Slugger, I forgave you for your heresy pertaining to the slander of power miners, but this crime cannot go unpunished. Keep a close eye on your Galidor collection.
Okay, but I got a Mars Mission set for $20 dollars from a garage sale that typically goes for $200+ dollars, so I'm going to build it and you can't stop me.
It’s cool for sure, but for me the exceptionalness of the scene hinges more on the dialogue that precedes it. It’s Vader threatening to corrupt Leia to the dark side that sets Luke off: he’s motivated both by selfless desire to protect someone he cares about from being in his current predicament *and* the toxic fear/doubt that Leia might not be able to resist the dark side or otherwise take care of herself. It’s a complex emotional trigger - doubt and stress becoming rage - that has us, the audience, cheering for Luke to ‘get the bad guy’ while also understanding that whether or not he’s doing the right thing, what he’s doing isn’t so healthy. Also, the music 😩
As a kid, I liked Jedi more, but I've found more interest in Empire as an adult more because of the dialogue and wit. Good take! Didn't have to hit me right in the Mars mission though 😂
1:00 As a retail monkey, this one really gets me. "Anything less than a 5 on a customer survey is a zero!" ok then why the boop do we even provide them a five-point scale, why not just have it be yes/no questions
@@docnecrotic exactly. Worked for [redacted] tax co for a while, had to ask customers to rate me out of 10. 1-7 were considered a failure, and less than a 9 average was "grounds for termination." So why have 1-6 at all?
at my last job it was that an 8 was a zero and anything less than 8 was negative ten (and 9 and 10 are the same) -- so if you had a 7, an 8, a 9, and a 10, that's an average of 25%.
What I would love to see is a slug-o-meter between all 3-out-of-3s. A comparison between series and their best sets. And it still wouldn't mean you love one set over an other. It is just a comparison between what were the best the series could offer. It is completly objective
I’m an old fan of sci fi debris and it’s always refreshing to know exactly what a 6 of 10 means from him. Plus his take on psycho Janeway is the best. I totally see why you’ve elevated Jedi over Empire, but it’s ever going to be the other way for me. The Throne Room scenes in Jedi are some of the best if not the best character driven drama in the whole series, and the fight at the Pit of Carkoon is awesome fun, but the silliness of the Jabba’s palace antics, the shoehorning of revelations like Leia bring Luke’s twin and killing off Jabba, boba, Yoda, Vader and the emperor as well as the third act revolving around another assault on another Death Star just takes the whole movie down a peg. Empire was different, had new environments, easily the best cinematography of the series (that dolly shot in Jedi tho), and the overall sense of our heroes being dogged by Vader the entire movie are just a few of the reasons why it’s technically the better movie, even if the script ends in a non-resolution.
I agree with your assessment of the original trilogy. I recently rewatched the despecialised versions, and out of the three I think A New Hope is the strongest, simply because it has a complete arc. It actually moved at a quicker pace than I remember, and I truly enjoyed it. The sequels kind of got bogged down in the larger story - which is fine! They just didn't work as well for me as individual films.
You had me worried that you were gonna be removing the slugometer going forward! I’d miss it so much, I don’t know how you figured out the most satisfying sound possible for it, but you did!
NOT THE MARS MISSION! how did I catch a stray right at the end of the video XD I think I only like mars mission because of lego battles though, so I suppose it's not great in a vacuum.
The title for this video is just the most amazing little touch. P.S. Your channel is like the masterclass for putting in the extra effort and doing the little things right. Keep on sluggin'
I was perfectly accepting of all your wrong opinions until the mars mission dig at the end. Filled me with a level of irrational rage I hadn’t felt on the internet in a while. Well done as always slug.
Before watching, I would have said and loudly “Nay! They descend in quality… relatively of course one through three” but your rationale and calm points resonate with me. I leave the video agreeing in this case, well stated and excellent video!
Haha I loved the faint laughing at the end of the intro. I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts about Empire and you make some good points about contrivance I had not considered before. However, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on why some of the contrivance in Jedi isn't as incriminating to you. To me, the start of Jedi could always be described as "A hero joins Jabba as a spy, just so that another hero duo can enter his palace to save the day, but instead get captured, so that another hero duo can enter the palace and save the day, but instead get captured, so that another hero can enter the palace and save the day, but instead get captured, so that all of the heroes can save the day from the inside, all for the purpose of saving Han from Jabba's capture." I would be really interested on what you think about those scenes. Great video as always, Slugger!
You’re definitely right to point that out - to me, the difference is that the questionable throughline in Empire pulls me out of the film *as I’m watching it* whereas this bit of clunky logic in Jedi only really annoys me in retrospect. I’m still able to *engage* with Jedi in a way that I seem to be incapable of with Empire, if that makes sense?
@@RRSlugger That makes sense to me! I personally think the start of Jedi pulls me out of the film a little bit, but will probably not bother me as much as the issues in Empire your point out just because the starting scenes are exciting, fun, and the contrivance ends as soon as they're over. Really appreciate the response. To me, Han's ship being constantly under repair and out of hyperspace gas feels in character for him, even if they've been alone doing nothing for three years. But I don't think I'll ever be able to rewatch the film without wondering how on Earth Luke landed right next to Yoda since you've pointed it out haha.
@@RRSlugger Haha it works for some, but I've always found that type of excuse to be narratively lacking. It's like saying "because magic" in any narrative including non-scientific fantasy. I think the most satisfying excuse, which is not to say that it's satisfying, is to simply say "it has to be that way for the story". Which I think sounds lame but is at least a bit more honest than other contrived nonsense haha. Appreciate the discussion :)
Okay, you're gonna need to back up what you said about Mars Mission one of these days! Whaddya mean "thats just the nostalgia talking?" I'm being serious! :p
I really appreciate the nuance in your videos. Another great feature of the Slugometer over the out-of-10 system I feel is that it allows for a lot more nuanced discussion: "Why does one person feel this set falls short of the rest", where as an out-of-10 system seems to spiral into the same thing repeated over and over again when no one wants to rate anything under a 6 unless everyone else already thinks that. Definitely looking to see a return of the Slugometer in the future!
The Mars Mission comment was worth watching this entire video, so glad I found this channel, LEGO is one of my favorite things ever and your humor is right up my alley lol.
1) slugometer is a great metric 2) man, you nailed a little of what makes Jedi rule and Empire, transitional. 3) glad you didn't touch on why New Hope was a 3 cuz OF COURSE it is.
I’m one of the seemingly rare few that liked Return of the Jedi with the Ewoks the most. The Jabba scenes were so cool, and Boba Fett just dies unceremoniously, such a minor character at first but had like half the story based around him later on cause of his helmet design and _edge_ factor. I couldn’t stay awake for Empire Strikes Back as a kid. Speaking of Stars hopefully I can get a Star Mail submission sent by the deadline, if not I’ll just share some LEGO pictures in a correspondence sometime. Long live the Summer of Slug, may there be *several* more!!
