I know a bloke (prefer to keep anonymous) who was at Essendon during Knights’ tenure and only played VFL games due to injuries over at least two seasons. He told me that Knights never once in the entire time came and spoke to him one-on-one. That is poor coaching.
Lyon almost got to the heart of what has really held Essendon back - recruiting. The recruiting from 2000-2006 was just awful and compounded the problem caused by so many great players retiring or being traded out. The second-best team of 2001 became the second-worst in 2006, despite having Fletcher, Hird, JJ, MJ and Lucas still playing well (Lloyd was injured for most of that '06 season). The rot started a lot earlier than Knights or the supplements saga. By the time the Dons had a decent side again, the suspensions were imposed and that all-but extinguished any chance we had to go further than the 7th-placed finishes of 2013-14. Now the list needs to be rebuilt *AGAIN*, as our gun players are ageing. We won't see finals success for a few years yet. Lyon is right, however. The key is building a quality list.
@Luke Vittorio You're not wrong about the lack of depth in several of those Drafts. We still acquired some decent players through that period - Welsh, Winderlich, Watson, Stanton, Lovett, Monfries, Ryder, Dempsey, Hocking and Houli. Other than Watson, however, none turned out to be genuine A-grade talents. Stanton you could argue nudged that level at times, while Houli was completely mishandled by Knights and rightly walked out on us. Lovett was a gun but came with a lot of off-field baggage, which eventually caught up with him. We also had some bad luck with a number of high picks - Winderlich, Dempsey, Gumbleton and Pears all had A-grade ability but were set back significantly by injury. Welsh was also a handy player who was forced to retire at 28 due to successive soft-tissue injuries. I acknowledge that there were vitiating circumstances through that period. In saying that, Essendon still made avoidable mistakes. In 2001, for example, we Drafted Shane Harvey (pick 18), a promising junior but not top 30 quality, and Simon O'Keefe (pick 34), who never played a game. We could've recruited any number of decent players in their place. Jason Gram and Steve Johnson went just after Harvey, for instance, while Sam Mitchell and Leigh Montagna went just after O'Keefe. More than that, however, was that the recycled players we brought in mostly were predictable duds: Scott Camporeale (past it), Richard Cole (no good), Justin Murphy (past it), Ben Haynes (no good), Mark Alvey (no good), Matthew Allan (past it). Only Mal Michael, Adam McPhee and Damian Cupido were worthwhile recruits in that regard. In any case, the bald facts of the matter are that Essendon went from no.2 to no.15 in the space of five seasons and hasn't won even one final in the years since. Notwithstanding all the circumstances, that's a poor outcome and must be a reflection in part on the recruiting decisions that were made.
Seeing this from 2021, it's nice the young players we got in when Danniher, Saad and Orazio left. Also looking back Hird got the team to play very well for the first time in the longest time, before the saga implosion.
Still frustrating to hear them words from Matthew Knights regarding Lloyd playing team football in the forward line. Here is our greatest forward of all time, It's his bloody forward line, he can do what he wants, he has kicked surplus goals throughout his career, don't come along and try to reinvent the wheel with the one of the only players on the list that is a legitimate HOF star.
@@jeffreyepsteinseggshapedpe143 I didn't stutter, Lloyd was Essendon's leading goal kicker for 12 season, kicked close to 1000 goals (would have kicked over and beyond that if it weren't for Knights). Not taking anything away from Coleman due to injuries etc, however Lloyd is Essendon's best goal kicker in history. Also check your facts dude, Essendon's leading goal kicker each year receives the "Matthew Lloyd" Medal.
@@jyeborg7017 oh I had know idea it was called the Matthew Lloyd medal ! Haha that will shut me up 😂😂 Both absolute guns tbh, I just worry people focus to much on the more modern stars as it's fresher In the memory bank than the classics who set the standard years before. All just conjecture though really . Not even an Essendon fan tbh
Lloydy was the best set shot for goal I have ever seen, even pips Plugger in m y(biased) opinion - I miss Lloydy desperately (and never more so than when Joe D is going back for a shot...)
Bombers haven’t always been bad since the beginning of 2005 but they haven’t been the type of side like they were when Matty Lloyd and James Hird played
I remember that famous Prelim in ‘99 and when they won in ‘00 I was a near 9 and 10 at the time and I’m almost donning 31 it’s been a long time for the Dons and hopefully not a hell load more
North Melbourne has the same issue; but we didn't have a drugs saga, player appeal to basically trade for whoever they want or a massive member base. Essendon have a few things going wrong
Ron Barassi once said, "There are those who make it happen. There are those who watch it happen and then there are those who say what happened?". I think Essendon have finally got enough players who are willing to put their hands up and say, "Watch us. We're ready to make it happen". I guess time will tell. They just need the belief in themselves but more importantly, a greater belief in each other. Go Bombers!!
