Peter Hitchens, Rod Liddle, Matt Goodwin, Flo Read, Rowenna Davis: the Alternative Election Hustings
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- Who should you vote for on the 4th of July? A week ahead of the general election, UnHerd's Freddie Sayers and Tom McTague host an alternative hustings to size up the competition. Our all-star cast includes Peter Hitchens arguing for the Tories (even though he wants to destroy them), Rod Liddle for the SDP, Rowenna Davis for Labour, Matt Goodwin for Reform and UnHerd's Florence Read for the Greens, plus more special guests to be announced soon.
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I'm a woman, and I'm voting REFORM UK. Labour is a joke after watching this ridiculous Labour representative speak. Cringe!!!
I'm non-binary and I'm voting Labour, I can't wait for the super Labour majority government! They're going to pass laws forcing you to recognise me and my people.
Thats what Peter Hitchens is trying to tell you here though. If you are against Labour as any rational person SHOULD be, then the only way to prevent a Labour government is to vote Tory. I myself would be voting for Reform UK if the incoming Prime Minister was not a Trotskyite!
People do not understand just how far left the leader of this Labour party is and giving him the keys to number 10 will be the death of this country. This is not the time to waste your vote on Reform.
Then your logic is defective . If you vote Reform you will put Labour in Office. The Reform speaker actually admitted this.
Nearly 95% of INDIGENOUS BRITISH need to vote reform UK on July 4th to save Britain.....can't afford a labour Tory LIBDEM regime at number 10 😠
Honestly, skipped that bit 😂😂
Hitchens always makes valid points but Goodwin was strongest here!
I agree and would add that, however much I like Hitchens, he went on record for the past 5 years saying he no longer tried to shape events, but merely recorded them as an obituarist. He needs this rubbing in his face.
I'm voting Reform, tories and Labour are exactly the same! I can't stand Labour hypocrisy.🤮
Agree about L and C. Will R be better?
Hard to believe Hitchens can't see it.
@@tatianavinograd7591Well they can’t be worse. I’m giving them a chance. The change of tax threshold and them being anti-net zero, which will cost taxpayers hundreds of billions, is a huge reason for me to vote Reform, not to mention that Starmer is weak and pathetic. He still can’t say what a woman is ffs. May as well throw a wet wipe into number 10 when Labour get in.
She actually believes labour are with the people. The only reason people are voting for labour in this neoliberal form is because the conservatives have self imploded.
I like hitchens.. but VOTE REFORM to end immigration
it always boggles my mind parties say migration is good at levels now.. then talk about maintaining out green to fight pollution etc. Its like they do know bigger the population the less green we have right? trying to act like they can do both which is impossible.
@@Xeeni87 I concur 100%. Transporting people from low carbon lifestyles in the third world to high consumption ones in the 1st, having vast global diasporas who'll want to fly around the world just to visit family. So called free trade policies that simply relocate factories from nations with stringent environmental standards to far east nations with none.
Nothing that our political establishment actually does suggest THEY believe a damn word of what they say on climate change.
Should say end MASS immigration. You can't just end all immigration... speaking more precisely on this will do your cause a favour.
Like his wit too, but unfortunately what he's saying makes no sense. Voting for the Cons will only result in them not learning the lesson they need to learn. They completely let the country down, more in the last term than at any other point. COVID, Wokery, Immigration, Energy inflation and on and on. Serious issues which they have simply failed completely on, and they were not that hard issues to fix, understand or get far better routes through than they divested decisions on to the like of Witty and Valence et al.
nobody likes Hitchens.
MATT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MAKES SENSE. REAL CHANGE AT LAST.
You'll never see any political discussion that is this interesting on the BBC. Well done, UnHerd.
Seconded.
Right Wing Echo Chamber this
It won't change the result of the elections, though, in the UK. And *white liberal women* are the problem. Just look at the panel in this debate ! 🙄
Because they live in wealthy and *safe* neighborhood, they are going to support policies that destroy the safety of less fortunate women (like mass immigration).
It's almost to a point that I genuinely feel disgust for this group.
THEY are destroying western countries all over. Since the 1970's an the endoctrinati..I mean educational camps that are universities, white liberal women are bringing us down.
