PiKVM setup can do that since you can power a Raspberry Pi with PoE. That's how I power mine. It's attached to the back of a server and I use it once in a blue moon. It would be a waste to keep it powered 24/7. Now I can remotely enable PoE on the switch, PiKVM turns on and I can do my thing.
There's an open feature request for this, it might be in a future version; you can power it with a USB-C splitter cable or wisdPi is making a board that powers JetKVM over the expansion port.
Awesome video Cameron! - Just so you know, your unit does have the 16GB eMMC chip, just the image it was flashed with at the factory has the userdata partition formatted to the 6gb-ish size as the previous models have the 8GB chip, and it was upgraded in October. If you reflash your device using the "Factory Reset" guide on the website you'll get the larger partition, and be given more space for images :) The KS pledge & retail units will, of course, be flashed with the newer image before being shipped.
I see the appeal but am i the only one that thinks they could've fit full side hdmi if the top was not smaller than the front? and just bit more square
I got this a couple months ago and I just can’t wait to get it. I know there should be shipping soon. I was really hoping to receive it on Christmas break so I had of time to play with it but either way i’m excited to get it whenever it arrives. I’ve been holding off on a couple of projects where it would’ve required me to take my monitor, keyboard, and mouse into my utility closet to do some upgrades so I’ve just been putting them off waiting until this device comes in. Nice demo also this has been the most comprehensive one that I’ve seen. Thanks.
Superb video, Thanks. I have 3 of these on order from the kickstarter. Looking promising, currently using PiKVM with a 4 port KVM switch so needed a few more for other projects so thought I would try the JetKVM out. This device looks way simpler and your video was an excellent overview of the state of play today. Appreciated.
I assume in the future someone will make a switcher adapter which will just allow you to use a KVM switcher and an addon will send IR commands to swap the ports so you can get multiple computers out of one kvm switch
The current problem with KVM switches and this type of KVM switch are the fact is emulates the KB/Mouse on the same USB port, that confuses things, this is currently a problem with the JetKVM and L1Techs KVM switch, but it should be fixable in a software update. As for other styles of KVM Switch, it'd be fairly easy to make an extension board that can be signalled over the UART extension port to control the switch, just needs more testing with various models of switch.
This video couldnt have come at a much better time lol just yesterday i had to drag my server upstairs to attach a monitor to adjust some bios settings - i will definitely be trying to get my hands on one of these kvms :D
absolute mouse is like a touchscreen where the mouse can just instantly appear anywhere on the screen and relative mouse is like the mouse connected to your pc where it sends the change from the previous position.
I would have bought one of these if I hadn't recently purchased a NanoKVM off the back of an LTT video a few months ago. I've had that for a while now and it's working flawlessly. It has a full HDMI port and can connect easily to motherboard ATX control pins. I paid less than $69 landed in the UK for it too from Aliexpress. Admittedly the case doesn't seem as nice as this, and I don't fully trust the software on it, but it's fine for me being on a locked down VLAN.
Great Video, Issue with the HDMI to VGA adapter, With usb connected it would not let HP server Gen 9 boot to bios. Just hangs at bios check. I switched to externally powered adapter.
I jumped on the kickstarter a while back. Hope I get mine next month as they should start shipping soon. For the cost, this is just a cool device. Hoping I can add a 4 port KVM to it.
Such a neat little device can't wait until my unit arrives. Going to use it on my 2019 Mac Pro that I use as a server without IPMI. Wish it had alt-mode USBC Display port input and a internal ATX power supply cable with a expansion cable passthrough PCI bracket so you don't have wires just hanging outside the PC for power and reset. I wonder is audio over HDMI will be added in the future.
I like it and most likely will buy one to play around with. But a few things I would love to see in the next version are, POE powered and/or an extra USB port for powering it so you don't have to use a splitter, and a HDMI passthru port.
Since it is just Linux underneath I wonder if you can install Tailscale (or some other Wireguard mesh software) on there and access it through that. No cloud needed.
