Except surprisingly few Italian Americans are actually taking the benefit of this. At the very least, it opens a new world of opportunities given that it is EU citizenship.
@@harisadu8998 I talked to my relatives and they somewhat knew about it but nobody’s really tried. My dad says the documentation is nearly impossible to assemble but I’m still going to try. I requested a genealogy report through the USCIS on my great-grandfather who became a U.S. citizen in 1926, and my grandmother was born in 1924. So I think I have a shot.
Just got my naturalization date for my great grandfather. Waited 9 months as well. Thank you for sharing your journey - it has been a big help. On to step 2!
This is so helpful! My Italian ancestor sent in "intent" in 1907 to become naturalized, so I just submitted to USCIS for the official date. Really hoping it works out!
Cool that you got your passport! I'm a italian-brazilian, for me I had to get documents from 9 generations behind me lol I prefered to go to Italy because it was faster Here in brazil it can take until 30 years!!!
Your videos have been my single most useful tool for beginning my quest for Italian citizenship, so thank you very much. My family came from Campobasso and Rodi Garganico. I am presently waiting for my great grandfather’s naturalization document, if it exists. I am anticipating some of the same problems you had, as my great grandfather went by three different names. Also he came to the US at age 15, which may be a problem as well. In any case I’m going to try my best. Thanks for all the incredible guidance!
OMG thank you so much for this video! I recently stumbled across the idea of dual citizenship through my Italian ancestors. I was really struggling with how to get ahold of my grandfathers naturalization records and this made it super straight forward!! Do you have further videos on the next steps of the process once you have the naturalization records?
@@RivieraDreamer Hey quick question! Around the @4:00 mark, you mention your "record" but the on-screen text reads "index search* request". In this case, what is your record and who do you get that from? And what does "index search* request" mean? Thanks so much.
I got lucky. My g-granfather was never a US citizen and it was all males in the process, so same last name. Yeah, the waiting time was terrible. To speed it up I contacted a local politician who made a call on my behalf and then low and behold I got my letter which satisfied the NY consulates requirments as proof.
Oh okay! So this video is super helpful for those who have Italian descent, but also have an Italian descent who renounced their Italian citizenship to become American. And how there is that 8 year window where you should look to see if you have any Italian family member born within that 8 year period. But this is just for those who have family members that were coming to America and renouncing their citizenship.
This is sooo helpful!! I’m currently in grade 9 but I am looking into getting dual citizenship in Italy so I can easily study abroad in college! Not really sure if our blood line was broken, hoping for the best!! Thank you sooo much!!!
I'm from Canada and I'm in grade 9 too. My Grandparents immagrated from Italy to Canada in the 70s. I've been an Italian citizen since I was born. Also, McMullen isn't a very Italian nane. Which country are you from?
Giuliano Barozzi Oh that’s so cool:) I love Canada, I visit Windsor often!! I’m from the United States😄 McMullen is from my grandpa he was born and raised in Canada and came from Irish ancestors:) My Italian comes from my Grandmas father who came here from Italy when he was young:) Do you have Instagram? :))
@@miamcmullen7703 Cool. Windsor is nice, I've never been though, but maybe one day, it is very close to the American border, and I live right in the outer parts of Ottawa. I do have Instagram, my name on there is giuliano barozzi and I have the same profile picture that I do on TH-cam. What's yours?
Hi, Normally i don't comment youtube videos, but i want to say something that i believe is important. I have nothing against you or other people that try to gain italian citizenship the way you did, but i think that's not right. Being italian is not a race, it's a nationality. To be really italian, you have to grow up and live in italy. There are many people that were born and grew up in italy that don't get italian citizenship. I believe those people are more italian than a person born in the usa that maybe does not even speak italian or/and has never been to italy with a random great grandfather from italy. I am sorry to say this. I don't want to offend anybody, it's just my opinion. It's not your fault, it's the italian law that has to be changed.
@@davidsmith9 yes, there is a very long wait time. After talking with a few more individuals about the duel citizenship process, I realized it's not something I need to do. The actual process was interesting to learn about. I've actually stopped my genealogy research since crossing paths with some, well, not very nice people and I was informed that in a way I'm taking someone's culture that isn't mine. My intentions were never to make anyone feel uncomfortable.
@@AP1455. wow, taking someone's culture? It's part of your heritage and something to be proud of. We're in a scary place right now due to populism and nationalism. I feel bad for you. My distant cousins in Italy think it's amazing that I'm able to do it, and I spent Christmas with them. Sorry you had a bad experience. Good luck to you.
Fascinating! I’m thinking about moving to Italy to teach English. How are the benefits, retirement, taxes and health insurance, etc? Perhaps this could be another idea for a video.
9 months is the general time period they tell you on the web site. I've got about 3 more months to go myself. I have gotten all BC's and some apostilles as well. Next will be translations. I've hired an Italian attorney to make my appts at local registrars office when I get there. Phew.
I'm a 1948 case, which means I had to go through the Italian courts to get citizenship because women couldn't pass their citizenship to their children before 1948 (my grandfather had already naturalized years earlier). It is a long (for me, almost 3 years) and REALLY expensive (for me, about $7k) and success is not guaranteed. Luckily I was successful.
The thing is, a lot of people are talking abut this kind of thing on youtube. This is not necessarily a good thing. I wouldnt be surprised if, because of the increased demand due to increased promotion and awareness thanks to youtubers talking about it, and because of rising populism and nationalism around Europe, (including in Italy) governments or the people vote to remove dual citizenship. People get jealous and jealous people get frustrated. And angry. They will start to take notice as multiple citizenships become a 'thing'. And they will pressure politicians to do something about it. The key to being privileged, in any way, is discretion.
