The Hipper was a monstrous cruiser, but it was not equipped with 11 inch guns, as stated at 7:38. It had eight 8 inch guns. The Lutzow was the ship that had six 11 inch guns.
Trading historical accuracy for drama but it is you tube. not official. People watch this stuff and think it a history lesson. Great videos with lots of accurate stuff but a lot of things done that are not so accurate to make it a great you tube video. In the case of 11" versus 8" more likely a slip up.
Agreed- I detest hearing them referred to as 'allies'; they simply were forced to fight the Germans at the same time as us. Brave Navy men assisting a murderous dictatorship at least as bad as Hitler's...
Went to gravesend training school in 1970 we will be doing lifeboat training on the Thames in November. We have the thin shirts and the donkey jacket. We would say so were freezing he would say I was in the Arctic convoy that was cold. Didn’t know what he meant.
Sherbrooke has his eye dangling on his cheek and his face split open. Classic “just a flesh wound” RN mental death cult lunacy! Got to love the ‘Senior Service!’
I think it was more to do with the RN aggressive nature. Same with the Regina Marina. They were forced in to being ‘a fleet in being’ only because they grown to feel so inadequate by the moral superiority imposed on them by the RN. The RN just went at them at every opportunity and convinced them that unless they utterly outmatched the RN they were going to get beat very time. Sulking in port trying t9 look threatening doesn’t fool your own crews for long. ABC’s remark about “………200 years to make a tradition” is the key, I think.
@@geordiedog1749 The British fleet was simply much bigger and could better afford the losses. It's the only basis for claiming, e.g., that the Germans didn't win at Jutland. "Tradition" wasn't a factor in how many ships got blown up.
@@gandydancer9710 the Germans did not win at Jutland. Who ever heard of a “victor” leaving the battlefield first and never coming out to sea to fight again 🤦.
At that point in the war, radar was new, imprecise, and expensive. Most merchant ships didn't have it, and the radar on the naval vessels that did have it, wasn't that good.
The UK observed the international law on Gun Sizes, but Hitler did not! So trusting in the 1920's & 1930's the UK governments hobbled the British Navy, not even a Retrofit based on intelligence from Day Trippers ?
@ no, by then every ZAmerican plane had radar and the Brit planes by ‘41. The Naval ships would have gotten it at the same time the RAF did. Radar had been around since about 1935.
@@annehersey9895 Wikipedia "The prototype, 271X, was fitted to HMS Orchis in March 1941 and declared operational in May. Small numbers became available during the year, with about thirty sets in operation by October. The design spawned two larger versions, Type 272 for destroyers and small cruisers, and Type 273 for larger cruisers and battleships. The *272 was not considered successful* and not widely used... Improved versions, known alternately as Q models or Mark IV, were introduced in early *1943*" So, no, there were few radars for smaller naval units, and they didn't work well, in Dec. 1942 when this encounter took place.
Stalin's attitude towards British supply efforts ranged from complete indifference to rank ingratitude. This would have been reflected in the demeanour of the soviet military.
@@stomper2888 That's a great question. The British sailors couldn't understand it. The Murmansk run was brutal - constant nazi air attacks from Norway, uboats and horrific freezing temps all to supply and aid an allied nation that treated them with contempt. The Brits complained bitterly but Stalin ignored them.
Was the Tirpitz already destroyed in the Norwegian fjord at this time? An equal or better to the Bismark, Hitler made it useless because he so feared it's destruction.
The Battle of the Barents Sea wasn't remotely "Hitler's Last Desperate Naval Move". The clickbait titles and this channel's breathless scripts and delivery are just annoying.