Funny how everyone thinks it's aluminium 😁 They clarified in one of the Kickstarter updates it's casted zinc alloy with additional gunmetal finish on top.
What's the benefit over remoting in (apart from being able to access the BIOS), how many times are you going to remotely install an OS? I'll probably get one because it will look cool on my rack, but I don't see a huge amount of practical usage.
I've kinda half thought same thing. Anyone considering a homelab can get 'good' second hand servers will full RMMs already (you still have to be careful Dell IDrac enterprise is usually 'part' of the package and the perpetual nature allows you to 'make use of it' compared to others like HP iLo that is a bit more fickle). This said, I have experience of enterprise machines with limited RMMs. Also a lot of machines have RMMs that are woefully insecure with no update opportunity, so this is more useful if you are security conscious, let alone for things with no RMM (again I have experience of even fairly 'modern' enterprise equipment - 2019 vintage ' with Java based iKVM consoles which makes me cringe - although critically needed). So I do think it's a niche product for sure, but even in enterprise it has use (although it really does need to follow through with opensource, and even audit of the hardware before I would consider it in such environments). People using commodity hardware for a server would definitely benefit, but given costs between that and a 2nd hand dell are marginal
I have a workstation I use both in person and remotely, and issues can arise when it becomes unreachable remotely. I may want to see what it's doing and diagnose any issues I find if I can't connect to it, I may want to change the order in a dual-boot setup (e.g. load GRUB (for Debian) instead of Windows Boot Manager), or I may want to turn the PC on remotely if it doesn't respond to a Wake-on-LAN command.
Plenty of people want the ability to manage a remote machine at the BIOS level and don't have IPMI. There are also instances where a computer simply doesn't have the option to use something like RDP or it's a hassle to get it set up. Things like this or the PiKVM may have no purpose for you but there is a market for them.
@@playingwithdata Yeah I'm not denying there aren't any use cases, I just don't think it's necessary for the vast majority of homelabbers...outside of that you have enterprise with IPMI, so where is the market for this product? I hope it succeeds, and I will probably buy one, but the geek market like us won't sustain it.
I have a minisforum ms-01 and sadly they don’t support auto power on when power is received, they don’t support power state restore on loss of power, or wake on lan with it. They might have updated the bios but it is currently packed away for my move. I bought it thinking it could be a nice little pc to run opnsense but nope, when I lost power the internet went out and would not turn on till I turn the pc back on, it was a sad day when I found that out.
Hi there Cameron, I’m really enjoying your videos, they’re really in-depth which is great for someone like me, who is trying to learn as much as possible about IT / Data / Networking etc…. What model is that Asus server? I’m looking for a cost effective server that I can buy and play around with so that I can learn how they work, while also trying out the various softwares that are available.
I just backed this on kickstarter the other day and was really happy to see you reviewing it. I really liked your deep dive review into the Brother labeler a few months back and am looking forward to this video already.
Now you can access your Acorn A5000 RISC OS desktop over the network...almost...that lack of USB could be an issue so I guess that means you should connect it to a USB modded Amiga instead 😊
This would also be really great for provisioning PCs/laptops as well. Someone brings in a system that needs to be imaged, no need to set up a separate station as you could have a script that takes care of restoring the image.
So over the serial port could someone make a larger storage hookup ability for isos? I have a 256GB usb with isos and tools for well most anything IT needed
For gameplay, it would _work_ but there'd definately be latency. For games you're much better off running software inside the VM itsself such as Parsec or Sunshine
Assuming you can use the WOL feature to turn on the connected computer from an S5 power state (if motherboard permits), what method could be used to power off or reboot the computer from a S0-3 state?
If it's running, you can probably turn it off from the KVM, no? Regardless, the ATX extension board would let you trigger the reset pin, or press the power button.
whilst it looks like a good product, i wonder what the point of the screen is other than to give it a USP. most people will have these stuck in a rack somewhere so will be unlikely to ever see the screen let alone need to control it via the touch screen. I'd image most of the cost of the product is the screen. remove the screen and make it cheaper and it would probably sell more, but without the screen it's just another IP KVM in the market.