I'm a dual EU (Irish) & USA citizen through my fathers birth in Ireland however my mothers side is from Italy so I also qualify through that blood line. My grandmother was born in Italy but because of Italian law it is easier to go through the paternal line which means my great grandfather. Working on it but looks like it will take over a year to get it. I have Irish (EU) and USA passports, I want the Italian one too even though I don't need it to work in Europe its more about an official link to my Italian heritage. I have worked in Europe before and would like to again.
If you have an Irish passport why would you brother? You are entitled to live and work anywhere in the EU. You'll just be wasting money, honestly. You can already live in Italy if you want.
@@RachelDavis705 Yes I realize that, it's more about pride in heritage than anything else. I am equally proud of both heritages and you never know what if one or both decides to pull a brexit? Unlikely but you never know.
Wow! This is great information! My great grand father immigrated to Argentina. Wondering how that would work with proof of non citizenship to Argentina.
After receiving your conformation letter from USCIS, did you then have to complete a Genealogy Records Request from G-1041 A and send in another $65. BTW my letter did not include my grandfather's naturalization date on it does have his GEN number and his C file number. Thanks for the video. Nick
I know this is a very hard question to answer but I'm trying to get my Italian citizenship as quickly as possible. But, since my parents are divorced, I don't know any names of my Italian Grandparents and so on. So pretty much, it starts with my Grandmother who's from Spain and my grandfather who's Italian and they move together to Cuba to have my father (everyone from my grandfather and up is Italian). So I wanted to know if it's possible to get a citizenship while having this bloodline (My mom and father are Cuban and I was born in the U.S) and will I need to have the names of my Grandparents to get it ?
Without the names of your grandparents it won’t be possible since you will need all of their original documents (birth, marriage, death) in order to apply.
My Great grandfather and great grandmother immigrated from Italy…. Next in line is my grandfather and he had my mother. My question is does my mother being an Italian female break the blood line?
Hello hello! Thank you so much for your informative video! I was wondering how you booked an appointment to apply for citizenship at the Italian consulate in Chicago? I've been trying to book an appointment with them through their online booking system for weeks, but it hasn't been working! Any help would be appreciated!! :)
Hi there! I think with Covid it’s a lot harder to do since they’re so behind on applications, last I heard they aren’t accepting appointments at the moment. I would keep checking every few weeks to see if it has opened up again!
Caroline! We just got an email from the USCIS that they could not find naturalization records. 👀 does this mean that they're lost and he never officially got naturalized?
my father was born in Italy and immigrated to USA in his 20's during the 1970's. Do I need to do same process? I believe he is a dual citizen, he wouldn't renounce his Italian citizenship unless required to. I didn't realize it took that long! But I'm in no rush.
I was wanting to live in Europe 10 years ago to teach but I didn't cause I saw I needed EU citizenship. Why did I not realize this until now?! I really wish I knew this was option sooner, but the way things are going in the US right now I feel like I have a very valid other reason to get an EU citizenship. (Plus, I miss living outside of the US -- for some reason life always feels easier to me once I get outta here).
Thank you so much for this! I'm a bit confused about the naturalization form as I requested it from the USCGS in March 2021. In November I received an email from them with a digital copy of the naturalization details attached. I understand that this isn't considered official. The document says that to request a copy I need to pay an additional $65 (I paid $65 when I initially requested this information in March) Is this normal?
My grandpa came to the US in 1955. According to my parents he never actually became a US Citizen ever. Would this still apply? Did he become naturalized regardless? As far as I'm aware, even if they signed paperwork they didn't just become US citizens but I really have no idea.
Silly question. It's based on blood. If you want to become Italian otherwise, then you have to work legally in Italy or invest there and then reside there for a minimum of 5 years.
If your grandfather/mother was born before your great-grandfather/mother naturalized then you dont have to know the exact date because they would have held there citizenship at their time of birth. Correct?
Help, I don't know my grandparent's names, they died before I was born. I just know the last name. I'm not really sure how to search on Ancestry, because it is kind of a common Italian last name. That's all I have : ( Only my fathers side, is completely Italian. My great grandparents were from the Abruzzo Region.. What do I do? I want EU citizenship. Thanks.
so did you move to Italy during, after or before the whole process of citizenship was finished? by the way, how long till you become an official Italian citizen? I'm thinking about applying for it as well, already have close family members who did it so the whole documentation grind should be facilitated..
I was a student in Italy for 3 years and started my citizenship process one year before finishing school. I was still working on getting my citizenship when I finished school so I changed my student permesso into a “permesso di soggiorno per attesa cittadinanza” once I graduated so I could live in Italy until the process was complete. The entire process from April 16, 2016 when I requested my very first document until July 25, 2018 when I was officially recognized as a citizen took about 2 years and 3 months. Once I had all of my documents together and submitted my application at the town hall in Italy it only took one week for me to receive my acceptance letter so most of my time was spent finding documents and getting translations. The only thing to note is that in order to submit your application in Italy you have to be a resident of the Italian city where you plan to apply.
Wish I could hire someone to see if my Italian grandfather and great-grandfather’s citizenship can allow me to obtain Italian citizenship. I have a feeling that my grandfather may have renounced his citizenship, when he came to America, but I know my great-grandfather did not. They were from Alessandro Della Rocco, Agrigento, Sicily. I’m willing to pay for a genealogist to find their birth record and death documents.
After you got the letter with the date, did you then have to get the certified Naturalization Record or did that letter saying they had a successful "index search" suffice? I was under the impression you do the index search to find the numbers, then you have to actually get the certified copy of the relatives naturalization papers. Thanks for any advice you can provide!
You need the index search first to confirm the record exists (sometimes it will come back saying there is no record which still qualifies you for citizenship since it basically means they never naturalized). If they do find your document in the index search, you will then use your document number they provide you with to order a copy of the official naturalization record.
My father migrated here in 1922, when he was 9 years old. His father migrated here in in 1920. Since my father was so young, would he have gone through the naturalization process?
I am not sure how it works with minors since my ancestors were over 18 when they immigrated, I’m guessing their naturalization was directly tied to their father’s if they didn’t need to do it individually!
