Stonehenge defiled by Just Stop Oil | James O'Brien - The Whole Show
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- This is a catch-up version of James O'Brien's live, daily show on LBC Radio from the 20th of June 2024.
00:00 - Stonehenge covered in powder paint by Just Stop Oil
49:11- Europe''s plummeting birth rate timebomb
01:36:25 - Mystery Hour
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It's easy to understand, there's 8.5 billion of us but only one stonehenge
But Stonehenge isn’t going anywhere
It’ll still be here after our species ceases to exist
I think thats the point of the protest. That we are more worried about history then our future...@powderedtoastfacekillah734
But what do these idiotic protests achieve apart from actually turning people against the issue by turning against those campaigning for it. I swear just stop oil are actually ran by oil conglomerates 😂
@@An-Alien-On-EarthShoe... meet horn!
@@An-Alien-On-Earth Richard meet Cranium.
Defaced sounds about right to me - Stonehenge still stands, and I highly doubt some paint is the worst thing that's ever been done there - got people talking about it, didn't it?? What kind of protests against raw sewage in the water everywhere.? Raw sewage is a defilement if you ask me..
Give it up. Their actions went down like cup of cold sick with EVERYONE
It wasn't a great way to get ppl to support your cause at the same time it is a bunch of rocks, the earth is made of the same rock it's all roughly 4billion years old, you could go to a random field somewhere dig down a metre and find rocks that have been in that location for a similar length of time. It's not worth clutching pearls over. I can't see corn starch really doing much that decades of acid rain won't do. The stones have survived two world wars and the industrial revolution.
If you want policy change, you need to win over enough people to enact it. All this does is alienate voters who are otherwise on the fence about environmental issues. Your lofty ideals count for nothing if nobody votes for them because you can't get the messaging right.
@@jeffsimon9594not everyone, I can see that it’s just a publicity stunt. They used non harmful cornflour, which will wash off after a couple days of rain.
How about this. You go to the stones on 31.08.24 and if you can see orange clearly still on the stones I’ll donate £100 to a charity of your choice. Deal?
"got people talking about it"
This is such a delusional and frankly narcissistic thing to say.
Was the goal of JSO to get people talking about how much they dislike JSO as an activist movement?
Cuz if it wasn't, then whatever else their goal was was in no way accomplished.
We should want people talking about how to best make climate change action happen.
Stonehenge - Battle of the Beanfield 1985:
Never forget the scale of vicious ferocity unleashed by the establishment.
Police tactics during the battle, excessive violence, covering of ID numbers, subsequent lies when reporting events, “loss” of police radio and video recordings and lack of action taken against the police involved.
If you're a business owner or run a small company group or looking for executives. I'd advise you. Don't hire any former Conservative mp. If you value your business future.
As much as people get upset with the actions of the climate change protesters they should be more furious with our politicians and oil lobbyists who have largely prevented the adoption of climate policies which would have in a large part prevented the current crisis. If the climate keeps getting worse and it is noticably worse sine 2010 even then we won't have a Stonehenge to even go to!
You are ignorant if you believe that. If you want energy change then build nuclear reactors. It is the cleanest and best form of energy. If you dont want that you have to use natural gas. Renewables are not possible for the region and area you live in. We have to be practical and realistic. Also no one talks about petro products which require oil not just energy but plastics, electronics, and everything relies on it. Bio alternatives are not there yet, may take 100 years to reach same level.
How many times is James going to say "they got the front page of the daily mail, everyone is talking about it, yet they failed" before he realizes how contradictory the statement is? The goal of Just Stop Oil is to draw international attention. They were successful.
They draw attention to themselves and away from climate change, I haven't been able to have a discussion online about climate change in ages where it didn't get derailed into one about Just Stop Oil.
Yes, but is it positive attention? That's the difference. They're becoming loathesome, even to environmentalists. That's not going to help their cause.
They fail I'm not British but I love that place it tells a story about humanity and the history of us as a species. It's offensive to anyone who values history and to do on the week of the summer solstice even more disrespectful 😒 it's a mistake. Don't care what they are fight for anymore that not the way to do it
Carnival of Grifters should be Conservatives New Motto.
