PSAP Nuclear Waste Train
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2022
- I got a heads up from my buddy in Shelton (@RadioEquipped ) that a BNSF SD70ACe was heading south with a few Nuclear Flasks and a caboose. I quickly made my way to Elma to catch up with it, and got my first shot at the Oakville DED, which unfortunately seems to be out of service at the moment. The Nuclear flasks came out of PSNS Bremerton, from their Nuclear submarine recycling program.
Please enjoy. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I designed these cars back in 1985 while at Thrall Car in Chicago Heights (now part of Trinity ind.) and supervised all of the testing. We performed a series of structural tests at the plant and then took the car to the Transportation Test Center in Pueblo CO. for dynamic testing. The car was challenging to design since there is very little room on the sides of the cask. Also, the tight tolerances needed for the cask support ring required the car to be machined to dimension after assembly.
A very interesting gob.
yet a very important need for this car
I used to load them. There called M140 cars, designed for 726/688 class and newer. The 637 class cars are call M130 and were retired in the early 2000s.
I used to sell them, 500k a pop and that was back in the 90s
i used to throw them into the ocean for average salary back in the 00's
but apparently a Gob well done indeed! ;-)
Ignoring the epicness of the train, that has got to be one of the coolest flask designs ive ever seen
Definitely.
I had a lot of questions. But specifically addressing the vessels. I wondered how much material is actually in each container (vessels) The thickness is probably MUCH more exaggerated than standard.
Hope this fella recording these have more to come. I find these special carriers/logistics for military interesting
Yeah like what is this Satisfactory
@@unrelatedshark reminds me more of the new Wolfenstein games
They actually look like mini reactors, certainly a lot different to the ones we use in the UK.
Thank you for placing yourself on a watchlist so we can enjoy the video.
I'll bet - with all those extra axles spaced so closely and heavily loaded - this train would make a tremendous and interesting clatter crossing the diamonds of a double tracked main.
oh were the talk of the town going though diamonds
Send this through Fremont Nebraska police will find and pull the train over lol
My late father (2017) worked for SPRR for 38 years. I grew up living in a remodeled train car, supplied by SPRR for free as my father began his career as a bridge tender. It allowed my parents the opportunity to save $ to buy a home in 1969 for $16,000. My bedroom was literally 20 feet from the tracks...the horns on this video being back so many memories. I'm 60 now, and have to say this is the 1st time I ever saw nuclear waste being transported by rail. COOL STUFF!
Rest in peace
SP spirit of the West
That opening scene is one of the coolest things I have seen in a bit, man this video is just epic on so many levels, really hope I can catch that train one day!
Thank you! I appreciate it. I hope you get to see one as well.
Knowing what I know…This is one thing I would not want to be around! Especially if it’s carrying waste!
One of the few trains that definitely needs the caboose for monitoring the dangerous cargo.
More like military guards in the caboose, but that's a bit of potato/potahto. 😉
The platform cars before and after the flasks are for spacing. The flasks themselves are probably made of massive stainless steel with lead or some other shielding inside (lead is an excellent radiation shield due to its high density, but has poor thermal conductivity for a metal). The vertical fins on the flask cylinders are for cooling. The caboose at the end is likely hosting armed guards. The train is going slowly to minimise any accident hazard. The whole film is epic, underlining the massive and dangerous nature of its subject.
well you are somewhat correct. these transfer casks use stainless steel for the shell, SS and some lead for gamma shielding, aluminum coated resin for neutron shielding, and some balsa and or redwood for limiting impact damage. Im actually surprised to still see these transfer casks in use....but then it is the government. Industry has long switched to the horizontal casks...specifically those made by orano.
Time, distance, shielding.... You have 3 cookies. One emits Alpha particles, the second Beta with the third Gamma. You have to eat one, sit on the other, and throw the last out a window. What would be your choices?
@@tvan4854
I would sit on the alpha, but otherwise no, thanks. This is an impossible question, like choosing from multiple types of cancer. By the way, you didn't specify the source of the radiation. If it's heavy metals, once ingested, never eliminated.
That train has more eyes on it in that moment more than you could even begin to imagine lol
Very cool catch of a DOD train. We sometimes get to see them move from either Portsmouth Naval Shipyard on NS or Newport News Shipyard on CSXT. They tend to go to the B&W Nuclear site at Lynchburg, VA
lol I thought you were talking about the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in NH for a second. Nuclear trains also come in and out of there occasionally
I ran a Three Mile Island Dirt train from Indianapolis, IN to St. Louis, MO back in 2002. It was nice having the US Army on board for security. They had an awesome cook on board and they made me the second to best philly Steak and Cheese sandwich a guy could ask for!
the samitch is still king even with nuke dirt. For me living in nuclear silos, it was a military career, with rich psychopaths sending me codes. Godspeed right.
