I haven't even seen the first 5 minutes and already love the video. In my town in Egypt, we still have dozens of these engines powering tourist boats. Actually they are still sort after because they are still the most reliable even if they were built in the 60's!!!! I have sailed hundreds of thousands of miles on these engines and never experienced a failure. This lovely grey haired man was certainly the best for this video. Thank you so much for making this video and sharing it.
a long time ago i read something , i think it was in a british trucking magazine , it had a gardner ad , and it said " at gardner , we know a thing or two about engines " !
I’ve recently discovered your channel and have always thought highly of Gardner engines. I’d just like to say, your videos have been an education. These really are another shining example of excellent British engineering and design. Maintenance friendly, reliable and strong as an ox. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with your viewers.
I remember visiting the Gardner factory in the mid sixties. A vivid recollection of seeing a forged steel billet being straightened by an elderly gentleman. He was using some kind of a drop hammer, quite large and you could see the crank bending. It would then be machined to spec. I think a Gardner crank was machined all over. Thank you for the video's, they are priceless.
I served on an Admiralty type 75' MFV 1256 in the early seventies, with the Royal Naval Auxiliary Service. She was a left over vessel from the 1940's. She had a Perkins P4 220 v DC generator for sea going duties and a Perkins P3 for harbour duties. Main propulsion was by a Gardner 8 L3B engine. Brilliant sea boats, although not very quick, the Gardner was like a sewing machine! On long runs, we would tie the gear lever in the ahead position, open the throttle fully and away she'd go. Apart from regular engineroom checks and filling the hourly log in, operating them was a doddle! I Loved them! I remember visiting the Minesweeper base in Ostend, whilst on board the I.M.S. XSV Shipham M2726, we noticed that the Belgians were using Gardner engines only with a different nameplate on them!
The happiest time in my life was as a stoker on MFV 140 working out of Kyle of Lochalsh. I was straight out of the RN, and I couldn't believe the relaxed environment in which I now found myself to be in. The 8L3B was a delight to work on. The only thing that was annoying was the Bramah belting used to drive the dynamo, which was a pain in the proverbial to adjust. Unfortunately the boat went for disposal after the engine moved, rather alarmingly, on it's bearers on rough weather. Subsequently we found out that it was secured to the bearers with coach screws. We got a new fleet tender (Melton) after the 140, but the job was never the same. I still keep in touch with the surviving crew members though, and the conversation always reverts to our time on the 140.
@@harrysaunders6180 Agreed Harry! They were a doddle to run and maintain and bloody good sea boats too! When I joined RNXS in 1972, the first boat I went on was Loyal Factor, an early Fleet Tender. We didn't have her long after I joined, as she was seconded by the Army in Northern Ireland. We had a Ham class IMS called Thakeham and when loyal Factor was taken, we got another IMS called Shipham. Shipham was seconded for a few months in 1974, when one of the Inshore Survey boats suffered a serious fire' which was when we had 1256. I spent most of my time on the IMS's and these were my favourites 1977 saw the arrival of a new Fleet Tender by the name of Loyal Helper. She replaced Thakeham, she was a good boat but lacked the character of the IMS's, not only that, hardly anything ever went wrong, so not a good learning platform for junior engineers. These were eventually joined by the P20 class fast patrol boats, which had twin V-12 Rolls Royce ex Challenger tank engines. Phenomenally thirsty and not being a true marine engine, were a pain in the arse to work on, having to remove air boxes filters and god knows what, to get to the injectors but happy days all the same. Would go back tomorrow, although 'Her indoors' would definitely have something to say on that!!
Got to know Gardiners in ZA’s Zululand on the Hluhluwe river many years ago, driving irrigation pumps : a magnificent piece of engineering and power source - complimént! Brings back the fondest memories imaginable...Thank you kindly.
What I love most about this video is the information, the way it’s presented is simply fabulous and really interesting to watch. Nothing I like more in a TH-cam video than information that is correct and also people who know what they’re talking about, this TH-cam channel is amazing and definitely will be subscribing.Thank you for sharing this video and brightening up the day for all of us engine lovers
Id love one of these Sat on My Mantlepiece, just to listen too instead of a Swiss watch & sit in awe of the craftsmanship involved. When Britain was Great , not in the Gutter as today.
They're a wonderful engine. The trawler I worked on (now decommissioned) used one of those engines for propulsion. It never missed a beat and to this day I can still remember the sound.
In Holland this wellknown story quote: an U K fisherman stops with eat Meat, Butter etcetera. Only an egg .....because he needs an new Gardner and that is the only engine he trust.
Britain should honour these unusual engineers, knowing such magnificent engineering inside out, in a way which would preserve their skills and knowledge for posterity…👊
Great engines . Fishing lobster/shark out of port Adelaide Australia to southern ocean . Most had Gardner we has 6lx manual box . Seen a 8lx running and Capt brought down to one cylinder Amazing . Thank you looking forward to more Joe
I started an 8 cylinder Gardner for a chap in Cornwall some years ago. Similar job Joe, got the deisel up and it cracked up almost instantly. Lovey piece of kit they have there. Thanks.
