Another thought about playback mode... Instead of mapping each Looper's start and stop buttons, I'm playing around with mapping the mute and solo buttons in Ableton's mixer for each Looper track. Jury is still out though.
This is a great idea. I tried this too, but found the timing really tricky. Using start/stop felt more intuitive, but I’d be really interested to hear if you can make the mute option work!
Great video Oliver! I think I may have a workaround for the playback mode and only using one-button. I'd love your feedback - I'm using the Nektar Pacer controller so may be a bit different than the FCB1010. On my controller, I can set my midi notes to come as a sequence in steps, rather than just 1x fixed note. So, my thinking is that when in Playback Mode, I can set my footswitch #1 to sequence between 2x different midi notes in sequence. Then, I'll just map those to the respective Play / Stop buttons in the looper. Where I'll need to be careful is making sure I map the first button press to "Stop" and the second to "Play" since when I'm in Playback Mode, the loopers should already be playing. The only problem I might foresee happening here is forgetting to "reset" the pedals at the beginning of the next song...as some might trigger "Play" in the next button sequence vs. starting on "Stop". Does that make sense? Let me know your thoughts, please! I wonder what I might be overlooking here....
This is a great comment. I think this is definitely worth a try. I think your point on resetting at the beginning of each song is really important. I use BOME MIDI translator, so may be able to write a short script to do this - alternatively max for live could work!
Thanks a lot for your amazing tutorial! Just used the ableton looper for the first time yesterday and i'm impressed how you leveled that thing up. Comes in handy that i already have an fcb1010 laying around :) looking forward to try that!
Using Max for live, you could write a script that would take your midi in and do different things based on whether the loop is playing or not. That would solve your two buttons in playback mode problem.
Well done class setup thank you. Just wondering if you know how to stop the double press with my midi controller it’s driving me nuts 😂😂. My midi foot pedal set for cc for transport and need to press 3 times to stop and reset transport. Thank you 🙏
Thanks! Sounds like a classic MIDI foot switch problem. These things always seem to send more messages than you want them to. I have 3 potential suggestions: 1) buy BOME and use it as a filter - use the pedal to trigger then send exactly what you want through to your Ableton session. 2) check what exact messages the pedal is sending to Ableton - there might be more than one message. 3) check the settings in Ableton - make sure the the pedal is only set as ‘remote’ - maybe switch off ‘track’ and ‘sync’. If none of these work - sorry! It’s a bloody minefield!
Nice one, very useful! I'm trying to setup looping in Ableton in a similar way, but with a mk1 Ableton Push instead of a pedal - a video on that would be great 👍
Thanks for this. As a computer geek, I got into Ableton and Mobius because that's what I read he used under the hood. But I hit a wall when it came to Mobius scripting, which was needed for things like stopping and starting all the loops together. This solves that nicely. Also, my FCB1010 came with the EurekaPROM chip instead of the stock one like you. I found that putting it into IO Mode and using Bome Midi Translator software to change the signals into something Ableton likes has been an invaluable, if not cheap, option. Again, great video. Looking forward to trying it out tonight.
Brilliant, thanks for the feedback! I’ve never tried the mobius solution, so I appreciate hearing from someone who has used it! Let me know how it goes, and if you find any improvements!
@@olivergearing With the advent of the looper stock plugin, there really is no advantage to Mobius these days. And as it's 32-bit, you need to use something like JBridge of 32 Lives! to get it to even work. Which is why I was excited to see your solution.
Cool video. To be clear and so that I understand, whenever a looper is recording they're all recording (i.e. adding layers) and all but one track is essentially layering "nothing"? I think I missed the point of the master looper track. Could you explain?
That is exactly it. It means you can control all loopers as though they are one. It was necessary so the 4 loopers with audio were completely independent, but controlled in the same way.
Nice video. As far as the one button play and stop, I’m using a Nektar Pacer foot pedal, and in the settings you can have one button round robin up to 6 cc messages, so in theory when I set mine up I could have it cycle through two CC’s and assign one to start one to stop. See if your Behringer has that functionality, and if not maybe take the Nektar for a spin.
