Ewhurst Green - 1930's Southern Railway
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Southern Railway stock from the late 1930s came to visit Ewhurst Green.
The import of Bananas moved from Hull to Southampton in 1933, with the Southern Railway building steam-hearted Banana vans from 1935. Even then vans were hired in from the LNER. In 1937 the Banana traffic moved to the Royal Albert Docks.
The ex.LSWR 4 Lav cross-country sets were reduced to 3 Lav in the late thirties. The date for shortening set 134 is unclear and was probably undertaken in July 1937 and certainly by July 1941 (with its TL going to 'Loose').
Maunsell High-Window set 447 probably lost its lining with a July 1937 repaint and is seen here augmented with a Restaurant coach and Third Open.
Built by the Southern Railway, the 2 BIL unis entered service in February 1937 followed by the 2 HAL units in May 1939. The last was withdrawn in July 1971.
The Banana vans were supplied by www.themodelce... with weathered BR(S) versions expected soon.
Thanks go to Signalman Luke for providing his Southern Railway rolling stock to run along with his patient assistance during filming.
A stunning layout - one of the most realistic on TH-cam...
Thank you for your kind praise which is much appreciated! 🙂
The videos only started as a mechanism to share my layout's progress amongst a few friends - interest has grown! 😄
Beautifully modelled! A marvelous look into the past.
Thank you for your kind comments which are very much appreciated! 👍
Great layout. I particularly like the coal yard. 🚂
Thank you! 👍
The Southern used horizontal timbering for its staithes - the model uses wood and real coal (graded). 🙂
A customer remonstrates with the railway's coal-yard manager whilst the local independent coal merchant looks on from his wooden shed; the signal steps out of the box door to see what the fuss is all about. 😉
These were the days when labour was cheap and a couple of labourers spent best part of a day simply digging the coal out of the wagons and into the staithes...... 🧐
@@ewhurstgreen So good I watched it twice! 👓
@@victorprior7610 Thank you for your kind support! 👍
There are a couple of Southern Railway videos already and more are certainly planned when my railway colleague has time to bring some more of his stock along.... ⚡
Very nice indeed . Very evocative of the Southern . Just subscribed. I like the angled level crossing and the houses again at angle to railway . So often people plonk buildings down parallel to or at 90 degrees to railway which is not typical
Welcome to Ewhurst Green and thank you for your kind comments! 🙂
The angling of the level crossing achieves several things:
1. Realism and greater interest.
2. Signal Box steps ideally should be at the other end - difficult to alter a resin model. However, by angling the road's approach the signalman would still have a view of road traffic approaching the level crossing gates.
3. The road continues onto the removable scenic corner board enabling a realistic incline up and away from the level crossing.
4. The incline is there to get away from scenery being all at rail level - apart from level crossings it rarely is!
More detail is provided on www.EwhurstGreen.com - please enjoy! 🌞
Another excellent video thanks!
Really do like the shot of the two emus passing! 💥
Thank you! 👍
The 2 HAL and 2 BIL passing shot was not set up - just pure good luck of timing. ⚡
lovely layout, a very nice inspiration, nice rolling stock, love it…😍
Thank you for your kind comments. 👍
It is always such a pleasure to have 1930's stock come to visit this Southern Region layout! 🙂
As a "Little Lad" I remember seeing The Brighton Belle. Those electric passenger trains reminded me of those beautiful Pullman coaches and the engine also in the brown of Pullman.
Wonderful! 👍
Didn't get that many opportunities to ride in the Brighton Belle myself - more often saw it at East Croydon and Victoria. 🙂
A mixed-livery pair of 5 BEL units has visited Ewhurst Green and the unit history is covered on my website: www.bloodandcustard.com/SR-5BEL.html 🧐
What an amazing layout. I find the 1930s Southern Electric system very interesting. I also love Southern steam as well. Well done sir, truly an amazing layout. 👍🚂
Thank you for your kind words of support which are much appreciated. ⚡
Yet another fantastic upload, albeit, it would be appreciated if the trains ran a little slower, the more so when you highlight the type of stock.
