My Tenacious was very nice out of the box, smooth g10 (no sharp parts), nicely centered blade, a little stiff opening (being new), overall a wonderful knife for the price. Anyone considering getting a first Spyderco can't go wrong with the Tenacious.
I must concur on the Tenacious. Is it the best steel? No but not the worst and it it's very well made and worth every penny. Zero blade play. I just got a stainless VG-10 Endura today...very nice but it does have just a teet of blade play...just a teet.
Great comparison.. I opted for the tenacious simply because I know if I got a $150 ($200 in Canada) pm2, Id baby it and not use it lol. Just the way I am. Now with the tenacious I don't mind using it for some tougher jobs and putting it to hard work.
I said that about my benchmade 940 and my zt0450 and my para 3 but now they all haggard and still up to the task....except the 0450 that lock bar insert is shit but benchmade and para knives you find urself baby them for a week and then a buddy says lemme see ur knife and u say no and they say why you have it then and then it's like oh yeah it's made for this haha
Well that’s where you’re wrong. You’d be better off using a PM2 and using it. The steel will retain the edge longer, it’s a better built knife, you don’t have to deal with the liner lock and you get the best ergonomics of any knife I have ever felt. They’re amazing knives and you’d have been better off to spend the $150.
@@cavalry1213 Don't get me wrong, the PM2 is the better knife for sure. However for $200 where I live I cannot justify the price especially for a knife I want to hard use. Tenacious does that just fine and I won't feel bad if i break the knife ($40 vs $250).
I'll take a $50 spiderco with a longer edge that is easier to sharpen in the field over a $150 spiderco with a shorter edge that is harder to sharpen. I have both, I love both. I will say, though...... I have a tenacious on pretty much every bag I have, one in the truck, one in the car and one in my pocket. The para, however, I have only one of. I would say that the knife I'm willing to use all the time is more valuable to me than a safe queen. That's just me. I'm just a regular guy doing regular shit.
Do you get better with time at popping the blade open with your middle finger? I can only do it with my thumb and even then only works half the time. But I just got the knife so I might need more practice!
I bought both of them at the same time and honestly for their price points, I love them both. I keep the PM2 on me for EDC and keep my tenacious in my pack if I need to cut something that could damage my blade.
I have both as well, I take the tenacious to work so I'm not putting excessive wear on the pm2. Both amazing knives for the money, but the tenacious works fine for me on its own
Good comparison… I’ve owned a tenacious for some time and lucked into finding a Sprint run Para 2 available 4 days ago which I bought immediately. Absolutely love it and compared to the 18MOV steel of my tenacious….this sprint run came with CMP S45VN and textured green G10 scales. Do they compare ? A bit
Hey buddy how can I get mine to open deploy fast man is hard I already messed with the screw and Nada still very hard to open nothing like yours I have that tenasious
Great comparison! The only thing I would add is the reason the pm2 is longer is the front choil you get to be able to choke up better for more detailed work. Thanks. Enjoy
So how do you justify the 100 dollar difference? Better sharpness retention in the steel used? If that sharpness holds 3 times as long, it might be worth it, but does it?
I have about a dozen Spyderco knives. Not a big fan of the compression lock models, as they pinch my index finger 9 out of 10 times I open them, regardless of size. I picked up the 40 dollar version of the Tenacious, and liked it so much I got the CPM M4 version. Of all the Spidies, the Tenacious is one of the most comfortable and user friendly knives I have. I polished a set of copper scales for the PM2, and will never see my pocket, Lol.
I have a tenacious and use it everyday at my job and haven’t had any issues or dulling of the blade (cutting rope and shrink wrap) it’s a solid knife for the price point …..I’ve had benchmade and lost all of them😡😡😡😡 tenacious is definitely cheaper to loose 😝
@@schneir5 You are not allowed to carry lock-back blade in UK as a civilian (multitool is exception for builders etc.) So all my previous Spyderco's were lock-back back in the days. Now I carry the double-line-lock (?) specially made for UK. So it means I can't "drop" the blade, it closes by force. Model UKPK. For home gardening and other crafts :)
@@magnuskallas Okay sorry, that makes sense. It sucks that you have to deal with strict weapon related laws like that, and at the same time don't have the perks like legal Cannabis, like Canada has. Are you still allowed to order the locking blade knives, and just leave them at home? That's how it is with some knives here too, like automatic opening knives or butterfly knives. I've read that the reason butterfly knives are illegal is they are worried about people accidentally cutting themselves. You're not supposed to carry them around unless you're law enforcement, but you can have it in your own house here.
@@schneir5 You can collect, but you can't carry. This is where I come off as a full blown right-winger without any second thoughts - most, if not 99% percent of blade attacks are carried out with illegal street blades or kitchen knives. Certain cultures call for action, they accuse proper knife carriers of violence... Listen people, sort your getto culture out before going after professionals. I bet zero people get stabbed in UK using proper credit-card licensed premium blades. Same goes for shootings, though it is a muddier area for A. an accident often is lethal B. a legal gun can be stolen and used on the streets, where liberals will aways protect the minority and in fact the legal owner might end up in court for having bad storage.
I own both and I may be stepping on alot of toes by saying this but, other than the thumb hole size and blade steel, the tenacious has the pm2 beat. The blade steel can easily be debated considering the tenacious almost sharpens itself with just a couple of strops on the peter.