I assume you are not referring to the players who are being held there against their will. They have been no good since Sheedy left. This is a case of history repeating. Melbourne were the biggest power in the game way back then they showed Norm Smith the door. Essendon are a basket case and will take generations to get past the stain of being drug cheats.
@@greypossum1 Marcus I humbly disagree...Essendon has some players made of the right stuff but. by and large, they are imports and those newly arrived...where they fall down, and this is crucial to understand, is in that 100-250 game bracket...these are the players who ought be the leaders of this team...they should lead by example, commit to the club, demand excellence from their teammates...the only one I can think of that fits this bill is Hurley and he was punted from the leadership group...I like Hepp but he hasn't a trace of mongrel in him...Merrit is a gun but no leader...Zaharakis?...please...Hooker's intense but too error prone and almost done...Raz and Joe would rather be elsewhere...when that bracket of players is wanting, it is death to the culture and its prospects...they are who the young look to as examples of what attitude and standards to bring each week...the ON FIELD leadership at the club has stunk since Jobe left...that is what needs to be fixed...
@@desiolle2874 It seems you want a team of champions. And that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. I also agree with some of your assessments. But all I ask for is a champion team with belief in themselves because a champion team will always beat a team of champions.
@@greypossum1 Man I want a team that will bleed for one another and the jumper...I swear even if we won spoons I'd rather that than some loosely affiliated bunch that, at times, play like it's more of a job...the nucleus of what is required is there...they need real leaders to take it somewhere...
Zachary98 the fact that, throughout his coaching career, he was always the bridesmaid. Not only that, when the game evolved past his defensive gameplan, his dug in his heels rather than changed it.
He brang two ordinary teams to grand finals . Freo and saints where both middle.of the road teams until they started playing Ross's footy ( which I don't neccaracerilly like) but results speak . If he had got the reigns of a powerhouse club he would have cleaned up I think .
Everybody cheated Carlton were the scapegoats because they had been so successful. If everything was fair the AFL would be investigating Ricky Nixons comments about rorting the system with North's CEO to get Wayne Carey contract done. Back in those days it was the wild wild west, most if not all clubs were paying their best players with brown paper bags.
@@xpacnwo2000 I think most teams paid players outside of the salary cap sure... but the way Carlton did it and the amount they did it by was why they got smashed. Also didn't help that Stephen Kernahan dobbed them in! Carlton went over by $1.37 million! That was ridiculous. Essendon on the other hand were doing it for 6 years... including a year the won the flag. Flag should have been taken off them. No other club was caught to that extent... so not sure if they were anywhere near as bad.
@@frankmat They weren't caught, doesnt mean they didn't do it. You really think Alan Mcalister kept it all above board in 90? Half the team were getting cash visits outside the cap. Carlton were made examples of, the punishment was overs to show every other club to pull their heads in. The bummers have been a shady operation since 93.
In the coaching world they rate players between a 1-10 for a game. We have too many players that play at a 4 or a 10, too inconsistent. Coaches want players that play at a 7 or 8 each game. Saad, Tipingwuti, Fantasia, Bellchambers, Zaharakis, all play at a 10 out of 10 one week then go missing the next.
It is a very even competition in the last 20 or so years, therefore small advantages can make a big difference in the win/loss column. I don't think you can overestimate the drastic effect of taking a first round and a second round draft pick in consecutive years can have, those picks are only 6 and 7 years ago now, so if they picked four 18 year olds, they would now be 25-26 maybe have played 60-100 games. Any team would benefit greatly from even 2 extra players with that age/games played profile. It can obviously be argued whether they would have picked well but denying any team access to top picks affects young talent and trades. 2 or 3 extra wins turns almost any team finishing 7-10 into a top 4 team. Having said all that, I have zero sympathy for Essendon. GOOOOOO HAWKS
The board had a lot to answer for back in Sheedys last year. Jackson and Co announced Sheedys forced resignation mid season, they lost 9 of the last 11 games due to that and what looked like a promising year went shit. They then elected to go with Knights over Dimma as Knights reasoned they had a great list when in reality it was rubbish as told by Hardwick, club didn’t listen and gave the job to Knights. They then turned a blind eye during the supplement saga until it got out of hand. Poor form really.
