Bishop Barron on Grace and Karma
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- There are two basic approaches to religion throughout the world. The first, found in much of the East, is a religion of karma, and the second, prominent in the Abrahamic religions of the West, is a religion of grace. We devotees of a religion of grace have to know that the gift is not for us alone; rather the generosity of God is meant to awaken a like generosity in us.
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There is a quote in "The Flowers of Saint Francis" early on:
-"Why does everyone follow you, Francesco? You're not tall, handsome or noble."
-Because God could not find a lower creature on Earth, nor a sinner worse than I, in order to show that all virtue and good come from Him, not us."
"For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace to me was not in vain. No, I worked harder than all of them--yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed." 1 - Corinthians 15:9-11
Ur think lowest why?God choose because of they handsome ,tall ect.but coz of their kindness,although u have everything but u no have kindness that is useless
You hit the nail right on the head! Thanks for sharing such a beautiful quote.
Last week, I converted to Catholic and surprised everyone!!! I have listened to video your for a long time...your wisdom ,devotion and love of Christ have gradually changed me. I find myself wanting to learn more from you about Jesus Christ and ❤️ to will of good of the others. God bless you and thank you, Bishop Barron.
Well, God bless you!
@@BishopBarron Karma father Barron as a Hindu is just cause and effect not getting what you deserve it's a misconception that Christianity has about Hinduism or Buddhism when it comes to Karma Karma is just like the law of gravity its impersonal it's not God punishing you for your sins such as the Abrahamic religions Christianity Islam and Judaism. Teach . So theres nothing about Karma that says your getting what you deserve. You can make the argument that Karma seems to make more sense than the idea of Jesus taking away sins. In Christianity theology. Becuse if Jesus takes away sins how do you grow and learn. Thanks I love your videos
@@TheAaronChand Grace doesn't mean your sins are taken away when you don't want it. Your sins will not be taken away unless you repent. To repent is not merely asking for forgiveness, rather, it is a turning away from your sin and then start walking with God. Is that clear enough for you?
@@Lerian_V it gives people the illusion that however much they sin they will ultimately be saved by the grace of God. That doesn't exist in Hinduism. Cause and effect Karma will happen regardless if you where to repent. Forgiveness and repentance dosent change anything. In fact unlike our system in Hinduism Christianity grace or Jesus taking away sins actually encourage bad behavior. Because as I said it gives people the idea no matter how much they sin they will ultimately be saved by the grace of God.
@@TheAaronChand That is what grace is. When you turn to the true God, all your sins and guilt are taken away completely. You can't earn your way to eternal bliss. You need your sins forgiven and you need to trust in Jesus as your Lord and savior.
Karma and Grace is not exclusive. I think Grace and Karma together explains life.
the sikhs appear to believe in that
"We may not get what we want, we may not get what we need, but let's pray we never get what we deserve."
My favorite toast, and a compact statement of the idea of grace.
Chris Moellering amen to that :)
Oh, Indya, you enjoy making fun! And i understand the reasons. Supernaturalism has no standards for plausibility.
As I've written previously:
The conflict between supernaturalists who disagree, each having zero verifiable evidence to support their particular predilections, is always a marvel. Supernaturalists have no standard--no accepted set of criteria--to determine whether an assertion, a speculation, an opinion, a conjecture is "true" or even remotely plausible. This is so much in contrast to naturalism, where we have a universally accepted standard of plausibility viz. is the assertion consistent with our best, most robust, broadest, most coherent, falsifiable, and predictive explanations? It's such a simple and reliable metric for promoting inquiry. But then, because supernaturalism requires no evidence whatever, what need have you for a metric? LOL.
Oh Timmy....And since Einstein's math is incredibly compelling, your eternity simply IS.
Oh, Timmy: Kindly provide the verifiable evidence for your assertion. Thanks!
Oh my dear, dear abysmally ignorant Tommy:
Scientific naturalism provides us with the most powerful, most accurate, most reliable, and the ONLY PREDICTIVE means of inquiry ever devised by humankind.
If you had taken but one course in a natural science at the university level, we'd not need to review such simple and fundamental characteristics of science.
Science begins with unfettered, authority-free, imaginative inquiry. It then develops ideas about the Universe (multi-Verse) and every phenomenon that affects it or purports to affect it, seeks VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE about such, and then AIMS for robust, powerful, coherent, broad, falsifiable, and predictive explanations. That's it. EXPLANATIONS.
Science cannot, nor does it seek to, "prove" or "disprove" anything at all, let alone the existence or non-existence of any of the tens of thousands of gods ever invented, including your particular god.
As a naturalist, I have a standard by which I determine whether an assertion made by anyone is "true" or even "plausible." That standard? I ask: is the assertion consistent with our very best broad, robust, powerful, coherent, falsifiable, and predictive explanations? When I apply such standard to the question of a "god," I find that the Universe (multi-Verse) exists and behaves precisely as I'd expect absent any of the tens of thousands of gods ever posited by humankind. Therefore, any god of any kind, including yours, is irrelevant and inconsequential.
You supernaturalists have no such standard to apply to your supernaturalism. Hence, you merely assert, conjecture, opine, and speculate...and then CONSTANTLY disagree----but not one of you has superior evidence to any other. Indeed, none of you as any verifiable evidence whatever.
What never ceases to amaze me is that when you supernaturalists consider forms of supernaturalism other than your own (and there exist untold thousands of them), you apply scientific naturalism to those claims. A christian maintains that Mohammed had no winged horse, a Jew thinks that the reanimation of a corpse is absurd, a Hindus thinks that accepting just one puny god is stupid, and a Buddhist thinks that all of the others are utterly irrational. They all use scientific naturalism to judge the claims of OTHERS but NOT their own. Amazing.
Thomism is merely opinion. It's not even rational conjecture---no more rational than its advocacy of the extermination of unbelievers.
In my own personal life, I endeavor to use the most accurate, most reliable, most successful, and only predictive means of inquiry that we have, viz.: science. It works very, very well.
You, of course, are welcome to continue to embrace your irrelevant and inconsequential god, but, for your sake, I hope that you've chosen the right one!
I love Bishop Barron. He is a true testament to the true Catholic Church
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Respect bro 💪!
Bishop have you considered sitting down with Jordan peterson? I feel your two perspectives would lead to an amazing conversation
I see your comment aged pretty well
“God is more willing to pardon than we have been to sin.”😇St. Catherine of Siena🙏🏻4us
Another wonderful mini-class, Dear Bishop Barron! Thanks and God Bless you. A true conduit of Grace.
One of my favorite TH-cam videos of all time. Fills me with hope and happiness.
Mary Cahill if you die tomorrow, do you know where your soul will go? Why?
It’s not that simple. the Bhakti school of Hinduism very much believes in Grace.