Hi Oliver , very useful video !! Thanks for that !! I have question : is it possible to assign the same button to play and stop one looper ?? Like ed Sheeran … Thanks
I think the Playback mode mapping seems to be a bit off. Ed’s loop station behaves like a one-track looper but with the ability to overdub/mute on 8 separate “master” layers. I think what you should’ve done on the Playback bank is to remap the buttons you used to play the 4 tracks into mute buttons. The Stop button becomes a global stop regardless of which mode, and you map a separate MIDI message for the Play button on the transport. Idk it’s hard to explain through text only, and Ableton is very customizable. Whatever works for you will work:))
Thanks! Great feedback. I tried that first, but sometimes you want to start the loop in time before the beat, it it worked better for me that way! Thanks for the comment
Great work! I just got used to Quantiloop on iPad but for reliability I would prefere my Mac to loop live. I just started programming your settings to Ableton. This is amazing - thanks a lot. But what I don't get: What is the Master Loop for, exactly? It is connected to nothing, so it doesn't record or send anything. But Also it is being triggered by the Midi Buttons just like like all the 4 loop tracks in unison. So how does this track control anything else?
@@olivergearing Hi, I feel like I am (painfully!) close to completing the configuration of this set up with a Morningstar MC8 controller and Ableton. I am trying to reference and model your midi mapping however the full mapping is not available through the video. Can you make the full mapping available? I am having an issue mapping stop(?), also having a problem with echo (latency?) on all inputs and curious if there is a simple solution? Do you have a Patreon with more detailed info or are you available for paid video chat so that I can can shorten my learning curve??? Thanks and I appreciate your videos - super helpful!
Thank you! I haven't got a patreon I'm afraid, and am struggling a little with time at the moment. However, I can probably help a bit from here! Is the stop button the Looper effect stop, or the overall stop button for Ableton? Both of these want to have a MIDI note as their mapping device. Make sure your device is sending both 'note on' and 'note off' messages with each press - this is an error which I created when I used BOME to send only a note on message.
Full mapping: FCB 1010 Bank 2 Pedal 1 - MIDI CC 91 - mapped to record arm the first looper track 2 - MIDI CC 92 - mapped to record arm the second looper track 3 - MIDI CC 93 - mapped to record arm the third looper track 4 - MIDI CC 94 - mapped to record arm the fourth looper track 5 - MIDI note 95 - mapped to all 5 Pedal/transport buttons on the 5 looper effects 6 - MIDI note 96 - mapped to all 5 clear buttons on the 5 looper effects 7 - MIDI note 97 - mapped to all 5 undo buttons on the 5 looper effects 8 - not mapped 9 - not mapped 10 - MIDI note 100 - mapped to main stop button in Ableton FCB 1010 Bank 3 Pedal 1 - MIDI note 101 - mapped to the play button on the first looper effect 2 - MIDI note 102 - mapped to the play button on the second looper effect 3 - MIDI note 103 - mapped to the play button on the third looper effect 4 - MIDI note 104 - mapped to the play button on the fourth looper effect 5 - MIDI note 105 - mapped to the main play button of Ableton 6 - MIDI note 106 - mapped to the stop button on the first looper effect 7 - MIDI note 107 - mapped to the stop button on the second looper effect 8 - MIDI note 108 - mapped to the stop button on the third looper effect 9 - MIDI note 109 - mapped to the stop button on the fourth looper effect 10 - MIDI note 100 - mapped to main stop button in Ableton
@olivergearing Thank you so very much. Wow, I really hope appreciate all of your help. I'm looking forward to completing the setup, and I'll let you know how it turns out!
Great video!!! I don’t know much about the FCB1010, but if it has the ability to toggle you can save yourself some buttons. Press once for start and press again to stop. 🤷🏽♂️
@@olivergearing you didn't explain if these are all audio tracks on the setup they were already renamed i know the keyboard was midi but what were all the other tracks.
@@christopherfarrington9270 Just look at the video. Where a track says "Audio In", it's an audio track. Where the track says "Midi In" it's a midi track! So, they're all audio tracks except the "Keys In" track which is Midi.
Hi ! Thank you for this video, that's really interesting ! I also have a FCB 1010 and try to reproduce your setup but it's not that easy to follow the mapping part. As you mentioned in previous comments, it would be really helpful if you could share a Google Drive link of your Ableton project ! And if you use FCB1010 manager to set up your midi controller, it would be quite interesting to have your .syx file too.
@olivergearing Thanks for your feedback, I think I have (more or less) managed to make it work but I'm still interested by your ableton project and fcb 1010 settings file. :)
Thanks for another great tutorial Ollie. I'm trying to get into Ableton after watching Sean Angus Watson and his amazing guitar tone and loops. I think he uses a Ditto X2, which is a lot simpler than Chewie 2.
Nice one! I think Sean Angus is a brilliant guitarist, and his guitar tone is just wonderful. Does the Ditto X2 work with Ableton, or does he use it as a standalone pedal?
