You know ECR qualifies well at INDY much better than Rahal's team. But they have been very weak on road courses and street courses but decent on ovals. Reenus was kind of flatlining at ECR. I think he is a good driver and hopefully can get on a better team. Great for Jamie testing.
I see this as a huge signing for ECR and Rossi because of A. ECRs new partnership B. The new charter agreement and C. Which is most important to me, is that Rossi has always been good and dominant on road/street courses. Ed Carpenter is an oval guru. Rasmussen benefits most from this cause he can pick Alexander's brain. Its gonna be awesome seeing Rossi in a Splenda or Java House livery
On one hand, I feel like we won't truly see Rossi's potential until he's in a Penske or Ganassi car. On the other hand, he could turn out to be another talent that never quite lives up to his assumed potential. I am interested in seeing if he can improve ECR outside of the ovals.
He shoulda taken up Penskes offer of a 4th car in 2019 for 2020 and on. He overplayed his hand then just like he did this time and thought he was too good to be in a 4th car. He wants to be THE guy but his results don’t merit it, atleast on a top team.
I thank the good lord that the CART Texas race was cancelled because if that race did go on as scheduled you would have seen serious consequences from that. A real shame the IRL didn’t listen to their drivers at Vegas as Cart officials did at Texas…….
That had nothing to do with that CART cancelled that race at Texas . Dan Wheldon.was killed because SMI had the fence posts inside of the catch fence at Las Vegas. Don't know if they still do or if any of their other tracks they own did or still do. His death had nothing to do with the drivers having G Force issues at Texas for the CART race in 2001.
@RobertDetert, but the drivers during testing for Vegas told the officials that it would be a full throttle pack race where they would be 3 wide the whole race & what happened the drivers were right
@@markhunt7434 but that’s not what killed Dan Sheldon. If 3 wide racing is so dangerous then why is Indianapolis on the schedule still why is any other oval then?
@BLEON94 Yeah, sucks for him, but that's part of the business. You wanna keep your job, then you gotta peform. He's shown enough promise im sure he'll land on his feet though.
My dad and I drove all the way from Minneapolis, MN to Dallas, TX to see that race. I’ll never forget him telling me, “They’re not letting people in the seats. Something about the cars being too fast?” That really pissed us off. Obviously I’m still a fan, but I couldn’t believe they didn’t do enough testing to see that coming.
That whole thing was political... if they wanted them to run slower to run the race, all they had to do is change the rev-limiter, or pop-off valve. They wanted to go that fast so they had an excuse to cancel it to make a point that Ovals are stupid and dangerous... because at that time CART was in direct competition with IRL. The point is, Anything is possible... just like Texas this past year... if they really wanted to make racing work at that track, they would have made it work with scheduling or whatever, the fact is, they just don't want to go there. And so they are not. This is EXACTLY what I hated about CART and it is exactly what makes NASCAR successful. In Indycar, the series listens to the drivers. with NASCAR the series listens to the fans.
My son and I have been fortunate enough to meet him at 2 out of the 3 races we've gone to over the past 2 seasons and would you believe it felt like he was the one with all the time in the world for us. Not in a hurry, just very willing to hang out and get to know you. Rossi is my #1 but I'm always looking for Jack on the ticker as well because of that. That has to count for something; surely sponsors take notice of that.
He's out of a full time ride, but he might have a part time ride with Dale Coyne. Coyne's limited to switching drivers out 3 times per car so that's 6 possible chances he could fit in.
I was there. Jimmy Varrer had to be lifted by team mates to get out of car. I another driver hit the wall at turn 2 and the bucket stopped at turn 4. Cart contacted the AirForce medical. Medical said the driver's need pressure suits to push blood into the upper body. The race was canceled. My thought they should had a bigger wicker on the back wing to slow the cars down.
I don't remember where I saw it, but someone who knows this stuff echoed what I've always said; lots and lots of guys can go fast over one lap and they get big reputations for it, but consistently being fast over a race distance is an entirely different matter.
@@f1jones544 TBF, I wouldn't necessarily say that "lots and lots" can do it, lay down top tier qualifying laps; rather qualifying and racing are just different skill sets, and having one doesn't mean that you have the other. Not to nitpick, but... lol
During his fourth full season in IndyCar, Newgarden raced under the merged team of Sarah Fisher and Ed Carpenter. So he has had a 500 winner drive for him before.
@@Angelbonilla1982On a road course, the MP4-4 is faster, but on an oval, the engine would blow because it wasn't designed to spend the majority of a lap at red line and it's so much lighter than a Champ Car that it would be a deathtrap if a driver lost control and hit a wall.
