“I Hate This Format” - How YUGIOH Players Feel About the Format | 2022 - 2024 | Survey Data

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  • @HakunaMyData
    @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ps sorry, the slide should’ve said “Satisfied + Very Satisfied” (not strongly satisfied) - that was a typo. In hindsight, I should’ve also shown the proportion of players who were “neutral” (i.e., indifferent). Was in a rush to make this in the morning lol

    • @pablepablo2321
      @pablepablo2321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How did u source the db data

  • @anbu_fear8901
    @anbu_fear8901 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Unchained format with the highest satisfaction 😢 good old time sharvara back to 3

    • @naiyar3573
      @naiyar3573 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Because the best deck was not only incredibly designed and skillful, but also didn’t create the craziest board so others could interact

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Sharvara it's a common, and Konami hates budget players.

    • @moipessoa7145
      @moipessoa7145 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Also the "pros" complaining cus the format was too wide, that was so annoying when the format was the best its been in years

    • @Avermra
      @Avermra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      unfortunately we are past that point thanks to a plethora of ridiculous F(r)iend support that have been released since. It is more likely that Unchained will get further hit due to collateral damage in the future.

    • @Avermra
      @Avermra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@naiyar3573 I partially agree. Yes, you can (and should) be opt for board-breaking vs Unchained since handtraps were not really effective against them. However, the mini game of "do you have an out to my Caesar" is still very annoying, as very few decks (and they still need to open non-duplicate gas) can play through Caesar's negate twice.
      I think that format would have been perfect if Caesar wasn't a thing.

  • @rangeless
    @rangeless 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Remember in Jan when content creators and pro players were debating whether the diverse meta is competitive or not? I'd sure want to go back in time

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Haha I personally like diverse formats, but that's also because I'm no pro that would top YCS events :P

    • @optimusprime6436
      @optimusprime6436 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Content creators dont talk about it, but that short window in January 2024 right before Snake eyes came out in Feb was so diverse and balanced was the most fair format I've played in years. It lasted all but one month unfortunetly.

  • @KingFabz
    @KingFabz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I like this because a lot of creators have selective memory and act like tear format was really loved. Most players hated it, maybe right at the extreme top end of competition it was enjoyed, but locals turnout was incredibly low and lots of people left the game
    We also have creators doing the same thing now acting like the format isnt that bad. Maybe for a very select few thats true but over 90% of people arent enjoying the game

  • @ivanZ.4
    @ivanZ.4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Our locals attendees was always 40-45 players !!
    Currently it’s 10-15 😮😮
    Numbers don’t lie

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I am sure Konami would know the attendance numbers since OTS needs to input the number of players registered for every event. Same thing for my locals, the attendance is super low even though we have free tournaments

  • @zirconpetrichor5519
    @zirconpetrichor5519 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is probably one of your best videos and the best use of the surveys you do. Make sure to keep doing these types of surveys to compare formats in hindsight!

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha aw thank you!!

  • @MaliEndz
    @MaliEndz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Houston regional turnout was lower than normal we usually get 500 plus easy, we only had 250 yesterday

  • @Pasicho
    @Pasicho 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    It's still wild that the format with the most satisfaction had the biggest voices complaining that it was too diverse and the "worst" format at the time.

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I like diverse formats :D

    • @gubigubigubigubi
      @gubigubigubigubi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      The people complaining about a diverse format were probably less than 1% of 1% of the player base.
      That is such a weird stupid thing to complain about and tier 0 formats usually only benefit pro players and people who can afford a 1200 dollar tier 0 deck.
      Diverse formats are literally always better.

    • @Pasicho
      @Pasicho 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@gubigubigubigubi For sure it was a small amount. The problem was that it had many large content creators entertaining the topic. The one time we could've had a the biggest voices stand up for the community and say that this is what we wanted... they chose complain in the complete other direction. Then Bonfire came out... and the rest was history.

