Cheers mate. I just realised. The police are not at fault. They just trusted the doctors opinions to be FACT....i dont think you can hold that against them. Doctors start talkin medical terms n most people are noddin dogs after that.
Freshly paid experts: the police could hire me to request the data we need from CoCH and then do a correctly run forensic-statistical (epidemiological) investigation. I’d be delighted to earn half a million pounds. Problem is, I’m nearly certain the investigation would prove there was very probably no spate of murders by anyone (nurse or doctor or cleaning lady, technician, or janitor). I’ve offered my services to Cheshire Constabulary in the past, several times, but they never reply.
They should hire you, Richard. I think they're just playing hard to get at the mo. Say you'll do it for some good wine, and a curry with Paul Hughes and the lads n lasses of operation hummingbird. Just kidding. It's all insane, isn't it. The last thing Cheshire Police want now are any REAL experts, such as yourself, messing with their cherished case! The kind of case you win awards for!
Thanks Mark - excellent resume as usual. Although I agree a retrial looks less and less likely as the prosecution's case continues to unravel - how are the bogus experts to be held account. Especially Evans, who may have made £500K out of his work of fiction?
I am at a loss to understand how these so called experts get away with their all the lies and evil plotting of innocent people. And the greed that drives them selfish and self obsessed and entitled 😢
Thanks for doing what you do Mark. Not being a watcher of the TV for many years I had only a vague knowledge that 'some nurse had murdered babies somewhere' and thought no more about it other than the usual sorry for the parents and disgust at how humans turn into monsters because of the environment we call "norm" . I came across one of your videos and it caught my attention. I have been on this one ever since. I have a nagging suspicion that Evans was sought out by these doctors before he offered his services to the police whilst they were conspiring. He does have a track record of concocting 'weird and wonderful' medical cases so would be the ideal 'expert'. just a couple of the points that have hit my sus button: Jayaram stated that he had researched the air embolism info whilst he was searching for answers. Evans stated that he was the first to come up with it. These doctors were heading for a lot of trouble, at least two of the 'gang of four were potentially at risk of medical manslaughter charges before the focus was redirected towards Lucy. To me this makes it make sense. What a monumental cock up they have made (thankfully). My thoughts are often with Lucy and I am pretty damn sure that with the help of 'real' experts, the efforts of people like you, Tasha, Carl, Jabe (et al), the hard bitten journalists like John Sweeney and a great man in Mark McDonald leading the charge, she will be free.
I second everything you say and I also think Evans knew these doctors prior to volunteering his services. I bet they never thought they would come under the microscope. I wonder how they feel now that “Real” Medical Experts are on the case and the world is watching.
@@kjamo4928 Yes totally agree. They were so sure of themselves, who knows what they are whispering to themselves now in their silent places, I hope it's very scary for them, its no more than they deserve.
Jane Hutton was the statistician whose report the police and CPS decided not to use. I agree that the prosecution will struggle to buy an expert witness. It's possible this won't even go to a retrial. The CPS could simply decide there is not enough evidence to convict. Quote from Evans "It is your duty ,to change your mind, change your opinion as necessary" S4C 17/12/2024.
I no longer think that any of this can be explained by confirmation bias or group think on the part of the consultants and experts. This is malice and it is evil. The Drs all know she is innocent. They know and don’t care. I think you’ve been on to this for a while, Mark. I’m just catching up.
I'm 100% with you on this, esymmetry. They don't believe, genuinely, in Lucy's 'guilt' - but she must remain 'guilty' - to save their careers, reputations etc etc.
All that, Dr. Evans were saying had not been backed up by at least two other research. I'm confident that other world Neonatologists will agree with Dr. Taylor's point of view. Dr. Evan's opinion stood on his own to date.
Dr Bohin backed up Evans, as did other 'experts' at the trial. Neither Bohin nor any of the other pros experts at trial wish to speak about this matter - you can imagine why.
There are Real people standing up for Lucy now...its restored my faith in humanity. The retired ones probably have no commitments more important than this. Any father will be caring what happens to Lucy now. Imagine this happening to someone you love, this will have affected hundreds of people directly. Not to mention the parents of the babies.OMG!. I think once Lucy is freed, everyones hearts n minds will be on 'what happened to these babies'??
and for free...Another thing is simply how E speaks. He speaks in certainties when the other experts are reluctant to speak in such terms. Juries like to hear certainties when they themselves are not sure. Although the language of the new support for Lucy is speaking in more direct (to the lay person ) terms.