You didn't mention that this was made possible because of the charter system. Gelov (is that right?) made it clear that one of the main reasons he invested was because of the new charter system. There's a lot of doom and gloom about the charter system but we have to talk about the good with the bad.
TMS could shake things up and use the criminally under utilized roval layout. It has been used for endurance racing before, and the road course actually has a bit of elevation change.
02:15 "The most advanced race cars in the world". No. Not by a long shot, even the most fanatic Indycar has to realise that. Still, those cars were seriously fast on oval (what they were designed for...) Road courses, not so much.
My take away from texas 01 Open up the rules run it like air racing though. If you hit a certain g load or sustain a certain numeric g load you get penalized
He still says IndyCar is too scary, but wants to do a NASCAR race at Daytona and some race at Bathurst. Everything he says is he's looking for part time since the Money Badger has plenty of money from the last 5 years.
I always thought those Drivers were chicken to go that fast in qualifying knowing the cars will be slower for race day with more downforce. They could have lowered the Boost that would have slowed them down too.
Yeah it takes a real man to not fall into a black out and unconsciousness due to the tremendous G forces on the brain and then crash and die. What a bunch of babies 🙄
There's a Racer Magazine retrospective that was incredibly detailed of the before, during, and after of that "race." The engine makers vetoed turning down the boost because it would make the engines less reliable. Not that they weren't popping engines left and right at that time, but just like the 2005 Indy F1 race, everyone has their excuse, and the only good one for not going to the roval was that no one had the road course parts and couldn't get them in under 12 hours.
He was the 2nd and 3rd Place Driver for the season in the Andretti era. He had legit talent with proper support team. Three solid years of great results, that is a fact. It ended, but the driver is the same person.
Agreed that Rossi is just average. He seems to always be unhappy about something. I'm guessing he thinks he is a better driver than he really is. I understand that you need to be confident in what you're doing to succeed but he always seems to be off
@@Arturo-sm1tb He was 2nd and 3rd before Herta, Oward, Palou, and McLaughlin were around. He had legit talent relative to Zach Veach, Spencer Pigot, Hinchcliffe and Marco Andretti.
Rossi was at his best at Andretti due to relying on the set ups of his teammates. It's clear Rossi cannot set up a car to suit his driving style. He has struggled at McLaren as O'Ward himself cannot offer good driver feedback for the team to set up a car to suit his own driving style. Both Rossi and O'Ward haven't driven the McLaren team in a forward direction in relation to set up and engineering. Christian Lundgaard will be a welcome addition at McLaren in relation to his driver feedback for the team to engineer their cars. I don't think anything will change at ECR for Rossi as he won't offer any engineering feedback to the team and he will rely on the ECR set up information ECR has already on its books for ovals. I don't think Rossi was ever in the mix at Rahal and MSR going with Marcus Armstrong was based on the Ganassi teams feedback that Armstrong offers set up and engineering benefits to the MSR team and his teammate. Penske and Ganassi are strong as a team because they have drivers who can give set up and engineering feedback that benefits the team and it's drivers. If a set up is not working for Dixon, they will apply a Palou set up to see if that helps Dixon or if Power is struggling, they will apply a Newgarden set up to see if that helps Power.
What kind of driver is Veekay that he deserves a ride? A Mediocre one? A Blow than average one?... The fact that any team is clamoring or willing to sign him is baffling and just says a lot about Indy... Man doesn't even have a sponsor, literally brings nothing to the table, not sponsors or results. & thee are tons of drivers that seat could go to
What about Grosjean for road / streets, Conor Daly for the ovals for the # 77? Grosjean free to do Le Mans under this arrangement.
I think Grosjean is not the driver the #77 should be looking at...
Almost every year, Ed Carpenter and his cars are so competitive at the Indy500 and I really hope he wins it one day!
Really wish Conor could get a full time ride
RINUS VEEKAY deserves a seat!
Thank you for sharing the 2001 footage
You know ECR qualifies well at INDY much better than Rahal's team. But they have been very weak on road courses and street courses but decent on ovals. Reenus was kind of flatlining at ECR. I think he is a good driver and hopefully can get on a better team. Great for Jamie testing.
It's not Silly Season, it's Stupid Season.
I see this as a huge signing for ECR and Rossi because of A. ECRs new partnership B. The new charter agreement and C. Which is most important to me, is that Rossi has always been good and dominant on road/street courses. Ed Carpenter is an oval guru. Rasmussen benefits most from this cause he can pick Alexander's brain. Its gonna be awesome seeing Rossi in a Splenda or Java House livery
On one hand, I feel like we won't truly see Rossi's potential until he's in a Penske or Ganassi car. On the other hand, he could turn out to be another talent that never quite lives up to his assumed potential. I am interested in seeing if he can improve ECR outside of the ovals.
