Stockfish Ruins Another Chess Puzzle 🤦🏽‍♂️

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  • @DjVortex-w
    @DjVortex-w ปีที่แล้ว +741

    So Stockfish was like: "Actually that doesn't work because of this. However, if you do this instead, it does work, so nice puzzle anyway, you just got the wrong solution."

    • @NotTured
      @NotTured ปีที่แล้ว +8

      7:10 when you do that the rock would check the king after the king move to what ever you would simply eat the knight then if the king ate your rock then it would be a draw cuz you would also eat the rock :/

    • @viktorsmets29
      @viktorsmets29 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@NotTured No after Re1 Kf7 Rxe8 you don't take back, instead you play Rg6 and black can't avoid mate

    • @NotTured
      @NotTured ปีที่แล้ว

      @@viktorsmets29 the rock is already at Rg6?

    • @NotTured
      @NotTured ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@viktorsmets29 and even if you did Rg6 which is not possibe i will check you in RF8 you will be forced to eat my rock and ill eat your rock and cong its a drawn end game

    • @NotTured
      @NotTured ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@viktorsmets29 i think i now know what you mean you mean Rg7 check then ill move my king to KH8 forced then you would do Rg6 right?

  • @triptothemoon8171
    @triptothemoon8171 ปีที่แล้ว +530

    Refutations of old puzzles are the best chess videos. Thanks for posting and please make more

    • @DeKevers
      @DeKevers ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Second this, Nelson

    • @vedranb87
      @vedranb87 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All those dead people who are suddenly wrong. :D

    • @lucianadiacipriani5220
      @lucianadiacipriani5220 ปีที่แล้ว

      The chess study by Tigran Gorgiev had long been cooked. Every chess study composer knows that ...Nd7 draws. The computer finds something like that in a second.

  • @garmo1968
    @garmo1968 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Stockfish out here delivering patch notes to old chess puzzles

    • @gregorymorse8423
      @gregorymorse8423 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actual the tablebase did as chess is solved for 8 or less pieces on the board.

  • @MintBunHunter
    @MintBunHunter ปีที่แล้ว +1071

    Imagine if someone refuted these puzzles before stockfish was invented

    • @southerncharity7928
      @southerncharity7928 ปีที่แล้ว +106

      Would have been convicted of sorcery

    • @lydiafromsemaphora
      @lydiafromsemaphora ปีที่แล้ว +213

      imagine if they were refuted by an actual fish

    • @FasterBueno
      @FasterBueno ปีที่แล้ว +145

      @@lydiafromsemaphora Specifically one that does stocks

    • @FasterBueno
      @FasterBueno ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Someone actually made a stock fish, his channel is micheal reeves

    • @undine120
      @undine120 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I mean, the 7 piece endgame tablebase was computed in August 2012. Yes, Stockfish existed, but it didn't get it's first win as top computer until 2014. All 7 piece puzzles were either proved or refuted by then.

  • @vnXun
    @vnXun ปีที่แล้ว +297

    I found Nd7 because you said the move was crazy, I didn't know why Nd7 was good I just knew it was indeed crazy

  • @KolejowySzynszyl901
    @KolejowySzynszyl901 ปีที่แล้ว +652

    Stockfish doesn't ruin chess, it finds moves and lines that weren't expected.

    • @AwesomeCamera87_HD
      @AwesomeCamera87_HD ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Thats why i am a fan of stockfish

    • @chunkyrabbit1032
      @chunkyrabbit1032 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      and it's a fish

    • @junyong0716
      @junyong0716 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      yes, of course it doesnt ruin chess, but it ruined this particular chess puzzle.

    • @17813_
      @17813_ ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You must be fun at parties

    • @hitale1
      @hitale1 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@17813_ he's just stating facts accept or cope

  • @matthewviramontes3131
    @matthewviramontes3131 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    You don't even need Stockfish for this one. There's only 7 pieces on the board, so it's a tablebase position, and the tablebase will tell you right away it's a win for White and tell you every winning move too.