There is nothing constant in Hinduism...it cannot be refuted bcoz its a mashup of religions. Each person believes what works for them. There is no concept of objective truth. There are atheist hindus, agnostic hindus, hindus who worship man gods..
Such an amazing explanation. Thank you Father!
But my question is, why christian doctrine believes that man deserves the worse? I get that we are fallen creatures, we are fallible, but, why does christian doctrine automatically assumes that man is so wicked and corrupt and evil that he deserve the worse of the worse, so as to be thankful that he has a religion of grace and not karma? Karma is a natural law and it operates regardless of what religion you profess.
This is a great talk, particularly within the context of the idea of grace. You very poetically and clearly explain some problems with the idea and also how it works.
But I think when you address karma it shows at best a slight distortion or misunderstanding of the idea of karma, particularly in Buddhism. Karma is not "getting what you deserve" but rather the idea of cause and effect. If you plant a lemon seed, and the right cultivating conditions occur, a lemon tree will grow. You shouldn't be surprised nor upset that a mango tree didn't grow instead. This is how it works at the simplest and most practical level that most meditation practitioners deal with.
I don't think it's even necessarily mutually exclusive from the idea of grace, at least at karma's simplest and most obvious levels. Again, I'm speaking for Buddhism here- not sure about Hinduism, but in Buddhism karma is not at all about "punishment" or getting "just deserts" (although it's possible to manifest that way sometimes- but that's not what it's "about") but on the every day level it's about how mind states are cultivated, how they develop and grow into emotions, impulses, then actions, and then those actions meet with external circumstances, and when repeated and cultivated they can ripen into relationship patterns and personal dispositions. You don't even HAVE to go further into the idea of rebirth- one CAN just leave it there.
But in other words, if you want to grow certain kinds of mind states, pay attention to the thought seeds. What kinds of thoughts are you allowing to run through your mind and "listening to" from moment to moment? if your thoughts are criticizing, complaining, blaming, etc. you should not be surprised that you are in a foul mood and treat people poorly, and in return those people are upset with you, or have some poor opinion of you. THAT is the law of karma. The training is to watch those thoughts, and if those thoughts are causing suffering to yourself and potentially to others, the practitioner is to redirect the mind, to see the thoughts are not real nor substantial, have compassion for the conditions that brought about those those thoughts, (you have to practice to see clearly you didn't CHOOSE those thoughts, so you don't "DESERVE" them- they probably came from previous conditions- your biology, your family, etc.) and then to try to cultivate compassionate and kind thoughts. Also to see how this pattern works with others, and how they're ALSO the result of their causes and conditions, which allows you to not see them as inherently "good" or "bad" (although they might be temporarily MANIFESTING as "good" or "bad" fleetingly in a particular context or situation) but rather see them as suffering, and as a fellow human being. From this position it's very hard to see them as an "enemy" but one can still stand up to them or try to stop them from doing harm if that's what you see them doing. But it's from a very different place- not from "you're my enemy" but from "you're my brother or sister, and I feel I need to do XYZ to help you." And as much as possible to be kind, understanding and generous, and how those actions will cultivate the "fruit" of compassion, happiness, and enjoyable relationships.
One could argue on a theoretical level how the law of karma and idea of grace are fundamentally different, which I'm not really interested in doing, but on a practical level I don't see how this practice contradicts the tenets of living a Christian life, nor how it contradicts grace. In fact I think it can give you a psychological technology to help improve your Christian walk. You will still have plenty of room for growth, plenty of places where you'll mess up and do something stupid, selfish or unkind, from which you can ask for God's grace to forgive and help you with.
Karma is a dangerous philosophy, I am Indian and I know how disgusting it is, you never know how much you have to pay for sins from your previous life, when the Idea of determined destiny is involved it becomes worst.
Debasish Halder - you reap what you sow. It's called Cause and Effect. Everything has a consequence. Nothing dangerous about Natural Law.
debashish do you even know the concept of karma? u r mixing karma with reincarnation
And BVale, what the heck does that show? Who cares what Rupert Sheldrake decided? You supernaturalists. Constant irrelevancy.
BVale: Dogs and Bonobos embrace altruism. It's intrinsic to our evolutionary heritage. Of course, I embrace altruism as a valuable, positive, behavioral attribute for the preservation of our species, selected by evolution.
Sheldrake presented no verifiable evidence for his assertions and is therefore discounted.
Your point?
Ah, BVale, the PERFECT EXAMPLE of supernaturalistic inability to establish a common standard of the plausible! Perfect!
You are amazing in your propensity to cite examples counter to your apparent preference!
Supernaturalism possesses NO UNIVERSAL COMMON STANDARD to determine that which is plausible. Hinduism may well disagree with the verifiable evidence of Bonobo altruistic behavior. Such is the typical supernaturalistic position. No inquiry. No verifiable evidence. No predictive explanation.
Thank you for such a splendid example! It's actually one of my favorites, but YOU presented it, making it even more interesting.
If I were you? I'd simply return to embracing my irrelevant, inconsequential 3-part god, ignore verifiable evidence, cover my eyes, and hope for the best! Good luck!
This video brings to mind similarities between karma and prosperity theology. Very thought provoking Bishop Barron. Btw- enjoyed your reflections on Advent.
An observation from an interested agnostic (or a "secret Herod" as you would say)... what attracted me most with the teaching's of Eastern religions and Karma is the non-finality ingredient in this worldview which I find gives a sense of Hope, whereas the finality ingredient in most Abrahamic religions can lead to a sense of despair. What I mean is, in Karmic religions there is always Hope even in the midst of reaping what you deserve because the punishment is finite and proportionate. In Abrahamic religions, once a certain threshold is passed there is no Hope. That is something that attracts me more towards a Karmic worldview than an Abrahamic worldview. But nevertheless I enjoyed this video and I always enjoy your perspectives on these issues.
I love to listen at your feet Father...God bless your media ministry!!
They are making you fool.
Hi there Bishop Robert Barron.
Eastern religion teaches surrender (grace) and freedom from action (karma).
“Surrender exclusively unto him with your whole being, O Bharat. By his grace, you will attain perfect peace and the eternal abode.” - Bhagavad Gita 18:62
“Those whose intellect is unattached everywhere, who have mastered the mind, and are free from desires by the practice of renunciation, attain the highest perfection of freedom from action.” - Bhagavad Gita 18:49
But I would like to point out that, some of the deistic eastern religions operate under the framework of grace+karma. It's not karma alone. Especially the school of Shri Vaishnavim. Where they say you are stuck in the karmic loop, but you can be saved by Lord's grace. It's a mixture of both grace and karma. But again, in grace based religions, God makes choice on something, right? What is that something? however secretive it is, there must be something on whose basis God makes a choice. The difference is called karma. And again even though Christianity is not proclaiming karma explicitly, the spirit of karma is abundant in many statements, one of which is "as you sow , so you reap". and many more www.openbible.info/topics/that_what_you_sow_so_shall_you_reap
God bless you, Your Excellency!