I have both of these I like them both honestly and if you didn’t know it in my opinion I don’t think u would say the 2 is 100 bucks more unless u know steels and knives obviously
Ok its all a bunch of marketing b.s, honestly the tenacious is all the spyderco you should need.besides i dont mind sharpening my blades i love my stones and strops as much as i love my knives it all passion i get more pleasure from sharpening them than looking at them
The question here is..." do you need those little extras and the blade quality of the Paramilitary 2 vs. the longer cutting edge and monetary savings of the Tenacious ?" For an EDC pocket knife...the Tenacious is A OK. For military use, survival in the bush...the Paramilitary 2 might be for you. Real life...Tenacious Armchair warriors...Paramilitary 2
Spyderco needs to either change the steel or lower the price. When you can spend ~$50 and get D2 on a Civivi Elementum or spend ~$80 and get S35VN for the same knife, the Tenacious doesn’t hold up. You’re just paying that “Spidey tax.”
No they can't easily do it. Sal has said their Chinese manufacturers refuse to work with better steels. I think he mentioned something about them not having the proper heat treating equipment.
Judgedbyall No need. They both hold the edge at the same rate. And ones easier to sharper. Been tested too many times on TH-cam. But buy American if it makes you feel good. Makes me feel good. Love that USA logo.
Looks as if you used a deburring blade on the para 2. You can lightly run a deburring blade on the tenacious thumbhole and that'll take care of any sharp edging.
Just ordered a PM2 in S45vn. It will be my first spyderco. I sharpened my friends Tenacious last week. Not a bad knife at all. Think it's what made me want to add a spyder.
Got both... and the PM2 is absolute another level then the Tenacious, but then again the price is also much lower. You just cannot beat the smoothness of the PM2. Its just like butter
You let your bias distort your review so much it's ridiculous. How is the PM2 "overbuilt" but the Tenacious is not? You don't even try to explain how it's overbuilt. The PM2 is not anymore "overbuilt" than the Tenacious. Not a chance. You're just trying desperately to justify the high price by saying that. Also, your bias shows through when you say the PM2 will be sharper out of the box. LMAO. There are variations in sharpness with both models out of the box. The price difference is because of the steel, the patented compression lock, and it being made in the USA instead of China. That is all.
@@tonzophun Depends on what people would use it for. s30v will chip a lot more than 8cr13mov. 8cr might be the most used knife steel on the planet. It's far from garbage. If all you do is cut cardboard, s30v is clearly the better choice. But if you work on a farm and might end up needing to cut some twine on top of a steel sheet, s30v will chip like hell.
@@BornIn1500 I've used s30v for years, and have never had it chip. Meanwhile, all the 8cr knives I've had could hardly hold an edge, and rusted like crazy. S30v is undoubtedly the better steel out of the two.
Bought both these knives. At the end of the day, these both lose their edge at the same rate. It’s been demonstrated over and over again on TH-cam. You can destroy the tenacious and you’ll only have to spend $50 for a new knife. My para costs $150, I mean, I’m a gun guy. Rather use the money on gun accessories. I don’t wanna destroy my $150 knife. So I’m hesitant to even you it. If you’re a knife enthusiast, Para is the way to go. It’s made in the USA, better Steel, better ergonomics. But if you’re a normal guy, Tenacious hands down. Blade is just as sharp, hold the edge the same, and it cost $50. And it’s ergonomics are excellent, but just a tad bit less that the other.
This is a really good comment. I have the Tenacious and I love it. I'm debating on the PM2 because I like the steel but if what you're saying is true then it's not really worth it. I agree with the logic behind the having a $50 versus a $150 knife. I tend to lose my knives and I'm picky about scratches and such. I think I'll stick to the Tenacious. It's cheaper to replace when necessary. Stay sharp bro!
Agreed on everything you said...also a gun guy, but I'm a knife guy, too and I STILL don't use my $150 (and higher) knives for EDC. The Spyderco tenacious($50) and the Ontario Rat 1 ($35) are the best EDC knives on the planet 🌏
Good review but saying it's not as good because it was made in China is incorrect. The knife was designed to be a budget/entry level knife so it has cheaper steel and made in China for lower labor cost. China can make the same high quality Para 2 with same steel, etc for less because of labor costs. For the same reasons, a US made Tenacious with the same materials would be above the $50 price point because of various labor and taxes.
This is an interesting comparison. Alex at Outdoors55 did an edge retention test between these two. The Tenacious actually held up pretty well. I think Spyderco does a really good heat treat on their 8cr13mov. That being said, the PM2 is definitely a finer quality piece. Thanks for the info.
Agreed, I was a little hesitant at first because of the steel, but it's so well done I don't regret it at all. The knife is a tank, the blade shape is great for most common tasks, there's not much to complain about for a daily use knife.
😆 anybody can skew their own reviews any way they please. Personal experience is the ONLY absolute decision. Depends solely on your own use of the knife. I personally have yet to see any reason to pay $100+ for ANY knife. Personally, I've worked construction, and hunted and fished all of my life, and I would never pay over $100 for anything that doesn't take ammo.
@@chrissexton6634, I bought a Spyderco Tenacious for somewhere around $45 even though I thought Spydercos were ugly. If I could find a Manix 2 for that price I'd be all over it!
@@chrissexton6634, I also bought the lw, no oxide coating. I don't do much black ops stuff. But yeah, I like it a lot, cary it a lot. I have no complaints. I also bought a Brother knife (budget Manix 2), pretty happy with it too. When the Brother knife finally showed up it was scary sharp out of the box. MUCH sharper than the Spyderco Tenacious lightweight.
