The best part of Drew/KO's heel turns is that they actually have good reason to be upset, just the way they've gone about getting "revenge" has been extremely heel-ish.
completely agree, same with Finn and his beef with Damien and Rhea... they have legitimate grievances, they are handling it in a petty or unethical way.
As a movie fan, those are the best kinds of villains. Liimonger from black panther is a great modern take on it. Other great ones from wrestling is CM Punk in both his second MITB cash-in and rivalry agianst Jeff Hardy and his turn on both Cena and The Rock, Daniel Bryan after becoming world champion and taking evironmentalism to the crowd, and Bret Hart which ultimately led to the imfamous "double Turn" match with Stone Cold at mania 13.
I really wish those 2 could've had a match. They obviously can't due to Hunter having a pacemaker. Would like to see some promos between the 2 at least.
I love theyre treating the piledriver like a deadly move, and rightfully so. Its a move that broke Austins neck, and is also a move thats actually banned in alot of combat sport's. Edit : my mistake it didn’t break his neck, it bruised his spinal column and caused him temporary paralysis.
Plus, it being common knowledge (relatively speaking) that it was banned for a long time. Makes it feel like KO is unhinged and actually trying to hurt people
@ with exception to the tombstone or the Canadian Destroyer, I think the piledriver in general was an outlawed move for at least 10-15 years minimum. I totally agree, it’s gave KO that thing he’s been missing. I would go as far to say that him doing the package piledriver is the most impactful move he’s done since he stopped doing the apron powerbomb. Which was also a very impactful looking move, hell it made Jericho not wanna take another. 😂
@@FatherJacksBrickit was. Punk pulled it out against Cena in their raw match in 2013 or 2014. When punk lost the belt to Dwayne, it was a match to see who gets him at WM. It should have been a 3riple 3hreat. But I won't get started on that debacle
I’ve gone back and rewatched this package piledriver several times. Each time I think holy crap that was flawless. Kevin’s execution of the move, Cody’s follow through and sell, the referees all instinctively doing the checks to see if Cody’s actually hurt, all of it was a textbook moment. Kevin Owens to me just jumped from one of the greats to one of the best.
I have no doubt Kevin is safe, proof is how he protected Steve Austin in a recent wrestlemania , but the vids great to break it down . Great explanation
I'm such a mark for him...him and Bray Wyatt are the reason why I came back to wrestling ~8 years ago, and he's been my favorite ever since. I would be so happy to see him become World Champion again. Ever since that Goldber travesty I felt he was owed another run with the big one...this time without the cowardly heel shtick, leaving just the perfect blend between comedic douchebag and unhinged badass while being completely humanly relatable
@@AgeofJP You know what's funny, I loved that whole year, and pretty much bailed on watching wrestling after the goldberg match, seeing styles, Steen, Moxley, Rollins, Anderson/Gallows, Bobby Roode, etc. all hit their peak in WWE was so cool, and they all deserved their runs. I've only been half paying attention to wrestling, but KO should be talked about for his legacy at this point. He's been doing insanely good work for so long, in so many different roles.
@@Nabbington-fn8ng first time I heard either has broken a neck in their career...which of course they haven't. It's one thing letting someone perform a piledriver, I agree for anyone learning the business it should be treated with utmost care and ideally should simply be avoided...but when it come to oldschool talents from the bygone era who have performed the move literally thousands of times without hurting anyone, then it's fair game as long as the opponent/partner trusts the person enough to perform it on them. KO is literally the ONLY one left from that era that can claim mastery over that move with the evidence to back it up. Sure some others have whipped out a piledriver or two along the years, but KO had it as his finisher for MANY years. If you didn't feel opposed to the Undertaker doing the Tombstone, it would be a double standard to be doubtful of Owens performing the Package Piledriver...this isn't an opening of pandora's box, KO might legitemately be the last wrestler that is trusted with performing a Piledriver...I know he isn't considered "old school" yet, but he's a veteran of his generation, people forget that despite being younger and joining the WWE family much later, he started his amateur career before Randy Orton, Brock Lesner and John Cena joined OVW. On the active roster today he's as old school and trustworthy as it gets. The Piledriver is fading out otherwise, the stigma around it is BAD and wrestlers generally respect that (except for particular "don't give a sh**" styles exclusive to the niche indies)...current NXT stars don't ever practice it.
He does the absolute safest piledriver I’ve seen. Kevin Owens is awesome, very very safe worker takes great care of his opponents. Also I think the reason why he gave Randy so much space is because Randy has a history of neck problems so he wanted to be extra careful.
Only guy imo that does better looking and safer Piledrivers is Chris Hero/Kassius Ohho as he was in the WWE. Bully Ray also imo has a fantastic looking Piledriver.