It's now $65 to request this record!! Geezzz. I found a scan of my great grandfather in laws naturalization record through ancestry so I know it exists just need to cough up the money!
I think I spent close to $2,000 on the entire application process so be prepared to spend a lot more if you ever decide to pursue your dual citizenship! It's insanely expensive & I definitely had to save up to get all of my documents and translations together but I can say now that it was 100% worth it!
Riviera Dreamer do you have a document showing all your steps taken for reference? We’ll be applying for my wife, myself and our two children. Thank you for all the info.
in your case it would be that: 1 your great grandfather was an italian citizen and that your grandparent was born before your great grandfather was naturalized, and 2 that no one in that line renounced their italian citizenship breaking the line between you and your great grandfather.
Looking for dual citizenship for Canada / Italy. My parents may have already been citizens by the time I was born. not sure if they had dual or if they had to denounce italian citizenship when they bacame official csnadisn citizena I asked before but seems they didnt want to say because they came to canada for a life here why would you want to go? just visit. Will try to ask again. There is a lot of family that still lives there. is there a way of having them as proof of decent?
Do you think it’s possible people lied on the census records? Because I see a lot of discrepancies. ( with names, dates and even country of origin) for one of the census they wrote that the country of origin was Germany but that their native tongue is Italian. None of their other paperwork states this. All other paperwork states they lived in Sicily. Maybe at that time they were living in fear or embarrassed ? I don’t know 🤷♀️ Thank you for the naturalization info, because I did not know that.
Hi do u know how my husband can process his italian citizenship since he born in Argentina and become an American citizen more than 20 years his grandfather was from Italy Chieti province and never ever made his argetinian citizenship any help would be very much appreciate
I pretty certain my brother has the Naturalzation documents of my Great Grand parents Ive seen them and taken a picture of them. Funny thing is my grandfathers were dirty with grease and my Great grandmothers were clean. (ha ha men)...so what happens next? Can I save 9 months?
I was wondering if you just used the free version of Ancestry.com to find your lineage because I know if you pay for the extras, you could get more details. But all I would like to do is the same as you and find my grandparent who had lived in Italy
Ok so I click on the link you provided and then don't know where to go. The video shows you on the page and then just jumps to the index. The website keeps jumping me around to different FAQ pages.
My brain is frazzled and I’m confused lol! So my grandpa was born in Italy late January 1948 (just missed disqualification), lived there for a few years before migrating to the US with my Great grandparents (don’t know when) and my father was born in 1966… I don’t know if he was already nationalized by the time my father was born… would that disqualify me? also my grandpa’s brother’s daughter (aka my cousin i think lol) is an Italian citizen and lives there.. does that help me at all?
Can the process be dome in person? My ancestors are from Sicily and I want to go there in June and stay fro 30 days to research my history more. I was hoping to go to a local office in Sicily and file for dual citizenship. Can you tell me anything about this?
You will need all of your documentation ahead of time (it can take a few years to gather it) and then you’ll need to stay and establish residency before applying but yes it is possible!
Sra. Riviera Dreamer - I am trying to figure out if I meet the basic requirement of an unbroken Italian bloodline. My father immigrated from Italy to the U.S. in 1962. He is still alive and well, living in New York, and he just sent me a copy of his naturalization certificate. His Certificate of Naturalization is dated five days before I was born! You spoke in your video about a common multi-year time lag between naturalization and renunciation of Italian citizenship, but does the date on his certificate of naturalization correspond to the date on which he renounced his Italian citizenship? I am afraid that my hopes of dual U.S. / Italian citizenship have been dashed, and only by five days time.
I had the same thing happen & thought that was it for me but the naturalization certificate is actually not what you need to look at. That only shows the date they signed the certificate. After signing that certificate it could take up to 7 years for them to actually lose their italian citizenship and officially be recognized as American citizens. That’s why it’s so important to order the official document from the USCIS to see the REAL date of naturalization!!
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME... ok my dads parents are both from Italy.. born and migrated here in the 70s when my dad was 2 years old.... my father still has a green card & isn’t an official us citizen.. he can’t vote ETC, so when I was born 21 years ago he never gained his us citizenship... does this mean he is still an Italian citizen or was he naturalized when his parents were...if that’s the case then why the green card? Please someone let me know it’s very hard to find online
Thank you this video. I submitted the request to find my great grandfather’s naturalization date, but the USCIS told me they found no matching index reference to his name. I provided extremely detailed info, so he must not have become a naturalized US citizen. Does this mean I’m not eligible for Jure Sanguinis?
Hello! From my understanding that would mean you qualify and you need to request a Certificate of Non-Existence from the USCIS which proves that your ancestor was never officially naturalised and therefore the lineage was never broken. Since you are just starting this process I would highly recommend joining the Facebook group Dual U.S.-Italian Citizenship. I found it to be extremely helpful for getting quick responses to any questions I had during my application process!
Thank you so mush, I joined the FB group and they’ve been a huge help! My request for the certificate of nonexistence came was declined because it does exist. Another $65 and 1 year later, I have my great grandfather’s naturalization certificate (if at first you don’t succeed, try, try, again)!
thanks for all the info- do you know if I apply in this situation- my great great grandfather came to america and two years later had his wife and two kids sent to the US too. Would my great grandma need to give birth to my grandma before they got the official notice of naturalization? thank you !
If your great great grandfather came to America then the only thing to look at is that your great grandma was born before he was officially naturalized. If she was born before your great great grandfather was naturalized then she was an Italian citizen and the bloodline would be passed down automatically after that regardless of when her kids were born 😊
Unfortunately it’s not possible to complete the process online. You can apply in person at an Italian consolate in the U.S. or in Italy through the local town hall where you have residency ☺️
My wife has always had an Italian passport to this day, but was born in Germany. We have a child under 18 that was born in Germany while serving overseas. Our child now wants dual citizenship. Our kid has US citizenship now. Can you suggest how we should go about getting dual citizenship for our child?
