Unfortunately the price increase is $400 for North American customers. I'm all for improving a product but these GRs were already considered quiet by most. A price increase of 22% to address a NON-problem and new colors which are not really new (see the existing MK7 for all-black).
@@TheHammerofDissidence made in Malaysia,not like the Japanese ones with the wobbly platter problems,there will be no real difference between Japanese made or Malaysian made.
Nice to see Technics still pushing the boundaries on what is essentially over a 100 year old technology 👏 👏 With the revival of CD can we see some of this vibration technology implemented into a 'Reference' CD player in the Technics lineup please ?
I don't think that polystyrene is single use. Most boxes I just toss out, but I always keep turntable boxes. Because turntables are pain to ship when sold or moved when you move out of the current house.
You’re absolutely correct! We are just trying everything within our power to cut out plastics and polystyrene across all of our products as much as possible. However I can let you know that I have unboxed and reboxed this GR2 at least 5 times now in the new cardboard.
@@kevinwalker8639 Ah okay nice. Except for the internal improvements, how's the finish of these new ones? Because from the video it looks quite different for some reason, more silver-like rather than grey-like, compared to the original GR. Or is that just the lighting?
@@kevinwalker8639 I just got my GR2 this week and I was pleasantly surprised by the clever and excellent packaging. I'm not sure if I will ever have to repack it but I believe i could do it fairly easily.
I wonder if the platter are perfectly straight on this new series. The first GR model, I returned 2 decks because the platters were slightly undulating. For such a price, it was shameful. I finally found an SL1500C with a flat top but that's rare. I'm really surprised that no professional talks about this in the tests, only individuals mention it
YES! As I said in my reply. What a pain it is with this wobble! I'd love a decent technics TT but I can't afford £4000 for the premium model. And testing, packing and returning a TT is time-consuming and annoying. I was even told by the dealer I visited that the wobble on the 1200 GR was 'within manufacturer parameters' or something like that.
@@hobhood7118 Yes, that’s completely scandalous. The oscillation is accepted as compliant. For objects at such prices, we have to stop taking people for idiots. IN fact, this is a turntable to buy in store, by testing the platter carefully. I kept the SL1500C because the platter was good but I have a friend who bought one and it still oscillates. We cannot sell premium with defects like that. Most TH-cam channels advertise, they won't give a flaw. Namely, a second fault is the arm mechanism which for me is less solid and precise than the old MK2s. On my sl 1500C, I had to change it during the warranty because the arm lowered itself in the high position...
People who complain about the 22% price increase don't seem to understand that the inflation rate since it was introduced is 26% (US). Companies can only eat the increased costs for so long until they have to raise their prices. At least Technics have given us improvements even though they aren't visually obvious. I'm pretty darned happy so far with my SL-1200GR2.
Well they hafta complain about something, right? Else, you'd not buy a new one, but look for it's predecessor, the table that made them a zizza-gillion dollars.
You know when you spend the first few minutes talking about paper, offer only vague statements, and no easily producible evidence, Technics is damn proud of this innovation and it is not merely terrible salesmen trying to fill as much time as possible.
If Linn went green u would be silent... U wouldn't give a toss about 'evidence' and u would praise Linn for charging 2 Grand for a new motor that cost them 5GBP instead of 4..
Great video, very informative. Just purchased the 1210GR2 along with a MoFi Master Tracker cartridge, should be a great combo. Thanks again, Technics has the best line of turntables around, cannot go wrong with any of them.
But will the platter wobble like all the recent previous non-premium Technics TTs? I bought and returned a TS 1000C, a 1500C and tested and rejected 1200GR at a dealer. All the platters had wobble of a few millimetres. Bad luck? Three times over? From three separate dealers? I think Hanpin have some quality issues.
Just got the Hanpin turntable PLX1000 and that is pretty good. Lot better than this Technics. For wobble it is very small. If you concentrate you can just make it out but it is maybe under 0.1mm that on £650 turntable with 14.6 kg weight, less than 0.01 % wow, more than 4.5 kg /cm torque, better insulation than Technics, tonearm better insulated, better sound qualities than Technics ... is almost non excistent but the little dots go a bit up and down not in perfect line. This I have seen on almost all the turntables that the cast is never perfect. But £650 you can't complain about such a small trivial thing. Reloop almost as good as the Pioneer. In every aspect is better compared to Technics. Don't be fooled it might look the same but it is nothing like the Technics inside. I was also looking for some time and comparing. Came to the conclusion that Technics is nothing more than name hugely overpriced.
@@hobhood7118 I've read about that in old reviews. September 2014 the TT was first sold. Maybe there was a problem or not. DJ's that have reviewed the TT never have mentioned anything about it. I can't see any sign about it either. What I have seen is reviews by Technics fan boys giving false information. Beats me why anyone would go to the trouble and do it in purpose. Also there are lot of placebo effect going on with the Technics. But that said maybe there was something at early release but mostly good reviews on sold items. You have to take the reviews with grain of salt when today most have no idea. Transit can loosen the bearing for example and I grew up with vinyl. It is 1 minute job to adjust. But today people are up on arm sending the perfect TT back. To me it is not a fail. Just one example that people are stupid sometimes.
