Dirthaman has always been one of my absolute favorites of the elven gods. I always found him so interesting and fascinating. I absolutely loved his shrine because it had so many horror elements and horror is one of my favorite genres. I have always theorized that Dirthaman and Faladin ( I hope I his spelled his name right) were the same person. You did use the word telepathy in the right contacts. Telepathy allowing someone to either read or see into someone's mind and sometimes their emotions. I could definitely see if Dirthamen had these abilities, he could transfer thoughts into his priests minds. In some small way he reminds me of the dark goddess Shar from Baldur's Gate 3. Outstanding work as always. Now you have me wanting to play Dragon Age Inquisition again. 😁🙏💚
Thank you so much ❤️🥰 Playing DAI is one of a few pleasures we have before DAV lands haha. Shar, memories and mirrors, huh? You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Dirthamen did something like that too! He's such a cool character...I hope we'll learn more about him
@ImpGoose You're absolutely welcome, Goose. I 100% agree with you about playing DAI. 😅 I hope we do learn more about Dirthaman in DATV (or DAV) and all the elven gods. 😁🙏❤️
Another great and interesting video, thank you! I like a lot of the ideas and theories you put forth and I really love how your videos have a way of putting together pieces that can be easily missed if you don't cobble the lore together and pay exacting attention. For example: While I had all the codex pieces from this temple, I never realized that it made the distinctive choice to allow you to understand the text fully, as opposed to fragments like ToM and Trespasser. Nice! There are a couple of counterpoints I want to make: Mentor: I actually took the reference of 'mentor' in the combined codices to refer to the High Priest and not Dirthamen. Like: "Oh, we'll keep the ways as you taught us and make sure you yourself can never betray it either. " Spicy Math: Another interpretation of the discrepancy in math between the known number of Evanuris and the 'discs' portrayed is that Mythal was never imprisoned because she'd already been betrayed and killed by then. Your theory about Falon'din and Dirthamen is still a sound one and I believe they certainly had a codependent relationship that was probably unhealthy. But so far as being the same person: The math doesn't precisely indicate that, not when you remember Mythal was never imprisoned. Just my own two cents to toss in! Thanks again for the video ^.^
Thank you so much for your kind words ❤️✨ I completely forgot about Mythal and that she is not in prison. This video was so close to brilliance hahaha I appreciate you pointing it out and explaining to me your vision! Hopefully we'll learn the truth in DAV 😜
@@ImpGoose Yes! I am less concerned about any one theory being right and more with ANSWERS. LOL Expected ones, shocking ones, just, please, BW give us some legitimate answers!
I really like the idea of Dirthamen's priesthood being used as a sort of psychic archive. It would make them a tradition of ascetic monasticism with vows of silence and isolation while they study and learn apart from the world so he could tap into their understanding and secret knowledge. He could also run his dominion as an Orwellian police state using paranoia of surveillance and espionage to control the populace and combat rivals. I will say that with whatever the connection is between Dirthamen and Falon'din (the most interesting gods of the Evanuris) they are separate enough to be distinct independent entities. I would guess that maybe they were probably just really close allies; Falon'din some sort of cult of personality warlord and Dirthamen the operates from the shadows type and they grew, during the old war with the titans, so deeply entwined to be considered parts of each other. Solas also implies that all the Evanuris conspired to end Mythal together, so Dirthamen would have been an active agent in her death. Assuming Solas is honest in that story. Warning her would've been counterproductive.
Great points, my friend. I really like the idea of Dirthamen being a spymaster. Thanks for sharing them! Hopefully, we'll learn more about them soon :)
I love this theory! It also fits with duality of other Evanuris we know and general perseption of them as first spirits. Like Mythal is Justice/Vengeance, Solas is Pride/Wisdom, ect. Dirthamen and Falon'Din could be Compation/Envy, like Cole, who can read minds and make people forget or recall stuff. Could explain part about one's vanity and obsession with body parts and others quiet mind fuckery. I mean, even in their "good" state spirits can be very creepy.
