Ps sorry, the slide should’ve said “Satisfied + Very Satisfied” (not strongly satisfied) - that was a typo. In hindsight, I should’ve also shown the proportion of players who were “neutral” (i.e., indifferent). Was in a rush to make this in the morning lol
unfortunately we are past that point thanks to a plethora of ridiculous F(r)iend support that have been released since. It is more likely that Unchained will get further hit due to collateral damage in the future.
@@naiyar3573 I partially agree. Yes, you can (and should) be opt for board-breaking vs Unchained since handtraps were not really effective against them. However, the mini game of "do you have an out to my Caesar" is still very annoying, as very few decks (and they still need to open non-duplicate gas) can play through Caesar's negate twice. I think that format would have been perfect if Caesar wasn't a thing.
Content creators dont talk about it, but that short window in January 2024 right before Snake eyes came out in Feb was so diverse and balanced was the most fair format I've played in years. It lasted all but one month unfortunetly.
I like this because a lot of creators have selective memory and act like tear format was really loved. Most players hated it, maybe right at the extreme top end of competition it was enjoyed, but locals turnout was incredibly low and lots of people left the game We also have creators doing the same thing now acting like the format isnt that bad. Maybe for a very select few thats true but over 90% of people arent enjoying the game
I am sure Konami would know the attendance numbers since OTS needs to input the number of players registered for every event. Same thing for my locals, the attendance is super low even though we have free tournaments
This is probably one of your best videos and the best use of the surveys you do. Make sure to keep doing these types of surveys to compare formats in hindsight!
It's still wild that the format with the most satisfaction had the biggest voices complaining that it was too diverse and the "worst" format at the time.
The people complaining about a diverse format were probably less than 1% of 1% of the player base. That is such a weird stupid thing to complain about and tier 0 formats usually only benefit pro players and people who can afford a 1200 dollar tier 0 deck. Diverse formats are literally always better.
@@gubigubigubigubi For sure it was a small amount. The problem was that it had many large content creators entertaining the topic. The one time we could've had a the biggest voices stand up for the community and say that this is what we wanted... they chose complain in the complete other direction. Then Bonfire came out... and the rest was history.
It was Literally just the 1% complaining thr problem was that they had a louder voice than the rest of the community which made it seem like everyone hated it
The one month after Isolde banlist January the first, until the Poplar set could be a great format, but one month isn't enough to develop a Format... And can we give Kashtira the best tier 0 format. It's was a tier 0, and was good. Let's be real Arise pass feels like good yugioh, if wasn't for shifter at 3 would be a very good maybe great format.
Houston had 254 players which is unusually low. To make things worse, the host were super strict about having 2 binders out at a time, and people couldn’t sell cards in the mall food court as they would be threatened with a ban 😂😂😂 we need a ban list 😢
Alright next time someone says the format is "too diverse" i vote we don't give them any attention; no likes, no comments, no views, nothing. Let that opinion fall on deaf ears.
Snake eyes got old very fast and the ocg keeps supporting them, while we know the tcg won't kill the deck and the engine because they need to sell future support, which annoys us. I'd ban flamberge and original but we will be lucky if we get one of these.
It's so funny to me seeing that Kashtira format was enjoyed more than Tear format. Most yugitubers will say that Tear was the greatest format in recent years but personally I hated it so much. Kashtira was an extremely toxic deck but had plenty of counterplay atleast.
The past two years since I picked up the game again has been a roller coaster of tier 0 strategies/ formats back to back. I know Konami needs to make money, but its stragetgy of banning old cards just to print and sell more broken cards over and over again is so exhausting. They've been doing this since edison format and it gotten much worse lately. I'd hate to take another 10 year hiatus again but I can barely keep up with it anymore, psychologically and monetarily.
@@Alex-Omega agree, but I'm mostly a digimon player who plays ygo because their partner is really into it rn. Nobody should be able to win on the first turn. I play gimmick puppet so maybe I shouldn't be talking, but I enjoy giving those guys who played 300 bucks for a playset of fiendsmith what-for, yknow? Anyways there needs to be either a huge rules change or a yugioh 2
I believe the ocg imports for machine deck are unacceptable slow and coming too late. Abc support and ancient gear statue should have arrived in the TCG already. Like wise the banning of certain card like shifter
I remember that like yesterday! Essentially just before the pandemic (but also picked up again later when dogmatika came out in 2020). A lot of people were crying about Winda back then though haha
Honestly this format is just as bad, if not worse than Gouki Extra Link Format which for me is the lowest point in the game's history, followed closely by March 2012. I expect July-Aug 2024 to appear at the top of many "Worst Format" Tier lists when it's all said and done.
