, because there is no filter on top of it. Regular mesh on PC cases does not filter dust. Check the dust in your case and decide if this is a possible problem.
- It seems rather unlikely that the PSU will suck warm air from its exhaust back into a down-facing fan. The heat is exhausted at pressure and then travels upwards. The down-facing fan pulls air from all directions if unblocked, air temperature below the case should usually be coolest, especially with the case standing on the floor.
- Pulling air from within the case likely is going to be warmer once a graphic-card is installed that pushes its hot air back into the case (as most cards do). This means the PSU gets hotter rather than cooler, which is ok, because a PSU usually is meant to operate at up to 50°C ambient temperature and then contribute to case ventilation. If the fan is even spinning that is.
The PSU may suck its exhaust air back in if the PC is close enough to a wall. The exhaust air out the back will hit the wall and scatter in all directions, including down to where the intake will suck it back in. I doubt the small amount of warmer air would have much of an effect on the overall temp of the PSU. The amount of warm air as well as all the cool air would make the intake temp effectively ambient anyway.
I like the Def Leppard reference
Nice video
wouldnt the air in the case be hotter cuz its being heated by the cpu, and gpu
That was happening to me with my built. The hot air from the case was f*** up all my PSU until one day I decide to flip it down and from then on never encountered air flow problems with the PSU.
Yes ,that's why psu manufacturers always recommend fan down, it's nearly always better to intake fresh,filtered air for PSU ,CPU and GPU and let case fans exhaust hot air from case, positive pressure also helps as it forces hot air out of the case as well as reducing dust.
I do have watercooling and no carpet AND an expensive PSU.
Flipping my PC case upside down as of watching this video.
Thanks for posting!
Okay, one topic that would help people like me - What to look for when choosing parts? It's easy enough to turn around and buy the best that you can afford. But, when you're saving for the parts, when do you draw the line? Do I Stop when I got enough for a 970? Go a little further for a 1060? Or wait even longer for a 1070?
Sure, you could compare to games that you want to play and see how they perform. But what about games that we don't know about or even exist yet? The card that we get with the money we have, because reality exists (not saying you don't live in reality though :P) and the money that could be spent on a more powerful card could be spent elsewhere. But if the card that we get isn't good enough in the long run, then a new card has to be bought with even more money.
Bear in mind that this is coming from someone with a Gtx 960 really wishing that he waited just a little longer to get a 970 back before the new range of cards came out.
Hell, it extends to processors just as easily - I have a i5 4460... and I have no idea if that is good!
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IN THE NAME OF LOVE,!!
POUR SOME SUGA ON MEY,!
COME ON FIRE ME UP,!~
Def leopard was the shit
Linus did a video on this before. It makes no difference at all. It comes down to " A E S T H E T I C S"
No, he mentioned it depends on where you're planning on putting your tower, if you put it on a carpet floor with no case feet, fan facing up is ideal unless you want to blow up your PSU. And a few more things.
edit - posted that comment before Jay mentioned carpet.
It doesn't make any SIGNIFICANT difference. Though if you're building you might as well mount it accordingly and optimize since it's not hurting you or your time. If you're putting it on carpet, face the fan upwards. If on hard surfaces, face it downwards to help keep dust out. And Jay made a good point I didn't think of, watercooling and potential leaking into the fan could cause a potentially, VERY bad day. But in the end it's not a big deal. Kinda like how people freak out over not having anti-static mats/wrist bands, people go their whole lives without static discharge frying their equipment but it's a nice practice if you don't want to take any chances.
Well yeah, the static discharge is a bit of a scare, but so are many other things like smokers falling asleep with a burning cigarette and getting set on fire. Maybe not the best reference, but the chance of that are very slim, yet it could happen and if it happen the consequences might be serious.
I started wearing the wrist straps just to be sure, tho following basic guidelines like evading wearing too much and specifically e-static prone clothes like wool sweaters and shit. Not saying to build half naked or fully naked, tho that might be a really fun idea if you're building with your gf, tho the build might turn slower than expected then, but hey savor more moments. :P
And again, sjw's and feminazi would be triggered so that would be "sexhist"... -_-
Which is only another reason to do it. :D
With your bf/gf's consent of course. Which is pretty much inherently self explicit, hence we don't really live in a rape culture. But I digress. xD
Pretty much you can decide about your PSU given your environment.
I personally would rather install it the normal way and not have dust fest fluffy carpet, especially if you're allergic to domestic dust [acars/mites].
Or you can simply put a nice platform there, but srsly, those carpets aren't really that good in general if you're gonna leave your pc on the ground. You will still get more dust compared to a flad surface, unless you don't mind and can vacuum it more often than the other stuff.