Thank you for your kind praise which is much appreciated! 🙂
Will certainly give your request on captions some further thought. 🤔
Having had past comments about trains running to slow, I try to provide a range of train speeds in the video clips. Different camera positions can also make the same train look faster or slower too. 😮
Captions is a tricky one as I do not want to obscure any given train and on that basis not all clips lend themselves to having a caption. However, will be increasing the duration of the captions. 🌞
@@ewhurstgreen
Que vous-êtes gentil monsieur!
I'm afraid that I might have been a little less patient and suggested that there's a blummin pause button. Not to mention the several speed levels to be found in the settings menu.
A lovely little layout and great to see on my first visit. Thank you for showing it to us.
Thank you for your support! 👍
Apologies for the delay in responding - several comments got held back be TH-cam (not sure why) and I hadn't spotted this. 😮
Please, don't let it put off your enjoying Ewhurst Green! 🙂
Loved the video - especially the EMU(s?). A word of advice if I may, leave the captions onscreen a second or two longer.
Thank you! 👍
Your feedback on the captions is most useful and acknowledged. 🙂
These captions should last 3 seconds and I will lengthen them on future videos - the 3 seconds being a combination of calculate guess (the green headers are 3 seconds) and making sure they did not detract from the video.
Apologies to all as I had intended to set this video up for 6th April without realising it would be visible before. 😳
Rather than keep viewers waiting it is now available to view - please enjoy. 😊
For those interested in the Technical Videos on Surging, another is planned - I need to examine Ewhurst Green's fleet first to see how various units compare. 🙂
Looked trouble free this time,
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Yes, have had surging with 2 BIL /2 HAL formation but not as bas as the Bachmann units.
I need to start with a comparison of the thirty or so Bachmann MUs on the layout before the next Technical Video can be produced.
Will probably give all a wheel clean too just to ensure consistency - it'll take much time - groan!
Its early release caught me by surprise but understand the reasons why! :-)
Lovely selection of stock there. I keep trying to get hold of a return from Dunkirk set at a reasonable price. Its the only time they have made those unlined Maunsells except the kitchen. You had me with the 4LAV, I was expecting an EMU! Oops. Of course coaches would have had that designation first 🥴 Wonderful layout, my only complaint is that it was over too soon 🙂
Thank you for your kind words which are appreciated. 👍
Can confirm Signalman Luke (whose stock was being used) struggled to obtain the Dunkirk set.
Apologies that it was too short - an afternoon of filming leads to 4 minutes of video (including tea breaks) and I don't wish to risk sending my audience to sleep with it being overlong.
The Low Window Maunsell coach sets are covered on my www.BloodandCustard.com website with High Window to follow. 🙂
Would dearly love a 4 LAV Brighton line electric unit. In preparing coach set pages on B&C have tended towards using 4 Lav for locomotive hauled sets so as to give a little differentiation with the electric stock. 🧐
4 LAV is correct for the electric units (notwithstanding operating publications did occasionally vary) whereas the use of 4 Lav or 4 LAV (etc) varied more across the Lancing Works and CM&EE record cards. ⚡
Great layout and great video.
Well done.
Happy Modelling
Thank you for your kind words of support! 👍
The next video should be about scenery and installing a Cathedral sub-station. ⚡
It all seems to be running smoothly in this video! Thanks for uploading.
Everything ran smoothly including the coupled 2 HAL /2 BIL. 🙂
Will be examining the Bachmann emus for Technical Video 3 in due course!
@@ewhurstgreen The only theory I can come up with is that the trains are DCC fitted when you think they are DC. When a DCC fitted loco runs on DC, then a minimum power level must be achieved for the motor to run. If not enough power is available then the motor will stall momentarily causing the surging effect you have observed.
@@AllensTrains Interesting thought although the surging occurs with both chipped /non-chipped multiple units operating on DC.
@@ewhurstgreen I would try coupling the trains with a rubber band and see what happens!