For a situation where you're setting it up and never touching it again, I agree the screen isn't hugely necessary. But for me, I can see myself using this on more of an ad-hoc basis where I'd be moving it around to differnet machines/networks where I need temporary remote KVM access. In that situation, a screen to display the IP address will be useful, and even moreso when it'll let me configure static IP address settings from the screen itself. Especially for environments without DHCP, it'll be a massive timesaver over needing to change my laptop to the same subnet as the KVM console, log in to the console, change the IP address settings and then log back out again and switch my laptop back to the correct IP address settings.
@@camerongray1515 yes as a mobile device it makes sense, but i wonder who the target market is and i wonder if mobile users are that marker, that makes me wonder if the screen is just there for the USP. there's cretainly a lot of youtubers doing their own review of this product. i think you've been the only one to mention the benefit of using it as a mobile device - but that might be more to do with those youtubers not actually being in the tech industry.
Might be kind of a neat feature if that thing had the option of powering itself over POE.
PiKVM setup can do that since you can power a Raspberry Pi with PoE. That's how I power mine. It's attached to the back of a server and I use it once in a blue moon. It would be a waste to keep it powered 24/7. Now I can remotely enable PoE on the switch, PiKVM turns on and I can do my thing.
There's an open feature request for this, it might be in a future version; you can power it with a USB-C splitter cable or wisdPi is making a board that powers JetKVM over the expansion port.
WisdPi is working on a PoE adapter for it, looks pretty slick!
I would like it integrated into a "pro" version though.
The lack of PoE makes it a non-starter for me. Totally surprising that this type of device didn't have it included in the design from the beginning.
@@ub4hn00b just get a poe breakout adapter? they're like $10?
Awesome video Cameron! - Just so you know, your unit does have the 16GB eMMC chip, just the image it was flashed with at the factory has the userdata partition formatted to the 6gb-ish size as the previous models have the 8GB chip, and it was upgraded in October.
If you reflash your device using the "Factory Reset" guide on the website you'll get the larger partition, and be given more space for images :)
The KS pledge & retail units will, of course, be flashed with the newer image before being shipped.
Backed this project and waiting for mine to arrive 😊
I see the appeal but am i the only one that thinks they could've fit full side hdmi if the top was not smaller than the front? and just bit more square
Neat device, looks well made. A magnetic mount on the bottom would be handy.
I got this a couple months ago and I just can’t wait to get it. I know there should be shipping soon. I was really hoping to receive it on Christmas break so I had of time to play with it but either way i’m excited to get it whenever it arrives. I’ve been holding off on a couple of projects where it would’ve required me to take my monitor, keyboard, and mouse into my utility closet to do some upgrades so I’ve just been putting them off waiting until this device comes in. Nice demo also this has been the most comprehensive one that I’ve seen. Thanks.
Superb video, Thanks. I have 3 of these on order from the kickstarter. Looking promising, currently using PiKVM with a 4 port KVM switch so needed a few more for other projects so thought I would try the JetKVM out. This device looks way simpler and your video was an excellent overview of the state of play today. Appreciated.
for small devices like this I use things like old mismatched socks or microfiber glasses cases as a sorta soft case for em
Hopefully this can act as a dhcp server so you dont need to tap into an existing network that might have restrictions.
I assume in the future someone will make a switcher adapter which will just allow you to use a KVM switcher and an addon will send IR commands to swap the ports so you can get multiple computers out of one kvm switch
The current problem with KVM switches and this type of KVM switch are the fact is emulates the KB/Mouse on the same USB port, that confuses things, this is currently a problem with the JetKVM and L1Techs KVM switch, but it should be fixable in a software update.
As for other styles of KVM Switch, it'd be fairly easy to make an extension board that can be signalled over the UART extension port to control the switch, just needs more testing with various models of switch.
