In my opinion the long and short of it is that whilst the Phantom utilised the Spey powerplant, as far as performance was concerned it was ultimately flawed. The F3, albeit not as nimble far exceeded its job description. Not that of a seasoned dog fighter but as an aircraft capable of scrambling amd intercepting soviet bombers at high altitude with excellent range, speed and loitering capabilities. Both were wonderful aircraft.
From what I've read, the Tornado was more of an advance in avionics than performance. The Phantom could have been given the ADV avionics suite and some upgraded engines along with leading edge slats and that would've made up the difference if you ask me. The Phantom was also a multi-role platform whereas the ADV was not. So it could pay for itself in versatility. ADV was probably more political than practical. The Germans and Italians didn't care for it.
@Reichsfuhrer1979 Honestly, was the Tornado ADV that much better than the F-4? Look at the German Air Force, they chose to upgrade their Phantom instead of go for the ADV like their British counterparts. The Tornado ADV isn't exactly nimble in the air to air region. If the RAF Phantoms had the leading edge slats like their US counterparts, they might have been a little more maneuverable.
His comments where uncalled for but there's no denying the F-4 aerodynamically was a pig, fine fighter though it was. ADV had a much longer range, loiter time and (once it was fixed) a much better radar and weapons system so when you consider its job was long hours on patrol and flying out to meet soviet bombers as far from the UK as possible ADV performed much better than the F-4. if your Germany and the Russians are on your doorstep you would of course need a different plane.
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In my opinion the long and short of it is that whilst the Phantom utilised the Spey powerplant, as far as performance was concerned it was ultimately flawed. The F3, albeit not as nimble far exceeded its job description. Not that of a seasoned dog fighter but as an aircraft capable of scrambling amd intercepting soviet bombers at high altitude with excellent range, speed and loitering capabilities. Both were wonderful aircraft.
From what I've read, the Tornado was more of an advance in avionics than performance. The Phantom could have been given the ADV avionics suite and some upgraded engines along with leading edge slats and that would've made up the difference if you ask me. The Phantom was also a multi-role platform whereas the ADV was not. So it could pay for itself in versatility. ADV was probably more political than practical. The Germans and Italians didn't care for it.
The Speys out of our Phantoms are doing sterling service in China in the Xian JH-7 though...
Wonderful vídeo very interesting históric part of. The Proudly RAF
Fantastic vid
@Reichsfuhrer1979 Honestly, was the Tornado ADV that much better than the F-4? Look at the German Air Force, they chose to upgrade their Phantom instead of go for the ADV like their British counterparts. The Tornado ADV isn't exactly nimble in the air to air region. If the RAF Phantoms had the leading edge slats like their US counterparts, they might have been a little more maneuverable.
I suppose the Spey has lower fuel consumption than the J79, does it?
When asked the pilot said. “I was inverted”
except range, topspeed, reliability, radar, weapons numbers and flexability ;)
Read a book called F4 Phantom A Pilot's Story by Robert Prest 👍
His comments where uncalled for but there's no denying the F-4 aerodynamically was a pig, fine fighter though it was. ADV had a much longer range, loiter time and (once it was fixed) a much better radar and weapons system so when you consider its job was long hours on patrol and flying out to meet soviet bombers as far from the UK as possible ADV performed much better than the F-4. if your Germany and the Russians are on your doorstep you would of course need a different plane.
thats a raf leuchars phantom
I don't think it can be. 56 Sqn never operated out of Leuchars.
@@ollyn2107 Wattisham...
no it wasnt,, didnt have the range or weapons capability of the Phantom
Who needs any of that?
Now we have drones.
Too bad it was a botched intercept.
Good help is still hard to find.
Piece of Junk...The EE Lightening was far superior in every way.....
Just like your spelling
No it was not💀