    • @Jartran72
      @Jartran72 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      this puzzle was probably made before computers

    • @KingOfLeeYT
      @KingOfLeeYT ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Puzzle was made in 1956 :/

    • @nm7sp
      @nm7sp ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Aaaah - so it's actually tablebases that are ruining chess puzzles , not Stockfish 🙂

    • @ReverseGuy
      @ReverseGuy ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🤓🤓

    • @some1u_dont_know
      @some1u_dont_know ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That works only when you're not playing against Mittens

  • @TheChamp1971
    @TheChamp1971 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    At 5:06 I figured Black would play Nd7 ONLY because you said they could draw the game with a crazy move.

  • @skyblue-ph4gq
    @skyblue-ph4gq ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Actually, there are exactly 7 pieces in the board and we can use a tablebase. After Rg7+ Kh8, white has 3 winning moves: Ke7, Rg6, and Ke6.
    (+ Rg6 repeats the previous position, so white has to move the king)

    • @Snort70
      @Snort70 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Idk why he keeps making these videos without looking more deeply into it

    • @Alpha-Zero
      @Alpha-Zero ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How you can check tablebase data? Is it same as lichess stockfish server analysis?

    • @lenalittle4193
      @lenalittle4193 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Alpha-Zero Yes because Lichess have a tablebase too at the analysis board.
      The tablebase show you the moves for win, loss and draw. You don't have to activate stockfish for that.

    • @vedranb87
      @vedranb87 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was thinking about the piece count and was like, hey, do we even need stockfish for this?

  • @rene5939
    @rene5939 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Not only Stockfish could find these other solutions. Looking at the 7 pieces Tablebase would have told us the same…….

  • @Joseferberger
    @Joseferberger ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Nd7 was actually quite intuitive once you mentioned the stalemating idea.

  • @vivaankohli9448
    @vivaankohli9448 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for the video. That was a really nice solution. I like how Stockfish finds these lines and moves that we didn't notice when originally looking at the puzzle.

  • @Caladian
    @Caladian ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I did intuitively guess the knight to D7, based on what you said previously about taking away the pieces of black would lead to a draw. I didn't see it though of course, just since you asked that was the only move I could think would create a situation based on what you said previously

  • @Parrotzzz
    @Parrotzzz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 7:19, would rook takes knight be possible? If you take the rook then the black king takes your rook and pawn

  • @David_Crayford
    @David_Crayford ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Beginning to feel sorry for the old masters. Computationally they didn't have the bandwidth to go through all permutations in one lifetime!

  • @spartanspeedruns8386
    @spartanspeedruns8386 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really happy that I found Ke7 at the beginning of the video lol. The whole video I was like "but what if you do Ke7 instead?? Pushing the pawn didn't seem best there..." and then you finally went back to that and I was like "yes!!!" haha

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Normally I'd say "it's a win for the intended side, just not the intended way" is not really ruining a puzzle, but a pawn checkmate is pretty cool...

  • @justfrankjustdank2538
    @justfrankjustdank2538 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i found the move cause i though "ok getting to that squares important, how can we block it" and the knight is what i saw first lol

  • @Zedja
    @Zedja ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it when the moves I think about are the correct answer, when the composer had an entire other solution.

  • @AbouTaim-Lille
    @AbouTaim-Lille ปีที่แล้ว

    Stockfish gives a venomous sting to the puzzle, and stockfish gives the antidote.