This package driver was a thing of beauty. His head was far enough that Cody didn’t make contact at all yet watching it in real time looks like his head bounced off the mat. Kevin is such a safe worker. Thumbs up for both of these guys for giving us some water cooler talk.
Orndorff had the best piledriver, it looked like he was going to kill his opponent until you saw the replay that showed his head never touched the mat.
Every time I see a piledriver, I think about what happened to Stone Cold and, going back a while, Octagon in Lucha Libre who was paralyzed by a piledriver. Kudos to KO for protecting his opponents.
If I remember correctly, I think it was Aja Kong that came up with the package version of the piledriver. At least she was the first that I remember seeing that did it.
RVD sold the pile driver like a champ.His head bounced like a basketball on the mat. In contrast, Hawk of LOD no sold pile drivers. He would just stand right up.
Penta El Zero Meido also does the package piledriver. It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of his, not so much because his seems particularly different, but because from what I've seen, Penta tends to do his much more quicky and snappier; like he doesn't bring the other person up so much.
Personally, I'd never consider an overly safe pile-driver a botch. I don't need even a small chance of a wrestler's head spiking the mat to suspend my disbelief as a fan. I know pile-drivers are as real as Santa Claus; neck injuries are horrible and forever. My brain can fill the gap between Orton's head and the mat. Tell a compelling story and I'm good w/ it.
My point is,if it looks too safe/unrealistic,why bother using it at all? There's plenty of moves that look dangerous but aren't that could be used instead.
I agree with both of you. I can suspend some disbelief and still be invested in the story, but also, if the move is going to look kind of bad in irder to donit safely, then maybe not do it I also think alot of it has to do with selling and the camera guy, those things can still make a super save move look really devastating
I think the Orton one would have been fine if they were positioned more away from the hard cam so you didn't just see how obvious it was that Orton was nowhere close. You can see the difference in how dangerous the move looks between the Cody one filmed for TV and the fan cam. On the fan cam his head is more hidden so you don't see that Cody was nowhere close to touching.
@RAD1111able I think you’ve got to consider who does it look too safe/unrealistic too? If they convince the 8 year old boys and girls and the casual older fans I think that’s fine. There’s always going to be more invested fans who know how it all works picking holes in it. But I imagine for most people this was realistic/dangerous looking enough, especially with how they sold it with refs and commentators.
i think if it was anyone other than randy on that piledriver ppl might've been disappointed that it didn't look as impactful but because it is him and nobody wants him hurt it's easy to accept and keep it moving. that piledriver on cody looked brutiful
I wish Stevie would discuss the difference between a Terry Funk style slow falling backwards piledriver, and the Orndorff/Liger style kick the legs out, quick falling piledriver. Which is worse, or harder to take, etc.
You got three of the best in the business here. Not saying accidents don't still happen, but these guys would rather do a "botch" than actually hurt someone.
It's great that WWE sells the piledriver and even brought up the history of it being banned as a move (ignoring the Taker has been doing the Tombstone piledriver as a finisher for decades) unfortunately AEW just uses it as a transition move killing it and how dangerous it actually can be if done wrong
@@dgthe3 but the point is that ALL piledrivers are supposed to be banned in WWE this came from a long time ago as a selling of the dangers of the piledriver
Triple H confrontation with KO finally certifies and elevates KO as the new top emerging heel of WWE. But he's not a heel born out of malice and jealously because Cody is WWE's top guy but he's a misunderstood hero and friend who helped Cody against their common arch enemy Roman Reigns only for Cody back stab everyone who helped him in his time of need and align with Roman to beat Solo's Bloodline. Cody might be babyface on the surface but behind he's a conniving backstabbing politician who joined hands with his arch nemesis and Kevin Owens might be portrayed as the heel but in reality he's a misunderstood hero, he's a man of principles who's doing the right thing. This story has too many chapters and can be played for a long period without bringing an abrupt end to the feud.
I remember hearing Josh Alexander talking about how safe he is with protecting the opponent while using c4 spike because he knows what feels like to have a broken neck and he would never put them at harm big respect to him
I have a question and this isn’t throwing shade at the package piledriver, but does seeing KO do it and the post angle seeing Cody be carted off negate the effectiveness in the future when the move is used as a finisher & not a kayfabe injury spot?
@@kevinadkins8548 i agree that it doesn't hurt to establish the move for somebody else coming it, but it was KO's finish LOOOONG before it was Penta's.
Owen Hart was one of the wrestlers who lead to banning of piledriver in wwf/wwe because of his botch piledriver on austin and now we have another owens(Kevin) who brought the move back
I'd love to see Stevie break down other wrestler's pile drivers. Bret Hart had a solid one, and I wanna say D;Lo Brown had a package piledriver but I might be getting it confused with a sit-out powerbomb. Kanyon I believe also used a piledriver of some kind.