I had the enjoyment of working with the 8L3B and 2 x 8LX, my favourite was always the 8L3B, magnificent engine. You can start it by hand cranking (if you flick the valve levers of course) I loved listening to each cylinder firing.
I've actually done that with my late father, hand started a 8L3B, that he had in an MFV purchased from the Admiralty. If I remember correctly she fired up on the third attempt. Which wasn't too bad as she had been laid up pending sale for nearly a year in Roysth naval dockyard. Yes certainly agree with everyone that the Gardners were a great engine.
What a very interesting video, I have no experience whatsoever with marine variants but many years ago I gave a friend a hand with his bus restoration which has a Gardner and honestly what a great engine it was
@@MrCrabbing She is called Stella Anne and she fished with the Jubilee Fishing Company at Grimsby. She came out of fishing in 1997 and I found her abandoned at Brixham in Sept 1998. We restored her to good health , converted her for cruising and enjoyed her for 20 years going up to Western Isles , down to Brittany , Channel Islands and Scilly Islands.
@@simonduff117 do you have any pictures I’m from Paignton and keep my boat in Brixham and worked on the Fleur De France from Grimsby in the late 90s on and off
Often work on my uncles survey boat with a pair of 8L3B's they are a pleasure to work on! He also has a newer vessel with a pair of cummins QSM11's, and i know which engines i prefer!!
Love the Gardner I've had 3large commercial vessels and a Gardner in each the last vessel I built I had 2 in it propulsion and power 6Lxb&a4Lw for power
There are many stories of how Gardener Diesels are reliable so much so they have been seen many times running till the very last when the boat/ship was sinking. A truly top pick for any displacement boat.
When we had occasion to overhaul a Gardner diesel, it was a great experience. They were easy to do, but you had to follow their recommended practices. One thing I remember is that the cylinder liners had to be assembled using Lard. Yes, rendered down sheep fat! If you did not you would get "hot spots" on the liners and that led to a piston grabbing the liner. Needless to say we did not have that problem.
Great video,the Irish peat board(bord na mona)used gardner engines to power the massive peat harvesting machines used from the 50s in the Midlands bogs,to prevent fire they filled in all around the exhaust manifold with fire cement reinforced with wire mesh,their reliability and easy starting was a big plus.
Yes, in the very early days Bord na Mona had to design their own peat harvesting machines, until the Russians entered the market. I believe the used Gypsum as a fire cement.
Dear Mr. JOE, i remember an twin starter engine, the year 1965 Engine Thornycroft, in fact AEC AV 1100. Marinized by Thornycroft. Norm. asp. engine 18 ltr. 228 BHP at 1700 rpm Incredible engine with a lot of power! The pitch of the prop 3 x increased and free from smoke . Mussel Cutter in the NL The time of swichting on de second C A V starter was delayed. The armature pinion engaged the flywheer gearing than the second starter schwitched on B t w an hydraulic damper was installed between the Morse cable and the lever on the (hydraulic) governor. 4 valve separate single cyl.heads. Bore x stroke 156 x 156 mm Pity during the running in periode the lower oil control ring was NOT installed!!! But great engine with a beautyfull sound
(Roly)....they are a beautiful ,quality engine, i worked on them many years ago on fishing vessels.its a pity that Gardner did not keep up with technology.
They have 2 lift pumps because they have 2 fuel injector pumps. I wouldn't have thought that was rocket science or over-kill. One for each pump... pretty much common sense to my mind.
Great engine for boats and generator sets but for trucks Gardner were very slow. Reliability was second to none in their day but when manufacturers like Scania,Volvo,Daf,Cat,Cummins,Man and Mercedes came along the game was up for Gardner,they wouldn’t adapt to the changing needs of transport and paid the price. From being a top Diesel engine manufacturer who used to have a two year waiting list for engines to shutting the factory in Patricroft seem incredible,what a shame.
I drove an erf 8 wheel tanker from cheddar to dalgetes in poole 6lxb with fuller 9 speed,talk about struggle ,it went anyway and back,I've never sweated so much.
I worked for Gardner in the crankcase departement in the mid 70s and used a 6XLB I marinized myself in 1983 for use in a 70 foot Ketch. It worked without fault and started first pluck every time. Shame they are gone now. Maybe I machined the crankcase on this one.!
I used to o/haul Gardner cam boxes and fuel pumps and injectors..calibration etc. ..every time there was a fairground in the area guys would bring injectiors for servicing,some had never been out of the generators for years…they were a bastard to re- condition after all that time..only Rustons and some Leyland injectors were on a par with with Gardner for difficulty in servicing these brats…the nozzles and needles in the injectors were separate and you had to centralise the nozzle and needles in a jig before you tightened the cap nut ..a skill on it’s own..I worked as a fuel injection engineer and covered all kind of injection systems and all kinds of applications for about 20 years..good times..,
Nice one Joe. We currently have two 8L3B’ in one of our vessels. Solid engines. Loads of power for very small amount of fuel used. Just learnt some interesting points. Thanks. I wish ours were as clean as this one. We’re there is no heads gasket, just an O ring on the liner, is it normal to have oil leak from there?