Unfortunately this situation is very different from my own so I cannot personally give you any advice however I would highly recommend joining the Facebook group Dual U.S.-Italian Citizenship. I found it to be extremely helpful for getting quick responses to any questions I had during my application process!
So if my grandparents came from Italy and became US citizens before my father was born(he was born in US) than I can NOT gain dual citizenship? I tried clicking on the link but having trouble navigating from there
Was the parent through whom you got citizenship through still around when got citizenship? I'm wondering what my mom will have to do after I file. Will she have to sign something recognizing she's now Italian as well? Thanks!
Yea my dad is still around! If your mom wants their citizenship unfortunately they can’t go through you after the process is complete, they would have to do the entire application process on their own again. If you haven’t applied yet then you can apply together if your mom wants hers as well and you’ll both be granted citizenship! Saves a lot of time & money ;)
Hi, i got my italian permesso di sogiorno through my mother who is italian citizen, but its just 2 years, how was yours? Can you please help? I want italian passport 😭
@@RivieraDreamer I have a fairly major discrepancy on my grandfather's birth certificate. Would it be possible to get a copy of the form of affidavit you used to address your great-grandfather's name discrepancy?
Can you do this process while not being in the US? I know when I got a Schengen visa before I had to be in the US since they need your passport sent off.
I completed the entire process in Italy so I did not have to be in the US. I applied through the town hall of the city where I had residency in Italy. Most of the documents and translations can be acquired via mail but if applying in the US I know that the final application has to be submitted in person by appointment in whichever city your consulate is located (unless you are applying directly in Italy, which you can only do after acquiring residency in an Italian city). I hope that is helpful!
@@RivieraDreamer Really? Why so much? So far, I have spent around $600 getting all the documents I need with apostilles. In case any are missing, I'll round that to $1,000. The remaining steps are to get translations of every document, and then apply and pay whatever application fees there are. I'm hoping those last two steps won't cost that much!
Did you do it on your own or hire someone? I'm gonna try to do it on my own. I have the list of all the documents I need, and now I just need to hunt them down!
@@RivieraDreamer That's awesome and that gives me hope! I am confident I can track down all the documents I need - it just might take years to get them all and I might need to hire someone who speaks Italian if the comune ignores my emails, lol. Congrats and I hope you're doing well in Italy these days! I would rather be there than in the U.S. right now, which is what prompted me to finally get around to starting this process. 🙃
Update: I have almost all the documents I need. Now, I just need to pandemic to end so I can get a consulate appointment or travel to Italy and do it there!
Thank you for the info. I am lazy and impatient and would prefer to use lawyers to navigate the process. Are there specific law firm who have expertise in the process? If so, do you have any suggestions in narrowing down the eligible candidates? PS. I do qualify with the “blood line” entitlement. Again, thank you. Tom
Did the all process take 1 years and x months? I sent an email to Italian embassy in NY. They answered me saying it would take 2 years for appointment and 1 year to process the application. Once I apply and the application is complete I must prove that I still live in the USA. PS: I am brazilian.
this is the story of my life. My fathers parents were born in italy, came over, and i am almost positive, became naturalized citizens before my father was born. Meaning i am sure i can't grab Jure Sanguinis. Typical.
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oh damn, this sounds like one of the best secrets of being an Italian American.
Except surprisingly few Italian Americans are actually taking the benefit of this. At the very least, it opens a new world of opportunities given that it is EU citizenship.
@@harisadu8998 I talked to my relatives and they somewhat knew about it but nobody’s really tried. My dad says the documentation is nearly impossible to assemble but I’m still going to try. I requested a genealogy report through the USCIS on my great-grandfather who became a U.S. citizen in 1926, and my grandmother was born in 1924. So I think I have a shot.
Just got my naturalization date for my great grandfather. Waited 9 months as well. Thank you for sharing your journey - it has been a big help. On to step 2!
Who else thinks the background music is annoying?!
This is so helpful! My Italian ancestor sent in "intent" in 1907 to become naturalized, so I just submitted to USCIS for the official date. Really hoping it works out!
I am in the process of gathering all information needed to apply for dual citizenship right now. Thank you for sharing this information!
Cool that you got your passport!
I'm a italian-brazilian, for me I had to get documents from 9 generations behind me lol
I prefered to go to Italy because it was faster
Here in brazil it can take until 30 years!!!
Working on this asap! Forza Italia.
Your videos have been my single most useful tool for beginning my quest for Italian citizenship, so thank you very much. My family came from Campobasso and Rodi Garganico. I am presently waiting for my great grandfather’s naturalization document, if it exists. I am anticipating some of the same problems you had, as my great grandfather went by three different names. Also he came to the US at age 15, which may be a problem as well. In any case I’m going to try my best. Thanks for all the incredible guidance!
This is helpful. Time to get out of the U.S. because it's gone crazy.
So helpful!! 🙌🤗 I’ve just been gathering birth dates, locations, marriage dates…. I’ll get this ordered today. Thanks so much!!
hey thank you! if it wasn't for you and other youtubers i would have never known about this ! subscribed~
OMG thank you so much for this video! I recently stumbled across the idea of dual citizenship through my Italian ancestors. I was really struggling with how to get ahold of my grandfathers naturalization records and this made it super straight forward!! Do you have further videos on the next steps of the process once you have the naturalization records?
Uploading another video on the rest of the process this weekend!
@@RivieraDreamer awesome, I'll be looking for it!
@@RivieraDreamer Hey quick question! Around the @4:00 mark, you mention your "record" but the on-screen text reads "index search* request". In this case, what is your record and who do you get that from? And what does "index search* request" mean? Thanks so much.