I'm new to this.....does the caboose then carry armed army personnel, and how many?
@@sanddabz5635 When I worked the dirt train the MP's rode in a converted Pullman car with Bedrooms, kitchen, full bath and Laundry room.
The head count for riders is Classified Information and If I told ya that information, I'd have to kill ya.
@@sanddabz5635 loose lips sink ships
@@thecurtray
Thankfully this is a train.....and it's on land🤣
When they are not in use, the Navy keeps most of those flask cars at the Naval Reactor Facility in eastern Idaho. UP moves them in and out, with DOE and DOD crews handling them on the Site. We see them go out without the flatcar spacers and the caboose and come back with them when they are loaded with the spent fuel rods from the ship reactors. The Navy stores the fuel rods in water until they are cooled off enough to place in dry storage or be recycled.
No military escort though ?
I always thought this was national security issue . Where is the helicopter ?
I live fairly close to INL, which is the facility you're referring to. It's not uncommon to see these flasks on occasion. Super cool to see.
@@KC-nd7nt Who do you think is in the caboose, I’ll give you one guess.
@@KC-nd7nt no need for one. You can’t steal one of these cars and you can’t open one. The cars locations are monitored 24/7. Any issues arise they could respond before anybody would make a dent in one of these.
I was just playing a game with trains and thought to myself "How stupid and cartoony are these nuclear waste train carriages?"
And here they are, exactly as the game had them. I stand corrected.
Very light transport might look like an armored car or even just safes in a boxcar, the regular transports are these things, but heavy things like decommissioned reactors use the goofy 32 wheel cars and stuff
This is one of the coolest rail fanning videos I've ever seen.
Great work and thank you for sharing!
Thanks I appreciate it!
@@West_Cascade_Rail You're very welcome, stay safe out there.
The idle sound as it cruised by in the last clip was very nice. Good rumble to it. :)
Glad you enjoyed!
Incredible catch! That’s so cool that you caught this. Talk about the right place at the right time! 🎥💯
Thank you for sharing this rare scene with us. It was truly epic!!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed.
8:47 The Classic, the caboose only makes the train look 50 times better!
i agree
Cabooses are still used a ton in India!
That caboose isnt empty lol
Beautiful professional photography
Thanks! I appreciate it.
That is something you don't see everyday, espically in my area of the states. Very cool catch and share! - Jason
I bet a dollar the people in the caboose had their eyes on you the whole time! LOL
WOW... great catch. Thanks for making and sharing..
Wow this was a great catch, I’ve never seen these in person yet. I know one thing the guys that are riding in that caboose have to be pissed, that thing had a pretty wicked “flat tire”😆. Great video👍🏼😁🇺🇸
@Dragonkin57 definitely a repurposed caboose I'd say. I'm not sure if it was designed to have a flat spot in a wheel, that makes zero sense. It's a brake hanging up and the wheel dragging that causes that or an imperfection in the steel when the wheel was forged causing a section to wear differently than the rest of the surface
About 10 years ago, I had the opportunity to watch as a train was hauling used nuclear fuel rods across Red Arrow Highway from the dual reactor Cook Nuclear plant in southwest Michigan. The road was closed for 20 minutes as it crossed at less than 1mph, and there almost a dozen (mostly Michigan state) police cars blocking the road and a rail maintenance vehicle both in front and behind it. Looked like giant cylindrical fuses. Quite the sight.
Awesome Video just Love Seeing and hearing those Awesome EMD Engine's you can hear them coming from a long way. Sounds to Me like the Caboose has a flat tire that clacking noise would drive me crazy after awhile..
I had no idea this existed... Thanks for the video!
Awesome content man! Keep up the great railfanning! Nice DODX train!
Appreciate it!
I was stationed in bremerton and used to walk past these everyday on my way to muster on the ship.
Also walked under rusty leaky metal box tunnels that ran from a building to where they were gutting the reactor out of these submarines as well...
Good stuff...
Nicely captured ! 👍
Cool video with my favorite locomotive EMD SD70ACe.
i rewatch this ten thousand million times in 1 day
I guess I have you to thank for the growth of my channel
In my opinion the caboose has people in it that are trained to protect the train
Well, yeah.
It's also the controll room for the various sensors and equipment
um, duh
There are no guards on this train. The caboose is a formality that also serves a shoving platform when the train reaches each facility. The cars are known as “self protecting“. It’s physically impossible for someone to break into one of them let alone steal one.
@@FFred-us9tw incorrect. I work for csx and can most definitely assure you any time a railroad is carrying any loaded nuclear cargo of any kind, there are always guards on board the locomotive and caboose. I've taken 2 trains to Savannah River Site myself and the guards do everything for us. We simply get on the train and take it as far as we can. We are not allowed to get off the locomotive during the trip and if we stop in a siding the guards have to dismount and walk the train.