Here at the Battle of the Barents Sea a German heavy cruiser and a pocket battleship ran away from two light cruisers (Jamaica and Sheffield, though admittedly both has 12 x 6"). Each of the six German destroyers were also far heavier than the 6 Royal navy destroyers. Hitler was a bad man but do we really think his orders not to "risk his ships" applied when faced by so much weaker forces? At the Battle of the River Plate Lützow's sister ship Graf Spee ALONE faced two light cruisers though with only 8 x 6" and a small heavy cruiser with 6 x 8" and was still accused of cowardice albeit more justified. On the Eastern front Hitler is blamed by his self-serving generals for many more decisions than he was really responsible for - I suspect the same here. Hitler's order has been said to apply only to "capital" ships which at least in the West would not even have included either Hipper or the slightly lower weight Lützow but only to Tirpitz and the very soon to return Scharnhorst. (Lützow was even re-rated as a cruiser when she was renamed from the original Deutschland in late 1939.)
@@gandydancer9710 I have been unable to determine what Hitler's orders were: capital or large ships or when they were issued? Also it seems very open to doubt that the 50% bigger, 50% more crew heavy cruiser Hipper could be regarded as better than one of the RN light cruisers. It had slightly weaker belt armour while 8" had a lower rate of fire and though I have not checked I would imagine that an RN light cruiser perhaps had better radar fire control. Lutzow was the renamed Deutschland which was marginally weaker than the other pocket battleships.
@@MartinChadwick-xe7gh The RN was much larger. It made perfect sense for the Kriegsmarine to avoid combat with British warships. Look at Jutland. The High Seas Fleet inflicted more damage (i,.e., "won") but lost the exchange because it had fewer ships.
More holes than a colander. First you have star shells and nobody on the British side saw them. He said hipper had 11inch guns then 8 inch guns. So no mention of radar which would have alerted the British.
What is the difference between having your capital ships safely in port because you are too afraid to expose them to danger, and having them filled with water and dead sailors at the bottom of the sea? Edit: I am talking about the usefulness of the warships here. Thought that was obvious. I assumed a higher intelligence than was justified.
Its a you tube video covering one of a hundred surface raids on convoys with a sh!t ton of drama to make the video not historical facts. This kid was never at hitlers side when he "raged" on about his navy!
@@gandydancer9710 Of course. But I was referring to the usefulness of the warships. A warship that is sunk is useless. A warship that can't leave port for fear of having it sunk is equally useless.
Hitler never cared about the Navy. He didn't think it was really that important. The Z plan was the rearmament plan for the Kriegsmarine. It was set to be completed in 44/45 when the war was expected to break out. It was to have 4 Bismarck class BBs 2 H class BBs (about 40% larger than a Bismarck) and various support ships, including I believe a carrier or two. This was expected to be able to rival the Royal Navy, and vie for control of the North Atlantic. The Bismarck and Tirpitz were better than any BB the allies had at the time. The H class ships would have been the best ever built. If..... IF Hitler had wanted to delay until 44/45 to start the war.... It's quite possible they could have won. Imagine if the Heer had all that time to build Tigers and Panther tanks, halftracks, ME262s, AR234s.... good god.
Ah...no. While they were very good ships, they were under gunned, had very weak stern sections and had notoriously under sized rudders. Weight of numbers always gives you an advantage. The German navy's most dangerous weapon was the u-boats. Nothing else came close. The biggest mistake the British made was not developing air power against them earlier in the war.
Aside from Bismarck & Tirpitz having a number of outdated features which made them inferior, except in speed to the Nelsons, the KGVs and the Washingtons, the German economy was not limitless, as you appear to think. If you commit the bulk of German resources to a mass warship building programme, then what becomes of the German air force or army. In short, no defeat of France in 1940, a western front similar to that of WW1, and the German fleet stuck, High Seas Fleet like, in the North Sea.
I think you’ve got a bit lost in the myth of ‘superior Nazi kit’. Panther tanks were’t that great and placed a terrible burden on logistics. Tigers were too heavy and had crap engines and gears amongst other things. Me262 weren’t great either mainly as they were rushed and made by slaves. Essentially, it often comes down too “if only Hitler and the Nazis had stopped being Hitler and Nazis then they have won!”