Knife Review just keep the videos coming! I love all kinds of knife videos and I watch reviews to decide what I want to buy! I’ll be coming to your channel a lot to see what I want next! If you ever need knives to review I can let you borrow some!
I have bought higher prices knives and failed to be impressed I have a griptilian in s30v and I will hands down take the tenacious over it. I also have a cheap esee avispa in D2 and the performance of that steel is no better than the 8cr13mov using them both on my job in a warehouse.
First thing: I don't know why people care how sharp a knife is "out of the box". You're never going to re-sharpen it? Second thing: People not liking liner locks because it puts your thumb in the path of the blade, and is "dangerous"? If you don't want to get hurt, don't play with knives!
Seems like if you're more utilitarian the differences between these are less than negligible. They both open and close, they both slice, they both have good grip. I feel like if you're quickly whipping your knife out and using it you're not gonna notice damnear any difference
I thought the Tenacious would be a really good beater knife. I purchased one with the FRN handles so I wouldn't baby it. It feels very cheap and plastic but it's lightweight with no play at all. It definitely covers the bases as a beater. It had so many pluses compared to negatives that I immediately ordered a Para 3.
still can't find my tenacious. i want a pm2 but can't justify buying it. my edc is a reate D9=A. AND WOULD HURT FAR MORE IT I HIT SOMEONE WITH OT. IT'S HEAVY AS FUK BUT IN A GOOD WAY IMHO.
Just watched a video of the s30 vs the 8cr13mov In real cutting tests and retention. The results are pretty funny for anyone who likes to run around and say how superior the s30 is. Tenacious is the winner here, unless you like to throw away $100 bills
I own both , both are excellent really but each in their own way , and obviously when comparing my s110 v pm 2 vs the 8cr of my tenacious there is zero comparison. Still though the tenacious is great for what it is and now that it is offered in better steel I may buy another .
1. Does the steel really matter that much for $100 price difference? Will it do $100 better? 2. The difference between the weight doesn't even reach 1 ounce. So what? Does it even matter? How does the weight even matter? 3. Do you need to change the pocket clip that much? 4. The sharpness, you can sharpen it by yourself. 5. Okay, the closing mechanism is a good point. 6. It's your nails, cut them. nah, sorry being an asshole. i think I spent too much watching edc-ers comparing knives and buying knives for the sake of brand or name rather than what they're really using it for.
It isn’t a matter of sharpening it yourself. It’s a matter of it staying sharper longer. 8CR13 is a softer steel so you will be forced to sharpen it more. S30V is harder and therefore harder to sharpen but will retain an edge longer. You’re being a dickhead for no reason without seemingly any idea as to what you’re fucking talking about.
@@cavalry1213 I don’t have to sharpen my 8CR13 steel with my tenacious often. And if I do it takes like 2-4 minutes. So if that bothers people I say spend the extra 100 bucks and get you one that you don’t have to sharpen much.
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9839 I am not against overseas made items, do not like China made though much at all. As you stated, many items are made overseas that we all own, but if there is a better USA made item from the brand I am willing to pay a little extra to support USA jobs. Do you consider that wrong?
Made in USA means everything to me, do I wear everything made in America? No but with knives I can make easier decisions choosing the made in USA! American made knives provide their workers a great life and usually have WAY better built knives and better warranty!
I can't argue with any of that, but I don't really feel that way about Spyderco. I carried a Japan made Delica 4 for almost 10 years, still do on occasion. I have knives from all their factories, except Italy, and I feel the quality of craftsmanship is up to par, but the materials used usually aren't. I have two of the Tenacious models, one in the Chinesium, and one in CPM M4. The M4 version was almost 3 times the price, but you can definitely feel the difference. They feel like two different knives. For a sub $100 knife, I think the Tenacious is a great option, and at around 130 buck or so, you can get one with some decent steel.
@@joel5716 I have the tenacious right now and I was planning on buying the pm2. I was actually going to but the benchmade bugout caught my eye before I could get to it 😂. Im still going to get one tho.
These are good knives no doubt about it, but with that said I'm afraid I can't buy either. Nope, I just can't justify the cost of either knife. The Ganzo G710 is a much better value and I know that it's made in China but so is the Tenacious as well as many other knives produced by various other manufactures that are based in the USA. I really wish that American manufactures could compete better with off shore manufactures, but IMO, we only have our great and wonderful politicians and over-greedy American corporations to thank for the situation we are currently in. They have been selling out the American people and American manufactures for years and I don't know how that will ever change but I believe that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we are progressing towards it fast. If you really want to see American manufactures do better, then my advice to you is to pay close attention to American economic policy and really consider who you vote for in all of the upcoming election cycles. You may also want to consider which American manufactures that you do support because politically, they are not all created equal, recent events in the news concerning Benchmade comes to mind. You may disagree with me and think "what the eff does this have to do with this video?" and my response would be that it has everything to do with this video, American economic policy is the driving force behind everything that is manufactured in the USA, and production cost is a big part of the equation.
A Spyderco made in China is the same quality as one made in USA (some knives from China are even better). If the PM2 was made in China, it would have been the same because it's the same Company. American knife makers are not any better than Chinese knife makers.
@@KnifeReview Explain why a knife, which is made by the SAME company, will be better when it's made in the USA than when it's made in China? Are you assuming that Chinese knife makers are incompetent?