  • @ryans8081
    @ryans8081 ปีที่แล้ว

    The solution for stockfish after the position on 8:13 starts with Nxf6 (has to take because of the threat of Rg8#), then Rxf6 (If the pawn takes on F6 instead of the Rook, since your king is blocking the pawn and the pawn can't control the H6 or H7 squares, Black can more likely save, or at least prolong, the game by checking you with their rook and forcing your king to block the pawn, but if Rxf6, White wins faster). The black rook has to go to h1 to defend Rh6#, then you play Rf4 to keep threatening checkmate on H4 but giving your pawn and king more breathing room. If Rh7+, it's forced mate in 20, with a possible sequence being something like this: Kf8, Rook somewhere along the 7th rank, like Ra7, Rh4+, Rh7 is forced, Rxh7, Kxh7, Wkf7, Bkh8, Wkg6, Bkg8, Wkh6, Bkf7, g6+, Bkf8, Wkh7, Bke7, g7, Bkd6, g8=Q, Bkc5, Qb3, Bkd4, Wkg6, Bkc5, Wkf5, Bkd4, Qb4+, Bkd5, Wkf6, Bkc6, Wke6, Bkc7, Qb5, Bkc8, Wkd6, Bkd8, and finally Qd7 or Qb8 is mate.

  • @second1387
    @second1387 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Composer🕵️: Hey everyone! Look at this chess puzzle I made! It is white to play and win and ends up having a "smothered mate" using a pawn♟️
    **Stockfish joined the game*
    Stockfish🐟: You sure about that? Checkout this knight🐎 sacrifice to draw the game.
    Composer🕵️: Oh-- **sad noises*
    Stockfish🐟: Don't worry, there is another move for white to win the game, just use and move the king🤴 already closer to the black's.
    Composer🕵️: --oh ok

  • @lucastheg6156
    @lucastheg6156 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I actually saw the move stockfish had for the right reason. Im proud of myself

  • @thesphyrth
    @thesphyrth ปีที่แล้ว

    Stockfish: Your solution is wrong, but you can still win it.

  • @msvb2457
    @msvb2457 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I haven't played chess in 100 years and I was never more than average. But I love this channel! You really do a nice job at presenting these ideas.

  • @gresach
    @gresach ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this study by Gorgiev. It’s not just 2.Ke7 that wins but also 2.Ke6 or even 2.Rg6. So the problem is actually savagely dualised. If one uses Stockfish with 5 parallel searches, I suppose it will pick these up, but easier is to use a tablebase like Syzygy. Question really is how to fix it, if possible.

  • @ImMataza
    @ImMataza ปีที่แล้ว

    This was very cool its so much fun to see a refutation and new solution

  • @synka5922
    @synka5922 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Saw knight to d7 the first time you showed the position and was like "thats what I would do, to force a draw"

  • @EdMcF1
    @EdMcF1 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:44 What if White walks up to the Black Rook and lets it check him but drags the rook back to a square where the Knight can take it and the King or Knight don't protect the White Rook but can protect the pawn after the Black King takes the White Rook? Might that be a way out of the stalemate trap?

  • @rohitg1529
    @rohitg1529 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I actually saw the Rg7 Kh8 Ke7 line and assumed that was the intended solution.
    The mating pattern with the knight on f6 and the king on h8 is too strong to avoid, you have to sac the rook and rook + 1 vs knight in the corner is an easy win

  • @google8567
    @google8567 ปีที่แล้ว

    Composer: take that I win
    Stockfish: Yes, but actually NO

  • @speedy_brennan
    @speedy_brennan ปีที่แล้ว

    So stock fish found the actual solution for the puzzle.

  • @crimsoncanvas51
    @crimsoncanvas51 ปีที่แล้ว

    1 question... Why @7:15... Rook can give a check from "e rank" and capture white knight.
    If king captures rook, black captures white rook.
    If pawn push or white king move... Rook keep giving check to white

    • @Rocky64
      @Rocky64 ปีที่แล้ว

      ...Re1+, Kf7 Rxe8, Rg6! threatens Rh6 mate which Black can't stop without losing the rook.

  • @monarch9276
    @monarch9276 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:14 actually an easier thing for white would have been trying the Arabian Mate. Nf6 and Rg8 would have been mate, if we protected the rook with the king

  • @Just_Gent
    @Just_Gent ปีที่แล้ว

    When someone tells you “There’s a better move” then it’s pretty easy to spot it.

