How did the FORERUNNERS defeat the PRECURSORS (and unleash THE FLOOD)? | Halo Lore

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    We take a look at how the Forerunner managed to defeat their creators, the Precursor, during the Forerunner-Precursor War -- leading to events which would see the flood unleashed upon the galaxy.
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  • @EckhartsLadder
    @EckhartsLadder  5 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Probably stream on Twitch tonight... say, around 9PM EST? www.twitch.tv/eckhartsladder
    Also yes, that's a collector lol. It just looks like a precursor.

    • @corydorton2660
      @corydorton2660 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cool I will be there

    • @sirdevonaire3249
      @sirdevonaire3249 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      #askeck covent vs the protheains from mass effect bolth at their peek of power would win?

    • @mrvillage05
      @mrvillage05 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds cool! I'll try my best to be there, what would you be streaming?

    • @corydorton2660
      @corydorton2660 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sirdevonaire3249 interesting

    • @EckhartsLadder
      @EckhartsLadder  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Probably Apex Legends

  • @HiddenXperia
    @HiddenXperia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +968

    Space Cthulu vs Metal Men, a true battle for the ages

    • @craignewsome2058
      @craignewsome2058 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      I C O N I C

    • @windless4770
      @windless4770 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      They won because blitzkrieg

    • @windless4770
      @windless4770 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They won because blitzkrieg

    • @ProfessorSquid
      @ProfessorSquid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ages of empires

    • @chunkycat7333
      @chunkycat7333 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I just came from one of your videos😂😂😂😂 that is ICONIC

  • @bolothegiantfriendlypillbu4075
    @bolothegiantfriendlypillbu4075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +530

    If there are pure and not so a angry precursors left, I wonder what would they think of their hate filled and parasitic cousins (the flood).

    • @ethanwagner6418
      @ethanwagner6418 5 ปีที่แล้ว +156

      Imagine a benevolent precursor beating the absolute shit out of a gravemind.

    • @armorfrogentertainment
      @armorfrogentertainment 5 ปีที่แล้ว +182

      That really depends. It's entirely possible that the Precursors had a sense of morality far different from humanity. Perhaps the Flood would look like a necessary measure to unify the disparate species of the galaxy.
      Or, as one theory goes, the Flood could be considered a test of sorts; if humanity can defeat the Flood in a full war without resorting to galactic genocide like the Forerunners, then humans will be ready for the Mantle.

    • @madscientistshusta
      @madscientistshusta 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@armorfrogentertainment what is the mantle?

    • @armorfrogentertainment
      @armorfrogentertainment 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      @@madscientistshusta The Mantle of Responsibility. It was the Precursors' self-appointed role of protecting and guiding all life in the galaxy (or possibly the entire universe.)

    • @alexgroot2508
      @alexgroot2508 5 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      @@armorfrogentertainment You're not wrong about their morality. The Precursor interpretation of 'Living Time' was that the universe itself was a living entitity, with sentient life as its sensory organ. As such, it was their duty to experience all that existence could offer, striving for a sense of 'sweetness' (this 'sweetness' has no known sensational equivalent amongst sentients so far save for perhaps the Graveminds so it is dificult to describe, but any experience added to it, not just morally 'good' ones or ones that made a Precursor happy; pain and suffering qualified just as well).
      In this vein Precursors would take many different forms and live through life at various levels of evolutionary and technological stages, sometimes being as advanced as the Forerunners while at other times being barely jellyfish. Seeing as they were metaphysical in consciousness and had a back up memory in the form of the domain, they could easily though this. All this to enchance the 'sweetness' that the universe experienced by providing it with an as diverse as possible barrage of experiences.
      Its my personal headcanon that Precursors liked humanity better than Forerunners precisely because humans were volatile, diverse and prone to being in constant flux: they provided a plethora of 'sweetness' for the universe, whereas the Forerunners proved their unworthyness by being docile and stagnant (Halo Warfleet describes them being created as 'adjutants and companions' for the Precursors).
      So circling back to the original question of 'how would a pure precursor view the Flood', I think it would not neccesarily view them poorly: the Flood, through all the minds crushed in its folds as well as the experiences of all those who fight it surely provide plenty of 'sweetness' for the universe.

  • @starsilverinfinity
    @starsilverinfinity 5 ปีที่แล้ว +474

    Who would win?
    A galaxy full of high Tier, technologically advanced races with FTL tech
    or one weird space dust boi

    • @_spooT
      @_spooT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      space dust boi ftw

    • @KreativeHogwartsLegacyGUIDES
      @KreativeHogwartsLegacyGUIDES 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the library level in h1 would win. ppl would die of boredom. or 343 gs, ppl would die of confusion.
      flood win everytime though. i still dont know anything that top them except the precursor themselves

    • @Orinslayer
      @Orinslayer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That plot was so contrived.