My friend had a early 1950s Leyland Tiger single deck bus with Gardener engine. It did 18mpg with the town geared back axle. A more normal ratio would have seen well over 20mpg. (Imperial gallons).
Considering amount of fuel they don't use and the low temperature of the burn. The emissions must be pretty clean or at least they would be pretty easy to make them so. Cannot be so difficult to cast the block either. Mercedes are going the Gardner way with their latest engines like the econic low rpm, long stroke and high torque
Ollie Reed Unfortunately total emissions and the type of emissions are not necessarily low just because the fuel use and running temps are low, far more complicated than that....
i was a bus driver back in the eighties and many of the buses (MBS or metrobus) used Gardner engines. they were very slow revving and always seemed to be a bit underpowered and certainly could have done with a turbo charger.
I remember being turned down for a job in their Patricroft factory back in '77 (luckily for me). I did end up working in there for a while for Norweb putting lighting in .... The Mercury Arc rectifier that fed the gantry cranes was Scary .... as were the "girls" working in the foundry! It is a group of industrial units now .... and a Police Vehicle Compound ... with their leasure facilities a housing estate (yes it was that big) Sad to see their demise!
Years ago I worked for loctite, I was responsible for Gardener engines in Eccles Manchester. I saw the amazing skills producing these to such tight tolerances in the pre cadcam era. The whole ideology was quality led. I think the chief engineer was called Mr Such a real gentleman. It was apparent they were doomed in a throw away world, turbocharging was an anathema as it presented reliability issues. These things will run for almost ever before a rebuild and then run to infinity. Beauty in cast iron, forged steel bronze and aluminium.
Gardiner were owned by Perkins for a while.Their downfall was when Cummins opened their engine production plant in Scotland producing the N14.Cheaper than Gardiner,way more horsepower but nowhere as economical.Problem with the truck engine market today is that Cummins have the ball at their foot since CAT gave up on production off on highway engines.
@@eugeneoreilly9356 I worked for ingersoll rand after loctite and at one time they owned Cummins we used their in line six and v sixes in some machines. We paid for absorbed horse power (Fuelling settings) as that determined warranty costs and engine life. Most of those will be junk now, but I expect some of the gardeners soldier on, particularly marine. There’s a cat RE manufacturing in the town i live near, was RR then Perkins now CAT. But it’s tiny compared to the RR and Perkins days.
@@tomtd Yeah Tom,Perkins bought RR diesels then CAT bought Perkins.The famous RR Eagle range continued for a few years after unchanged but with a CAT badge and painted yellow until it too finally disappeared.
In my opinion the Gardner 8lxb, was the best engine ever manufactured. We had Gardner trucks, many of them at John Baird Transport, Cumnock Never ever had any problems with them at all. The bother we had were the Rolls Royce 220, Gardner, never a spanner near them Bruce.
It’s a lovely thing! Built to do what it has to do relentlessly and reliably. Reminds me of a Lee-Enfield which others constantly mock. Engineering decisions tend to assert themselves when you least expect it and conservative ones often make sense. I can see you love that beautiful engine.
Ahh, bliss - I was working on HGV's late 70's to early 80's. I met this beast occasionally with 2 pots protruding from the rear of a Foden cab. You were right to shut her down sharp, as you know, coz within seconds you would have been reduced to tears with the fumes🤣 Cummins were another engine option - completely different design ideals but none the less capable. You could crack them up and be able to breathe with your head up the exhaust. And Rolls Royce 'Eagle' diesels - oh dear! For saying Rolls Royce had a reputation with plane engines and cars, what happened with their diesel design? I never did understand?
Raymond Welch, I'm from Tasmania Australia and have been a commercial fisherman for more than sixty years, I've had all models of gardner engines in that time and the last one I had was an 8L3B which I purchased new in 1982 and it went into a 61foot conventional wooden boat and it cost $ 78, 200 Australian dollars and work every cent of it ,it was 230Hp@ 1150 rpm the bore was five and a half inches and bore seven and three quarters inches,it was swinging a 52 x38 four blade prop through a 509 twin disk box with 3:5 to 1 reduction, steaming at 1000 revs would give us eight and a half knots and use around four and a half gallons per hour, I never lost one days fishing in 14 years because of engine problems, cheers from Tasmania
Regarding Lawrence Gardner,s 8L3B, was the original design from the early to mid 1930,s?, if so Scammell missed a golden opportunity to fit this monster in a beefed up Pioneer,. Think what Norman E Box, Uncle Percy of Wynns ,and Tommy Sunters of Northallerton could have done with such power,. By the early 1930,s Heavy haulage underwent radical changes, from steam to diesel traction,. Lawrence Gardner,s 6LW flew out Patricrofts gates as fast as the factory could make them , a fair few to Scammell Lorries of Tolpits Lane Watford Middlesex .