@@AllensTrains Run some units coupled together and cyclical surging occurs.
Reform a unit with two powered motorbogies (from the surging pair) and cyclical surging still occurs.
Running these units a few inches apart and cyclical surging does not occur.
However one unit is faster than the other and current thoughts are towards this being a significant causal factor. ⚡
Next step is to compare the thirty or so Bachmann multiple units in service to see which run at a different speed and does surging occur when further units of dissimilar speed are coupled - a time consuming undertaking!
Absolutely beautiful.
Thank you for your kind words of support - it is much appreciated! ⚡
Absolutely wonderful 🎉 they look so real. First time I've spotted the double, double slip by the signalbox, looks very interesting
Thank you Mike! 👍
There are several double slips and even more single slips of the layout - each set of switchblades have their own motor (i.e. four motors per double slip). 🌞
Whilst the scenic side's turnout motors (Tortoise) are in place and locally wired, each will be operated through a Type 600 relay and I need to prepare the relay racks for the scenic side of the layout (around 60 number relays in all)..... 🙂
By comparison the storage loops use 110 number relays.... 🙀
@@ewhurstgreen my word, so many relays amazing
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited The layout uses conditional locking and in the storage loops both route setting and automation is employed. 👍
Furthermore (and as an example) there is just one row of six isolating switches for the five Down storage roads - these isolate the sections on the storage road selected - much easier than 5 rows of 6 switches. 😄
Some of the storage loop isolating sections suffered voltage drop, so each section is now operated through its own relay. 🙄
Yes, there are a lot of relays. However, operation is simple and reliable. 🙂
The Tortoise turnout motors work best from using two 12v transformers with a centre tap. The Type 600 relays work best on 24v so utilise the -12v /+12v from the pairs of transformers. 🌞
Previous layout (Apothecary Street - remember the junction?) used Type 3000 relays off a 50v supply! ⚡
Terrific. Thank you! Your layout stirs my Farnborough, Hants memories.
Much appreciated - thank you! 👍
Recall attending Sturt Lane sub-station decades ago - provides power for the LSWR main line but is located alongside on the SECR tine to Farnborough North. 😉
@@ewhurstgreen Thanks. I lived at 90 Ship Lane (1941-66) not far from Farnborough North. My visual and audio world was Bulleids, Nelsons and Arthurs (on the old LSWR) and Maunsells, T9s, M7s etc (on the old SECR). Across the fields rattled the 2BILS between Frimley and Frimley Jct).
@@alanclifford1337 Wonderful times!
Presumably there long enough to see the 'new' 3R Tadpole units entering service too?
@@ewhurstgreen Sorry. What were the Tadpole units? 2BILs and 4CORs are what I recall.
@@alanclifford1337 They were used Reading to Tonbridge - here is a link to my website and the history of them www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-3R-Tadpole.html
You will also find all the Southern Electric units on there and many of the SR coaching sets - still writing those up!
Super thanks , like the emu's very inspiring,
Thank you for your support! 👍
I used to live on Ewhurst green, which had no railway closer than Cranleigh, and that was cut by Beeching.
Thank you for your interest; decades ago I knew nearby Ewhurst Green well.
The explanation behind the model is covered within www.ewhurstgreen.com/ and has its basis within unfulfilled c.1884 plans to build a railway from Dorking past Cranleigh and down to Midhurst.
Had these plans been fulfilled then with a direct route to London the area could have been much different than it is today.
Much more restfull liveries than today's garish kaleidoscope, very nice modelling, BTW, what is the trap protecting?
Thank you - some of the modern liveries are quite creative - others less so....
Have covered the early BR liveries here: www.BloodandCustard.org
I'm presuming you are referring to the trap in the foreground of the introduction clip?
The 'N' class is on the Down Main; the 'T9' on the Up Main. Next is the short 'reversible' off the branch into Platform 1 and finally the 8-car Electric Siding with the trap-point protecting the 'reversible' and Platform 1.