@@olivergearing He uses it as a standalone pedal. Also have you already covered how to export a live looping session? Do I just create a new audio track and change the audio in to "master". Then arm the track and start recording. Will it pick up everything that I start playing in the order I do it?
Thats awesome! Whats the advantages of having the loop start and stop on playback rather than setting up the pedal to mute and unmute the channel? Surely being able to introduce the loop at beat 3 (if desired) would be better. I was also looking for a START / STOP toggle on one pedal for my setup; I found a MAX4Live device that switches between the two depending on what is currently happening in the session.
Thanks for the comment. Version 1 of my build started like this, with muting and unmuting to perform the stop/start process that Ed uses. The issue I found is that unless you have the metronome going in your ear, it is really easy to get out of time. But this approach would make it much more adaptable and flexible - as you say, bringing the beat back in on beat 3 would be nice! Thanks for the Max4Live suggestion - can you let me know which device and I’ll take a look!
Oliver this is an outstanding video and I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. Have you tried using a Novation Launchpad Pro and have all of the buttons laid out on the 8 x 8 grid. Not a foot controller but ????
This is a great idea, and could be a really useful alternative. You would probably need to use the controller in session view, and have the buttons control clips, but it could work really well!
This is a great idea, and could be a really useful alternative. You would probably need to use the controller in session view, and have the buttons control clips, but it could work really well!
Great tutorial, but why do I get so much latency? I'm using an old (2012) Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM and a MOTU Traveller (running on Firewire - hence still using old Macbook). I like syncopation, but the latency makes it sound sloppy compared to using a looper pedal. Could there be something I'm doing wrong? As far as I can tell I've set it up exactly as you did (including using an FCB1010). Is my system just too old? Also how do you set up 2 different notes on the FCB1010 to both trigger the stop on Ableton? Or have you set button 10 on bank 3 to D7 as well as button 10 on bank 2?
For the last part - yes - the same note on the 2 banks is how I do it. You can only have one note per trigger action in Ableton. I’m not an expert on the latency issue, but I would presume it isn’t helping the latency. Have you changed the buffer size and resolution in settings? Play around with these settings, maybe that will help?
@@olivergearing thanks for your prompt reply. I took the Motu Ultralite AVB out of my studio and the latency is so much better, although to get it really tight I need to set the looper inputs to the line in, rather than channel “guitar in” which means I can’t do the RC20 channel. I really like the functionality of the looper but it has one big disadvantage compared to recording loops in clips: I often use Live slaved to a live drummer so we can play as a band and throw loops in that are in time with us, rather than following a click. When the tempo changes it changes the pitch of loops in looper, while loops recorded into clips stay in pitch.
@@bakabeyond there are settings on the looper that will make it sync to your Ableton tempo, so it would be worth playing around with these to see if that helps your live set up!
This is absolutely excellent. I have tried about a dozen different ways to configure Ableton to do the Chewie II functionality, and like you, have come real close but never quite getting there. Ed's use of a "Mode" pedal to switch between Rec/Overdub/Play and Play/Stop functionality seems to elude us all. Your configuration gets as close as I have seen, or have been able to do myself, so far. You know your routing in Ableton well, which I am learning is key to make this stuff work as intended. So many ways to do this. Good work man! If Mobius ever gets compiled in 64-bit, everything will be easier/better. Have you tried the Max for Live live looper device by AbletonDrummer? That VST seems to be pretty close to what we want, but you have to have Max for Live, which I don't have in my Intro version. In the interim, I've been working on building my own MIDI control surface to do all of this exactly how I want. It uses a Teensy micro-controller, and I am programming it in the Arduino IDE. So far, I have got it working well as a MIDI note and CC send. The challenging part right now is figuring out how to implement the Ableton API to fetch status data from Ableton. Which as you have mentioned before, is useful to know what state tracks and loopers are in so that the control surface can make the right decisions about what commands to send. I have had some success with that. Still working on it. Will post any updates if I find something useful. I saw another video using another approach that you might find interesting. He created 4 Return tracks, and put the loopers inside those. Then used the sends on the various Audio and Instrument tracks to send signal to the loopers. Again, I hit a road block here with the Intro version of Ableton, which only allows a max of 2 Return tracks, uuuugggghh! Anyways, hope some of what I have been learning is useful. Thanks for creating this video.
Wow - a brilliant post from a knowledge source on this! Thank you for the thoughts and suggestions, I like the idea of an Ableton API - I’ve never heard of it! As for Mobius 64bit, I’ve had a few comments like this, so hopefully we get this done soon! Please come back and let us know how you’re getting on!