You think that up until the point you have one in your hand, and understand metallurgy. The PM2 is offered in many different, better classed steels, but even here with S30V, it's light out. You're probably not a knife guy, but the PM2 will make you one.
@@redbertiethechampion1863 I wasn’t saying the knife was bad or poor quality. Only that it’s made by a country whose government is nothing short of evil.
Yes they are, however I am extremely anti-Chinese (government not people) and given that I try to avoid giving them money whenever possible. @@wolverinegnr
18cr13mov with a good heat treat, is a much better steel, than Chinese D2. D2 is hard to put a sharp edge and also takes much time and harder, than normal tools. 18cr13mov, holds just fine and is more stainless resistant than D2, which is much more preferable for a folding edc knfe. Stop, that nonsense, with steel snobs etc. It is a marketing trick, as the knife batoning trick, that has not only sold, thousand of knives, but also, knife batoning makes knves break, so they sell even more. If you don't sell knives, and you only review knives. Leave aside those marketing tricks. 1stp of all, most people, buy those knives, to play with them and not use them. 2nd, blade geometry, general blade design and heat treatment, is what makes a knife cut and slice good. not the steel. Steel, should be the last, people should look for. Also, expensive super steels etc, are very brittle and very hard to maintain (sharpen-repair edge damage etc). I just like truth, and hate money, sorry if my words hurt, it is the nature of truth. Take care
My Tenacious was very nice out of the box, smooth g10 (no sharp parts), nicely centered blade, a little stiff opening (being new), overall a wonderful knife for the price. Anyone considering getting a first Spyderco can't go wrong with the Tenacious.
Agreed. I just picked one up as my first spyderco, and I'm extremely happy with it.
I must concur on the Tenacious. Is it the best steel? No but not the worst and it it's very well made and worth every penny. Zero blade play. I just got a stainless VG-10 Endura today...very nice but it does have just a teet of blade play...just a teet.
Great comparison.. I opted for the tenacious simply because I know if I got a $150 ($200 in Canada) pm2, Id baby it and not use it lol. Just the way I am. Now with the tenacious I don't mind using it for some tougher jobs and putting it to hard work.
I did the same thing with the Gerber 06 fast instead of an auto. I just wish I could replace the blade with an s30v blade.
I said that about my benchmade 940 and my zt0450 and my para 3 but now they all haggard and still up to the task....except the 0450 that lock bar insert is shit but benchmade and para knives you find urself baby them for a week and then a buddy says lemme see ur knife and u say no and they say why you have it then and then it's like oh yeah it's made for this haha
I feel the same.with my manix don't want to break the tip... But with the Cara Cara 2 or tenacious lw I don't care at all.
Well that’s where you’re wrong. You’d be better off using a PM2 and using it. The steel will retain the edge longer, it’s a better built knife, you don’t have to deal with the liner lock and you get the best ergonomics of any knife I have ever felt. They’re amazing knives and you’d have been better off to spend the $150.
@@cavalry1213 Don't get me wrong, the PM2 is the better knife for sure. However for $200 where I live I cannot justify the price especially for a knife I want to hard use. Tenacious does that just fine and I won't feel bad if i break the knife ($40 vs $250).
I'll take a $50 spiderco with a longer edge that is easier to sharpen in the field over a $150 spiderco with a shorter edge that is harder to sharpen. I have both, I love both. I will say, though...... I have a tenacious on pretty much every bag I have, one in the truck, one in the car and one in my pocket. The para, however, I have only one of.
I would say that the knife I'm willing to use all the time is more valuable to me than a safe queen.
That's just me. I'm just a regular guy doing regular shit.
The shark In the water “I’m just a regular guy doing regular shit.” Love it!!!
Do you get better with time at popping the blade open with your middle finger? I can only do it with my thumb and even then only works half the time. But I just got the knife so I might need more practice!
My tenacious refuses to dull. It’s the blade that really drove home how crucial geometry is in blade shape.
I bought both of them at the same time and honestly for their price points, I love them both. I keep the PM2 on me for EDC and keep my tenacious in my pack if I need to cut something that could damage my blade.
I have both as well, I take the tenacious to work so I'm not putting excessive wear on the pm2. Both amazing knives for the money, but the tenacious works fine for me on its own
Good comparison… I’ve owned a tenacious for some time and lucked into finding a Sprint run Para 2 available 4 days ago which I bought immediately. Absolutely love it and compared to the 18MOV steel of my tenacious….this sprint run came with CMP S45VN and textured green G10 scales. Do they compare ? A bit
Now if you can use the Spyderco to cut your nails that would make it in my book the ultimate EDC knife
Was originally planning getting the Tenacious, but i think i wait and get the PM2, maybe even in S110V
Went to comments to check if anyone counted how much times he said "It's going to be"
The "it's going to be" drinking game would be fatal
Hey buddy how can I get mine to open deploy fast man is hard I already messed with the screw and Nada still very hard to open nothing like yours I have that tenasious
CJ Barba I had the same issue you’ve gotta put a tiny bit of oil on the pivot and don’t the right technique
Awesome! Thanks for the great video
Thanks for watching!
Great comparison! The only thing I would add is the reason the pm2 is longer is the front choil you get to be able to choke up better for more detailed work. Thanks. Enjoy
Great review man.
Got a Tenacious.
I've been opening coconuts and dispatching lobsters with it.
Have not sharpened it yet.
It's a dream.