Wow, this is such a cool catch!!
Perfect locomotive to be leading! Great shots!
Thank you!
That was cool, thanks for the vid!
Glad to see BNSF not cutting corners with the crew on one of these trains.
I know it's government regulated, but it's nice to see a caboose being used.
BNSF has nothing to do with it. That is a Dept. of Defense (DODX reporting mark) caboose with a security team.
that caboose has nothing to do with the train crew, it’s entirely for security. it’s guaranteed to have armed USMC security with multiple machine guns and assault rifles for protecting the cargo. that’s in addition to the helicopters likely flying out of view and hearing range but close enough to keep a close eye out for obstructions and attacks
@@Cthippo1 I know. It was a joke. The second sentence should have clarified that.
@@bostonrailfan2427 same response.
@@Roboticus_Prime_RC excuse me for having an original mind and not spewing ignorant unionisms…funny, you didn’t have the balls to whine about non-union people onboard
Great video, wild looking consist
Amazing catch!
If that is spent naval fuel, then it's likely heading to INEL in Idaho where there is a facility for the storage of spent naval reactor fuel rods.
Seems like a scenic video of a train 🚂 motoring through pristine wilderness… then you read “nuclear waste”… why does this bring to mind my last relationship… lol
Nice Video! Awesome Catch!!
Great video. Thanks!
This is a very epic catch indeed! Keep up the good work. I am betting this train will be heading to INL after being handed off to the UP. Unless it is heading someplace else.
9:25 Mark very cool to have the camera by the tracks like that.
Very cool catch! I didn't know something like this existed!
On my frequent trips for vacation to Florida on I 95 we would see those containers or something similar on 18-wheelers mostly in the North and South Carolina area of I-95 at approximately 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. I never saw them in the daylight.
Great footage! Good camera angles and perspective. Also like your audio setup. It keeps the horn and other loud noises from being painfully loud without outright muting everything.
Thanks for the comment! I'm glad you enjoyed.
The Daleks have returned! “Exterminate!…”
Surprised they only have one locomotive on the train. In the UK, we always use two on nuclear waste trains, so the train isn't stranded if one breaks down.
according to train crew over there the reason for two is actually due to not using a caboose, the armed guards ride in the second locomotive
@@bostonrailfan2427 That's strange. British locomotives mostly have two cabs, so why couldn't they ride in the rear cab? Also, the trains carrying military spent fuel have armed guards riding in passenger cars; if the civilian trains have armed guards, it would be strange to put them in a second locomotive instead of a passenger car.
@@beeble2003 just going by what was said, there’s video online of the nuke trains traveling
Very cool catch
A caboose in this day and age! Outstanding!
Our local work train still uses one daily. I was able to ride in it recently which was awesome!
Likely full of some serious firepower and some dudes with twitchy fingers
Very cool find, cops most likley were called in by the security team on the train as having someone showing up multiple places and recording the train they might have thought it was some sort of security risk, I could be wrong though.
Edit: Find it interesting that the cars seem to have spots for Hazmat plackards but not actually plackards in place.
I thought the same about the security risk ESPECIALLY when he recorded on tracks
he’s lucky to not be detained until federal agents cleared him of any wrongdoing…they had more than enough reason to detain after the first encounter
The no placard thing is a new rule after 9/11 where nuclear loads are not placarded to prevent terrorists from targeting them ( or at least thats my understanding)
@@randomfastreader That is correct. There are a couple of other HM cargos that display a placard slightly different than what we used pre-9/11.
Awesome video.
that was an amazing shot you got from below the level of the rails. nice work!
Out Railfanning... And then You see something like that! Incredible Catch Man! 👍👍👍 Keep up the Great Work! 👍👍👍
Thank you!
Man😮! I didn't know about this special equipment to transport nuclear waste, amazing clip, great pictures and sound, Thans for sharing!! good job, well done😉👍
Kind regards from MX.
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That engine sucked to run. Loaded so damn slow. Those guards didn't like you following us lol.
Lol I bet. The guards in the caboose?
One of my fellow engineers at CSX sent information about a nuclear cask train out to his railfan friends and the FBI met him at the hotel in Chicago. Sent him and his crew directly home for an interview.
@@thomasdupee1440 fr?
@@BNSF1458 yes
@@thomasdupee1440 he’s lucky he wasn’t fired, that’s a huge violation and put their contract at risk due to it. he can kiss any serious federal work goodbye, he won’t get cleared again
the engine is cool but it's all about the consist man! The waste containers on the flatcars and especially the caboose wow
When I was in Lynchburg, VA in may, I saw some green DODX cars that were pretty unique. Not sure if they were nuclear waste or not, but i was pretty neat.
as a retired member of the United States Marine Corp trust me when I tell you that that caboose is packing big guys with big guns
😂 absolutely no guns involved, there’s no need for armed guards on these trains. They can’t be broken into and they can’t be stolen. Those casks are 10 inches thick stainless steel. Their locations are monitored, and if any issues arise, a response team can be flown in. But the caboose is typically empty. I’ve hauled many of these trains.