    • @runaway6949
      @runaway6949 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Space cocaine

    • @feeler6670
      @feeler6670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Walking popcorn

  • @Jedi_Spartan
    @Jedi_Spartan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    LateNightGaming: They're so advanced that individuality and mortality is beyond them that they're like 'we're being driven to extinction, this is like interesting.'

    • @DylanBegazo
      @DylanBegazo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jedi Spartan 38 sometimes I feel that way. I mean, sometimes I feel that individuality and mortality is beyond me. I get that way in the happiest moments in my life where I only think of the present and those around me and when accidents happen where I get hurt, I forget I’m bleeding or don’t notice it until someone reminds me. I even fought a dog once in a moment like that when it got loose. I was surprisingly calm when I snapped it’s neck. I got bite quite a few times. But its like the pain stopped before reaching my brain or something.
      I call those moments now my Precursor moments.
      As for the lack of individuality, it’s a very nice feeling too though rare. Happens when I’m with my parents and they need help with something, I help them without any regard to myself. Of course they return the favor but not because I ask them to, they just do it out of gratitude. So yea. Those moments are fun too.
      Good observation Jedi Spartan 38

    • @andrewpandrew7786
      @andrewpandrew7786 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Catalyst - D B you’re either an edgy 14 year old or an idiot.

    • @punctuationman334
      @punctuationman334 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Catalyst - D B the amount of edge is making me die of cringe.

    • @Klodhvig
      @Klodhvig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@DylanBegazo really just want to bring you back to this comment 2 years later and let you reflect on what you were like 2 years ago

    • @DylanBegazo
      @DylanBegazo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Klodhvig what’s the objective?

  • @rjwentz8090
    @rjwentz8090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +526

    Why’s a collector in the thumbnail?

    • @EckhartsLadder
      @EckhartsLadder  5 ปีที่แล้ว +166

      Because they look similar to precursors

    • @ryanwassermann1928
      @ryanwassermann1928 5 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@EckhartsLadder MISLEADING

    • @rjwentz8090
      @rjwentz8090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      EckhartsLadder Well, fair enough

    • @chrissonofpear1384
      @chrissonofpear1384 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Zerg/Xel'Naga - some Starcraft similarities too...

    • @Conrad_Verner
      @Conrad_Verner 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      If halo infinite comes out and we're battling reapers instead of gardians then hey, I don't see a problem 😁

  • @NorthernStar1982
    @NorthernStar1982 5 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    Harbinger assumed direct control of this thumbnail

    • @KM4A1Gen5
      @KM4A1Gen5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      NorthernStar1982 thank you for this comment! Lmao

  • @markednomad3630
    @markednomad3630 5 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    Man Eck, you keep FLOODING us with quality content.

    • @benmccoy1766
      @benmccoy1766 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Idk ab that one man, it’s not great but you did get a heart...

    • @orichalxis7932
      @orichalxis7932 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Your puns are not good. They flooded my mind with pain.

  • @unscHelljumper
    @unscHelljumper 5 ปีที่แล้ว +275

    Im gonna have to stop you right there.

    • @craignewsome2058
      @craignewsome2058 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Oh shit

    • @grex951
      @grex951 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You cant stop the signal oni!!!!!!!!

    • @unscHelljumper
      @unscHelljumper 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@grex951 Are you sure?

    • @TheMuslimMan1337
      @TheMuslimMan1337 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Wait. That's illegal.

    • @grex951
      @grex951 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@unscHelljumper yes.

  • @aurorajones8481
    @aurorajones8481 5 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    Great story. Personally i cant play these FPS games because they make me nauseous but I dig the cannon. Great Sci Fi.

    • @CheapSkateGamer96
      @CheapSkateGamer96 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm just bad at them... And I don't like the xbox controller.

    • @kjj26k
      @kjj26k 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Rip you two :/
      Have you found Halo Wars yet?
      Exactly what you want here.

    • @metawarp7446
      @metawarp7446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Can you play FPS games with high FOVs? I think you and Sodium So Pho might have a treat with the PC releaces...

    • @matthewaleman4401
      @matthewaleman4401 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you get nauseous

    • @metawarp7446
      @metawarp7446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@matthewaleman4401
      Probably *motion sickness.*
      First person games are known to cause nausea through motion sickness. Higher Field Of View might help, but sadly there is a lack of FOV sliders on consoles.