I pray every single one of our prelates would be as charitable, as knowledgeable, and as erudite as yourself.
May God bless you abundantly with even more faith, hope, and charity, and may Our Lady pray Our Lord to fill you with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding, and may the Holy Spirit give your words recognition and power with millions of people around the globe!
First off, I am a an orthodox christian, just to clarify.
I think you’re misunderstanding the basic karman law. Yes, “you get what you deserve”, but that’s found in the bible as well. Look at proverbs for that.
What’s important considering karma in Hinduism and Buddhism for example is that this law, this karmic law connected to it the samsara of deaths and rebirths, the important thing to realise is that this is NOT A GOOD THING for us. And that Maya, the veil over our eyes of not knowing God, the Truth, is behind this whole cosmic law, and that this needs to be escaped by knowing God or the essence of all things, or letting go, as in Buddhism. This then sets you free from this law, as you said, freeing you from the terrible law of karma. Mind you, even reincarnating as a god is not in your best interests. In your best interests is to leave this endless wheel of suffering. Much like Christians die to the world with God creating everything anew, so do the easterners escape the circle of samsara by coming to God who frees them from this endless horrifying destiny.
It’s not as straight forward as you are presenting it, bishop, no offence.
We have a troll in the dungeon, folks. Ignore and pray for him.
Great video though as always, bishop!
The conflict between supernaturalists who disagree, each having zero verifiable evidence to support their particular predilections, is always a marvel. Supernaturalists have no standard--no accepted set of criteria--to determine whether an assertion, a speculation, an opinion, a conjecture is "true" or even remotely plausible. This is so much in contrast to naturalism, where we have a universally accepted standard of plausibility viz. is the assertion consistent with our best, most robust, broadest, most coherent, falsifiable, and predictive explanations? It's such a simple and reliable metric for promoting inquiry. But then, because supernaturalism requires no evidence whatever, what need have you for a metric? LOL.
The assertion that the physical sciences can explain everything in this world cannot be proven scientifically, so naturalism/scientism falls on itself. I would suggest reading Peter Kreeft or St. Thomas Aquinas on the importance of theology.
Oh Timmy, Timmy! As a molecular biologist, of course I can! There are many ideas and much, much evidence for various options.
Again, science cannot nor does it seek to "prove" anything, but options for very reasonable and coherent explanations abound. It requires time to do the experiments, obtain the verifiable evidence, etc. Much more time than some ancient Jew scratching out the fairytale of Genesis.
Please, please take just one course in a natural science at the university level. My goodness it becomes onerous to teach the fundamentals of scientific inquiry to ignorant supernaturalists.
Here is one very nice source among hundreds that discusses many possibilities under consideration, most entirely consistent with our best explanations in biology, physics, and chemistry:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
Enjoy! But please take just one---just one---course in a natural science at the university level so that you won't appear quite so ignorant. Thanks!
Ridiculous, Tommy! Ridiculous! Know you no science at all? Not a whit? See my response to Timmy above.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
Read and enjoy! You won't understand it, but read it anyway.
Oh, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny! Such ignorant supernaturalists! Can I find no relief?
Science can neither "prove" nor "disprove" anything at all! Know you not that fundamental attribute of this most powerful, most accurate, most successful and only PREDICTIVE means of inquiry ever devised by humans?
Please take just one course in a natural science at the university level.
Oh, and Tommy Aquinas is a poor excuse for a philosopher. He advocated the extermination of those who disagreed with him. At least in philosophy departments today, they don't often do that.
Another point: our best scientific explanations and observations show us unequivocally that the Universe (multi-Verse) exists and behaves PRECISELY as we'd expect absent any of the tens of thousands of gods ever invented by humankind, including yours. That makes any god, including yours, inconsequential and irrelevant. That in turns makes "theology" a masturbatory activity.
You are more than welcome to continue to embrace your inconsequential and irrelevant god but, for your sake, I certainly hope that you've chosen the right one out of the tens of thousands of options.
Am 58, American. Graduated philosophy 1985. Been a seeker since. Have read all theology and philosophy. Karma and Reincarnation is the only way to understand GOD. To be Catholic in 2022 is because of psychological problems. Or, to be ignorant followers of blind truth. The bishop is well educated, I would advise him, as I will do myself, this summer, to take a solo Motorcycle journey across the U.S. Catholic Dogma nor Protestant fundamentalism are not a path to peace with God. Only TRUST, in reality, that there is a purpose underneath our errors, which lets us work them out for ultimate RE-CONNECTION WITH the Divine, is the goal of most of Eastern Philosophy. And, TRUST is the Greek word for FAITH. In the end, we all choose our path, so, good tidings, to whatever you CHOOSE to believe.
But, GOD, of course, our creator, and co-creator we smile upon!
Sorry to offend any. I read the comments and see you like him. Ok. God Bless
A grace that doesn't reach everyone sounds like an exclusive gift, much more cruel than the principle of karman, which is supposed to be impersonal and not necessarily good and right. I never heard anyone accusing the law of gravity of being unjust.
But grace does reach everyone! God chooses some--precisely for the sake of everyone else.
@@BishopBarron So, nobody is left outside the kingdom? Nobody goes to eternal death? Or to the "unquenchable fire"? No "weeping and gnashing of teeth"? To me, this grace looks much more limited and arbitrary than the law of karman.
Also: what texts on karman are you referring to?
laapasakuna We can hope so.
As I thought, your understanding of karma is quite shallow. Why don't you do some research before you talk about something
Thank You ! Another well thought out, easy to understand, even for a wretch like me, presentation.
Cheers John
Beloved Bishop Barron, you don't need my praise but just the same, here it is: thank you Lord, for electing Bishop Robert Barron, a worthy conduit of your grace.
"God elects for the sake of the world." I need to remember that the next time I'm jealous. It's not about me or the person who got the gifts. Those gifts are for everybody, and God's reasons for choosing that person or time doesn't really matter.
My view is much more pessimistic. I don't believe in karma or grace. I believe in a morally indifferent process of cause and effect. My "religion" is: "Things happen. The universe doesn't care about us in the grand scheme of things." I guess I'm a bit Lovecraftian in that sense. Lol
It appears religions of grace invented the easy way out.
I really admire and respect Bishop Barron's teachings.