    • @phoenix5095
      @phoenix5095 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It was Literally just the 1% complaining thr problem was that they had a louder voice than the rest of the community which made it seem like everyone hated it

    • @thekittenfreakify
      @thekittenfreakify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's almost as if they were trying to play the market.

  • @vitorapollinario9335
    @vitorapollinario9335 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The one month after Isolde banlist January the first, until the Poplar set could be a great format, but one month isn't enough to develop a Format...
    And can we give Kashtira the best tier 0 format. It's was a tier 0, and was good. Let's be real Arise pass feels like good yugioh, if wasn't for shifter at 3 would be a very good maybe great format.

  • @radicalsprites
    @radicalsprites 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Houston had 254 players which is unusually low. To make things worse, the host were super strict about having 2 binders out at a time, and people couldn’t sell cards in the mall food court as they would be threatened with a ban 😂😂😂 we need a ban list 😢

    • @RoyaltonDrummer922
      @RoyaltonDrummer922 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No selling is a universal rule. The vendors need to have a reason to show up.

    • @radicalsprites
      @radicalsprites 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@RoyaltonDrummer922 but in the food court of the mall? As well as parking lot was prohibited lol

  • @HotRed00
    @HotRed00 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The game went from being in one of the best healthiest formats of all time to one of the worst.

  • @sketter1775
    @sketter1775 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Alright next time someone says the format is "too diverse" i vote we don't give them any attention; no likes, no comments, no views, nothing. Let that opinion fall on deaf ears.

  • @rafflesiaandfriends
    @rafflesiaandfriends 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Snake eyes got old very fast and the ocg keeps supporting them, while we know the tcg won't kill the deck and the engine because they need to sell future support, which annoys us. I'd ban flamberge and original but we will be lucky if we get one of these.

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Let's hope for the best!

  • @fanix92
    @fanix92 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's so funny to me seeing that Kashtira format was enjoyed more than Tear format. Most yugitubers will say that Tear was the greatest format in recent years but personally I hated it so much. Kashtira was an extremely toxic deck but had plenty of counterplay atleast.

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      While I hated the banish facedown mechanic, Kashtira at least felt beatable for sure with a lot of different cards. Unless they had Shifter of course

  • @naiyar3573
    @naiyar3573 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Friday was literally the perfect day to drop the banlist, there’s no way they’re making us wait even longer

    • @zaksharman
      @zaksharman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Pretty confident they'll drop the banlist on the 31st since that's what Konami always do

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I was hoping it would come early week, and Saturday at the latest. Let's hope for Monday!

    • @naiyar3573
      @naiyar3573 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HakunaMyData hoping for Monday too, anything longer is torture 😭

    • @RoyaltonDrummer922
      @RoyaltonDrummer922 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zaksharmanno they don’t

    • @Alex-Omega
      @Alex-Omega 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tomorrow my friend

  • @optimusprime6436
    @optimusprime6436 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The past two years since I picked up the game again has been a roller coaster of tier 0 strategies/ formats back to back. I know Konami needs to make money, but its stragetgy of banning old cards just to print and sell more broken cards over and over again is so exhausting. They've been doing this since edison format and it gotten much worse lately. I'd hate to take another 10 year hiatus again but I can barely keep up with it anymore, psychologically and monetarily.

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aw I understand. We definitely have two tier zero formats in the span of less than 2 years, which really isn't good

  • @Alex-Omega
    @Alex-Omega 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Its not the format. The entire game itself is absurd in its core

    • @soogymoogi
      @soogymoogi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Alex-Omega agree, but I'm mostly a digimon player who plays ygo because their partner is really into it rn.
      Nobody should be able to win on the first turn. I play gimmick puppet so maybe I shouldn't be talking, but I enjoy giving those guys who played 300 bucks for a playset of fiendsmith what-for, yknow?
      Anyways there needs to be either a huge rules change or a yugioh 2

  • @Dwerynith
    @Dwerynith 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    So ppl really didn't like tear format :(
    anyway, damn those are low numbers, that banlist better be goooooood