Ok, learning a lot from the video, using my PODHD500x as the midi controller no prob, fairly wise on using different banks and a different channel. But I still dont understand what the RC20 and Maser Looper Track does technically...more confused about the use of the RC20. Im good with all loopers reording and dubbing in unision. I just cant tell why I need both RC20 and Master Looper, did I miss what feeds into what?
Thanks - when I built it, I wanted to keep the controller track separate from the 4 loopers. I think when I tried it with the RC20 as the master, the muting and unmuting wasn’t as easy. If you can make it work, great!
Hello, thanks for the help. The best video on the internet about this subject. I have for some timed trying to do this with no success and with your help it was easy. Thanks. I only have one question if I may. I try to configure ableton so the loops record only on the first bit with no success. Can you help please? Best regards.
How are you getting around latency?? I always use direct monitoring on my interface to record with zero latency but this would not work for play back, or am I missing something?
The only track that is midi is the keyboard. All the others are audio - the inputs and loopers. The looper effect only works on audio tracks! Thanks for watching!
Hi! The main difference is that my model is based on Ableton Live, which uses a computer. I’ve tried to set it up to emulate Ed’s process as closely as possible. With Quantiloop, it looks like an iPad program. I haven’t used it, but it looks very programmable. So you probably could set up Ed’s process in Quantiloop, but I haven’t tried myself! I know it works in ableton!
Maybe, if you wanna have start stop on one pedal(each pedal gets it’s own track)you can make it to start and stop, I’m not sure if that works though, I’m not so into abelton but I’m guessing you didn’t do that as you can’t because I feel like you know abelton better
This is a great idea, and I started out trying to do something like this, but I think you would need the MIDI pedal to know whether the looper was playing or stopped, so it chose the right function! I appreciate the comment!
Hi Oliver , can I book you for a couple of hours to teach me 1 to 1 to help me understand this better? Happy to pay you at whatever your normal fees are . How can I contact you? Thanks, Eugene
Hey, thanks so much for asking. I'm a bit snowed with work at the moment, and fitting in these videos is challenging. Would it work if I scheduled a livestream, and you could ask all your questions during that?
good explanation except that there's no reference as to how to make Ableton to recognize the FCB pedal board as surface controller. Could elaborate on this? Better a video explaining the process would be great. Thx
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Thank you very much! I’m using Logic Live Loops and this really helped too
Great to hear! I hope you are having fun
Another thought about playback mode... Instead of mapping each Looper's start and stop buttons, I'm playing around with mapping the mute and solo buttons in Ableton's mixer for each Looper track. Jury is still out though.
This is a great idea. I tried this too, but found the timing really tricky. Using start/stop felt more intuitive, but I’d be really interested to hear if you can make the mute option work!
Great video Oliver! I think I may have a workaround for the playback mode and only using one-button. I'd love your feedback - I'm using the Nektar Pacer controller so may be a bit different than the FCB1010. On my controller, I can set my midi notes to come as a sequence in steps, rather than just 1x fixed note.
So, my thinking is that when in Playback Mode, I can set my footswitch #1 to sequence between 2x different midi notes in sequence. Then, I'll just map those to the respective Play / Stop buttons in the looper.
Where I'll need to be careful is making sure I map the first button press to "Stop" and the second to "Play" since when I'm in Playback Mode, the loopers should already be playing. The only problem I might foresee happening here is forgetting to "reset" the pedals at the beginning of the next song...as some might trigger "Play" in the next button sequence vs. starting on "Stop". Does that make sense? Let me know your thoughts, please!
I wonder what I might be overlooking here....
This is a great comment. I think this is definitely worth a try. I think your point on resetting at the beginning of each song is really important. I use BOME MIDI translator, so may be able to write a short script to do this - alternatively max for live could work!
This is a class tutorial. Really clever. Thanks a million.
That is so kind! I hope you are able to get the process working, please come back and let us know how it goes!
Thanks a lot for your amazing tutorial! Just used the ableton looper for the first time yesterday and i'm impressed how you leveled that thing up. Comes in handy that i already have an fcb1010 laying around :) looking forward to try that!
Those FCB 1010s are so useful! I’m currently recording some tracks and it is great to automate record/play/stop etc!
extremely helpful, thank you so much!
Really glad it helped you!
Using Max for live, you could write a script that would take your midi in and do different things based on whether the loop is playing or not.
That would solve your two buttons in playback mode problem.
Aaron, thank you so much for the suggestion. I have never got my head around max4live, so I will take this as a challenge to see what it can do!