I for one, very much appreciated this discussion. I’ve been set on the 1200g….. The gr2 looks pretty good and probably better on its own than anything we ran in the 70’s. I’ll probably get the gr2 with an OM-Black MM cartridge and doubt I’ll be able to discern any difference with the g. Thanks!
I really do wish the interviewer would have asked how close to the G do these new improvements bring the GR2 sonically? There always was a difference between the two but how much has the gap been closed now?
They have definitely closed the gap between the GR2 and the G would it be enough to stop me buying a G? NO. However if I’d had a GR for several years and lusted are a G and couldn’t quite get there then I’d be very impressed with the step up to the GR2. Hopefully that kind of helps?
Now the question is: Can the upgraded components be swapped in to the standard GR? Replacing the power supply with a linear PSU looks to be pretty easy, if quite expensive (roughly $1000). If the new GR2 PSU and control board could be available for roughly the price difference between the GR and GR2, it help us GR owners not get annoyed with the prospect of having to sell off an older unit for a newer one. Also, for gods sake stop interrupting each other so much!
@@matthewtaylor7355 I'd be skeptical of something that low cost as well, but you're not wrong that the $1k price from the shop I found is excessive. EVERYTHING they sell at that storefront is wildly overpriced. $500 for a good setup with decent fit & finish would probably be reasonable.
I liked the chrome accents on the GR black model personally. Like the tone arm, 45 adapter, pop up light, strobe light, etc. Adds nice contrast. Also I wish on the 1200 GR2 model the tone arm was polished and not matte and came with a tinted dust cover. Ill get either a GR2 or the G model for my next turntable bit im unsure of what color to get at the moment. Right now I have a black mk5
I've the same question, actually. Especially because there are video on YT showing that pitch resolution of the GR is so rough that beat matching is impossible to keep for more than a few seconds.
There's a lot of terms being thrown around to make it seem like they've done something crazy, but power supply noise hasn't really been an issue and you can get a power supply upgrade kit for SL1200 turntables for around €80~€90. The delta sigma drive just sounds fancy, but they don't really explain what it does. Coreless motors have been a thing since the 70s and JVC had budget turntables which had these. My L-F71 has a measured W&F of around 0.02%RMS. When making statements that go like: "the benefits are enormous, I can't tell you how huge the difference it makes, it's insane!" it should be backed up with data, especially if the difference is as huge as you make it out to be.
It’s great that you appreciate the value of the power supply upgrade being nearly half of the increase in price that plus the metal finish on the controls. The new Delta Sigma drive smooths out micro vibrations caused by the motor drive circuit (I am not saying that the GR had significant vibrations in fact they are that minute they don’t show on wow and flutter ratios) these two things together do make a significant sonic improvement so absolutely value for money for the end user.
Can't wait for the "don't buy a GR2 until you've seen this" video Glad to see Technics saving the planet by using cardboard packaging 😂 The guy immediately points out that the cover is plastic. Im sure their products are made in a factory powered by unicorn farts and shipped around the world by sailboat and peddle powered trucks too. But the cardboard, look at the "sustainable" cardboard box 📦 (Ignore the fact that we've been using plastic and styrofoam for our entire existence as a company) look at this cardboard box 😂
Using something like a Denon 103 can be a struggle to get enough head shell mass (or effective tonearm mass I guess) for proper control of the low compliance cartridge. In my experience, I added head shell weight and the supplied extra counter weight to balance or the sound suffered. I bought the DL-103 not realizing how low compliance it is and it sounded awful (noticeably worse than a N97xE or a AT-VM95ML) until I educated myself and applied the tuning above (yes, with appropriate MC Pre). Thought it was the stylus differences but no, for me it was setup. Also, it's worth mentioning something most reviewers tend to miss - the supplied head shell has a set screw which allows for azimuth adjustment. Mine was noticeably off out of the box and the micro-line cartridge sounded very unbalanced until I dialed in the azimuth. I'm not at all a golden ear but I do actually hear the differences with proper set up given all the cartridge and geometry fussing about for setup. I've since bought a bunch of head shells to experiment and realized after the fact most of the cheap ones do not allow azimuth changes - I encourage buying ones which do allow for azimuth adjustment. Absolutely love the TT. Mine did not come with a 3mm spacer as mentioned by some other reviewers, so again - the 103 needs one. The tonearm on the black model is silver not black - doesn't bother me - maybe just a variation on later shipping models since I bought mine roughly Feb 2024. Copied most of this from other videos since I see this info often missing.
I really do wish the interviewer would have asked how close to the G do these new improvements bring the GR2 sonically? But the cardboard, look at the "sustainable" cardboard box
Hi sorry you didn’t get an answer to what you were hoping but ……,the GR2 when compared to the GR is sonically much much closer to the G however the G is still a completely different beast. These are significant sonic improvements on what was already a fantastic TT.
I think audiophiles are more likely than other consumers to keep and pass on their boxes and packing material, as we upgrade over time and sell our old units. I keep all of my equipment boxes because I have the room, but I don’t really keep boxes for anything else I buy because I figure I’m going to run everything else into the ground and then trash a broken/outdated unit.