I just find it weird they've taken this long to let anyone do a piledriver on TV despite multiple people at this point doing the Canadian Destroyer with no issues which is also a piledriver.
This was almost completely prefect. The only part i didn't like was after they got Cody on the board and Kevin stood on top of him holding the belt. He should have walked right out of the arena and never looked back.
I actually really enjoyed that part. It reminded me of the TRex roaring standing on its prey after a battle in JP. Which is quite funny because KO has a TRex tattoo on his arm.
@@QAZ-OMEN But its not realistic. If they thought Cody potentially broke his neck they wouldn't have let Kevin anywhere near him.... if Kevin thought he legitimately broke Cody's neck he wouldn't want to hang around to taunt about it, he would want to get out of there before he got held up by security or potentially arrested. I was buying into the potential injury until the second i saw that, and it took me out of it completely.
@@QAZ-OMEN Thats what was different about the Attitude Era and now... everybody overlooks that there was an element of realism and unpredictability that always kept everything in a grey area in the eyes of fans... You never knew when somebody might be going into business for themselves or not. even with all the incremental improvements WWE has made since Triple-H took over, there is still this air of scriptedness that doesn't really let fans question what might have actually been real...
@Robby_C I've been watching since before the Attitude Era, but that didn't stop me from enjoying this little bit of "over the top" at the end. Maybe it had something to do the tattoo, and that I just rewatched the og JP the day before.
@@QAZ-OMEN I've been watching since before the attitude era too... but that was part of what made the attitude era such a cultural phenomenon... that is the magic they are trying to recapture. There is nothing wrong with over the top, but its a matter of knowing the spots... this should have been handled more seriously, and i just think that little bit took it from serious to "just part of the show" right at the last second.... it was perfect up until that exact moment... at least for me.
I seen something that pentagon Jr was a possible signing and this is one of his many deadly moves so I kinda seen this as a opening to allow these moves to actually be on tv with a real damage angle considering how dangerous pentagon is
With Cody's hand "locked up" after the pile driver, what a sell! But if you look again, to me it looks like he's also giving the "ok" sign to the back. I noticed it maybe the third time I watched it. Because his head is SO close to touching.
Big time wrestling nerd moment, but the first I saw the package piledriver was when Aja Kong had her short run in the WWF in the mid-90s. The WWE Vault has the match on TH-cam. Side note, I think Haku has an underrated piledriver.
Stevie gives a genuinely brilliant storyline here. Its not complicated but it works easily. KO gets to be a disgusting heel, theres a number of hurt guys with a potential return match cycle with him afterwards too. People mock the Hogan style that doesn't work for me brother but this has the and then we do this attached to it that Bischoff podcast always mentions was how you could get even likes of Hogan to buy in
Dudes in AEW will take a Piledriver on the steel ring steps and just be up 5 seconds later to do more moves as if nothing happened. I think the worst one I saw was someone took a Piledriver on the apron and just rolled down to the floor and almost immediately stood straight back up.
Just glad the piledriver is making a small comeback never should've been banned. Though between this and Orton it shows that if you restrict a move too one peron or a couple of people, at most, it will always get over
As a wreslting fan i love this stuff. Thank you Stevie. Ill NEVER do this myself but its good to know how a true pro like Kev does it AND how to sell the fuck out of it like Cody.
Watching the piledriver and ddt over the years become moves you see in the middle of matches was so annoying. Saturday Night Main Event was such a breath of fresh air as there wasn’t all the false finishes.
Kevin Owens piledrove Orton and Cody. Both out of commission and taken to the hospital. Meanwhile in aew, during fletcher vs ospreay, will ospreay was dropped on his head like 17 times….for a two count.
I've taken a package piledriver from Brodie Lee during a match. Everyone in back and the crowd all thought he killed me. I would gladly take a piledriver from Owens or The Undertaker.
Just a thought, but I think the announcers / wresters could help put over the idea that the kind of piledriver that Kevin gave to Randy can be just as dangerous or even worse, by putting over the impact/damage to the neck in a twisting / whiplash kind of way rather than the head / compression kind of way that the head hitting the mat does. Comparing it to It would help to make it a safer bump while pushing the damage it can cause. Compare it to injuries from car accidents, hockey / football collisions, etc. It could really add to the lore, while protecting the talent.
I think a version of that piledriver punishment angle pitched by Stevie would be a great angle for Owens heat, maybe going through the Top 5 contenders
It must be reiterated that professional wrestling is not a place for someone who doesn't care about the safety and well being of others. The folks at WWE are all good people.
Fans know the business isn't "real", and I believe most would rather see an exposed "fake" pile driver, than see our favorite wrestlers get hurt. I ignored the exposed pile driver, and continued to buy into, and enjoy the story.