It's why he's 'won' every case - except one. And that one rankles with him. He's got it all down to a fine art, or did. But the chickens are coming home to roost now!
The last thing the Thirwall enquiry wants to do is find out what was truly going on in that unit. They would all be out of a place on the useless gravy train they are on 😬🥺
@@daveJohn-n4g hmm - not heard of ‘the good nurse’ I’ll have to look it up. There are often correlations between media ‘entertainment’ and real life, usually to get us used to an idea. I don’t know if the good nurse of the title turns out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
@hopeisthething1965 I have a vague recollection of you speaking about someone writing a book, article or something years before Lucy was arrested. They described what would happen. It was back in the summer, when I first started watching your channel.
The evidence about the coroner given to the Thirwall Inquisition is astonishing. A doctor gave evidence to a coroner, but did not present evidence or even suspicion of deliberate harm. 😱 It would be interesting if that evidence could be traced and published. ☮️
it would be a matter of record from the Inquest. I believe it is, backwoodsbungalow. (including the absence of his 'suspicions' of deliberate harm - how convinced were they - at that point in time though? or is that just being reconstructed as a back-fill now?)
I hope Lucy Letby is exonerated, and freed… because, I believe the lead consultant, (with his narcissistic “drawer of doom”), accusing LL, has passed the rubicon… absolutely no going back for him now; neither for his co-conspirators.
The use of the word premonition leads the reader to think magically I feel she made an observation rather than had a premonition which is a realistic statement that the public can understand that the doctor was just doing her job not making a guess at what could happen because of the negligence present in the hospital . The language the media is using is feeding into the hysteria that will build momentum for the witch trials they are wanting to reintroduce back into modern society. This case is just an experiment in public persuasion and oppression is getting clearer it has become so thin you can see write through it .
Thanks so much for this, Rosie. I must say it was me who inserted the term premontition. And as you say - observation (and a fear of a likelihood occuring, i suppose) is more accurate as to Alison Timmis's email. I suppose I have used this term as we now know her fears, her observation at the time, her assessment - came to pass. She was absolutely right - about what was going on - and what would continue to go on.
Apparently, Evans was paid as an expert witness for the prosecution and he was also paid as an independent witness by the court. He admitted this when questioned by John Sweeney but denied the obvious conflict of interest.
Evans was apparently paid an absolute fortune to basically find her guilty No matter what. This man is a Monster and needs locking up for everyoes sake, He's got a long history of destroying people's lives .
It's encouraging that Private Eye, as a high profile publication, is raising awareness of the hard medical evidence presented by neonatal experts. This Private Eye article doesn't seem to highlight the core fact that we now have hard medical evidence that the doctors killed at least two babies, Noah and O. 🤔
It seems insane to me that Dewi evens would not be called upon to give evidence at the enquiry. He is the so called expert on how these infant deaths occurred, is he not. What's the point if he isn't made to explain his findings in more detail.
It feels like if you are hoping for good legal representation in a situation like this it won’t happen. Only there for very privileged, wealthy people or those being backed by an organisation or charity. Nurses should have insurance against allegations such as this. Insurance to cover legal costs. It should be part of their registration to protect them. Then the CPS, the Police etc will know they are up against a proper defence who will pull out all the stops for their client. Leave no stone unturned. I think they can scent when they have a person vulnerable to prosecution and unable to defend themselves. They are happy to ignore obvious ways to explore if that person could be innocent. Only interested in finding more ways to falsely incriminate. How sad and soulless.
Pretty sure that Evan’s has already paid off as many experts as he possibly can to back up his claims, that’s why they are all wanting to work for free . I feel this stage of the game is about infecting more people and destroying more lives with lies , finding who they can control and corrupt next is the ultimate goal. Evan’s and gang have already been given enough money to spread their message I suppose that’s why they gave him so much money at the start of the case because they would have known from the start that this would be how to keep the game going and draw more people into the business.
That's very interesting. Thank you, Rosie. It would seem though that no one will now come forward to back up Evans's claims and assessments. Not even those who backed him, in one form or another, during the trial itself. Whereas a small army of far more qualified people are convinced Evans's work is, as a previous judge termed it, in another case - worthless.
Question. I read somewhere and asking anyone if this is true: Dr b inserted the needle into baby O lacerating his liver and Dr Gibbs was at the bedside and saw the event ? Isn’t Dr Gibbs the head of the neonatal unit ?