The big problem with Gardner is they were stuck in the past. Gardner for a long time frowned on turbos when other makes forged ahead with advanced big power units. This thing may be durable but it's very low on power & torque, 250hp from 24litres is very poor..
Oops.. Marine and gen set use there is no more reliable and fuel efficient engine available. Some of These things have been running generators in places like India and Africa for decades with very little maintenance (and in some cases without air filters)! Turbo diesels tend to sacrifice longevity, reliability and fuel economy for power. It all depends on what you want them to do. I'm sticking with my 2 6lxbs to power our gentlemen's yacht. Reliable, cheap to run and sound wonderful.
Thats 155 hp at 800 rpm meaning another 550 rpm gains you 107 hp at "rated speed". Zero "torque rise" when "lugged" as well. It also has to weigh an easy 20 lbs per hp "bare" and there's so much obviously wasted weight there such as in the injection pump drive its ridiculous.
@@cidertom5140 read the Gardner book, engine specs are near the end of book. Don't get mixed up with 6LW/LX and LXB engines all with 6 inch stroke. The L3 and uprated L3B are mostly used in marine work with about 7.25 inch stroke running upto 1150rpm for continuous heavy duty use. It's all in the book. Please tell me what is wrong with my comment in your opinion.
a highly over rated engine. yes good but not a slow engine, literally a 100 better brands, including Deutz, , most barge engines in Europe would run 300rpm 400 shp this series in dutch but LISTEN to those slow motors there are abt 50 motors in the series th-cam.com/video/a-TaCtBiuW0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/pJ2WGQt_6TI/w-d-xo.html
I haven't even seen the first 5 minutes and already love the video.
In my town in Egypt, we still have dozens of these engines powering tourist boats. Actually they are still sort after because they are still the most reliable even if they were built in the 60's!!!!
I have sailed hundreds of thousands of miles on these engines and never experienced a failure.
This lovely grey haired man was certainly the best for this video.
Thank you so much for making this video and sharing it.
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Gardner engines are masterpieces of British engineering. Great video.
a long time ago i read something , i think it was in a british trucking magazine , it had a gardner ad , and it said " at gardner , we know a thing or two about engines " !
I’ve recently discovered your channel and have always thought highly of Gardner engines. I’d just like to say, your videos have been an education. These really are another shining example of excellent British engineering and design. Maintenance friendly, reliable and strong as an ox. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with your viewers.
I remember visiting the Gardner factory in the mid sixties. A vivid recollection of seeing a forged steel billet being straightened by an elderly gentleman. He was using some kind of a drop hammer, quite large and you could see the crank bending. It would then be machined to spec. I think a Gardner crank was machined all over. Thank you for the video's, they are priceless.
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I served on an Admiralty type 75' MFV 1256 in the early seventies, with the Royal Naval Auxiliary Service. She was a left over vessel from the 1940's. She had a Perkins P4 220 v DC generator for sea going duties and a Perkins P3 for harbour duties. Main propulsion was by a Gardner 8 L3B engine. Brilliant sea boats, although not very quick, the Gardner was like a sewing machine! On long runs, we would tie the gear lever in the ahead position, open the throttle fully and away she'd go. Apart from regular engineroom checks and filling the hourly log in, operating them was a doddle! I Loved them! I remember visiting the Minesweeper base in Ostend, whilst on board the I.M.S. XSV Shipham M2726, we noticed that the Belgians were using Gardner engines only with a different nameplate on them!
The happiest time in my life was as a stoker on MFV 140 working out of Kyle of Lochalsh. I was straight out of the RN, and I couldn't believe the relaxed environment in which I now found myself to be in. The 8L3B was a delight to work on. The only thing that was annoying was the Bramah belting used to drive the dynamo, which was a pain in the proverbial to adjust. Unfortunately the boat went for disposal after the engine moved, rather alarmingly, on it's bearers on rough weather. Subsequently we found out that it was secured to the bearers with coach screws. We got a new fleet tender (Melton) after the 140, but the job was never the same. I still keep in touch with the surviving crew members though, and the conversation always reverts to our time on the 140.
@@harrysaunders6180 Agreed Harry! They were a doddle to run and maintain and bloody good sea boats too! When I joined RNXS in 1972, the first boat I went on was Loyal Factor, an early Fleet Tender. We didn't have her long after I joined, as she was seconded by the Army in Northern Ireland. We had a Ham class
IMS called Thakeham and when loyal Factor was taken, we got another IMS called Shipham. Shipham was seconded for a few months in 1974, when one of the Inshore Survey boats suffered a serious fire' which was when we had 1256. I spent most of my time on the IMS's and these were my favourites 1977 saw the arrival of a new Fleet Tender by the name of Loyal Helper. She replaced Thakeham, she was a good boat but lacked the character of the IMS's, not only that, hardly anything ever went wrong, so not a good learning platform for junior engineers. These were eventually joined by the P20 class fast patrol boats, which had twin V-12 Rolls Royce ex Challenger tank engines. Phenomenally thirsty and not being a true marine engine, were a pain in the arse to work on, having to remove air boxes filters and god knows what, to get to the injectors but happy days all the same. Would go back tomorrow, although 'Her indoors' would definitely have something to say on that!!