The British would never have simply sat there scratching their asses while the Germans built up immense naval power, without also matching their construction ship for ship. Germany could never have competed in a naval arms race like that- the British shipbuilding industry was vastly more developed than the German one. It was actually part of British law at that time that the Royal Navy was required to have twice as many ships as the TWO next largest navies combined. So no, there is nothing Hitler could have done to alter the naval situation or his country’s status as a second rare sea power.
Hitler, calling the sailors cowards when he is always surrounded by his henchmen in a secure location. Wonder what he would be like on a destroyers deck?
I read somewhere that Hitler said I m expert of land operations and land wars .. I know nothing about navy and naval engagements ... But ironically he often interfered in naval engagements of German navy .. after Scandinavian compain he ordered to scrap his battle cruisers and destroyers and focused only on u boat construction..
The Soviets praised the convoys and British sailors. They created the Artic medal for all who served and built a memorial and remember them yearly at a remembrance ceremony. In 2014 the Russian Embassy awarded 30 of the remaining convoy crews the Ushakov Medal for courage. Any one who tells you any difference is a mischief maker.
Do you really think they attacked the convoy- then though- oh nei- the father-leader! And coward away from the attack at the critical moment and slunk away in nazi shame? I bet that’s exactly how that went down!
The Hipper was a monstrous cruiser, but it was not equipped with 11 inch guns, as stated at 7:38. It had eight 8 inch guns. The Lutzow was the ship that had six 11 inch guns.
KMS Hipper found out the hard way the Royal Navy Fighting Spirit.
Trading historical accuracy for drama but it is you tube. not official. People watch this stuff and think it a history lesson. Great videos with lots of accurate stuff but a lot of things done that are not so accurate to make it a great you tube video. In the case of 11" versus 8" more likely a slip up.
@@TP-ie3hj I agree. I thought it was a simple mistake rather than careless drama.
@@samschaeffer8236 You are excusing the inexcusable.
Neither the hipper or the lützow had 11 inch guns, they had 8 inch guns
Hey just wanted to pop in and say we are loving the longer form videos as of late keep it up Mr. Dark your the best
It’s hard to believe the gunfire could be that accurate in those conditions.
The Soviet's lack of appreciation of the sacrifices made to keep them supplied, is Scandalous!
Agreed- I detest hearing them referred to as 'allies'; they simply were forced to fight the Germans at the same time as us. Brave Navy men assisting a murderous dictatorship at least as bad as Hitler's...
Do you think Americas would be ANY different if Russia was supplying the U.S.?!
Very gripping documentary, excellent work.
Very entertaining and informative. Well told. Thank you.
Glad to see that "John Boy" is back with his actions voice and exciting, dramatic music to add to the fast paced mood.
Thanks! Really enjoy the presentations.
HMS Bulldog was the first to capture an Enigma machine.
Another good one Dark , keep it up .
*bleah*
Those WW2 destroyer captains were remarkable characters, and I'm not just referring to the British ones. Sherbrooke has long been somebody I admire.
Went to gravesend training school in 1970 we will be doing lifeboat training on the Thames in November. We have the thin shirts and the donkey jacket. We would say so were freezing he would say I was in the Arctic convoy that was cold. Didn’t know what he meant.
Mein Gott! Oberst Klink was a busy man in WW2, serving in the Deutsche Kriegsmarine und looking after those crazy rascals in Luft Stalag 13.
I see nothing.
I like how you worded that the Brits accidentally accomplished the pincer movement... 👍
However, on return with empty merchant shops Jamaica was sunk by a U boat that had been dogging the previous convoy
And finally, here comes the Calvary to saved the day. Great video dark sea
It's amazing how they got Calvary from Jerusalem to Norway.
Cavalry
@@garryferrington811 LOL... I caught that too.
@@barnbuild27Cavalry?
@@garryferrington811head for the hills
Your content is so so thrilling and captivating, thank you!!
* gag *
Awesome video .
Sherbrooke has his eye dangling on his cheek and his face split open. Classic “just a flesh wound” RN mental death cult lunacy! Got to love the ‘Senior Service!’