Gibbs was the most 'senior' consultant - in terms of years or experience, i think - but Brearey was the neonatal 'lead' (and Jayaram was the paediatric 'lead')
@ okay. Thank you got it. Things are done differently here in America. So would you say that Dr b was the head of the department while Dr j head of pediatrics? I’m learning so much NHS jargon. Doesn’t mean care is worse in UK. Trust me the rural hospitals in US and many in urban areas are as frightening and run down as NHS ones. And there are probably some cases of worker abuse similar but not as big as the Lucy case. Our hospitals are run privately except for our veterans ( which is run by our federal government, OMG the care is worse than your NHS, ). Thanks for clarifying. Go team Baby O
This is an interesting podcast I don't know if there's anything new in there or not It's to do with the author in private eye th-cam.com/video/x6iPBaArctg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jm81cUZHBAfPImcw
With many thanks to Catherine for sending me this report today.
Cheers mate. I just realised. The police are not at fault. They just trusted the doctors opinions to be FACT....i dont think you can hold that against them. Doctors start talkin medical terms n most people are noddin dogs after that.
Thank you Mark ,as always on the ball , freedom for Lucy
Cheers very much, Stephen!
Freshly paid experts: the police could hire me to request the data we need from CoCH and then do a correctly run forensic-statistical (epidemiological) investigation. I’d be delighted to earn half a million pounds. Problem is, I’m nearly certain the investigation would prove there was very probably no spate of murders by anyone (nurse or doctor or cleaning lady, technician, or janitor). I’ve offered my services to Cheshire Constabulary in the past, several times, but they never reply.
They should hire you, Richard. I think they're just playing hard to get at the mo. Say you'll do it for some good wine, and a curry with Paul Hughes and the lads n lasses of operation hummingbird. Just kidding. It's all insane, isn't it. The last thing Cheshire Police want now are any REAL experts, such as yourself, messing with their cherished case! The kind of case you win awards for!
Thanks Mark - excellent resume as usual. Although I agree a retrial looks less and less likely as the prosecution's case continues to unravel - how are the bogus experts to be held account. Especially Evans, who may have made £500K out of his work of fiction?
Thank you, Adrian. I believe they should all be held to account, and should have to return all the money given to them. And then be further sued, imo.
Sued and prosecuted
Rumour has it 2 million does not take long at £450 per hour
I am at a loss to understand how these so called experts get away with their all the lies and evil plotting of innocent people. And the greed that drives them selfish and self obsessed and entitled 😢
Thanks for doing what you do Mark. Not being a watcher of the TV for many years I had only a vague knowledge that 'some nurse had murdered babies somewhere' and thought no more about it other than the usual sorry for the parents and disgust at how humans turn into monsters because of the environment we call "norm" . I came across one of your videos and it caught my attention. I have been on this one ever since.
I have a nagging suspicion that Evans was sought out by these doctors before he offered his services to the police whilst they were conspiring. He does have a track record of concocting 'weird and wonderful' medical cases so would be the ideal 'expert'. just a couple of the points that have hit my sus button: Jayaram stated that he had researched the air embolism info whilst he was searching for answers. Evans stated that he was the first to come up with it.
These doctors were heading for a lot of trouble, at least two of the 'gang of four were potentially at risk of medical manslaughter charges before the focus was redirected towards Lucy. To me this makes it make sense.
What a monumental cock up they have made (thankfully).
My thoughts are often with Lucy and I am pretty damn sure that with the help of 'real' experts, the efforts of people like you, Tasha, Carl, Jabe (et al), the hard bitten journalists like John Sweeney and a great man in Mark McDonald leading the charge, she will be free.
I second everything you say and I also think Evans knew these doctors prior to volunteering his services. I bet they never thought they would come under the microscope. I wonder how they feel now that “Real” Medical Experts are on the case and the world is watching.
@@kjamo4928 Yes totally agree. They were so sure of themselves, who knows what they are whispering to themselves now in their silent places, I hope it's very scary for them, its no more than they deserve.
Thank you Mark ❤
Jane Hutton was the statistician whose report the police and CPS decided not to use. I agree that the prosecution will struggle to buy an expert witness.
It's possible this won't even go to a retrial. The CPS could simply decide there is not enough evidence to convict.
Quote from Evans "It is your duty ,to change your mind, change your opinion as necessary" S4C 17/12/2024.
Jane Hutton, yes, thank you, Bernie. I can't see how a re-trial is viable. Quash the convictions.