You should review nail clippers.
Lmao Jesus leave the man alone
Just bought a tenacious with s35vn steel and love it so far.
So how do you justify the 100 dollar difference? Better sharpness retention in the steel used? If that sharpness holds 3 times as long, it might be worth it, but does it?
Nope. Most of these knive company’s are raping us and laughing it off.
I have both. The PM2 is obviously better but for knife lovers, there is a definitely a place for budget knives.
I have about a dozen Spyderco knives. Not a big fan of the compression lock models, as they pinch my index finger 9 out of 10 times I open them, regardless of size. I picked up the 40 dollar version of the Tenacious, and liked it so much I got the CPM M4 version. Of all the Spidies, the Tenacious is one of the most comfortable and user friendly knives I have. I polished a set of copper scales for the PM2, and will never see my pocket, Lol.
I have a tenacious and use it everyday at my job and haven’t had any issues or dulling of the blade (cutting rope and shrink wrap) it’s a solid knife for the price point …..I’ve had benchmade and lost all of them😡😡😡😡 tenacious is definitely cheaper to loose 😝
Great review "Knife Review". Quick question, r u the same guy from "Shade Review"?
Yes this is my third channel and my newest!
So thats why your voice sounded very familiar
I just got my third PM2 today. I like how with the Compression lock you can hold it down and fling open the blade.
Gosh, I had forgotten about it! I'm UK legal nowadays and non-lock-back releasable (edit for clarification)...
@@magnuskallasPlease explain. You live in the United Kingdom? I understand that part, but the rest doesn't make sense to me.
@@schneir5 You are not allowed to carry lock-back blade in UK as a civilian (multitool is exception for builders etc.) So all my previous Spyderco's were lock-back back in the days. Now I carry the double-line-lock (?) specially made for UK. So it means I can't "drop" the blade, it closes by force. Model UKPK. For home gardening and other crafts :)
@@magnuskallas Okay sorry, that makes sense. It sucks that you have to deal with strict weapon related laws like that, and at the same time don't have the perks like legal Cannabis, like Canada has.
Are you still allowed to order the locking blade knives, and just leave them at home? That's how it is with some knives here too, like automatic opening knives or butterfly knives. I've read that the reason butterfly knives are illegal is they are worried about people accidentally cutting themselves. You're not supposed to carry them around unless you're law enforcement, but you can have it in your own house here.
@@schneir5 You can collect, but you can't carry. This is where I come off as a full blown right-winger without any second thoughts - most, if not 99% percent of blade attacks are carried out with illegal street blades or kitchen knives. Certain cultures call for action, they accuse proper knife carriers of violence... Listen people, sort your getto culture out before going after professionals. I bet zero people get stabbed in UK using proper credit-card licensed premium blades. Same goes for shootings, though it is a muddier area for A. an accident often is lethal B. a legal gun can be stolen and used on the streets, where liberals will aways protect the minority and in fact the legal owner might end up in court for having bad storage.
The compression lock isn’t like a liner lock in the back. One is an opposing force in one direction. The other is an opposing force in two directions.
Where can i get this version of the tenacious?
Blade HQ
I own both and I may be stepping on alot of toes by saying this but, other than the thumb hole size and blade steel, the tenacious has the pm2 beat. The blade steel can easily be debated considering the tenacious almost sharpens itself with just a couple of strops on the peter.
Lock and ergonomics are way better on the PM2. And 8cr13mov is leagues behind S30V/S45VN.
@@doomgang2541 yes, cross a mofo with a butter knife who knows his worth and blade steel ain't jack compared to a sliver of wood.
Liner locker?
are these knifes assisted or is he just flicking it really hard
I like the colors and the blade shape of the Tenacious. I would love to see a Tenacious in quality materials.
I have both of these I like them both honestly and if you didn’t know it in my opinion I don’t think u would say the 2 is 100 bucks more unless u know steels and knives obviously
I got a carbon fiber tenacious I love it I recently just ordered a pm2 I can’t wait
Hmmm, I love my Tenacious. If it came in S30V or S35VN, it'd probably be the only knife I carry.
they make one in s35vn
Can’t wait to get my hands on the paramilitary 2 personally
Ok its all a bunch of marketing b.s, honestly the tenacious is all the spyderco you should need.besides i dont mind sharpening my blades i love my stones and strops as much as i love my knives it all passion i get more pleasure from sharpening them than looking at them
The question here is..." do you need those little extras and the blade quality of the Paramilitary 2 vs. the longer cutting edge and monetary savings of the Tenacious ?"
For an EDC pocket knife...the Tenacious is A OK.
For military use, survival in the bush...the Paramilitary 2 might be for you.
Real life...Tenacious
Armchair warriors...Paramilitary 2
Spyderco needs to either change the steel or lower the price. When you can spend ~$50 and get D2 on a Civivi Elementum or spend ~$80 and get S35VN for the same knife, the Tenacious doesn’t hold up. You’re just paying that “Spidey tax.”
They can easily just upgrade the steel on the tenacious then I’d buy one.
No they can't easily do it. Sal has said their Chinese manufacturers refuse to work with better steels. I think he mentioned something about them not having the proper heat treating equipment.
Judgedbyall No need. They both hold the edge at the same rate. And ones easier to sharper. Been tested too many times on TH-cam. But buy American if it makes you feel good. Makes me feel good. Love that USA logo.