Thomas Healey he basically just said some people aren’t up to the standard to be an afl coach. Maybe he knows himself that he isn’t up to it. He could possibly be a member of the board and try to help the club that way. But it’s completely up to him and Essendon. (Not a bombers fan)
Bomber Thomson was undone before he got to the bombers, he was undone at Geelong, not that I’m blaming the Geelong footy club but they made the right call to ditch Thompson when they did
The culture of a club is important. The Eagles managed to bounce back from the druggie culture and loss of talent by it. I guess it shows that it's hard to bounce back from loss of draft picks, no matter the club.
Orazio and Daniher want to go then let them go. Heppell is a blue collar player at best. This will ruffle a few feathers.. Zaharakis is the turnover king, a lot of his disposals go to the opposition. Walla/Tippa= on/off/off/on/off/off/on. No real stand out stars in that team. Need a commanding tall figure at full forward (please not Daniher). Fast track Irving Mosquito to the seniors. Let the settled squad know that put in or get out. I'm freaking sick of seeing the Bombers being portrayed like this. We stuck by you long enough through all that supplements crap, now I want to see results.
Steve I'd be happy if they put out 22 blokes every week who busted their ass...seniority, position. reputation out the window...if you want it bad, you're in...if you're cruising, GTFO of our jumper...I don't care if we lose, just play the boys who have a white hot crack...if you do this for long enough, we'll start winning....
@@desiolle2874 Too right mate.I sometimes watch the old games from the 80's and 90's and wonder when will we have players like them. Aggressive, hard at the ball and football skills to boot. None of this rubbish of who ran the 5 km time trial the fastest. I'm sick of hearing commentators mentioning someone's running ability when their basic football skills is very average.
@@stavio12 that 2000 team had it in spades...a super team which balanced hardness with class...more leaders than passengers...I've been watching since 76 and they're the best we've ever put out there I reckon... Today they should be locked down studying what a team looks like...they worked to make the others around them better.... If you want to talk stats, jam the KPI's up your freckle and tell me how many smothers or shepherds a players has...they're the stats which matter most...they're the stats which tell you you're team gives a shit...
Essendon has had extremely poor executive leadership and football department leadership. Frank Costa said that an important part of leadership is about surrounding yourself with the best people. Xavier Campbell has shown that he is not comfortable or capable with having the best people surrounding him. He’s very insecure in his leadership style and when interviewed he uses confused corporate language that evades the core problems at his club. Evidence of this is clearly seen in the appointments he’s made and the long line of footy directors, coaches, team managers that have gone through the revolving door policy at Essendon.
Apparently he fucked up his computer presentation and fucked up again by telling the suits that the list was average...Knighta said it was a fantastic list and could handle his software...there's too many suits at Essendon and too much faith in Dodoro...even with Jesus in the box, a dud is still a dud on the ground...
Kinda fitting in the last finals win that Jimmy had the ball at the end of the game. Huge shift in the culture which has lead to players leaving, no consistent leadership from the top and some poor recruitment. Just no real "superstar talent" like Hird, Fletcher or Lloyd. Had some good players since, but no legends.
S Irwin Yep, agree with that and I put a lot of it down to inept drafting over the Dodoro era. Not a single player drafted during his 15 years could be considered to have had an elite career. The only two that come close were Father and Son selections in J Watson and J Daniher. Our best players today are trades from other clubs in Shiel, Smith, Stinger and Saad. Other than Zac Merrett, we really can’t claim a draft coup (although McGrath, Francis and Parish should have solid careers but so they should being Top 5 selections). Everything else over the last 15 years has been , well, meh!
@@windyhillbomber Yeah Watson was a gun. Closest there has been. You just knew what you were getting from Hird, Fletcher & Lloyd and they could change the game in our favour very quickly. All the players we have had since have been relatively inconsistent. They go missing and then bop up for a moment here and there. But with those legends you were getting it almost every game as opposed to once a month. And they were surrounded by many good drafted players. I think we have gone down the track of Carlton in the mid-00s. Trading for too many old, recycled players. They have done the right thing now and have drafted well getting Cripps and co. and we should do the same.