Always a treat to come home from work and see a notice that another Gardner video to watch thanks Joe for your time and effete
Got to know Gardiners in ZA’s Zululand on the Hluhluwe river many years ago, driving irrigation pumps : a magnificent piece of engineering and power source - complimént! Brings back the fondest memories imaginable...Thank you kindly.
What I love most about this video is the information, the way it’s presented is simply fabulous and really interesting to watch.
Nothing I like more in a TH-cam video than information that is correct and also people who know what they’re talking about, this TH-cam channel is amazing and definitely will be subscribing.Thank you for sharing this video and brightening up the day for all of us engine lovers
Id love one of these Sat on My Mantlepiece, just to listen too instead of a Swiss watch & sit in awe of the craftsmanship involved. When Britain was Great , not in the Gutter as today.
They're a wonderful engine. The trawler I worked on (now decommissioned) used one of those engines for propulsion. It never missed a beat and to this day I can still remember the sound.
In Holland this wellknown story quote: an U K fisherman stops with eat Meat, Butter etcetera. Only an egg .....because he needs an new Gardner and that is the only engine he trust.
Britain should honour these unusual engineers, knowing such magnificent engineering inside out, in a way which would preserve their skills and knowledge for posterity…👊
Not forgetting CAV for a very good fuel injection and starting systems are the altonaters CAV??
Fantastic video. Fantastic engine. Sounds absolutely superb
Great engines . Fishing lobster/shark out of port Adelaide Australia to southern ocean . Most had Gardner we has 6lx manual box . Seen a 8lx running and Capt brought down to one cylinder Amazing . Thank you looking forward to more Joe
OMG! We need more of this Beast!!! BRING THEM BACK!
Love to have one in my shed just to look at and play with.
I started an 8 cylinder Gardner for a chap in Cornwall some years ago. Similar job Joe, got the deisel up and it cracked up almost instantly.
Lovey piece of kit they have there.
Thanks.
When Britain still had real engineers brilliant engines still be running when the rest have turned to dust
Just love the sound of a Gardner Engine.
I had the enjoyment of working with the 8L3B and 2 x 8LX, my favourite was always the 8L3B, magnificent engine. You can start it by hand cranking (if you flick the valve levers of course) I loved listening to each cylinder firing.
I've actually done that with my late father, hand started a 8L3B, that he had in an MFV purchased from the Admiralty. If I remember correctly she fired up on the third attempt. Which wasn't too bad as she had been laid up pending sale for nearly a year in Roysth naval dockyard.
Yes certainly agree with everyone that the Gardners were a great engine.
It's 2357 Alaska time. Joe uploads a video. Perfect.
One Handsome piece of Engineering 👍
What a very interesting video, I have no experience whatsoever with marine variants but many years ago I gave a friend a hand with his bus restoration which has a Gardner and honestly what a great engine it was
Great Engine,, Thanx Joe
Best and easiest engine I've ever rebuilt, lapping the heads to the liner tops is probably the hardest thing to do and that's easy, fantastic
So no gaskets? Brilliant! They’re a constant source of failure.
@@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus constant source of failure ? Don't talk sh* t.
Much easier and quicker to use the proper lapping tool for the top of the liner and the mating surface on the head.
I had one in my North Sea Trawler. Lovely, lovely engine !
What was the name of your Trawler Simon, where did she work from?
@@MrCrabbing She is called Stella Anne and she fished with the Jubilee Fishing Company at Grimsby. She came out of fishing in 1997 and I found her abandoned at Brixham in Sept 1998. We restored her to good health , converted her for cruising and enjoyed her for 20 years going up to Western Isles , down to Brittany , Channel Islands and Scilly Islands.
@@simonduff117 do you have any pictures I’m from Paignton and keep my boat in Brixham and worked on the Fleur De France from Grimsby in the late 90s on and off
Send me your email address and I will send you some photos.
Often work on my uncles survey boat with a pair of 8L3B's they are a pleasure to work on!
He also has a newer vessel with a pair of cummins QSM11's, and i know which engines i prefer!!
Wow...2 in the same place.
@@first-up-best-dressed5548 the engine room in a nice place to be!! ha ha!
What an engine, solid as a rock
Beautiful machinery. Just beautiful. 👍
Love the Gardner I've had 3large commercial vessels and a Gardner in each the last vessel I built I had 2 in it propulsion and power 6Lxb&a4Lw for power
"Horse power sells cars, torque wins races."...Carol Shelby
HP = (Torque x RPM)/5252 so it's also torque - plus rotation and speed - that "sells cars".
