I remember watching Superman II in the movie theater and seeing Christopher Reeve flying and placing the American Flag back on the White House then talking to the President and then looking back up at the flag, he should have won an Oscar for that.
Patrick Tormos Christopher Reeve? I definitely think that he deserved one. But you should have seen his speech at the 1996 Academy Awards right after his accident. When he was announced, the whole audience gave him a standing ovation.
@@williambelton2515 Yep. He went rogue. At first he was an asshole but by the time he said to Lorelei "I hope you don't expect me to save you because I don't do that anymore." is when he began to go rogue
John Williams may started it all with the 1st movie but I have to admit Ken Thorns version is a little more upbeat. But without Williams, Thorn wouldn't have anything to go with. Thank you John and thank you for uploading this
I don't think Thorne added anything really. I think the "extra punch" was due to what was lacking. The smaller orchestra made the percussion parts more noticeable and made the arrangement sound more militaristic.
I don't think it's fair to say Thorne would have nothing to go on. This theme is a master piece, but top composers can often do their thing, and had Thorne been given the first job, we would think it normal and love it just as much. Thorne certainly ran with this baton, and added some zing.
stndrds79 don’t forget that the original themes were composed by John Williams. The more accurate credit would’ve been like this: “Music by John Williams Adapted & Conducted by Ken Thorne” That’s essentially what was done, even though Ken Thorne did create one or two of his own motifs.
0:35, The ending to Superman II with Christopher Reeve and the American flag is GOLD! and I think the greatest superhero movie ending of all time. And the John Williams theme with Ken Thorn's version. Just absolute gold!
The idea was in development with Ilya Salkind's version being layed out with Brainiac and Mr. Mxyzptlk as the main villains, and have Supergirl in it during the time Superman II came out. But than when Superman III was in script development around 1982 it just went to Brainiac, than to just Richard Pyror and a ultimate computer when it was released in 1983.
Sorry about that sir. This should cover you for damages. Clark hands a lot of cash to the counterman, who still looks dumbfounded I'm, uh, terribly sorry about all the damage, sir. Oh, I've been, uh… uh, working out.
l truly love this theme, no matter who composes it, however l think his version has too many symbol clashes. Personally l don't think it needs it. IF you are a fan, hear first 5 notes or so, you know what is coming. l really don't care any other version of a Superman theme. l think when they make a movie (especially) they should ALWAYS use the base material from Mr. Williams! You never see them screwing with Star Trek or Star Wars, those themes are iconic, and so should be Superman's music! Thank you for the upload! Wish they had this on itunes, l'd buy it.
Thần Thoại và Khoa Học keep in mind that we have yet to hear the original score by Tom Holkenborg AKA Junkie XL. He confirmed that he did complete the score before both Zack Snyder and he were replaced.
robert szvetics he did write these themes, but was unable to score “Superman II” due to scheduling conflicts with both“The Empire Strikes Back” and “Raiders of the Lost Ark.” At least, that’s the way John Williams himself remembers it. But he was glad that they would still use the themes he had already written.
@Michael Kurland I heard Williams and the Salkinds had a falling out. That's why they got Ken Thorne. Also why Williams never returned for any of the sequels later on.
General Zod “Superman IV” actually did have three new themes composed by Williams himself: • Lacy Warfield’s Theme • Jeremy’s Theme & • Nuclear Man’s Theme All three were composed by John Williams, and then arranged by Alexander Courage for use in the film. The two also created concert versions of those themes, even though they have yet to be performed at any concert. The complete score is available from La-La Land Records for those who are interested.
@@generalzod2497 He was busy scoring The Empire Strikes Back that's why he didn't score Superman 2 plus he was going to get ready to score Raiders Of The Lost Ark
Chris honored John Williams at an awards show & paid him the highest compliment when he said without John Williams’ score, Superman’s powers are useless.
I prefer ken thorne ,s version of superman to john,s version. and as for richard donner,s version of the film am very glad that wasn't released. crap. crap and triple crap.