What a load of rubbish. Lyon hasn’t coached a team to a Premiership and was hopeless at Freo. McGuire can’t see past Collingwood. Caro talks a load of rubbish and lies. Expected more from Lloydy. His last 2 years weren’t great under Knights. He hasn’t been at the club through the tough few years we’ve been through and he’s not part of what’s happening at the club now. Unless you’re there you don’t know what the feeling is like, Essendon hadn’t won a Premiership for 19 years until Sheeds came and you can’t replace him as the brilliant coach he was. Lloydy should spend some time at the club before making these comments
The only thing I can say in his defence is, for a period of time, he was actually mentoring and giving Joe Daniher goal kicking coaching when he was first having the yips. So he would have caught an insight into how the club was run during that time, but definitely not enough from an administrative point of view. All his comments there would be speculative.
I can’t take fckheads on the internet seriously when they post crap like this. “Ross Lyon was hopeless at Freo” what a Fcking stupid comment. You’re completely wrong. He coached them to top of the ladder, top 4 and to a grand final all in different years. You’re comment has been proven incorrect. No one takes your opinion seriously. You’ve got no idea. Moron
@@justinwakeling8669 thank you , I wasn't a fan of his game plan, but results speak . He was a tactical wizard and brang two average teams yo grand finals
It's disappointing that Lloyd is aloud to have a career in the media after lineing up Swell & breaking his head on purpose! A jail sentence seems more appropriate!
A lot of clubs wouldn't have got through like Essendon did, what a lot of rubbish. The AFL ensured they were not penalised too harshly as to jeopardise there long term future. They got off lightly considering how greatly they cheated. How Dr. Bruce Reid wasn't deregistered for his part is still a mystery. A few Bombers fans I know think that Hird should come back as coach, talk about delusional!
Those comments from Knights were indicative of his narrow-minded attitude during his tenure as coach. You can't throw your star full forward onto the wing and tell him to be a team player. Lloyd had many attributes as a player but elite aerobic capacity wasn't one of them. Knights tried to make a point and it cost the club a year or two of its greatest goal-kicker.
Lloyd is all about is oversized ego, its easy to snipe from the cheap seat in the media, allot harder to get your hands dirty and actually make a contribution to the club in form of coaching etc.
BMR Coaching Academy ...he spent several years in a non paid coaching role, specifically working with the forward line players skills. Hope that helps.
Lloyd is entitled to his opinion, he kicked 926 goals and sits in the overall top 10 in 150 years of the game. I think that entitles him to an opinion not regarded as “sniping”. He’s passionate about Essendon but his opinions on them and all other clubs is generally quite measured and fair. What a stupid, baseless comment.
@@jakeseymour2484 its easy to have an opinion when you have never been paid to be a Head Coach or run a football club, its easy to have opinions in the cheap seats
I was there for Lloyd's last game, it was at docklands stadium, one of those moments I'll never forget.
The Gunman no it wasn’t, it was at the MCG when he cleaned up Brad Sewell
Mcg lol
Too much spray fumes 😂
Lloyd's last game was when he poleaxed Sewell at the MCG. He got a 4 week suspension.
I know a bloke (prefer to keep anonymous) who was at Essendon during Knights’ tenure and only played VFL games due to injuries over at least two seasons. He told me that Knights never once in the entire time came and spoke to him one-on-one. That is poor coaching.
Daniel Kneebone Sounds Adrian Dodoro, he’s like that !
Mathew Watson Adrian doddoro isn’t the senior coach, so of course he doesn’t talk to the players
Charlie No he’s only the head of recruiting. Why would he speak to players about contracts etc 🙄
Mate he was the worst coach in AFL history. Not just statistically. He set the bombers back so much.
@@shaunhooker85 would have thought statisticly that Tim Watson would be the worst coach.
Llyod is spot on.
I've been supporting Essendon for well over 20 years and I'm sick of the mediocrity and failure year after year
Nino Papalia just need a forward line and we will be up there but seriously we have no grunt anymore
in short, no real leaders
They need a culture they need leaders orazio was put up for leadership and wanted to leave and joe Daniher
@@thejoeboganexperience7146 both seem to be the flakey type, there is no one with a dominant personality and approach to game.
Nino Papalia when the success does come every man & his dog will come up with any reason to try & drag the club back down these days
Lloyd. Legend! ❤
Lyon almost got to the heart of what has really held Essendon back - recruiting. The recruiting from 2000-2006 was just awful and compounded the problem caused by so many great players retiring or being traded out. The second-best team of 2001 became the second-worst in 2006, despite having Fletcher, Hird, JJ, MJ and Lucas still playing well (Lloyd was injured for most of that '06 season). The rot started a lot earlier than Knights or the supplements saga.