@@FFred-us9tw false. The caboose has armed guards.
@@fhowland not on these trains. I’ve moved quite a few. These shipments do not require guards. The cars are impenetrable. Remote monitoring on empties. Logistical escort on loads. No armed escorts on these.
Holding up a Geiger counter as it went past would have been interesting.
Would love to get a Geiger counter reading and view the flasks on thermal.
Now THAT’S a catch!
I’m trying to get in touch with some Seattle area railfans on when the H-EVEROO garbage trains run as I’ll be along the Scenic Sub this week. Do you have any idea when the southbound and returning northbound would run and approximately where they would pass the Mukilteo/Edmonds area?
Thanks
Great sounding horn !
Dream shots!
Thank you! Certainly was a bucket list catch.
That is definitely one train you do not want to have a derailment !!! I would imagine getting even one back upright would be nightmare !!!
7:09 best jointed rail action right here. Schnabel cars on jointed rail is a true rhythmic sound.
Those are not Schnabel cars. A Schnabel car uses the actual load as the center of a loaded car. And when a Schnabel car is not loaded they bolt each half of the car together to make a single car.
The cars in this video are M-140 Naval Spent Fuel Shipping Container cars. Basically purpose built flat cars with integral support for a dedicated container. The stainless steel cask in the center is not structural to the car. It can be removed and the car is unchanged.
That’s a heck of a flat spot on that caboose
Good video 👍
WOW, DOD have their own caboose!
With armed guards!
Quite possibly the only trains where the DoD crew has more authority than the conductor, at least as far as the cargo is concerned
@@xx5zi I doubt it, the contract probably requires the entire civilian crew to have a security clearance and sign a lot of paper work.
Tony Stark had his hand in the design of those flasks.
Part of me would want to film, part of me would want to be as far from this train as possible, especially near turnouts/diamonds/rough track. Yet I’d really like to catch it on the corner of a diamond just for the epic catch
This would make one heck of a Lionel set.
Really nice filming, ty
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The Police normally are called when someone is spotted recording the dangerous loads for safety. Oil Trains and this one are the most likely culprit for this operation
great video
Awesome shots of the nuke train!
Thanks for the comment Tom! I appreciate it.
Very cool catch and nice video! I’m glad to see it’s traveling at a low speed.
How did you know it was coming through?
I just read the description and you explain there how you found it. My bad! 😂
Nice filming 😍
Nice chase down. That was busy day.
Thanks Steve! Sure was.
Keep'em coming (military transport) trains ALWAYS piques my interest.
I wondered about the thickness of those vessels (containers) requirements for nuclear material storage. Probably 10:1
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Its honestly a weird feeling seeing just one locomotive
This is such an awesome video! Any idea where it was going?
How much does each car weigh? 4 trucks on each car. One of the wheels on the caboose is in need of some maintenance.
That is incredibly cool!! I wonder if the casks have those heatsinks on the sides because the spent fuel is still warm enough even after cooling down in the pools for years that it needs to be dissipated.
I think they are mostly there for reinforcement, maybe a bit for cooling down
very cool,never seen that before
Fun fact : Those wagons also don't have to abide by the GWV limit on typical cars.
excellent camera work
Thanks!
How many people are usually riding in the caboose? Is there a whole Army commando team in there or just a brakeman?
DODX, tis a military train
Very creepy looking, like something from an episode of outer limits.
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@@artmchugh5644 😄. Yah, what he said!
ikr lol💀
kinda suprised they didn't run you off! Conductor for 20yrs, 1st time I've ever seen these. have a whole bunch of rules for these in the rulebook...never saw one. thanks
I bet!
I have no desire to ever catch one of those trains
@@opiumextract2934 you and me BOTH!
@@conductorcammon on a funny side note my son wants to be a nuclear engineer
@@opiumextract2934 tell him to study hard! I'd hate to see him work for the damn RR!
Very cool indeed
Cool video!
Excelentes tomas!!
What camera do you use?
I like the flat wheels on the caboose.
Oh look! A person hitch hiking. Lol I bet that backpacker doesn't know what's in those!
Nuclear power + railfanning 😍
Are the flatbeds supposed to be barrier cars? And I wonder what the weight ratio of radioactive material to transporting steel is? Like, if one flask weighs 10 tons, and you need another 500 tons of train to move it, how much waste is actually being transported for all of that?
That is the coolest train
Look at the extra axles! Good lord those things are heavy!