There are many stories of how Gardener Diesels are reliable so much so they have been seen many times running till the very last when the boat/ship was sinking. A truly top pick for any displacement boat.
When we had occasion to overhaul a Gardner diesel, it was a great experience. They were easy to do, but you had to follow their recommended practices. One thing I remember is that the cylinder liners had to be assembled using Lard. Yes, rendered down sheep fat! If you did not you would get "hot spots" on the liners and that led to a piston grabbing the liner. Needless to say we did not have that problem.
I remember the OReilleys Engineers to the printing trade in Dublin They used to use lard to move heavy cast iron printing presses around.
Gardner workshop drawing makes a point of saying not to use oil to lube the dry liner before pressing into the wet liner.
Great video,the Irish peat board(bord na mona)used gardner engines to power the massive peat harvesting machines used from the 50s in the Midlands bogs,to prevent fire they filled in all around the exhaust manifold with fire cement reinforced with wire mesh,their reliability and easy starting was a big plus.
Yes, in the very early days Bord na Mona had to design their own peat harvesting machines, until the Russians entered the market. I believe the used Gypsum as a fire cement.
Dear Mr. JOE, i remember an twin starter engine, the year 1965
Engine Thornycroft, in fact AEC AV 1100. Marinized by Thornycroft. Norm. asp. engine
18 ltr. 228 BHP at 1700 rpm
Incredible engine with a lot of power! The pitch of the prop 3 x increased and free from smoke . Mussel Cutter in the NL
The time of swichting on de second C A V starter was delayed. The armature pinion engaged the flywheer gearing than the second starter schwitched on
B t w an hydraulic damper was installed between the Morse cable and the lever on the (hydraulic) governor.
4 valve separate single cyl.heads.
Bore x stroke 156 x 156 mm
Pity during the running in periode the lower oil control ring was NOT installed!!! But great engine with a beautyfull sound
Nice one!
(Roly)....they are a beautiful ,quality engine, i worked on them many years ago on fishing vessels.its a pity that Gardner did not keep up with technology.
They have 2 lift pumps because they have 2 fuel injector pumps. I wouldn't have thought that was rocket science or over-kill. One for each pump... pretty much common sense to my mind.
Great engine for boats and generator sets but for trucks Gardner were very slow. Reliability was second to none in their day but when manufacturers like Scania,Volvo,Daf,Cat,Cummins,Man and Mercedes came along the game was up for Gardner,they wouldn’t adapt to the changing needs of transport and paid the price. From being a top Diesel engine manufacturer who used to have a two year waiting list for engines to shutting the factory in Patricroft seem incredible,what a shame.
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I drove an erf 8 wheel tanker from cheddar to dalgetes in poole 6lxb with fuller 9 speed,talk about struggle ,it went anyway and back,I've never sweated so much.
I worked for Gardner in the crankcase departement in the mid 70s and used a 6XLB I marinized myself in 1983 for use in a 70 foot Ketch. It worked without fault and started first pluck every time. Shame they are gone now. Maybe I machined the crankcase on this one.!
Perfect timing. Greetings from Alaska.
Incredible ❤️
Would it be possible to do a video regarding the governor and lubricating the rack? Please? Sometimes one will stall
I have already shot one on the 6LXB injector pump. They are essentially the same.
super cool !
Very nice windy day there Joe
Thank you..
Was it very windy outside ?
Neoplan offered also Gardner engines in their buses/coaches.
I’ve got a 4L3 , is there any way of dating it ? , what years were those things made ? Cheers Bruce
This would make a fantastic lighting set engine.
I used to o/haul Gardner cam boxes and fuel pumps and injectors..calibration etc. ..every time there was a fairground in the area guys would bring injectiors for servicing,some had never been out of the generators for years…they were a bastard to re- condition after all that time..only Rustons and some Leyland injectors were on a par with with Gardner for difficulty in servicing these brats…the nozzles and needles in the injectors were separate and you had to centralise the nozzle and needles in a jig before you tightened the cap nut ..a skill on it’s own..I worked as a fuel injection engineer and covered all kind of injection systems and all kinds of applications for about 20 years..good times..,
Nice one Joe. We currently have two 8L3B’ in one of our vessels. Solid engines. Loads of power for very small amount of fuel used.
Just learnt some interesting points. Thanks. I wish ours were as clean as this one. We’re there is no heads gasket, just an O ring on the liner, is it normal to have oil leak from there?
Oil leaks are endemic on Gardners. Some think of it as a feature. Helps prevent corrosion!
Gardener's are like Harley's and Bull Terriers, they like to mark their territory.
Because they are the best they have that right.
No head gasket
2 x pushrod hole o-rings
And depending on the hp rating a bunch of copper ferrules and sealing o-rings.
Would make a great upgrade to an MCW if it will fit and the Voith gearbox can take it.