This video couldnt have come at a much better time lol just yesterday i had to drag my server upstairs to attach a monitor to adjust some bios settings - i will definitely be trying to get my hands on one of these kvms :D
absolute mouse is like a touchscreen where the mouse can just instantly appear anywhere on the screen and relative mouse is like the mouse connected to your pc where it sends the change from the previous position.
I would have bought one of these if I hadn't recently purchased a NanoKVM off the back of an LTT video a few months ago. I've had that for a while now and it's working flawlessly. It has a full HDMI port and can connect easily to motherboard ATX control pins. I paid less than $69 landed in the UK for it too from Aliexpress. Admittedly the case doesn't seem as nice as this, and I don't fully trust the software on it, but it's fine for me being on a locked down VLAN.
Great Video, Issue with the HDMI to VGA adapter, With usb connected it would not let HP server Gen 9 boot to bios. Just hangs at bios check. I switched to externally powered adapter.
uhm, you've heard of ILO right ?
I jumped on the kickstarter a while back. Hope I get mine next month as they should start shipping soon. For the cost, this is just a cool device. Hoping I can add a 4 port KVM to it.
Such a neat little device can't wait until my unit arrives. Going to use it on my 2019 Mac Pro that I use as a server without IPMI. Wish it had alt-mode USBC Display port input and a internal ATX power supply cable with a expansion cable passthrough PCI bracket so you don't have wires just hanging outside the PC for power and reset. I wonder is audio over HDMI will be added in the future.
I like it and most likely will buy one to play around with. But a few things I would love to see in the next version are, POE powered and/or an extra USB port for powering it so you don't have to use a splitter, and a HDMI passthru port.
I ordered one after about 10 minutes of this video!
Still waiting for my Openterface KVM.
I ordered both. Different use cases. Both very useful.
Since it is just Linux underneath I wonder if you can install Tailscale (or some other Wireguard mesh software) on there and access it through that. No cloud needed.
Great review glad I backed this hope to get mine in new year. Thanks
Would be nice to have inputs for 4 or 8 machines. Maybe in the next one. Otherwise great for home users.
Funny how everyone thinks it's aluminium 😁 They clarified in one of the Kickstarter updates it's casted zinc alloy with additional gunmetal finish on top.
What's the benefit over remoting in (apart from being able to access the BIOS), how many times are you going to remotely install an OS? I'll probably get one because it will look cool on my rack, but I don't see a huge amount of practical usage.
I've kinda half thought same thing. Anyone considering a homelab can get 'good' second hand servers will full RMMs already (you still have to be careful Dell IDrac enterprise is usually 'part' of the package and the perpetual nature allows you to 'make use of it' compared to others like HP iLo that is a bit more fickle).
This said, I have experience of enterprise machines with limited RMMs. Also a lot of machines have RMMs that are woefully insecure with no update opportunity, so this is more useful if you are security conscious, let alone for things with no RMM (again I have experience of even fairly 'modern' enterprise equipment - 2019 vintage ' with Java based iKVM consoles which makes me cringe - although critically needed).
So I do think it's a niche product for sure, but even in enterprise it has use (although it really does need to follow through with opensource, and even audit of the hardware before I would consider it in such environments).
People using commodity hardware for a server would definitely benefit, but given costs between that and a 2nd hand dell are marginal
I have a workstation I use both in person and remotely, and issues can arise when it becomes unreachable remotely. I may want to see what it's doing and diagnose any issues I find if I can't connect to it, I may want to change the order in a dual-boot setup (e.g. load GRUB (for Debian) instead of Windows Boot Manager), or I may want to turn the PC on remotely if it doesn't respond to a Wake-on-LAN command.
Plenty of people want the ability to manage a remote machine at the BIOS level and don't have IPMI. There are also instances where a computer simply doesn't have the option to use something like RDP or it's a hassle to get it set up. Things like this or the PiKVM may have no purpose for you but there is a market for them.
@@playingwithdata Yeah I'm not denying there aren't any use cases, I just don't think it's necessary for the vast majority of homelabbers...outside of that you have enterprise with IPMI, so where is the market for this product? I hope it succeeds, and I will probably buy one, but the geek market like us won't sustain it.