Within the context of Slugger videos meant to stir up and tip over the steaming hot LEGO and Sci-Fi Fans TH-cam pot, this one deserves three out of three extra-large, wedged, curved, shell-shaped LEGO bricks! Well done, sir! (With these three bricks in hand, good luck building a symmetrical spaceship)
"Unless you like Mars Mission. Then you're just wrong." What about just liking a small section of Mars Mission, the alien vehicles? The rest of the theme was pretty marred but I do love me the Grox-esque vehicles
For legal purposes I should state, this is a joke. Even though I enjoyed Mars Mission in my childhood, I understand the shortcomings for myself and from others in the decade and a half since it's release.
Omg I agree with you on every single thing you said about ROTJ lol. Though it would be a 3 slugs to me 😬. As for Empire I think I appreciate it more thanks to the videogames set during or a short time after it rather than the movie itself. Something similar to how I feel about the prequels. You make a good point about the rating systems, 1-10 definitely doesn't work. And at least so far you haven't cheated by rating with half slugs lol
I got all but like 5 of the Mars Mission sets for the equivalent of 100 USD in non-played-with condition on an online auction, with pick-up locally. That stuff was a major part of the sets that I constantly drooled over in the Lego catalogue, but never got more than two of the smaller sets of, not counting a couple of the puny minifigure-with-pathetic-sidebuild sets.
Now THAT would be fun! I think I could do the original six movies against each other real quick: Star Trek I: 2 Slugs Star Trek II: 3 Slugs Star Trek III: 2 Slugs Star Trek IV: 2 Slugs Star Trek V: 1 Slug Star Trek VI: 3 Slugs I don't think I'm really breaking any new ground with that though, haha. I think it's generally agreed upon that Wrath Of Khan and Undiscovered Country are the best of the bunch.
@@RRSlugger Well, thanks for the answer! I've always personally been a massive fan of IV, but that's mostly because of how silly it is without being idiotic like V. What about the TNG films?
@@memyselfishness TNG is tough because I think they're all pretty bad in their own way. 😅 If pressured though, it might look something like this: Generations: 3 Slugs First Contact: 2 Slugs Insurrection: 2 Slugs Nemesis: 1 Slug I really don't like how "dumb action movie" First Contact is, but I just can't rank it alongside the likes of Nemesis, haha.
I'm excited about the SF Debris recommendation! Going to check that out. My longtime go-to Star Trek reviewer is Jammer's Reviews. I don't remember him ever explicitly stating that his 4-star rating system is relative, but it definitely is. A 3-star Discovery episode is nowhere near a 3-star DS9 episode. I imagine you watched the Lower Decks finale this week? My heart is hurting from the conclusion of that show. Hoping for a spin-off 🖖 Also refreshing to hear your take on the original Star Wars movies relative to each other! I've always felt similarly, but usually find myself alone in that opinion 😂
@@RRSlugger Indeed! Awesome that you still have some of it to look forward to though 🙂 My partner and I have found that the show has great rewatch value (I think that's a hallmark of good Star Trek, in general).
@@Bionickpunk It's coming... they're going to make it happen. 💀💀💀 We're already at the point where people jump in and cry "prequel slander" with Star Wars, goodness gracious. 😭
I remember when I was a wee young'un, I had very limited experience with & knowledge of Star Wars. This mostly came from seeing parts of the occasional episode on Spike & the visual dictionaries for episodes 2 & 3 plus the OT, and I didn't know that Han Solo got thawed out in Episode 6, so for a pretty long time I just thought he stayed frozen forever.
There are two rating systems i saw that I really liked. One was on letterboxd where you have half a star up to five stars and one guy I saw used these stars like this: 1 star- never watching again, 2 stars- I dont seek to watch it again, 3 stars- I would watch it again, 4 stars- one of my favourites and 5 stars- I make you watch it with me. I really liked that. The other one is a small german youtuber. He has 1 to 8 points. 8 point is something like "watch it in cinema", 7 is "watch it if you are interested", 6 is "watch it on blu ray", 5 is "watch it on tv eventually", 4 is "watch it with friends with a beer" and so on. I dont remember the exact scoring. Both I really liked
With Star Wars, the Force is a perfectly good explanation for plot armor, up to a point. Like, a Jedi, with their strong connection with the Force, not getting hit by blaster shots could be explained as something of a passive Force ability of some sort. But, a character with a supposedly low connection to the Force, like Han Solo, not getting hit can't be so easily explained away. Sometimes it's more situational, like when they escaped the Death Star after rescuing Leia, the Stormtroopers were ordered to let them escape because they had planted a tracking device, resulting in them "missing", or at least that's the going theory. You don't need the Force to explain away every inconsistency.
Return is my favorite of the OT specifically because it manages to juggle so much; Luke tossing the lightsaber away to me is the single best moment of the entire saga; and I love how him doing that puts everything else into place so that the good guys win. Also, if you don't like Ewoks, i'm sorry, i can't help your cold dead heart. But my favorite sequence in the whole saga is the last 10-20 minutes of Revenge of the Sith; I love both hearbreaking and beautiful it is. probably my favorite montage in any movie; crosscutting the death of the republic, his love, his life with Anakin's rebirth as a frankenstein's monster; then the beauty of the future; the rise of a New Hope.
The best thing about any TH-cam ranking system is that none of them really matter. Not saying that as a slight (as a fellow ranker), but since pretty much everyone is presenting their subject by the authority of themself, there isn't any real right or wrong behind the reasoning. I've found new appreciation for themes I never gave a second thought to after seeing them ranked against other things I'm familiar with. ALSO... and I hate that I feel the need to speak on this.. BUT HERE'S MY TWO CENTS ON ONE OF YOUR POINTS ABOUT YOUR INCORRECT OPINION ON EMPIRE. The issue isn't that "Han can't fix his ship," it's that "Han is fixing his own ship." He's based off the classic "cool guy," and every classic cool guy has an old car they are constantly working on. He doesn't take it to a shop to get it fixed, he doesn't trash it when it probably should be trashed.. he diagnoses it and tries to fix it.. WHILE ESCAPING AND GETTING SHOT AT! That's just cool. Even at the end when Lando's crew was supposed to finish the repairs, Han already new what it needed. Anyway, good video. I always like Star Wars debates and I'll play either side.
9:27 A better question why isn't the slug o meter factual? Like in my 10 years of being press showing off thousands of video games and hundreds of unboxed things I keep my rating system of "Is it worth it or not and but why?" To the facts with very little opion and I let my bias be known... Why? It's what my audience wants and expects as they want to know should they spend their hobby dollar on it or not. Which as far as I know cold hard cash is very facula so should be rating systems then inform purchasing decisions.