The fact that Randy let Owens perform that move is a testament how how much Owens is trusted because Randy famously likes to be very safe in the ring
I think after the Wrestlemania match with Stone Cold, Kevin is trusted as one of the safest guys on the roster.
Dude wrestled Stone Cold on the 20s and made it 5 stars
You have to look at the history of him doing that move. He's done that to Sami Zayn on a ladder and he was fine.
There's a reason he worked Austin
The package piledriver looks way safer than the normal piledriver however them bringing it back like they did with the punt kick for Randy is great
Hulk Hogan talking to Randy Orton after that driver: "Oooohhh, he got you, brother"
@@aorg9793 and then Hogan would say he got it too, watching the replay. 😀
Hogan just came out and said that Kevin "hurt" Cody and now he owes him one.😂😂😂😂😂
Undertaker has risen in the chat
Get Ortons wife and kids on the phone.
Hogan being asked to take a pile driver: "That doesn't work for me, brother"
The best part of Drew/KO's heel turns is that they actually have good reason to be upset, just the way they've gone about getting "revenge" has been extremely heel-ish.
completely agree, same with Finn and his beef with Damien and Rhea... they have legitimate grievances, they are handling it in a petty or unethical way.
@@Robby_C Yeah, Finn, Drew, and Kevin are all in the group of "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" heels and I love them for it.
Seth might join the trend soon, and we'll see the 3 man power trip haters of the year squad.
As a movie fan, those are the best kinds of villains. Liimonger from black panther is a great modern take on it. Other great ones from wrestling is CM Punk in both his second MITB cash-in and rivalry agianst Jeff Hardy and his turn on both Cena and The Rock, Daniel Bryan after becoming world champion and taking evironmentalism to the crowd, and Bret Hart which ultimately led to the imfamous "double Turn" match with Stone Cold at mania 13.
The only guy who cost Drew the title from the Bloodline was Solo lol. Jimmy and Jay weren't even at Clash At The Castle.
Triple H coming out and yelling at Kevin really sold it.
I really wish those 2 could've had a match. They obviously can't due to Hunter having a pacemaker.
Would like to see some promos between the 2 at least.
Meh. It takes me out of it. TF is he coming out to get himself over for?
“Banned” lol
I love theyre treating the piledriver like a deadly move, and rightfully so. Its a move that broke Austins neck, and is also a move thats actually banned in alot of combat sport's.
Edit : my mistake it didn’t break his neck, it bruised his spinal column and caused him temporary paralysis.
Plus, it being common knowledge (relatively speaking) that it was banned for a long time. Makes it feel like KO is unhinged and actually trying to hurt people
@ with exception to the tombstone or the Canadian Destroyer, I think the piledriver in general was an outlawed move for at least 10-15 years minimum.
I totally agree, it’s gave KO that thing he’s been missing. I would go as far to say that him doing the package piledriver is the most impactful move he’s done since he stopped doing the apron powerbomb. Which was also a very impactful looking move, hell it made Jericho not wanna take another. 😂
@@FatherJacksBrick It has been 24 years. This was a great way to put heat on Owens.
@@AlexanderUbel I swear it was used in a match in like 2013, I wanna say it was Punk & Cena? I could be completely wrong though.
@@FatherJacksBrickit was. Punk pulled it out against Cena in their raw match in 2013 or 2014. When punk lost the belt to Dwayne, it was a match to see who gets him at WM. It should have been a 3riple 3hreat. But I won't get started on that debacle
I’ve gone back and rewatched this package piledriver several times. Each time I think holy crap that was flawless. Kevin’s execution of the move, Cody’s follow through and sell, the referees all instinctively doing the checks to see if Cody’s actually hurt, all of it was a textbook moment. Kevin Owens to me just jumped from one of the greats to one of the best.
and some says it was the worst they ever seen ... probably some brainless aew fans but still some said that .. i was like wtf
I have no doubt Kevin is safe, proof is how he protected Steve Austin in a recent wrestlemania , but the vids great to break it down . Great explanation
Kevin Steen's "package piledriver" is one of my favorite moves from his arsenal.
He's one of the most underrated talents in wrestling today.
I'm such a mark for him...him and Bray Wyatt are the reason why I came back to wrestling ~8 years ago, and he's been my favorite ever since. I would be so happy to see him become World Champion again. Ever since that Goldber travesty I felt he was owed another run with the big one...this time without the cowardly heel shtick, leaving just the perfect blend between comedic douchebag and unhinged badass while being completely humanly relatable
moveset* 😉
@@AgeofJP You know what's funny, I loved that whole year, and pretty much bailed on watching wrestling after the goldberg match, seeing styles, Steen, Moxley, Rollins, Anderson/Gallows, Bobby Roode, etc. all hit their peak in WWE was so cool, and they all deserved their runs. I've only been half paying attention to wrestling, but KO should be talked about for his legacy at this point. He's been doing insanely good work for so long, in so many different roles.