Why a server? What about for a Raspberry pi?
I have a minisforum ms-01 and sadly they don’t support auto power on when power is received, they don’t support power state restore on loss of power, or wake on lan with it. They might have updated the bios but it is currently packed away for my move. I bought it thinking it could be a nice little pc to run opnsense but nope, when I lost power the internet went out and would not turn on till I turn the pc back on, it was a sad day when I found that out.
excited to get mine.
Very cool. Just ordered with all add-ons. Not sure how it will be used but it seems interesting.
Same here backed this and just waiting for mine :-) will use for my homeserver
Hi there Cameron,
I’m really enjoying your videos, they’re really in-depth which is great for someone like me, who is trying to learn as much as possible about IT / Data / Networking etc….
What model is that Asus server? I’m looking for a cost effective server that I can buy and play around with so that I can learn how they work, while also trying out the various softwares that are available.
Hi Cameron, what patch cables do you use? The red one in this vid specifically. Thanks.
Awesome video sir !!
I just backed this on kickstarter the other day and was really happy to see you reviewing it. I really liked your deep dive review into the Brother labeler a few months back and am looking forward to this video already.
Now you can access your Acorn A5000 RISC OS desktop over the network...almost...that lack of USB could be an issue so I guess that means you should connect it to a USB modded Amiga instead 😊
can you share a link to the hdmi/vga adapter, please? thanks
This would also be really great for provisioning PCs/laptops as well. Someone brings in a system that needs to be imaged, no need to set up a separate station as you could have a script that takes care of restoring the image.
Also I love how you said upload a couple of isos, sadly not a windows one, those are getting too big.
So over the serial port could someone make a larger storage hookup ability for isos? I have a 256GB usb with isos and tools for well most anything IT needed
It's just a UART serial port so wouldn't be high enough bandwidth for that unfortunately
Great review, thank you for the review. I have a Proxmox mini pc that runs a retro gaming VM. Would this work for allowing game play remotely?
For gameplay, it would _work_ but there'd definately be latency. For games you're much better off running software inside the VM itsself such as Parsec or Sunshine
Assuming you can use the WOL feature to turn on the connected computer from an S5 power state (if motherboard permits), what method could be used to power off or reboot the computer from a S0-3 state?
If it's running, you can probably turn it off from the KVM, no?
Regardless, the ATX extension board would let you trigger the reset pin, or press the power button.
What competitors are there to this other than PiKVM?
NanoKVM
Thank you sharing, I want 1
whilst it looks like a good product, i wonder what the point of the screen is other than to give it a USP.
most people will have these stuck in a rack somewhere so will be unlikely to ever see the screen let alone need to control it via the touch screen.
I'd image most of the cost of the product is the screen.
remove the screen and make it cheaper and it would probably sell more, but without the screen it's just another IP KVM in the market.
For a situation where you're setting it up and never touching it again, I agree the screen isn't hugely necessary. But for me, I can see myself using this on more of an ad-hoc basis where I'd be moving it around to differnet machines/networks where I need temporary remote KVM access. In that situation, a screen to display the IP address will be useful, and even moreso when it'll let me configure static IP address settings from the screen itself. Especially for environments without DHCP, it'll be a massive timesaver over needing to change my laptop to the same subnet as the KVM console, log in to the console, change the IP address settings and then log back out again and switch my laptop back to the correct IP address settings.
@@camerongray1515 yes as a mobile device it makes sense, but i wonder who the target market is and i wonder if mobile users are that marker, that makes me wonder if the screen is just there for the USP.
there's cretainly a lot of youtubers doing their own review of this product. i think you've been the only one to mention the benefit of using it as a mobile device - but that might be more to do with those youtubers not actually being in the tech industry.
If firmware not opensource or audited it cannot be trusted!
These things are over hyped. The nanokvm is far better and only £20
And opensourced.
Where can you get it for 20?!
put there normal ethernet and not put normal hdmi...shame..
Yankers currency ?