Take a drink each time a red says 'grifter'
@@jeffsimon9594 Indulge me here as someone who is appealing to a sense of reality. Watch the first 15-20 minutes of BritMonkey's vid called 'Britain Is A Dump' and try to support the Tories then.
If you still support them after that I can only imagine your stubborn arrogance outweighs your sense of reason and logic.
If you don't even want to watch it, you're already admitting defeat without even putting up a fight.
@@jeffsimon9594Take a drink every time a Tory is a grifter
I take your point that 'grifter' is the word of the day but I think if the suit fits ..
Re Stonehenge ..I’m not sure I agree with this protest but I’m struck by how we are affronted by the potential damage to something so ancient we can’t replace it but isn’t that what is happening to species going extinct as we speak. Aren’t the protestors drawing an equivalence that a lot of the public are failing to join the dots to ?
99% of species that have ever existed are already extinct. It's a natural process that was happening millions of years before we even existed.
Spot on !! We are messing up the planet and people are outraged by some coloured powder paint on some stones. Stone henge is a massively important site but let's not forget the stones have been moved around with cranes etc in the last 60 years. I think they were Spot on.
It was some corn syrup
If we are all honest climate change is the crisis of our generation and those to come. While I have tried to minimise my impact on the environment, I’m not willing to impact my career by protesting. While people may not like their efforts, there are willing to do more than the rest of us. The problem is us just sitting back and allowing politicians and corporations to do what they like instead of standing up for what we need which is a planet that isn’t dead.
There’s a difference between protesting and pure attention seeking like the Stonehenge vandals.
@@yington it would be nice if people got more upset about the state of our planet, then some monument that is undamaged. We are all so used to sitting on our backside and being told to be quiet, take what we get, and there’s nothing we can do about it. And when you see people willing to challenge the system, you automatically conform to the system. They are not the problem, we are.
Wouldn't focusing on your career and become influential within your line of work be the better way to bring your message out there thou, especially if you want to reach the big-bois(well it's mostly men now ain't it?)?
I'm gonna try keep a long story very short, my sister took over a truck company and managed to change it from the ground up. It already was a fairly successful business but she also managed to change the direction and focus on more sustainable alternatives. If she were out protesting she wouldn't have time to do those changes... and the previous boss probably wouldn't invest in more sustainable alternatives. I'm not saying protesting is moot or worthless, but these kind of groups are out protesting ordinary people who can do extremely minor impacts... wasting money, efforts, tax-revenue etc. which could be placed elsewhere. Politics is a business and they could probably get more done becoming proper lobbyists. Putting some money in the right pockets go a very long way these days.
@@magnuscarlsson9969
No, it’s far easier to just do some attention seeking vandalism for clicks and likes.
I tell you why james because they have done it to a place that is not only ancient and part of British heritage but it's a grave site as well its also a site of significant religious value to many people of pagan faiths who traditional have supported climate activism but this is a complete affront and to do it before one of the major pagan holy days which is the solstice makes it even worse
The word is on pagan the rocket will always be there we may not
Modern paganism is made up though isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought that the ancient paganism that led to the monument being built is largely forgotten.
oh come on man , these people haven't got a clue who the Druids were or what religious customs the Druids followed, But Druids continued to pop up in medieval literature, suggesting that the pagan priests later became healers and magicians. Yet, since we have no written accounts from the pre-Christian Celts, it's virtually impossible to verify any historical claims about the Druids.. These people are just new age hippies who like to play dress up and then go to their Tesco checkout jobs later
I loved my visit to Stonehenge back in the late 70s. I touched each one and it was wonderful. Years later I was trekking with a nutty American in Vietnam who openly stated that she had chipped bits off Stonehenge and other buildings in London as souvenirs. I was brought up not to do that!
True but it was harmless powder. Its all been washed off. That's a long way from using a hamner chisl.
This has what to do with anything?
@@paulhunt1072
But they should have damaged it, to make their point, otherwise they achieved nothing, would you not agree?