But stating whether or not “something is worth it” is, in itself, an opinion. To be completely honest, I find *that* system to be even more subjective than just ranking the sets against each other like I do here, as not everyone is going to have the same relationship with money to judge its “worth”. There’s nothing factual about me saying the new LEGO DeLorean is “worth it” if the price tag on it is unthinkable for some viewers, if that makes sense?
@@RRSluggerTrue and how I do it is compare everything to everything in the modern day using experience and again facts like piece count, completion time, Number of prints/unique peices, content, Mini figs, graphics, is it a possible investment but I rarely need to go outside of it's direct compation... While yes to some free is the only option when video games are concerned does not mean that factually all $1 dollar games are not worth it to the rest of the veiwsers? And that is unfair to people who can pay that and the companies that made them and really the industry/community as a whole as all industries have standards like 100 pieces for $10 for lego...Which I'm this way because my audnce wants to know the facts like how it compaires to other things for the money and why. That is just my niche much like the slug o meter is yours which we are not so different in how we use our meters very similarly to the viewer anyway as we add "but" to the end. So my meter is less a score then a friend telling a friend should they buy it and why.
the absolute chaos of a roller-coaster this is: first explaining the history of the Slugometer and some beta forms, then into some serious commentary on what it means, then dissing on Star Wars and Star Trek and then to finish it off a 2second outro dissing on Mars Mission D: in Slugger's own words, he kicked TWO hornets' nests today
I feel Star Wars works best when the villains are on top and the heroes seem on the edge of losing everything. Even if the heroes win it comes at considerable effort and cost. This is best exemplified by: A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Andor, Rogue One, Solo, and Revenge of the Sith. Return of the Jedi is undone for me by the Ewoks. Cute is fine but like my adorable Cat they needed a vicious side. Chewbacca works because he's adorable but piss him off and he's terrifying. The ewoks just come off as bumbling and dorky, it undermines the other story threads.
That's fair - what works for you, works for you! I just find that folks WAY overemphasize how much of a role the Ewoks play in Return Of The Jedi - there is so much more to the movie than the Ewoks throwing rocks at Stormtroopers, yet that seems to be all that folks remember about it.
Don’t forget that Ewoks are cannibals, judge how they appear all you like but remember that they didn’t hesitate to try to cook Han and leia like roasted duck
@@SeriousRyno Wookiees are tall but not many are buff along with that they are more civilized (like the only one that we saw fight in the original trilogy was chewy and he has shown that he can rip a dude’s arms off in Solo), Ewoks how ever are stubby and feral, but are intelligent enough to hunt and make spears. It’s like which one can you fight a giant lion or a hundred angry cats? My response to this is that I probably wouldn’t beat neither tbh
Perhaps even more controversial: while many of the special edition changes and new scenes are frankly pointless, things like the updated Palpatine Hologram in Empire and the prequel era planets in the celebration at the end of Jedi are huge improvements
I feel the celebration is a terrible change - bad worldbuilding - the empire obviously didn't lose overnight. Focusing on just the rebels and heroes celebrating with the ewoks feels better, its personal, feels climactic, but is contained.
@@forrestpenrod2294 The Empire didnt fall in a day...but the New Republic sure did...ah the sequels, what an absolute mess of a trilogy (If I can even call it a trilogy due to how incoherent all three of the movies are with each other them having no idea where the story was suppose to go).
I am in near-complete agreement with both haves of this video! Quantitative scoring systems can be useful, but you are right that they are too often thrown around with little thought given to what they represent. Despite what you may think, I’ve always thought that you’ve been very conscientious about making the audience understand how you’re using the Slugometer. And as for Empire, I’ve always felt the same. It may be better in certain ways, such as in the cinematography, but the narrative is much too loose and feels like it spends a lot of its runtime spinning its wheels. It may have some of the trilogy’s highest points, but it doesn’t work as well as a complete film as much as A New Hope or Jedi.
Bouy i can't wait for "Han can't fix his own ship 2: electric fuse failures" in 2099, but on a more serious note, WHAT!, WHY DIDN'T GET A NOTIFICATION FOR THIS VIDEO?!!! "It's the summer of slug" "Euffhofh **COUGH* **COUGH** " **Slug falls of chair** "It's the summer of- OH MY GOODNESS IS HE OKAY"
The arguments about what someone thought succeeded or failed in a given work are the important part. Whatever rating system or tier list should be thought of as a medium to facilitate that kind of insight, not as the end goal. Mars Mission is great.
Regarding the 10 scale grading. Just recently, as an example: a Star Wars set has a lot of inconsistencies in regards to the movie, is smaller and more expensive than its previous iterations. A reviewer names all of it, mostly criticizes the set and still gives it 7 out of 10. Never understood it, unless it's financial benefit, of course.
None of this is really set in stone as I would have to watch all the movies again but here: How I would rate the film's quality is either Empire, New Hope, Jedi or NH, Empire, Jedi (Though, I have not seen Jedi in a while, planning on watching it sometime soon.) I do remember Empire being the best written, though I would say A New Hope is more solid (as in, it is a good standalone film). Can not make a point on Jedi as I only really remember the second half and the opening it still has the greatest ending out of all of them. It is incredibly emotionally fueled and filled with character payoffs, just really well done. Not the best choreographed fight in the series (That award goes to one of the ones in the prequels, though I can not remember any specifically.) it is the best when it comes to importance to the story and how much it gets us to care about it. Welp, done with my semi-structured ramblings. I love movies and I really like Star Wars, good bye.
0-10 makes sense when you're comparing a larger assortment that falls under the same category, such as "Relative To All Lego Sets Ever (even the ones I have never held in my hands before)" or "Every Movie I Have Ever Seen (based on my memory regardless of my age and experience at the time of viewing)". Personally I think 0-4 is a good metric if you prefer 0 to match the meaning of "so bad it has no redeeming features" or 1-5 if you prefer 3 representing the middle as it somehow feels more balanced in the middle than 2 does. But practically it is the same as going with a 3 point system because 0 and 4 (or 1 and 5 depending on your preference) are just the extremes used to set the parameters and should basically never be used as it would denote something as perfection - perfectly bad or perfectly good. Anyhow, the way you have rated the sets seems the most fair as you interact with every single set within the theme before rating them against each other, rather than rating sets as you go (which has the problem of requiring retroactively updating previous ratings to keep the numbers relevant, and which most reviewers typically don't do). Although personally I would prefer a little more nuance, so 0-6 where you only use 1-5 would be better. Lastly, I also just want to point out that making 1 red, 2 yellow, and 3 green is a bit misleading imo as the color skews the impression of the actual rating a bit (1 doesn't have to be a bad score, just a worse score, but the red color makes me instinctively think its a bad score). But ultimately, my opinion doesn't matter; you do what unhinges you the most. I'm just here for the slander and hot takes. 🤣
The colour thing is definitely a good point and it’s something that Brett and I discussed when making the graphics. In retrospect, maybe it would have been wiser to only make it light up green, no matter the score. 🤔
You forgot to rank the slugometer 😮 ! Don't worry I'll do it for you: given there's only one slugometer, then I give it 3 slugs 🐌🐌🐌. Also, I concur: Mars Mission is the Star Wars prelogy of LEGO space themes
Not to mention how in A new hope, C-3P0 mentions he's not much of a storyteller. And cut to Jedi, and he's narrating the events of the previous movies to the ewoks, with sounds and all. Though who was actually making those sound effects? C-3P0? Or R2?