This Labour woman is so painfully fake and dishonest that I’m simply skipping everything she says.
It's nauseating 🤢
Makes her perfect for Labour
She's not.
The panel selection is just unfair.
Labour would win anyway.
She's not fake or dishonest, she is just brainwashed and closed minded, even when facts were explained to her she still repeated her ideological propaganda that has been drilled in to her. I'm sure she actually believes she's on the best side, unfortunately she is far from it, she's on the virtue signalling irrational side.
So you've made that judgement about her and you're not even listening to what she has to say
As much as I like Peter The arrogance and willingness to keep Tory in power instead of Reform is really astounding. How on earth can we vote for the Tory party with a clear conscience when they are not remotely conservative and all issues that matter to us, woke ideology, immigration and net zero have and will continue to get worse under them. Completely agree Labour as a catastrophe and I actually think less of people who can’t see that, but let’s be honest the conservatives have only survived this long due to the ineptitude of Labour and that free pass was always going to run out.
He did appear to depart the lecturn only telling us what we should NOT do, without a clear direction
It is difficult to choose between Goodwin and Hitchens. Hitchens' point is that Labour are so committed to expanding the vote to 16 year olds that, if they get in, under FPTP, even if the Tories are destroyed in the next few years and Reform become the main opposition, Reform will never be able to overturn the electoral advantage that will be given to Labour (since they'll have control of the institutions during this period). Goodwin argues that the next election is existential for the country and so we'd better get on with building strong foundations now. But with mass immigration projected to continue at huge levels in the next 5 years, combined with the expansion to 16 year old voters, I'm sceptical as to whether there even is going to be a possibility of mounting a challenge to Labour under Reform in 2029, because the maths will be so overwhelmingly against them by then even if they get a few seats in 2024.
How would you say Conservatives values stand re the NHS - Is it an institution to be preserved, or an asset to be sold off like other vital infrastructure, ie water, energy, trains? I am truly interested because the NHS, surely, is one of the best things about living in the UK, something we have all needed at various times of our lives, and our families' lives, yet it is in the hands of the democracy and the tax payer, the end user - ie if your ideology is neoliberalism/free market , low regulation, and barest minimum of voter influence in the democracy we live in (a very top down style of rule, not democratic at all really, ie limited power of redress - as in water company monopoly and polluting with impunity) it is not clear whether the Conservative view is to hold onto , and manage well this asset (in conservation of the principle) , or if the Conservative ideology is that the voters should own no assets, not because it is socialist but because in a class based system you need an unhealthy pyramid, ie a lot of people at the bottom to exploit for their labour and from the shallow pockets of in order to keep the pyramid peak well provided and sloshing in excess?
New Labour also follow the neoliberal donor model, and they will not be standing by the people who need the state to ensure this asset of public health remains fit for purpose at the best price to taxpayers - Blair's opening of NHS to free markets weakened our economy of scale that helped protect it as a large body from drug price hiking by big pharma, and Starmer is every bit likely to action the rest of the neoliberal plan - it has been a very long time in planning, this steal, and required millions be spent by those who wish to possess the profits from it, at the expense of the public, mainly by oversees would be 'investors'.
What kind of political party, or politician enables foreign interference to destabilise the lives of the very people that they profess to serve?
Every other story we are fed through the media is a distraction, a smoke screen so that we blindly mandate these bad faith actors to rob us and our families blind. It wasn't enough to create a pyramid scheme out of our public housing stock, leaving our young with dire housing options of rooms in HMOs, and drained of the funds to find lives of their own, always someone and something else to fleece for the cash that those at the top are burning of decadence hedonism and rolling stone futures - like so many high rolling gamblers (only with our hard earned and scraped money).
Starmer is a closet communist. You can't vote Starmer. Nasty tax surprises on the way. Farage won't get enough seats to make a difference now. He is preparing for 2029. The safe bet is actually Rishi Sunak. Q4 2024 is at 2.2%. My vote is with Rishi Sunak.
@@juliahartshorn2473Bla bla bla bla. Who is going to read such a long post ? Think before you type.