Both my late wife and I were born in the 1940s, and we agreed, without much discussion, that we did not want children. I can't speak for her, but I seem to lack the gene for parenthood. At my age the friends who gush over children are now mostly grandparents and great-grandparents, but it just seems odd to me on a personal level. Odd in a way that their having some sort of obscure hobby or activity doesn't result in my feeling otherness about it but this desire for progeny does. On the marriage issue, we were both incredible romantics about it. When I proposed after our being in a relationship for three years, two of which we were living together, her response was "why?" I replied that taxes would be less and I could put her on my work health insurance policy, something which is quite important in the U.S. On that basis she agreed it made sense.
That orange paint is a nothingburger. It's corn starch. Washes off with the next rain.
Thank you. At least someone knows what’s going on.
Why anyone would think an environmental group would do anything to actually harm the environment is beyond me.
@@Notinservice420Maybe because they have done it several times before? The often use glue in their protests and have been filmed literally pouring it out.
Greenpeace used to hire boats to protest oil rigs, which used loads of fossil fuels to power the boats.
I'm not against climate activists btw, just pointing out that they have done things harmful to the planet before. Although that doesn't seem to be the case here right enough.
Global warming isn’t even an issue - if the climate gets hotter less elderly die in the winter
@@Notinservice420 I mean, its not that far fetched. They're clearly dumb and don't think of the consequences of their actions in a correct way.
Not much of a surprise if they used actual oil based paint and actually permanently damage it.
@@Khalkara As I’ve said in a another comment, these people didn’t just do this on a whim, it would have been thought out and planned for weeks if not months.
It’s clearly not oil based paint you can obviously see that. It’s a cloud not liquid.
We rreally are lost the rocks are here and will survive for ever we may not with the climate change. We keep telling ppl don't have children if you can not afford ..well we can not afford so we don't have them
Nobody knows who they were. Or what they were doing.
At Stone Enge!!
The caller who called the JSO action “brilliant” and a “spectacle” has a point. If humanity doesn’t take concerted action in the next handful of years, the narrow window for meaningful action on the climate and ecological crises will have closed. What is the point of preserving this iconic relic when there will be few if any of the coming generations, in a position to appreciate it?
Because it’s about saving humanity and human culture. And vandalising humanity’s monuments is an attack on human culture. And an insult to our ancestors ! That which they are supposed to be saving humanity
Just a bit of corn syrup dude.
Stonehenge is an ancient religious and cultural site that has been used and revered by Britons for thousands of years... Traffic is a minor nuisance only the rich have to deal with
Because Stonehenge is in no way associated with oil or the people who profit from it.
No. But it makes the headlines doesn’t it.
Also just a side note, they used non harmful cornflour, which will wash off in a few days naturally or minutes with a hose. How dare they right?
@@Notinservice420 "but it makes headlines" Saying this as a justification means you care more about you (or your group) getting attention than you care about the actual issue. Its disgustingly weak.
@@Khalkara What do you expect them to do to raise awareness?
Have a bake sale?
Write a letter to the companies politely asking them to stop?
Hour 2 is really the consequence of not talking hour 1 seriously.
Young people see that if they have children, by the time those children are in later life, climate change will have caused such competition for resources that there will be mass migration across the globe, mass starvation events, wars over those dwindling resources and even in the West, their children will have a much harder life.
For some, one of the callers in hour 2 definitely portrayed that as one of their main concerns. I don't personally put much of the reason I don't want kids down to environmental circumstance. It's much closer to a philisophical or financial issue for me, perhaps those are inextricably linked, but I don't think so.
People like this must make me angry. I never know what they are for, I just see them being vandals and deserving of jail time
It’s not lazy thinking if ambulances can’t get through. That is serious. Stonehenge is iconic and defacing it is sacrilege in my opinion.
But it wasn't defaced.
JAMES O'BRIEN SIR.
FREEMASONS AND THE LINK WITH POLITICS PLEASE ❤
When the cornstarch disappears after a night of rain, will it be a mystical event?
Breaking news… the cornstarch already got washed off, ngl i dont see why this became such a big story given all that happened was that part of the henge was orange for afew hours
@@joshme3659 Yes... but were those who did the washing off dressed in robes for the solstice, and more importantly... was it a mystical washing?
What was the point of this vandalism on stonehenge?
@@yington the point was to make you come to this page and ask ridiculous questions
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In other words you don’t know.