For me, it's "The Thaw" - love the performances in that one. Voyager *rarely* strives for anything more than "watchable", but I think that episode is truly great. 😊 Also, yeah! DS9 all the way. ❤️️
Star Trek: Enterprise seriously deserves a movie set in 2170s to get a propper sendoff. SPOILERS I'm technically right by believing "Terra Prime" to be the final episode. "These are the Voyages" is a part of TNG. Merely an extenstion of "The Pegasus". Nothing that happened on Riker's holodeck necesarily happened in reality. Also, love all the references to ENT in the Kelvin timeline.
An Interesting note to make is in my opinion a slight pitfall of Slugometer relativism which is the neccesity of reinforming the viewers about how it works everytime it's being used, after all it could be confusing to new viewers otherwise so there's always a trade-off I think
Hey Slugger do you like the underwater themes like Aquazone,AquaSharks,Atlantis,or Alpha team mission Deep Sea? I miss those aquatic themes. Great vid!
I've never really got into them, to be honest. I grew up in the heart of the Canadian prairies - the ocean was always far, far away. I never really had an interest in underwater stuff, as a result. 😕
@@RRSlugger I personally like the idea of those because, as a Texan, the ocean always has this refreshing look to it. And the ideas that you can do for a Lego theme based on it (especially Bionicle in 2007) can always be just as creative as what can be done with the space themes.
I’ve always thought Empire was so overrated - I swear so many people chose that one as their favorite just because the internet collectively decided it was the best of the originals. Jedi has always been my personal favorite because of the emotional and operatic heights it reaches. So glad to finally see a Star Wars take online that I agree with.
I think ranking any of the SW movies on their own feels silly. like, it's like ranking the middle chapter of a book lower, because it doesn't sit on it's own. Of course it doesn't, it's the middle chapter! all of the SW movies have both highs and lows, and ultimately, I think most of them just kind of transcend issues. They're all just... too iconic to really judge fairly in any capacity, good or bad. also hey! Mars Mission was the only Lego theme good enough for me to steal parts from my friends' sets as a kid! that has to count for something.
7:36 But doesnt this still have the same problem as the connection between hoth and dagobah, like how does Luke know that r2 is going to be on the sail barge, how does he know he is going to be on it as well? I still think that all 3 movies are great though🙂
Unfortunately, that set up scene was taken out of the movie. There's a deleted scene where Luke loads his lightsaber into R2 and sends him into the palace first, giving the audience a better sense of the plan. That's probably why it was removed though - to leave us in suspense a while longer. They did account for this in the script, but since it was removed in editing, I think your criticism is still valid. The explanation didn't end up in the movie. 👍
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That is a pretty dang good dolly shot!
Also HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY MARS MISSION?! 😂
Okay, but I got a Mars Mission set for $20 dollars from a garage sale that typically goes for $200+ dollars, so I'm going to build it and you can't stop me.
I be you will build better stuff with pieces in that set than designer did :D
I’ve been on a Slugger marathon for the past two days, just my luck that this released right after I finished your snowspeeder video.
Perfect timing! ❤️️
No, the excellentedness of that dolly shot is simply not up for debate.
Okay, good! 😄
It’s cool for sure, but for me the exceptionalness of the scene hinges more on the dialogue that precedes it.
It’s Vader threatening to corrupt Leia to the dark side that sets Luke off: he’s motivated both by selfless desire to protect someone he cares about from being in his current predicament *and* the toxic fear/doubt that Leia might not be able to resist the dark side or otherwise take care of herself. It’s a complex emotional trigger - doubt and stress becoming rage - that has us, the audience, cheering for Luke to ‘get the bad guy’ while also understanding that whether or not he’s doing the right thing, what he’s doing isn’t so healthy.
Also, the music 😩
Obviously, he prefers Jedi over Empire because of Jabba's slug representation and thus is BIASED and WRONG.
Jabba is also in A New Hope!
@@NukarotPlease don't remind me of that mistake.
@@klaidikamberi786 Jabba is also in The Phantom Menace too!
@@Nukarot please. I don't want to think of that CGI abomination.
@Nukarot Not in my copy of that film.
I cannot describe how much I love your video style
Thank you! ❤️️
As a kid, I liked Jedi more, but I've found more interest in Empire as an adult more because of the dialogue and wit. Good take!
Didn't have to hit me right in the Mars mission though 😂
Someone's gotta say it! 😉
1:00 As a retail monkey, this one really gets me. "Anything less than a 5 on a customer survey is a zero!" ok then why the boop do we even provide them a five-point scale, why not just have it be yes/no questions
Exactly!
Below 8, and the HR will take you behind a shed. Let's be honest.
@@docnecrotic exactly. Worked for [redacted] tax co for a while, had to ask customers to rate me out of 10. 1-7 were considered a failure, and less than a 9 average was "grounds for termination." So why have 1-6 at all?
at my last job it was that an 8 was a zero and anything less than 8 was negative ten (and 9 and 10 are the same) -- so if you had a 7, an 8, a 9, and a 10, that's an average of 25%.
What I would love to see is a slug-o-meter between all 3-out-of-3s. A comparison between series and their best sets. And it still wouldn't mean you love one set over an other. It is just a comparison between what were the best the series could offer. It is completly objective
Hmmm! Sort of like a showcase of the best of the best then? 🤔
The Slugometer is 100% scientific and unbiased.
I’m an old fan of sci fi debris and it’s always refreshing to know exactly what a 6 of 10 means from him. Plus his take on psycho Janeway is the best.
I totally see why you’ve elevated Jedi over Empire, but it’s ever going to be the other way for me. The Throne Room scenes in Jedi are some of the best if not the best character driven drama in the whole series, and the fight at the Pit of Carkoon is awesome fun, but the silliness of the Jabba’s palace antics, the shoehorning of revelations like Leia bring Luke’s twin and killing off Jabba, boba, Yoda, Vader and the emperor as well as the third act revolving around another assault on another Death Star just takes the whole movie down a peg. Empire was different, had new environments, easily the best cinematography of the series (that dolly shot in Jedi tho), and the overall sense of our heroes being dogged by Vader the entire movie are just a few of the reasons why it’s technically the better movie, even if the script ends in a non-resolution.