He shoulda taken up Penskes offer of a 4th car in 2019 for 2020 and on. He overplayed his hand then just like he did this time and thought he was too good to be in a 4th car. He wants to be THE guy but his results don’t merit it, atleast on a top team.
Me too! Agree 100%
I thank the good lord that the CART Texas race was cancelled because if that race did go on as scheduled you would have seen serious consequences from that. A real shame the IRL didn’t listen to their drivers at Vegas as Cart officials did at Texas…….
That had nothing to do with that CART cancelled that race at Texas .
Dan Wheldon.was killed because SMI had the fence posts inside of the catch fence at Las Vegas.
Don't know if they still do or if any of their other tracks they own did or still do.
His death had nothing to do with the drivers having G Force issues at Texas for the CART race in 2001.
@RobertDetert, but the drivers during testing for Vegas told the officials that it would be a full throttle pack race where they would be 3 wide the whole race & what happened the drivers were right
@@markhunt7434 but that’s not what killed Dan Sheldon. If 3 wide racing is so dangerous then why is Indianapolis on the schedule still why is any other oval then?
@@TrevorPhipps-vw6kr uh the banking and indy is barely 2 wide
You don't think they should have run it just to see what happened?
Maybe the real Firestone Firehawk 600 was the friends we made along the way
What a day for ECR!
Im really high on Linus Lundquists upside. I could see him and Yuri Vips as an intriguing pair for RLL
What about Veekay 🇳🇱
@BLEON94 Yeah, sucks for him, but that's part of the business. You wanna keep your job, then you gotta peform. He's shown enough promise im sure he'll land on his feet though.
I Love that there are so many News about Indy! Thats great for the Sport and for my soul too
My dad and I drove all the way from Minneapolis, MN to Dallas, TX to see that race. I’ll never forget him telling me, “They’re not letting people in the seats. Something about the cars being too fast?”
That really pissed us off. Obviously I’m still a fan, but I couldn’t believe they didn’t do enough testing to see that coming.
That whole thing was political... if they wanted them to run slower to run the race, all they had to do is change the rev-limiter, or pop-off valve. They wanted to go that fast so they had an excuse to cancel it to make a point that Ovals are stupid and dangerous... because at that time CART was in direct competition with IRL. The point is, Anything is possible... just like Texas this past year... if they really wanted to make racing work at that track, they would have made it work with scheduling or whatever, the fact is, they just don't want to go there. And so they are not. This is EXACTLY what I hated about CART and it is exactly what makes NASCAR successful. In Indycar, the series listens to the drivers. with NASCAR the series listens to the fans.
Yay at least he found an IndyCar ride somewhere. ECR is a downgrade but he'll likely be the #1 driver. Hopefully make ECR a championship contender.
Nice to see that footage.
Still don't know why they would want a Dallas street race when COTA is so close nearby.
Because Mark Miles has a fetish for street courses.
I hope it goes the route of Nashville and we get back to the oval
Simple.... street races generate a lot of money
The cota race was also terrible and terrible attendance
I will be attending the race street or oval. It’ll be my first!
NTT Data is the reason
Rossi and carpenter can be quick at Indy…..
Could some of the employees let go at CGR move to ECR? McLarens support of Rossi was garbage be it fuel strategy, pit stops, loose tires, etc.
They could, but Ganassi is also expanding into Indy NXT as well.
So, Jack Harvey is officially out of IndyCar? Hate that if so. Such a good guy.
Sadly he played the wrong card when moving from shank to RLL.
He’s not that good in Indycar he should go to imsa!
My son and I have been fortunate enough to meet him at 2 out of the 3 races we've gone to over the past 2 seasons and would you believe it felt like he was the one with all the time in the world for us. Not in a hurry, just very willing to hang out and get to know you. Rossi is my #1 but I'm always looking for Jack on the ticker as well because of that. That has to count for something; surely sponsors take notice of that.
He's out of a full time ride, but he might have a part time ride with Dale Coyne. Coyne's limited to switching drivers out 3 times per car so that's 6 possible chances he could fit in.
Thanks David
Hmmmm...
Saw that CART Clip yesterday, really stupid fast.
It looks a lot fast because the track is 1.5 miles, cart was fastest at fontana and Michigan.
@@olinaguasalvarado3225 Yeah, those two mile speedways with the hanford device were crazy, and Giles set the closed course record at Fontana.