What about the sub?
The Royal Navy and merchantmen didn't see the flares launched by hipper?!
Now that’s the Royal Navy showing how it’s done.
Thank goodness hitler was such a poor handler of a navy.
I think it was more to do with the RN aggressive nature. Same with the Regina Marina. They were forced in to being ‘a fleet in being’ only because they grown to feel so inadequate by the moral superiority imposed on them by the RN. The RN just went at them at every opportunity and convinced them that unless they utterly outmatched the RN they were going to get beat very time. Sulking in port trying t9 look threatening doesn’t fool your own crews for long. ABC’s remark about “………200 years to make a tradition” is the key, I think.
@@geordiedog1749 The British fleet was simply much bigger and could better afford the losses.
It's the only basis for claiming, e.g., that the Germans didn't win at Jutland. "Tradition" wasn't a factor in how many ships got blown up.
He was a politician. He didn't know this first thing about the sea. He could only delegate to his subordinates.
@@gandydancer9710 the Germans did not win at Jutland. Who ever heard of a “victor” leaving the battlefield first and never coming out to sea to fight again 🤦.
@@tingtong8781 That is a ridiculous pair of supposed criteria for a naval victory.
wish there was an option to turn the music off
Wish there was an option to turn the voice off?
There is.. Put. The volume down. @@DogRoar-dq4ri
@@DogRoar-dq4ri Wish there were a different voice and script!
Whinger!
Pa Pa Paul was PBY's these battles, maybe, a 1st EWO?
One of my favorite Military channels! Why would you send ships into the arctic without EVERY ship having radar?!
At that point in the war, radar was new, imprecise, and expensive. Most merchant ships didn't have it, and the radar on the naval vessels that did have it, wasn't that good.
The UK observed the international law on Gun Sizes, but Hitler did not! So trusting in the 1920's & 1930's the UK governments hobbled the British Navy, not even a Retrofit based on intelligence from Day Trippers ?
Radar was in the process of being invented and there weren't enough sets to go around, obviously.
@ no, by then every ZAmerican plane had radar and the Brit planes by ‘41. The Naval ships would have gotten it at the same time the RAF did. Radar had been around since about 1935.
@@annehersey9895 Wikipedia "The prototype, 271X, was fitted to HMS Orchis in March 1941 and declared operational in May. Small numbers became available during the year, with about thirty sets in operation by October. The design spawned two larger versions, Type 272 for destroyers and small cruisers, and Type 273 for larger cruisers and battleships. The *272 was not considered successful* and not widely used... Improved versions, known alternately as Q models or Mark IV, were introduced in early *1943*" So, no, there were few radars for smaller naval units, and they didn't work well, in Dec. 1942 when this encounter took place.
And all the materials we sent which were paid for by the UK. Russia after the war refused to pay or even to help pay for .
Unlike us paying the USA for years.
You also wonder whether they actually needed all those supplies. The USSR's industrial base must have been well in production.
And when they arrived in Russia the soldiers scowled at them and treated them almost like enemies rather than saviours.
why
Stalin's attitude towards British supply efforts ranged from complete indifference to rank ingratitude. This would have been reflected in the demeanour of the soviet military.
@@stomper2888 That's a great question. The British sailors couldn't understand it. The Murmansk run was brutal - constant nazi air attacks from Norway, uboats and horrific freezing temps all to supply and aid an allied nation that treated them with contempt. The Brits complained bitterly but Stalin ignored them.
@@RobinFennell-w2t when he wasn't complaining that they weren't doing enough.
Utter tosh.
What happened to the U boats? Why didn't they attack further?!
Now get a movie made of this event. Or a new one if there is one already from the 50's.
A BBC broadcast told the truth !!!! my how times have changed lmao
Was the Tirpitz already destroyed in the Norwegian fjord at this time? An equal or better to the Bismark, Hitler made it useless because he so feared it's destruction.
HMCS Sherbrooke, I believe.