    • @Name-nq7tj
      @Name-nq7tj ปีที่แล้ว

      that's one of the problems with puzzles the solutions often times are way easier to see when you know theirs a solution or crazy play when usually in a game the hardest part is knowing when their is a crazy play more so then finding it.

  • @OXcraft
    @OXcraft ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 7:19 can't black go re8 capturing the knight, and if white goes ke8 then black can go kg7 capturing the white rook?
    After which white can't defend the pawn leading into black successfully getting a draw.

    • @jmjm9294
      @jmjm9294 ปีที่แล้ว

      same bro i was wondering
      i tried calculating if its still winning after white plays g6 but we can sacrifice the rook again for a second time by playing Re7! after which white has to take and black takes the rook which is obviously a draw

    • @chelovek10117
      @chelovek10117 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jmjm9294since when was king a knight

  • @choudharyrahul722
    @choudharyrahul722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 7:21 instead of R f1 check, what if R takes Knight on e8?

    • @sasu74
      @sasu74 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      After Rxe8, White has Rg6, with the idea Rh6X.

  • @JohnHawksley87
    @JohnHawksley87 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even given that the author didn't see the refutation, I wonder how they concluded that the king move was not also winning (that one that we know was in fact the only winning move).

  • @Polish_internet_troll
    @Polish_internet_troll ปีที่แล้ว

    5:28 I've found it, but only after i was told to search for it

  • @jeffreyherrera5069
    @jeffreyherrera5069 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Stockfish ruins another chess puzzle"
    Alternative title: "Stockfish mourns Mittens in the only way it ever can"

  • @vincentm3302
    @vincentm3302 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only reason I found Nd7 was because I was just looking for the most ridiculous move. Lol😂

  • @jasonruff1270
    @jasonruff1270 ปีที่แล้ว

    If "I bet you're great at parties" was a person

  • @mainbrainjegat8783
    @mainbrainjegat8783 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found the stockfish move, not cause im good at chess, more cause im good at throwing pieces away

  • @zixuantang3481
    @zixuantang3481 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I found the move that draws the game but I only saw the idea of taking away the f8 square for the King and to lure the King away

  • @kutomore
    @kutomore ปีที่แล้ว

    Curiously I did not see the flaw that Stockfish saw, but my first instinct was the Stockfish sanctioned solution.

  • @JordanMetroidManiac
    @JordanMetroidManiac ปีที่แล้ว

    Puzzle author: What do you think of my super challenging puzzle?
    Stockfish: Your solution is wrong.

  • @ElKartoffelbreii
    @ElKartoffelbreii ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wasn't in the mood to really analyze today, but after you showed the difference between Ke6 and Ke7 (that white can reach the f8 square), Nd7 was the first move that came to my mind. So I found it, but didn't verify it as winning.

  • @NekaSulia
    @NekaSulia ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Got a challenge for you. Pacifist chess. Can you beat Martin without ever capturing any pieces? (Not sure if you’ve done this, but sounds like it would be fun to watch)

  • @Mehtibbers
    @Mehtibbers ปีที่แล้ว +4

    for once stockfish agrees with me, Ke7 make more sense then g6
    Did not find Nd7 although it does make sense blocking the f8 square
    Great puzzle and good job stockfish.

  • @Ozasuke
    @Ozasuke 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did see ... Nd7 but only after understanding white's ideas about getting to Kf8. I wouldn't have found that move otherwise. I did originally see Rg7+ Kh8, Ke7 because I felt the king needed to support the rook as the knight and pawn weren't able to do so, but I couldn't see the end of that line. This is probably why I'm still rank 900 and why I enjoy your puzzles and your other videos that help me see play evolutions.

  • @Anonymous20249
    @Anonymous20249 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if from the position at 1:54:
    black rook to e1+
    The point is if the white king stays next to its Knight the black rook can take the knight, and if the king takes the rook then the other king can take the white rook and its a draw. It'd be a draw because the white king can't defend the pawn and so the black king would just take the pawn on the next turn leaving just the lone white king against the black king and knight.
    I don't know what would happen if the white king doesn't take the rook.