  • @dranoelarios4788
    @dranoelarios4788 5 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    Tier 1 civilisation or some space dust?
    Place ya bets :P

    • @tommyspringer3693
      @tommyspringer3693 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Tier 1 space dust.

    • @benimadimjeff1375
      @benimadimjeff1375 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@tommyspringer3693 tier 0*

    • @acrustykrab
      @acrustykrab 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@benimadimjeff1375 I thought only the Precursors were Tier 0?

    • @trashpanda684
      @trashpanda684 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was correcting the person who said Tier 1 Space Dust because The Flood came from the Precursors.

    • @dranoelarios4788
      @dranoelarios4788 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Tier 1/2 Ancient humanity: *I was right and this is all your fault, why didn’t you listen?*
      Forunners: *Fights a immense exhausting war on two fronts like an idiot then gets their super ultra AI seduced by said space dust*

  • @carrierominger5534
    @carrierominger5534 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    MASS EFFECT! Coruscant defense fleet (Clone wars era) vs the Reaper armada (Mass effect).

    • @MrAustyn88
      @MrAustyn88 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reaper Armada

  • @stardude2006
    @stardude2006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    I wish 343 or Bungie would create a game based on the Human - Forerunner War
    I'd like to play as an Ancient Human like The Lord of Admirals.

    • @lofiseeker1790
      @lofiseeker1790 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      stardude2006 no

    • @stardude2006
      @stardude2006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Peace & Quiet You have no imagination.

    • @lofiseeker1790
      @lofiseeker1790 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh i have imagination, but making a game with pieces of lore that i dislike no thanks

    • @User-gx3sr
      @User-gx3sr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Peace & Quiet No one cares if you dislike it

    • @lofiseeker1790
      @lofiseeker1790 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Malarkey Shenanigans 343 don t care about your ancient human- forerunner game

  • @adamalexander1496
    @adamalexander1496 5 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I can sum it up using Star Wars.
    Precursor: "Strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
    Forerunner: "Then let me show you the true nature of the force."

    • @xclrtr5747
      @xclrtr5747 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      If anything it's the precursors that would know the true nature of the force

  • @PBart7
    @PBart7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You should make a video explaining the Precursors in general. Thier abilities and feats are mindboggling. They are absolutely one of the most OP factions in fiction

  • @kingsolomon673
    @kingsolomon673 5 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    They beat them at chess and accidentally spilled the cup which contained the flood
    I don't know

    • @hariman7727
      @hariman7727 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They should all be reduced immortal ordinary men and transported to Skyrim, where they can live asininely in a Land of jerks like the jerks they are.

    • @DylanBegazo
      @DylanBegazo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The Precursors are 4 Dimensional Species that achieved Tier 1 and flourished beyond the confines of a singular Galaxy. After the trauma of being defeated by The Treacherous Forerunners, The Precursors decided to do two things:
      1. Go into Stasis/Suspended animation kinda like Cryostasis.
      2. Ground up their 3 Dimensional bodies/Avatars.
      Note: They are 4 Dimensional beings unlike us 3 Dimensional ones. If you destroy a 3 Dimensional being’s 3 Dimensional body, you’ve effectively killed that being but it doesn’t work the same way for a 4 Dimensional being. Thus the precursors aren’t dead simply because the Forerunners destroyed their 3 Dimensional bodies.
      The part of the universe we can interact with as 3 Dimensional beings is composed of only those 3 Dimensions. So you can’t truly “kill” a Precursor. Unless you find a way to eliminate that final dimension. (This of course is excluding the soul cause that’s a separate topic)
      Main point: The 3 Dimensional dust created by grounding up Precursor bodies OR more accurately their AVATARS, is the dust they use to reincarnate themselves. It’s essentially Reincarnation Remains/dust.
      Conclusion: A Precursor decided to corrupt the dust of it’s brethren. It took the dust and corrupted it into a Bioweapon that is activated by coming into contact with “life” aka Biomass. The Precursor did so because it wanted revenge against the Forerunners for “biting the hand that fed” them. The flood are NOT Precursor. They are a bioweapon abomination that is the Anti-thesis of life created by corrupting/weaponizing the remains/Dust of a Precursor’s 3 Dimensional Avatar.
      Example: You take the ashes of a cremated human and corrupt it to make a bioweapon that used life itself against its targets. It doesn’t make the bioweapon a Human Being, that’s faulty logic.
      Reminder: To be a Human Being, you have to be made from the union of a Human being’s Egg and another Human Being’s Sperm. That’s a basic scientific fact.