By the time the Dons had a decent side again, the suspensions were imposed and that all-but extinguished any chance we had to go further than the 7th-placed finishes of 2013-14. Now the list needs to be rebuilt *AGAIN*, as our gun players are ageing. We won't see finals success for a few years yet. Lyon is right, however. The key is building a quality list.
@Luke Vittorio You're not wrong about the lack of depth in several of those Drafts. We still acquired some decent players through that period - Welsh, Winderlich, Watson, Stanton, Lovett, Monfries, Ryder, Dempsey, Hocking and Houli. Other than Watson, however, none turned out to be genuine A-grade talents. Stanton you could argue nudged that level at times, while Houli was completely mishandled by Knights and rightly walked out on us. Lovett was a gun but came with a lot of off-field baggage, which eventually caught up with him. We also had some bad luck with a number of high picks - Winderlich, Dempsey, Gumbleton and Pears all had A-grade ability but were set back significantly by injury. Welsh was also a handy player who was forced to retire at 28 due to successive soft-tissue injuries. I acknowledge that there were vitiating circumstances through that period.
In saying that, Essendon still made avoidable mistakes. In 2001, for example, we Drafted Shane Harvey (pick 18), a promising junior but not top 30 quality, and Simon O'Keefe (pick 34), who never played a game. We could've recruited any number of decent players in their place. Jason Gram and Steve Johnson went just after Harvey, for instance, while Sam Mitchell and Leigh Montagna went just after O'Keefe.
More than that, however, was that the recycled players we brought in mostly were predictable duds: Scott Camporeale (past it), Richard Cole (no good), Justin Murphy (past it), Ben Haynes (no good), Mark Alvey (no good), Matthew Allan (past it). Only Mal Michael, Adam McPhee and Damian Cupido were worthwhile recruits in that regard.
In any case, the bald facts of the matter are that Essendon went from no.2 to no.15 in the space of five seasons and hasn't won even one final in the years since. Notwithstanding all the circumstances, that's a poor outcome and must be a reflection in part on the recruiting decisions that were made.
@@HarrynJessie The handling of Bachar is the biggest ill effect of Knights's tenure at the club
Seeing this from 2021, it's nice the young players we got in when Danniher, Saad and Orazio left. Also looking back Hird got the team to play very well for the first time in the longest time, before the saga implosion.
Still frustrating to hear them words from Matthew Knights regarding Lloyd playing team football in the forward line. Here is our greatest forward of all time, It's his bloody forward line, he can do what he wants, he has kicked surplus goals throughout his career, don't come along and try to reinvent the wheel with the one of the only players on the list that is a legitimate HOF star.
jye borg well said. I wanted to yell, he kicked nearly 1000 goals. You know nothing knights.
Lloyd over Coleman?
Don't remember anyone ever winning a Lloyd medal
@@jeffreyepsteinseggshapedpe143 I didn't stutter, Lloyd was Essendon's leading goal kicker for 12 season, kicked close to 1000 goals (would have kicked over and beyond that if it weren't for Knights). Not taking anything away from Coleman due to injuries etc, however Lloyd is Essendon's best goal kicker in history. Also check your facts dude, Essendon's leading goal kicker each year receives the "Matthew Lloyd" Medal.
@@jyeborg7017 oh I had know idea it was called the Matthew Lloyd medal ! Haha that will shut me up 😂😂
Both absolute guns tbh, I just worry people focus to much on the more modern stars as it's fresher In the memory bank than the classics who set the standard years before.
All just conjecture though really .
Not even an Essendon fan tbh
Lloydy was the best set shot for goal I have ever seen, even pips Plugger in m y(biased) opinion - I miss Lloydy desperately (and never more so than when Joe D is going back for a shot...)
Bombers haven’t always been bad since the beginning of 2005 but they haven’t been the type of side like they were when Matty Lloyd and James Hird played
Past success does not entitle you to future success
Makes you yearn for it though and want to see it again. If that’s entitlement so be it.
I remember that famous Prelim in ‘99 and when they won in ‘00 I was a near 9 and 10 at the time and I’m almost donning 31 it’s been a long time for the Dons and hopefully not a hell load more
North Melbourne has the same issue; but we didn't have a drugs saga, player appeal to basically trade for whoever they want or a massive member base. Essendon have a few things going wrong
Get some grunt Dons
Fix up the forward line
Not to far off
Go Hard
It's been a long hard road, but it'll be that much sweeter when the Dons are back on top.