I knew some old Guy Arab and Leyland Tiger buses that had Gardner diesels in them
My friend had a early 1950s Leyland Tiger single deck bus with Gardener engine. It did 18mpg with the town geared back axle. A more normal ratio would have seen well over 20mpg. (Imperial gallons).
It has two thermometers because one is for water temp and the other for oil temp. It's not a double up.
شكرا علي هذا الفيديو ولكن بالنسبه لي قطع الغيار الاصالي حاليا غير متوفره ب مصر
Maybe a good thing to do is check the oil before starting especially when there is a large sticker stating no oil. Good old engines though.
Considering amount of fuel they don't use and the low temperature of the burn. The emissions must be pretty clean or at least they would be pretty easy to make them so. Cannot be so difficult to cast the block either.
Mercedes are going the Gardner way with their latest engines like the econic low rpm, long stroke and high torque
Ollie Reed Unfortunately total emissions and the type of emissions are not necessarily low just because the fuel use and running temps are low, far more complicated than that....
i was a bus driver back in the eighties and many of the buses (MBS or metrobus) used Gardner engines. they were very slow revving and always seemed to be a bit underpowered and certainly could have done with a turbo charger.
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Would have been the 6lxb non turbo.
Fantastic engine what is the cubic capacity? its not heading off to go in the Western Flyer is it?
24.175lts.
Joe McCool wrong 24.000 each cylinder is 3 litres. 3 by 8
@@tomlowe8563 You're wrong , Joe McCool is correct
@@Ozsmallbore no I’m not
I remember being turned down for a job in their Patricroft factory back in '77 (luckily for me).
I did end up working in there for a while for Norweb putting lighting in .... The Mercury Arc rectifier that fed the gantry cranes was Scary .... as were the "girls" working in the foundry!
It is a group of industrial units now .... and a Police Vehicle Compound ... with their leasure facilities a housing estate (yes it was that big)
Sad to see their demise!
Bet it isn't called Barton Hall Engine Works now though 😊
@@davidgray5079 1it is called Eccles Police Station and Car Pound! ;0) .... or at least part of it is. Another is now a housing estate!
Are these engines still being built?
No. But we can still supply either fully restored or as a good runners.
You'll still see these engines being used running generators at fairgrounds in the UK and also in trawlers
Years ago I worked for loctite, I was responsible for Gardener engines in Eccles Manchester. I saw the amazing skills producing these to such tight tolerances in the pre cadcam era. The whole ideology was quality led. I think the chief engineer was called Mr Such a real gentleman. It was apparent they were doomed in a throw away world, turbocharging was an anathema as it presented reliability issues. These things will run for almost ever before a rebuild and then run to infinity. Beauty in cast iron, forged steel bronze and aluminium.
Gardiner were owned by Perkins for a while.Their downfall was when Cummins opened their engine production plant in Scotland producing the N14.Cheaper than Gardiner,way more horsepower but nowhere as economical.Problem with the truck engine market today is that Cummins have the ball at their foot since CAT gave up on production off on highway engines.
@@eugeneoreilly9356 I worked for ingersoll rand after loctite and at one time they owned Cummins we used their in line six and v sixes in some machines. We paid for absorbed horse power (Fuelling settings) as that determined warranty costs and engine life. Most of those will be junk now, but I expect some of the gardeners soldier on, particularly marine. There’s a cat RE manufacturing in the town i live near, was RR then Perkins now CAT. But it’s tiny compared to the RR and Perkins days.
@@tomtd Yeah Tom,Perkins bought RR diesels then CAT bought Perkins.The famous RR Eagle range continued for a few years after unchanged but with a CAT badge and painted yellow until it too finally disappeared.
What's all that smoking about on start up?
In my opinion the Gardner 8lxb, was the best engine ever manufactured.
We had Gardner trucks, many of them at John Baird Transport, Cumnock
Never ever had any problems with them at all.
The bother we had were the Rolls Royce 220,
Gardner, never a spanner near them
Bruce.
It’s a lovely thing! Built to do what it has to do relentlessly and reliably. Reminds me of a Lee-Enfield which others constantly mock. Engineering decisions tend to assert themselves when you least expect it and conservative ones often make sense. I can see you love that beautiful engine.
As an owner of a Lee Enfield L39, I quite agree with you ? I did also own an 8L3B !
Ahh, bliss - I was working on HGV's late 70's to early 80's. I met this beast occasionally with 2 pots protruding from the rear of a Foden cab.
You were right to shut her down sharp, as you know, coz within seconds you would have been reduced to tears with the fumes🤣
Cummins were another engine option - completely different design ideals but none the less capable. You could crack them up and be able to breathe with your head up the exhaust.
And Rolls Royce 'Eagle' diesels - oh dear! For saying Rolls Royce had a reputation with plane engines and cars, what happened with their diesel design? I never did understand?
Id love to have that in a narrow boat 😅
If it did not sink the boat maybe you could get it up on plane? Tow water skiers?