Yay! I think Cole is the most charming companion. At least I loved his strange pearls of creepy wisdom or observations. Your theory about Dirthamen and Falon'Din being something similar to compassion is intriguing 👀
@@ImpGoose I know, right? Cole is adorable little baby with his Asperger's coding and goofy little errands, but even he ocassionaly said and did some creepy shit, giving folk existential crisis or murdering people like a serial killer with gentile kink. And he's just uncorrupted reflection of !human! compation. Can you imagine what compation looks like to eldritch horror like Titan? This thing is alien as hell with literal Abyss in it's guts and colonies of sentient people living inside it! If his race dreamed Evanuras to existence, it would explain why they are so extra from every angle 😅
I agree with you on the split personality thing. If it isn't that then it was just an act on his part, and when people stopped caring about his 'darkself' then he got angry. He started staying in the personality. Well that's what I'm thinking anyway.
I have to say that 7 is without Fen and Mythal, cause obviously Mythal is smth "dead" and can't be sealed beneath the Veil in punishment for her killing...also I found the idea of "twin gods" for different "realms" too interesting to be cut off so easy... but maybe I am wrong ofc😊 I love Yung and his archetype idea indeed
@@ImpGoose but I am(well physicist but no matter), always ready to help😅 great video regardlessly , as always Edit: also the Owl in shattered library holds an foci orb inside a golden circle common for other elvhen structures and pictures, and because elvhen statues are simplified or even primitivistic and made of one stone piece, perhaps it is just easier to avoid complex forms
I think the idea of using his priests as flashdrives works. Heck, we saw Mythal/Flemmeth do something on a small scale to preserve herself with Hawke. And she does not know everything. So putting information in his priests, and you never know which priest has which secret? Makes perfect sense to me. I don't know about the Fallin'din vs. Dirthamon personality split. I won't say you're definitely wrong. I can just think of other reasons (such as his memories are in his priests, and the owl brings a mirror, but it's used for scrying, also does he know everything before it happens? In which case he'd be the most powerful of the Gods, as he could make anything happen just by stepping on the wrong butterfly.) What I wonder, watching this now, is if he's the Maker. There's also the problem that we probably don't know all the elvan gods. There could be many more. We only know the really popular ones. It's like knowing Zeus and Hades and Athena, but not knowing about Eris and Eros and so on.
Actually reminds me allot of the characters we've met that have been possessed. Itd easily explain the split personality, very like Anders/Justice. The mural around the fade that depicts all the elves is more odd to me when it comes to Mythal, theres one symbol that could def be hers, but if her being killed was the catalyst for the gods becoming trapped, then those half circles wouldnt have a reason to depect her. Assuming they are showing the ones trapped/killed/released.
Yeah, these are interesting thoughts to consider. One person left a comment that Dirthamen and Falon'Din could be compassion and envy. It will be cool if one of the Evanuris appears to be a spirit of some sort. We really need to know more about the golden symbols. It would clarify so many theories!
Dirthamen is Varys from Game of Thrones in a way. In Got Varys has several personas, and aliases an looks, a skilled actor manipulating everything behind the scenes. He is Falondin(spelling) but is his secret persona. He has an army of spies that work for him, they collect the secrets. He couldn't openly reveal it was him collecting spirits so her created a ew persona. A secret adversary who recruited spies. An adversary and an ally always in the shadows, always listening. He meant to wage war on the other elves and was beaten.
I suggested a spirit/mage relationship between these two in r/dragonage years ago, but I didn't get people to make the connection that they were almost certainly the same individual, and each of these two elven "gods" was actually just an aspect of one single person. In my mind the spirit/mage thing started to make sense after playing Jaws of Hakkon, where we meet the Avvar mages and learn how they accept and even encourage a connection with a spirit so it can guide them as they learn to control their powers. Some even live with the spirit for most of their lives. Even the Seekers do this, somehow, with their spirit of Faith, which allows them powers which are actually too close to magic to be a coincidence. But there is a strong possibility this is a dissociative identity disorder thing. I just discovered your channel, I'm going through the DA videos as I write this, and I'm seeing a great deal of the same stuff I've been arguing for, for several years now. I'm so relieved to learn I'm not the only one who reached the same conclusions about the lore of this franchise, just going by the clues and information the devs have given us. Your sugggestion of the "seven prisons" in particular just emboldened my own theory that I've been pleading people to get for years: the archdemons are Great Dragons (dragons are exceptionally resistant to the blight, according to one war table mission in the Western Approach) that have been charged to guard these prisons, and each time there's a Blight it means the locks of the prison have been broken, because the Dragons have finally been corrupted. So I don't think that two gods have escaped, I think five marks represented by an absense of gold (which likely represents magic) are locks that have already been broken, one per Blight. Where the escapees are... well, that's something to think about. Maybe they're too weak to fight still, as Solas was after his sleep. I guess we'll see. Now on to another video on the list!