Ron Barassi once said, "There are those who make it happen. There are those who watch it happen and then there are those who say what happened?". I think Essendon have finally got enough players who are willing to put their hands up and say, "Watch us. We're ready to make it happen". I guess time will tell. They just need the belief in themselves but more importantly, a greater belief in each other. Go Bombers!!
I assume you are not referring to the players who are being held there against their will. They have been no good since Sheedy left. This is a case of history repeating. Melbourne were the biggest power in the game way back then they showed Norm Smith the door. Essendon are a basket case and will take generations to get past the stain of being drug cheats.
@@tiborsol7959 It is always good when comment provokes a substantiative conversation. Sadly this was not the case here.
@@greypossum1 Marcus I humbly disagree...Essendon has some players made of the right stuff but. by and large, they are imports and those newly arrived...where they fall down, and this is crucial to understand, is in that 100-250 game bracket...these are the players who ought be the leaders of this team...they should lead by example, commit to the club, demand excellence from their teammates...the only one I can think of that fits this bill is Hurley and he was punted from the leadership group...I like Hepp but he hasn't a trace of mongrel in him...Merrit is a gun but no leader...Zaharakis?...please...Hooker's intense but too error prone and almost done...Raz and Joe would rather be elsewhere...when that bracket of players is wanting, it is death to the culture and its prospects...they are who the young look to as examples of what attitude and standards to bring each week...the ON FIELD leadership at the club has stunk since Jobe left...that is what needs to be fixed...
@@desiolle2874 It seems you want a team of champions. And that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. I also agree with some of your assessments. But all I ask for is a champion team with belief in themselves because a champion team will always beat a team of champions.
@@greypossum1 Man I want a team that will bleed for one another and the jumper...I swear even if we won spoons I'd rather that than some loosely affiliated bunch that, at times, play like it's more of a job...the nucleus of what is required is there...they need real leaders to take it somewhere...
Ross Lyon lecturing anyone on the key to success is a bit rich.
Texas Cheesecake how?
Zachary98 the fact that, throughout his coaching career, he was always the bridesmaid. Not only that, when the game evolved past his defensive gameplan, his dug in his heels rather than changed it.
He brang two ordinary teams to grand finals .
Freo and saints where both middle.of the road teams until they started playing Ross's footy ( which I don't neccaracerilly like) but results speak .
If he had got the reigns of a powerhouse club he would have cleaned up I think .
Lolz all he talked about was fundamentals - after that? There’s more
Just like Carlton... they cheated and it's taken decades to come back from it. Still haven't
Everybody cheated Carlton were the scapegoats because they had been so successful. If everything was fair the AFL would be investigating Ricky Nixons comments about rorting the system with North's CEO to get Wayne Carey contract done. Back in those days it was the wild wild west, most if not all clubs were paying their best players with brown paper bags.
@@xpacnwo2000 I think most teams paid players outside of the salary cap sure... but the way Carlton did it and the amount they did it by was why they got smashed. Also didn't help that Stephen Kernahan dobbed them in!
Carlton went over by $1.37 million! That was ridiculous.
Essendon on the other hand were doing it for 6 years... including a year the won the flag. Flag should have been taken off them.
No other club was caught to that extent... so not sure if they were anywhere near as bad.
@@frankmat They weren't caught, doesnt mean they didn't do it. You really think Alan Mcalister kept it all above board in 90? Half the team were getting cash visits outside the cap. Carlton were made examples of, the punishment was overs to show every other club to pull their heads in. The bummers have been a shady operation since 93.
In hindsight, would Gary Ayres have been a perfect replacement for sheeds, considering he was an assistant under him?
In the coaching world they rate players between a 1-10 for a game.
We have too many players that play at a 4 or a 10, too inconsistent.
Coaches want players that play at a 7 or 8 each game. Saad, Tipingwuti, Fantasia, Bellchambers, Zaharakis, all play at a 10 out of 10 one week then go missing the next.
It is a very even competition in the last 20 or so years, therefore small advantages can make a big difference in the win/loss column. I don't think you can overestimate the drastic effect of taking a first round and a second round draft pick in consecutive years can have, those picks are only 6 and 7 years ago now, so if they picked four 18 year olds, they would now be 25-26 maybe have played 60-100 games. Any team would benefit greatly from even 2 extra players with that age/games played profile. It can obviously be argued whether they would have picked well but denying any team access to top picks affects young talent and trades. 2 or 3 extra wins turns almost any team finishing 7-10 into a top 4 team.