@@TS0713 Gil de ferran.
@@olinaguasalvarado3225 Gil*, I am bad
I am very intrigued how this offseason will go. Hopefully Foster, Abel, and/or Chadwick can get on
Lets face it only one of them are going to be kne the grid and its most likely with Dale Coyn
Why not Conor Daly at Rahal? I wish he’d get a full-time ride.
That is less seats for Veekay 🇳🇱 & Lundqvist 🇸🇪 they also deserve a full time drive for 2025
I think Sting Ray takes his money there
@@heetseeker8017 Dale Coyne or Juncos Holliger?
2:31 why do I hear the "GET OUT" sound effect as the car goes by
I was there. Jimmy Varrer had to be lifted by team mates to get out of car.
I another driver hit the wall at turn 2 and the bucket stopped at turn 4.
Cart contacted the AirForce medical. Medical said the driver's need pressure suits to push blood into the upper body. The race was canceled.
My thought they should had a bigger wicker on the back wing to slow the cars down.
More lost lost media, practice at Dallas to see multiple cars going that fast.
Does Rossi get a part of the team as speculated?
Well… at least he’s there for two seasons
Hoping Rossi will avoid the Yellow Submarine Splenda car. The Java House number 20? He's a big coffee guy, so it would be perfect.
It is hard to figure out how Ed Carpenter can qualify so well but fall behind so badly during a race
I don't remember where I saw it, but someone who knows this stuff echoed what I've always said; lots and lots of guys can go fast over one lap and they get big reputations for it, but consistently being fast over a race distance is an entirely different matter.
@@f1jones544 TBF, I wouldn't necessarily say that "lots and lots" can do it, lay down top tier qualifying laps; rather qualifying and racing are just different skill sets, and having one doesn't mean that you have the other.
Not to nitpick, but... lol
During his fourth full season in IndyCar, Newgarden raced under the merged team of Sarah Fisher and Ed Carpenter. So he has had a 500 winner drive for him before.
On one of the podcasts (SpeedStreet of OffTrack) Jaime said she chose Barber.
Andretti Technology is supporting Rahal now
Andretti Global to Arrow McLaren and now to Ed Carpenter Racing...Sooner or later Alexander Rossi will find a home.
He’ll be out soon.
Yep . IMSA . Soon .
I'd love to see Ricciardo signing with Ganassi...
Maybe if Jamie gets a ride with DCR, they could add a car for Legge at the 500? or would that be just too much british accents for one team???
Which car was the fastest McLaren Honda MP-4 C or Cart like this one in the video?
Cart
McLaren's 2001 F1 car or the MP4-4 that Senna and Prost drove?
@danielhenderson8316 yup!, sorry, I didn't remember well 5he model
@@danielhenderson8316 Senna
@@Angelbonilla1982On a road course, the MP4-4 is faster, but on an oval, the engine would blow because it wasn't designed to spend the majority of a lap at red line and it's so much lighter than a Champ Car that it would be a deathtrap if a driver lost control and hit a wall.
Dallas roads suck. Trust me I went to school there. Houston baby Rules.
Has Simpson been formally announced at Gannasi?
Not formally, but I think everyone is assuming that the money will talk over there
@Untoastedbagel1271 thanks. I assume that was the case but I was wondering why haven't Gannasi announced it yet
The delay makes me wonder if some arrangement with another team might be in the works.
You didn't mention that this was made possible because of the charter system. Gelov (is that right?) made it clear that one of the main reasons he invested was because of the new charter system. There's a lot of doom and gloom about the charter system but we have to talk about the good with the bad.
Sweet mouse!
TMS could shake things up and use the criminally under utilized roval layout. It has been used for endurance racing before, and the road course actually has a bit of elevation change.
Enough with the temporary follow the leader street courses already!!
Our national nightmare is over!
it's gotta be Louis Foster he dominated this year, but but but, and there's always a but, Jamie is by far the biggest name and draw
02:15 "The most advanced race cars in the world". No. Not by a long shot, even the most fanatic Indycar has to realise that. Still, those cars were seriously fast on oval (what they were designed for...) Road courses, not so much.
Correction, sting rays dad or devlins dad sized money bring
So if Schwartzman goes to Indy, who gets the seat in the #83 I wonder?
Top 10 driver gonna be mid fielding in arguably the worst team in the series
He’s not top 10…
@@jamesstetz9884 I mean he finished top 10 in the series…
@@jamesstetz9884 think that makes him top 10, but I’ll get the crayons for ya
Go Texans
My take away from texas 01 Open up the rules run it like air racing though. If you hit a certain g load or sustain a certain numeric g load you get penalized
Do you think Ricciardo is coming to Indy car
Every time he is asked he says ovals are too scary .