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Dirthamen looks incredible. I vaguely remember Solas listing his help for something. Solas even has a statue in that temple. Makes me wonder why he was imprisioned. And yes I do agree with you that Falondin and Dirthamen were the same person. Cant wait for Veilguard to hear what weirdo abomination Ghil or daddy issue boy Elgar have to tell us! Especially about our Chuckles ♥️
The “twin souls” notion makes me think less of a split personality and more of something akin to Anders & Justice/Vengeance. Two souls literally bound to a single body who become less recognizable as individuals over time as the desire for justice and freedom for the mages corrupts both beings into Vengeance. In the case of Dirthamen and Falon’Din, we are told the two were once split when Falon’Din traveled beyond the veil “to a place where his brother could not easily follow.” This makes me think Falon’Din also ventured into the Void and became tainted and Andruil did. Dirthamen eventually found and reunited with him, and could have become tainted by his connection to Falon’Din or simply by being in the Void. We also know from Solas that Falon’Din was “bloodied in his own temple” by the Evanuris. I wonder if this means Dirthamen was split from and opposed to Falon’Din during this as well. If so, we have at least two accounts of them existing independent of each other rather than as two personalities of one being. We don’t have substantial enough evidence to make conclusive statements either way, but it’s interesting to think about the mystery of their nature.
I was never very deep into the Elven Pantheon, so I never gave it that much thought, but your assumption is incredibly plausible and I would like to see it to be the truth. As for the question why Dirthamen didn't warn Mythal what was coming: I think it might be because it wouldn't have made a difference. Whatever he had done, the outcome would have been the same. That's at least my theory.
Thank you🥰 Now you are now kinda deep in this topic because of all us geese here hahaha I suppose you're right regarding Mythal. It will be great to know what and why she did to turn the other Evanuris against her
I always thought there are only seven symbols because Mythal was killed by the other gods (and managed to escape into Flemeth). I like your theory a lot more, though.
Yes I do agree. I assumed in Inquisition that they are like alter ego's. I also assumed that difference in murals in his temple were reflecting the 'dirt' he had in his knowledge over other Evanuris. He knew everything, even things other Evanuris wouldn't want anybody to know. And he was proud to show it how the other Evanuris should respect him out of fear of what he knows about them. Otherwise he will shatter their godly image as benevolent lords of slaves. I do believe his followers were more akin to Hermeus Mora followers, containing way too much knowledge for their mortal minds to hold. I do believe Dirthamen followers were trying to either keep secrets hush by sewing lips and such or they tried to keep their sanity from spilling out the secrets they hold as precaution. Given how these are gods, maybe Dirthamen and Falon'din split. An alter ego becoming real entity. Or maybe Solas had to split them as two in one were too dangerous. Would explain why there are 7 prisons, with exclusion of dead Mythal and ofc Fen'Herel.
Wow this is kinda competing with my favourite Goose videos, heck I love them all. Your theory is very good, especially considering that Falon'Din and Dirthamen are said to be twin brothers so being the same person works just as well. I wonder if when Ghil and Elgar'nan are defeated will the other gods somehow become free amidst the chaos. Dirthamen and Andruil just seem like final boss material for like a dlc or something. I also wanted to ask who do you think will return to DAV from the previous games. I have a good feeling Morrigan will make an appearance to become possibly the next Flemeth or carrier of the soul of Mythal. Dorian seems very likely to return. Maybe Cassandra and Leliana will accompany the Inquisitor on their journey (a nice narrative ending as they were with them at the start now they are both with them to finish the journey) also maybe Fenris to aid the Shadowdragons. Those are just my guesses
Oh, that's a great question. Inquisition will definitely appear. Considering that we have too many world states with Cassandra and Leliana, I'm afraid we will not see both of them. I'd love to see Dorian and Fenris too. Isabella would be a great side quest companion! Also Bodahn and Sandal just must be there for ENCHANTMENT ✨✨✨
@@ImpGoose it's kinda just piggy backing off your cool theory. It opens so many doors. This would mean the secrets they refer to would be the most valuable secrets. The eluvians are the key to the whole thing. It could even be that the Dirthamen personality or whatever is/was deliberately suppressed to keep those secrets. Like the high priest was silenced. I'm going to be playing Inquisition for the first time in like 98,018,230,191 years.