The big thing is allowing people who have proven they can do it safely to do it like Owens and the undertaker.
Lol they've both broken necks
And aj styles broke people with styles clash - it ain't ballet, shit happens, injury can happen anytime
@@Nabbington-fn8ngno bud
@@Nabbington-fn8ng first time I heard either has broken a neck in their career...which of course they haven't.
It's one thing letting someone perform a piledriver, I agree for anyone learning the business it should be treated with utmost care and ideally should simply be avoided...but when it come to oldschool talents from the bygone era who have performed the move literally thousands of times without hurting anyone, then it's fair game as long as the opponent/partner trusts the person enough to perform it on them.
KO is literally the ONLY one left from that era that can claim mastery over that move with the evidence to back it up.
Sure some others have whipped out a piledriver or two along the years, but KO had it as his finisher for MANY years.
If you didn't feel opposed to the Undertaker doing the Tombstone, it would be a double standard to be doubtful of Owens performing the Package Piledriver...this isn't an opening of pandora's box, KO might legitemately be the last wrestler that is trusted with performing a Piledriver...I know he isn't considered "old school" yet, but he's a veteran of his generation, people forget that despite being younger and joining the WWE family much later, he started his amateur career before Randy Orton, Brock Lesner and John Cena joined OVW.
On the active roster today he's as old school and trustworthy as it gets.
The Piledriver is fading out otherwise, the stigma around it is BAD and wrestlers generally respect that (except for particular "don't give a sh**" styles exclusive to the niche indies)...current NXT stars don't ever practice it.
Sami callihan same
He does the absolute safest piledriver I’ve seen. Kevin Owens is awesome, very very safe worker takes great care of his opponents. Also I think the reason why he gave Randy so much space is because Randy has a history of neck problems so he wanted to be extra careful.
Only guy imo that does better looking and safer Piledrivers is Chris Hero/Kassius Ohho as he was in the WWE. Bully Ray also imo has a fantastic looking Piledriver.
@@Noobie2k7those are not package pile drivers.
Not just the safest, but the best-looking. Shit looks like he killed him.
This package driver was a thing of beauty. His head was far enough that Cody didn’t make contact at all yet watching it in real time looks like his head bounced off the mat. Kevin is such a safe worker. Thumbs up for both of these guys for giving us some water cooler talk.
That's what really made it look devastating. It looked like his friggin head bounced. Very professionally given and taken spot.
I remember how strongly the announcers used to sell the piledriver as a lethal move. It was a great finisher for Paul Orndorff.
Mad Dog Vachon used the "banned" piledriver to great effect to get heat and then sold it was a move "Banned in three states".
Orndorff had the best piledriver, it looked like he was going to kill his opponent until you saw the replay that showed his head never touched the mat.
Orndorff and Lawler
Macho man had the best pole driver
Adam Pearce has a good one same with Terry Funk
This is a brilliant use of the piledriver. Make it rare for occasions like this.
Fantastic breakdown as usual.
Every time I see a piledriver, I think about what happened to Stone Cold and, going back a while, Octagon in Lucha Libre who was paralyzed by a piledriver. Kudos to KO for protecting his opponents.
The same thing happened to Darren Drozdov, I believe
No that was a powerbomb i think@@jasonx1174
@jasonx1174 it was a sit down power bomb with droz
I wouldn't do a piledriver I can tell you that much. It's just too risky.
@jasonx1174 oh yeah that's right
If I remember correctly, I think it was Aja Kong that came up with the package version of the piledriver. At least she was the first that I remember seeing that did it.
This is true, but Aja tended to only hook the legs, whereas Owens and others hook the arms as well
It’s so nice to see the piledriver actually treated as a devastating move again.
RVD would take a piledriver bump and bounce up into the air upon impact- it was awesome.
ECW November To Remember 1997 when Tommy Dreamer did it to him. That was brilliant.
I still have no clue how the hell he did that
Dude RVD was and still is unreal. I remember watching one night stand 2007 and man, his selling in that match was AWESOME
RVD sold the pile driver like a champ.His head bounced like a basketball on the mat. In contrast, Hawk of LOD no sold pile drivers. He would just stand right up.
Thanks for the love Stevie! I Love your content
Penta El Zero Meido also does the package piledriver. It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of his, not so much because his seems particularly different, but because from what I've seen, Penta tends to do his much more quicky and snappier; like he doesn't bring the other person up so much.
That and sometimes he’ll run forward a few steps to add an extra UMPH to it
I think Penta will be using that arm snap breaker he uses as a signature to set up an armbar as a finish combo in the E.