I couldn’t agree more!! I have every single audio product box (plus camera if I’m honest) and I’m pleased to say that the cardboard has stood up to loads of boxing and unboxing whilst being taken around the country in my car boot.
Sorry that’s how it comes across the TT technology enhancements are huge and give the end user significant sonic improvements over the GR and yeah I know it’s a cardboard box but it’s kind of a big deal for us.
Oh these two guys :D I hope that technics didn’t think “oh shot we can’t produce Gr at the same price we need to price hike so let’s just put 2 at end and produce a cheaper TT for higher price”. From all the talk mentioned here didn’t hear anything crucial that makes it better….
The silent power supply is a huge benefit plus the additional noise cancelling then you have the Delta Sigma drive removing micro vibrations not to mention the cosmetic improvements. A price increase would be simple by just adding inflation. Pop down and blind test them when the GR2 is available.
@@kevinwalker8639 the problem is they didn’t specify if it’s linear and we know that their new amps are class d…. So sounds like it a PWM supply with noise cancellation.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596nope what we are saying is with the evolution of technology we have been able to make further improvements on an already excellent product.
@@sats87Technics amps are not Class D they are all fully digital. We are working on some detailed explanations that we can share for those that are interested.
I wish they would re release some of the great auto changers they made in the 80s maybe and updated version? Like the SL1950 for instance, I live in hope.
why? changing perfection? The Japanese ones went up in price so maybe they will now move from Malaysia to Indonesia and sell it as an upgrade? The indonesian coconut oil really smooths out the highs.
My takeaways from this video: 1) When you start talking about packaging it really gives the game away that there's not much to be seen here. 2) The internal Switch Mode Power Supply (SMPS) in both the G and GR has always been a weak point of the design, but SMPS's keep manufacturing costs down. On the GR2 they've simply paid more attention to the issues caused by the SMPS -- vibrations and stray noise -- for which there is plenty of technology out there (especially from the medical and scientific fields) that they can rebrand as new and revolutionary. 3) Would be interested to hear how they managed on this upgrade, but would be surprised if it beats an exterior chassis for a toroidal transformer with umbilical linear PSU (off the shelf upgrades can be bought, but this can also be diy'ed). 4) Good news is that the GR mk1 is being reduced. I would expect the SL-1200G (which has exactly the same SMPS in it as the GR1) will get an upgrade soon, at which point we'll also learn about how noisy the PSU was... :)
@@kevinwalker8639 Similar style to a SL-1210 MK7., nothing new. It would be refreshing to see Technics actually change something on the top plate layout, but they won’t because that will cost extra $.
Sorry if I interrupt the magic, I own the GR, my brother took the GR2, in the same room, same system, same cartridge, we didn't notice much difference, in fact almost nothing......
The G has EXACTLY the same SMPS in it as the GR, the one which Technics now admits caused unwanted internal noise and vibration. You can soon expect there to be a G mk2, at which point Kevin will be back here telling you how significantly better it is! Alternatively, look out for good deal on the "old" GR, upgrade the PSU to a linear type and the tonearm too (the PSU and tonearms are the weak links of both the G and GR), and it'll be cheaper and sound better.
@@djsubculture2111 Actually DVS' resolve all sync issues independently of the turntable. My question is whether GR2 suitable for conventional DJing, namely using standard vinyls.
Disappointing that Technics seems to have gone cheap on build quality and quality control compared to the MK2s. Seeing many reviews pointing out issues and yet you have MK2s that have been perfect from new and still running great years later!
Purchased the 1210GR two years ago. Very happy w/ it except for the flashy DJ look. Wish Technics would redesign the exterior to look more like a audiophile turntable.
Hi you’ll notice that this has been asked a lot and unfortunately I am not a DJ so we are refraining from giving an opinion. I am sure in the not too distant future a DJ will get their hands on some and put out a review.
The internal components of the turntable... does it have chips😵💫SMDs 🥶that have short life🤔or the internal components are passive that will last 30+ years?😉
Not sure why you drop comments on the upgrade like: "insane" and "I don't believe you", next to adults behaving childish, this is a rather confusing review!
Beardstroker heaven, will the average ear notice the difference? I'd rather an accessible network of service and upgrade centres, that would be way more "Sustainable"...
Hey! The average ear will absolutely be able to hear the difference without question. Where are you located and maybe I could help you find a service agent?
"It's not cheap but it's nothing in HiFi terminology" is a better way of saying: "You suckers are overpaying because you're stupid and believe everything." Luckily the people in the comments here are a bit smarter than your average audiofool.
I own a pair of GRs and can confirm the pitch is far from accurate. It seems to jump in discrete increments, not even close to the mk2/mk5's pitch accuracy.