Slugger, as a fan of Power Miners and a lover of the Empire Strikes back, I’ll be following your channel with great interest, great interest…
Damn i love mars Mission
I'm so, so sorry. 😅
millennial life on mars vs zoomer mars mission
@@charlottesimss9853 Honestly, that's the truth, ain't it?
Just wanted to say I very much appreciate the visual jokes and puns in your Lego background pictures. Especially the falling apple bit.
Thanks! 😊❤️️
I agree with your assessment of the original trilogy. I recently rewatched the despecialised versions, and out of the three I think A New Hope is the strongest, simply because it has a complete arc. It actually moved at a quicker pace than I remember, and I truly enjoyed it. The sequels kind of got bogged down in the larger story - which is fine! They just didn't work as well for me as individual films.
"Unless you like Mars Mission..." thems fightin' words!
Mars Mission teaser trailer was the first and only Lego media to truly frighten me.
You had me worried that you were gonna be removing the slugometer going forward! I’d miss it so much, I don’t know how you figured out the most satisfying sound possible for it, but you did!
NOT THE MARS MISSION! how did I catch a stray right at the end of the video XD
I think I only like mars mission because of lego battles though, so I suppose it's not great in a vacuum.
The title for this video is just the most amazing little touch.
P.S. Your channel is like the masterclass for putting in the extra effort and doing the little things right. Keep on sluggin'
Thank you very much! 😊❤️️
I was perfectly accepting of all your wrong opinions until the mars mission dig at the end. Filled me with a level of irrational rage I hadn’t felt on the internet in a while. Well done as always slug.
Sorry about that! I only jest, of course. 😊
"Iiiiiit's the summer of Slug!
(ehhhdt's xhama degff)"
...feeling alright, Mr. Slugg?
Star Trek: Enterprise will always hold a special place in my heart ❤ hope we get to see some Trek content from you!
This. I want Slugger to go where no slug has gone before!
It’s been a long road…
@@RRSlugger getting from there to here 🎵
HAHAHA nooo, don't bully me for my love of Mars Mission! I was so happy watching the videooo 😢
Before watching, I would have said and loudly “Nay! They descend in quality… relatively of course one through three” but your rationale and calm points resonate with me.
I leave the video agreeing in this case, well stated and excellent video!
Now THAT is the hottest possible Star Wars take, and I thought I heard em all
Haha I loved the faint laughing at the end of the intro.
I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts about Empire and you make some good points about contrivance I had not considered before. However, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on why some of the contrivance in Jedi isn't as incriminating to you. To me, the start of Jedi could always be described as "A hero joins Jabba as a spy, just so that another hero duo can enter his palace to save the day, but instead get captured, so that another hero duo can enter the palace and save the day, but instead get captured, so that another hero can enter the palace and save the day, but instead get captured, so that all of the heroes can save the day from the inside, all for the purpose of saving Han from Jabba's capture." I would be really interested on what you think about those scenes.
Great video as always, Slugger!
You’re definitely right to point that out - to me, the difference is that the questionable throughline in Empire pulls me out of the film *as I’m watching it* whereas this bit of clunky logic in Jedi only really annoys me in retrospect. I’m still able to *engage* with Jedi in a way that I seem to be incapable of with Empire, if that makes sense?
@@RRSlugger That makes sense to me! I personally think the start of Jedi pulls me out of the film a little bit, but will probably not bother me as much as the issues in Empire your point out just because the starting scenes are exciting, fun, and the contrivance ends as soon as they're over. Really appreciate the response. To me, Han's ship being constantly under repair and out of hyperspace gas feels in character for him, even if they've been alone doing nothing for three years. But I don't think I'll ever be able to rewatch the film without wondering how on Earth Luke landed right next to Yoda since you've pointed it out haha.
@@izer0z Some folks have told me Yoda "guided Luke's X-Wing to him"... If that works for you, feel free to use that headcannon! 😅
@@RRSlugger Haha it works for some, but I've always found that type of excuse to be narratively lacking. It's like saying "because magic" in any narrative including non-scientific fantasy. I think the most satisfying excuse, which is not to say that it's satisfying, is to simply say "it has to be that way for the story". Which I think sounds lame but is at least a bit more honest than other contrived nonsense haha.
Appreciate the discussion :)
Okay, you're gonna need to back up what you said about Mars Mission one of these days!
Whaddya mean "thats just the nostalgia talking?" I'm being serious! :p
I really appreciate the nuance in your videos. Another great feature of the Slugometer over the out-of-10 system I feel is that it allows for a lot more nuanced discussion: "Why does one person feel this set falls short of the rest", where as an out-of-10 system seems to spiral into the same thing repeated over and over again when no one wants to rate anything under a 6 unless everyone else already thinks that. Definitely looking to see a return of the Slugometer in the future!
The Mars Mission comment was worth watching this entire video, so glad I found this channel, LEGO is one of my favorite things ever and your humor is right up my alley lol.
1) slugometer is a great metric
2) man, you nailed a little of what makes Jedi rule and Empire, transitional.
3) glad you didn't touch on why New Hope was a 3 cuz OF COURSE it is.
I’m one of the seemingly rare few that liked Return of the Jedi with the Ewoks the most. The Jabba scenes were so cool, and Boba Fett just dies unceremoniously, such a minor character at first but had like half the story based around him later on cause of his helmet design and _edge_ factor. I couldn’t stay awake for Empire Strikes Back as a kid.
Speaking of Stars hopefully I can get a Star Mail submission sent by the deadline, if not I’ll just share some LEGO pictures in a correspondence sometime. Long live the Summer of Slug, may there be *several* more!!
Within the context of Slugger videos meant to stir up and tip over the steaming hot LEGO and Sci-Fi Fans TH-cam pot, this one deserves three out of three extra-large, wedged, curved, shell-shaped LEGO bricks!
Well done, sir!
(With these three bricks in hand, good luck building a symmetrical spaceship)
"Unless you like Mars Mission. Then you're just wrong."
What about just liking a small section of Mars Mission, the alien vehicles? The rest of the theme was pretty marred but I do love me the Grox-esque vehicles
They had great looks, but they were horribly fragile messes.
wow this was a great video thanks slugger
This makes me want to make a TH-cam series where I score my favorite movies and tv shows out of 3
Slugger, you're getting cheekier and cheekier with each video! I'm curious where this is all going to go in the end :D
The Summer of Slug song puts a smile on my face everytime I hear it ❤️
the intro is slowly collapsing
I may have loved Mars Mission as a kid, with the same imaginative scope as Rock Raiders, but in this 500-page, 30-hour essay I will
For legal purposes I should state, this is a joke. Even though I enjoyed Mars Mission in my childhood, I understand the shortcomings for myself and from others in the decade and a half since it's release.