The Labour woman spouted exactly the same things that I’d expect from her party , she thinks that she knows what people want but is clueless! Also she is the only one without a sense of humour 😂
If Labour were clueless why are they so far ahead?
Communists don't have a sense of humour!
@@user-zc4yd9ss7his that a serious question at this stage in the game...
Have you been away from planet earth for 14 years?
Voting for someone worse is hardly going to make things better
@@user-zc4yd9ss7h most people are clueless
“It’s a bikini. What it conceals is much more important than what it reveals” Peter Hitchens.
Truism if ever there was one.
Think that nugget may have been lifted from Christopher’s repertoire - but glad Peter is carrying the baton forward.
😂😂😂
Goodwin and Hitchens are two of the best conservative commentators.
Goodwin has ulterior motives. You shouldn't trust him. Don't be taken for a fool.
The Labour representative is called Rowenna, proving Rod Liddles' accusation of the Middle class being who the Labour party represent.
If only the SDP could replace Labour and Reform could displace the {not) Conservatives.
Maybe they will...One vote at a time ;)
It might be the future. I think we are due this, Labour and Conservatives are reprehensible.
@@adam7802 100% :)
Spot on Matt Goodwin. Listen to his initial speech very carefully. Everything he says is true
There's a scary certainty on behalf of the Labour party, and a lack of humour.
Dictators of Marx ideology.
200 years of failed Marx ideas, and no country that employed it became wealth only much poorer
As a genuine conservative, I only have one option: Vote Reform!
Torys deserve ZERO SEATS
Change has to start somewhere. Why not now? Otherwise we go on endlessly and nothing changes. Vote Reform on July 4th and start that process. Yes it might take 5/6 years like Matt says. But start that process now so in 5-6 years we get that real change we crave in British politics. And better future for our kids.
Vote Reform July 4th
Maybe one or two… JRM would join reform
@@lucabiagi1485 No. JRM is utter fake. He didn't oppose lockdown. So much for being in favour of liberty.
To save the Conservative movement and prevent the Labor Party from leading the country into a precipice from which it may never recover, patriotic members of the Tory Party must join Reform as soon as possible, before the election.
Yeah but the white liberal women are going to be an issue in this election.
Because they live in wealthy and *safe* neighborhood, they are going to support policies that destroy the safety of less fortunate women (like mass immigration).
It's almost to a point that I genuinely feel disgust for this group.
THEY are destroying western countries all over. Since the 1970's an the endoctrinati..I mean educational camps that are universities, white liberal women are bringing us down.
Vote Reform, Matt is correct. There is no other alternative.
The SDP are a better bet.
@@collydub1987 The SDP are not running in many seats by the sound of it but they have a pact with Reform apparently, so they are both aligned. Makes sense as well, I think having both getting seats would be good for our democracy.
Zero seats for the Tories, is the best policy the Conservatives have ever suggested.
I wish we could convince Labour to do the same
@@odiedodieukkeep at it ❤ spreading the word. Don't give upv💪👍👌🇬🇧❤️
We need to get rid of this liberal left government with socialist policies.... Unfortunately you can't cure socialism with more socialism, socialism makes you poorer
You will live in a hell scape of your own making
ZERO SEATS? So all those TORIES who did the HARD GRAFT to make BREXIT work (from new trade deals to re-writing 100,000s of new regulations), they all have to lose their seats now? Why. They did nothing wrong. They did the REAL WORK whilst Farage just sat their making $$$ in America. Some people have no honour. Englishmen don’t attack their own.
Rod Liddle is so good
I believe SDP & Reform have an informal pact of collusion. I think they should make that more known.
No, he's not.
The only speaker who thinks swearing is attractive. I like SDP policies and Rod but he needs to be more respectful of those who wish to listen to him without swearing!
1:29:06 "...and Kier Starmer is a prosecutor, he's quite good at going after criminals...".
I remember when Starmer was the DPP, he tried to fast-track the extradition of Julian Assange. Great human rights lawyer that one 🤣
He was DPP when the Muslim grooming gangs were operating (and still are!)
I thought Hitchin's was surprisingly poor. His arguments merely boiled down to 'only votes for the Tories or Labour matter'. The very line of thinking that has got us into this mess
Exactly awful. Change has to start somewhere. Vote Reform July 4th and start that movement that might take 5-6 years like Matt says but start it now rather than later.