    • @Rocky64
      @Rocky64 ปีที่แล้ว

      ...Re1+, Kf7 Rxe8, Rh7 mate.

  • @SUPABROS
    @SUPABROS ปีที่แล้ว

    7:10 I was thinking Ke7 the whole game because i thought that he could repetitive check and/or sac a knight and rook to get stalemate

  • @Thew400
    @Thew400 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:30 Found! It was not that hard because basically the knight has only 2 places he can go which allow him to get active and defend the position: d5 and d7. d5 has already been analyzed. So it remains d7 and moving the rook but basically there are also only two options for the rook: checking the white king which has already been analyzed too and taking on g6 but after rook take rook you understand it's just a useless sacrifice. So, knight to d7 is the only valid option that has not been analyzed yet in this position. However, I would have never found such a moove if i had not been told it exist.

  • @PrometheanConsulting
    @PrometheanConsulting ปีที่แล้ว

    I found the king move instead of the main line at the start - lol. The smothered pawn mate was cool, though.

  • @janmagtoast
    @janmagtoast ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw knight to d7 pretty fast when you asked for the move. Prior you showed that if black loses it's pieces it's a stalemate, so yeah, makes sense that getting rid of your pieces asap was the way to go.

  • @AyrtonTwigg
    @AyrtonTwigg ปีที่แล้ว

    There's 7 pieces on the board. Who needs Stockfish when you have the tablebase?

  • @toptwitchchannel
    @toptwitchchannel ปีที่แล้ว

    always interesting to see the solutions to a problem

  • @kenspencer9895
    @kenspencer9895 ปีที่แล้ว

    And in the Stockfish line, after R31+, there is Kf7 RxN, Rg6 winning.

  • @1_1bman
    @1_1bman ปีที่แล้ว

    that's not stockfish saying it won't work; that'd be the syzygy tablebases, a completely different project that stockfish relies on to win or draw 7 piece endgames

  • @seasideman
    @seasideman ปีที่แล้ว

    The move was easy to find, but only because you said there was a move to look for.

  • @EdMcF1
    @EdMcF1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't that within the capacity of a tablebase? AIUI, all positions wit 8 or fewer pieces have been solved.

  • @spartan1857
    @spartan1857 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nd7. Same as ke6 nd5. N holds f8 f6, can be taken

  • @snovricks982
    @snovricks982 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always wonder why the move Rf1 doesn't played to cut off the king into going to the f file in many position. Do you guys have any answer?

  • @TmacBoris
    @TmacBoris ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nd7 was easy to find
    There is an interesting line after 1. Rg7+ Kh8 2. Ke7 Re1+ 3. Kf7. Black plays 3. ... Rxe8! white can't take the rook 4. Rg6! with Rh6# threat actually wins the game.

  • @th3hunt3r
    @th3hunt3r ปีที่แล้ว

    2. (g6 Nb6+ 3. Ke7 Nd5+ 4. Kf7 Nf6 5. Rg8+) mate in 4 for white

  • @warmpianist
    @warmpianist ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought of king e7 already before pawn g6, feeling like we should move the king to safety from opponent's knight and protect own rook for checkmating. I didn't think of anything else further though.

    • @aphschl4347
      @aphschl4347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The puzzle and the refutation are both amazing but I did want to note that he didn't explain that after Ke7 Re1+ Kf7 he did not comment on Rxe8!? removing the defense of the rook but white has Rg6! saving the rook with tempo of mate and attacking the rook. Still it was a fun episode.
      As far as the refutation I missed Nd7 and thought it was Nc8+?, the idea is that if white tries his Kf8 idea Rf1+ Rf7 Rxf7!? you cant take with the king because of stalemate, so gxf7 Kh7 and I thought the white king cant move from in front of the pawn because the knight on c8 covers e7 and white's knight blocks e8. Additionally if white plays Nc7 black can play Nd6 taking the pawn before white can move it and insufficient material. Finally I thought if white plays Nf6+ Kh8 and if Ke8?? Nd6+ forks the king and the pawn, but of course the fun is spoiled again as white can play Ne4 covering d6 allowing Ke8 and promotion. Although it is an interesting thought if it was white's turn to move when the black king started on h7 after the trade of rooks it would be a draw because of zugzwang after Kh8. And you just draw with one tempo.