However,
I do disagree with this one - eastern religions such as Hinduism do believe in Grace( it's just expressed differently
One should read Bhakti Yoga in the Bhagavad Gita
There is great value given in love of God as the ultimate form of Love. Complete surrender to the Lord spontaneously cleanses all karmic effects and makes one pure
The only way to the Father who art in Heaven is through Jesus the narrow gate broad is the way that leads to destruction not Buddha or Hindu or krishna's or the Pope or anybody that walks on this Earth can lead you to our loving Heavenly Father that wants you in the kingdom of God with him but through Jesus Christ a renewing of your spirit born again plus repentance is your best chance to be with Jesus Christ in the kingdom of God God bless you and I hope the best for all of you Jesus is on the other side of door without a handle I need you to open it up and let him in
Addition, what do you think of Hindu Vedas all pointing toward Jesus Christ where He has to be born of a virgin, His bones should not be broken and 3 other main factors?
Thank you Bishop! We will continue to spread the good news of Grace! Do you have any recommendations on evangelizing to people who insist they don't need it?
Don't believe "Conservative" my friend Indya. Your comments are based upon verifiable evidence plus billions of dollars in payoffs, well documented. Conservative's stuff is absent verifiable evidence. Now that's a real difference.
Wide variations may occur.
My 2 cents (or less), be an example for them, be there for them when they struggle (everyone struggles), take every opportunity to teach (not push, but in a way that shows how God, God's word, Jesus death and resurrection,etc, apply to their life). Emphasize the love that God has for us.
As a Hindu the Hindu doctrine of Karma and transmigration and reincarnation counter Christianity idea of needing a savior according to Karma man has no need for a savior because each one must atone for his or her sins in success or rebriths untill they can retain salvation by the of Karma an endless cycle of reincarnations the soul reaps what it sows in one life in the form of either misery or of a blessing in a future rebirth. The Christian idea of Atonement through Jesus who sacrificed himself for fallen humanity is opposed to the law of Karma. As Hindus we find it hard to subscribe to the idea of one man suffering for another mans sin as it makes the moral laws of the universe unrealistic by keeping people in the happy illusion that however much they go on sinning they would ultimately be saved by the grace of God
Great video. Grace and Karma both have their merits and to each their own.
Hinduism is one such religion that essentially combines the two together in the most harmonious way.
Eastern Religions are all from Karma. You may Google it
@@AzadHind572 i don't need to Google it. I am from it. Eastern religion is not completely based on karma, a huge part of it is grace.
You know it is "cultural appropriation" when you claim "Karma" and compare them to some abrahamic religions? I hope you don't make such blasphemous videos in the future.
WITH GOD ALL IS POSSIBLE...Strive everyday to be WITH GOD in thought and action and trust.
Hindus are also very thankful that we live within a karmic tradition and not original sin. I will always be a Hindu, but I nevertheless enjoy this man’s teachings and come back everyday. If someone had a teaching, I want it. Bless you all.
Hindus also believe in Grace. But this grace is not conditional. Everyone gets grace of God. Even if a person hates God. God gives grace for no reason. It is just that some people will understand this early and some late. Everyone will finally achieve liberation, it is just about time. Some will achieve it sooner some later. There is no concept of eternal blasphemy and eternal punishment in Hinduism. God loves everyone equally.
If you view Karma as a basic cause and effect the judgment of moral action (or lack thereof), then Grace will often be the better observation. But when karma is just the outworking of the 'law' in which Grace weaves its magic, then Grace is just a greater outworking of divine life. They are both handmaidens of each other when properly understood as for the betterment of mankind (Karma is very much misunderstood in the West). In the end grace 'does thankfully abound' but rarely without the former.
Absolutly right with Jesús Christ we not need nothing!😇😇😇 He is our reason to live our Love! God is Love!
So did Hitler or Stalin deserve Grace? Not all things are forgivable surely? At least under Karma they would get what they deserve? Or would they?
Well, no one deserves grace. That's why it's called "grace."
@@BishopBarron as a Hindu father our view of Karma makes more sense than the Abrahamic religions Christinty Islam and Judaism I see it as an excuse that God gives grace and than takes away our responsibility for our actions it makes sense in the mortal world and in The Afterlife you do wrong you should suffer in the Abrahamic religions you have hell and Haven which is a form of getting what u deserve. Forgiveness and grace exists in Hinduism too
@@TheAaronChand We have a version of Karma too; but it is trumped by grace.
Actually they would
One difference is that Karma protects (or purports to protect) the *good* actor from harm on Earth. Grace doesn't seem to do that.
While not Karma per se', The Bible does indeed teach that if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven.
The prophet Jonah starts off as a believer in Karma by disobeying God's command to preach to the people of Nineveh, which the prophet Jonah hated. Jonah found God's grace inside the belly of a fish.
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INDYA 1846 I really am concern where you are getting this information? Would you mind giving me clear evidences? (: I would appreciate you thank you! God bless!
Rape is a strong word, but so is the idea of blood used as a 'shield' against wrath. Both can seem alien.
This was a terribly simplistic and naive presentation of karma, and to call karma "the harsh wind of what I deserve", as the bishop did, is indicative of that naivety. Most Buddhists agree that anyone can achieve nirvana at anytime. "Nirvana" is the transcendence of karma, the transcendence of suffering and illusion. The fact that freedom from karma is a free gift available to anyone is kind of like "grace", isn't it? Why do Christians always look to accentuate differences between religions, instead of recognizing the similarities?
I just left a comment to pretty much the same effect. How the bishop missed recognising the fact that the Old Covenant law of Israel was by definition a law of cause and effect I'll never know. These concepts are not unique to certain "kinds" of religion-they can be found in various forms in all of them as long as one isn't intentionally blinding themselves to that possibility.
Because there in fact ARE fundamental differences between karma and grace.
A free gift that must be earned? To escape the karmic wheel usually takes many lifetimes. Why?
Bishop Barron is not doing interreligious dialog here, but emphasizing the differences between Grace and Karma. He's focusing on the Cause, not the Effects. Receiving vs. Obtaining.
Karma is impersonal: a concept. Grace is given, by a Subject, a Person with a conscience.
For similarities and the official position of the Church towards non-Christian religions, see the decree *Nostra Aetate*, 1965.
For recent development, follow the dialogs.
Thanking Jesus for you Bishop Barron and lots of prayers on your way.
Thank you Bishop Barron, I appreciate the clear and concise explanation and it helps me in my discernment.
Grace is The Free Gift of The GOD of The Holy Bible. Karma is buddhist, hindu, taoist doctrine! How can a so called 'christian' priest discuss this??
Free - without obligation - to be used as wished.
Consequences - a separate part of the user agreement.
Karma is very different from justice. Karma is both action and consequences....seed and fruit...one thing leds to another...thats karma according to Hinduism.......good deeds lead to good results and bad deeds to bad results ....thats Karma according to Buddhism a little different.......there are deeds and there are consequences and a chain....its a different worldview.......treat Karma some sort of a ledger...credit and debit ........
