Totally agree, Read a story on a forum from a guy that had a Seddon Atkinson truck with a 6LX in it,.. it did 2.5 million miles, and all they changed in that time was a head gasket and the injectors. Was still chugging along like a beauty when some lucky person bought it off them.
What an amazing man! I’m looking for my 1st narrow boat as a novice and many friends have Gardner engines and know you/sing your praises. I look forward to watching many more videos. Hope your well and safe
Greetings from Australia, I used to work on these (in my younger days)with the eight cylinder in Fodens and the six cylinder in Guys. Good reliable engines but expensive to rebuild.
Hello Bob, greetings from Cornwall. I worked for AEC trucks in Bristol when I left school and worked on a Seddon Atkinson 8 wheeler with a Gardner 6LX engine in. It was a big rebuild as the motor sucked in water in a flood and bent several con rods. Hope to get to Aus one day.
I'm jealous, it must beautiful to hear an engine like that run after rebuild. Maybe no better slow revving engine ever built? Thank you for showing us. Adelaide south australia.
@@CaptMarkSVAlcina I think that there is a company doing total rebuilds and servicing. I am pretty sure there are no new ones being built. I did see a youtube film of a classic yacht being totally restored and the engine were removed by a company called Gardner for total rebuild.
Gentiman seems to me that you have been involved with those engines for a very much long time your outstanding knowledge of them is quite impressive congratulations and most kind of you for share it with us, from Puero Rico.....Jesus Torres.
Love the copper piping. I used decompression on my Diesel Tractor to start during winter and it works to get that mass spinning. It was a 20o6 Chinese model I bought up in Maine.
Joe not many men like you left. my grandfather was a diesel mechanic .men could have told you the engines he built by the sound of them he set them up by ear
Across the channel, the NortSea: we used to have our " Kromhout" engines in busses, boats, Lorries etc.... Gardner in license, also that nice design characters on the inspection lids: Kromhout.... Nice video, time for explaining details... Thanks from Holland!
Gardner engine's Patricroft Manchester UK, was in the factory many time's in the 1970s, our foden s39 lorries had the 6lxb engine in them, reliable plodders they were.
I have only worked on Gardner road vehicle engines, which have two thermostats. The point of having two, is that they are set at different temperatures, so you have a primary stat and a secondary stat - This arrangement reduces thermal stress by avoiding opening up the cooling system to very cold coolant.
Joe, how about a video of reworking the water pump to sealed bearings, adjusting the pump timing rod andtiming chain adjustment. Had 2 off 3LWs 1 in 40 footer ( 6knots on 3 quarts ) and 1 spare that I will never need.
I am in my seventies but I well remember my father having an old motor yacht in the sixties with twin Gardners. These were far from young even then, six cylinder I seem to recall. I cannot remember the detail but you had to ease the compression when starting from cold. It had a header tank which you manually pumped fuel from the main tanks up to, of course gravity fed the engines. I often wonder what happened to both boat and engines. This was on the West Coast of Scotland and the boat was called TSDY Maori. I would love to hear if anybody has any recollection of her. There was still a large herring fleet back then and they all had single screw Gargners.
I was never aware if these engines being used in an Atlantean. Normally the leyland 0.600 or 0.680 surely. The Daimler Fleetline did commonly use them though.
I worked for a company as a mechanic that ran loads of Gardeners , our gardener engine specialist was an ex German prisoner of war Herman Roettig ironic really , every body else steered clear if possible .
Were they ever used in trains? When I was in Scotland in 1988 I was in a train, single car with a manually shifted 3 speed transmission and a diesel motor, it was very old but was still in normal use by Scottish rail.
Hallo Joe, i just bought a fishigboat with a 6Lw engine, Engine number: 148114. i try to find out, from which year this engine is but i do not find anyinfo or listing about gardner serial nummbers. i could you help me? thanks a lot, hans
Hi joe im new to Gardners have 6lw in guy arab bus where is correct point to add engine oil when doing a service perth western Australia thanks for Your video best ive seen lots information
Gorgeous. Question. I noticed that the injector supply pipes from the injector pump are of different lengths. I am old school, alway was educated that they all have to be the same length ? Correct me if I am wrong. Cheers from New Zealand.