Sorry you're getting another dissertation from me, LOL 😂😂😂 Based on what we've learned from trespasser and Solas' account of ancient elven history. I believe that Dirthaman's dominant shadow self prevented him from Mythal of her fate. Perhaps feeling it wouldn't change her outcome, if she was meant to die. Or he transferred that knowledge or thoughts into one of his priests and bound them to silence. 🤷🏾♂️ Either way this is why Dirthaman is my favorite of the ancient elven gods. He is so interesting and there's so much to play around with because so much of him is wrapped in secrets.
More dissertations to the gods of DA lore!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 I suppose you're right. Probably he could predict that nothing would change or...he simply forgot which priest held this secret and it literally slipped his memory hahaha The best way to keep a secret is to forget it!
@ImpGoose 🤣🤣🤣 May the dissertation gods of DA Lore be pleased! 🔥 Based on your theory video, that makes the most sense. Again, there are so many Shar-like references to his lore or history. The best way to forget a secret is to forget about it. (Shar whispering in the background) This is the way. 🤣
All theories are always welcome if you share them with respect and politely discuss them with other people in comments. Please tell us what you think regarding Dirthamen and Dumat in a form that everyone can enjoy and participate in 😊
@@ImpGoose sorry! In the “old gods are Evanuris” theory, which I sympathize with, it is noted that without Mythal, there are the same number of Evanuris as old god dragons (and the number of Evanuris in Veilguard also happens to match the number of Old Gods left), which leads to the idea that every Old God was actually an Evanuri in dragon shape (or at least that the Old Gods are tied to the Evanuris as Corypheus’s dragon was tied to him). Under this theory, I suspect that Dumat, Dragon of Silence, who taught humans blood magic and so forth, matches to Dirthamen, given the nature of his worship.
@@ImpGoose Basis: there are only two Old Gods left, Razikale, Dragon of Mysteries, and Lusacan, Dragon of Darkness. It also just happens that only two of the Evanuris are confirmed to appear: Elgar’nan, god of vengeance associated with the sun, and Ghilan’nain, goddess of mad scientists, artificial creatures, and navigation. Do we see the parallel?
Oh my goodness I was just thinking the same thing! If it's true then that would explain them whispering to the seven magisters and seducing then into the eventually turned the Golden City black. Personally I don't think that the Maker exists but the Golden City was a old elven kingdom. Just a theory after really thinking about it.
…why is it that every video of yours I see right before bed has to be creepy? 😂 I was wondering if the two Evanuris were conjoined. I didn’t notice the two symbols on the second pic (the idol) were identical. I definitely think you’re on to something! Either way, your analysis of Dirthalen actually increased my interest in him. The concept of the first spirits and the Evanuris being one and the same? I hadn’t considered that possibility. I’m curious if that’s a theory you believe?
Sorry 😂 I hope you still had good dreams! Regarding the theory that I believe...well, it's a bit tricky. I want to believe that the Evanuris are misunderstood, but the information we have shows the elven gods in a very fable-like light which makes me suspicious about their powers. That's why I make videos exposing the logic and narrative patterns. I don't mind being mistaken, thus I want to believe in magic, but it will be great if DAV gives us some logical proof or clarification haha
@@ImpGoose I did. I did enjoy the video, too! 😜 Another person on TH-cam, Ghil Dirthalen, did a short video recently saying BioWare will start talking about Veilguard over the course of the month. Apparently a roadmap will be coming soon, as well as the release date (thank you, Powers That Be!). That information seemed worth sharing!
Dirthaman has always been one of my absolute favorites of the elven gods. I always found him so interesting and fascinating. I absolutely loved his shrine because it had so many horror elements and horror is one of my favorite genres.
I have always theorized that Dirthaman and Faladin ( I hope I his spelled his name right) were the same person.
You did use the word telepathy in the right contacts. Telepathy allowing someone to either read or see into someone's mind and sometimes their emotions. I could definitely see if Dirthamen had these abilities, he could transfer thoughts into his priests minds.
In some small way he reminds me of the dark goddess Shar from Baldur's Gate 3.
Outstanding work as always. Now you have me wanting to play Dragon Age Inquisition again.
😁🙏💚
Thank you so much ❤️🥰 Playing DAI is one of a few pleasures we have before DAV lands haha.