  • @akiljoseph5595
    @akiljoseph5595 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I believe the ocg imports for machine deck are unacceptable slow and coming too late. Abc support and ancient gear statue should have arrived in the TCG already. Like wise the banning of certain card like shifter

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I just want Cyber Dragon support

  • @yugiohtcgsa9720
    @yugiohtcgsa9720 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wonder what satisfaction was like back in shaddoll/Invoked/Dogmatika format back in 2019/20. That was a good time for Yugioh

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I remember that like yesterday! Essentially just before the pandemic (but also picked up again later when dogmatika came out in 2020). A lot of people were crying about Winda back then though haha

  • @ObeliskTGS
    @ObeliskTGS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Honestly this format is just as bad, if not worse than Gouki Extra Link Format which for me is the lowest point in the game's history, followed closely by March 2012. I expect July-Aug 2024 to appear at the top of many "Worst Format" Tier lists when it's all said and done.

  • @Cals.Journey
    @Cals.Journey 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What's created the dissatisfaction is that previously all decks were their own archetypes. Now we have transitioned to a game style where you'll have your deck's archetype, but then all the "meta" / "top competing" stuff will have the same overpowered engine. E.g. how all the top decks have chucked fiendsmith in.
    This results in you being forced to purchase whatever is new to compete and when playing against people, even if you play against different archetypes, you'll lose against the "secondary engine" anyway. Arguably, the secondary engine is stronger than the first/ archetype of the deck.
    We need to go back to decks being their own thing

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well to be fair I would say generic engine has definitely been around Yugioh for a lot longer than what you are implying. But still, I agree that I would prefer Konami to push new decks that are sort of like Branded or Dragon Link in the sense that engine cards take up most of the deck count

  • @d.r.6177
    @d.r.6177 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great job.
    I'd assume that the raw numbers for satisfaction are a bit low, because ppl love to complain.
    It would otherwise be weird that nobody seems to enjoy playing the game they spend a lot of time and money on.
    Maybe it would make more sense to show the relative number, instead?

    • @thekittenfreakify
      @thekittenfreakify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ...you do know people stop spending money if they hate the formst right?

    • @d.r.6177
      @d.r.6177 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thekittenfreakify You say that but at least in our area not. The internet is usually way more negative than real life.

  • @soogymoogi
    @soogymoogi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I started playing with people other than my girlfriend and master duel randoms during this format. My first locals was like 33% snake eyes, miserable experience. Coming into this format as a returning player, even with a pretty good idea of the type of game modern yugioh is... i can't imagine a new player trying. I felt really bad for the guy who came in with his casual dark magician deck the other week. Looked like he had his soul sucked out of his body by round 3.
    Anyways I picked up gimmick puppets so now i have a pretty good time at locals because only spend a small percentage of that playing yugioh 😂

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I feel ya, I remember returning to this game for the first time in 8 years and it was some Dark Warrior FTK format lmao. Can really put off new players!

  • @Ph0mega
    @Ph0mega 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mathmech got ONE format where it was considered tier one, and even then it had a poor matchup vs Kash and Tear, and THEN the Bystials arrived and wiped it off the chart, BEFORE the Circular ban. Mathmech got done dirty :(

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was a budget option, and konami doesn't like those.

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha maybe one day it will come back

  • @thekittenfreakify
    @thekittenfreakify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope they release some stuff from the list to bring more decks to the game.

  • @eridani41763
    @eridani41763 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hate to say this but, is there any more detailed data? Not only is the metric really loose but the cadence chosen of the months doesn't really correspond to the formats very well and that creates some weird mid-format points or some points that cover two formats

    • @eridani41763
      @eridani41763 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wanna be clear that the video is REALLY informative but it's a really interesting topic that gets kinda fucked by konami scheduling, compounding the fact that it's by its nature something you can't find overly concrete data on

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Great point! So these questions were from the ban list prediction survey, so they were never the primary questions so I only had simple data to work with (also, as much as I wanted to ask more questions, I need to keep my surveys brief so that people don't get too tired responding to them).
      In terms of the time points, I usually share the ban list prediction survey within about a month of when I think the list would come out. Sadly, it is obviously a total guess so it may not work out well. Again, the data was never collected for the intention of creating this kind of video, but rather, it was something I could salvage out of the responses I already had haha

  • @THCSkateCrew
    @THCSkateCrew 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyway these surveys can be reposted to anywhere else but X?