But you’re supposed to defend it right…for some reason. Or at least complain about those who have a problem with the vandalism.
u need to make people aware not repulsed by your action, and spraying paint onto Stonehenge is the dumbest tactic ever.
Surprised Stelios wasn't there to claim them as the new "Easy Private Jet" once they were orange. ;-)
It's important to maintain heritage sites for the species that finds our remains.
Obviously falling birth rates is a global phenomenon. S Korea fertility rate is only 0.8! It’s a function of urbanisation, it’s a function of giving women autonomy over their own bodies, etc. But it’s particularly acute among our young who see a grim future for our planet in terms of climate change, creeping authoritarianism and growing economic inequality.
Just so I don't misunderstand, are you against all of these reasons or just listing the facts as they are to be understood?
Will climate change damage stone hedge more than something so thing that will wash away not sure myself any answers
People don’t care about things that are in their way , the area around HS 2 is an example
Or, how do such implausibilities still exist?
If I was a big oil company who wanted to stage some kind of black-flag operation to make the climate change movement look bad, I would think that defacing stonehenge would be a bit too on the nose.
The defacement has had its shock value, as intended. JSO belief system includes the notion that mankind is on a collision course with annihilation, which is exactly what Stonehenge encapsulates.😮
If your knackered as a parent, it's because of your work. Not because of your kids. Don't get it confused.. priorities, baby.
Will stone henge matter when we’re all dead because of climate change ?
You either think it’s a problem or you don’t.
RE: how much impact does storing emails have on the environment? Sensible useful answer is a lot less than it was on paper forms of storage. It's one of the greatest successes of the digital world. Imagine finding a tree, cutting it down, turning it into paper etc.. I used to work for the government in a massive information retrieval centre in the 90s. staffed by hundreds of people with its own power systems to keep everyone warm and comfortable and to look after the quality of the paper humidity wise. Everybody's information that's now all held on a tiny hard drive that does nothing unless you access it. Almost Zero energy unless you access it. If you accessed a government file back then you have to pay someone to go into the information retrieval centre staffed by hundreds of people and they would physically go and look for it and pass it to somebody that'll get past to somebody else and so on until you could meet at some point in the High Street in a government office and talk about it. It's unbelievable how effective the digital world has been at reducing waste and wasted energy in this respect.. I don't know how you would even begin to measure it, but yes, it's clearly better. Think about it.. maybe you have to have worked in one of these places to realise. Just how ridiculous waste can be compared to the extraordinary technology we take for granted now.. Just imagine before the '90s if you wanted to learn something how you had to go to the library. How slow learning was back then. It's an exponential curve.
Stopping people who are going about their business just costs society time
Ruining priceless cultural heritage hurts to the root of our identity as a people.
When I die, I still want my descendants to enjoy the same rich heritage I did.
The orange powder is the equivalent of Pippin leading Treebeard in the LotR film adaptation to the destruction wrought by Saruman. It's an impetus to action, because the stones and other heritage sites could be at risk due to climate change. That, or no one will be around to appreciate them (in another 5,000 years or whatever). In so many words, there won't be a Shire, Pippin.
British ancient culture is truly fascinating and it shows the lack of respect people have for it's very deep hidden history quite sad if it was the pyramids in Egypt their would be national outrage 😢
Hello James Regards from Serbia ❤❤❤ I am not even a native English speaker...Regards, Natasha
And the next caller is Jonathan Pie who would like to ask James for his act back.
"Bruce? Whats the word Bruce? Oh Defiled Bruce, OH? " .
There is also something of Frankie Howerd's delivery about O'Brien these days...Can anybody get Ai to make Howerd do James's show so we can hear what he will sound like eventually?
Stonehenge is of religious significance.
Ok that has what Todo with anything.
@@eddjordan2399 Had you been listening, you would have heard James sat at the start that the act could not be described as sacrilegious because Stonehenge was not of religious significance, hence my comment. I trust that answers your question, only 7 words but steeped in attitude, congratuations.
James your mug is huge.
On the Birth Rate we need to help young couples start families. People want more children but can't afford them.
Helping this would actually alleviate some of the issues that people have with immigration.
This means scrapping child benefit cap.
Making houses more affordable, including building more. (I'm only just leaving home at 28)
Make childcare more affordable.