Hello Joe, what was the problems with the 6LYT, I heard one running at a rally in an Atkinson and it sounded beautiful, the fella that owned the vehicle had the engine totally rebuilt, love your video's by the way, in the past I've ran plenty of Gardner 6LW/ 6LX/ 6LXB AND 8LXB, but had better service out of the 6 cyl ones than the 8 cylinder,
No you are not quite correct about the wear factor, the pintle pins in the injectors do not have any seals around them and when the pressure from the pump hits the pintle pin and lifts it off the seat to inject the diesel into the cylinder a small amount of diesel by passes (it also lubricates the pin) and comes out through what we call here in Australia the dribble line then into the return line back to the fuel tank. I have been a heavy diesel mechanic for almost sixty years on trucks and earthmovers. Take care every one
Such an interesting contrast to a 3-71 Detroit. This is a smooth 4 stroke with 42 hp at 1200 RPM. The Detroit made 80 @1300 or 109 @ 2100. It was smooth but it did not sound so soothing. Me? I will just take one of each.
You should probably clarify for "Americans" that in "British English" an "engineer" in the context of engines is a "mechanic" that services/maintains/repairs engines and does not "design" or "construct" them.
Surely the statement that a modern engine is not as efficient makes. No sense. Undoubtedly a fine engine in its time but we have moved on. I. Can of course imagine a. Simpler engine nodding to the Gardner heritage a. Case of. Rose 🌹 tintd. Spectacle smeared with. Diesel fumes
We HAVE moved on. We've moved from reliability and efficiency to emissions controls, ungodly masses of electronic controls,100's more failure points, and cheap to manufacture.
@@frederickbowdler1509 It strikes me that this powerplant is simple, uncomplicated, built to an exceptionally high standard, world-famous for reliability and very long life, world-famous for fuel economy and ease of operation. In applications such as narrowboat propulsion, a marinised automotive high-speed diesel with variable turbo, common rail injection, closed-loop fuel control, labyrinthine exhaust processing and urea injection………..is pointless. The installation in a narrowboat operates 98% of its life at tickover. All the additional mechanical and electronic clutter over and above that fitted to this engine equates to additional points of failure, expense, and ongoing maintenance cost. From a sustainability point of view, refreshing the engine shown for another 70 years of service is vastly better than buying a complex and resource-hungry parts-rich new one.
@@frederickbowdler1509 Strangely enough, modern diesels need to be run to at least 80% of their rated horsepower for an hour every week to remain healthy. Running the engines they make nowadays at tickover in a narrowboat for long periods in time would likely not go well.
Didn’t no anything about these except a late mate had one in his bus love these sorts of videos.thanks🇳🇿
Brings back the memory of when in 1978 I recovered consciousness after a road accident to the sound of a 6LX idling a couple of feet from my face.
Beautiful work and great to hear and see these old slow revving engines running and restored to their former glory❤
The absolute picasso of the engine world.
Genius Gardner.
Hats off to Joe ' professor' of Gardner's
The most beautiful tickover symphony ever created……
Gardner's simply the best engines ever made!!!!
Totally agree, Read a story on a forum from a guy that had a Seddon Atkinson truck with a 6LX in it,.. it did 2.5 million miles, and all they changed in that time was a head gasket and the injectors. Was still chugging along like a beauty when some lucky person bought it off them.
Too expensive, or too heavy to still manufacture? Air pollution prior to getting up to temperature?
I have one of Joe's 3LW engines, nearly 10 years and around 3000 hours since fitting in my narrowboat. Doing it's job well. Thanks Joe.
Yeah. Boating in an inland ditch at walking speed. That's really a test of engine quality.
@@deeremeyer1749 . I think 10 years without a problem says it well enough .
What an amazing man! I’m looking for my 1st narrow boat as a novice and many friends have Gardner engines and know you/sing your praises. I look forward to watching many more videos. Hope your well and safe
Greetings from Australia, I used to work on these (in my younger days)with the eight cylinder in Fodens and the six cylinder in Guys. Good reliable engines but expensive to rebuild.
Hello Bob, greetings from Cornwall. I worked for AEC trucks in Bristol when I left school and worked on a Seddon Atkinson 8 wheeler with a Gardner 6LX engine in. It was a big rebuild as the motor sucked in water in a flood and bent several con rods. Hope to get to Aus one day.
I'm jealous, it must beautiful to hear an engine like that run after rebuild.
Maybe no better slow revving engine ever built?
Thank you for showing us.
Adelaide south australia.
The engine, the legend. So glad that they are open again doing rebuilds and teaching a young generation how to do it.
So you mean the factory is open again ?
@@CaptMarkSVAlcina I think that there is a company doing total rebuilds and servicing. I am pretty sure there are no new ones being built. I did see a youtube film of a classic yacht being totally restored and the engine were removed by a company called Gardner for total rebuild.