To be fair to him, he's concerned about an incoming Labour government poisoning the well of all future elections with their constitutional changes. I agree with him 100% that's a concern, but I also think Reform are worth the punt.
His point is that by voting Reform you’re handing the election to Labour bc you’ll split the conservative vote. It’s hard to unelect a party once they’re elected to power. 14 years of Conservative leadership shows that. Labour will have power for probably the same amount of time if not longer.
@alexanderh2345 , yes I understand but look at what we've had with 14 years of the Conservative Party.
I couldn't conceive any sensible reasoning to give them another bite at the cherry(so to speak).
I like how he makes that faint whistling noise when he speaks.
If we're headed for a Labour government under Keir, I weep. But it's because the Tories have lost the people's trust...All we can do is start building a grounded opposition by voting Reform.
Exactly. Change won't happen unless you start the process by voting Reform July 4th
But if you split the right wing vote then Labour wins. Are you willing to pay that price? What message will you actually be sending? Labour won’t care once they’re in power.
@@alexanderh2345same athletic argument, vote positively not negatively.
@@abigailslade3824 I think voting is always a negative thing in some sense. You’re voting to put people in power over you. Be careful to whom you give that power.
We just had it here in Ireland, no one to vote for. At least you have farage, good luck guys - get behind change.
No one starting a cultural movement? Like we've had June 1st and July 27th upcoming.
The Labour candidate is an intellectual lightweight. These people cannot seriously be in government.
They sent their best tho......
@@paragondega Sad but true.. Who else could they get, Rayner? Ashworth, Burgon, Lammy? I wouldn't trust them to spell Whelk stall let alone run one.
Have you seen Reeves lately, she looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights because she knows what's coming and that she's not up to it.
Rayner and the rest definitely aren't up to but think they are and that's even worse.
Quite refreshing from the Green candidate but I could never vote for them, especially the nutty net zero nonsense!
Felt a bit sorry for the Labour woman there. She will learn a lot over time.
The usual Hitchens, with his "I don't like the Conservatives but vote *against* Labour." i.e. vote Conservative.
I'm voting Reform. We have to break the ridiculous Labour/Tory cycle no matter how long it takes.
Green lady isn’t a candidate, she’s a member of the Unherd team.
Unfortunately, if the Conservatives were 'tories' they would not have fallen prey to the globalists. Conservatism is nothing more than a break on progressivism.
Concurrently social reform has been overrun by the Internationalist neo Marxism known as Critical Social Justice.
The Tories were originally the landed gentry who wanted to lead society by example, promoting commercial and traditional interests and cultural values.
Net Zero is not nutty. It’s evil.
The green party are the biggest opponents of Nuclear firstly but also bizarrely solar. The Green Party Nimbys protest every solar farm proposed in this country.
Peter is a mong. "the country is broken, it's fucked, we're going off a cliff... here's why you should continue to vote for the same corrupt and incompetent status quo.
he's such a boomer bore. if he thinks the conservatives aren't done already, he's insanely out of touch
Vote Reform and get real change.
Labour stole the slogan “Vote for Change” from Reform UK.
Great to see Reform UK up their game again and came back with “Vote Reform UK for REAL Change”.
✌️🇬🇧🥇
Like Tice trying to prove he isn't racist to everyone
You’ll get Labour you fucking idiot
@@Mickywayor like people crying "racist" because they haven't got any actual arguments.
@@chuck1804Reform attracts racists though, so many candidates caught saying racist stuff. One just the other day said "slaughter migrants". They're a rabble of loons
The woman speaking on behalf of the Labour Party was shocking in her lies and arrogance. I'm appalled at the prospect of a Labour Government but cannot vote Conservative after the last 14 years. I, and my family are all voting Reform UK.
It's 2024 and people still can't get the mic and audio levels right 🙄
If enough people vote Reform we will win. Vote with your heart. Absolute waffle from Flo Read.
Vote Reform - Don't let the establishment win with the two party system that suits their agenda. They both represent themselves and not the people of this country.
That the Tories are SO committed to Open Borders they will commit electoral suicide rather than lift a finger to control it - tells you something very disturbing.