They need to make some improvements to the tonearm. It is the weakest aspect of the turntable. A 400 dollar price increase in the USA and no meaningful improvements aside from asthetics.
are you still using 1200s ? as you say been using since 1987 , i bought the 1200 for hifi use as thats what it was intended for and have no complaints or need for the features i just always loved the way that they looked , it was jus by accident that they became dj decks and the most copied piece of hifi equipment ever made
@@alexhudson3574 I was a scratch DJ for a touring band and also a DJ, everything from rave, house, reggae, soul, funk to gabba. At one point I had 5 Technics, I did a few mixes with 5 decks. My set up for years was with 3 decks. Towards the end of my time with the band and DJing,( Im retired now), I switched over to i-phone with a DJ controller which was a revelation, I'll never go back to vinyl, no more jumping needles which was a major headache for me, no more feeding back when you turn up the bass next to loud speakers, and to be honest - the sound quality of vinyl is terrible , even a brand new record you get crackling in the background. Ive still got a pair of Technics, which I mainly use to listen to records before I sell them on discogs. The other good thing about DJing with a i-phone is that when someone asks for a request Ive got access to every song ever made,,and it fits in one hand,,no more heavy ass boxes of vinyl records
Sustainability....seriously ?? They just can't help themselves....love the product, but please, please, please, drop the woke garbage. Enough already 🤮😖
HaHaHaHa 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bit of color change and and has so silent power that it needs a filter.)))) LMFAO. The sad part is that the fan boys take this hook, line and sinker and pay for £400 turntable hugely overpriced price of £1700. Pioneer PLX-1000 for £650 is twice the turntable in every aspect.
I feel like I’m watching an infomercial from the 90’s.
If only!!! I looked wayyyy better in the 90s!! 😂😂
They would be saying they got rid of aerosol in the damping fluid or something so that we all didn't die from acid rain.
But wait, there's more . If you call now and order, we will include a set of kitchen knife's absolutely free.
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@@chuckmaddison2924😂😂😂
Unfortunately the price increase is $400 for North American customers. I'm all for improving a product but these GRs were already considered quiet by most. A price increase of 22% to address a NON-problem and new colors which are not really new (see the existing MK7 for all-black).
This. I see no reason to upgrade from my GR to this, especially considering my GR was made in Japan which I'm not sure this model is.
@@TheHammerofDissidence made in Malaysia,not like the Japanese ones with the wobbly platter problems,there will be no real difference between Japanese made or Malaysian made.
Nice to see Technics still pushing the boundaries on what is essentially over a 100 year old technology 👏 👏
With the revival of CD can we see some of this vibration technology implemented into a 'Reference' CD player in the Technics lineup please ?
Have you ever given the SL-G700m2 a listen I think you’ll probably be surprised!!
@@kevinwalker8639 I have mk1 G700 with AKM DAC's but it would be great to have a 'Reference' CD player / Streamer to match R1000 and SL-1000R.
Great feedback that I am always happy to feed up and let Japan know exactly what our customers ask for!
I don't think that polystyrene is single use.
Most boxes I just toss out, but I always keep turntable boxes.
Because turntables are pain to ship when sold or moved when you move out of the current house.
You’re absolutely correct! We are just trying everything within our power to cut out plastics and polystyrene across all of our products as much as possible. However I can let you know that I have unboxed and reboxed this GR2 at least 5 times now in the new cardboard.
@@kevinwalker8639 Ah okay nice.
Except for the internal improvements, how's the finish of these new ones?
Because from the video it looks quite different for some reason, more silver-like rather than grey-like, compared to the original GR.
Or is that just the lighting?
@@kevinwalker8639
I just got my GR2 this week and I was pleasantly surprised by the clever and excellent packaging. I'm not sure if I will ever have to repack it but I believe i could do it fairly easily.
I wonder if the platter are perfectly straight on this new series. The first GR model, I returned 2 decks because the platters were slightly undulating. For such a price, it was shameful. I finally found an SL1500C with a flat top but that's rare. I'm really surprised that no professional talks about this in the tests, only individuals mention it
YES! As I said in my reply. What a pain it is with this wobble! I'd love a decent technics TT but I can't afford £4000 for the premium model. And testing, packing and returning a TT is time-consuming and annoying. I was even told by the dealer I visited that the wobble on the 1200 GR was 'within manufacturer parameters' or something like that.
@@hobhood7118 Yes, that’s completely scandalous. The oscillation is accepted as compliant. For objects at such prices, we have to stop taking people for idiots. IN fact, this is a turntable to buy in store, by testing the platter carefully. I kept the SL1500C because the platter was good but I have a friend who bought one and it still oscillates. We cannot sell premium with defects like that. Most TH-cam channels advertise, they won't give a flaw. Namely, a second fault is the arm mechanism which for me is less solid and precise than the old MK2s. On my sl 1500C, I had to change it during the warranty because the arm lowered itself in the high position...
yeah that unacceptable. I was nervous when my 1200g arrived but it was perfect. Made in Japan model.
I purchased a pair of 1210GRs late last year. No platter wobble or any other problems. Seems like the issues were with the first batch.
There is new Pro Ject automatic TT with Floating sub-chassis, perhaps there is no wobble, and costs half sl1200gr2
It is Automat A2
ALL I WANT TO KNOW....
is the pitch good for DJ use???
People who complain about the 22% price increase don't seem to understand that the inflation rate since it was introduced is 26% (US). Companies can only eat the increased costs for so long until they have to raise their prices. At least Technics have given us improvements even though they aren't visually obvious. I'm pretty darned happy so far with my SL-1200GR2.
I've been dj'ing with my SL1210s for about 20 years now, never even knew the sound supply made any noise. Hmm.
Well they hafta complain about something, right? Else, you'd not buy a new one, but look for it's predecessor, the table that made them a zizza-gillion dollars.