Alongside the 8-Car Electric Siding is an 8-coach carriage siding accessed off the non-passenger Loop alongside Platform 1.
Besides the subsidiary signals, a concrete carriage-cleaning walkway needs to be installed between these two sidings and (as typical in those days) boarded conductor rail in the 8-Car Electric Siding alongside the walkway - these days the conductor rails have been moved away from carriage-cleaning walkways. 🙂
@@ewhurstgreen It was the last one in front of the EMU at 3:45, your attention to detail really changes this from a model railway to a model OF a railway.
I had in mind the Barbie HSTs but yes, the defunct GNER was simple and the Swallow livery was smart. I'm not old enough to remember olive green Southern but do recall steam to Exeter et al and the final day, my daily ride was EPBs and SUBs (malachite being infinitely better than plain BR blue) and the occassionalolder unit,an BIL perhaps? On the Strawberry Hill loop, it all went down hill with the PEPs!
Thank you for your kind praise! 😊
That is the same trap point as the 2 BIL is sitting in the electric siding which continues into Platform 1 (platform awaiting construction).🙂
On the 2 BIL's left is the Branch 'reversible' with a 2 BIL + 2 HAL approaching on the Up Main (their route is set straight on into Platform 2 rather than Platform 1).😉
Both real and dummy (i.e. model) trap point motors are installed; the subsidiary signal protecting the trap point is yet to be installed (as is the concrete carriage-cleaning walkway on its right).⚡
Other features are the railway worker's bee hives & rabbits running around on the mown grass in front, ROF-type PIll Box, location cases and concrete trunking..... 🌞
GNER blue looked good but in summer it meant the aircon worked hard! 😮
Used to enjoy travelling in the Marys and SR EPBs - more so than the BR EPBs! All these (and the PEP) are covered on www.BloodandCustard.com although right now I'm trying to complete the Maunsell High Window stock page!😎
I do like the Southern banana vans, I may have succumbed to a dozen 😊
Does your wallet scream as much as mine? 😂
Those in the video are visiting (belong to a railway colleague) and look superb - suggested he intersperses them with a few LNER vans (they were hired by the Southern). 🙂
Can remember the Banana vans at Lingfield in the sixties (arrived from Avonmouth I think). 😉
@@ewhurstgreen I have a dozen of the Oxf Rail northern banana vans as well! At some point I should whittle down to models I actually run. Sadly I collect LMS, LNER, SR, a bit of GWR, BR, Scottish, and some Era 2, and modern era diesels. I've never managed to confine myself to just one region.....😃
@@vcs00railway I am advised the Oxford Rail banana vans are now quite sought after (I have just one).
That is a vast amount to cover model-wise. However, enjoying the hobby is all that really matters!
I'm lucky to be able to enjoy such a variation in respect of visiting models...
Very realistic except for the large gap between the passenger coaches
This problem always bugs me as well! I saw a video recently where someone made a reasonable go at fixing it in N-gauge. The real problem is the tight curve radius that models need to negotiate.
Thank you! 👍
All the Southern Railway stock was visiting - belongs to a good friend so will pass on your observations.😉
In terms of Ewhurst Green's BR(S) stock the air-gap' is an issue I am gradually addressing with close-couplings and gangway connectors.🙂
Some coaches use Modeller's Mecca connections but these can cause issues under compression (they were asked if they were willing to supply a large number of blanking plates but chose not to reply - these would use existing components so easy to fabricate) so have moved onto Keen Systems floating end plates.🧐
The Keen Systems floating end plates are really good but the coach has to be dismantled to fit them. If I'm going to dismantle a coach then might as well fit passengers - I have all these but need the time to paint them - about 1500 in total!😒
Ewhurst Green uses Preiser (unpainted) seated people (16328) as they are an excellent fit in the slightly overscale interiors.🌞
@@anotherfreediver3639 Thank you! 👍
All the Southern Railway stock was visiting - belongs to a good friend so will pass on your observations. In terms of Ewhurst Green's BR(S) stock the air-gap' is an issue I am gradually addressing with close-couplings and gangway connectors.🙂
Where possible Ewhurst Green uses large radius curves and turnouts on its scenic sections. It also uses a scale sixfoot (46mm instead of 50mm) which makes a huge visual difference although unsuitable for curves under 60 inches or thereabouts. 🌞
I have seen a number of N-gauge layouts with large radius curves and nearer-to-scale sixfoots - they look so different! 😎
One excellent example is my friend and fellow railwayman at: www.youtube.com/@MrGettingtooold with his seventies WCML.