The two party establishment represent the WEF globalists.
Only person on the stage i didnt think was being honest was the Labour women. Whether or not i agreed i felt the others shared their sincere beliefs.
Matt carried it, in my opinion.
He did
Well done Matt & Rod!
Team SDP-Reform
I CAN'T LISTEN TO ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN MATT. GOODNITE.
Hi Peter - I am voting reform because I am voting FOR reform
WHO is voting for Labour? Apparently they're going to win with a considerable majority, but HOW? WHO is voting for them? Their representative here is absolutely insufferable, and it's heartening that everyone here sees through her.
Champagne socialists, blue haired Lefties, and immigrants.
A load of idiots will vote for labour,unfortunately.
I know of a few of them, who actually believe in open borders, and who believe that the tories are a hard right party.... They're out there! 😬
Here in south Wales.
Can't understand it but the labour party has this country by the nuts.
And thatcher was decades ago but it still gets mentioned.
Nah greens girl just hasn't sold out yet, giver her 5 years and a baby and she'll be the spitting image of the labour rep.
Cities like Liverpool will always, ALWAYS, vote Labour. Usually because, well just because 🤷♂️🤷♀️🤷
“I don’t take orders from Nazis”
Ok then luv…..
REFORM!
No sense of humour whatsoever.
The Labour representative is vacuous and cliché-ridden. She has persuaded thousands to vote Reform, myself included.
Yesterday one of the electoral candidates for Bristol central was refused admission to the hustings.
She had to protest and seek admission directly to the event management.
After nearly an hour they eventually let her into the building.
Even then she was passed over when the floor was open to questions the convenor refused to accept questions from this one particular parliamentary candidate.
Her party is standing for the right of women to refuse men entry into spaces intended to protect the safety and modesty of women.
Places like;
- women's prisons,
- rape crisis centres,
- women's refuges,
- hospital wards,
- changing rooms,
- women's sporting competitions,
- women's toilets and
- women only online forums.
The candidate is 4ft 11 inches high, smartly presented, and acting politely and calmly. As calmly as anyone being treated like this can expect to act.
While at the hustings she received abusive jeers from people in the audience that she was promoting fascist ideology.
This rudeness received no reprimand from the candidates or the convenors of the husting while a number of the audience came to her defence in outrage.
Feminists caused thie mess. Lay in the bed you made!
Kellie-Jay Keen POW
Party Of Women!
Yes I’m voting for her party candidate in Herts - POW!
Thank you for putting this panel together. My vote is not Tory, Labour or Green - so probably REFORM as I also think a reset / re-calibration is required.
I’m a woman that lives in the real world of banter and am voting reform
I thought they all made some good points, apart from Labour
Labour are basically going to be even more of what the Cons did.... so even more taxation, even more public squandering, even more benefits going out, even more immigration, even more issues of wokery, even more integration into above state level treaties that will bind our hands and give us no say over how our country operates (see the WHO proposed treaty that will give them the power to lock us down yet again when the next new cold comes along from a lab somewhere in China.....)
Labour dont make points, they make virtue signals, and cant understand why more and more people are laughing at the obvious naivety of their positions, which are simplistic and childlike, appealing to pure emotion while disregarding logic.
Mid 30’s. Young family. I want to keep more of my hard earned money. 20k income tax threshold. Feel Politically homeless. Voting REFORM. 🇬🇧❌🇬🇧 #MBGA
Hitchens has officially beclowned himself into oblivion
That cracks me up. Poor Pete can’t think outside the box.
When the actual time comes for the type of real change he proposes - he always back away from it. He did over Brexit, after years of writing very critical things of the EU with regards to German expansionism, the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties - doesn't bother to vote in the referendum. Opposed lockdowns from the start - but then takes the "cure" to be able to travel and says that "people just have to accept these types of restrictions from now" - saying look at the opinion polls(which in this debate he dismisses). From the 2000s, says the Tories are part of uniparty block of metropolitan liberalism and have to be destroyed in order for something better to come along - now when there's a very real chance of doing that - "we have to vote Tory other it will be Blair Mk. 2 under Starmer(who is going to win any way)". He doesn't have the courage of his convictions.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat Spot on!