+jason sramek it wasn't polished...the story was so much better than this sequel bullshit...I believe Lester's Superman 2 ruined the landscape of sequels...we would have had a saga with a completed storyline rather than this phony version
@@serwinzzalot9989 I would've liked to see Ilya Salkind's idea of Superman III with Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, and Supergirl. But if they cut from his version of total incest storyline and also cut the time travel idea he had planned out with the idea, than it would been a terrific film after this one worked will out.
I remember watching Superman II in the movie theater and seeing Christopher Reeve flying and placing the American Flag back on the White House then talking to the President and then looking back up at the flag, he should have won an Oscar for that.
Patrick Tormos Christopher Reeve? I definitely think that he deserved one. But you should have seen his speech at the 1996 Academy Awards right after his accident. When he was announced, the whole audience gave him a standing ovation.
I couldnt agee more it brought a tear to my eye i hope Mr,Reeve is resting in peace may god bless him.
@@robertszvetics210 I saw it, it floored me how beautiful it was. It ranked up their with the Fred Rogers speech.
0:58 Good afternoon, Mr. President. Sorry I've been away so long. I won't let you down again
Patriotic!
one of the greatest endings in movie history
Until Superman III lol!
He did let him down in superman 3 again when he turned bad lol
@@williambelton2515 Yep. He went rogue. At first he was an asshole but by the time he said to Lorelei "I hope you don't expect me to save you because I don't do that anymore." is when he began to go rogue
John Williams may started it all with the 1st movie but I have to admit Ken Thorns version is a little more upbeat. But without Williams, Thorn wouldn't have anything to go with. Thank you John and thank you for uploading this
I agree John Williams is the master but, there is more punch to Ken Thorne version which makes it sound a little better
indeed, Thorne added a little something that makes a great soundtrack even better
Exactly!!!
I don't think Thorne added anything really. I think the "extra punch" was due to what was lacking. The smaller orchestra made the percussion parts more noticeable and made the arrangement sound more militaristic.
I don't think it's fair to say Thorne would have nothing to go on.
This theme is a master piece, but top composers can often do their thing, and had Thorne been given the first job, we would think it normal and love it just as much.
Thorne certainly ran with this baton, and added some zing.
The Real Superman lives on
as long as we remember him he will never die
I like how in Ken Thorne's version the march mellows down a bit at 1:41, and circles back to the initial epic buildup.
always loved this movie!! and loved ken thorns music!!
stndrds79 don’t forget that the original themes were composed by John Williams. The more accurate credit would’ve been like this:
“Music by John Williams
Adapted & Conducted by Ken Thorne”
That’s essentially what was done, even though Ken Thorne did create one or two of his own motifs.
@@darthkurland you are correct
Im terribly sorry about all the damage sir. Oh ive been (arms moving) working out
Timothy Mckee um... breaking the 4th wall?
0:35, The ending to Superman II with Christopher Reeve and the American flag is GOLD! and I think the greatest superhero movie ending of all time. And the John Williams theme with Ken Thorn's version. Just absolute gold!
1:31 - "Coming Soon Superman III" :-O
The idea was in development with Ilya Salkind's version being layed out with Brainiac and Mr. Mxyzptlk as the main villains, and have Supergirl in it during the time Superman II came out. But than when Superman III was in script development around 1982 it just went to Brainiac, than to just Richard Pyror and a ultimate computer when it was released in 1983.
"Er, wait, we've just seen a rough cut. Scratch that."
Kalvin Goodlaxson I believe that “Superman III” would’ve been better without Richard Pryor and with Brainiac. But who would’ve portrayed Brainiac?
"Good afternoon, Mr. President! Sorry I've been away so long. I won't let you down again."
This movie is my most favorite dc movie of all time
A triumphant end to one of the great superhero movies.
And by the way, 20 people are fans of General Zod.
Wonderful! Thanks so much for uploading this PJ. Very rare on TH-cam. Big thumbs up.
your welcome
S U P E R M A N II
La Aventura Continúa
Próximamente SUPERMAN III
0:35 when school lets out for the weekend
Sorry about that sir. This should cover you for damages.