You know when you spend the first few minutes talking about paper, offer only vague statements, and no easily producible evidence, Technics is damn proud of this innovation and it is not merely terrible salesmen trying to fill as much time as possible.
If Linn went green u would be silent... U wouldn't give a toss about 'evidence' and u would praise Linn for charging 2 Grand for a new motor that cost them 5GBP instead of 4..
@@matthewtaylor7355 Thanks for the dumb response.
100% this is embarrassing this video
This is a beautiful piece of Engineering 🤩
I will stick to my japanese SL-1210GR ❤
These new decks are made in Malaysia?
@@AceTechHD ALL current technics models are made in malaysia.
The Japan decks were made at 2-2 Hiraidekogyodanchi, Utsunomiya, Tochigi
Great video, very informative. Just purchased the 1210GR2 along with a MoFi Master Tracker cartridge, should be a great combo. Thanks again, Technics has the best line of turntables around, cannot go wrong with any of them.
As an Aussie DJ, I love the Technics series of turntables. When fitted with say....an Ortofon Black cartrdge, they sound spectacular.
But will the platter wobble like all the recent previous non-premium Technics TTs? I bought and returned a TS 1000C, a 1500C and tested and rejected 1200GR at a dealer. All the platters had wobble of a few millimetres. Bad luck? Three times over? From three separate dealers? I think Hanpin have some quality issues.
Just got the Hanpin turntable PLX1000 and that is pretty good. Lot better than this Technics. For wobble it is very small. If you concentrate you can just make it out but it is maybe under 0.1mm that on £650 turntable with 14.6 kg weight, less than 0.01 % wow, more than 4.5 kg /cm torque, better insulation than Technics, tonearm better insulated, better sound qualities than Technics ... is almost non excistent but the little dots go a bit up and down not in perfect line. This I have seen on almost all the turntables that the cast is never perfect. But £650 you can't complain about such a small trivial thing. Reloop almost as good as the Pioneer. In every aspect is better compared to Technics. Don't be fooled it might look the same but it is nothing like the Technics inside. I was also looking for some time and comparing. Came to the conclusion that Technics is nothing more than name hugely overpriced.
Thanks for the info. Pioneer highly rated by some reviewers. I've found varying opinions on the ,w&f though.
@@hobhood7118 I've read about that in old reviews. September 2014 the TT was first sold. Maybe there was a problem or not. DJ's that have reviewed the TT never have mentioned anything about it. I can't see any sign about it either. What I have seen is reviews by Technics fan boys giving false information. Beats me why anyone would go to the trouble and do it in purpose. Also there are lot of placebo effect going on with the Technics. But that said maybe there was something at early release but mostly good reviews on sold items. You have to take the reviews with grain of salt when today most have no idea. Transit can loosen the bearing for example and I grew up with vinyl. It is 1 minute job to adjust. But today people are up on arm sending the perfect TT back. To me it is not a fail. Just one example that people are stupid sometimes.
I for one, very much appreciated this discussion. I’ve been set on the 1200g…..
The gr2 looks pretty good and probably better on its own than anything we ran in the 70’s.
I’ll probably get the gr2 with an OM-Black MM cartridge and doubt I’ll be able to discern any difference with the g.
Thanks!
I hopeTechnics give the Dj's something more sturdier than that hollow MK7.
I’m shocked no one has brought a full rubber base to market for the mk7. I would buy 2 instantly
The MK7 should never have been made.
I really do wish the interviewer would have asked how close to the G do these new improvements bring the GR2 sonically? There always was a difference between the two but how much has the gap been closed now?
They have definitely closed the gap between the GR2 and the G would it be enough to stop me buying a G? NO. However if I’d had a GR for several years and lusted are a G and couldn’t quite get there then I’d be very impressed with the step up to the GR2. Hopefully that kind of helps?
@@kevinwalker8639 Yes, it does and confirms my thoughts on the improvements. Thank you!
Interesting that most people are missing the point that this is a Hifi turntable.
Now the question is: Can the upgraded components be swapped in to the standard GR? Replacing the power supply with a linear PSU looks to be pretty easy, if quite expensive (roughly $1000). If the new GR2 PSU and control board could be available for roughly the price difference between the GR and GR2, it help us GR owners not get annoyed with the prospect of having to sell off an older unit for a newer one.
Also, for gods sake stop interrupting each other so much!
My Linear PSU was 50GBP from Ali Express.. 1000 Dollars and u r being ripped off
@@matthewtaylor7355 I'd be skeptical of something that low cost as well, but you're not wrong that the $1k price from the shop I found is excessive. EVERYTHING they sell at that storefront is wildly overpriced. $500 for a good setup with decent fit & finish would probably be reasonable.
@@matthewtaylor7355do you have a link please?
I liked the chrome accents on the GR black model personally. Like the tone arm, 45 adapter, pop up light, strobe light, etc. Adds nice contrast. Also I wish on the 1200 GR2 model the tone arm was polished and not matte and came with a tinted dust cover. Ill get either a GR2 or the G model for my next turntable bit im unsure of what color to get at the moment. Right now I have a black mk5
I hope that the mark 3 has balanced outputs. Although, I'm am still extremely interested.