Hindus believe in grace and Catholics believe in Karma. Should you murder? No bc it’s a movement away from god and that’s bad karma
Wrong! Judaism, Islam and Catholicism are all Karmic religions in a way (purgatory for instance).
Grace is just a buzzword, proof: you just called the mass and the sacraments grace.
It's like saying : I happened to be born in the true religion = Grace!
It's so generalized and loose in Catholic circles it's almost void of any meaning.
Also... do you imply that the Vatican is the new/true Zion?
+ A third method, the Catholic method, a heretical combination of the two: Nullable salvation by "grace" unless good works.
Without deserving, or without 'earning'? Different words.
Unlike a breath of oxygen?
Wonderful. Love seeing your library, I recognize some books I have, esp. the Pelikan. Someday, would you consider giving us a library tour and commenting on the books you have found most helpful?
I think I finally figured out what asking for the grace of... patience or understanding my situation. Or the grace of...
You bishops can't help trying to explain everything. Ecclesiastes chapter 7v16. You never find the balance in this Life yet Mary is a exception in your theology.
8:35 ... and again Bishop Baron displays a stupid ignorance of Buddhist karma. Karma is not retributive. There is no arbiter of justice in Buddhism, and so no dispensing of justice. Moreover, Buddhism rejects the notion of an immutable self, or soul that could be the recipient of just deserts. The one who commits the act is not the one who experiences the karmic consequences (although they may experience worldly, or immediate consequences). It's actually not hard to learn about Buddhist karmic theory. If you want to, that is.
Free will is against original sin that Augustine of hippo taught.. you just created your own dilemmas.
The path of grace is also embedded in the eastern philosophy too. Which is known as the path of devotion, one of the four major paths of Indian tradition from Vedas. To understand concept of Karma one need to realize the lessons of the Upanishads (Brihadaranyaka Upanishad specifically), which consists of the core philosophy of Vedas.
Well, the karma that one receives is strictly speaking, in the Buddhist doctrine, not what he deserves in terms of his actions in his present life, but is rather the total sum of the consequences of his actions in the present life, all his numerous previous lives combined, plus the collective consequences of the region/community/country he is in.
And so, let's say that everything good could happen to one is the water in a full bottle, then if he becomes a scoundrel, he technically doesn't really get what a scoundrel deserves, rather he is pouring the water out in the bottle instead of filling it., and when the bottle goes down to this level or that level, he will start to suffer the consequences that is more or less equivalent to that level. But, if he recognizes his wrong-doings in time, and fixes his mistakes by doing good deeds, then he should be fine. So if you do one bad deed and 10 good deeds, then you will have the amount of water equivalent to 9 good deeds filled into your bottle.
All of that aside, there is still the (I don't remember correctly the term) "neutral karma", that is the laws of science that will occur to one if he does a certain thing, e.g. if he eats bad food then nobody will save him from getting a bad stomach, or if he sits too much then his backbones will deteriorate, .etc
I think the most problematic thing when comparing the grace of Christianity to something like the karma of Buddhism, is the fact that Buddhism considers life is an endless cycle and do not acknowledge an ultimate sense of self. Gautama Buddha himself said that every creature will be re-birth into the next life after only a fraction of a second following its death, bringing with it into the new life every consequences and knowledges and experiences of all its previous lives (which will be manifested in the next life as something akin to the Jungian shadow and collective unconsciousness). In this sense, a man is not really himself, rather he is the result of so many different things, of the past and of the present, that you cannot simply say "You deserve this because you did this". After all, there is no ultimate "you" in the Buddhist karma philosophy. It will be more like, "You have these conditions and this action, so this is the result that you get".
I'm really sorry for this wall of texts. I sensed that there is something that is incomplete in your explanation of the karma in this video, and thought that I might add something to it. If I sound like I'm being arrogant and telling you what you already knew, then I'm sorry too. I respect you a lot and have enjoyed your video tremendously.
Woah I don't wonna stand up in the harsh wind of what I deserve.
I was wondering how Christian scholars resolve the Buddhist proposal of No Self. Ajahn Brahm says he found after a lot of meditation that he doesnt exist. There is the famous saying of No Self No Problem etc. But I have always found this to be unsatisfying in Buddhism. At the same time seeing their point. What is it that is the Self in the Christian Sense ? What is it that is saved? I find this idea unsettling in Buddhism, becauzse it brings with it a cold nihilistic undercurrent, but it is at the same time unsettling with regards to Christianity, in the sense that Christians may simply overlook certain insights about the nature of thoughts feelings and free will? Or is Buddhist thoughtless presence that is revealed in deep meditation, or the stream of consciousness translated in Christianity into an indivdual soul ? Or interpreted as such? How can this problem be resolved and made consistent with Christian teachings?
I still have problems w the concept. The Prodigal sone father IMO should treat the sons the same once the prodigal son returned, not treat the prodigal son exceptionally. For Jesus to equate the woman with dogs is a bit hard to take as well.
No, a person who rapes and kills a child is not going to escape the justice of God. They will pay for it, here, or other dimensions, if you believe in a just God.
I do not agree that the religions of the east should be put into a different category because you label Christianity as a religion of Grace. Grace is just as profound and integral a concept in Eastern religions. Grace can be something we can aim for through following virtue but we must never expect any particular outcome in this life. Mahatmas are known to bestow Grace even when a person doesn't seem to deserve it in a similar way to the example of the Prodigal son. Not having experienced the teachings of a living Master in the Eastern tradition you may not be aware that incarnations of the Divine exist today and that God's grace flows through them like the rain falling on the deserving and the undeserving.
sadly an oversimplification of eastern religion. Of the gamut of eastern traditions the vast majority are theistic and present an intriguing combination of both grace and karma. The catholic insights of grace ( which were 🔥) you shared can be found in many other eastern theistic traditions. I see that eastern religion is simplified much too often, made to seem almost barbaric and less sophisticated as they are. ;/
Punishment is the wrong word to use when describing karma. There is no one punishing. It is better to think of it as cause and effect.
Who taught him about karma? Do christians/Catholics just talk to other Christians to learn about other religions?
Truely revealation for me, thank you, Praise The Lord Jesus 🙏
There are different views of thinking in the east as to do chanting as per Gita and the Buddha too some different way to chanting to attain moksha or to get better life after your 1st life cycle. There are so many dharma's and doctrines so it's really a broad scale and complex to understand everything. But there is no talk of eternal life by simply accepting a God. You have to continue karmic cycles for 100 lifetimes as such after that you will be in heaven.
Why should I care about grace for someone who has wronged me?