What's created the dissatisfaction is that previously all decks were their own archetypes. Now we have transitioned to a game style where you'll have your deck's archetype, but then all the "meta" / "top competing" stuff will have the same overpowered engine. E.g. how all the top decks have chucked fiendsmith in. This results in you being forced to purchase whatever is new to compete and when playing against people, even if you play against different archetypes, you'll lose against the "secondary engine" anyway. Arguably, the secondary engine is stronger than the first/ archetype of the deck. We need to go back to decks being their own thing
Well to be fair I would say generic engine has definitely been around Yugioh for a lot longer than what you are implying. But still, I agree that I would prefer Konami to push new decks that are sort of like Branded or Dragon Link in the sense that engine cards take up most of the deck count
Great job. I'd assume that the raw numbers for satisfaction are a bit low, because ppl love to complain. It would otherwise be weird that nobody seems to enjoy playing the game they spend a lot of time and money on. Maybe it would make more sense to show the relative number, instead?
I started playing with people other than my girlfriend and master duel randoms during this format. My first locals was like 33% snake eyes, miserable experience. Coming into this format as a returning player, even with a pretty good idea of the type of game modern yugioh is... i can't imagine a new player trying. I felt really bad for the guy who came in with his casual dark magician deck the other week. Looked like he had his soul sucked out of his body by round 3. Anyways I picked up gimmick puppets so now i have a pretty good time at locals because only spend a small percentage of that playing yugioh 😂
I feel ya, I remember returning to this game for the first time in 8 years and it was some Dark Warrior FTK format lmao. Can really put off new players!
Mathmech got ONE format where it was considered tier one, and even then it had a poor matchup vs Kash and Tear, and THEN the Bystials arrived and wiped it off the chart, BEFORE the Circular ban. Mathmech got done dirty :(
I hate to say this but, is there any more detailed data? Not only is the metric really loose but the cadence chosen of the months doesn't really correspond to the formats very well and that creates some weird mid-format points or some points that cover two formats
I wanna be clear that the video is REALLY informative but it's a really interesting topic that gets kinda fucked by konami scheduling, compounding the fact that it's by its nature something you can't find overly concrete data on
Great point! So these questions were from the ban list prediction survey, so they were never the primary questions so I only had simple data to work with (also, as much as I wanted to ask more questions, I need to keep my surveys brief so that people don't get too tired responding to them). In terms of the time points, I usually share the ban list prediction survey within about a month of when I think the list would come out. Sadly, it is obviously a total guess so it may not work out well. Again, the data was never collected for the intention of creating this kind of video, but rather, it was something I could salvage out of the responses I already had haha
@@thekittenfreakify bro if you weren’t playing tear you weren’t winning. Period. In this format you at least have yubel, rescue ace, tenpai and a few others. If you think that’s the same as tear format then you should get your memory checked.
@@balther10 In Ishizu tear format you also had other options in Spright, floo and Runick stun. It was play either Shifter or 12 Bystials turbo but imo that's practically the same as this format
my locals for SE format started with about 20-25 players 10 of them playing SE now its maybe 15 people on good days with max 2 SE players noone wants to see this deck anymore unlike tear format it is not very interactive and unlike kash format the board doesnt die to 2 outs
That's exactly why Tenpai has been doing really well arguably the 2nd best deck since its release and definitely was near that $1000 threshold that, according to you and everyone else complaining, is minimum enough to actually play the game.
@@jtalkalot19 not t1, but gimmick puppet is also really cheap rn. The only card that's more than a few bucks is scissor arms and you can run it anywhere from 1-3
Unpopular opinion here, but im satisfied with our current format. You got our big 3 and a decent number of capable rogue decks. Even though everyone is sick of snake-eyes. This is how i believe most formats should be. I actually don't like extremely diverse formats, despite me only playing rogue decks.