  • @balther10
    @balther10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Tear format was worse. That was a true tier zero format. Now we just throw the term around for everything

    • @thekittenfreakify
      @thekittenfreakify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no not really the damn snake-eyes engine earned the title too.

    • @balther10
      @balther10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thekittenfreakify bro if you weren’t playing tear you weren’t winning. Period. In this format you at least have yubel, rescue ace, tenpai and a few others. If you think that’s the same as tear format then you should get your memory checked.

    • @actrose4272
      @actrose4272 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@balther10 In Ishizu tear format you also had other options in Spright, floo and Runick stun. It was play either Shifter or 12 Bystials turbo but imo that's practically the same as this format

    • @balther10
      @balther10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@actrose4272 you should look up the deck diversity charts during tear format

  • @christianeduardoticoraleon2856
    @christianeduardoticoraleon2856 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excelent video
    Thanks

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching!

  • @elfyar5786
    @elfyar5786 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    my locals for SE format started with about 20-25 players 10 of them playing SE now its maybe 15 people on good days with max 2 SE players noone wants to see this deck anymore unlike tear format it is not very interactive and unlike kash format the board doesnt die to 2 outs

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ya, definitely seeing a big decline of players in my area too

  • @gubigubigubigubi
    @gubigubigubigubi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The entire year of 2024 basically has been "Pay us 1000 dollars or you don't get to play yu gi oh"

    • @jtalkalot19
      @jtalkalot19 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's exactly why Tenpai has been doing really well arguably the 2nd best deck since its release and definitely was near that $1000 threshold that, according to you and everyone else complaining, is minimum enough to actually play the game.

    • @soogymoogi
      @soogymoogi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jtalkalot19 not t1, but gimmick puppet is also really cheap rn. The only card that's more than a few bucks is scissor arms and you can run it anywhere from 1-3

  • @liam7liam7
    @liam7liam7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this format ❤

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lmao not many of you!

  • @maztheop1359
    @maztheop1359 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Konami bring back sharvara to 3 and my life is yours

    • @HakunaMyData
      @HakunaMyData  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LMAO stay in school bruh ;)

  • @ricardobarragan8258
    @ricardobarragan8258 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My satisfaction level went down when Level Eater was banned. Leave my little guy alone 😢

  • @Animelover-ft2lv
    @Animelover-ft2lv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    first

  • @jtalkalot19
    @jtalkalot19 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unpopular opinion here, but im satisfied with our current format. You got our big 3 and a decent number of capable rogue decks. Even though everyone is sick of snake-eyes. This is how i believe most formats should be. I actually don't like extremely diverse formats, despite me only playing rogue decks.

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what rogue decks do you play?

    • @jtalkalot19
      @jtalkalot19 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Ragnarok540 currently Musket Fiendsmith, Centurion, Mikanko and white woods feat. Toys and sinful spoils. I have a regional on Saturday so under current list I'll most likely be taking Musket there for it.

    • @soogymoogi
      @soogymoogi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jtalkalot19musket fiendsmith has me so torn. I play pure musket on master duel so seeing them get used makes me so happy but they're so secondary to fiendsmith engine it feels... bad.

    • @jtalkalot19
      @jtalkalot19 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@soogymoogi I think both work together very well. I know people aren't particularly happy because it uses the current best engine. But I wouldn't be playing Musket in 2024 without them. They'll be collecting dust in binder of mine.

    • @soogymoogi
      @soogymoogi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jtalkalot19 fair enough, I'd rather people play musket than forget it exists. Maybe the attention will get it more support