Once you have the pm2 in hand all is understood
Spyderco just announced a Tenacious with s35vn blade for around 98 bucks.
@Mickey McCracken Where did I say I wanted that. I just added info to the comments about upgraded steel to the Tenacious.
Looks as if you used a deburring blade on the para 2. You can lightly run a deburring blade on the tenacious thumbhole and that'll take care of any sharp edging.
Dude, I don't have the energy to look through comments to see is anyone else heard this, but you are McLovin' doing knife reviews...lol.
Just ordered a PM2 in S45vn. It will be my first spyderco. I sharpened my friends Tenacious last week. Not a bad knife at all. Think it's what made me want to add a spyder.
“Going to” ?...?.?.
Got both... and the PM2 is absolute another level then the Tenacious, but then again the price is also much lower. You just cannot beat the smoothness of the PM2. Its just like butter
You gotta try the Para 3 now. It's even better! If you like a smaller knife.
Dude... watch your videos and listen to how often you say “going to.”
You let your bias distort your review so much it's ridiculous. How is the PM2 "overbuilt" but the Tenacious is not? You don't even try to explain how it's overbuilt. The PM2 is not anymore "overbuilt" than the Tenacious. Not a chance. You're just trying desperately to justify the high price by saying that. Also, your bias shows through when you say the PM2 will be sharper out of the box. LMAO. There are variations in sharpness with both models out of the box. The price difference is because of the steel, the patented compression lock, and it being made in the USA instead of China. That is all.
That being said, I'd definitely pay that much more to not have that garbage steel.
@@tonzophun Depends on what people would use it for. s30v will chip a lot more than 8cr13mov. 8cr might be the most used knife steel on the planet. It's far from garbage. If all you do is cut cardboard, s30v is clearly the better choice. But if you work on a farm and might end up needing to cut some twine on top of a steel sheet, s30v will chip like hell.
@@BornIn1500 I've used s30v for years, and have never had it chip. Meanwhile, all the 8cr knives I've had could hardly hold an edge, and rusted like crazy. S30v is undoubtedly the better steel out of the two.
Liner locks are not dangerous, if you know what you're doing. For a person that actually uses their knives a softer steel is better.
exactly, i've never cut my thumb in 20 years of using these types of knives. I use the tip of my thumb as opposed to the middle portion
I like how you said "the knife cut me before". Where can I buy one of those fully autonomous A.I. knives? Can you program it not to cut you?
Love my pm2 LH.
Bought both these knives. At the end of the day, these both lose their edge at the same rate. It’s been demonstrated over and over again on TH-cam. You can destroy the tenacious and you’ll only have to spend $50 for a new knife. My para costs $150, I mean, I’m a gun guy. Rather use the money on gun accessories. I don’t wanna destroy my $150 knife. So I’m hesitant to even you it. If you’re a knife enthusiast, Para is the way to go. It’s made in the USA, better Steel, better ergonomics. But if you’re a normal guy, Tenacious hands down. Blade is just as sharp, hold the edge the same, and it cost $50. And it’s ergonomics are excellent, but just a tad bit less that the other.
This is a really good comment. I have the Tenacious and I love it. I'm debating on the PM2 because I like the steel but if what you're saying is true then it's not really worth it. I agree with the logic behind the having a $50 versus a $150 knife. I tend to lose my knives and I'm picky about scratches and such. I think I'll stick to the Tenacious. It's cheaper to replace when necessary. Stay sharp bro!
Agreed on everything you said...also a gun guy, but I'm a knife guy, too and I STILL don't use my $150 (and higher) knives for EDC. The Spyderco tenacious($50) and the Ontario Rat 1 ($35) are the best EDC knives on the planet 🌏
Good review but saying it's not as good because it was made in China is incorrect. The knife was designed to be a budget/entry level knife so it has cheaper steel and made in China for lower labor cost. China can make the same high quality Para 2 with same steel, etc for less because of labor costs. For the same reasons, a US made Tenacious with the same materials would be above the $50 price point because of various labor and taxes.
China is trash anything made in America is always better...
Good video, got right to the point. You say Spyderco over and over again. We KNOW it's a Spyderco. Jeez man!
This is an interesting comparison. Alex at Outdoors55 did an edge retention test between these two. The Tenacious actually held up pretty well. I think Spyderco does a really good heat treat on their 8cr13mov. That being said, the PM2 is definitely a finer quality piece. Thanks for the info.
Agreed, I was a little hesitant at first because of the steel, but it's so well done I don't regret it at all. The knife is a tank, the blade shape is great for most common tasks, there's not much to complain about for a daily use knife.
😆 anybody can skew their own reviews any way they please. Personal experience is the ONLY absolute decision. Depends solely on your own use of the knife. I personally have yet to see any reason to pay $100+ for ANY knife. Personally, I've worked construction, and hunted and fished all of my life, and I would never pay over $100 for anything that doesn't take ammo.
Man iv never heard it put better than this!! Your comment is 💣💥
I feel the same way... But bought a manix 2 let for 65$ used with bd1n steel that's about my range for expensive knifes. Lol.
@@chrissexton6634, I bought a Spyderco Tenacious for somewhere around $45 even though I thought Spydercos were ugly. If I could find a Manix 2 for that price I'd be all over it!
@@ronstoner1823 I did for sure. And then bought the tenacious lw with black oxide coating. Lol have a problem.