It' Not If anymore It's when will Innocent Lucy be FREE. Thanks Mark.
I no longer think that any of this can be explained by confirmation bias or group think on the part of the consultants and experts. This is malice and it is evil. The Drs all know she is innocent. They know and don’t care.
I think you’ve been on to this for a while, Mark. I’m just catching up.
I'm 100% with you on this, esymmetry. They don't believe, genuinely, in Lucy's 'guilt' - but she must remain 'guilty' - to save their careers, reputations etc etc.
All that, Dr. Evans were saying had not been backed up by at least two other research.
I'm confident that other world Neonatologists will agree with Dr. Taylor's point of view.
Dr. Evan's opinion stood on his own to date.
Dr Bohin backed up Evans, as did other 'experts' at the trial. Neither Bohin nor any of the other pros experts at trial wish to speak about this matter - you can imagine why.
I hear David Davis is going to lead a debate in the house of commons in the new year. That's progress.
the interviews on tv says it all..... one doc oh h physacly sick oh the other tears coz no one believed him... get Lucy out ASAP
Yes - indeed. Free Lucy Letby today!
There are Real people standing up for Lucy now...its restored my faith in humanity. The retired ones probably have no commitments more important than this. Any father will be caring what happens to Lucy now.
Imagine this happening to someone you love, this will have affected hundreds of people directly. Not to mention the parents of the babies.OMG!.
I think once Lucy is freed, everyones hearts n minds will be on 'what happened to these babies'??
Mark, I wonder what Justice Thirlwall makes of this weeks revelations???
Hopefully she won't put it down to more 'noise', Mark. Probably will act as though none of it has happened!
and for free...Another thing is simply how E speaks. He speaks in certainties when the other experts are reluctant to speak in such terms. Juries like to hear certainties when they themselves are not sure. Although the language of the new support for Lucy is speaking in more direct (to the lay person ) terms.
It's why he's 'won' every case - except one. And that one rankles with him. He's got it all down to a fine art, or did. But the chickens are coming home to roost now!
The last thing the Thirwall enquiry wants to do is find out what was truly going on in that unit. They would all be out of a place on the useless gravy train they are on 😬🥺
Precisely, Lindsey. They make it so darn obvious, don't they?
Well said Mark. The only thing I would add is I'm glad I'm not a British taxpayer.
i know this is bit of a long shot, but 'the good nurse', movie from 2022, strange such a movie came out at this time.
@@daveJohn-n4g hmm - not heard of ‘the good nurse’ I’ll have to look it up. There are often correlations between media ‘entertainment’ and real life, usually to get us used to an idea. I don’t know if the good nurse of the title turns out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
That sounds interesting, Dave. Will have a look to see if i can find a trailer for it on you tubes! Cheers.
Yes, subliminal predictive programming, and the like - i believe that is very much a thing, too, MsDormy
@@daveJohn-n4g ooh they took out my post!! Must be getting hot!!
@hopeisthething1965 I have a vague recollection of you speaking about someone writing a book, article or something years before Lucy was arrested. They described what would happen. It was back in the summer, when I first started watching your channel.
The evidence about the coroner given to the Thirwall Inquisition is astonishing.
A doctor gave evidence to a coroner, but did not present evidence or even suspicion of deliberate harm. 😱
It would be interesting if that evidence could be traced and published. ☮️
it would be a matter of record from the Inquest. I believe it is, backwoodsbungalow. (including the absence of his 'suspicions' of deliberate harm - how convinced were they - at that point in time though? or is that just being reconstructed as a back-fill now?)
Mark - you would make a brilliant Defence lawyer .
Interesting how one witness. Is also an expert witness.
And yet he eschewed the notion he was an expert himself.
Phil Hammond is also making regular tweets about this case.
That's good to know, Radicalcartoons! Have followed his Private Eye articles over the months. Cheers.
Is Thirlwall being paid for this? Add her to Evans and Goss. How much? Thank you Mark
I hope Lucy Letby is exonerated, and freed… because, I believe the lead consultant, (with his narcissistic “drawer of doom”), accusing LL, has passed the rubicon… absolutely no going back for him now; neither for his co-conspirators.
The use of the word premonition leads the reader to think magically I feel she made an observation rather than had a premonition which is a realistic statement that the public can understand that the doctor was just doing her job not making a guess at what could happen because of the negligence present in the hospital . The language the media is using is feeding into the hysteria that will build momentum for the witch trials they are wanting to reintroduce back into modern society. This case is just an experiment in public persuasion and oppression is getting clearer it has become so thin you can see write through it .