I got lucky. My g-granfather was never a US citizen and it was all males in the process, so same last name. Yeah, the waiting time was terrible. To speed it up I contacted a local politician who made a call on my behalf and then low and behold I got my letter which satisfied the NY consulates requirments as proof.
now THAT'S Italian!
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Oh okay! So this video is super helpful for those who have Italian descent, but also have an Italian descent who renounced their Italian citizenship to become American. And how there is that 8 year window where you should look to see if you have any Italian family member born within that 8 year period. But this is just for those who have family members that were coming to America and renouncing their citizenship.
I just started looking into this - my 3x great grandfather is from Sicily
This is sooo helpful!! I’m currently in grade 9 but I am looking into getting dual citizenship in Italy so I can easily study abroad in college! Not really sure if our blood line was broken, hoping for the best!! Thank you sooo much!!!
Good luck on finding out :) you have Irish family too?
Pock Clash I do:), looking into that bloodline as well😂
I'm from Canada and I'm in grade 9 too. My Grandparents immagrated from Italy to Canada in the 70s. I've been an Italian citizen since I was born.
Also, McMullen isn't a very Italian nane. Which country are you from?
Giuliano Barozzi Oh that’s so cool:) I love Canada, I visit Windsor often!! I’m from the United States😄 McMullen is from my grandpa he was born and raised in Canada and came from Irish ancestors:) My Italian comes from my Grandmas father who came here from Italy when he was young:) Do you have Instagram? :))
@@miamcmullen7703 Cool. Windsor is nice, I've never been though, but maybe one day, it is very close to the American border, and I live right in the outer parts of Ottawa.
I do have Instagram, my name on there is giuliano barozzi and I have the same profile picture that I do on TH-cam. What's yours?
Hi,
Normally i don't comment youtube videos, but i want to say something that i believe is important. I have nothing against you or other people that try to gain italian citizenship the way you did, but i think that's not right. Being italian is not a race, it's a nationality. To be really italian, you have to grow up and live in italy. There are many people that were born and grew up in italy that don't get italian citizenship. I believe those people are more italian than a person born in the usa that maybe does not even speak italian or/and has never been to italy with a random great grandfather from italy. I am sorry to say this. I don't want to offend anybody, it's just my opinion. It's not your fault, it's the italian law that has to be changed.
@@AP1455. well if you're applying through the embassy in San Francisco it's a 7 year wait for an appt 😉
@@davidsmith9 yes, there is a very long wait time. After talking with a few more individuals about the duel citizenship process, I realized it's not something I need to do. The actual process was interesting to learn about. I've actually stopped my genealogy research since crossing paths with some, well, not very nice people and I was informed that in a way I'm taking someone's culture that isn't mine. My intentions were never to make anyone feel uncomfortable.
@@AP1455. wow, taking someone's culture? It's part of your heritage and something to be proud of. We're in a scary place right now due to populism and nationalism. I feel bad for you. My distant cousins in Italy think it's amazing that I'm able to do it, and I spent Christmas with them. Sorry you had a bad experience. Good luck to you.
This the mist helpful video on this subject I’ve seen
Fascinating! I’m thinking about moving to Italy to teach English. How are the benefits, retirement, taxes and health insurance, etc? Perhaps this could be another idea for a video.
9 months is the general time period they tell you on the web site. I've got about 3 more months to go myself. I have gotten all BC's and some apostilles as well. Next will be translations. I've hired an Italian attorney to make my appts at local registrars office when I get there. Phew.
praying that the naturalization date is 👌🏼
this is for all italian in american, include South America like me. my great great nonno came from Bene Lario, Lombardia. greetings.😂😂😅😅
I'm a 1948 case, which means I had to go through the Italian courts to get citizenship because women couldn't pass their citizenship to their children before 1948 (my grandfather had already naturalized years earlier). It is a long (for me, almost 3 years) and REALLY expensive (for me, about $7k) and success is not guaranteed. Luckily I was successful.
Hope you can get yours 👐
really? can you tell me how you do that? cause'in my family...I have a woman in my italian tree...too!! please!!
Me too.
The thing is, a lot of people are talking abut this kind of thing on
youtube. This is not necessarily a good thing. I wouldnt be surprised
if, because of the increased demand due to increased promotion and
awareness thanks to youtubers talking about it, and because of rising
populism and nationalism around Europe, (including in Italy) governments or the people
vote to remove dual citizenship. People get jealous and jealous people
get frustrated. And angry. They will start to take notice as multiple
citizenships become a 'thing'. And they will pressure politicians to do
something about it. The key to being privileged, in any way, is
discretion.
Excellent 👌 video and information!! Grazie Mille!!
I'm a dual EU (Irish) & USA citizen through my fathers birth in Ireland however my mothers side is from Italy so I also qualify through that blood line. My grandmother was born in Italy but because of Italian law it is easier to go through the paternal line which means my great grandfather. Working on it but looks like it will take over a year to get it. I have Irish (EU) and USA passports, I want the Italian one too even though I don't need it to work in Europe its more about an official link to my Italian heritage. I have worked in Europe before and would like to again.
If you have an Irish passport why would you brother? You are entitled to live and work anywhere in the EU. You'll just be wasting money, honestly. You can already live in Italy if you want.
@@RachelDavis705 Yes I realize that, it's more about pride in heritage than anything else. I am equally proud of both heritages and you never know what if one or both decides to pull a brexit? Unlikely but you never know.
It is my great grandparents too! I think they came before 1906! Did not see earlier entry dates on website
Wow! This is great information! My great grand father immigrated to Argentina. Wondering how that would work with proof of non citizenship to Argentina.
I’m not sure what the laws are there 🤔
Many Argentinians have Italian passports. You should set aside a couple thousand bucks and hire someone professional to do it. It can get complicated.
After receiving your conformation letter from USCIS, did you then have to complete a Genealogy Records Request from G-1041 A and send in another $65. BTW my letter did not include my grandfather's naturalization date on it does have his GEN number and his C file number.