  • @codegeass7162
    @codegeass7162 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the "improved" version what happens if rook sacks itself for knight? That looks totally drawn

    • @johns783
      @johns783 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's what I'm wondering. seems to me that everybody is missing the easiest possible solution. the only way it could get weird is if the king actually didn't take the rook after losing the knight.. almost certainly a win for black or draw for white, at best.

  • @LetMePlayMyThing
    @LetMePlayMyThing ปีที่แล้ว

    I was so surprised, I kept thinking it was king e7 at the start and then it was haha

  • @David61026
    @David61026 ปีที่แล้ว

    Black is also drawn in the end of the main line as long as they don't play nf6

  • @hvnterblack
    @hvnterblack ปีที่แล้ว +1

    stockfish is really game killer

  • @ocigmaknavius
    @ocigmaknavius 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a draw at 7:40 after Ke7 Re1+ Kf7 Rxe8 like is that not a draw?? if the King takes then the black king takes the white rook since its no longer defended

  • @pierrecurie
    @pierrecurie ปีที่แล้ว

    Even before stockfish, I thought they had 7 piece endgame tables? Just look it up in the table to verify if the composer's solution worked/if there exist other solutions.

  • @r1ppl3_13
    @r1ppl3_13 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did i find the true winning move for white before he even showed the rest of the possibilities, cause i thought why move the pawn its guarded by the rook lets bring in the king to prevent the check instead

  • @anthonychrane560
    @anthonychrane560 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found the move that refutes it, but I don't feel like I can really take credit. Just from your explanation of the intended line I knew it had to be that move.
    You emphasized both that the square the knife is controlling was important, and that taking the knight drew the game, so that move immediately jumped out to me when you told us the position the move was in.

  • @abriamblair6890
    @abriamblair6890 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did find Nd7 based on what you showed us earlier happens if the knight is taken and the fact that it denies the f8 square

  • @louischeng8114
    @louischeng8114 ปีที่แล้ว

    in 7:17 is there rxe8 taking the knight?

  • @carlosedwardos
    @carlosedwardos ปีที่แล้ว

    this reminds me of the SF refute of the famous Tal chess puzzle!

  • @mememanfresh
    @mememanfresh ปีที่แล้ว

    i never wanted to move the pawn in the first place

  • @GuagoFruit
    @GuagoFruit ปีที่แล้ว

    I stumbled upon an ~800 rated puzzle with a 0.4% pass rate. It was absurd

  • @RicoYang-bj5wh
    @RicoYang-bj5wh ปีที่แล้ว

    7:40 why not knight c 7?

  • @Cabriofahrer2
    @Cabriofahrer2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it only stockfish or woildn't any old mephisto with 16 half-moves depth would find the solution?

  • @Reversesans
    @Reversesans ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not good at chess but I actually found the move. I was like wait what?

  • @maddstaxx
    @maddstaxx ปีที่แล้ว

    I seen that the pawn move was incorrect when the video started

  • @erikmielke9008
    @erikmielke9008 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any even minimally experienced chess player knows that there are plenty of puzzles that don't work, the best puzzles are always real games by good players.

  • @johns783
    @johns783 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't get why the nxd7 move was so special. Move the rook to skewer the knight with rxe1and if the king takes it, it's a draw since you lose the rook in the process, with the king having position on the pawn, as well as their knight still, too. If the king doesn't take then you've got a free piece and advantage, potentially even a win for black. it's surprising that nobody noticed that... i'd love to know how a king/pawn/rook manages to beat a king/rook/knight if that is actually how it plays out from here.