Excellent. Thank you for the clarification
How do you reconcile grace with hell. The concept of eternal torture just doesn’t make sense from a loving God who offers grace. Hell and karma still seem like cruel concepts. I truly don’t get it
Hi Marie, I would guess that hell exists simply because God has graced us with free choice. We can do as we please even if it leads to our destruction.
@@nicksibly526 "I would guess that hell exists simply because God has graced us with free choice. We can do as we please even if it leads to our destruction."
Interesting definition of "grace". Like leaving a blind and deaf person in the midst of a highway and giving them freedom "even if it leads to their destruction." If you intentionally make a person incapable of using that "free choice", you are cruel; if you do that against your will, then you are far from being omnipotent.
@@laapasakuna hell appears to be the state we find ourselves in when we turn our backs on God's grace. It is when we think that power, pleasure money or honours will be our ultimate fulfilment. Hell is a path of our own choosing.
@@nicksibly526 "Hell is a path of our own choosing." If grace is a matter of choosing, it's not so different than karman.
@@laapasakuna Grace is freely given by God. We are free to choose to participate in God's plan for us or we can freely turn away. Karma is something which implies some sort of bean counter god where every misdemeanor must be punished. The God of the Trinity is not a vengeful God. In fact he is a God of infinite mercy.
I would say that rather than being hurled into hell by an angry God people choose hell by their actions and choices.
You might like reading Jordan Peterson. I like his concept of hell even though he is coming from more of a psychological rather than theological angle.
And I should also add that I am not a theologian, I am just arguing a point with the hope of further developing my own understanding of hell.
I hope that helps.
Dear Father Barron, there are several Eastern religious traditions (Pure-Land Buddhism or certain Bhakti Hindu denominations) which place very strong emphasis on the question of Grace. They believe 'Karma' is ultimately only governed or controlled by God. This is identical to the question of "Temporal Punishment" in Catholic Purgatory theology. "Temporal Punishment" and the Purgatory system is a 'Karmic' (Works) System, just as much. Just that, simply, we Catholic don't believe it "trickles-down" or "catapults" our Soul into another Re-Birth Re-Incarnation. This is why Protestants reject the doctrine of Purgatory: They reject any "Good Works" dimension and "Merits" realm or dimension to religion and faith. As such, they are "Grace Absolutists" (Such as Calvinists and all other Protestants in different degrees). They believe Purgatory to be to 'Karmic'. Thus, it is important to understand, that, while as you correctly say that Christianity (and other western-abrahamics) is particularly "Grace-Based" or "Grace-Focused" ... there are 100% dimensions of Catholic and Orthodox Christianity, especially in its Medieval and more Classical sort of "Tridentine Latin" expressions, feelings, and "colors" which, though not ultimately rejecting the Grace-Model of Free-Salvific Blessing and "Electedness", still sees the importance of God is determining and valuating and co-ordinating the distributions of graces, BUT ALSO, merits, fruits and blessings of good works, and thus 'karmic' dimensions of temporal punishments and so on. Temporal Punishment is the 'Karmic' (Works) Element, and Eternal Punishment is the Grace Element. We cannot by-pass God's forgiveness and "*reconciling the world to himself* through Jesus's free grace-blood" without this Grace dimension: that part and element of election-and-forgiveness can only be resolved as a tension THROUGH the element of God's choosing majesty and sovereign dominion. Jesus himself says, any other attempt to "catapult" or push and "prolong" ourselves into this further divine-dimension (heaven) through our own 'karmic' good works alone are as thieves or as those, who, only a few Sundays ago in the previous Gospel, entered the marriage feast WITHOUT a marriage garment. Many, many, many Hindus and Buddhists are right on this issue too! Don't mis-understand or mis-represent them please! Many of them believe that Only God mitigates and guides and rules 'Karma'. They believe that often, if and when God wants, some of these deserving 'Karmas' can be dissolved only at the free and merciful Grace of God in forgiveness. Forgiveness often, for them, also eliminates 'Karmic' degrees and elements because God chooses to do so. In the same way that God, within the Christian frame-work, and fully and faithfully sometimes forgive us with such a powerful wash and tide of detergent in the spin-cycle of his mercy, that we don't even have to "pay back" or "work-back up" those just-tithes for penances towards temporal punishments. No, often enough, through the very merciful friendship and dialogue which God has with us - in that "work" of tendency towards faith and devotion, 'karmas' can be cleared, and our "just-deserts" are washes in or through the simplest Work of Faith. Faith in this sense is actually indeed also a "Work" of the choice towards forgiveness, mercy, and grace. Which is why, ultimately, Calvinism is the only eternally-coherent Protestant formulation: it places Grace as the central defining feature of God's ultimate and extreme surpassing and transcending Majesty and Majestic Sovereign: God is Grace and maybe even heretically for them sometimes, Grace is God. But what I am trying to ultimately make clear here is that, really, this dynamic or dramatic feature of 'karma' and "grace" or "Grace vs. Karma" (Works) is NOT at all only a dynamic between Eastern and Western religion(s)! It is universally a feature of all religious dramas and "dramatics". HOWEVER, there is certainly more pronounced emphasis on Grace in the Western religious traditions and more (General) pronounced emphasis on Karma (Works) in the Eastern religious traditions. But these lines nowadays, more and more, in today's very ecumenical and inter-religious open-dialogue world, are openning up more and more... this old and ancient "East-West" divide is closing up in light of and in facing the fact of global "universalization" of human experience, digital or other-wise. I think and believe that an ultimately good or true religion or religious tradition must have an emphasis or focus on Faith and Grace as central BUT on Karma and Works as "stationary" (it positions and re-positions you faithfully and fully-firmly in the ground of belief and divine-trust!)
I agree with you. I was speaking about general tendencies.
Bishop Robert Barron hello Fr. Barron, thank you for your reply! I hope you understand that my capitalizations were expediencies for emphasis haha. And yes, there is no doubt that you were speaking about the question of general tendencies and from that point-of-view it is very true. I once knew a Catholic traditionalist Tridentine priest Latin (I love all that beautiful traditional symbolism and ritualism, in its more beautiful and more truer sincere truthfulness) who squirmed to think of how protty Amazing Grace is lol so it was not often uaed or sung in our parish lol not sure if I mentioned that already
Facundo L. - Excellent commentary, interesting and accurate. Thank you! What you explain here also happens in Tibetan Buddhism, between Karma (works), and Guru Yoga (faith and devotion on the part of the disciple), and the bestowing of blessings (grace) on the part of the Guru, who is one with the Buddha mind (not specifically the historical Buddha, but the ultimate enlightened mind, the source, the origin), Dharmakaya.