There wouldn’t be much room for anything else inside!
i think british rail used these engines in the class 03 and 04 locos
Incredible knowledge you have Joe
Enjoying your videos tremendously, thank you stacks…👊🔥
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I see it’s a straight 8, love to know the capacity and bore an stroke.🇦🇺
24.175ltrs
5.5" bore
7.25" stroke
Raymond Welch, I'm from Tasmania Australia and have been a commercial fisherman for more than sixty years, I've had all models of gardner engines in that time and the last one I had was an 8L3B which I purchased new in 1982 and it went into a 61foot conventional wooden boat and it cost $ 78, 200 Australian dollars and work every cent of it ,it was 230Hp@ 1150 rpm the bore was five and a half inches and bore seven and three quarters inches,it was swinging a 52 x38 four blade prop through a 509 twin disk box with 3:5 to 1 reduction, steaming at 1000 revs would give us eight and a half knots and use around four and a half gallons per hour, I never lost one days fishing in 14 years because of engine problems, cheers from Tasmania
Regarding Lawrence Gardner,s 8L3B, was the original design from the early to mid 1930,s?, if so Scammell missed a golden opportunity to fit this monster in a beefed up Pioneer,. Think what Norman E Box, Uncle Percy of Wynns ,and Tommy Sunters of Northallerton could have done with such power,. By the early 1930,s Heavy haulage underwent radical changes, from steam to diesel traction,. Lawrence Gardner,s 6LW flew out Patricrofts gates as fast as the factory could make them , a fair few to Scammell Lorries of Tolpits Lane Watford Middlesex .
I can't watch it the light keeps going in and out.
Was ist der Unterschied zwischen, 6l3 und 6l3b???
The L3B is an improved design on the L3.
@@tangentgardner?? Der 6l3b braucht weniger Diesel als der 6l3 und hat mehr Leistung??
@@albirandi Yes. 6L3 = 153BHP@1200RPM 6L3B = 195@1300
@@tangentgardner haben beide Motoren die gleichen Zilinderköpfe?
@@albirandi No. The valves are different.
1300 rpm...sounds like a locomotive engine. (To be fair these actually were used in industrial locomotives)
Who's making a racket?
GOD
@@MrOlgrumpy ,
Y? Ponlo en marcha.
That aluminium ladder is really annoying me.
The big problem with Gardner is they were stuck in the past. Gardner for a long time frowned on turbos when other makes forged ahead with advanced big power units.
This thing may be durable but it's very low on power & torque, 250hp from 24litres is very poor..
That is true but it should be noted that for marine and gen set purposes there is nothing that equals the reliability and
Oops..
Marine and gen set use there is no more reliable and fuel efficient engine available. Some of These things have been running generators in places like India and Africa for decades with very little maintenance (and in some cases without air filters)! Turbo diesels tend to sacrifice longevity, reliability and fuel economy for power. It all depends on what you want them to do. I'm sticking with my 2 6lxbs to power our gentlemen's yacht. Reliable, cheap to run and sound wonderful.
@@andrewrobson5865 well said sir.
Beautiful Old Engine . PERFECT for a Large Boat .
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Great video, such a shame about all the background noise.
I don't think joe can do anything about the wind.
Not bothered so much by the noise but the video continuously goes from light to dark - very annoying.
Pity about the up and down poor lighting for the video. These Gardner engines are some of the most reliable heavy oil engines ever built.
I probably shouldn't say this but.....
Looking at that engine works better than Viagra.
British and best.
Thats 155 hp at 800 rpm meaning another 550 rpm gains you 107 hp at "rated speed". Zero "torque rise" when "lugged" as well.
It also has to weigh an easy 20 lbs per hp "bare" and there's so much obviously wasted weight there such as in the injection pump drive its ridiculous.
Background noise very distracting
Max rpm 1100
Max power speed.
230 BHP @1150rpm for continues heavy duty in fishing and commercial craft.
@@billalbion wrong
@@cidertom5140 read the Gardner book, engine specs are near the end of book. Don't get mixed up with 6LW/LX and LXB engines all with 6 inch stroke. The L3 and uprated L3B are mostly used in marine work with about 7.25 inch stroke running upto 1150rpm for continuous heavy duty use. It's all in the book. Please tell me what is wrong with my comment in your opinion.
@@billalbion because some said 1100 eg rail or Diesel engine websites to do with the 8l3
Hi, I think you mean lbs ft not. ft lbs of toque.
He means ft lbs
No , ft lbs is work done , lbs ft is the imperial unit for toque.
What about their emissions? Make them common rail electronic injection. Best of both Worlds.
Only people can personify anything. Think about it.
Bad valve
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But does it run--I wasted my time to see the thing run !!!
a highly over rated engine. yes good but not a slow engine, literally a 100 better brands, including Deutz, , most barge engines in Europe would run 300rpm 400 shp
this series in dutch but LISTEN to those slow motors
there are abt 50 motors in the series
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Nice video of a nice motor, but, please a bit of wood against the door and a much better microphone for camera
Thanks for that Alan. New camera and mike on order.
@@tangentgardner picture was good mind