Many thanks! Really brilliiant!
Thank you!
it's great Oliver!
Thanks!
Well done class setup thank you. Just wondering if you know how to stop the double press with my midi controller it’s driving me nuts 😂😂. My midi foot pedal set for cc for transport and need to press 3 times to stop and reset transport. Thank you 🙏
Thanks! Sounds like a classic MIDI foot switch problem. These things always seem to send more messages than you want them to. I have 3 potential suggestions: 1) buy BOME and use it as a filter - use the pedal to trigger then send exactly what you want through to your Ableton session. 2) check what exact messages the pedal is sending to Ableton - there might be more than one message. 3) check the settings in Ableton - make sure the the pedal is only set as ‘remote’ - maybe switch off ‘track’ and ‘sync’. If none of these work - sorry! It’s a bloody minefield!
I said it before, and I will say it again, you deserve more subs. Great content thank you 🙏
Thank you! I appreciate your continued support ❤️! Let me know if there are any loopers you want me to cover 👍👍
This is amazing! Thank you!
Great to hear! Thanks for the feedback
Nice one, very useful! I'm trying to setup looping in Ableton in a similar way, but with a mk1 Ableton Push instead of a pedal - a video on that would be great 👍
Thanks! I’m afraid I am a Push rookie, so I haven’t got the skills in that area!
Thanks for this. As a computer geek, I got into Ableton and Mobius because that's what I read he used under the hood. But I hit a wall when it came to Mobius scripting, which was needed for things like stopping and starting all the loops together. This solves that nicely.
Also, my FCB1010 came with the EurekaPROM chip instead of the stock one like you. I found that putting it into IO Mode and using Bome Midi Translator software to change the signals into something Ableton likes has been an invaluable, if not cheap, option.
Again, great video. Looking forward to trying it out tonight.
Brilliant, thanks for the feedback! I’ve never tried the mobius solution, so I appreciate hearing from someone who has used it! Let me know how it goes, and if you find any improvements!
@@olivergearing With the advent of the looper stock plugin, there really is no advantage to Mobius these days.
And as it's 32-bit, you need to use something like JBridge of 32 Lives! to get it to even work.
Which is why I was excited to see your solution.
Thanks for this knowledge! I can imagine that kind of setup would be really complex.
@@olivergearing, oh it is.
And I'm the kind of person who taught himself the Java programming language, for fun. =)
I remember teaching myself HTML for fun when creating websites was old school!
Cool video. To be clear and so that I understand, whenever a looper is recording they're all recording (i.e. adding layers) and all but one track is essentially layering "nothing"?
I think I missed the point of the master looper track. Could you explain?
That is exactly it. It means you can control all loopers as though they are one. It was necessary so the 4 loopers with audio were completely independent, but controlled in the same way.
Nice video. As far as the one button play and stop, I’m using a Nektar Pacer foot pedal, and in the settings you can have one button round robin up to 6 cc messages, so in theory when I set mine up I could have it cycle through two CC’s and assign one to start one to stop. See if your Behringer has that functionality, and if not maybe take the Nektar for a spin.
Thank you - great suggestion. I haven’t heard of that pedal so I’ll check it out!
fantastic video - thank you so much as I've struggled with ABLETON and looping but this is a great solution!
Thank you for the comment! Which foot controller do you use in your setup?
Hi Oliver , very useful video !! Thanks for that !!
I have question : is it possible to assign the same button to play and stop one looper ?? Like ed Sheeran …
Thanks
I think so. I think my setup does that - the loopers are independent, so they can stop / start independently.
I think the Playback mode mapping seems to be a bit off. Ed’s loop station behaves like a one-track looper but with the ability to overdub/mute on 8 separate “master” layers.
I think what you should’ve done on the Playback bank is to remap the buttons you used to play the 4 tracks into mute buttons. The Stop button becomes a global stop regardless of which mode, and you map a separate MIDI message for the Play button on the transport.
Idk it’s hard to explain through text only, and Ableton is very customizable. Whatever works for you will work:))
Thanks! Great feedback. I tried that first, but sometimes you want to start the loop in time before the beat, it it worked better for me that way! Thanks for the comment
Great work! I just got used to Quantiloop on iPad but for reliability I would prefere my Mac to loop live. I just started programming your settings to Ableton. This is amazing - thanks a lot. But what I don't get: What is the Master Loop for, exactly? It is connected to nothing, so it doesn't record or send anything. But Also it is being triggered by the Midi Buttons just like like all the 4 loop tracks in unison. So how does this track control anything else?