Having said all that, I have zero sympathy for Essendon.
GOOOOOO HAWKS
Harmony helps. Friction fractures.
The board had a lot to answer for back in Sheedys last year. Jackson and Co announced Sheedys forced resignation mid season, they lost 9 of the last 11 games due to that and what looked like a promising year went shit. They then elected to go with Knights over Dimma as Knights reasoned they had a great list when in reality it was rubbish as told by Hardwick, club didn’t listen and gave the job to Knights. They then turned a blind eye during the supplement saga until it got out of hand. Poor form really.
Are you related to Tim or Jobe?
@@planetx1595 Nah mate.
Nothing much to talk about these days in footy world... Let's pick at old scabs.
ESSENDON has not been feared by clubs for years
Up the DONS!!
Essendon need a clear out whoever doesn’t want to be there leave go and disrupt another club we don’t need you
The compromised drafts in 2010-2012 have not helped Essendon's cause one iota
If Lloyd knows whats going on at the club why can't he coach them instead of sucking up to the media.
Thomas Healey he basically just said some people aren’t up to the standard to be an afl coach. Maybe he knows himself that he isn’t up to it. He could possibly be a member of the board and try to help the club that way. But it’s completely up to him and Essendon. (Not a bombers fan)
Silk9 I actually think he’d make a great coach just not at essendon. You should never appoint club legends to senior coach
Charlie true but I would hate facing your club in a match feeling like a traitor
Bomber Thomson was undone before he got to the bombers, he was undone at Geelong, not that I’m blaming the Geelong footy club but they made the right call to ditch Thompson when they did
I also think lloydy himself would make a great coach at AFL level, but I don’t think he should be at essendon.
Lloydo for coach....
The culture of a club is important. The Eagles managed to bounce back from the druggie culture and loss of talent by it. I guess it shows that it's hard to bounce back from loss of draft picks, no matter the club.
just look at Carlton - still paying for the salary cap breach
And then Ben rutted came and saved us
Orazio and Daniher want to go then let them go. Heppell is a blue collar player at best. This will ruffle a few feathers.. Zaharakis is the turnover king, a lot of his disposals go to the opposition. Walla/Tippa= on/off/off/on/off/off/on. No real stand out stars in that team. Need a commanding tall figure at full forward (please not Daniher). Fast track Irving Mosquito to the seniors. Let the settled squad know that put in or get out. I'm freaking sick of seeing the Bombers being portrayed like this. We stuck by you long enough through all that supplements crap, now I want to see results.
Steve I'd be happy if they put out 22 blokes every week who busted their ass...seniority, position. reputation out the window...if you want it bad, you're in...if you're cruising, GTFO of our jumper...I don't care if we lose, just play the boys who have a white hot crack...if you do this for long enough, we'll start winning....
@@desiolle2874 Too right mate.I sometimes watch the old games from the 80's and 90's and wonder when will we have players like them. Aggressive, hard at the ball and football skills to boot. None of this rubbish of who ran the 5 km time trial the fastest. I'm sick of hearing commentators mentioning someone's running ability when their basic football skills is very average.
@@stavio12 that 2000 team had it in spades...a super team which balanced hardness with class...more leaders than passengers...I've been watching since 76 and they're the best we've ever put out there I reckon...
Today they should be locked down studying what a team looks like...they worked to make the others around them better....
If you want to talk stats, jam the KPI's up your freckle and tell me how many smothers or shepherds a players has...they're the stats which matter most...they're the stats which tell you you're team gives a shit...
They’ve graduated from Uni, married and expecting their first kid….
Essendon has had extremely poor executive leadership and football department leadership. Frank Costa said that an important part of leadership is about surrounding yourself with the best people. Xavier Campbell has shown that he is not comfortable or capable with having the best people surrounding him. He’s very insecure in his leadership style and when interviewed he uses confused corporate language that evades the core problems at his club. Evidence of this is clearly seen in the appointments he’s made and the long line of footy directors, coaches, team managers that have gone through the revolving door policy at Essendon.
Could not happen to a better club, mordcto come hopefully.
Should of appointed Damian Hardwick back in 2010
Apparently he fucked up his computer presentation and fucked up again by telling the suits that the list was average...Knighta said it was a fantastic list and could handle his software...there's too many suits at Essendon and too much faith in Dodoro...even with Jesus in the box, a dud is still a dud on the ground...