Gentiman seems to me that you have been involved with those engines for a very much long time your outstanding knowledge of them is quite impressive congratulations and most kind of you for share it with us, from Puero Rico.....Jesus Torres.
Love the sound of that 3LW starting and running. Thank you
Love the copper piping. I used decompression on my Diesel Tractor to start during winter and it works to get that mass spinning. It was a 20o6 Chinese model I bought up in Maine.
Joe not many men like you left. my grandfather was a diesel mechanic .men could have told you the engines he built by the sound of them he set them up by ear
Across the channel, the NortSea: we used to have our " Kromhout" engines in busses, boats, Lorries etc....
Gardner in license, also that nice design characters on the inspection lids: Kromhout....
Nice video, time for explaining details... Thanks from Holland!
Gardner engine's Patricroft Manchester UK, was in the factory many time's in the 1970s, our foden s39 lorries had the 6lxb engine in them, reliable plodders they were.
jo, these little Gardners make a lovely sound when they are running in tickover.
...always just só entertaining and detailed ~ thank you kindly Joe
Really enjoyed your videos Joe and a big hello from Downings Co Donegal best Regards Denis McKeague
I have only worked on Gardner road vehicle engines, which have two thermostats. The point of having two, is that they are set at different temperatures, so you have a primary stat and a secondary stat - This arrangement reduces thermal stress by avoiding opening up the cooling system to very cold coolant.
Just love old school could listen to joe al day 👍👍👍👍👍
Absolutely love this engine and the excellent instruction.
Pure engineering bliss
Joe, how about a video of reworking the water pump to sealed bearings, adjusting the pump timing rod andtiming chain adjustment.
Had 2 off 3LWs 1 in 40 footer ( 6knots on 3 quarts ) and 1 spare that I will never need.
I believe that the pistons were offset on the Conrod to reduce slap and wear on the liner.
I am in my seventies but I well remember my father having an old motor yacht in the sixties with twin Gardners. These were far from young even then, six cylinder I seem to recall. I cannot remember the detail but you had to ease the compression when starting from cold. It had a header tank which you manually pumped fuel from the main tanks up to, of course gravity fed the engines. I often wonder what happened to both boat and engines. This was on the West Coast of Scotland and the boat was called TSDY Maori. I would love to hear if anybody has any recollection of her. There was still a large herring fleet back then and they all had single screw Gargners.
Thank you for the video very interesting Randy from the USA
Lovely engine. They 6 cylinder version was also used on the Atlantean buses. Never a problem.
I was never aware if these engines being used in an Atlantean. Normally the leyland 0.600 or 0.680 surely. The Daimler Fleetline did commonly use them though.
From Canada would love one of those Gardners to build a boat around
Well, we have them available :-)
That unic button is on Bolinder Engines too. We call it coldstart button.
I know nothing about engineering, but that was fascinating! Thanks for that 😀
We have a few more in the pipeline. Watch this space!
What an interesting bloke .
I worked for a company as a mechanic that ran loads of Gardeners , our gardener engine specialist was an ex German prisoner of war Herman Roettig ironic really , every body else steered clear if possible .
Beautiful sounding engine
Were they ever used in trains? When I was in Scotland in 1988 I was in a train, single car with a manually shifted 3 speed transmission and a diesel motor, it was very old but was still in normal use by Scottish rail.
Yes, 8L3's in particular. And of course the Irish Turf company, Bord na Mona, used 4LW's a lot in their small locos.
please please do more videos absolutley love it
Love the Northern Ireland accent!
Hallo Joe, i just bought a fishigboat with a 6Lw engine, Engine number: 148114. i try to find out, from which year this engine is but i do not find anyinfo or listing about gardner serial nummbers. i could you help me? thanks a lot, hans
approach these people: www.enginemuseum.org/
Hi joe im new to Gardners have 6lw in guy arab bus where is correct point to add engine oil when doing a service perth western Australia thanks for Your video best ive seen lots information
best to email me Mark, ideally with photos: tangent.gardner@gmail.com
Thanks grandfather 🙏🙏🙏
Gorgeous. Question. I noticed that the injector supply pipes from the injector pump are of different lengths. I am old school, alway was educated that they all have to be the same length ? Correct me if I am wrong. Cheers from New Zealand.
They may look of different lengths, but inside the rocker covers the front ones are coiled to make all lengths the same.
@@tangentgardner thanks for that. Learn something knew every day.
Lovely... Thanks for sharing. God Bless you.
Hi Joe Do you know which was the original lettering on the oval covers on the cylinder heads? There are 2 versions as far as I know.
I think the plain one was earlier.