Well done! I really appreciate your clear presentation. Thanks!
Thanks for the comment, and I’m glad you found it clear! Take care
@@olivergearing Hi, I feel like I am (painfully!) close to completing the configuration of this set up with a Morningstar MC8 controller and Ableton. I am trying to reference and model your midi mapping however the full mapping is not available through the video. Can you make the full mapping available? I am having an issue mapping stop(?), also having a problem with echo (latency?) on all inputs and curious if there is a simple solution? Do you have a Patreon with more detailed info or are you available for paid video chat so that I can can shorten my learning curve??? Thanks and I appreciate your videos - super helpful!
Thank you! I haven't got a patreon I'm afraid, and am struggling a little with time at the moment. However, I can probably help a bit from here! Is the stop button the Looper effect stop, or the overall stop button for Ableton? Both of these want to have a MIDI note as their mapping device. Make sure your device is sending both 'note on' and 'note off' messages with each press - this is an error which I created when I used BOME to send only a note on message.
Full mapping:
FCB 1010 Bank 2
Pedal 1 - MIDI CC 91 - mapped to record arm the first looper track
2 - MIDI CC 92 - mapped to record arm the second looper track
3 - MIDI CC 93 - mapped to record arm the third looper track
4 - MIDI CC 94 - mapped to record arm the fourth looper track
5 - MIDI note 95 - mapped to all 5 Pedal/transport buttons on the 5 looper effects
6 - MIDI note 96 - mapped to all 5 clear buttons on the 5 looper effects
7 - MIDI note 97 - mapped to all 5 undo buttons on the 5 looper effects
8 - not mapped
9 - not mapped
10 - MIDI note 100 - mapped to main stop button in Ableton
FCB 1010 Bank 3
Pedal 1 - MIDI note 101 - mapped to the play button on the first looper effect
2 - MIDI note 102 - mapped to the play button on the second looper effect
3 - MIDI note 103 - mapped to the play button on the third looper effect
4 - MIDI note 104 - mapped to the play button on the fourth looper effect
5 - MIDI note 105 - mapped to the main play button of Ableton
6 - MIDI note 106 - mapped to the stop button on the first looper effect
7 - MIDI note 107 - mapped to the stop button on the second looper effect
8 - MIDI note 108 - mapped to the stop button on the third looper effect
9 - MIDI note 109 - mapped to the stop button on the fourth looper effect
10 - MIDI note 100 - mapped to main stop button in Ableton
@olivergearing Thank you so very much. Wow, I really hope appreciate all of your help. I'm looking forward to completing the setup, and I'll let you know how it turns out!
Great video!!!
I don’t know much about the FCB1010, but if it has the ability to toggle you can save yourself some buttons. Press once for start and press again to stop. 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you! I’ll try that!
@@olivergearing 👍🏽 keep us posted.
Excellent tutorial! Nice detail and explanation of each step in the process.
Thank you very much! Hope the set up works for you!
@@olivergearing you didn't explain if these are all audio tracks on the setup they were already renamed i know the keyboard was midi but what were all the other tracks.
@@christopherfarrington9270 Just look at the video. Where a track says "Audio In", it's an audio track. Where the track says "Midi In" it's a midi track! So, they're all audio tracks except the "Keys In" track which is Midi.
Hi ! Thank you for this video, that's really interesting !
I also have a FCB 1010 and try to reproduce your setup but it's not that easy to follow the mapping part. As you mentioned in previous comments, it would be really helpful if you could share a Google Drive link of your Ableton project ! And if you use FCB1010 manager to set up your midi controller, it would be quite interesting to have your .syx file too.
Sorry I haven’t got round to it yet!
@olivergearing Thanks for your feedback, I think I have (more or less) managed to make it work but I'm still interested by your ableton project and fcb 1010 settings file. :)
Thanks for another great tutorial Ollie. I'm trying to get into Ableton after watching Sean Angus Watson and his amazing guitar tone and loops. I think he uses a Ditto X2, which is a lot simpler than Chewie 2.
Nice one! I think Sean Angus is a brilliant guitarist, and his guitar tone is just wonderful. Does the Ditto X2 work with Ableton, or does he use it as a standalone pedal?
@@olivergearing He uses it as a standalone pedal. Also have you already covered how to export a live looping session? Do I just create a new audio track and change the audio in to "master". Then arm the track and start recording. Will it pick up everything that I start playing in the order I do it?
@@miniwinston6712 I don’t think I’ve covered this in detail, perhaps this would work well in a step by step livestream?