I waited years to finally see Kevin Steen do a Package Piledriver
Personally, I'd never consider an overly safe pile-driver a botch. I don't need even a small chance of a wrestler's head spiking the mat to suspend my disbelief as a fan. I know pile-drivers are as real as Santa Claus; neck injuries are horrible and forever. My brain can fill the gap between Orton's head and the mat. Tell a compelling story and I'm good w/ it.
My point is,if it looks too safe/unrealistic,why bother using it at all? There's plenty of moves that look dangerous but aren't that could be used instead.
I agree with both of you. I can suspend some disbelief and still be invested in the story, but also, if the move is going to look kind of bad in irder to donit safely, then maybe not do it
I also think alot of it has to do with selling and the camera guy, those things can still make a super save move look really devastating
I think the Orton one would have been fine if they were positioned more away from the hard cam so you didn't just see how obvious it was that Orton was nowhere close. You can see the difference in how dangerous the move looks between the Cody one filmed for TV and the fan cam. On the fan cam his head is more hidden so you don't see that Cody was nowhere close to touching.
@RAD1111able I think you’ve got to consider who does it look too safe/unrealistic too? If they convince the 8 year old boys and girls and the casual older fans I think that’s fine. There’s always going to be more invested fans who know how it all works picking holes in it. But I imagine for most people this was realistic/dangerous looking enough, especially with how they sold it with refs and commentators.
i think if it was anyone other than randy on that piledriver ppl might've been disappointed that it didn't look as impactful but because it is him and nobody wants him hurt it's easy to accept and keep it moving. that piledriver on cody looked brutiful
I wish Stevie would discuss the difference between a Terry Funk style slow falling backwards piledriver, and the Orndorff/Liger style kick the legs out, quick falling piledriver. Which is worse, or harder to take, etc.
Absolutely agree that the move should be used as a piece of story and not a match move unless it’s a big match to go with it
Thank you for explaining this because I get scared seeing anyone take a piledriver. (No, I'm not being sarcastic.)
You got three of the best in the business here. Not saying accidents don't still happen, but these guys would rather do a "botch" than actually hurt someone.
Same, the mechanics of a piledriver always seems risky to me
I’d take pile drivers all day from Ryno- those thighs, your head is not gonna bump the canvas
The scariest moment when I was training wasn't the superplex, it was the piledriver. It is legitimately frightening knowing what could happen.
It's great that WWE sells the piledriver and even brought up the history of it being banned as a move (ignoring the Taker has been doing the Tombstone piledriver as a finisher for decades) unfortunately AEW just uses it as a transition move killing it and how dangerous it actually can be if done wrong
A sit-out piledriver is obviously different from a tombstone piledriver.
@@dgthe3 but the point is that ALL piledrivers are supposed to be banned in WWE this came from a long time ago as a selling of the dangers of the piledriver
@drakependragon8439 The tombstone was never banned.
People saying wrestling is all fake should watch this.
Paul Orndorff's piledriver is one of the best finishers of all time.
I will never forger Hogan twitching on the mat. That was the first heel turn I ever saw as a kid.
Orndorff jumped when doing the move which made it look more devastating. But his opponents head never hit the mat.
Kevin Owens is one of the best. He's been doing since 20 years.
Triple H confrontation with KO finally certifies and elevates KO as the new top emerging heel of WWE. But he's not a heel born out of malice and jealously because Cody is WWE's top guy but he's a misunderstood hero and friend who helped Cody against their common arch enemy Roman Reigns only for Cody back stab everyone who helped him in his time of need and align with Roman to beat Solo's Bloodline. Cody might be babyface on the surface but behind he's a conniving backstabbing politician who joined hands with his arch nemesis and Kevin Owens might be portrayed as the heel but in reality he's a misunderstood hero, he's a man of principles who's doing the right thing. This story has too many chapters and can be played for a long period without bringing an abrupt end to the feud.
I remember hearing Josh Alexander talking about how safe he is with protecting the opponent while using c4 spike because he knows what feels like to have a broken neck and he would never put them at harm big respect to him
This is why I love wrestling. It's art. Live performance where anything can go wrong, but WWE has top caliber professionals.
Thank you yet again for another Awesome episode. I have an ever deepening respect for all that goes into a "proper Wrestling match"
Penta is coming, that is a big reason this move is permitted.
Yep. Penta’s finisher is a package piledriver
No, the reason the move is being permitted is because Vince is gone.
@@Robby_Ctwo things can be true at the same time.
I have a question and this isn’t throwing shade at the package piledriver, but does seeing KO do it and the post angle seeing Cody be carted off negate the effectiveness in the future when the move is used as a finisher & not a kayfabe injury spot?
@@kevinadkins8548 i agree that it doesn't hurt to establish the move for somebody else coming it, but it was KO's finish LOOOONG before it was Penta's.
Owen Hart was one of the wrestlers who lead to banning of piledriver in wwf/wwe because of his botch piledriver on austin and now we have another owens(Kevin) who brought the move back
Kevin picked his ring name to honour the youngest Hart brother.