Basically, I think what PSU you are buying is much more important than what way you will put the fans.
Also, although it's better to get a "bigger" psu in terms of power, [you'll also shouldn't buy bigger but crappier psus], with processors [cpu + gpu] getting ever more efficient, you don't need like +1000w powerhouses.
You can easily get away with anything from [400W if very good, 450W if decently] like 500w - 850W, for the average [gaming] user, I would say anywhere around these estimates, depending on what you want to do with it. More particularly running multiple gpus.
I generally prefer the strongest single gpu than bothering with sli/xfire. As for the newer api way, which I think is much better idea, tho I don't think I will be doing this any time soon neither, and my reason would probably be if I could/want to run two cards and get benefits from exclusive features, without having to have a separate system to benefit from them. And/or you could bring some enhancement in performance without any harmful disadvantages.
But that being said, you are better buying a tougher more quality PSU, than going for the sole higher wattage. It's a good idea to go higher than "needed", as long as you don't need to drop the efficiency rating. Sorta like a thumb rule. Better get a quality 650W Gold [some like the SeaSonic and CoolerMaster are gold, but nearing Platinum] than going for a 750W Silver / cheaper quality. But honestly, that's just my preferences and these days, unless you are buying some really trashy PSU from some weird brand you will not have regrets. :P
except it does make a difference
Nice video, More 80s jokes in the future, please
I would like to see a video on dust build up. Maybe fine a 10 year old case that has never been cleaned and do bench markings of before and after clearing all the dust away.
why 10 years old? My 4790k been running 24/7 since it was the latest greatest CPU out there.. After 3 to 4 months of continuous running, I'll be running 50C at idle, and 80C under load. When cleaned, idle temp is 35 to 40C, and no more than 60C under max load. Pretty simple deduction.
I'm building in a Phanteks Enthoo Evolve itx case. There's a well vented shroud cover for the PSU to sit inside. The reason I might want to try flipping the PSU upside down is to draw the hot exhausted air being thrown downward from the GTX 1080 FTW graphics card that sits directly above it and have the heat immediately ejected out through the PSU's fan. One thing that comes to mind though, the heat may become too much for what this Corsair PSU is rated for.
0:02 i could tell by your hands you had a big youtube audience.
When he said "pour your sugar on me" I just started singing "In the name of love"
well im dumb so i can think like this. psu takes air from outside case 23´C and then blow it inside psu and then out 30´C and then like you did say in again then it will stay around 30´c something. But if it takes air from inside of the case where the gpu fans is blowing air all over the place at around 60´C then the in the psu and out. and new air from inside the case 60´C again. then psu will be warmer then it will be if it did take air from outside of case. Im i thinking wrong? and as you did say it can take same air in again that it blows out. heat goes up so some of that 30´C will not get back in. but what do i know in just a dumb swedish pc lover.
It doesnt really matter, its not a simple as 20 plus 60, the only thing that actually changes kinda noticeably is the airflow, but then again... it doesn't really matter...
Niko_2142 front fan takes in 23c and gpu makes 60c then you have let's say 50c in case. psu takes in 50c and blow it out. compare to take in 23c and blow out let's say 30c. so take air from outside case is cooler for psu so it shulde be better for it?
Uh... No. taking hotter air doesn't mean it's ability to carry heat is reduced. But if you are worried about your config, just don't, the important part is air getting where it needs to be, not if it's hotter or cooler, no one has ever had any issues, and as long as your psu is fairly decent, it just won't matter.
Niko_2142 overall it is better to have psu fan take air from outside of the case for the best temperature. I got my 1000w fractal r2 psu. I not worried about my config. I did just state this becuse jay did say it will take cooler air from inside of case and I don't think it will do that, prove me wrong. and I know that many ppl include me time to time will so what he says on the video.
tontarna jesus christ... i tried explaining it to you, but whatever you don't want to understand.
Started having problems with my power supply making a terrible noise. Come to find out my PSU was mounted fan up in a shrouded case at the factory. I'm wondering if this is the reason it's starting to give me trouble. Of course I shouldn't be surprised. This is the same PC that came with all of my fans installed as exhaust and a cooler with no thermal paste.
It's been a long time since I've done builds for others but I used to put the power supply in "fan up" orientation for this exact same reason (carpet choking). So thanks for the reminder. I don't really agree about the power supply recycling air being much of an issue, but it certainly could be if the rear of the PC was tightly enclosed under/in a desk. For my own PCs I mount it down so crap doesn't collect/fall into the PSU when it's off (which is most of the time) and so the PSU can get it's own fresh air with my setups.