Peter Hitchens' standpoint is completely incoherent. If he wants the destruction of the Conservative party as he had long claimed, then the position he now warns against was always and will always be the case.
At some point you have to take the decision to abandon the Conservative Party and vote elsewhere without fear of "allowing in Labour".
I have voted, I am not a child and it was for Reform, who represents the only, if improbable, chance of saving what's left of this country.
I've never seen Peter Hitchens happier than during Florence's speech
I dont understand Peter Hitchins argument, dont pay attention to the polls, dont look around to see what other people are doing, think for yourself. Well i joined Reform nearly 3 years ago now so dont care what the polls have been saying. I will be voting Reform next week because I could see years ago that Tories and Labour were completely out of touch with a vast amount of British people.
VOTE REFORM! 🇬🇧
Did anybody else fast forward through the lady from labor, or was it just me?
No...I wanted to see the level of her delusion....I was not disappointed !
I listened to everything she said but I could not tell you what she had to say, other than vote for the same nonsense you have had for the last 30 years.
Pere Hitchens is wrong to insult the other panelists by calling them "blobs" and "tooth failry". It just showes his arrogance and contempt towards people with different points of view
I usually like to listen to Hitchens, but, I’m stumped by his promotion of the Uniparty. We should vote for what we believe, encouraging tactical voting is an act designed to undermine free speech and democracy.
Yes. Nothing will change, if people keep voting for the same parties.
"It's a bikini what it conceals is far more important than what it reveals" best line so far.
I love how much Peter, a man who for all is many qualities is not given to bouts of joy, enjoyed Flo's opening presentation.
Vote Reform UK please........ we have had the others before and each time they have done us in.......please vote Reform UK.
I certainly will be!
I'm voting Reform UK. Labour will be a disaster, Hitchins is right about that. But it seems as though things need to get worse before they get better. I believe Labour will ruin the British economy. Investors are already fleeing the country in large numbers. Tories have destroyed themselves through corruption and incompetence, and over the next 4 years I believe Labour will do the same. Reform UK need to absorb both the support traditional to Labour aswell as the tories. Then we can set to work making The UK the truly great country it's destined to be.
1:11 Russia didn't cut off the oil and gas the GAE did and the EU and UK just cucked right along. Now we still buy Rus oil and gas but through third parties at higher prices. Stupid.
Quite so, and let's not forget unindicted war criminal Joe Biden blowing up the Nordstream 1 and 2 pipelines. Even if he is a one-term president he may still have a go at blowing up the Turkstream pipeline.
As somebody who is on disability who is on housing list who is looking at 5+ years wait and who is forced to live with family due ot this but other get priority because they come here with no links so they are considered homeless and are priority i need to be homeless to be a priority.... also low skilled work is filled and hard to find for people who are low skilled due to disability let alone the support to get ppl into work. ill be voting reform just for a change in way of thinking of equality and fair cuz I don't see it or feel it.
If you are in that situation then it is proof that the old system has let you down. 🤷♀️
@@claudiavonayres9186 sadly i live in Wales so im in labour area so trust me when i say if ur in a position I'm in ur fked (harsh word needed) when they get into office .. but i also know its same position in England ... neither party sees people in my position. Hence why i find myself cant vote for either ... i voted Tories for Brexit hoping for a change in thinking with brexit to be more inner focused and getting people with disabilities to help lower job and being more productive but never happened. Feeling let down is a understatement.
@@Xeeni87 +1. I'm in Wales. Labour bring socialist decay everywhere they go. It's depressing to watch. The philosophy of resentment, jealousy and emotionality is extremely destructive. People think it's bad now, they have no idea what's coming! #VoteReform
@@ashmash1934 hear hear
Reform are for the disabled. Vote Reform ❤
I admire the bravery of the Labour lady. She deserves respect for turning up and taking part. She was beautiful, well-meaning and well-spoken. However, seeing her just repeat vacuous slogans - like a child repeating lines from their parent - also filled me with a slight terror. It seems the Labour leadership have deliberately filled their party, and soon the parliament, with these innocent lambs.
As every communist ever - inner circle of power and lots of yes-man to surround themselves.