A fine-looking layout, but I would suggest that it needs some careful 'weathering' - especially on those roadways! The trackwork looks very good, but, although it may be an illusion, I query whether the conductor rails are a little too far away from the adjacent running rail and sit a little too high.
Thank you for your observations on the layout (which is still under construction with subtle weathering present).
The conductor rails are correctly positioned from the track centreline which in OO means there is a slightly wider spacing from the 'narrow' 16.5mm gauge running rails. This spacing ensures the conductor rail does not foul axleboxes (etc) whilst remaining appropriately positioned for shoegear.
what class of engine is 120 at the very start?
Thank you for your question! 👍
No.120 is an ex.LSWR T9 class nicknamed 'Greyhounds'. 🙂
This example was outshopped new in August 1899 and allocated to Nine Elms shed. No.120 received Southern olive green livery in June 1925 which it carried until May 1940 (it is now preserved).🌞
Is there no signalling on this layout? I can see what look like shunting discs but that seems to be about all.
Thank you for asking a reasonable question and yes, full signalling is on the 'to do' list. 👍
Ewhurst Green remains under construction so only a number of shunting signals have been installed.
The only visible running signals will be the starting signals. Currently the Up platforms are awaiting construction (there is also an Up Loop) while I'm hoping Ratio will produce an SR RH bracket for the three Down starters (if needed two of these could have mechanical route indicators).
With the exception of the RH brackets, all the other signals (with spares) are safely packed away ready for installation.
Like my previous layout, track sections will be controlled through the signalling (electric lever frame) via a conditional relay locking. The storage loops already use route setting utilising one-hundred and ten Type 600 GPO relays
The Home and Advanced Starting signals would be way outside of the scenic area.
I hope this answers your question. 🙂
A nice session, but captions much too quick to read, and perhaps pause frame, or stop the train described when mentioning details. Perhaps another eay would be to start with still photos with captions, so that running is uniterupted. Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
Thank you for the kind comments and you'll be pleased to learn the length of captions will be increased in future - it is a difficult balance not to obscure the moving trains. 👍
Some details are provided in the written commentary although I appreciate this relys on viewers having some knowledge as what is being run. 🤔
Will certainly be giving the presentation more thought! 🧐
@@ewhurstgreen Thank you 👍👍
@@robertbate5790 My pleasure.
Technical video 3 (why the EMUs are surging) is being prepared at the moment.
Is that a Southdown Queen Mary on the bridge?
Since you come to ask...... 😮
No. 😁
It is a Aldershot & District Dennis Lowline 111. 🙂
Southdown didn't reach Ewhurst Green although it there had been such a junction station, then services may have been extended north from Horsham. 🤔
Could be an excuse for a Southdown PD3 else a Guy Arab 1V. 🌞
I am also minded towards a London & Country STL appearing on a route from Dorking..... 😉
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Intention was for the video to appear on Saturday - had not realised this would make it visible beforehand - will be letting it go live shortly.