Shar, memories and mirrors, huh? You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Dirthamen did something like that too! He's such a cool character...I hope we'll learn more about him
@ImpGoose You're absolutely welcome, Goose. I 100% agree with you about playing DAI. 😅
I hope we do learn more about Dirthaman in DATV (or DAV) and all the elven gods. 😁🙏❤️
I was waiting for this one. Dirthamen is my favorite. I always play my elf mages as his followers😁
So cool 😎 Hope you enjoyed it!
Another great and interesting video, thank you!
I like a lot of the ideas and theories you put forth and I really love how your videos have a way of putting together pieces that can be easily missed if you don't cobble the lore together and pay exacting attention. For example: While I had all the codex pieces from this temple, I never realized that it made the distinctive choice to allow you to understand the text fully, as opposed to fragments like ToM and Trespasser. Nice!
There are a couple of counterpoints I want to make:
Mentor: I actually took the reference of 'mentor' in the combined codices to refer to the High Priest and not Dirthamen. Like: "Oh, we'll keep the ways as you taught us and make sure you yourself can never betray it either. "
Spicy Math: Another interpretation of the discrepancy in math between the known number of Evanuris and the 'discs' portrayed is that Mythal was never imprisoned because she'd already been betrayed and killed by then. Your theory about Falon'din and Dirthamen is still a sound one and I believe they certainly had a codependent relationship that was probably unhealthy. But so far as being the same person: The math doesn't precisely indicate that, not when you remember Mythal was never imprisoned.
Just my own two cents to toss in! Thanks again for the video ^.^
Thank you so much for your kind words ❤️✨ I completely forgot about Mythal and that she is not in prison. This video was so close to brilliance hahaha
I appreciate you pointing it out and explaining to me your vision! Hopefully we'll learn the truth in DAV 😜
@@ImpGoose Yes! I am less concerned about any one theory being right and more with ANSWERS. LOL Expected ones, shocking ones, just, please, BW give us some legitimate answers!
I really like the idea of Dirthamen's priesthood being used as a sort of psychic archive. It would make them a tradition of ascetic monasticism with vows of silence and isolation while they study and learn apart from the world so he could tap into their understanding and secret knowledge. He could also run his dominion as an Orwellian police state using paranoia of surveillance and espionage to control the populace and combat rivals.
I will say that with whatever the connection is between Dirthamen and Falon'din (the most interesting gods of the Evanuris) they are separate enough to be distinct independent entities. I would guess that maybe they were probably just really close allies; Falon'din some sort of cult of personality warlord and Dirthamen the operates from the shadows type and they grew, during the old war with the titans, so deeply entwined to be considered parts of each other.
Solas also implies that all the Evanuris conspired to end Mythal together, so Dirthamen would have been an active agent in her death. Assuming Solas is honest in that story. Warning her would've been counterproductive.
Great points, my friend. I really like the idea of Dirthamen being a spymaster. Thanks for sharing them! Hopefully, we'll learn more about them soon :)
I love this theory! It also fits with duality of other Evanuris we know and general perseption of them as first spirits. Like Mythal is Justice/Vengeance, Solas is Pride/Wisdom, ect. Dirthamen and Falon'Din could be Compation/Envy, like Cole, who can read minds and make people forget or recall stuff. Could explain part about one's vanity and obsession with body parts and others quiet mind fuckery. I mean, even in their "good" state spirits can be very creepy.
Yay! I think Cole is the most charming companion. At least I loved his strange pearls of creepy wisdom or observations. Your theory about Dirthamen and Falon'Din being something similar to compassion is intriguing 👀
@@ImpGoose I know, right? Cole is adorable little baby with his Asperger's coding and goofy little errands, but even he ocassionaly said and did some creepy shit, giving folk existential crisis or murdering people like a serial killer with gentile kink. And he's just uncorrupted reflection of !human! compation. Can you imagine what compation looks like to eldritch horror like Titan? This thing is alien as hell with literal Abyss in it's guts and colonies of sentient people living inside it! If his race dreamed Evanuras to existence, it would explain why they are so extra from every angle 😅
I agree with you on the split personality thing. If it isn't that then it was just an act on his part, and when people stopped caring about his 'darkself' then he got angry. He started staying in the personality. Well that's what I'm thinking anyway.
I have to say that 7 is without Fen and Mythal, cause obviously Mythal is smth "dead" and can't be sealed beneath the Veil in punishment for her killing...also I found the idea of "twin gods" for different "realms" too interesting to be cut off so easy...
but maybe I am wrong ofc😊 I love Yung and his archetype idea indeed
Yeah, I've already been corrected 😅 Well, there's a reason why I'm not a mathematician by occupation!