Passive resistance
Pure attention seeking
Nothing has happened: the monument will be intact after the next rain.
Laws against vandalism, and defacing property should not be based on the material used to deface them. The act is the violation, not the substance used. The substance could be used in mitigation, so maybe instead of a jail term, sentence them to 100 hours community service at an oil refinery.
In 1984 the Department of the Environment passed management of Stonehenge and the surrounding land to English Heritage.
It's up to English Heritage to press changes
*Charges not changes.
I do you have regrets about being a parent but that's when I'm at my worst. My most down, my darkest moments , at my high points days I look back at with real pride in myself. Happy days full of extraordinary joy that I had never known before in my life.. I realise what would I have swapped it for? What amazing thing would I have swapped it for ? when you buy things and do things even World travel it can start to feel a bit empty at some point. I have had incredible experiences in my life before I had kids and it took me awhile to adjust to being limited in that respect for a while.. The deeper you get into it, the more incredible and wonderful it gets. Unlike searching out a bigger house or a new thing to buy or the next holiday even . and I have done that. To a level most people would never know. My only regret is how since I had my kids , weeks before brexit that people like farage are willing to throw them in the line of fire and for what ? that's my only downside to it. Thise dark minds on the edge of retirement, not looking forward anymore. Are they? They're looking backwards. They are more than happy to put these beautiful kids that I've spent all this time rearing in the line of fire for their sick ideology. They are the people that bring poison to this world and pain and fear, they thrive on it.
Ask how they got there? Utter hypocrites. 😊
The tree was a living thing been there for decades, Stonehenge has been there for thousands of year and been seen and touched by our ancestors, that's why it hurts us so much it all belongs to us.
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I got a motoring question onto LBC's 'Mystery Hour' : AMA
What strikes me of the difference with other protests. The “victim” is unrelated and a bystander to their cause. Blocking the road protesting the use of roads is targeting “combatants” in the cause of protecting the environment.
Stonehenge isn’t a valid target. They arnt drawing attention to the problem they want addressed. If they vandalize the oil industry or the users of oil or those who are profiting from the exploitation of the planet they are attacking their adversary rather than a third unrelated party.
Stonehenge defiled by LBC-types.
Some brilliant questions today 😀
James doing his part 😂 this guy has made it his sole mission in life to try to get the torys out of power....only to be replaced by a party he hates even more.
Second Hour topic: Child-Free is just as emotive a term as Child-Less.
Like gluten-free, salt-free etc there is an implication of negativity about what you wish to be free of.
The sad thing about choosing not to have children is that those making that choice are likely to be in a position to provide a better framework for the future generation.
Obviously censoring the callers who want to talk sense
Although I love dogs and am a dog trainer, as a sidenote to the jovial chat about beagleing, any hunting with dogs is now illegal.
What about the attack on Gaza... Stones and people?
What’s that got to do with this?
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Defacing
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Just a bit of food colouring it survived the Victorians literally rebuild ING it I'm sure it will be fine for another millennium.
Desecration is the term you should use.
Can anyone tell me what's the point in voting in this two parties system
Having a say in who your local MP will be.
They are your representative within parliament.
@@dameonwalker8994Unfortunately local mp's don't have any say in the elite house of commons
@@twisteddancer7773 Actually they do, that's how parliament works.
Whether or not they are listened to is another matter altogether but the one sure thing is that if you choose not to vote you choose to have no say at all.
@@dameonwalker8994 Where are all the benefits of the local mp's having any say and making any difference
Lesser of two evils.
47:21 totally agree with this caller.
Stop the Boasts!, Stop the Bets!, etc...
FREEMASONRY AND POLITICS PLEASE ❤
Spivviness! Is that like skeaviness or sleaziness??
Thought Clark Griswald destroyed Stonehenge years ago.
1:20:11 are the tories corrupt as well? Is he just realising this now?
Leave Stonehenge alone right now! I mean it! Anyone that has a problem with the henge, you deal with me!
Will you ring a bell in their ears?
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence That seems like it would be a bit harsh.
People stuck in traffic listen to the radio. Hint, hint.
Nice to see James attack the left for once.