Thanks for the video. Nick
You paid to have them locate to the file. Now, you need to submit a request for a copy of the actual file.
Molto aiuto! Grazie!
I know this is a very hard question to answer but I'm trying to get my Italian citizenship as quickly as possible. But, since my parents are divorced, I don't know any names of my Italian Grandparents and so on. So pretty much, it starts with my Grandmother who's from Spain and my grandfather who's Italian and they move together to Cuba to have my father (everyone from my grandfather and up is Italian). So I wanted to know if it's possible to get a citizenship while having this bloodline (My mom and father are Cuban and I was born in the U.S) and will I need to have the names of my Grandparents to get it ?
Without the names of your grandparents it won’t be possible since you will need all of their original documents (birth, marriage, death) in order to apply.
Found this all on Ancestry!
My Great grandfather and great grandmother immigrated from Italy…. Next in line is my grandfather and he had my mother. My question is does my mother being an Italian female break the blood line?
Why X files music?
Hello hello! Thank you so much for your informative video! I was wondering how you booked an appointment to apply for citizenship at the Italian consulate in Chicago? I've been trying to book an appointment with them through their online booking system for weeks, but it hasn't been working! Any help would be appreciated!! :)
Hi there! I think with Covid it’s a lot harder to do since they’re so behind on applications, last I heard they aren’t accepting appointments at the moment. I would keep checking every few weeks to see if it has opened up again!
Thank you!
Wish I had italian ancestry
Caroline! We just got an email from the USCIS that they could not find naturalization records. 👀 does this mean that they're lost and he never officially got naturalized?
Yes I enjoyed it
my father was born in Italy and immigrated to USA in his 20's during the 1970's. Do I need to do same process? I believe he is a dual citizen, he wouldn't renounce his Italian citizenship unless required to. I didn't realize it took that long! But I'm in no rush.
If you give more information on your ancestors does that slow or speed up the process of verifying the naturalization forms
You have had a good passport from de beginning. Before a get a italian passport, I only had a shitty one (from Brazil). That sucks.
I was wanting to live in Europe 10 years ago to teach but I didn't cause I saw I needed EU citizenship. Why did I not realize this until now?! I really wish I knew this was option sooner, but the way things are going in the US right now I feel like I have a very valid other reason to get an EU citizenship. (Plus, I miss living outside of the US -- for some reason life always feels easier to me once I get outta here).
Thank you so much for this! I'm a bit confused about the naturalization form as I requested it from the USCGS in March 2021. In November I received an email from them with a digital copy of the naturalization details attached. I understand that this isn't considered official. The document says that to request a copy I need to pay an additional $65 (I paid $65 when I initially requested this information in March) Is this normal?
My grandpa came to the US in 1955. According to my parents he never actually became a US Citizen ever. Would this still apply? Did he become naturalized regardless? As far as I'm aware, even if they signed paperwork they didn't just become US citizens but I really have no idea.
I am trying to do this at the moment. Besides ancestry did you at all hire someone to get your family history and if so what did you have to pay?
I actually only used ancestry, I was lucky to find everything I needed on there!
@@RivieraDreamer I cant seem to find much on ancestry. Thanks anyways. I hope to have dual citizenship
If my grandfather is alive and has his Italian passport, green card, & never naturalized .. do I still need this document?
What if you aren’t Italian? Do you just apply and hope to become one or is there a easier way for people who have no Italian in them
Silly question. It's based on blood. If you want to become Italian otherwise, then you have to work legally in Italy or invest there and then reside there for a minimum of 5 years.
If your grandfather/mother was born before your great-grandfather/mother naturalized then you dont have to know the exact date because they would have held there citizenship at their time of birth. Correct?
They will need the date regardless as proof, the naturalization certificate is a must for every application.
You said I have to get "a naturalization document from USCIS." Which specific document is this? N-400?
hi..anyone can help me with women 1948 ancestry on my italian tree, case? please....greetings from Chile.
Help, I don't know my grandparent's names, they died before I was born. I just know the last name. I'm not really sure how to search on Ancestry, because it is kind of a common Italian last name. That's all I have : ( Only my fathers side, is completely Italian. My great grandparents were from the Abruzzo Region.. What do I do? I want EU citizenship. Thanks.
Try checking local census records or talking to an office that specializes in finding ancestors!
you can look at your parents marriage certificate or your father's birth certificate. it will usually list parents' names.
so did you move to Italy during, after or before the whole process of citizenship was finished? by the way, how long till you become an official Italian citizen? I'm thinking about applying for it as well, already have close family members who did it so the whole documentation grind should be facilitated..
I was a student in Italy for 3 years and started my citizenship process one year before finishing school. I was still working on getting my citizenship when I finished school so I changed my student permesso into a “permesso di soggiorno per attesa cittadinanza” once I graduated so I could live in Italy until the process was complete. The entire process from April 16, 2016 when I requested my very first document until July 25, 2018 when I was officially recognized as a citizen took about 2 years and 3 months. Once I had all of my documents together and submitted my application at the town hall in Italy it only took one week for me to receive my acceptance letter so most of my time was spent finding documents and getting translations. The only thing to note is that in order to submit your application in Italy you have to be a resident of the Italian city where you plan to apply.
I’m in Italy right now can I obtain these records quicker in person here
Hey, I qualify! I would really like to know what the capital gains tax is like there? Do you have an any idea?
Wish I could hire someone to see if my Italian grandfather and great-grandfather’s citizenship can allow me to obtain Italian citizenship. I have a feeling that my grandfather may have renounced his citizenship, when he came to America, but I know my great-grandfather did not. They were from Alessandro Della Rocco, Agrigento, Sicily. I’m willing to pay for a genealogist to find their birth record and death documents.
After you got the letter with the date, did you then have to get the certified Naturalization Record or did that letter saying they had a successful "index search" suffice? I was under the impression you do the index search to find the numbers, then you have to actually get the certified copy of the relatives naturalization papers.