Nope. THAT ship was named after a place in Canada, not the destroyer captain present here.
Your narrative style and voice are the best of any of the military channels keep up the good work
You mean "the worst", right?
The Battle of the Barents Sea wasn't remotely "Hitler's Last Desperate Naval Move". The clickbait titles and this channel's breathless scripts and delivery are just annoying.
Yet another of the many instancea when British Agent Adolf Hitter earned his retirement in Argentina.
Here at the Battle of the Barents Sea a German heavy cruiser and a pocket battleship ran away from two light cruisers (Jamaica and Sheffield, though admittedly both has 12 x 6"). Each of the six German destroyers were also far heavier than the 6 Royal navy destroyers. Hitler was a bad man but do we really think his orders not to "risk his ships" applied when faced by so much weaker forces?
At the Battle of the River Plate Lützow's sister ship Graf Spee ALONE faced two light cruisers though with only 8 x 6" and a small heavy cruiser with 6 x 8" and was still accused of cowardice albeit more justified. On the Eastern front Hitler is blamed by his self-serving generals for many more decisions than he was really responsible for - I suspect the same here. Hitler's order has been said to apply only to "capital" ships which at least in the West would not even have included either Hipper or the slightly lower weight Lützow but only to Tirpitz and the very soon to return Scharnhorst. (Lützow was even re-rated as a cruiser when she was renamed from the original Deutschland in late 1939.)
Your hindsight is 20:20.
@@gandydancer9710 I have been unable to determine what Hitler's orders were: capital or large ships or when they were issued? Also it seems very open to doubt that the 50% bigger, 50% more crew heavy cruiser Hipper could be regarded as better than one of the RN light cruisers. It had slightly weaker belt armour while 8" had a lower rate of fire and though I have not checked I would imagine that an RN light cruiser perhaps had better radar fire control. Lutzow was the renamed Deutschland which was marginally weaker than the other pocket battleships.
@@MartinChadwick-xe7gh The RN was much larger. It made perfect sense for the Kriegsmarine to avoid combat with British warships. Look at Jutland. The High Seas Fleet inflicted more damage (i,.e., "won") but lost the exchange because it had fewer ships.
More holes than a colander. First you have star shells and nobody on the British side saw them. He said hipper had 11inch guns then 8 inch guns. So no mention of radar which would have alerted the British.
That kid at 20:42 looks like he's about 15.
Despite the heroics of the destroyers surely Hipper and Lutzow could dealt with Jamaica and Sheffield who only had 6" guns!
What is the difference between having your capital ships safely in port because you are too afraid to expose them to danger, and having them filled with water and dead sailors at the bottom of the sea?
Edit: I am talking about the usefulness of the warships here. Thought that was obvious. I assumed a higher intelligence than was justified.
The threat of action forces defensive measures to draw resources
Its a you tube video covering one of a hundred surface raids on convoys with a sh!t ton of drama to make the video not historical facts. This kid was never at hitlers side when he "raged" on about his navy!
The difference between a fleet in being and a sunk fleet is rather obvious.
Not that Germany should ever have bothered with a navy.
@@gandydancer9710 Of course. But I was referring to the usefulness of the warships.
A warship that is sunk is useless. A warship that can't leave port for fear of having it sunk is equally useless.
@@TP-ie3hj I have no idea what you are talking about. Who is the "kid"? Me or the creator of the video?
Hitler never cared about the Navy. He didn't think it was really that important. The Z plan was the rearmament plan for the Kriegsmarine. It was set to be completed in 44/45 when the war was expected to break out. It was to have 4 Bismarck class BBs 2 H class BBs (about 40% larger than a Bismarck) and various support ships, including I believe a carrier or two. This was expected to be able to rival the Royal Navy, and vie for control of the North Atlantic. The Bismarck and Tirpitz were better than any BB the allies had at the time. The H class ships would have been the best ever built. If..... IF Hitler had wanted to delay until 44/45 to start the war.... It's quite possible they could have won. Imagine if the Heer had all that time to build Tigers and Panther tanks, halftracks, ME262s, AR234s.... good god.