Got here just too late
Don't worry. 🥺
The Southern Electric has a frequent and regular service! 😇
Not a modeller myself but nice layout
Thank you for your kind praise which is much appreciated! 🙂
It can be a rewarding hobby - Ewhurst Green strives to create a degree of operational realism from the fifties /early sixties although in this instance it was nice to have a friend bring late-thirties stock to run. 🌞
@@ewhurstgreen You're welcome, perhaps consider adding arc flash for third rail stock for a little extra realism
@martyn6792 Realistic arcing is something on the 'to do list' by placing an arc-flash behind one of the conductor rail's off-ramps. ⚡
This reply shews 'updated' as I've just gone on-line and ordered a couple of units - thank you for the nudge! 😂
@@ewhurstgreen be interested to see once installed, it will be getting the balance right
@@martyn6792 Yes, might start with a manual switch as trying to fit automation to a fleet of units will be time consuming. 🧐
A simple switch could be achieved quite quickly - a couple of units envisaged - although operational timing would be everything.
Tried to get the conductor rail positioning correct, including two side-ramps - these went out of favour on the mainline years ago (a few still exist). However, many are still used on the London Underground. ⚡
Where do you get your vehicles? Help?
Glad to assist and I'm presuming you are referring to rubber-tyred vehicles (compared to steel wheel on steel rail). 👍
Many of the cars such as the Mk1 Consul are from the excellent Pocketbod (Classix) range and Oxford Diecast (Triumph Herald and Heinkel Cabin Scooter 'bubblecar' - in the alley).
The Aldershot and District omnibus on the bridge is EFE, the coal merchant's lorry is Base Toys and the Wales & Edwards three-wheeled battery milk float is a delightful Oxford model.
A few are kit-built models such as the semi-rigid pantechnicon, Austin Mini traveller and the Scammell mechanical horse (Oxford now produce a model of this).
The two cyclists were also a kit whose name I've forgotten right now.
Most were acquired from browsing model railway shops over the years although these can be a dying breed (my regular shops are now long gone) as are some of the niche kit manufacturers.
As examples of mail order from smaller retailers in the north of the country I've used Arcadia (Shaw nr Oldham), in the south Compass Models (Rotherfield) and to the west, Hereford Model Shop.
Then there are the 'big-boys' such as Kernow Model Rail Centre (Camborne & Guildford) and The Model Centre (Whitby).
I hope this assists!🙂
@@ewhurstgreen So kind of you to take the time for this. I love Oxford, joined their club and own 8 of those gems already. I am from the US and I promise you I am going to check all the references you listed as I can. Again, wonderful of you to reply.
@@kevinyates2790 No problem! 👍
Oxford also produce quite a few American cars in HO and it would be nice if they produced a (just) post-war Buick in 4mm - Buick had UK dealerships at that time - so many forget or didn't realise (my first car was a Buick). 😉
You might just be interested in this page: www.bloodandcustard.net/BMWIsetta.html 🙂
Very authentic with the third live rail but I didn't see any flashes when the electric trains passed?!!😒
Thank you for your kind comment which pushed me into action! 👍
Did post a reply a week ago but it appears to have disappeared. In that reply I said I'd look into arc units - well, now delivered they are on my workbench.🙂
Conductor rail arcing is relatively rare and usually occur when a shoe leaves a conductor rail off-ramps. So the secret is going to be setting up a magnet (and reed switch) under the Secondman's position so the arc will only be drawn in one direction.⚡
Currently awaiting a delivery of small magnets which can fulfil this directional function. 🧐
I'll happen thanks to your comment! 🌞
@@ewhurstgreen I didn't mean to be so nit-picking lad, I meant it in jest really! You could super glue lighter flints to the pick-up shoes and sandpaper to the rail?! Ignore that!🙄🧐
@@johntyjp I actually thought it was an excellent idea and rapidly ordered up some arc-units. 👍
Then provided a detailed reply to you as to how it needs to be realistically achieved. 🙂
When I went to update that reply (following some experimentation) I found it to be missing. 😲
So, small rectangular magnets awaited so can then try fitting one. 🙂
As the 'realism' issues are interesting, may even record a technical video too. 😉
I have much to thank you for! 🌞
@@ewhurstgreen I have seen layouts with arcing and it really sets things off.
I have the components now - just need enough time to throw then together whilst creating a video to assist others. ⚡
Tease
Apologies as it was not meant to be - the intention was for the video to appear on Saturday - had not realised this would make it visible beforehand.