Slugger: "Unless you like Mars Mission"
Me: "You better explain yourself"
Do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish best served cold? It's very cold... on Hoth.
❤️️❤️️❤️️
Relative scoring is a really clever method, I can appreciate the nuance.
wonder how the scale might change if he was rating every Star Wars movie together
@@bumfricker2487I haven’t seen all 9, but I can tell you that the original Trilogy would likely all jump up to 3 slugs, hahaha. 😄
That micro snowspeeder is brilliant! And cute 🤩
OMG SOMEONE ELSE WATCHES SFDEBRIS! You better make a star trek build once you hit a million subscribers
Yeah! I love his work - taught me a lot about forming opinions on media. 😊
@@RRSlugger slug on you magnificent diamond!
I just built the Claw-Tank Ambush set from Mars Mission
And I still agree
you pronounced "Han" the way Billy Dee Williams did in Empire! XD
The correct way. 😉
Omg I agree with you on every single thing you said about ROTJ lol. Though it would be a 3 slugs to me 😬. As for Empire I think I appreciate it more thanks to the videogames set during or a short time after it rather than the movie itself. Something similar to how I feel about the prequels. You make a good point about the rating systems, 1-10 definitely doesn't work. And at least so far you haven't cheated by rating with half slugs lol
Haha, yeah - can’t add half slugs later! That would throw the whole system outta whack, haha. 😅
I SAW POWER MINERS! I SAW POWER MINERS!
I’m sorry
You make good videos
Thank you! ❤
@@RRSlugger you’re welcome. You inspire me to make my own videos
I got all but like 5 of the Mars Mission sets for the equivalent of 100 USD in non-played-with condition on an online auction, with pick-up locally. That stuff was a major part of the sets that I constantly drooled over in the Lego catalogue, but never got more than two of the smaller sets of, not counting a couple of the puny minifigure-with-pathetic-sidebuild sets.
I think this is a really good rating system! as it just makes a lot more sense with context and is easier to use and understand!
Still waiting for your Slugometer ranking of Star Trek....
Now THAT would be fun! I think I could do the original six movies against each other real quick:
Star Trek I: 2 Slugs
Star Trek II: 3 Slugs
Star Trek III: 2 Slugs
Star Trek IV: 2 Slugs
Star Trek V: 1 Slug
Star Trek VI: 3 Slugs
I don't think I'm really breaking any new ground with that though, haha. I think it's generally agreed upon that Wrath Of Khan and Undiscovered Country are the best of the bunch.
@@RRSlugger Well, thanks for the answer! I've always personally been a massive fan of IV, but that's mostly because of how silly it is without being idiotic like V. What about the TNG films?
@@memyselfishness TNG is tough because I think they're all pretty bad in their own way. 😅
If pressured though, it might look something like this:
Generations: 3 Slugs
First Contact: 2 Slugs
Insurrection: 2 Slugs
Nemesis: 1 Slug
I really don't like how "dumb action movie" First Contact is, but I just can't rank it alongside the likes of Nemesis, haha.
I'm excited about the SF Debris recommendation! Going to check that out. My longtime go-to Star Trek reviewer is Jammer's Reviews. I don't remember him ever explicitly stating that his 4-star rating system is relative, but it definitely is. A 3-star Discovery episode is nowhere near a 3-star DS9 episode.
I imagine you watched the Lower Decks finale this week? My heart is hurting from the conclusion of that show. Hoping for a spin-off 🖖
Also refreshing to hear your take on the original Star Wars movies relative to each other! I've always felt similarly, but usually find myself alone in that opinion 😂
I need to catch up on Lower Decks (and Strange New Worlds!). I'm bummed that Lower Decks got canned - it had so much more to offer. ☹️
@@RRSlugger Indeed! Awesome that you still have some of it to look forward to though 🙂 My partner and I have found that the show has great rewatch value (I think that's a hallmark of good Star Trek, in general).
"Remember when Voyager was the bad one?"
Based slug.
For real. I now live in a world where Voyager is in the upper half of Star Trek shows. What happened?? 💀
I fear the day when the quote "Remember when Discovery was the bad one?" becomes relevant.
@@Bionickpunk It's coming... they're going to make it happen. 💀💀💀
We're already at the point where people jump in and cry "prequel slander" with Star Wars, goodness gracious. 😭
@@RRSlugger I wish I had a good answer for you, Slugger. Prodigy turned out surprisingly good, but that's one show out of a dozen seasons of trash.
@@Bionickpunk It looks like Section 31 is going to be a step in that direction 😅
I remember when I was a wee young'un, I had very limited experience with & knowledge of Star Wars. This mostly came from seeing parts of the occasional episode on Spike & the visual dictionaries for episodes 2 & 3 plus the OT, and I didn't know that Han Solo got thawed out in Episode 6, so for a pretty long time I just thought he stayed frozen forever.
Have you done/will you ever do a video on the various legolands? I’ve been to one recently and MAN was it an experience
I've never been to one! 😭
@@RRSlugger oh damn. They’re pretty good! Honestly if I had more money I’d visit them just for the awesome dioramas they have
There are two rating systems i saw that I really liked. One was on letterboxd where you have half a star up to five stars and one guy I saw used these stars like this: 1 star- never watching again, 2 stars- I dont seek to watch it again, 3 stars- I would watch it again, 4 stars- one of my favourites and 5 stars- I make you watch it with me. I really liked that.
The other one is a small german youtuber. He has 1 to 8 points. 8 point is something like "watch it in cinema", 7 is "watch it if you are interested", 6 is "watch it on blu ray", 5 is "watch it on tv eventually", 4 is "watch it with friends with a beer" and so on. I dont remember the exact scoring. Both I really liked
With Star Wars, the Force is a perfectly good explanation for plot armor, up to a point. Like, a Jedi, with their strong connection with the Force, not getting hit by blaster shots could be explained as something of a passive Force ability of some sort. But, a character with a supposedly low connection to the Force, like Han Solo, not getting hit can't be so easily explained away. Sometimes it's more situational, like when they escaped the Death Star after rescuing Leia, the Stormtroopers were ordered to let them escape because they had planted a tracking device, resulting in them "missing", or at least that's the going theory. You don't need the Force to explain away every inconsistency.
Return is my favorite of the OT specifically because it manages to juggle so much; Luke tossing the lightsaber away to me is the single best moment of the entire saga; and I love how him doing that puts everything else into place so that the good guys win.
Also, if you don't like Ewoks, i'm sorry, i can't help your cold dead heart.