Hey, ive been dying to get in on the gatekeeped information on abletonslive preformance looping setups. Thanks a million
You are very welcome! I hope you get lots of ideas to use in your own setup!!
Thats awesome! Whats the advantages of having the loop start and stop on playback rather than setting up the pedal to mute and unmute the channel? Surely being able to introduce the loop at beat 3 (if desired) would be better.
I was also looking for a START / STOP toggle on one pedal for my setup; I found a MAX4Live device that switches between the two depending on what is currently happening in the session.
Thanks for the comment. Version 1 of my build started like this, with muting and unmuting to perform the stop/start process that Ed uses. The issue I found is that unless you have the metronome going in your ear, it is really easy to get out of time. But this approach would make it much more adaptable and flexible - as you say, bringing the beat back in on beat 3 would be nice!
Thanks for the Max4Live suggestion - can you let me know which device and I’ll take a look!
Thanks a lot for also sharings this inspiring loop-setup :)
Thank you! I find Ed Sheeran such an inspiring person, it has been a great process to try and emulate him!
Oliver this is an outstanding video and I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. Have you tried using a Novation Launchpad Pro and have all of the buttons laid out on the 8 x 8 grid. Not a foot controller but ????
This is a great idea, and could be a really useful alternative. You would probably need to use the controller in session view, and have the buttons control clips, but it could work really well!
This is a great idea, and could be a really useful alternative. You would probably need to use the controller in session view, and have the buttons control clips, but it could work really well!
How do you only have 1K subs, this is gold!
Great tutorial, but why do I get so much latency? I'm using an old (2012) Macbook Pro with 16Gb RAM and a MOTU Traveller (running on Firewire - hence still using old Macbook). I like syncopation, but the latency makes it sound sloppy compared to using a looper pedal. Could there be something I'm doing wrong? As far as I can tell I've set it up exactly as you did (including using an FCB1010). Is my system just too old?
Also how do you set up 2 different notes on the FCB1010 to both trigger the stop on Ableton? Or have you set button 10 on bank 3 to D7 as well as button 10 on bank 2?
For the last part - yes - the same note on the 2 banks is how I do it. You can only have one note per trigger action in Ableton. I’m not an expert on the latency issue, but I would presume it isn’t helping the latency. Have you changed the buffer size and resolution in settings? Play around with these settings, maybe that will help?
@@olivergearing thanks for your prompt reply. I took the Motu Ultralite AVB out of my studio and the latency is so much better, although to get it really tight I need to set the looper inputs to the line in, rather than channel “guitar in” which means I can’t do the RC20 channel.
I really like the functionality of the looper but it has one big disadvantage compared to recording loops in clips: I often use Live slaved to a live drummer so we can play as a band and throw loops in that are in time with us, rather than following a click. When the tempo changes it changes the pitch of loops in looper, while loops recorded into clips stay in pitch.
@@bakabeyond there are settings on the looper that will make it sync to your Ableton tempo, so it would be worth playing around with these to see if that helps your live set up!
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Thank you
Awesome video - thanks 😊
Thanks so much, appreciate the kind comment
This is absolutely excellent. I have tried about a dozen different ways to configure Ableton to do the Chewie II functionality, and like you, have come real close but never quite getting there. Ed's use of a "Mode" pedal to switch between Rec/Overdub/Play and Play/Stop functionality seems to elude us all. Your configuration gets as close as I have seen, or have been able to do myself, so far. You know your routing in Ableton well, which I am learning is key to make this stuff work as intended. So many ways to do this. Good work man! If Mobius ever gets compiled in 64-bit, everything will be easier/better. Have you tried the Max for Live live looper device by AbletonDrummer? That VST seems to be pretty close to what we want, but you have to have Max for Live, which I don't have in my Intro version. In the interim, I've been working on building my own MIDI control surface to do all of this exactly how I want. It uses a Teensy micro-controller, and I am programming it in the Arduino IDE. So far, I have got it working well as a MIDI note and CC send. The challenging part right now is figuring out how to implement the Ableton API to fetch status data from Ableton. Which as you have mentioned before, is useful to know what state tracks and loopers are in so that the control surface can make the right decisions about what commands to send. I have had some success with that. Still working on it. Will post any updates if I find something useful. I saw another video using another approach that you might find interesting. He created 4 Return tracks, and put the loopers inside those. Then used the sends on the various Audio and Instrument tracks to send signal to the loopers. Again, I hit a road block here with the Intro version of Ableton, which only allows a max of 2 Return tracks, uuuugggghh! Anyways, hope some of what I have been learning is useful. Thanks for creating this video.