Thanks so much for this, Rosie. I must say it was me who inserted the term premontition. And as you say - observation (and a fear of a likelihood occuring, i suppose) is more accurate as to Alison Timmis's email. I suppose I have used this term as we now know her fears, her observation at the time, her assessment - came to pass. She was absolutely right - about what was going on - and what would continue to go on.
Trying to find out how medical expert, Dewi was paid. Is the expert on the police payroll.
If so it is incredible that the prosecution can use an ‘expert’ whose interests in the case are linked to remuneration.
Apparently, Evans was paid as an expert witness for the prosecution and he was also paid as an independent witness by the court. He admitted this when questioned by John Sweeney but denied the obvious conflict of interest.
Evans was apparently paid an absolute fortune to basically find her guilty No matter what. This man is a Monster and needs locking up for everyoes sake, He's got a long history of destroying people's lives .
My understanding is - paid by Cheshire Police until charge, thereafter paid by CPS.
It's encouraging that Private Eye, as a high profile publication, is raising awareness of the hard medical evidence presented by neonatal experts.
This Private Eye article doesn't seem to highlight the core fact that we now have hard medical evidence that the doctors killed at least two babies, Noah and O. 🤔
The article was written before Monday's press conference. PE comes out on fortnightly Wednesdays.
PE and Hammond went along 100% with the 2020 con. They and Hammond may try as hard as they like with this but they are the MSM.
It seems insane to me that Dewi evens would not be called upon to give evidence at the enquiry. He is the so called expert on how these infant deaths occurred, is he not. What's the point if he isn't made to explain his findings in more detail.
Perhaps a good idea to support Private Eye by buying your own copy rather than just reading it in the supermarket!
It feels like if you are hoping for good legal representation in a situation like this it won’t happen. Only there for very privileged, wealthy people or those being backed by an organisation or charity. Nurses should have insurance against allegations such as this. Insurance to cover legal costs. It should be part of their registration to protect them. Then the CPS, the Police etc will know they are up against a proper defence who will pull out all the stops for their client. Leave no stone unturned. I think they can scent when they have a person vulnerable to prosecution and unable to defend themselves. They are happy to ignore obvious ways to explore if that person could be innocent. Only interested in finding more ways to falsely incriminate. How sad and soulless.
Pretty sure that Evan’s has already paid off as many experts as he possibly can to back up his claims, that’s why they are all wanting to work for free . I feel this stage of the game is about infecting more people and destroying more lives with lies , finding who they can control and corrupt next is the ultimate goal. Evan’s and gang have already been given enough money to spread their message I suppose that’s why they gave him so much money at the start of the case because they would have known from the start that this would be how to keep the game going and draw more people into the business.
That's very interesting. Thank you, Rosie. It would seem though that no one will now come forward to back up Evans's claims and assessments. Not even those who backed him, in one form or another, during the trial itself. Whereas a small army of far more qualified people are convinced Evans's work is, as a previous judge termed it, in another case - worthless.
surely the point of tell us how much a fresh expert will trouser is an indirect way of telling, or reminding, us how much evans got
Yes, I take your point, Dottie. Thank you. I think he likely made a bit more than that even.
Question. I read somewhere and asking anyone if this is true: Dr b inserted the needle into baby O lacerating his liver and Dr Gibbs was at the bedside and saw the event ? Isn’t Dr Gibbs the head of the neonatal unit ?
Gibbs was the most 'senior' consultant - in terms of years or experience, i think - but Brearey was the neonatal 'lead' (and Jayaram was the paediatric 'lead')
@ okay. Thank you got it. Things are done differently here in America. So would you say that Dr b was the head of the department while Dr j head of pediatrics? I’m learning so much NHS jargon. Doesn’t mean care is worse in UK. Trust me the rural hospitals in US and many in urban areas are as frightening and run down as NHS ones. And there are probably some cases of worker abuse similar but not as big as the Lucy case. Our hospitals are run privately except for our veterans ( which is run by our federal government, OMG the care is worse than your NHS, ). Thanks for clarifying. Go team Baby O
I meant to say dr b head of neonatology and dr j head of pediatrics
This is an interesting podcast I don't know if there's anything new in there or not
It's to do with the author in private eye
th-cam.com/video/x6iPBaArctg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jm81cUZHBAfPImcw
Thanks, Rollin Party - will take a look.