Hello Joe, what was the problems with the 6LYT, I heard one running at a rally in an Atkinson and it sounded beautiful, the fella that owned the vehicle had the engine totally rebuilt, love your video's by the way, in the past I've ran plenty of Gardner 6LW/ 6LX/ 6LXB AND 8LXB, but had better service out of the 6 cyl ones than the 8 cylinder,
Sorry Alec, I cannot be specific, but the stories about them are so bad, we have steered clear.
@@tangentgardner camshafts were soft and the lobes wore badly
I would love to find one of these in Canada for one of my little tugs
Well, we have shipped a few Gardners to the US and Canada. Send me an email. I am sure we can help.
All the 3LW ive owned in boats were 1500 top rpm and 1350 under load one particular boats 3lw was over 45 years old untouched when i sold the boat
Wonderful!
It'a not that the injectors cannot handle the excess pressure from the pump, it is that they leak internally once worn.
No you are not quite correct about the wear factor, the pintle pins in the injectors do not have any seals around them and when the pressure from the pump hits the pintle pin and lifts it off the seat to inject the diesel into the cylinder a small amount of diesel by passes (it also lubricates the pin) and comes out through what we call here in Australia the dribble line then into the return line back to the fuel tank. I have been a heavy diesel mechanic for almost sixty years on trucks and earthmovers. Take care every one
@@bobw7066 reread my comment, that's what I mean.
Love it!
Awesome video Joe, do you have any more videos?
Our pleasure. Yes, we have a few videos in preparation: 8LXB et al, crankshaft, injector pump etc. Please bear with us into the new year.
Love to meet this guy
Such an interesting contrast to a 3-71 Detroit. This is a smooth 4 stroke with 42 hp at 1200 RPM. The Detroit made 80 @1300 or 109 @ 2100. It was smooth but it did not sound so soothing. Me? I will just take one of each.
Well, we have 3LW's available. Just email me.
My Fordson Major had an excess fuel button for cold starting, so it wasn’t only Gardeners had them.
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Please email: tangent.gardner@gmail in English.
This is interesting I had never heard of this gardner engine till now just saying
Great engine I just wish that beeping sound shortcut and I can listen to the man.
Is an 6 L Y T een genuine Gardner product?
Yes, but not a good engine :-(
@@tangentgardner thanks !
Nice video! Those levers on the fuel injection pump aren't so unique though, seen them on many dutch engines before which are much older :)
If you mean Kromhout engines they are Gardners just built under licence by Kromhout.
@@flat5sharp11 a few of the later models indeed. And I'm also referring to other Dutch companies who build diesel engines.
@@flat5sharp11 I never new that, so if I want a 6 LBX I can just get a Krochout engine ?
Ok question I want one and where do I get it.
We have one for sale Don, please email: tangent.gardner@gmail.com
I am looking for gardener 8 cylinder 230 hp with cool sea water
Please email me: tangent.gardner@gmail.com
You should probably clarify for "Americans" that in "British English" an "engineer" in the context of engines is a "mechanic" that services/maintains/repairs engines and does not "design" or "construct" them.
Agreed chap
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Surely the statement that a modern engine is not as efficient makes. No sense. Undoubtedly a fine engine in its time but we have moved on. I. Can of course imagine a. Simpler engine nodding to the Gardner heritage a. Case of. Rose 🌹 tintd. Spectacle smeared with. Diesel fumes
We HAVE moved on. We've moved from reliability and efficiency to emissions controls, ungodly masses of electronic controls,100's more failure points, and cheap to manufacture.
Will try to to come round to your point of view and case of compromise old and new hybrid needed
Electronics can be much more reliable than mechanical systems and diagnosis fantastic
@@frederickbowdler1509
It strikes me that this powerplant is simple, uncomplicated, built to an exceptionally high standard, world-famous for reliability and very long life, world-famous for fuel economy and ease of operation.
In applications such as narrowboat propulsion, a marinised automotive high-speed diesel with variable turbo, common rail injection, closed-loop fuel control, labyrinthine exhaust processing and urea injection………..is pointless. The installation in a narrowboat operates 98% of its life at tickover. All the additional mechanical and electronic clutter over and above that fitted to this engine equates to additional points of failure, expense, and ongoing maintenance cost.
From a sustainability point of view, refreshing the engine shown for another 70 years of service is vastly better than buying a complex and resource-hungry parts-rich new one.
@@frederickbowdler1509 Strangely enough, modern diesels need to be run to at least 80% of their rated horsepower for an hour every week to remain healthy. Running the engines they make nowadays at tickover in a narrowboat for long periods in time would likely not go well.
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