  • @vinniebg3553
    @vinniebg3553 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I clicked this notification so quickly that I think I cracked my phone screen

    • @vinniebg3553
      @vinniebg3553 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      iT got noticed! My phone can break happy now

    • @paultrappiel9943
      @paultrappiel9943 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now it will be cheaper to buy a new one than fix.

  • @gagalooo6504
    @gagalooo6504 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I dont play many of these games or know much of the lore, but your videos REALLY entertaining for me. Keep it up!

  • @kennethkates3140
    @kennethkates3140 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Best Energy Rifle: E-11 Blaster Rifle Star Wars; Type-3 Phaser Rifle Star Trek; PPG Rifle Babylon 5; Type-25 Energy Rifle

    • @ashharhasan3120
      @ashharhasan3120 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Best energy rifle? That would be my wazer wifle!

  • @Kai-vo5zq
    @Kai-vo5zq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Another Halo vid? This is what makes me moist

  • @axelramirez9074
    @axelramirez9074 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Halo lore is always so interesting and fun to know

  • @TmanTheTdog
    @TmanTheTdog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    *Reads Title*
    “Oh, neat”
    *Sees Thumbnail*
    “Wait, why’s there a Collector in the thumbnail?!”

  • @rager5865
    @rager5865 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Who would win?
    A highly advanced civilization that can destroy gods with incomprehensibly advanced technology
    Or some slimy bois

    • @awlotus
      @awlotus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you still remember making this comment or did I put it back in your mind?

    • @OrbitalShell
      @OrbitalShell 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@awlotus do you remember this comment?

    • @awlotus
      @awlotus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Drowning Lemming you know not until just now

    • @rager5865
      @rager5865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HEART xw Yeah same. Can’t say I remember commenting this.

    • @OrbitalShell
      @OrbitalShell 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rager5865 I now will remember you both forever.

  • @chetandesai9908
    @chetandesai9908 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Probably 343 should make a game of forerunner-human war
    Or
    Forerunner-flood war
    Or
    Forerunner-precursors war

  • @HawkTheRed
    @HawkTheRed 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    #AskEck
    Can you talk about our lord and savior: The Halo Valiant Class Superheavy Cruiser/Battlecruiser?

  • @dougbanks7777
    @dougbanks7777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    No way??? A halo vid
    It’s a miracle

  • @kennethkates3140
    @kennethkates3140 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Best personal shield: Body shield Dune; Spartan energy shield Halo; Kinetic shield Mass Effect; Shield belt Star Wars

    • @jamesricker3997
      @jamesricker3997 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hit the Body Shield with a Las Gun and it goes off like a nuke.

    • @stemm09
      @stemm09 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jamesricker3997 It's a feature

  • @centurymemes1208
    @centurymemes1208 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the pre curser philosophy is what molded them.
    they want the universe to experience al forms of experience by life either good or ill.
    and yes im a fan of installation 00

  • @ez4ed885
    @ez4ed885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Probably guns.
    Lots and lots of guns.

  • @maoistlily1432
    @maoistlily1432 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I always wondered how Forruners as advanced as they were wiped out literal SPACE GODS! Thanks for answering :)
    Will you maybe make a video comparing UNSC Infinity with some ship of the New Republic?
    No preassure of course, just a suggestion.

    • @tristanbackup2536
      @tristanbackup2536 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Numbers maybe, or stolen technology as well.

    • @hariman7727
      @hariman7727 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The "space gods" are stupid morons. The forerunners are stupid morons. From the sound of it, most factions in Halo now have a streak of stupid moron in them.

    • @Dr.Pootis
      @Dr.Pootis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Supposedly the precursors didn't fight back because they were in awe at the ferocity of thier creations.

    • @thyreradim7885
      @thyreradim7885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Herman Cillo,
      "The "space gods" are stupid morons. The forerunners are stupid morons. From the sound of it, most factions in Halo now have a streak of stupid moron in them."
      that's describing literally everything in every fiction, and in all of history lmfao.

    • @leiferikson850
      @leiferikson850 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Easiest way is that: Since precursors have the living time concept on their side they basicly ascended and can "become one with the force" and thus return. For most of them its like a game: You start a round and the easy ai suddendly buggs out and beats you. One the one side you laugh and just watch the firework knowning that you can't really lose and even win if you want and put effort in it, but since its just a game and you above all that you just keep watching. On the other hand it hurts your ego a bit. So you start a new round with new settings and as new faction/race. Midway you encouter a bug in your faction but "all of it just works" so its "not a bug but a feature" and you keep playing... this time with the goal to show the ai who is the boss here because it turns out your ego got more hurt than you want to admit.