I'd rather see Bottas in indycar instead, honestly.
No way. Too expensive.
He still says IndyCar is too scary, but wants to do a NASCAR race at Daytona and some race at Bathurst. Everything he says is he's looking for part time since the Money Badger has plenty of money from the last 5 years.
@danielhenderson8316 in a way pack racing at Daytona is scarier
Why did they let Rinus go? Hope he gets a seat elsewhere.
I always thought those Drivers were chicken to go that fast in qualifying knowing the cars will be slower for race day with more downforce. They could have lowered the Boost that would have slowed them down too.
Yeah it takes a real man to not fall into a black out and unconsciousness due to the tremendous G forces on the brain and then crash and die. What a bunch of babies 🙄
There's a Racer Magazine retrospective that was incredibly detailed of the before, during, and after of that "race." The engine makers vetoed turning down the boost because it would make the engines less reliable. Not that they weren't popping engines left and right at that time, but just like the 2005 Indy F1 race, everyone has their excuse, and the only good one for not going to the roval was that no one had the road course parts and couldn't get them in under 12 hours.
Someone should be throwinf money at a certain aussie f1 driver who may not have a drive next year....
How is McLaren so bad that he wants to go to ECR 😮
McLaren is so woke
@@HAGMAN3926 pointless comment.
He wanted more salary than they were willing to pay, so he dipped. Said so on his podcast.
Plus he’s an awfully boring BANDIT!
With his non-existent results, he’s lucky to have a ride at all.
@@jamesstetz9884Those results are mostly down to team race execution rather than the driver’s race execution.
Please no more Sting Ray. One of the worst drivers ever. I hope Grosjean will go. He's such an embarrassment for Indycar.
Can Stingray Rob, Rob Moroso himself?
Why not just say it at the beginning. Too blabbering
The algorithm.
Rossi is average at best. Ten years ago he was top 3.
1st
Rossi been fooling people for years for the utter bandit he really is. Absolutely poor tier driver
Average driver = average team
He was the 2nd and 3rd Place Driver for the season in the Andretti era. He had legit talent with proper support team. Three solid years of great results, that is a fact. It ended, but the driver is the same person.
Agreed that Rossi is just average. He seems to always be unhappy about something. I'm guessing he thinks he is a better driver than he really is. I understand that you need to be confident in what you're doing to succeed but he always seems to be off
@@Arturo-sm1tb He was 2nd and 3rd before Herta, Oward, Palou, and McLaughlin were around. He had legit talent relative to Zach Veach, Spencer Pigot, Hinchcliffe and Marco Andretti.
Rossi was at his best at Andretti due to relying on the set ups of his teammates.
It's clear Rossi cannot set up a car to suit his driving style.
He has struggled at McLaren as O'Ward himself cannot offer good driver feedback for the team to set up a car to suit his own driving style. Both Rossi and O'Ward haven't driven the McLaren team in a forward direction in relation to set up and engineering.
Christian Lundgaard will be a welcome addition at McLaren in relation to his driver feedback for the team to engineer their cars.
I don't think anything will change at ECR for Rossi as he won't offer any engineering feedback to the team and he will rely on the ECR set up information ECR has already on its books for ovals.
I don't think Rossi was ever in the mix at Rahal and MSR going with Marcus Armstrong was based on the Ganassi teams feedback that Armstrong offers set up and engineering benefits to the MSR team and his teammate.
Penske and Ganassi are strong as a team because they have drivers who can give set up and engineering feedback that benefits the team and it's drivers. If a set up is not working for Dixon, they will apply a Palou set up to see if that helps Dixon or if Power is struggling, they will apply a Newgarden set up to see if that helps Power.
Rossi is a Indy 500 winner that’s more prestigious than winning a Indycar championship!
What kind of driver is Veekay that he deserves a ride? A Mediocre one? A Blow than average one?... The fact that any team is clamoring or willing to sign him is baffling and just says a lot about Indy... Man doesn't even have a sponsor, literally brings nothing to the table, not sponsors or results. & thee are tons of drivers that seat could go to
Idiot He is potential driver he was 6 points off Rosenqvist if Veekay was mediocre than so is Rosenqvist Ericsson Lundqvist
Idiot
Veekay won Indy road course 1 in 2021.
he finished P13 in the standings this year in a backmarker car while his teammate (the indy NXT champion no less) scraped into the leaders circle
Rinus is a better driver than both current ecr drivers. Rossi is over rated.