@@ImpGoose but I am(well physicist but no matter), always ready to help😅 great video regardlessly , as always
Edit: also the Owl in shattered library holds an foci orb inside a golden circle common for other elvhen structures and pictures, and because elvhen statues are simplified or even primitivistic and made of one stone piece, perhaps it is just easier to avoid complex forms
I think the idea of using his priests as flashdrives works. Heck, we saw Mythal/Flemmeth do something on a small scale to preserve herself with Hawke. And she does not know everything. So putting information in his priests, and you never know which priest has which secret? Makes perfect sense to me.
I don't know about the Fallin'din vs. Dirthamon personality split. I won't say you're definitely wrong. I can just think of other reasons (such as his memories are in his priests, and the owl brings a mirror, but it's used for scrying, also does he know everything before it happens? In which case he'd be the most powerful of the Gods, as he could make anything happen just by stepping on the wrong butterfly.)
What I wonder, watching this now, is if he's the Maker.
There's also the problem that we probably don't know all the elvan gods. There could be many more. We only know the really popular ones. It's like knowing Zeus and Hades and Athena, but not knowing about Eris and Eros and so on.
Yeah, we know that DA writers change stories sometimes. It's sad if they will, though. My math has never been so brilliant 😂
Actually reminds me allot of the characters we've met that have been possessed. Itd easily explain the split personality, very like Anders/Justice.
The mural around the fade that depicts all the elves is more odd to me when it comes to Mythal, theres one symbol that could def be hers, but if her being killed was the catalyst for the gods becoming trapped, then those half circles wouldnt have a reason to depect her. Assuming they are showing the ones trapped/killed/released.
Yeah, these are interesting thoughts to consider. One person left a comment that Dirthamen and Falon'Din could be compassion and envy. It will be cool if one of the Evanuris appears to be a spirit of some sort.
We really need to know more about the golden symbols. It would clarify so many theories!
Looking forward to this.
Love your voice! You should be a character in the game
Thanks! It was my dream when I was a child 🥰 Shohreh Aghdashloo became internationally recognisable pretty late haha. So, I still have time!
@@ImpGoose Don't give up 🤟🏼
For the seven instead of eight prisons: Mythal was also not imprisoned because she had “died”
Dirthamen is Varys from Game of Thrones in a way. In Got Varys has several personas, and aliases an looks, a skilled actor manipulating everything behind the scenes. He is Falondin(spelling) but is his secret persona. He has an army of spies that work for him, they collect the secrets. He couldn't openly reveal it was him collecting spirits so her created a ew persona. A secret adversary who recruited spies. An adversary and an ally always in the shadows, always listening. He meant to wage war on the other elves and was beaten.
I suggested a spirit/mage relationship between these two in r/dragonage years ago, but I didn't get people to make the connection that they were almost certainly the same individual, and each of these two elven "gods" was actually just an aspect of one single person. In my mind the spirit/mage thing started to make sense after playing Jaws of Hakkon, where we meet the Avvar mages and learn how they accept and even encourage a connection with a spirit so it can guide them as they learn to control their powers. Some even live with the spirit for most of their lives. Even the Seekers do this, somehow, with their spirit of Faith, which allows them powers which are actually too close to magic to be a coincidence.
But there is a strong possibility this is a dissociative identity disorder thing.
I just discovered your channel, I'm going through the DA videos as I write this, and I'm seeing a great deal of the same stuff I've been arguing for, for several years now. I'm so relieved to learn I'm not the only one who reached the same conclusions about the lore of this franchise, just going by the clues and information the devs have given us. Your sugggestion of the "seven prisons" in particular just emboldened my own theory that I've been pleading people to get for years: the archdemons are Great Dragons (dragons are exceptionally resistant to the blight, according to one war table mission in the Western Approach) that have been charged to guard these prisons, and each time there's a Blight it means the locks of the prison have been broken, because the Dragons have finally been corrupted. So I don't think that two gods have escaped, I think five marks represented by an absense of gold (which likely represents magic) are locks that have already been broken, one per Blight. Where the escapees are... well, that's something to think about. Maybe they're too weak to fight still, as Solas was after his sleep.
I guess we'll see. Now on to another video on the list!
Subbing because of this brilliant think piece, and that voice, DAMN!
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This content is so great. Please keep going. Love your channel.