Stubbs Adventures thank god you didn’t
Kinda fitting in the last finals win that Jimmy had the ball at the end of the game. Huge shift in the culture which has lead to players leaving, no consistent leadership from the top and some poor recruitment. Just no real "superstar talent" like Hird, Fletcher or Lloyd. Had some good players since, but no legends.
S Irwin Yep, agree with that and I put a lot of it down to inept drafting over the Dodoro era. Not a single player drafted during his 15 years could be considered to have had an elite career. The only two that come close were Father and Son selections in J Watson and J Daniher. Our best players today are trades from other clubs in Shiel, Smith, Stinger and Saad. Other than Zac Merrett, we really can’t claim a draft coup (although McGrath, Francis and Parish should have solid careers but so they should being Top 5 selections). Everything else over the last 15 years has been , well, meh!
@@windyhillbomber Yeah Watson was a gun. Closest there has been. You just knew what you were getting from Hird, Fletcher & Lloyd and they could change the game in our favour very quickly. All the players we have had since have been relatively inconsistent. They go missing and then bop up for a moment here and there. But with those legends you were getting it almost every game as opposed to once a month. And they were surrounded by many good drafted players. I think we have gone down the track of Carlton in the mid-00s. Trading for too many old, recycled players. They have done the right thing now and have drafted well getting Cripps and co. and we should do the same.
This makes me sad... how bad our club has become
why does she have anything to do with Football? Broken record and the most negative person in football.
It went wrong when they cheated.
What a load of rubbish. Lyon hasn’t coached a team to a Premiership and was hopeless at Freo. McGuire can’t see past Collingwood. Caro talks a load of rubbish and lies. Expected more from Lloydy. His last 2 years weren’t great under Knights. He hasn’t been at the club through the tough few years we’ve been through and he’s not part of what’s happening at the club now. Unless you’re there you don’t know what the feeling is like, Essendon hadn’t won a Premiership for 19 years until Sheeds came and you can’t replace him as the brilliant coach he was. Lloydy should spend some time at the club before making these comments
The only thing I can say in his defence is, for a period of time, he was actually mentoring and giving Joe Daniher goal kicking coaching when he was first having the yips. So he would have caught an insight into how the club was run during that time, but definitely not enough from an administrative point of view. All his comments there would be speculative.
I can’t take fckheads on the internet seriously when they post crap like this. “Ross Lyon was hopeless at Freo” what a Fcking stupid comment. You’re completely wrong. He coached them to top of the ladder, top 4 and to a grand final all in different years. You’re comment has been proven incorrect. No one takes your opinion seriously. You’ve got no idea. Moron
@@justinwakeling8669 thank you , I wasn't a fan of his game plan, but results speak .
He was a tactical wizard and brang two average teams yo grand finals
It's disappointing that Lloyd is aloud to have a career in the media after lineing up Swell & breaking his head on purpose!
A jail sentence seems more appropriate!
A lot of clubs wouldn't have got through like Essendon did, what a lot of rubbish. The AFL ensured they were not penalised too harshly as to jeopardise there long term future. They got off lightly considering how greatly they cheated. How Dr. Bruce Reid wasn't deregistered for his part is still a mystery. A few Bombers fans I know think that Hird should come back as coach, talk about delusional!
True words spoken by Knights re lloyd - look at what Roughead did at the Hawks. at the end of his career. selfless
Those comments from Knights were indicative of his narrow-minded attitude during his tenure as coach. You can't throw your star full forward onto the wing and tell him to be a team player. Lloyd had many attributes as a player but elite aerobic capacity wasn't one of them. Knights tried to make a point and it cost the club a year or two of its greatest goal-kicker.
Lloyd is all about is oversized ego, its easy to snipe from the cheap seat in the media, allot harder to get your hands dirty and actually make a contribution to the club in form of coaching etc.
BMR Coaching Academy ...he spent several years in a non paid coaching role, specifically working with the forward line players skills. Hope that helps.
@@windyhillbomber still all about his oversized ego
Lloyd is entitled to his opinion, he kicked 926 goals and sits in the overall top 10 in 150 years of the game. I think that entitles him to an opinion not regarded as “sniping”. He’s passionate about Essendon but his opinions on them and all other clubs is generally quite measured and fair. What a stupid, baseless comment.
@@jakeseymour2484 its easy to have an opinion when you have never been paid to be a Head Coach or run a football club, its easy to have opinions in the cheap seats
BMR Coaching Academy Again, 270 games and 926 goals means if anyone is entitled to an opinion it’s Matthew Lloyd.
As a Hawk supporter all I can say is...we told you they were scum