The German navy never liked hitler refusing to do the nazi salute.
Ah...no. While they were very good ships, they were under gunned, had very weak stern sections and had notoriously under sized rudders. Weight of numbers always gives you an advantage. The German navy's most dangerous weapon was the u-boats. Nothing else came close. The biggest mistake the British made was not developing air power against them earlier in the war.
Aside from Bismarck & Tirpitz having a number of outdated features which made them inferior, except in speed to the Nelsons, the KGVs and the Washingtons, the German economy was not limitless, as you appear to think. If you commit the bulk of German resources to a mass warship building programme, then what becomes of the German air force or army.
In short, no defeat of France in 1940, a western front similar to that of WW1, and the German fleet stuck, High Seas Fleet like, in the North Sea.
I think you’ve got a bit lost in the myth of ‘superior Nazi kit’. Panther tanks were’t that great and placed a terrible burden on logistics. Tigers were too heavy and had crap engines and gears amongst other things. Me262 weren’t great either mainly as they were rushed and made by slaves. Essentially, it often comes down too “if only Hitler and the Nazis had stopped being Hitler and Nazis then they have won!”
The British would never have simply sat there scratching their asses while the Germans built up immense naval power, without also matching their construction ship for ship. Germany could never have competed in a naval arms race like that- the British shipbuilding industry was vastly more developed than the German one. It was actually part of British law at that time that the Royal Navy was required to have twice as many ships as the TWO next largest navies combined. So no, there is nothing Hitler could have done to alter the naval situation or his country’s status as a second rare sea power.
"Forever"...for now.
The British cruisers shown in this video are County class, not Sheffield or Jamaica
So what?
The fact they got the nationality right is a miracle for this channel. Quantity over quality.
Of course, you have to wonder where all those U-Boats were.......
Hitler, calling the sailors cowards when he is always surrounded by his henchmen in a secure location. Wonder what he would be like on a destroyers deck?
I read somewhere that Hitler said I m expert of land operations and land wars .. I know nothing about navy and naval engagements ... But ironically he often interfered in naval engagements of German navy .. after Scandinavian compain he ordered to scrap his battle cruisers and destroyers and focused only on u boat construction..
All dictators are cowards. Real leaders understand and appreciate, contributions and sacrifices of everyone.
This could be an effective ten minute story.
BUT NO?
Woah
Col. Klink...just saying. I wonder if anyone else noticed..?? 12;40
RIP you ratings
From South Africa why the definition "high seas" and not inclusive of submarines operating in the same area ?
WAR IS EVIL.
Don't notice on this one
The Soviets praised the convoys and British sailors. They created the Artic medal for all who served and built a memorial and remember them yearly at a remembrance ceremony. In 2014 the Russian Embassy awarded 30 of the remaining convoy crews the Ushakov Medal for courage. Any one who tells you any difference is a mischief maker.
Bothering to " tell you any difference[sic]" isn't a thing.
Do you really think they attacked the convoy- then though- oh nei- the father-leader! And coward away from the attack at the critical moment and slunk away in nazi shame? I bet that’s exactly how that went down!
Remove the word “coward” and that’s exactly how it went down.
😊😊😊
Neither the Hipper or the lützow had 11 inch guns, they had 8 8 inch guns
The Lützow had 6 11” guns. It was a pocket battleship formerly named Deutschland.
Bro
is this a documentary or a verbal race,horrible narration
There is a modified u-boat scuttled of the coast of Argentina that Hitler used to escape...
😂No, there isn't.
There is a U-boat on the bottom of the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland.
Forget it, Hitler was a latent claustrophobic
You funny guy..😂
Hitler escaped to Maryland. He really liked oysters.
This continuous, uninterrupted, staccato commentary leads me to immediately block the corresponding channel.
I give up I just cant stand the flowery commentry.
good story, terrible presentation.