Brainwashed drones
I'm.pretty sure she's not that innocent.
To suggest she's so innocent is also to suggest that she's totally thick, which she isn't.
She's just deranged!
The smirk on her face as she looked the mother in the eye and said labour will keep the peace. The innocence is a facade.
@@dontcallthemliberals3316 I think by that point she was just completely lost. It was like she'd never been confronted with alternative opinions in real life before. She might watch this back and wise up a little. However, if she was standing as an actual MP the Labour Party wouldn't have even allowed her to come here in the first place.
Labour have basically replaced politicians with the sort of women you'd normally find working in HR departments - i.e. women that are careerist and sociable, but that aren't thinkers. The Labour parliament will just be a PR department for the state, filled with people that have no idea what's happening out in the country, and no idea what the state is actually doing.
100% :)
I will be voting Reform times they are a changing 👏👏🇬🇧🇬🇧
Yes Peter, I am a human being with a will and a mind. Which is why the insipid and inept two party system we have has to fall. Starting with the Tories and Labour will be next. Voting Reform.
Change has to start somewhere. Why not now? Otherwise we go on endlessly and nothing changes. Vote Reform on July 4th and start that process. Yes it might take 5/6 years like Matt says. But start that process now so in 5-6 years we get that real change we crave in British politics. And better future for our kids.
Vote Reform July 4th
How can you predict what will happen in 5-6 years? And will Reform actually be what you want it to be then?
He calls Starmer a cynic but then scoffs at reform. Every fucking election is the literal apocalypse if labour get in. Man needs new talking points, it's all way too personal for him.
@@alexanderh2345 Time will tell, let’s be honest here though both Labour and Conservative have failed miserably for years.
@@LabRat003 And Labour is about the get the win if the conservatives split. Peter’s point is that Labour is so much worse. So is it really worth it?
Reform for me!
Change has to start somewhere. Why not now? Otherwise we go on endlessly and nothing changes. Vote Reform on July 4th and start that process. Yes it might take 5/6 years like Matt says. But start that process now so in 5-6 years we get that real change we crave in British politics. And better future for our kids.
Vote Reform July 4th
I don't believe Starmer as he never answers a question directly, and was a great supporter of Corbyn.
While my personal politics tend strongly toward traditional (anti-woke) Labour, the SDP & even Galloway's Workers Party (albeit with one or two qualms) ... I have to say that - as usual - Matt Goodwin wipes the floor ... brilliantly articulate, hard-hitting & concise ... outperforming everyone else ... he's a great asset to Reform.
I wish this had more views. It is so relevant.
That’s true, dear. Still I would say just the speech of Goodwin should be viewed more.
A good debate, but poor quality upload. The speech was so distorted in places that I really couldn't follow what was being said.
Good man Freddie! He says loo instead of the T word. Ahhh, it makes me happy to know there are still some traditionally brought up English gentlemen under 70 in this country.
What a strange takeaway!
@@ohwellwhateverr It wasn't my 'takeaway'. I just wrote it spontaneously when Freddie said it at the interval, mainly to see if I was alone in noticing. The smattering of likes it got in 30 minutes is enough to make me happy. I'm not alone.
My actual takeaway is more like: 'we probably shouldn't have given women the vote'. ;)
Australians still say loo
@@grannyannie2948 Good on them! I've always had a soft spot for Aussies. The word toilet makes me shudder almost as much as 'serviette'.
@@ashmash1934where do you stand (or sit) on “lavatory”?
Vote Farage and Reform.
The only good thing about a Labour government is that everyone will have the opportunity to see just how bad they are. 2029 is a while away but probably a long time before that we will all be able to see that a mistake has been made.
Let's just take a moment to consider all of those lovely fluffy kitten qualities of the Green candidates...& in particular, one big Star Wars fan "Admiral Ackbaaaarrrrr!"
The one from Hawaian restaurant Aloha Snackbar?
Goodwin knocked it out of the park. There is a future for him in (sensible) government, if he wants it.
Hitchens is so pompous. Always spends most of his time talking about himself rather than the issue at hand.
Thank you for this and especially thank you Flo! You were wittily wonderful and honestly funny! Lifting the level of the conversation through shining a authentic light on politics reality.