@Ragnarok540 currently Musket Fiendsmith, Centurion, Mikanko and white woods feat. Toys and sinful spoils. I have a regional on Saturday so under current list I'll most likely be taking Musket there for it.
@@jtalkalot19musket fiendsmith has me so torn. I play pure musket on master duel so seeing them get used makes me so happy but they're so secondary to fiendsmith engine it feels... bad.
@@soogymoogi I think both work together very well. I know people aren't particularly happy because it uses the current best engine. But I wouldn't be playing Musket in 2024 without them. They'll be collecting dust in binder of mine.
Ps sorry, the slide should’ve said “Satisfied + Very Satisfied” (not strongly satisfied) - that was a typo. In hindsight, I should’ve also shown the proportion of players who were “neutral” (i.e., indifferent). Was in a rush to make this in the morning lol
How did u source the db data
Unchained format with the highest satisfaction 😢 good old time sharvara back to 3
Because the best deck was not only incredibly designed and skillful, but also didn’t create the craziest board so others could interact
Sharvara it's a common, and Konami hates budget players.
Also the "pros" complaining cus the format was too wide, that was so annoying when the format was the best its been in years
unfortunately we are past that point thanks to a plethora of ridiculous F(r)iend support that have been released since. It is more likely that Unchained will get further hit due to collateral damage in the future.
@@naiyar3573 I partially agree. Yes, you can (and should) be opt for board-breaking vs Unchained since handtraps were not really effective against them. However, the mini game of "do you have an out to my Caesar" is still very annoying, as very few decks (and they still need to open non-duplicate gas) can play through Caesar's negate twice.
I think that format would have been perfect if Caesar wasn't a thing.
Remember in Jan when content creators and pro players were debating whether the diverse meta is competitive or not? I'd sure want to go back in time
Haha I personally like diverse formats, but that's also because I'm no pro that would top YCS events :P
Content creators dont talk about it, but that short window in January 2024 right before Snake eyes came out in Feb was so diverse and balanced was the most fair format I've played in years. It lasted all but one month unfortunetly.
I like this because a lot of creators have selective memory and act like tear format was really loved. Most players hated it, maybe right at the extreme top end of competition it was enjoyed, but locals turnout was incredibly low and lots of people left the game
We also have creators doing the same thing now acting like the format isnt that bad. Maybe for a very select few thats true but over 90% of people arent enjoying the game
Our locals attendees was always 40-45 players !!
Currently it’s 10-15 😮😮
Numbers don’t lie
I am sure Konami would know the attendance numbers since OTS needs to input the number of players registered for every event. Same thing for my locals, the attendance is super low even though we have free tournaments
This is probably one of your best videos and the best use of the surveys you do. Make sure to keep doing these types of surveys to compare formats in hindsight!
Haha aw thank you!!
Houston regional turnout was lower than normal we usually get 500 plus easy, we only had 250 yesterday
It's still wild that the format with the most satisfaction had the biggest voices complaining that it was too diverse and the "worst" format at the time.
I like diverse formats :D
The people complaining about a diverse format were probably less than 1% of 1% of the player base.
That is such a weird stupid thing to complain about and tier 0 formats usually only benefit pro players and people who can afford a 1200 dollar tier 0 deck.
Diverse formats are literally always better.
@@gubigubigubigubi For sure it was a small amount. The problem was that it had many large content creators entertaining the topic. The one time we could've had a the biggest voices stand up for the community and say that this is what we wanted... they chose complain in the complete other direction. Then Bonfire came out... and the rest was history.
It was Literally just the 1% complaining thr problem was that they had a louder voice than the rest of the community which made it seem like everyone hated it
It's almost as if they were trying to play the market.
The one month after Isolde banlist January the first, until the Poplar set could be a great format, but one month isn't enough to develop a Format...
And can we give Kashtira the best tier 0 format. It's was a tier 0, and was good. Let's be real Arise pass feels like good yugioh, if wasn't for shifter at 3 would be a very good maybe great format.
Houston had 254 players which is unusually low. To make things worse, the host were super strict about having 2 binders out at a time, and people couldn’t sell cards in the mall food court as they would be threatened with a ban 😂😂😂 we need a ban list 😢
No selling is a universal rule. The vendors need to have a reason to show up.