Clark hands a lot of cash to the counterman, who still looks dumbfounded
I'm, uh, terribly sorry about all the damage, sir. Oh, I've been, uh… uh, working out.
We all know John Williams is a master composer but Ken Thorne was in the pocket with this one
l truly love this theme, no matter who composes it, however l think his version has too many symbol clashes. Personally l don't think it needs it. IF you are a fan, hear first 5 notes or so, you know what is coming. l really don't care any other version of a Superman theme. l think when they make a movie (especially) they should ALWAYS use the base material from Mr. Williams! You never see them screwing with Star Trek or Star Wars, those themes are iconic, and so should be Superman's music! Thank you for the upload! Wish they had this on itunes, l'd buy it.
Spectacular!
what a brilliant soundtrack
tks..super!!!!!!
supeman 1 2 3 4 john williams
June 19: 40th Anniversary of Superman 2
My favorite part of this entire theme is at 4:15
Bestter than Justice league
Thần Thoại và Khoa Học keep in mind that we have yet to hear the original score by Tom Holkenborg AKA Junkie XL. He confirmed that he did complete the score before both Zack Snyder and he were replaced.
*JOSStice League
coming soon superman 3 was at the end credits pity it turned out as a bit of a dud
it doesnt get any better than johnny williams
robert szvetics he did write these themes, but was unable to score “Superman II” due to scheduling conflicts with both“The Empire Strikes Back” and “Raiders of the Lost Ark.” At least, that’s the way John Williams himself remembers it. But he was glad that they would still use the themes he had already written.
@Michael Kurland I heard Williams and the Salkinds had a falling out. That's why they got Ken Thorne. Also why Williams never returned for any of the sequels later on.
General Zod “Superman IV” actually did have three new themes composed by Williams himself:
• Lacy Warfield’s Theme
• Jeremy’s Theme
&
• Nuclear Man’s Theme
All three were composed by John Williams, and then arranged by Alexander Courage for use in the film. The two also created concert versions of those themes, even though they have yet to be performed at any concert. The complete score is available from La-La Land Records for those who are interested.
@@generalzod2497 He was busy scoring The Empire Strikes Back that's why he didn't score Superman 2 plus he was going to get ready to score Raiders Of The Lost Ark
Chris honored John Williams at an awards show & paid him the highest compliment when he said without John Williams’ score, Superman’s powers are useless.
i wish they would put out a superman 2 cd.
Me too
I have the soundtrack on cd
awesome, thanks!v
Clark Kent: This order's to go!
Rocky: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
“I’m terribly sorry for the damage sir. I’ve been uh…working out”
1:46 😲😲😲😲
🌎 ⛅️ 😁
Harigato
Needs more bass. sounds too thin.
louis borselio if Ken Thorne had a bigger orchestra to work with, that might have provided the extra oomph that you’re referring to.
@@darthkurland Ken Thorne did just fine. It's the audio quality of this video I'm referring to.
surely Beethoven would have liked it very much, thanks Williams/Thorne
I prefer ken thorne ,s version of superman to john,s version. and as for richard donner,s version of the film am very glad that wasn't released. crap. crap and triple crap.
Frost12345 Frost12345 without John Williams version there would be no Ken Thorne adaptation.
i agree with all this completely, especially how terrible that Donner cut of this movie was. I hated that so much!
+jason sramek it wasn't polished...the story was so much better than this sequel bullshit...I believe Lester's Superman 2 ruined the landscape of sequels...we would have had a saga with a completed storyline rather than this phony version
@@serwinzzalot9989 I would've liked to see Ilya Salkind's idea of Superman III with Brainiac, Mr. Mxyzptlk, and Supergirl. But if they cut from his version of total incest storyline and also cut the time travel idea he had planned out with the idea, than it would been a terrific film after this one worked will out.
cut dick donner a little slack he didn't finshed the film he was fired.
0:58 “Good Afternoon Mr. President. Sorry I’ve been away so long. I won’t let you down again.” 🫡🥹