I'd love to see Stevie break down other wrestler's pile drivers. Bret Hart had a solid one, and I wanna say D;Lo Brown had a package piledriver but I might be getting it confused with a sit-out powerbomb. Kanyon I believe also used a piledriver of some kind.
Owen hart didn’t have a great one ;)
Nah D'Lo was a modified sitout powerbomb, kind of a (subjectively) better version of KO's pop up. Steiner Screwdriver was essentially a piledriver tho
5:25 it's called a fencing response the worse is when your arm shoots out along with crimped up hands
A MASTERFUL sell job by Cody Rhodes. I LEGIT marked out over that simple little nuance. Now THAT'S professional wrestling!! 👏👏👏👏👏
this is some really good insight, this is why Stevie is such a valuable asset to the wrestling community!! thank you Stevie
James needs to ask Stevie how he feels about being the reason we got The Dicks tag team in WWE!
On that Orton pile-driver you can tell Orton never hit by how KO leaned back, almost went to his back. Ko's crotch took the bump on that one lol
I just find it weird they've taken this long to let anyone do a piledriver on TV despite multiple people at this point doing the Canadian Destroyer with no issues which is also a piledriver.
THE WINGED EAGLE IS BACK!!! THANK YOU STEVIE!!!!!!!! 😊
Stevie richards is a genius stripping KO of the title shot is perfect punishment
Charles Robinson is a legend 💫
This was almost completely prefect. The only part i didn't like was after they got Cody on the board and Kevin stood on top of him holding the belt. He should have walked right out of the arena and never looked back.
I actually really enjoyed that part. It reminded me of the TRex roaring standing on its prey after a battle in JP. Which is quite funny because KO has a TRex tattoo on his arm.
@@QAZ-OMEN But its not realistic. If they thought Cody potentially broke his neck they wouldn't have let Kevin anywhere near him.... if Kevin thought he legitimately broke Cody's neck he wouldn't want to hang around to taunt about it, he would want to get out of there before he got held up by security or potentially arrested.
I was buying into the potential injury until the second i saw that, and it took me out of it completely.
@@QAZ-OMEN Thats what was different about the Attitude Era and now... everybody overlooks that there was an element of realism and unpredictability that always kept everything in a grey area in the eyes of fans... You never knew when somebody might be going into business for themselves or not.
even with all the incremental improvements WWE has made since Triple-H took over, there is still this air of scriptedness that doesn't really let fans question what might have actually been real...
@Robby_C I've been watching since before the Attitude Era, but that didn't stop me from enjoying this little bit of "over the top" at the end. Maybe it had something to do the tattoo, and that I just rewatched the og JP the day before.
@@QAZ-OMEN I've been watching since before the attitude era too... but that was part of what made the attitude era such a cultural phenomenon... that is the magic they are trying to recapture.
There is nothing wrong with over the top, but its a matter of knowing the spots... this should have been handled more seriously, and i just think that little bit took it from serious to "just part of the show" right at the last second.... it was perfect up until that exact moment... at least for me.
I seen something that pentagon Jr was a possible signing and this is one of his many deadly moves so I kinda seen this as a opening to allow these moves to actually be on tv with a real damage angle considering how dangerous pentagon is
Cody's pile-driver looked extremely close! Well done!
Please bring old school belts back. I might watchers again after 20 years
It's good you guys are covering this it's still dangerous.
Thanks for the breakdown Stevie!
Thanks for the breakdown Stevie, much appreciated! 👍
THis is beautiful move performed safely, it was one of the safest piledrivers I have ever seen.
The fact that they trust KO to work with Cody says it all. Perfectly executed, good sell by Cody.
My wife literally screamed when she saw Cody get package piledriver. She started cussing at Kevin on TV. 😂 She thought he killed him. It was great.
This shows the trust Cody has with Kevin and this story is great 👍 love the channel!
Its also harder for kevin to handle randy because randy is 300 lbs now
When CM Punk came back he said "I'm not here to make friends I'm here to make money" ..... And then it was never mentioned again.
Kevin Owens's Package Piledriver looks great, I hope he used it more often in pay per view fights as its final finisher.
With Cody's hand "locked up" after the pile driver, what a sell! But if you look again, to me it looks like he's also giving the "ok" sign to the back. I noticed it maybe the third time I watched it. Because his head is SO close to touching.
Yo ..I love ya mane.. your videos are so enjoyable. Love the breakdown of this
Big time wrestling nerd moment, but the first I saw the package piledriver was when Aja Kong had her short run in the WWF in the mid-90s. The WWE Vault has the match on TH-cam.
Side note, I think Haku has an underrated piledriver.