@@chrissexton6634, I also bought the lw, no oxide coating. I don't do much black ops stuff. But yeah, I like it a lot, cary it a lot. I have no complaints. I also bought a Brother knife (budget Manix 2), pretty happy with it too. When the Brother knife finally showed up it was scary sharp out of the box. MUCH sharper than the Spyderco Tenacious lightweight.
Nice review yet again! Get this man more subs!
Thanks so much! I’m just starting be hoping to keep getting better
Knife Review just keep the videos coming! I love all kinds of knife videos and I watch reviews to decide what I want to buy! I’ll be coming to your channel a lot to see what I want next! If you ever need knives to review I can let you borrow some!
only if he cuts his nails
I have the tenacious and i love it..im not a knife enthusiast tho
Just curious (I could just look up) but for the sake of people knowing.. does the tenacious come with the lifetime spydie warranty?
I have bought higher prices knives and failed to be impressed I have a griptilian in s30v and I will hands down take the tenacious over it. I also have a cheap esee avispa in D2 and the performance of that steel is no better than the 8cr13mov using them both on my job in a warehouse.
First thing: I don't know why people care how sharp a knife is "out of the box". You're never going to re-sharpen it?
Second thing: People not liking liner locks because it puts your thumb in the path of the blade, and is "dangerous"?
If you don't want to get hurt, don't play with knives!
Seems like if you're more utilitarian the differences between these are less than negligible. They both open and close, they both slice, they both have good grip. I feel like if you're quickly whipping your knife out and using it you're not gonna notice damnear any difference
worth the money for the pm2
Harley Fillmore three times the price of the tenacious.
Fugly blades
I want the tan one so bad and it’s never ever in stock
They’re both THE SAME KNIFE!
Like Zoolander’s looks.
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$47 for the tenacious ❗️They're £80 in the UK 😫
You sound like the comic book guy from the Simpson's 😂
And that is not a bad thing
Not at all
Worst. Post. Ever!
I thought the Tenacious would be a really good beater knife. I purchased one with the FRN handles so I wouldn't baby it. It feels very cheap and plastic but it's lightweight with no play at all. It definitely covers the bases as a beater. It had so many pluses compared to negatives that I immediately ordered a Para 3.
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still can't find my tenacious. i want a pm2 but can't justify buying it. my edc is a reate D9=A. AND WOULD HURT FAR MORE IT I HIT SOMEONE WITH OT. IT'S HEAVY AS FUK BUT IN A GOOD WAY IMHO.
Those nails put squirrels nails to shame!
Shaper then the knife 😬
I got the $50 one cause I'm not a price barbie
Just watched a video of the s30 vs the 8cr13mov In real cutting tests and retention. The results are pretty funny for anyone who likes to run around and say how superior the s30 is. Tenacious is the winner here, unless you like to throw away $100 bills
The only thing I don't really like about the Spyderco tenacious is the pocket clip too much of the knife sticks out of the pocket
James McIntyre Put a Lynch Northwest clip on it. Make sure you have a quality driver to take the screws out. They’re cheap screws
It's going to be!
I own both , both are excellent really but each in their own way , and obviously when comparing my s110 v pm 2 vs the 8cr of my tenacious there is zero comparison. Still though the tenacious is great for what it is and now that it is offered in better steel I may buy another .
If you want a large folder in 8Cr13MoV try the CRKT Bob Kasper. Half the price of the tenacious.
And a really nice knife !
1. Does the steel really matter that much for $100 price difference? Will it do $100 better?
2. The difference between the weight doesn't even reach 1 ounce. So what? Does it even matter? How does the weight even matter?
3. Do you need to change the pocket clip that much?
4. The sharpness, you can sharpen it by yourself.
5. Okay, the closing mechanism is a good point.
6. It's your nails, cut them.
nah, sorry being an asshole. i think I spent too much watching edc-ers comparing knives and buying knives for the sake of brand or name rather than what they're really using it for.
It isn’t a matter of sharpening it yourself. It’s a matter of it staying sharper longer. 8CR13 is a softer steel so you will be forced to sharpen it more. S30V is harder and therefore harder to sharpen but will retain an edge longer.
You’re being a dickhead for no reason without seemingly any idea as to what you’re fucking talking about.
@@cavalry1213 I don’t have to sharpen my 8CR13 steel with my tenacious often. And if I do it takes like 2-4 minutes. So if that bothers people I say spend the extra 100 bucks and get you one that you don’t have to sharpen much.
@@cavalry1213 wym mans just spitting facts
Or you could use 2 hands to close and open
Was interested in the Tenacious until you said "Made in China". I'll pass now and pay more for a "Made in USA" model, like the PM2.
Manix 2 is another great choice.
JB54379 :- Also trade in your phone, computer, tablet, TV...for a made in U.S. model...good luck!
Ouch!
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9839 I am not against overseas made items, do not like China made though much at all.
As you stated, many items are made overseas that we all own, but if there is a better USA made item from the brand I am willing to pay a little extra to support USA jobs.
Do you consider that wrong?
Made in USA means everything to me, do I wear everything made in America? No but with knives I can make easier decisions choosing the made in USA! American made knives provide their workers a great life and usually have WAY better built knives and better warranty!
I can't argue with any of that, but I don't really feel that way about Spyderco. I carried a Japan made Delica 4 for almost 10 years, still do on occasion. I have knives from all their factories, except Italy, and I feel the quality of craftsmanship is up to par, but the materials used usually aren't. I have two of the Tenacious models, one in the Chinesium, and one in CPM M4. The M4 version was almost 3 times the price, but you can definitely feel the difference. They feel like two different knives. For a sub $100 knife, I think the Tenacious is a great option, and at around 130 buck or so, you can get one with some decent steel.