But my favorite sequence in the whole saga is the last 10-20 minutes of Revenge of the Sith; I love both hearbreaking and beautiful it is. probably my favorite montage in any movie; crosscutting the death of the republic, his love, his life with Anakin's rebirth as a frankenstein's monster; then the beauty of the future; the rise of a New Hope.
The best thing about any TH-cam ranking system is that none of them really matter. Not saying that as a slight (as a fellow ranker), but since pretty much everyone is presenting their subject by the authority of themself, there isn't any real right or wrong behind the reasoning. I've found new appreciation for themes I never gave a second thought to after seeing them ranked against other things I'm familiar with.
ALSO... and I hate that I feel the need to speak on this.. BUT HERE'S MY TWO CENTS ON ONE OF YOUR POINTS ABOUT YOUR INCORRECT OPINION ON EMPIRE. The issue isn't that "Han can't fix his ship," it's that "Han is fixing his own ship." He's based off the classic "cool guy," and every classic cool guy has an old car they are constantly working on. He doesn't take it to a shop to get it fixed, he doesn't trash it when it probably should be trashed.. he diagnoses it and tries to fix it.. WHILE ESCAPING AND GETTING SHOT AT! That's just cool. Even at the end when Lando's crew was supposed to finish the repairs, Han already new what it needed.
Anyway, good video. I always like Star Wars debates and I'll play either side.
I love the Slug-O-Meter, but a “Live Slug Reaction” would also be quite neat.
9:27 A better question why isn't the slug o meter factual? Like in my 10 years of being press showing off thousands of video games and hundreds of unboxed things I keep my rating system of "Is it worth it or not and but why?" To the facts with very little opion and I let my bias be known... Why? It's what my audience wants and expects as they want to know should they spend their hobby dollar on it or not. Which as far as I know cold hard cash is very facula so should be rating systems then inform purchasing decisions.
But stating whether or not “something is worth it” is, in itself, an opinion. To be completely honest, I find *that* system to be even more subjective than just ranking the sets against each other like I do here, as not everyone is going to have the same relationship with money to judge its “worth”.
There’s nothing factual about me saying the new LEGO DeLorean is “worth it” if the price tag on it is unthinkable for some viewers, if that makes sense?
@@RRSluggerTrue and how I do it is compare everything to everything in the modern day using experience and again facts like piece count, completion time, Number of prints/unique peices, content, Mini figs, graphics, is it a possible investment but I rarely need to go outside of it's direct compation... While yes to some free is the only option when video games are concerned does not mean that factually all $1 dollar games are not worth it to the rest of the veiwsers? And that is unfair to people who can pay that and the companies that made them and really the industry/community as a whole as all industries have standards like 100 pieces for $10 for lego...Which I'm this way because my audnce wants to know the facts like how it compaires to other things for the money and why. That is just my niche much like the slug o meter is yours which we are not so different in how we use our meters very similarly to the viewer anyway as we add "but" to the end. So my meter is less a score then a friend telling a friend should they buy it and why.
So by that Logic a 10/10 DS9 episode is a religious experience. I'm looking at you "In the Pale Moonlight".
Or even “Duet” from Season 1! ❤
the absolute chaos of a roller-coaster this is: first explaining the history of the Slugometer and some beta forms, then into some serious commentary on what it means, then dissing on Star Wars and Star Trek and then to finish it off a 2second outro dissing on Mars Mission D:
in Slugger's own words, he kicked TWO hornets' nests today
I feel Star Wars works best when the villains are on top and the heroes seem on the edge of losing everything. Even if the heroes win it comes at considerable effort and cost. This is best exemplified by: A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Andor, Rogue One, Solo, and Revenge of the Sith.
Return of the Jedi is undone for me by the Ewoks. Cute is fine but like my adorable Cat they needed a vicious side. Chewbacca works because he's adorable but piss him off and he's terrifying. The ewoks just come off as bumbling and dorky, it undermines the other story threads.
That's fair - what works for you, works for you! I just find that folks WAY overemphasize how much of a role the Ewoks play in Return Of The Jedi - there is so much more to the movie than the Ewoks throwing rocks at Stormtroopers, yet that seems to be all that folks remember about it.
Should have been wookiees instead of ewoks, and Kashyyyk instead of Endor.
Don’t forget that Ewoks are cannibals, judge how they appear all you like but remember that they didn’t hesitate to try to cook Han and leia like roasted duck
@@SeriousRyno Wookiees are tall but not many are buff along with that they are more civilized (like the only one that we saw fight in the original trilogy was chewy and he has shown that he can rip a dude’s arms off in Solo), Ewoks how ever are stubby and feral, but are intelligent enough to hunt and make spears. It’s like which one can you fight a giant lion or a hundred angry cats? My response to this is that I probably wouldn’t beat neither tbh
Perhaps even more controversial: while many of the special edition changes and new scenes are frankly pointless, things like the updated Palpatine Hologram in Empire and the prequel era planets in the celebration at the end of Jedi are huge improvements
I feel the celebration is a terrible change - bad worldbuilding - the empire obviously didn't lose overnight.
Focusing on just the rebels and heroes celebrating with the ewoks feels better, its personal, feels climactic, but is contained.
@@forrestpenrod2294 The Empire didnt fall in a day...but the New Republic sure did...ah the sequels, what an absolute mess of a trilogy (If I can even call it a trilogy due to how incoherent all three of the movies are with each other them having no idea where the story was suppose to go).
Maaaaan, Enterprise gets clowned on all the time by old-school fans, but I grew up with it. It's MY Star Trek, and I love it.
I'm so sorry for you. 😅
(I'm only kidding - like what you like, of course!)
I see you've got faith of the heart
A slugger upload is exactly what I need today
I am in near-complete agreement with both haves of this video! Quantitative scoring systems can be useful, but you are right that they are too often thrown around with little thought given to what they represent. Despite what you may think, I’ve always thought that you’ve been very conscientious about making the audience understand how you’re using the Slugometer.
And as for Empire, I’ve always felt the same. It may be better in certain ways, such as in the cinematography, but the narrative is much too loose and feels like it spends a lot of its runtime spinning its wheels. It may have some of the trilogy’s highest points, but it doesn’t work as well as a complete film as much as A New Hope or Jedi.
This is the way
Bouy i can't wait for "Han can't fix his own ship 2: electric fuse failures" in 2099, but on a more serious note, WHAT!, WHY DIDN'T GET A NOTIFICATION FOR THIS VIDEO?!!!
"It's the summer of slug"
"Euffhofh **COUGH* **COUGH** "
**Slug falls of chair**
"It's the summer of- OH MY GOODNESS IS HE OKAY"
My biggest takeaway from this is that the sluggometer is shaped like a grey lightsaber
The arguments about what someone thought succeeded or failed in a given work are the important part. Whatever rating system or tier list should be thought of as a medium to facilitate that kind of insight, not as the end goal.