I'm really tempted to pick up a pair.
Give us a shout I’m sure we can help :)
How is the pitch accuracy? Wondering if there's any chance these can get adopted by DJs looking for a higher quality turntable than the mk7's...
Yeah, good question. Mk2 still the best for DJing
I've the same question, actually. Especially because there are video on YT showing that pitch resolution of the GR is so rough that beat matching is impossible to keep for more than a few seconds.
@@djtahoma lol, sorry but no
@@deepclubus why?
I wish Technics would bring back the EPC-205Cmk3 cartridge or an equivalent new model.
Me too! All they miss now is proper cartridge for their Grand Series Turntables. And I wish it would be EPC-205Cmk5.
Thanks for the feedback I’m happy to feed this up.
I use one Pioneer Plx1000 but feeling to upgrade to
Technics 1200GR2. How much improvement I can
expect?
There's a lot of terms being thrown around to make it seem like they've done something crazy, but power supply noise hasn't really been an issue and you can get a power supply upgrade kit for SL1200 turntables for around €80~€90. The delta sigma drive just sounds fancy, but they don't really explain what it does. Coreless motors have been a thing since the 70s and JVC had budget turntables which had these. My L-F71 has a measured W&F of around 0.02%RMS. When making statements that go like: "the benefits are enormous, I can't tell you how huge the difference it makes, it's insane!" it should be backed up with data, especially if the difference is as huge as you make it out to be.
It’s great that you appreciate the value of the power supply upgrade being nearly half of the increase in price that plus the metal finish on the controls. The new Delta Sigma drive smooths out micro vibrations caused by the motor drive circuit (I am not saying that the GR had significant vibrations in fact they are that minute they don’t show on wow and flutter ratios) these two things together do make a significant sonic improvement so absolutely value for money for the end user.
Can't wait for the "don't buy a GR2 until you've seen this" video
Glad to see Technics saving the planet by using cardboard packaging 😂
The guy immediately points out that the cover is plastic.
Im sure their products are made in a factory powered by unicorn farts and shipped around the world by sailboat and peddle powered trucks too.
But the cardboard, look at the "sustainable" cardboard box 📦
(Ignore the fact that we've been using plastic and styrofoam for our entire existence as a company) look at this cardboard box 😂
yup its beeyond absurd. The plus is total dum dums are starting to realize this its all become so absurd.
Using something like a Denon 103 can be a struggle to get enough head shell mass (or effective tonearm mass I guess) for proper control of the low compliance cartridge. In my experience, I added head shell weight and the supplied extra counter weight to balance or the sound suffered. I bought the DL-103 not realizing how low compliance it is and it sounded awful (noticeably worse than a N97xE or a AT-VM95ML) until I educated myself and applied the tuning above (yes, with appropriate MC Pre). Thought it was the stylus differences but no, for me it was setup. Also, it's worth mentioning something most reviewers tend to miss - the supplied head shell has a set screw which allows for azimuth adjustment. Mine was noticeably off out of the box and the micro-line cartridge sounded very unbalanced until I dialed in the azimuth. I'm not at all a golden ear but I do actually hear the differences with proper set up given all the cartridge and geometry fussing about for setup. I've since bought a bunch of head shells to experiment and realized after the fact most of the cheap ones do not allow azimuth changes - I encourage buying ones which do allow for azimuth adjustment. Absolutely love the TT. Mine did not come with a 3mm spacer as mentioned by some other reviewers, so again - the 103 needs one. The tonearm on the black model is silver not black - doesn't bother me - maybe just a variation on later shipping models since I bought mine roughly Feb 2024. Copied most of this from other videos since I see this info often missing.
Make a turntable with the options to change from Digital Pitch and Analog Pitch Control
Just bought a pair. Now I wait. So excited. Now I'm selling my 50th Anniversary pair in beige.
I really do wish the interviewer would have asked how close to the G do these new improvements bring the GR2 sonically? But the cardboard, look at the "sustainable" cardboard box
Hi sorry you didn’t get an answer to what you were hoping but ……,the GR2 when compared to the GR is sonically much much closer to the G however the G is still a completely different beast. These are significant sonic improvements on what was already a fantastic TT.
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I think audiophiles are more likely than other consumers to keep and pass on their boxes and packing material, as we upgrade over time and sell our old units. I keep all of my equipment boxes because I have the room, but I don’t really keep boxes for anything else I buy because I figure I’m going to run everything else into the ground and then trash a broken/outdated unit.
I couldn’t agree more!! I have every single audio product box (plus camera if I’m honest) and I’m pleased to say that the cardboard has stood up to loads of boxing and unboxing whilst being taken around the country in my car boot.
MK II STILL THE WINNER to DJ
Mk5 is better. Many improvements and still analogue
so the next question would be, when is the 1200G-2 coming out?
...but will there be an SL-1200G2?
Good question
My question too
When your product has changed so little that you grasp for straws trying to hype it up. Hilarious😆
Sorry that’s how it comes across the TT technology enhancements are huge and give the end user significant sonic improvements over the GR and yeah I know it’s a cardboard box but it’s kind of a big deal for us.