Thanks for any advice you can provide!
You need the index search first to confirm the record exists (sometimes it will come back saying there is no record which still qualifies you for citizenship since it basically means they never naturalized). If they do find your document in the index search, you will then use your document number they provide you with to order a copy of the official naturalization record.
My father migrated here in 1922, when he was 9 years old. His father migrated here in in 1920. Since my father was so young, would he have gone through the naturalization process?
I am not sure how it works with minors since my ancestors were over 18 when they immigrated, I’m guessing their naturalization was directly tied to their father’s if they didn’t need to do it individually!
It's now $65 to request this record!! Geezzz. I found a scan of my great grandfather in laws naturalization record through ancestry so I know it exists just need to cough up the money!
I think I spent close to $2,000 on the entire application process so be prepared to spend a lot more if you ever decide to pursue your dual citizenship! It's insanely expensive & I definitely had to save up to get all of my documents and translations together but I can say now that it was 100% worth it!
Riviera Dreamer do you have a document showing all your steps taken for reference? We’ll be applying for my wife, myself and our two children. Thank you for all the info.
Okay so what are the qualifications???? My great grandfather also immigrated here from Italy. ☺️
Qualifications meaning paperwork? You can find them all on the list on your consulate website!
in your case it would be that: 1 your great grandfather was an italian citizen and that your grandparent was born before your great grandfather was naturalized, and 2 that no one in that line renounced their italian citizenship breaking the line between you and your great grandfather.
Looking for dual citizenship for Canada / Italy.
My parents may have already been citizens by the time I was born. not sure if they had dual or if they had to denounce italian citizenship when they bacame official csnadisn citizena
I asked before but seems they didnt want to say because they came to canada for a life here why would you want to go? just visit. Will try to ask again.
There is a lot of family that still lives there. is there a way of having them as proof of decent?
Do you think it’s possible people lied on the census records? Because I see a lot of discrepancies. ( with names, dates and even country of origin) for one of the census they wrote that the country of origin was Germany but that their native tongue is Italian. None of their other paperwork states this. All other paperwork states they lived in Sicily. Maybe at that time they were living in fear or embarrassed ? I don’t know 🤷♀️ Thank you for the naturalization info, because I did not know that.
I’m just going through my grandfather. He became Canadian when my dad was 9 so my bloodline isn’t too difficult.
As an Italian citizen, there is any way to work in the USA?
Hi do u know how my husband can process his italian citizenship since he born in Argentina and become an American citizen more than 20 years his grandfather was from Italy Chieti province and never ever made his argetinian citizenship any help would be very much appreciate
I pretty certain my brother has the Naturalzation documents of my Great Grand parents Ive seen them and taken a picture of them. Funny thing is my grandfathers were dirty with grease and my Great grandmothers were clean. (ha ha men)...so what happens next? Can I save 9 months?
I was wondering if you just used the free version of Ancestry.com to find your lineage because I know if you pay for the extras, you could get more details. But all I would like to do is the same as you and find my grandparent who had lived in Italy
I got everything I needed with the free version! ☺️
Ok so I click on the link you provided and then don't know where to go. The video shows you on the page and then just jumps to the index. The website keeps jumping me around to different FAQ pages.
I also heard you can get naturalization records from NARA which may be quicker than USCIS. Do you know anything about that?
I have not heard anything about that!
My brain is frazzled and I’m confused lol! So my grandpa was born in Italy late January 1948 (just missed disqualification), lived there for a few years before migrating to the US with my Great grandparents (don’t know when) and my father was born in 1966… I don’t know if he was already nationalized by the time my father was born… would that disqualify me?
also my grandpa’s brother’s daughter (aka my cousin i think lol) is an Italian citizen and lives there.. does that help me at all?
Can the process be dome in person? My ancestors are from Sicily and I want to go there in June and stay fro 30 days to research my history more. I was hoping to go to a local office in Sicily and file for dual citizenship. Can you tell me anything about this?
You will need all of your documentation ahead of time (it can take a few years to gather it) and then you’ll need to stay and establish residency before applying but yes it is possible!
Sra. Riviera Dreamer - I am trying to figure out if I meet the basic requirement of an unbroken Italian bloodline. My father immigrated from Italy to the U.S. in 1962. He is still alive and well, living in New York, and he just sent me a copy of his naturalization certificate. His Certificate of Naturalization is dated five days before I was born!
You spoke in your video about a common multi-year time lag between naturalization and renunciation of Italian citizenship, but does the date on his certificate of naturalization correspond to the date on which he renounced his Italian citizenship? I am afraid that my hopes of dual U.S. / Italian citizenship have been dashed, and only by five days time.
I had the same thing happen & thought that was it for me but the naturalization certificate is actually not what you need to look at. That only shows the date they signed the certificate. After signing that certificate it could take up to 7 years for them to actually lose their italian citizenship and officially be recognized as American citizens. That’s why it’s so important to order the official document from the USCIS to see the REAL date of naturalization!!
I am looking for citizenship .... anyone can help ?
Does it apply if you born in Latin America
ok but what if your not Italian and French roots but an American. Can I not still get citizenship?
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME... ok my dads parents are both from Italy.. born and migrated here in the 70s when my dad was 2 years old.... my father still has a green card & isn’t an official us citizen.. he can’t vote ETC, so when I was born 21 years ago he never gained his us citizenship... does this mean he is still an Italian citizen or was he naturalized when his parents were...if that’s the case then why the green card? Please someone let me know it’s very hard to find online
Thank you this video. I submitted the request to find my great grandfather’s naturalization date, but the USCIS told me they found no matching index reference to his name. I provided extremely detailed info, so he must not have become a naturalized US citizen. Does this mean I’m not eligible for Jure Sanguinis?