The conflict between supernaturalists who disagree, each having zero verifiable evidence to support their particular predilections, is always a marvel. Supernaturalists have no standard--no accepted set of criteria--to determine whether an assertion, a speculation, an opinion, a conjecture is "true" or even remotely plausible. This is so much in contrast to naturalism, where we have a universally accepted standard of plausibility viz. is the assertion consistent with our best, most robust, broadest, most coherent, falsifiable, and predictive explanations? It's such simple and reliable metric for promoting inquiry. But then, because supernaturalism requires no evidence whatever, what need have you for a metric? LOL.
antyszambruje Dear person, it surprises me quite honestly that a person who seems to have some basic understanding of other religious traditions would say something so horrendous. I will certainly look into those books, since some of those critiques of these other religious traditions are valid, but to then jump to calling them satanic is completely extreme. In eastern traditions, such as pure-land Buddhism or Bhakti movements in Hinduism, it is precisely ONLY in and through this nuanced dialectic and dialoguing discourse of loving devotion between devotte-believer and God that one attains salvation/liberation.
Great video, another wonderful emphasis on the fact that God works through mediums because he wants us to be a deep and active part of His divine life.
Buddhism is not about reward and punishment
"Although our praises add nothing to your greatness, yet our thanksgiving is itself your gift."
God bless you, Bishop Robert Barron, you are a worthy vessel of our Master's grace. Please rest assured of my prayers.
My respects to Bishop Barron for his explanation of The Amazing Grace. But his understanding of Karma is, sorry to say, very poor. Karma isn't just a cycle in which you'll end up and its results will be delayed. Good Karma with absolute purity in heart, mind and soul when you do the work you're doing is rewarded and vice versa for bad karma. And more good Karma you do, you'll be given more goodness and you'll be better off than before. As for the Grace part in Karma-systems: You are forgiven for mistakes you've done unknowingly, you're forgiven if you've repented for the mistakes you've done knowingly and help solve the problems you've created. However, Karma will affect people negatively if they've done bad things. You achieve Moksha (isn't just Grace, but you get to be part of the Supreme Almighty) when you do all the good things. As for Karma and rebirth: The concept of Birth and Re-Birth is quite broad and often misunderstood. Yes, there are some systems which say you'll physically leave the body and then get back in another body where you might do good things and get Moksha and all that. But Birth, Death and Re-Birth is also valid when you've repented and solved the problems you've created and are now a good human being. Essentially, you always have the freedom to decide your Karma and get quick pass to Moksha.
What I've explain above is only a broad understanding of Karma philosophy. There is much more to it. But I can say that Karma also leads one to Supreme Almighty, as someone who's experienced it first hand.
My family have different members from different school of thoughts. Father is Christian, mother is Hindu and two aunts are Buddhist and Sikh. In terms of grace and karma I would like to share something here.
Basically Hinduism is karma centric religion. Yet in Bhagwat Gita (Song of Almighty) Krishna tells Arjuna that it was only grace and grace only that he is helping him win war. Many were righteous and many followed karma point by point, yet it was God's grace that saved the day.
In my opinion, theology is often surrounded by laws of the world. But be it holy Spirit or in East atman ( which translate to spirit) is the core of enlightenment of humanity.
So in my opinion, Lord and Lord alone grants Grace and judge us according to acts/karma.
Right
Eastern religions have grace as well as karma.
Yeah, but not nearly as prominently as in the Biblical religions.
Oh, it does often have to be made a competition sometimes. Then you get Essenes vs Pharisees...
Yes you have perform many auspicious act to clear bad karma...
@@BishopBarron we have grace in Hinduism too father even in Christianity and Islam Judaism the Abrahamic religions there are consequences for your actions or sins that's what Karma is it's a natural order of the universe. That's no right or wrong or inherently evil thing about Karma. But there is forgiveness in Hinduism or non Abrahamic religions. But you have to work at fixing your self even if you are trying to make amends for your past sins or bad Karma. It's never automatically washed away.
Aaron Chand True enough. I’m not proposing a sharp either-or. But there are clearly differences in emphasis.
"Karma" and "grace" are not mutually exclusive and nor can they be. As correctly pointed out, "karma" is really cause and effect, and this is precisely what Paul is talking about when he speaks of "the law of sin and death" and contrasts it with the grace that comes through Christ. The Old Covenant law was a law of cause and effect by definition. That is precisely what the grace of Christ was given to free the Jews from. Yet "grace" in this video seems to be understood as some kind of free pass. It is not. It is merely an unmerited gift-an opportunity for salvation. This is why it's possible to fall from grace.
I never argued that grace is a "free pass!" And I agree with you that karma and grace are not mutually exclusive. Nevertheless, they are different and grace has priority over karma in the Christian dispensation.
Doesn't disprove reincarnation either, as Origen might argue.
I think grace and karma properly presuppose different cosmic structures. Grace assumes that there is a personal God who intentionally wills the good of creation and acts to join (rational) natures to his own nature-- something that no natural creature can receive, no matter how enlightened, without God's direct action. The Old Covenant cites instances that seem like "moral cause and effect" but it is more complicated than that-- cf. the Book of Job, for example. Grace in the Christian tradition comes entirely from the initiative of God and is essentially relational- that's the big kicker I think. The good thing about the karmic system from my point of view is that it acknowledges the reality of a moral law, but it skews the role of salvation and final judgment.
Karma is not of the same type as Grace - it is like comparing orange to orange, but comparing orange to pear...
Karma is not simply "fate" ... as matters outside one's control, etc.
As the literature indicated, Karma is "action, work, or deed" or the effects thereof. It is principle of cause and effect, principle of "... God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows." (Galatians 6: 7) ...
It is the principle of justice...
Whilst there is Justice of God (Divine Justice), there is also the Mercy or Love of God, from whence Grace sprung...
... I suggest before we pass judgement on things from very different & 'foreign' cultural traditions / historical environments, we should be very careful, and not just repeats previous careless conceptions; we should not consider on piecemeal basis ... & ultimately, no forms are absolute, all are contingent, but does not mean they may not be effective...
I think a lot of people are confused by God's decision to save so many "wretches" and damn so many people whose only fault is failing to be convinced of his existence.
God desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. All humankind. The salvific event of the crucifixion was for all and does not discriminate. God does not damn people for not believing in Him. Damnation is the choice that some humans make to distance themselves from the God who loves them and desperately want them to be with him. We never assume who is or who is not saved or damned. This is only for God to decide, and in His infinite mercy, we pray that all will join him in the beatific vision.
Hey David! Kindly supply the verifiable evidence for your many assertions? Thanks!
Some ontological concepts travel easier than others, viz culture, parable.
Being backed into a corner and making hoops and hurdles might be awkward.
The always amazing Mons Barron, however in the Gospel Jesus says ""Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you-and even more." Mark 4:24, therefore your actions are important.
One of the best videos from Bishop Barron.