Love Peter Hitchens smiling at the green speech
Reform can't win without votes, so vote Reform to SAVE OUR COUNTRY. You know it makes sense.
Wow the labour woman sank. She came off as aggressively dogmatic.
and utterly intolerant of anyone else.
Have a word with yourself.
The Green Party aka The Alan's Snakbar Party.
Thank you UnHerd for organizing and posting online this insightful & good-humoured 'hustings', and thanks to all the participants! Fascinating. I am sympathetic to Peter's pov but where I live in London (Hammersmith & Chiswick constituency) Labour has a big majority which isn't going to change in next Thursday vote, so I figure that a vote for Reform is not unreasonable. Were it a Labour/Conservative marginal I'd vote Conservative.
Good chat. Informative. Video kept blacking out. Audio was cut frequently, so I missed a fair bit.
Come on, Unheard, surely you can do better
The Labour advocate is incredibly deluded. Undoubtedly intelligent, but working overtime in trying (and failing) to mask the party's true agenda. Also, humourlessness to the max.
I couldnt vote labour and i wouldnt give the Conservatives after they have lied constantly, i shall be voting reform!
Decency, sensitivity and respect......but she sat condescendingly shaking her head the whole way through other peoples intros. On the topic of the 20% for reform it has pained me over the last few weeks how many people ive heard complain about housing, the NHS and immigration over the last few years have turned to me and say they are voting Labour. Labour doesn't think these 3 problems are connected and so will never solve them. Too many people are voting Labour to punish the Conservatives rather than voting for what they believe in.
Peter, Rod and Matt, the Dylan, Keef and Ronnie Wood of real opposition politics.
Brilliant viewing. Sound was not perfect but having mixed audio on debates there is always a hard choice between too many open mics and missing comments.
Rod Liddle, please stay healthy. We need you more than ever. Labour will ruin this country.
Rod is good for "another" 100 years :)
I’m sorry but Starmer saying the country comes first is the biggest joke I’ve heard in years! In labours eyes our country comes behind, EU, UN, NATO, WEF, WHO and any other initials and I call BS on the NHS answer he gave!
Why weren't any sound checks performed on Freddie's microphone before comencement?
Liddle toeing the line blaming russia/china/iran et al for the problems in the ukraine TOTALLY pushing aside the west"s and NATO massive incursion on politics and borders in the region!! the man made himself look silly!!
"Blair had a strong record on peace in the Middle East"
This had me screaming what on Earth is she blithering about.
Flo's finishing flourish on her opening presentation was great 🙂, she's also right that people are angry about the main two parties for their similarity, slavishness to above state institutions that mean we lack agility and freedom to do what is right for the country. I don't want to vote for any of the options at the moment, but will have to make a statement with my vote and that is to try and help fire a rocket up the ass of Cons and Labour because they both need it doing.
Love your channel and I'd LOVE to get in touch to improve your AV and Filmmaking.
Deck the halls with degrowth 😂😂😂😂
Peter has lost it, he says if you're against mass immigration it's idiotic to vote Reform because it will let Labour in. Instead he thinks you should vote for the Conservatives who have let in such high numbers it utterly dwarfs anything we've ever seen before... Wait, so who was idiotic again?
Hey Rowenna, you could have gone to North Croydon (Thornton Heath) in the early 2000s and see what the Labor government achieved with its open border immigration methods with Croydon being the dumping ground and waiting room for global migrants. The place was absolutely ruined and is now a shell of itself. Weird you didn’t mention that side of Croydon.
I've always found Hitchens a bore, but his warnings about Labour are extremely valuable.
it seems to be a requirement to be a smug self righteous virtue signaller in order to be a labour politician or supporter. The childlike shaking of the head of Rowenna at every opportunity is embarrassing yet all too familiar of anyone associated with the party
The uniparty have been awoken to the implications of their inability to identify what the issues are, let alone the solutions.
Total contempt for the plebs is the issue isn't it.
Love to see the dogpiling on the Labour corporate representative.
Reform is the new norm!! Vote Reform UK!!
Who knew Brian Waldon's interviews in the 1980s were so important in pinning down these slippery eels.