Hello! From my understanding that would mean you qualify and you need to request a Certificate of Non-Existence from the USCIS which proves that your ancestor was never officially naturalised and therefore the lineage was never broken. Since you are just starting this process I would highly recommend joining the Facebook group Dual U.S.-Italian Citizenship. I found it to be extremely helpful for getting quick responses to any questions I had during my application process!
Thank you so mush, I joined the FB group and they’ve been a huge help! My request for the certificate of nonexistence came was declined because it does exist. Another $65 and 1 year later, I have my great grandfather’s naturalization certificate (if at first you don’t succeed, try, try, again)!
thanks for all the info- do you know if I apply in this situation-
my great great grandfather came to america and two years later had his wife and two kids sent to the US too. Would my great grandma need to give birth to my grandma before they got the official notice of naturalization? thank you !
If your great great grandfather came to America then the only thing to look at is that your great grandma was born before he was officially naturalized. If she was born before your great great grandfather was naturalized then she was an Italian citizen and the bloodline would be passed down automatically after that regardless of when her kids were born 😊
can we apply citizenship or passport online? like physically not in italy
Unfortunately it’s not possible to complete the process online. You can apply in person at an Italian consolate in the U.S. or in Italy through the local town hall where you have residency ☺️
Good mornin aunty you are doing good job
My wife has always had an Italian passport to this day, but was born in Germany. We have a child under 18 that was born in Germany while serving overseas. Our child now wants dual citizenship. Our kid has US citizenship now. Can you suggest how we should go about getting dual citizenship for our child?
Unfortunately this situation is very different from my own so I cannot personally give you any advice however I would highly recommend joining the Facebook group Dual U.S.-Italian Citizenship. I found it to be extremely helpful for getting quick responses to any questions I had during my application process!
Riviera Dreamer I see. Thank you much.
So if my grandparents came from Italy and became US citizens before my father was born(he was born in US) than I can NOT gain dual citizenship? I tried clicking on the link but having trouble navigating from there
That is correct!
Are the US taxes a huge pain in the ass when you are living overseas?
Hey, what side of your family is of Italian descent? Is it from the Paternal or maternal grandparents?
I did paternal! Maternal is a bit harder since you can’t go further back than 1932
can Arabian people get Italian citizenship ?
Was the parent through whom you got citizenship through still around when got citizenship? I'm wondering what my mom will have to do after I file. Will she have to sign something recognizing she's now Italian as well? Thanks!
Yea my dad is still around! If your mom wants their citizenship unfortunately they can’t go through you after the process is complete, they would have to do the entire application process on their own again. If you haven’t applied yet then you can apply together if your mom wants hers as well and you’ll both be granted citizenship! Saves a lot of time & money ;)
@@RivieraDreamer that's a shock! Thanks for the info!
I want to naturalise to be a 🇮🇹 italian how can i do
Hi, i got my italian permesso di sogiorno through my mother who is italian citizen, but its just 2 years, how was yours? Can you please help? I want italian passport 😭
Not needed to have an interview with an Italian judge - in Italian??
How long did it take to get a response? I submitted my request for more info today and I was just curious as to how long it could take
Mine took more than six months but it really depends how many requests they have coming in... expect to wait at least three
@@RivieraDreamer I have a fairly major discrepancy on my grandfather's birth certificate. Would it be possible to get a copy of the form of affidavit you used to address your great-grandfather's name discrepancy?
Can you do this process while not being in the US? I know when I got a Schengen visa before I had to be in the US since they need your passport sent off.
I completed the entire process in Italy so I did not have to be in the US. I applied through the town hall of the city where I had residency in Italy. Most of the documents and translations can be acquired via mail but if applying in the US I know that the final application has to be submitted in person by appointment in whichever city your consulate is located (unless you are applying directly in Italy, which you can only do after acquiring residency in an Italian city). I hope that is helpful!
wow facile
Unfortunately i was born in Morocco and my dream was to live in Italy.
About how much did the whole process cost you?
I would say around $3,000.00
@@RivieraDreamer Really? Why so much? So far, I have spent around $600 getting all the documents I need with apostilles. In case any are missing, I'll round that to $1,000. The remaining steps are to get translations of every document, and then apply and pay whatever application fees there are. I'm hoping those last two steps won't cost that much!
Did you do it on your own or hire someone? I'm gonna try to do it on my own. I have the list of all the documents I need, and now I just need to hunt them down!
I did it all on my own with the help of a friend who had already been through the process! 😊
@@RivieraDreamer That's awesome and that gives me hope! I am confident I can track down all the documents I need - it just might take years to get them all and I might need to hire someone who speaks Italian if the comune ignores my emails, lol. Congrats and I hope you're doing well in Italy these days! I would rather be there than in the U.S. right now, which is what prompted me to finally get around to starting this process. 🙃
Update: I have almost all the documents I need. Now, I just need to pandemic to end so I can get a consulate appointment or travel to Italy and do it there!
Absolutely right ♥️🇺🇸American and Italian 🇮🇹♥️ Dual citizenship I want two Passport ♥️🇺🇸🇮🇹♥️ with Billon Dollars and Euro money
did you have to translate your documents to Italian for jure sanguinis application?
Yes I did!
@@RivieraDreamer did you use someone local for translation? or someone you found on the internet?
Thank you for the info. I am lazy and impatient and would prefer to use lawyers to navigate the process. Are there specific law firm who have expertise in the process? If so, do you have any suggestions in narrowing down the eligible candidates? PS. I do qualify with the “blood line” entitlement. Again, thank you. Tom
Did the all process take 1 years and x months?
I sent an email to Italian embassy in NY. They answered me saying it would take 2 years for appointment and 1 year to process the application. Once I apply and the application is complete I must prove that I still live in the USA. PS: I am brazilian.
this is the story of my life. My fathers parents were born in italy, came over, and i am almost positive, became naturalized citizens before my father was born. Meaning i am sure i can't grab Jure Sanguinis. Typical.