@@RoyaltonDrummer922 but in the food court of the mall? As well as parking lot was prohibited lol
The game went from being in one of the best healthiest formats of all time to one of the worst.
Alright next time someone says the format is "too diverse" i vote we don't give them any attention; no likes, no comments, no views, nothing. Let that opinion fall on deaf ears.
Snake eyes got old very fast and the ocg keeps supporting them, while we know the tcg won't kill the deck and the engine because they need to sell future support, which annoys us. I'd ban flamberge and original but we will be lucky if we get one of these.
Let's hope for the best!
It's so funny to me seeing that Kashtira format was enjoyed more than Tear format. Most yugitubers will say that Tear was the greatest format in recent years but personally I hated it so much. Kashtira was an extremely toxic deck but had plenty of counterplay atleast.
While I hated the banish facedown mechanic, Kashtira at least felt beatable for sure with a lot of different cards. Unless they had Shifter of course
Friday was literally the perfect day to drop the banlist, there’s no way they’re making us wait even longer
Pretty confident they'll drop the banlist on the 31st since that's what Konami always do
I was hoping it would come early week, and Saturday at the latest. Let's hope for Monday!
@@HakunaMyData hoping for Monday too, anything longer is torture 😭
@@zaksharmanno they don’t
Tomorrow my friend
The past two years since I picked up the game again has been a roller coaster of tier 0 strategies/ formats back to back. I know Konami needs to make money, but its stragetgy of banning old cards just to print and sell more broken cards over and over again is so exhausting. They've been doing this since edison format and it gotten much worse lately. I'd hate to take another 10 year hiatus again but I can barely keep up with it anymore, psychologically and monetarily.
Aw I understand. We definitely have two tier zero formats in the span of less than 2 years, which really isn't good
Its not the format. The entire game itself is absurd in its core
@@Alex-Omega agree, but I'm mostly a digimon player who plays ygo because their partner is really into it rn.
Nobody should be able to win on the first turn. I play gimmick puppet so maybe I shouldn't be talking, but I enjoy giving those guys who played 300 bucks for a playset of fiendsmith what-for, yknow?
Anyways there needs to be either a huge rules change or a yugioh 2
So ppl really didn't like tear format :(
anyway, damn those are low numbers, that banlist better be goooooood
I believe the ocg imports for machine deck are unacceptable slow and coming too late. Abc support and ancient gear statue should have arrived in the TCG already. Like wise the banning of certain card like shifter
I just want Cyber Dragon support
Wonder what satisfaction was like back in shaddoll/Invoked/Dogmatika format back in 2019/20. That was a good time for Yugioh
I remember that like yesterday! Essentially just before the pandemic (but also picked up again later when dogmatika came out in 2020). A lot of people were crying about Winda back then though haha
Honestly this format is just as bad, if not worse than Gouki Extra Link Format which for me is the lowest point in the game's history, followed closely by March 2012. I expect July-Aug 2024 to appear at the top of many "Worst Format" Tier lists when it's all said and done.
What's created the dissatisfaction is that previously all decks were their own archetypes. Now we have transitioned to a game style where you'll have your deck's archetype, but then all the "meta" / "top competing" stuff will have the same overpowered engine. E.g. how all the top decks have chucked fiendsmith in.
This results in you being forced to purchase whatever is new to compete and when playing against people, even if you play against different archetypes, you'll lose against the "secondary engine" anyway. Arguably, the secondary engine is stronger than the first/ archetype of the deck.
We need to go back to decks being their own thing
Well to be fair I would say generic engine has definitely been around Yugioh for a lot longer than what you are implying. But still, I agree that I would prefer Konami to push new decks that are sort of like Branded or Dragon Link in the sense that engine cards take up most of the deck count
Great job.
I'd assume that the raw numbers for satisfaction are a bit low, because ppl love to complain.
It would otherwise be weird that nobody seems to enjoy playing the game they spend a lot of time and money on.
Maybe it would make more sense to show the relative number, instead?
...you do know people stop spending money if they hate the formst right?
@@thekittenfreakify You say that but at least in our area not. The internet is usually way more negative than real life.