  • @Azakadune
    @Azakadune 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, good to see a basic overview for people who don't watch more serious halo channels like Hidden Xperia.

  • @supertaco4938
    @supertaco4938 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally! Been waiting for channels to cover this topic!

  • @chetandesai9908
    @chetandesai9908 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now that's a video I'm taking about. Epic video Eck
    love you man

  • @TheJediassasin87
    @TheJediassasin87 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe just because I'm a huge mass effect fan but the thumbnail looks so much like a prothean!

  • @aninjaguardian
    @aninjaguardian 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Halo lore videos are why I'm subbed to this channel. Great video

  • @theoddavacado6518
    @theoddavacado6518 5 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    Hi person scrolling in the comments

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 5 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    *Attempt 375*
    Do the Forerunners vs The Imperium of Man (Halo vs Warhammer 40k) please with both at their peak strength and advancements.

    • @raxos787
      @raxos787 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thor's Hammer i am rooting for you

    • @tigersebel
      @tigersebel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      i would love to see this. but i don't really know how the imperium could beat the Forerunners.

    • @thorshammer7883
      @thorshammer7883 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@raxos787
      Thank you.

    • @beasticy4216
      @beasticy4216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sacred Icon Yeah to War in Heaven Necrons or the Old ones solo them Lmao

    • @311Bambino
      @311Bambino 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@beasticy4216 That's debatable, only thing the WIH Necrons has that might tips the scale over the Forerunners are the C'tan's and even still I'm pretty sure they're suceptible to the Halo Array

  • @DioBrando-mr5xs
    @DioBrando-mr5xs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Was the dust really defective? The Primordial was the first Gravemind, yet did not make themselves dust. I think the precursors decided upon this after a while.

  • @uddipanmaitra9263
    @uddipanmaitra9263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I believe that the precursors were so enlightened that they were above violence. The very stuff had become foreign to them. We know they seeded and nurtured species. They were completely taken aback at the violence of one of their pioneer species.

    • @nobilesnovushomo58
      @nobilesnovushomo58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      …Then they created the flood!
      Honestly a big point of halo if you can’t tell when somebody was lying and when somebody was telling the truth back then. Each interpretation had large basis of truth but some more self-serving and others were based on the restricted experiences and internal bias of the teller.
      Is it that they wouldn’t defend themselves or they couldn’t? Should they have let violence go unrebuked? If they created the flood where they truly above destroying their creations to start anew?

    • @williameldridge9382
      @williameldridge9382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nobilesnovushomo58 Both of you are wrong, entirely. The Precursors didn't create the Flood, they ARE the Flood. The Precursors consistently committed genocide whenever they decided a species wasn't growing up right. In fact, that was their plan with the Forerunners after they determined that the Ancient Humans were destined to take the mantle. The Forerunners found out and pre-emptively struck to prevent themselves from being wiped out.

    • @nobilesnovushomo58
      @nobilesnovushomo58 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@williameldridge9382 True. That’s why I said you couldn’t tell from one source alone in the halo novels who was right and who was wrong. I find it hard to believe that the forerunners would try to war against space gods if it wasn’t something really bad, The precursors tried to allude away from this conclusion tactfully. At the same time it was precisely the forerunners hubris that was demonstrated time and time again in the amoral decisions including debasing an entire species, The forerunners were definitely not worthy of the mantle even if humanity was waging a desperate war, to outright genetically alter an entire species goes a bit too far as well as stripping them of any hope of achieving the wealth and commodity they had before. In the books there are actually precursors that are dedicated to joy that are completely foreign to the flood in pathology and form. The librarian’s Geas lead her to save the last one or two precursors to start a new on another planet and the books alluded to the fact that they were very wide in interests and in form. The flood was actually a corrupted precursor and it was alluded to that even after the primordial merged with the flood in mind the flood still didn’t have access to all of its knowledge.

  • @aquapb893
    @aquapb893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With the future of the Halo Universe uncertain, I wonder what would happen to the Galaxy should anyone discover those Anti-Precursor Forerunner fleets that are probably floating on the fringe of the Galaxy

    • @Jermrants
      @Jermrants 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tru because they travelled to path kethona to find them

  • @Tiny4741
    @Tiny4741 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At first I thought this was Forerunners vs Protheans. I don’t know if you’ve done it before, but that would be a great thing to see. Halo Forerunners vs Mass Effect Protheans.

    • @Tiny4741
      @Tiny4741 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just sorta comprehended the thumbnail. Probably got Precursor and Prothean mixed up cause of the collector on the thumbnail. lol.