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Oh these two guys :D
I hope that technics didn’t think “oh shot we can’t produce Gr at the same price we need to price hike so let’s just put 2 at end and produce a cheaper TT for higher price”.
From all the talk mentioned here didn’t hear anything crucial that makes it better….
The silent power supply is a huge benefit plus the additional noise cancelling then you have the Delta Sigma drive removing micro vibrations not to mention the cosmetic improvements. A price increase would be simple by just adding inflation. Pop down and blind test them when the GR2 is available.
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So they're admitting all their other power supplies are noisy and all their other turntables suffer from vibration issues?
@@kevinwalker8639 the problem is they didn’t specify if it’s linear and we know that their new amps are class d…. So sounds like it a PWM supply with noise cancellation.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596nope what we are saying is with the evolution of technology we have been able to make further improvements on an already excellent product.
@@sats87Technics amps are not Class D they are all fully digital. We are working on some detailed explanations that we can share for those that are interested.
I wish they would re release some of the great auto changers they made in the 80s maybe and updated version? Like the SL1950 for instance, I live in hope.
Still no upgrade to the tonearm lift? It's probably the only thing I dislike about my GR.
let him TALKKKKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!!!!
I wish there wasn’t over talking & interrupting. This looks like a great table
@@TemujinScott80sorry about that it wasn’t a scripted interview we were just overly excited chatting next time we try to structure it more.
I sure hope the cuing lever build and feel has been refined on the gr2. I hope to see a g2 next.
True even on GR1 it doesn't feel too well....
Seems black has changed for Grey let's see if it's only color.
So the GR2 has this new technology but the flagship G over the double the price doesn't?
When does the SL-1200G2 get released?
why? changing perfection? The Japanese ones went up in price so maybe they will now move from Malaysia to Indonesia and sell it as an upgrade? The indonesian coconut oil really smooths out the highs.
My next turntable. Few more euros to go into my “turntable piggy bank” and I will bite the bullet.😅
Is the power supply universal (input voltage)? The US version of the old GR is restricted to 120VAC..
My takeaways from this video:
1) When you start talking about packaging it really gives the game away that there's not much to be seen here.
2) The internal Switch Mode Power Supply (SMPS) in both the G and GR has always been a weak point of the design, but SMPS's keep manufacturing costs down. On the GR2 they've simply paid more attention to the issues caused by the SMPS -- vibrations and stray noise -- for which there is plenty of technology out there (especially from the medical and scientific fields) that they can rebrand as new and revolutionary.
3) Would be interested to hear how they managed on this upgrade, but would be surprised if it beats an exterior chassis for a toroidal transformer with umbilical linear PSU (off the shelf upgrades can be bought, but this can also be diy'ed).
4) Good news is that the GR mk1 is being reduced. I would expect the SL-1200G (which has exactly the same SMPS in it as the GR1) will get an upgrade soon, at which point we'll also learn about how noisy the PSU was...
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Glad to see that not all are fooled.
When will the SL1200G2 come out ?
How do you put the platter on, I can’t get it on, the screws just keep spinning and spinning
Hi what TT do you have?
The platter uses a magnet there are no screws when putting the Mk7, 100C, 1500C,GR or GR2 together.
When can we expect the 1200 G2 release?
Used to be $400 used
The black models should come with a dark tinted cover
Absolutely not.
We don’t do this because most people want to see through it but the GR2 black is now all black so the buttons switches and tonearm are now black.
@@kevinwalker8639 Similar style to a SL-1210 MK7., nothing new. It would be refreshing to see Technics actually change something on the top plate layout, but they won’t because that will cost extra $.
Wish the 1210 GR would come w/ a brass anodized tonearm like the 50th anniversary editions.
No thank you.
Sorry if I interrupt the magic, I own the GR, my brother took the GR2, in the same room, same system, same cartridge, we didn't notice much difference, in fact almost nothing......
I’m about to pull the trigger on a SL-1200G, should I wait? Do these upgrades bring it all that much closer to the G? Love the price, can’t beat that.
In all honesty if I was about to buy a G I would carry on with my plan to buy a G.
@@kevinwalker8639 As would I.
This does not come close to a sl-1200G .
That is the question!!!
The G has EXACTLY the same SMPS in it as the GR, the one which Technics now admits caused unwanted internal noise and vibration.
You can soon expect there to be a G mk2, at which point Kevin will be back here telling you how significantly better it is!
Alternatively, look out for good deal on the "old" GR, upgrade the PSU to a linear type and the tonearm too (the PSU and tonearms are the weak links of both the G and GR), and it'll be cheaper and sound better.
So you spent 4-mins talking about the box. Good job?
Is the GR2 suitable for DJing (given that the GR was repeatedly claimed not to be so)?
I have a pair that I use with Rekordbox DVS, so yes.
@@djsubculture2111 Actually DVS' resolve all sync issues independently of the turntable. My question is whether GR2 suitable for conventional DJing, namely using standard vinyls.
'Everything is silver apart from the VTA ring' the SL-1200G has a silver VTA ring.
I shall wait for the G2 or whatever they end up calling it if not GAE2 ... or whatever next limited edition will be.
Disappointing that Technics seems to have gone cheap on build quality and quality control compared to the MK2s. Seeing many reviews pointing out issues and yet you have MK2s that have been perfect from new and still running great years later!