Stevie gives a genuinely brilliant storyline here. Its not complicated but it works easily. KO gets to be a disgusting heel, theres a number of hurt guys with a potential return match cycle with him afterwards too. People mock the Hogan style that doesn't work for me brother but this has the and then we do this attached to it that Bischoff podcast always mentions was how you could get even likes of Hogan to buy in
16:00 this idea reminds me of Mark Henry's Hall of Pain run
Surprised Stevie didn't bring up how often AEW do piledrivers and treat it as just another move and talent kick out at 2
chairshots used to be a finisher, but ECW turned chairshots into regular moves that never end a match
Dudes in AEW will take a Piledriver on the steel ring steps and just be up 5 seconds later to do more moves as if nothing happened. I think the worst one I saw was someone took a Piledriver on the apron and just rolled down to the floor and almost immediately stood straight back up.
@@Noobie2k7 that sounds like something Sabu would do, LOL
They're treating this like Randys punt, and I love it
Just glad the piledriver is making a small comeback never should've been banned. Though between this and Orton it shows that if you restrict a move too one peron or a couple of people, at most, it will always get over
Penta El Zero Meido also does the package piledriver. he does the best one.
The cody piledriver looks very brutal
Kevin performs the best piledrivers I’ve seen so far
Owens pile driver was beautifully executed. ❤
KO is one of the safest wrestler I’ve seen in a long time…and he makes these moves look devastating.
Future HOF for sure
It is probably the safest piledriver you are going to see
I say its on par with Kane on Linda McMahon
As a wreslting fan i love this stuff. Thank you Stevie. Ill NEVER do this myself but its good to know how a true pro like Kev does it AND how to sell the fuck out of it like Cody.
Tiger Driver 91: Omega kick outs
Lightest piledriver ever: Orton on a stretcher
Kevin Owen's is the safest guy I can think of for this move to work and look legit
I'd like the same done for the DDT.
Watching the piledriver and ddt over the years become moves you see in the middle of matches was so annoying. Saturday Night Main Event was such a breath of fresh air as there wasn’t all the false finishes.
I'm good with the Orton one. They did tge responsible thing given his injury history.
Kevin Owens piledrove Orton and Cody. Both out of commission and taken to the hospital.
Meanwhile in aew, during fletcher vs ospreay, will ospreay was dropped on his head like 17 times….for a two count.
I laughed when Owens did the Orton piledriver, he basically fell on his back with Orton on top of him.
If Iwas ever a wrestler, I would fully trust my fellow Canadian Kevein Steen to do this and protect me.
I've taken a package piledriver from Brodie Lee during a match. Everyone in back and the crowd all thought he killed me. I would gladly take a piledriver from Owens or The Undertaker.
Kevin Owens is literally being bald Randy Orton in 08. Except instead of the punt it’s the pile driver.
Days later after Kevin Owens did the Piledriver on Randy Orton both were seen looking at a car
😂😂😂😂😂
Just a thought, but I think the announcers / wresters could help put over the idea that the kind of piledriver that Kevin gave to Randy can be just as dangerous or even worse, by putting over the impact/damage to the neck in a twisting / whiplash kind of way rather than the head / compression kind of way that the head hitting the mat does. Comparing it to It would help to make it a safer bump while pushing the damage it can cause. Compare it to injuries from car accidents, hockey / football collisions, etc. It could really add to the lore, while protecting the talent.
I'm with you Stevie. Bring back the old belts and the old title format. That winged eagle title is still the most prestigious belt in wrestling
The old NWA big belt
I think a version of that piledriver punishment angle pitched by Stevie would be a great angle for Owens heat, maybe going through the Top 5 contenders
I can only recommend to go back and watch Kevin's ROH work. You can clearly see the same kind of save work and care he has for his opponents.
I always liked Kawada Toshiaki Ganso Bomb it’s like a Piledriver Powebomb Hybrid Combo
Cody put up the 0 when he was down for Penta who is showing up and does the same move
I absolutely bought it. Very well done by both Athletes.
I have total faith that Cody was safe, but the way he sold it, I genuinely felt like he was hurt in the moment.
Kevin Owens is a great wrestler!He protects his opponent like anybody else dose
The Matt K guy you're talking about used to be on WWE the BUMP. I miss that show.
Neck safety awareness month! 😂😂😂
I think unless it’s a “I was always poor, need to feed my family” type of thing, bringing up doing it for the money would be more of a heel move
Chase Owens in NJPW Bullet Club has used the Package Piledriver for at least 10 years now.
It must be reiterated that professional wrestling is not a place for someone who doesn't care about the safety and well being of others. The folks at WWE are all good people.
What is the difference with the tumstone piledriver?
Fans know the business isn't "real", and I believe most would rather see an exposed "fake" pile driver, than see our favorite wrestlers get hurt. I ignored the exposed pile driver, and continued to buy into, and enjoy the story.