  • @diegocarrillo7211
    @diegocarrillo7211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For a second I thought this was gonna be a mass effect video because the thumbnail had a collector on the cover

  • @bruv233
    @bruv233 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You know even if the wiki this is never fleshed out. Good work.

  • @hermaeusmora345
    @hermaeusmora345 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Collector? Yes.
    Also a Prothean? Yes.

  • @TheSam2382
    @TheSam2382 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see you play Knights of the old republic. With your massive knowledge It’d be awesome to see a up to date play through.

  • @zacimusprime4865
    @zacimusprime4865 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The precousour in the thumbnail looks like a collector from mass effect 2

  • @scytheseven9173
    @scytheseven9173 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Do a Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Fluidic Space and war against Species 8472(the Undine)! Try 145.

  • @hagan2096
    @hagan2096 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the Collector in the photo

  • @ShedinnHobbies
    @ShedinnHobbies 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anyone else gonna mention that the thumbnail creature is actually a Collector from Mass Effect 2?

  • @jonathanswavely7259
    @jonathanswavely7259 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Forerunner vs Imperium

    • @ordohereticus5530
      @ordohereticus5530 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jesus, what do you have against the IoM?

    • @jonathanswavely7259
      @jonathanswavely7259 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ordohereticus5530
      They killed my Eldar waifu

    • @MrPancake777
      @MrPancake777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jonathan Swavely Thats really tough. Forerunners have the edge in technology. But IOM has the numbers and sheer size and scale. IMO probably even have more men than the Forerunner has bullets (or whatever they shot out from their guns). If I have to put a bet on it. I would say IOM takes it 6/10 times

    • @chengda85
      @chengda85 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      forerunner rekts imperium, just turn on halos, all sentient life in galaxy wiped out

    • @ugandanknuckles3981
      @ugandanknuckles3981 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the.raven but the halo rings will wipe out anything with a nervous system, the idea was to starve the flood, so that would leave the necrons,chaos, maybe the tyranids,and another thing, if the orks believe that the forerunners technology is horrible and that the forerunner empire can be beaten by them only, can the orks beat the forerunners due to their belief system.

  • @ArgosySpecOps
    @ArgosySpecOps 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speed, surprise, and violence of action.

  • @faultyfears
    @faultyfears 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep making videos I listen to them on the way to work on my cars speakers!

  • @mrcheeseballs9455
    @mrcheeseballs9455 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks dude, your videos are the best!

  • @redtalon8947
    @redtalon8947 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay I swear on the last video I asked for this exact thing. Thank you.

  • @ScottyToHottyPEG
    @ScottyToHottyPEG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Remember those forerunners were desendants of the warrior caste that exiled themselves, they only followed orders and were told by their superiors that the precursors were planning on wiping them, only the high ranking/leaders of the forerunners at the time would have know if that were true.
    Therefor judging by the conflicting stories, and info from the primordial, gravemind ect, It appears the forerunners did indeed instigate the war, explaining why the precursors became bitter, it makes no sense for them to seek revenge if it was their fault, makes them seem petty and their whole moral philosophy pointless.
    One can asume the forerunners may have decided on a pre-emptive strike incase they were possibly going to be wiped out since the precursors have done so before to "failed spieces".
    We can speculate that the forerunners reacted rashly to the news, fearing being wiped out or being superseded by humanity they choose to attack to protect there own interests, only proving how unworthy they are by doing so, the precursors allowed themselves to be defeated and marvelled in the violence.
    After being brought to near extinction, they hid, and with the passage of time they created, cultivated and minipulated the flood to pass judgement upon the forerunners and to in turn test humanities worthiness for the mantle.
    As long as humanity doesnt mass genocide the galaxy to save themselves unlike the forerunners, I think we should pass.

  • @chrisizaaks572
    @chrisizaaks572 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude I love your intro so much man

  • @LycorisRaidata
    @LycorisRaidata 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *blows up multiple star systems rendering countless life forms extinct and nearly killing themselves*
    CaN wE hAvE tHe MaNtLe?
    Precursors: I wouldn't trust a single one of you with a fucking frying pan, let alone control of a galaxy

  • @tianoc-g4811
    @tianoc-g4811 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh he is a really challenging one that I haven't seen yet :a massive Techno vs. Organic War in Unknown Space between the Reapers from Mass Effect vs. the Yuuzhan Vong from Star Wars Legends.

  • @St-hj1ux
    @St-hj1ux 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Precursors "They wouldn't dare!"
    ForeRunner "Surprise"

  • @norad_clips
    @norad_clips 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Collectors are enigmatic, at best...