  • @zenaxia8063
    @zenaxia8063 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats crazy is that i didnt see the pawn raise move, i thought the best move was to move the king

  • @lachlanmcewen6027
    @lachlanmcewen6027 ปีที่แล้ว

    where can I find a record of the original puzzle?

  • @tykemorris
    @tykemorris ปีที่แล้ว

    I agreed with the composer, which means stockfish schooled me too. I didn't find Nd7. I used Re1 check to capture the knight. If white king takes black rook then the Black King captures the white rook and the pawn. If white declines the sacrifice as they should, then black can repeat rook checks to get the desired rook trade in multiple ways. Edit: This doesn't work for trapping the white rook if you use stockfish strategy of leaving the pawn at g5. Still, the loss of the knight removes the easy checkmate options.

  • @PotatoChess-we7rj
    @PotatoChess-we7rj ปีที่แล้ว

    hide the evel bar
    it is small on the right of the bord
    it kills the magic

  • @4twitchie
    @4twitchie ปีที่แล้ว

    is it possible to beat martin with only Book move, Great move, and Brilliant move?

  • @averagenonconformist
    @averagenonconformist ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:20 Kf7 Rxe8, white has to find Rg6 otherwise it's a draw

  • @overlvlresistant7720
    @overlvlresistant7720 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found Nd7 almost immediately, actually when you were showing the winning line for the first time at around 2:46

  • @digitalekunst4374
    @digitalekunst4374 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 7:20, why cant black play Rxe8 to draw?

    • @thetaomegatheta
      @thetaomegatheta ปีที่แล้ว

      ... Rxe8
      Rg6 Re7+
      Kxe7 [any move]
      Kf7 [any move]
      Rh6#

    • @digitalekunst4374
      @digitalekunst4374 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thetaomegatheta Ah, right, thanks. Rg6 is cool. And even if you try Re6+ as black to get Kc7 with check later, it dosn't prevent getting mated anyways.

    • @thetaomegatheta
      @thetaomegatheta ปีที่แล้ว

      @@digitalekunst4374
      'And even if you try Re6+ as black'
      Re6 is not a check in that situation.
      'to get Kc7 with check later'
      Nc7, you mean?

    • @digitalekunst4374
      @digitalekunst4374 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thetaomegatheta exactly

    • @thetaomegatheta
      @thetaomegatheta ปีที่แล้ว

      @@digitalekunst4374
      You just wrote 'Re6+'. The plus sign denotes a check.

  • @a_doggo
    @a_doggo ปีที่แล้ว

    Couldn't find it; was thinking I could suicide the rook into the pawn but it never worked out. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this!

  • @johnq3676
    @johnq3676 ปีที่แล้ว

    i directly saw Rg7 but couldn't find a good follow up.
    As you showed the pawn moving up i instinctively hated that move it feels useless to constrict a King that is already in the Corner and can't move and stockfish proves you don't need it (and it's even wrong if black is strong enough).
    I think the Composer started at the finale with the rook sacrifice and tried to get ppl there.

  • @qybl
    @qybl ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice one! I was able to guess knight d7, because you showed lines where whites king wants to move to f8, and that blacks knight is untouchable because of the stalemate trap.

  • @TheBinaryWolf
    @TheBinaryWolf ปีที่แล้ว

    I too notice that on (rare) occasion, Stockfish makes a move that leads to loss against a skilled player.

    • @Migustinder
      @Migustinder ปีที่แล้ว

      do you have an example? I have never seen that

  • @loganlewis1790
    @loganlewis1790 ปีที่แล้ว

    I must be a robot cuz that king move was my first thought

  • @IngmarSweep
    @IngmarSweep หลายเดือนก่อน

    I "found" the move, it was the first thing that popped into my mind, so it was totally by intuition (which has been proven wrong a *lot* of times in chess).

  • @BobChess
    @BobChess ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bruh, stockfish ruined our pawn smothered mate(not really) but tell us the amazing ending.
    Did Stockfish ruin chess?