This response seems too simple and/or selective, Father. I say this with much respect but with transparency. As you know, Jesus too spoke of one reaping what one sews. Can we be sure, furthermore, that other cosmologies preclude altogether grace-like adjustments (that is, to what one otherwise deserves)? Lastly - a kind of one-to-one correspondence, between action and 'deserts,' sometimes seems to be upheld in a fairly straightforward way, in passages like Matthew 25.
It's a natural tendency to want reparation for injury and offense, but I also understand that as we all as sinners deserve death and hell if not by the blood of Jesus. However, it's still biblical quotes like deuteronomy 32:35 that I become confused by, regarding an intelligent life form (God) who wields a "karmic" sort of justice, as he promises recompense. I think there are quite a lot of biblical verses that denote the same tune too (ex. Abel's blood crying out to God or Proverbs 26:27). Ultimately, everybody will be judged accordingly to their good works (James 2:14-17) but it still leaves me to believe that we as Christians can still believe and hope in God's grace and recompense for injury, perhaps one leading the other as a way of salvation ultimately.
Hi Pinky: Could you kindly supply the VERIFIABLE evidence for your many unsubstantiated assertions? Thanks very much!
And all 'humans' also, by default... apparently...
The financial exchange rate may help with the metaphor here. Or perhaps...
I came across an interesting viewpoint on the channel OffTheLeftEye, based on the work of the mystic scholar Emmanuel Swedenborg:
"First, consider what a complex project it is to maintain human freewill while preventing total annihilation from bad choices. Second, consider that all people ever created are connected in the same giant network. Swedenborg learned that all the inhabitants of the spiritual realm and the earthly realm are connected like cells in a body. So if some cells choose destructive behavior, that will eventually start to cause an infection that has an effect on the whole body.
God had to work carefully to provide healing that still honored freewill, and yet protected the body from destruction by infection. Also, good people on earth are always unknowingly intertwined with hellish influence, and to simply wipe that away would rip peoples' spirits apart and harm them. So again, it all has to be done very carefully, and precise timing is crucial. The infection has to reach a certain point at which action will be the most effective and without doing harm to the healthy tissue by having the treatment be too sudden. As far as God changing: the essence of God never changes. But God is Light and Love itself, and when humanity created dark and cold states of existence through selfish and worldly choices, God had to put on a new covering in order to descend into that darkness to help us. The sun itself couldn't come down to earth and help (it would burn us up!). That "covering" was Jesus, a way God could help us without annihilating us with the full, unfiltered force of the Divine."
I would really love to hear Bishop Barron's take on the fate of peoples who God's grace distributed through Israel did not reach and had no chance to reach. What about, say, Native American peoples that were cut off from God's grace for hundreds and thousands of years? Did God's grace not work among them?
That was beautiful Father!
I don’t think there is any difference between two categories. There is a concept of prayer in Eastern religions and therefore they r also religions of grace. And there is concept of Sin in Abrahamic religions. Also, there is a concept that Christ sacrificed himself to undo sins of people , therefore there is concept of Karma in Abrahamic religions. All methods are created to make man’s heart pure, tender. All methods r an effort to do that. Both Karma and Grace r capable of doing that. Choose what u think works for u!
Interesting.
Yes i'm not karma just Grace. No body conviced me of false things. So i know the one Who i love and all thanks for God!😇😇😇👼🔥☄️
I'm very disappointed to see that he doesn't get karma. Cast your bread upon the water and you will find it after many days. This is karma.
The Divine not merited by anyone of humankind (including the Blessed Virgin Mary) certainly astounds those who receive it. But I do think there are elements of reaping what we sow or have sown in God's justice even after receiving Grace. We are responsible to not only be sorry for our sins, but as best as possible in one's circumstance to reconcile the *effects* of each of our sins. Many times this can only be done Spiritually, but none the less it is done. I do truly think that one's own pain, like the prodigal son, is part of this. But I'm certain that for the rest of his life, as cheerful giving as possible out of living The Covenant with God with all of his heart, soul, and resourcefulness (loving God) and his family and neighbors as himself --- it helped by Grace make restitution for the already forgiven wrongs.
I do understand that this is not exactly that which you were referring, but this element is often missed in Christendom. It is one of the reasons some of those practicing the religion that Jesus Christ Himself practiced (like the Days of Awe, 10 days for The Ten Commandments to be reconciled with God and neighbor - very solemnly with a firm purpose of amendment) have difficulty accepting our religion. Don't we need to convey this to one another and the world more than we do?
Interesting statements, but very simplified presentation of Carmaic religions. You can gain insight or enlightenment, which can also be described as grace, because when gained the Ego and it's motives is dissolved or weakened. Compassion for your self and others are born.
Thank you, God, for raising up chosen ones to be a conduit of grace fir the rest of us. Thank you for giving Bishop Barron Your Holy Spirit, to be a conduit of love, wisdom, humility, & grace for the rest of us. I bless You, Lord Jesus, for Bishop Barron on his birthday.
Bravo, father Barron. Christ nailed my karma to His cross. He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Praise God for you! I am wondering if everyone gets grace? but to those who don't believe, we the church are given the chance to witness & evangelize with our testimony & must be compassionate to those who don't know Abbah...so that we who have had our faith activated by the Lord, with His love, in His timing, can love our neighbor as ourself so they too will feel, see & hear Jesus, through us as God blesses us with His timing & opportunities ! We are blessed to be a blessing!
THANK YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF OUR FAITH,OUR CREED. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL YOUR WORK ON WORD ON FIRE,SPECIALLY THE CATHOLICISM SERIES,MAINLY EPISODE 6 AND 7.....I WAS TOTALLY CAPTURED REALIZING THAT 71 AND A PROFOUND BELIEVER I YET HAVE SO MUCH TO GRASP......AND YOU ARE INSTRUMENTAL IN THAT PROCESS.THANK YOU AGAIN.MAY GOD CONTINUE TO INSPIRE YOU AS YOU HAVE INSPIRED ME
Question to the video editor: Are you editing in Final Cut Pro X? If so I think I might know what's causing the flashes of black to occur at the very beginning and end of the images in the video. If you are making the images compound clips after keyframing the movement and then applying the cross dissolves to the compound clips, it will cause this phenomenon to happen. My recommendation would be (if you even want this phenomenon to go away) to stretch each image longer in the timeline than you need it, then apply your keyframes to the beginning and end, then drag the edges in to the desired length you want the image to last, and then applying your transitions.
THANKS YOU ARE LUCKY TO HAVE AND TRANSMIT GRACE.GOD BLESSINGS
These videos have clarified so many terms - like grace - that were always elusive & unsatisfactorily explained. So grateful for this channel.
Thank you!
Although late but this is what I needed to hear... Thankyou Bishop Barron