Mars Mission is great.
Agreed! (To everything except that Mars Mission part) 😉
Regarding the 10 scale grading. Just recently, as an example: a Star Wars set has a lot of inconsistencies in regards to the movie, is smaller and more expensive than its previous iterations. A reviewer names all of it, mostly criticizes the set and still gives it 7 out of 10. Never understood it, unless it's financial benefit, of course.
None of this is really set in stone as I would have to watch all the movies again but here:
How I would rate the film's quality is either Empire, New Hope, Jedi or NH, Empire, Jedi (Though, I have not seen Jedi in a while, planning on watching it sometime soon.) I do remember Empire being the best written, though I would say A New Hope is more solid (as in, it is a good standalone film).
Can not make a point on Jedi as I only really remember the second half and the opening it still has the greatest ending out of all of them. It is incredibly emotionally fueled and filled with character payoffs, just really well done. Not the best choreographed fight in the series (That award goes to one of the ones in the prequels, though I can not remember any specifically.) it is the best when it comes to importance to the story and how much it gets us to care about it.
Welp, done with my semi-structured ramblings. I love movies and I really like Star Wars, good bye.
0-10 makes sense when you're comparing a larger assortment that falls under the same category, such as "Relative To All Lego Sets Ever (even the ones I have never held in my hands before)" or "Every Movie I Have Ever Seen (based on my memory regardless of my age and experience at the time of viewing)".
Personally I think 0-4 is a good metric if you prefer 0 to match the meaning of "so bad it has no redeeming features" or 1-5 if you prefer 3 representing the middle as it somehow feels more balanced in the middle than 2 does. But practically it is the same as going with a 3 point system because 0 and 4 (or 1 and 5 depending on your preference) are just the extremes used to set the parameters and should basically never be used as it would denote something as perfection - perfectly bad or perfectly good.
Anyhow, the way you have rated the sets seems the most fair as you interact with every single set within the theme before rating them against each other, rather than rating sets as you go (which has the problem of requiring retroactively updating previous ratings to keep the numbers relevant, and which most reviewers typically don't do). Although personally I would prefer a little more nuance, so 0-6 where you only use 1-5 would be better.
Lastly, I also just want to point out that making 1 red, 2 yellow, and 3 green is a bit misleading imo as the color skews the impression of the actual rating a bit (1 doesn't have to be a bad score, just a worse score, but the red color makes me instinctively think its a bad score).
But ultimately, my opinion doesn't matter; you do what unhinges you the most. I'm just here for the slander and hot takes. 🤣
The colour thing is definitely a good point and it’s something that Brett and I discussed when making the graphics. In retrospect, maybe it would have been wiser to only make it light up green, no matter the score. 🤔
I like Empire, Ewoks and the Slug o meter!
You forgot to rank the slugometer 😮 ! Don't worry I'll do it for you: given there's only one slugometer, then I give it 3 slugs 🐌🐌🐌.
Also, I concur: Mars Mission is the Star Wars prelogy of LEGO space themes
I rewatched the original trilogy as an adult and the best film is clearly episode 4. That said, mars mission was awesome
I never expected slugger to make a movie review
Not to mention how in A new hope, C-3P0 mentions he's not much of a storyteller. And cut to Jedi, and he's narrating the events of the previous movies to the ewoks, with sounds and all. Though who was actually making those sound effects? C-3P0? Or R2?
Character growth! Love to see it. 😊
Oh dear here we go! :D
Now I *have* to ask, best voyager episode?... Also, which series is best, and why is it DS9?
For me, it's "The Thaw" - love the performances in that one. Voyager *rarely* strives for anything more than "watchable", but I think that episode is truly great. 😊
Also, yeah! DS9 all the way. ❤️️
I give full 3 lights for the summer of slug on the slugometer
Mars mission is to life on Mars to what power miners is to rock raiders OPINION AGREED
The intro singer melted
Somehow my favorite Star Wars film would be empire and Jedi because of how it shifts the dynamic of the world from new hope
Star Trek: Enterprise seriously deserves a movie set in 2170s to get a propper sendoff.
SPOILERS
I'm technically right by believing "Terra Prime" to be the final episode. "These are the Voyages" is a part of TNG. Merely an extenstion of "The Pegasus". Nothing that happened on Riker's holodeck necesarily happened in reality.
Also, love all the references to ENT in the Kelvin timeline.
I'll give you one Slug for your score of Empire, and three slugs for your score of BTF 2.
Honestly, I know understand your decisions on the slugomoter much more now
intro guy is rapidly degrading as slugger sucks out their soul to fuel his lego powers edit: SPEEEEEEN
It's still better than Last Jedi..
An Interesting note to make is in my opinion a slight pitfall of Slugometer relativism which is the neccesity of reinforming the viewers about how it works everytime it's being used, after all it could be confusing to new viewers otherwise so there's always a trade-off I think
Certainly! Always a trade off. 👍
Hey Slugger do you like the underwater themes like Aquazone,AquaSharks,Atlantis,or Alpha team mission Deep Sea? I miss those aquatic themes. Great vid!
I've never really got into them, to be honest. I grew up in the heart of the Canadian prairies - the ocean was always far, far away. I never really had an interest in underwater stuff, as a result. 😕
@@RRSlugger I personally like the idea of those because, as a Texan, the ocean always has this refreshing look to it. And the ideas that you can do for a Lego theme based on it (especially Bionicle in 2007) can always be just as creative as what can be done with the space themes.
I’ve always thought Empire was so overrated - I swear so many people chose that one as their favorite just because the internet collectively decided it was the best of the originals.
Jedi has always been my personal favorite because of the emotional and operatic heights it reaches. So glad to finally see a Star Wars take online that I agree with.
There are dozens of us - dozens, I say! 😅😊
I think ranking any of the SW movies on their own feels silly.
like, it's like ranking the middle chapter of a book lower, because it doesn't sit on it's own. Of course it doesn't, it's the middle chapter!
all of the SW movies have both highs and lows, and ultimately, I think most of them just kind of transcend issues. They're all just... too iconic to really judge fairly in any capacity, good or bad.
also hey! Mars Mission was the only Lego theme good enough for me to steal parts from my friends' sets as a kid! that has to count for something.
7:36 But doesnt this still have the same problem as the connection between hoth and dagobah, like how does Luke know that r2 is going to be on the sail barge, how does he know he is going to be on it as well? I still think that all 3 movies are great though🙂
Unfortunately, that set up scene was taken out of the movie. There's a deleted scene where Luke loads his lightsaber into R2 and sends him into the palace first, giving the audience a better sense of the plan.
That's probably why it was removed though - to leave us in suspense a while longer. They did account for this in the script, but since it was removed in editing, I think your criticism is still valid. The explanation didn't end up in the movie. 👍
What are you saying is heresy