Think the tittle is yesterday's admin
24:50 very unlikely any other henge was as important , just based on the fact everyone around the uk traveled specifically to that one 1000s of years ago , extremely improbable to go to multiple destinations due to travel
If only you guys would sleep in a bit and do the show on Chicago time…
You just concentrate on dealing with your crime wave
@@jeffsimon9594My desire to hear/watch the show live IS actually the right time to bring up something tragic that you do not care about and have no knowledge of. I’ll think about my selfish wants. Sorry to disappoint
@@MikeyFamine But you're watching it on TH-cam Catch-Up !!!!
Stonehenge is red meat for Thatcher lovers. Not worth getting into that.
Why do you have to keep telling the Time? Every 5 minutes, what is the reason , everyone with.a cell phone has a clock on it, if I want to know the time I'll look at the phone or phone watch, please explain 😮
Not appropriate to talk people around to having children.
That said, there are many reasons people take that decision. For me, I just don't want children. Also, the idea of being pregnant horrifies me.
But many are making an economic decision. For those people, we can fix the systemic issues holding them back and you won't need to talk them around.
Finally, you said 23 yr olds can't know for sure, but I'm going to call you out on that. There's a lot of misogyny wrapped up in this, especially as it intersects with health care.
Someone should start "just stop just stop oil!"
Like comments James O'Brian
5:11 well more of an ostrogothing i think but im bias in such matters
Stonehenge is for religious purposes
What is the Unhinged Headline?
1:15:35 I also came back from the next days show to try find it, I thought he was serious and had really put his foot in it lol
They Vandalized Stonehenge
No they didn't. How is a bit of orange cornflower that could be blown off with a hair dryer "vandalism" ! And what about the vandalism of climate change.
So what?
@@johnflett1626
So people can just vandalise anything and the response should just be “so what?”.
Tim doesn't seem to understand that paganism is just a term for all polytheistic faiths, including the faith of the people who created Stonehenge. Maybe he's thinking that it isn't a Druidic site? Thats a view that has more weight to it.
Classic LBC - not a thing said about how Labour are full of it with everything they have said. Nah, just focus on the Tories. I want them gone, but this bias is pathetic and should be regulated.
Please update your photo James
@jeff He must be well into his fifties. Who's he trying to kid?
@@chatham43 Exactly
I was right by saying none🎉
has anyone looked at the Stats of new life been brought into world, planned or a happy accident
People can think for themselves. They are either for against oil production. They do not needs stunts for that.
The problem is that "Just stop oil" is a terrible idea that won't work without a lot of harm, What the environmental crisis needs is workable solutions not idiots with cornflower! They have now drawn a massive amount of attention to a nothing idea with no hope of working! Well done!
They should Just Stop.
You like to believe that JSO is made up of idiots so you can ignore thier message. Only an idiot would think that JSO is arguing for an abrupt stop to oil. Clearly they recognize that a doable phaseout is needed but that it has to be much more rapid. The point is that our society isn't doing it fast enough. Many climate change effects are irreversible on human timescales.
James' usual moronic take on an issue. Comparing stopping traffic to spraying stonehenge in paint. As if it has to be one or the other. They could also just target actual particpants in climate damage. I doubt there would be much objection to them trying to block an oil tanker for example or blocking the gates to a refinery. At least it would have some connection to their cause. Unlike stonehenge
Interesting that he got two calls from 0.2% of the uk population in the start. James obrian the pagan favourite
Any call is from 0.000000016% of the population.
Defaced
It's got people talking. Mission accomplished. Does there need to be any other reason? Suppose you could argue that it is because other sites like this are at risk of being lost to climate change. It's kind of a moot point though. Part of the motivation will be to make you ask "why" - Because the more people asking "why," the more people are talking about it.
desecrated ?
The fact JSO's paint was just corn starch does not matter. The act was meant to anger people. That in itself is egregious enough.
Remember that those who built Stonehenge burned peat (a non-renewable fossil fuel) for energy. Therefore, it is fair that they should be punished for this contribution to atmospheric CO2.
😂
Isnt peat basically decayed plants and soil making somewhat renewable?
@@Notinservice420 So is coal. Peat is actually a precursor to coal.
They had no alternatives and no scientific understanding.
WE DO.