Wow - a brilliant post from a knowledge source on this! Thank you for the thoughts and suggestions, I like the idea of an Ableton API - I’ve never heard of it! As for Mobius 64bit, I’ve had a few comments like this, so hopefully we get this done soon! Please come back and let us know how you’re getting on!
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What a lesson!!
Thanks mate
Ok, learning a lot from the video, using my PODHD500x as the midi controller no prob, fairly wise on using different banks and a different channel. But I still dont understand what the RC20 and Maser Looper Track does technically...more confused about the use of the RC20. Im good with all loopers reording and dubbing in unision. I just cant tell why I need both RC20 and Master Looper, did I miss what feeds into what?
to clarify...Why cant the RC20 run all of the looping?
Thanks - when I built it, I wanted to keep the controller track separate from the 4 loopers. I think when I tried it with the RC20 as the master, the muting and unmuting wasn’t as easy. If you can make it work, great!
Hello, thanks for the help. The best video on the internet about this subject. I have for some timed trying to do this with no success and with your help it was easy. Thanks. I only have one question if I may. I try to configure ableton so the loops record only on the first bit with no success. Can you help please? Best regards.
So kind - thank you so much!
Can you write a bit more about out the issue so I can help?
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How many times can I like the same video ?
Definitely 100… I’m sure!!!
I would love the project file if possible!
Thanks! I need to work out a solution to share files! Something like google drive!
How are you getting around latency?? I always use direct monitoring on my interface to record with zero latency but this would not work for play back, or am I missing something?
I normally font get too many issues with latency - I have a MacBook Pro from 2021, a behringer UMC 1820 interface, and it works really well.
can you please explain if these are audio tracks that are used in the setup i know the keyboard is midi but what are all the other tracks ?.
The others are audio - the guitar and vocals inputs are both audio. All the looper tracks are audio too
The only track that is midi is the keyboard. All the others are audio - the inputs and loopers. The looper effect only works on audio tracks! Thanks for watching!
@@olivergearing thanks for replying..
this is great! are you able to drop this file into to drive, please?
This is a really good idea. I’ll drop it onto a google drive and share the link in the description. Thanks
thank you @@olivergearing
Hey Oliver how does this compare to Quantiloop?
Hi! The main difference is that my model is based on Ableton Live, which uses a computer. I’ve tried to set it up to emulate Ed’s process as closely as possible. With Quantiloop, it looks like an iPad program. I haven’t used it, but it looks very programmable. So you probably could set up Ed’s process in Quantiloop, but I haven’t tried myself! I know it works in ableton!
GReat video, thanks...The background music is way to loud!
Thanks for the feedback
Using your setup, when I hit clear the song stops too. Does this happen for you too?
Yes - this is what Ed hits to end his songs, so it’s intentional, although I could see this might be annoying if you want the song to keep playing!
Maybe, if you wanna have start stop on one pedal(each pedal gets it’s own track)you can make it to start and stop, I’m not sure if that works though, I’m not so into abelton but I’m guessing you didn’t do that as you can’t because I feel like you know abelton better
This is a great idea, and I started out trying to do something like this, but I think you would need the MIDI pedal to know whether the looper was playing or stopped, so it chose the right function! I appreciate the comment!
Brilliant video but please put some shoes on 😂
Hahaha
How much money? In total...
Since this video, Ed’s released his own line of pedals, which are definitely cheaper than all my bits combined!
Hi Oliver , can I book you for a couple of hours to teach me 1 to 1 to help me understand this better? Happy to pay you at whatever your normal fees are . How can I contact you? Thanks, Eugene
Hey, thanks so much for asking. I'm a bit snowed with work at the moment, and fitting in these videos is challenging. Would it work if I scheduled a livestream, and you could ask all your questions during that?
good explanation except that there's no reference as to how to make Ableton to recognize the FCB pedal board as surface controller. Could elaborate on this? Better a video explaining the process would be great. Thx
Thank you, I’ll put this on the list to make
I absolutely agree. I am also stuck at getting Ableton to recognize the FCB1010 as a surface controller.
Your background music is distracting
I agree! One to learn from
The content is good - no music needed!
Should've left the background music away...it's pretty annoying. Otherwise a great video
Thanks for the feedback! It’s my one regret for this video
who is ed sheeren? sorry, is he a loop master?
He’s a pretty good guy really! LOL
The music in this video is annoying . To loud and disturbing. What is wrong with just your voice…..
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll be recreating and updating this video soon, so will take this point onboard.