Yes the pm2 has better steel until you wind up with a fake pm2
I have a smith and Wesson knife that is $25.
Me too made by Gerber I heard
I sure hope that the paramilitary it better, its $140...
Oh its amazing I own one had it for a year and haven't sharpened it yet and used it all the time and it still has a pretty good edge on it
@@joel5716 I have the tenacious right now and I was planning on buying the pm2. I was actually going to but the benchmade bugout caught my eye before I could get to it 😂. Im still going to get one tho.
@@christianhaykus452 🤣🤣 I feel that
I buy American made spyderco's if I want less I buy crkt!
These are good knives no doubt about it, but with that said I'm afraid I can't buy either. Nope, I just can't justify the cost of either knife. The Ganzo G710 is a much better value and I know that it's made in China but so is the Tenacious as well as many other knives produced by various other manufactures that are based in the USA. I really wish that American manufactures could compete better with off shore manufactures, but IMO, we only have our great and wonderful politicians and over-greedy American corporations to thank for the situation we are currently in. They have been selling out the American people and American manufactures for years and I don't know how that will ever change but I believe that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we are progressing towards it fast.
If you really want to see American manufactures do better, then my advice to you is to pay close attention to American economic policy and really consider who you vote for in all of the upcoming election cycles. You may also want to consider which American manufactures that you do support because politically, they are not all created equal, recent events in the news concerning Benchmade comes to mind. You may disagree with me and think "what the eff does this have to do with this video?" and my response would be that it has everything to do with this video, American economic policy is the driving force behind everything that is manufactured in the USA, and production cost is a big part of the equation.
Ex-Sub Sailor
I have the Ganzo g710 and the tenacious and there is simply no comparison, it’s a completely different kind of knife
Why do you keep saying 'is going to be'? Like the knife hasn't happened yet... Did anyone else find this super annoying?
Meh
The Tenacious has rounded handles, the PM 2 don't ☹️👎
Dudes are complaining about his nails but it’s bothering me everytime he says “knifes” 😭😭😂. Cool vid tho
Knives, not knifes.....fyi
A Spyderco made in China is the same quality as one made in USA (some knives from China are even better). If the PM2 was made in China, it would have been the same because it's the same Company. American knife makers are not any better than Chinese knife makers.
You couldn’t be more wrong 😂😂😂
@@KnifeReview Explain why a knife, which is made by the SAME company, will be better when it's made in the USA than when it's made in China? Are you assuming that Chinese knife makers are incompetent?
There’s a reason why Spyderco makes all there shit knives in China. And there expensive nice ones in Golden CO.
WTF? Are you drunk or high? How dare you reply to me like this!
Your videos are 💩, not knives made in China! 😡
They’re just too big for me and I’m 6foot5. I wish I could see them in Person . I wonder if spyderco would ever do a para 2 mini ??
Try the para 3
I have Tenacious it is a great knife but I would like to have Para 3 it seems to be a better 😁 @djole8590 all the best form Serbia
Does spyderco sell nail clippers? 😂😂😂
Let's play drinking game: every time he says "going to" have a shot :D
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That blade is not worth a 100 dollars more no way is .
You think that up until the point you have one in your hand, and understand metallurgy. The PM2 is offered in many different, better classed steels, but even here with S30V, it's light out.
You're probably not a knife guy, but the PM2 will make you one.
Xrilliam7.62 yup. I bought a tenacious and decided to buy a pm3 bc the pm2 is too big for my small hands. Sold my tenacious instantly 😂
The pm2 blade is 3.4 inch maggot
Isn't the Tenacious made in China? That's worth the extra hundred alone.
I’ve had my Tenacious for years! Darn good knife!! No lack of quality even tho its made i n China!
@@redbertiethechampion1863 I wasn’t saying the knife was bad or poor quality. Only that it’s made by a country whose government is nothing short of evil.
@@MegaBlackleyMost of American household products are made in China
Yes they are, however I am extremely anti-Chinese (government not people) and given that I try to avoid giving them money whenever possible. @@wolverinegnr
Use the para 2, to cut them nails 🤢
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18cr13mov with a good heat treat, is a much better steel, than Chinese D2. D2 is hard to put a sharp edge and also takes much time and harder, than normal tools. 18cr13mov, holds just fine and is more stainless resistant than D2, which is much more preferable for a folding edc knfe. Stop, that nonsense, with steel snobs etc. It is a marketing trick, as the knife batoning trick, that has not only sold, thousand of knives, but also, knife batoning makes knves break, so they sell even more. If you don't sell knives, and you only review knives. Leave aside those marketing tricks. 1stp of all, most people, buy those knives, to play with them and not use them. 2nd, blade geometry, general blade design and heat treatment, is what makes a knife cut and slice good. not the steel. Steel, should be the last, people should look for. Also, expensive super steels etc, are very brittle and very hard to maintain (sharpen-repair edge damage etc). I just like truth, and hate money, sorry if my words hurt, it is the nature of truth. Take care
This guy knows what he is talking about!
Full of dog squeeze! Not gunked up! You took a sharpie to it. Why cant you just admit it????????????
You didn’t sell me on the extra $100. Your nails need to be cut, maybe it won’t take a chunk out every time you open the tenacious?