That's so sweet of you, thanks! I'll do my best 🔥🔥🔥💃🏼
Dirthamen looks incredible. I vaguely remember Solas listing his help for something. Solas even has a statue in that temple. Makes me wonder why he was imprisioned. And yes I do agree with you that Falondin and Dirthamen were the same person. Cant wait for Veilguard to hear what weirdo abomination Ghil or daddy issue boy Elgar have to tell us! Especially about our Chuckles ♥️
Joining you here, my friend! DAV really should give us more lore regarding these guys
Dithamen is the Lady Whistledown of the elven pantheon. 😆
Absolutely captivating idea; I love it.
great vid goose
Honk ✨
The “twin souls” notion makes me think less of a split personality and more of something akin to Anders & Justice/Vengeance. Two souls literally bound to a single body who become less recognizable as individuals over time as the desire for justice and freedom for the mages corrupts both beings into Vengeance. In the case of Dirthamen and Falon’Din, we are told the two were once split when Falon’Din traveled beyond the veil “to a place where his brother could not easily follow.” This makes me think Falon’Din also ventured into the Void and became tainted and Andruil did. Dirthamen eventually found and reunited with him, and could have become tainted by his connection to Falon’Din or simply by being in the Void.
We also know from Solas that Falon’Din was “bloodied in his own temple” by the Evanuris. I wonder if this means Dirthamen was split from and opposed to Falon’Din during this as well. If so, we have at least two accounts of them existing independent of each other rather than as two personalities of one being. We don’t have substantial enough evidence to make conclusive statements either way, but it’s interesting to think about the mystery of their nature.
I was never very deep into the Elven Pantheon, so I never gave it that much thought, but your assumption is incredibly plausible and I would like to see it to be the truth. As for the question why Dirthamen didn't warn Mythal what was coming: I think it might be because it wouldn't have made a difference. Whatever he had done, the outcome would have been the same. That's at least my theory.
Thank you🥰 Now you are now kinda deep in this topic because of all us geese here hahaha
I suppose you're right regarding Mythal. It will be great to know what and why she did to turn the other Evanuris against her
I always thought there are only seven symbols because Mythal was killed by the other gods (and managed to escape into Flemeth). I like your theory a lot more, though.
The mouths shut part makes me think back to the Qunari we help in DA2 who can’t speak
Yes I do agree. I assumed in Inquisition that they are like alter ego's. I also assumed that difference in murals in his temple were reflecting the 'dirt' he had in his knowledge over other Evanuris. He knew everything, even things other Evanuris wouldn't want anybody to know. And he was proud to show it how the other Evanuris should respect him out of fear of what he knows about them. Otherwise he will shatter their godly image as benevolent lords of slaves.
I do believe his followers were more akin to Hermeus Mora followers, containing way too much knowledge for their mortal minds to hold. I do believe Dirthamen followers were trying to either keep secrets hush by sewing lips and such or they tried to keep their sanity from spilling out the secrets they hold as precaution.
Given how these are gods, maybe Dirthamen and Falon'din split. An alter ego becoming real entity. Or maybe Solas had to split them as two in one were too dangerous. Would explain why there are 7 prisons, with exclusion of dead Mythal and ofc Fen'Herel.
Wow this is kinda competing with my favourite Goose videos, heck I love them all. Your theory is very good, especially considering that Falon'Din and Dirthamen are said to be twin brothers so being the same person works just as well. I wonder if when Ghil and Elgar'nan are defeated will the other gods somehow become free amidst the chaos. Dirthamen and Andruil just seem like final boss material for like a dlc or something. I also wanted to ask who do you think will return to DAV from the previous games. I have a good feeling Morrigan will make an appearance to become possibly the next Flemeth or carrier of the soul of Mythal. Dorian seems very likely to return. Maybe Cassandra and Leliana will accompany the Inquisitor on their journey (a nice narrative ending as they were with them at the start now they are both with them to finish the journey) also maybe Fenris to aid the Shadowdragons. Those are just my guesses
Oh, that's a great question. Inquisition will definitely appear. Considering that we have too many world states with Cassandra and Leliana, I'm afraid we will not see both of them. I'd love to see Dorian and Fenris too. Isabella would be a great side quest companion! Also Bodahn and Sandal just must be there for ENCHANTMENT ✨✨✨
Interesting.
Maybe he is the one who came up with the Eluvians. Would fit the teleportation theory and the mirror being part of his iconography.