  • @MagicSpud
    @MagicSpud 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Collector reminds me, been awhile since the last time you did Mass Effect content I think.

  • @mr.delete6066
    @mr.delete6066 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m hyped and I haven’t even watched this video yet.

  • @joshuapurdy7065
    @joshuapurdy7065 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Where was it said that the forerunners who were hidden in the satellite galaxy and the history keeping moss was targeted by a halo ring?

  • @oscarherrera3694
    @oscarherrera3694 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good videos bro. Keep them going.

  • @somerandomdude7785
    @somerandomdude7785 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Superweapons Compared:
    Starkiller Base (Star Wars)
    Blackstone Fortress (Warhammer 40k)
    Doomsday Machine (Star Trek)
    Harvester Mothership (Independence Day)
    #askeck

    • @Tonius126
      @Tonius126 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Havoc Nukes(Halo)
      Reality Bomb(Doctor Who)

    • @ViolenVaymire
      @ViolenVaymire 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Tonius126 Star killer base is a joke. It was a shoehorned mcguffin. The structural lore of the new star wars movie's, in general, is just awful. Id love to know how the first order even got the funds to build such a base when the empire was barley able to crank out the 1st and 2nd death star. Let alone how no one new about it. Don't even get me started on the rest of there super fleet and there ludicrous tech jumps. Gawd i wish The new star wars movies never happened. The last Jedi was so bad it needs to be retconned.

    • @kshitijmehta6535
      @kshitijmehta6535 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Halo array

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    *Attempt 377*
    Please do the Forerunners vs The Imperium of Man (Halo vs Warhammer 40k) with both factions at their peak strengths and advancements yes super weapons and ai included and if Forerruners stomp then the Imperium may have their Emperor for help.

    • @311Bambino
      @311Bambino 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude, if you're gonna make Forerunners vs IoM, at least ban the Halo Array because that's gonna be an istant win button.

    • @AneurysmSauce
      @AneurysmSauce 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      TurtleOver Lord then you gotta consider the Composer. It’s an anti-Life weapon.

    • @Raffney
      @Raffney 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@311Bambino It likely couldn't reach the warp, webway or through warp barriers.

    • @egorex1834
      @egorex1834 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Emperor has some mind blowing feats but still...even with that, I think the Imperium is gonna get buried by the sheer manufacturing capabilities of the Forerunners.

  • @dr._breens_beard
    @dr._breens_beard 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been wondering now for awhile if the Halo Array's main weapon is based upon, or even an up-scaled retrofit of the weapon(s) the ancient forerunner fleet used in their war of extermination against the Precursors. The upper levels of forerunner government had knowledge of what happened in their ancient history so i can't imagine they didn't have access to tech from that time.

  • @tatepalmer1997
    @tatepalmer1997 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do u still do the other videos that aren’t selected in your polls later down the line cause there have been suggestions that didn’t get picked that I’d like to see get made and haven't been, even some from polls that were quite a while ago still haven't been made. So do u still keep the suggestions for later down the line? Please reply so you can put this loyal followers heart at ease!

  • @stephendean2896
    @stephendean2896 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Retribution, it seems drive all arcs day to day life and especially fantasy

  • @bobyork6248
    @bobyork6248 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in the end the precursors still defeated the forerunners, they just played an exceptionally loooong game
    also I used to think that the Flood may have been something the Precursors intended to use as a final test for their Heirs to prove themselves against, of course that was before I read the Forerunner trilogy

    • @NotSoSerious69420
      @NotSoSerious69420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I always just imagined the halo universe is in a cycle and eventually the cycle will end.

  • @hevnervals
    @hevnervals 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good music taste my dude

  • @danterosales6985
    @danterosales6985 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the outro

  • @TheShepardN7
    @TheShepardN7 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw a Collector in the thumbnail, I sub.

  • @Zornhau231
    @Zornhau231 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Autumn class cruiser vs ISD#askeck

  • @Spartanm-mm6hz
    @Spartanm-mm6hz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What if some of the precursors escaped the milky way and became flood and have already consumed multiple galaxies waiting for the flood in the milky way to be killed and then strike or maybe unite these conquered galaxies into one giant flood being