I started playing with people other than my girlfriend and master duel randoms during this format. My first locals was like 33% snake eyes, miserable experience. Coming into this format as a returning player, even with a pretty good idea of the type of game modern yugioh is... i can't imagine a new player trying. I felt really bad for the guy who came in with his casual dark magician deck the other week. Looked like he had his soul sucked out of his body by round 3.
Anyways I picked up gimmick puppets so now i have a pretty good time at locals because only spend a small percentage of that playing yugioh 😂
I feel ya, I remember returning to this game for the first time in 8 years and it was some Dark Warrior FTK format lmao. Can really put off new players!
Mathmech got ONE format where it was considered tier one, and even then it had a poor matchup vs Kash and Tear, and THEN the Bystials arrived and wiped it off the chart, BEFORE the Circular ban. Mathmech got done dirty :(
It was a budget option, and konami doesn't like those.
Haha maybe one day it will come back
I hope they release some stuff from the list to bring more decks to the game.
I hate to say this but, is there any more detailed data? Not only is the metric really loose but the cadence chosen of the months doesn't really correspond to the formats very well and that creates some weird mid-format points or some points that cover two formats
I wanna be clear that the video is REALLY informative but it's a really interesting topic that gets kinda fucked by konami scheduling, compounding the fact that it's by its nature something you can't find overly concrete data on
Great point! So these questions were from the ban list prediction survey, so they were never the primary questions so I only had simple data to work with (also, as much as I wanted to ask more questions, I need to keep my surveys brief so that people don't get too tired responding to them).
In terms of the time points, I usually share the ban list prediction survey within about a month of when I think the list would come out. Sadly, it is obviously a total guess so it may not work out well. Again, the data was never collected for the intention of creating this kind of video, but rather, it was something I could salvage out of the responses I already had haha
Anyway these surveys can be reposted to anywhere else but X?
Tear format was worse. That was a true tier zero format. Now we just throw the term around for everything
no not really the damn snake-eyes engine earned the title too.
@@thekittenfreakify bro if you weren’t playing tear you weren’t winning. Period. In this format you at least have yubel, rescue ace, tenpai and a few others. If you think that’s the same as tear format then you should get your memory checked.
@@balther10 In Ishizu tear format you also had other options in Spright, floo and Runick stun. It was play either Shifter or 12 Bystials turbo but imo that's practically the same as this format
@@actrose4272 you should look up the deck diversity charts during tear format
Excelent video
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
my locals for SE format started with about 20-25 players 10 of them playing SE now its maybe 15 people on good days with max 2 SE players noone wants to see this deck anymore unlike tear format it is not very interactive and unlike kash format the board doesnt die to 2 outs
Ya, definitely seeing a big decline of players in my area too
The entire year of 2024 basically has been "Pay us 1000 dollars or you don't get to play yu gi oh"
That's exactly why Tenpai has been doing really well arguably the 2nd best deck since its release and definitely was near that $1000 threshold that, according to you and everyone else complaining, is minimum enough to actually play the game.
@@jtalkalot19 not t1, but gimmick puppet is also really cheap rn. The only card that's more than a few bucks is scissor arms and you can run it anywhere from 1-3
I love this format ❤
Lmao not many of you!
Konami bring back sharvara to 3 and my life is yours
LMAO stay in school bruh ;)
My satisfaction level went down when Level Eater was banned. Leave my little guy alone 😢
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Unpopular opinion here, but im satisfied with our current format. You got our big 3 and a decent number of capable rogue decks. Even though everyone is sick of snake-eyes. This is how i believe most formats should be. I actually don't like extremely diverse formats, despite me only playing rogue decks.
what rogue decks do you play?
@Ragnarok540 currently Musket Fiendsmith, Centurion, Mikanko and white woods feat. Toys and sinful spoils. I have a regional on Saturday so under current list I'll most likely be taking Musket there for it.
@@jtalkalot19musket fiendsmith has me so torn. I play pure musket on master duel so seeing them get used makes me so happy but they're so secondary to fiendsmith engine it feels... bad.
@@soogymoogi I think both work together very well. I know people aren't particularly happy because it uses the current best engine. But I wouldn't be playing Musket in 2024 without them. They'll be collecting dust in binder of mine.
@@jtalkalot19 fair enough, I'd rather people play musket than forget it exists. Maybe the attention will get it more support