Also the whole shadow self business...
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That's a really cool theory!!!
@@ImpGoose it's kinda just piggy backing off your cool theory. It opens so many doors. This would mean the secrets they refer to would be the most valuable secrets. The eluvians are the key to the whole thing.
It could even be that the Dirthamen personality or whatever is/was deliberately suppressed to keep those secrets. Like the high priest was silenced.
I'm going to be playing Inquisition for the first time in like 98,018,230,191 years.
Sorry you're getting another dissertation from me, LOL 😂😂😂
Based on what we've learned from trespasser and Solas' account of ancient elven history. I believe that Dirthaman's dominant shadow self prevented him from Mythal of her fate. Perhaps feeling it wouldn't change her outcome, if she was meant to die.
Or he transferred that knowledge or thoughts into one of his priests and bound them to silence. 🤷🏾♂️
Either way this is why Dirthaman is my favorite of the ancient elven gods. He is so interesting and there's so much to play around with because so much of him is wrapped in secrets.
More dissertations to the gods of DA lore!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I suppose you're right. Probably he could predict that nothing would change or...he simply forgot which priest held this secret and it literally slipped his memory hahaha The best way to keep a secret is to forget it!
@ImpGoose 🤣🤣🤣 May the dissertation gods of DA Lore be pleased! 🔥
Based on your theory video, that makes the most sense. Again, there are so many Shar-like references to his lore or history. The best way to forget a secret is to forget about it.
(Shar whispering in the background) This is the way. 🤣
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Dirthamen is to Leliana as Mythal is to Flemeth
This is the way
What about a connection between Dirthamen and Dumat, the “Dragon of Silence”.
All theories are always welcome if you share them with respect and politely discuss them with other people in comments. Please tell us what you think regarding Dirthamen and Dumat in a form that everyone can enjoy and participate in 😊
@@ImpGoose sorry! In the “old gods are Evanuris” theory, which I sympathize with, it is noted that without Mythal, there are the same number of Evanuris as old god dragons (and the number of Evanuris in Veilguard also happens to match the number of Old Gods left), which leads to the idea that every Old God was actually an Evanuri in dragon shape (or at least that the Old Gods are tied to the Evanuris as Corypheus’s dragon was tied to him). Under this theory, I suspect that Dumat, Dragon of Silence, who taught humans blood magic and so forth, matches to Dirthamen, given the nature of his worship.
That's an intriguing theory and I see why you like it!
@@ImpGoose Basis: there are only two Old Gods left, Razikale, Dragon of Mysteries, and Lusacan, Dragon of Darkness.
It also just happens that only two of the Evanuris are confirmed to appear: Elgar’nan, god of vengeance associated with the sun, and Ghilan’nain, goddess of mad scientists, artificial creatures, and navigation.
Do we see the parallel?
Oh my goodness I was just thinking the same thing! If it's true then that would explain them whispering to the seven magisters and seducing then into the eventually turned the Golden City black. Personally I don't think that the Maker exists but the Golden City was a old elven kingdom. Just a theory after really thinking about it.
I thought there was one two few symbols because Mythal was killed?
I always thought its 7 prisons becuase Mythal was killed, not imprisoned.
Maybe it was an Anders/Justice situation. Split personality makes sense.
…why is it that every video of yours I see right before bed has to be creepy? 😂
I was wondering if the two Evanuris were conjoined. I didn’t notice the two symbols on the second pic (the idol) were identical. I definitely think you’re on to something! Either way, your analysis of Dirthalen actually increased my interest in him.
The concept of the first spirits and the Evanuris being one and the same? I hadn’t considered that possibility. I’m curious if that’s a theory you believe?
Sorry 😂 I hope you still had good dreams!
Regarding the theory that I believe...well, it's a bit tricky. I want to believe that the Evanuris are misunderstood, but the information we have shows the elven gods in a very fable-like light which makes me suspicious about their powers. That's why I make videos exposing the logic and narrative patterns. I don't mind being mistaken, thus I want to believe in magic, but it will be great if DAV gives us some logical proof or clarification haha
@@ImpGoose I did. I did enjoy the video, too! 😜
Another person on TH-cam, Ghil Dirthalen, did a short video recently saying BioWare will start talking about Veilguard over the course of the month. Apparently a roadmap will be coming soon, as well as the release date (thank you, Powers That Be!). That information seemed worth sharing!
Great news indeed! YAY!
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