    • @williameldridge9382
      @williameldridge9382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There are Precursors outside the Milky Way that survived, this is a fact. The Flood IS the Precursors, or what is left of the ones that got wiped out as dust that combined, along with the mind of the last surviving Precursor in the Milky Way, known as the Primordial. Two Precursors survived the genocide of the Forerunners, and took refuge in a dwarf galaxy called Path Kethona. Some Forerunners that didn't agree with the genocide found them and tried to hide them and save them. The Forerunners didn't have the ability to heal them, and despite the fact that the Precursors could have healed themselves, they decided to let nature take it's course after hearing what happened to their species.
      The flood are what is left of the Precursors that relished in killing, destruction and violence. The ones that relished creation, peace, and healing no longer exist as the last two in existence died off on Path Kethona.
      www.halopedia.org/Precursor
      www.halopedia.org/Large_Magellanic_Cloud

  • @darkbooger
    @darkbooger 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    When the Halos are activated, but the Flood still survive:
    *We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close*

  • @jamreviews9547
    @jamreviews9547 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos, and this was a good one too. A little bit of constructive criticism though. I know it’s important to plug your social media, but I found it rather distracting for it to be on the video the whole time. Just a little thing I thought I’d mention.

  • @Finn_the_Cat
    @Finn_the_Cat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For a second I thought we were doing a match up of forerunners from halo and precursors from Subnautica, although that would be interesting

  • @davidcameron5308
    @davidcameron5308 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boi, from the thumbnail I thought we were getting a video including Mass Effect's Collectors.

  • @majinreclaimer4457
    @majinreclaimer4457 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Knowledge dump of all precursor shit pls

  • @wildxdem0n926
    @wildxdem0n926 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love to see Halo precursors vs the Star Wars celestials

  • @Myname-il9vd
    @Myname-il9vd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The forerunner are some of the coolest video game species

  • @trenchmcraedy3136
    @trenchmcraedy3136 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Forgive my ignorance but have you done a video on what happened to the ODST part of the Marines after the Spartan 4 program finally took off?

  • @bigman1954
    @bigman1954 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was watching memes when I got the notification for this video

  • @adamorick2872
    @adamorick2872 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    They used superior numbers, and exceptional brutality

  • @sgdolt
    @sgdolt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The click image looked like a Prothean collector from Mass Effect

  • @xK27R
    @xK27R 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Not bashing 343 in any way but I hate that they tried create and paint the new lore of Forerunners vs Humans as a more important than the Forerunner Flood War. The Forerunner Flood War is the magic of Halo, the Human Forerunner war is cheesy and awful

    • @royalraptor6245
      @royalraptor6245 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree

    • @Tee_B
      @Tee_B 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I miss the old super mysterious and exotic Forerunners and ultra powerful Precursors.

    • @_spooT
      @_spooT 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      well there wouldn't have been a human forerunner war if these retards werent stupid enough to engage the precursors in the first place. see where pride gets you? u get fucked

  • @kennethkates3140
    @kennethkates3140 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Starship versus: Harrower class Dreadnaught vs Victory class Star Destroyer

  • @patricio5174
    @patricio5174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Talking about Halo and have a corrupted Prothean from Mass Effect in the thumbnail

  • @lekylee
    @lekylee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Factions Compared: Forerunner, Precursor, Necrons (War in Heaven), and Old Ones

  • @harrisonlee9585
    @harrisonlee9585 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Samuel Hayden is angry he can't sell out humanity to any of these groups.

  • @wegottagetoutofthisplace610
    @wegottagetoutofthisplace610 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Givins are a spooky race

  • @roshango125ab
    @roshango125ab 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a halo question for you, after replaying halo 2 I forgot that coranta was planning on blowing in amber clad's engines to destroy high charity and installation 05, why didnt she do that when tartarus forced maranda to activate the ring

  • @mikedicewrites
    @mikedicewrites 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got to love the fact that the Flood is a god-virus

  • @aceykerr8752
    @aceykerr8752 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I firmly believe that the Precursors attempted to wipe out the forerunners and the forerunners fought back. The Forerunner being so violent and warlike as a species cut through the procurers with bloody swath never before seen. The sheer shock and awe used by the forerunners left the precursors unable to(not unwilling) to fight back. I think the pure rage and violent predisposition of the forerunners allowed them to decimate the more advanced species.

  • @christianvigil487
    @christianvigil487 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm curious. How long is that capital ship video with EC Henry going to be?

  • @JadedMarigold
    @JadedMarigold 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid ,o TH-camr I watch

  • @cozyapustaja8249
    @cozyapustaja8249 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any plans for any half life related lore?

  • @ubermaster134
    @ubermaster134 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Truth of the genocide being hidden" hmm seems familiar

  • @Halobeast10000000000
    @Halobeast10000000000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    #askEck I’m not sure how legitimate this was when I read it, but you seem to be a relative knowledgeable person on this, was there ever a Jedi during the Vong conflict, that garnered the respect of the Vong through his or their combat prowess when facing many of them?