The most important bit about the box(s) is the safety of the product, not my health.
Why would you care about polystyrene? The packing materials are to be KEPT, not thrown out. So silly, dudes. Turn in your man-cards.
What s differ from the latest sl1210 mk7
Hmm. Does the significantly more expensive SL 1210GAE already include this anti-vibration technology?
Hi when the GAE was produced this technology didn’t exist so it would not have been possible to even consider it.
@@kevinwalker8639 And despite that, does the GAE sound better?
Purchased the 1210GR two years ago. Very happy w/ it except for the flashy DJ look. Wish Technics would redesign the exterior to look more like a audiophile turntable.
What about the G2 model??
I keep the poly for several uses.
Is it possible to deejay on them?
Hi you’ll notice that this has been asked a lot and unfortunately I am not a DJ so we are refraining from giving an opinion. I am sure in the not too distant future a DJ will get their hands on some and put out a review.
The internal components of the turntable... does it have chips😵💫SMDs 🥶that have short life🤔or the internal components are passive that will last 30+ years?😉
You could have reduced the time of this video by half if you just stuck to the facts and eliminated the BS.
Looks exactly like my audio-technica AT-LP120XUSB.
My mates Rolex from Turkey looks just like a real one
Not sure why you drop comments on the upgrade like: "insane" and "I don't believe you", next to adults behaving childish, this is a rather confusing review!
chalk and cheese
£800 more than I paid for my GR(1).
Beardstroker heaven, will the average ear notice the difference? I'd rather an accessible network of service and upgrade centres, that would be way more "Sustainable"...
Hey! The average ear will absolutely be able to hear the difference without question. Where are you located and maybe I could help you find a service agent?
so how many Banks do I have to rob for it this time?
It will retail at £1799 the original retails at £1599 so hopefully only a Piggy Bank!!!
"It's not cheap but it's nothing in HiFi terminology" is a better way of saying: "You suckers are overpaying because you're stupid and believe everything." Luckily the people in the comments here are a bit smarter than your average audiofool.
I also didn't watch the rest of the video after the opening scene
Is this home shopping network?
It’s our retail shop TH-cam channel
Have to have Automatic so my 1600mk2 & MA1 are staying
Horrible review they kept interrupting each other !
For DJ use? have they fixed the weird pitch response that the original GR had which made it useless for professional dj use
I have a pair of 1210GRs, no weird pitch response here.
I own a pair of GRs and can confirm the pitch is far from accurate. It seems to jump in discrete increments, not even close to the mk2/mk5's pitch accuracy.
God I hate how people talk nowadays
Price?😅
2100 american dollars, 1799 british pounds
Is it made in Japan or Malaysia???
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Malaysia. All models. No more japan.
@@JumbleTasteSpinning Not made in Japan? No buy! Plenty of older Japanese 1200s out there!
Time will tell
They need to make some improvements to the tonearm. It is the weakest aspect of the turntable. A 400 dollar price increase in the USA and no meaningful improvements aside from asthetics.
Only 200£ more huh ?? In France the GR2 is 500€ more expensive than the previous GR model 😡👎
does it go +- 50 does it go backwards does it have pitch lock ? the Stanton is miles better. Ive used 1200s since 1987
are you still using 1200s ? as you say been using since 1987 , i bought the 1200 for hifi use as thats what it was intended for and have no complaints or need for the features i just always loved the way that they looked , it was jus by accident that they became dj decks and the most copied piece of hifi equipment ever made
Stanton is just another Super OEM deck.
@@djsubculture2111 the Stantons are rock solid too, even heavier than 1200s,,for a scratch DJ thats the most important thing
@@alexhudson3574 I was a scratch DJ for a touring band and also a DJ, everything from rave, house, reggae, soul, funk to gabba. At one point I had 5 Technics, I did a few mixes with 5 decks. My set up for years was with 3 decks. Towards the end of my time with the band and DJing,( Im retired now), I switched over to i-phone with a DJ controller which was a revelation, I'll never go back to vinyl, no more jumping needles which was a major headache for me, no more feeding back when you turn up the bass next to loud speakers, and to be honest - the sound quality of vinyl is terrible , even a brand new record you get crackling in the background. Ive still got a pair of Technics, which I mainly use to listen to records before I sell them on discogs. The other good thing about DJing with a i-phone is that when someone asks for a request Ive got access to every song ever made,,and it fits in one hand,,no more heavy ass boxes of vinyl records
@@alexhudson3574 senserawe is my other channel, sorry for any confusion,,the band I was in was called Senser
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Hey! No it’s aimed at the consumer audiophile market not the the commercial market.
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WHOOSH! LOL 😂
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with all due respect, I found it difficult to enjoy this interview due to the rate of interruptions by the interviewer.
be nice if they didn't interrupt each other, especially the American guy..
2 minutes talking about cardboard? 😅
I want the polystyrene, it allows me to move the bloody thing. I dont want this nonsense.
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Sustainability....seriously ??
They just can't help themselves....love the product, but please, please, please, drop the woke garbage. Enough already 🤮😖
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nice table... terrible review
What a load of BS at the end, I’m sorry to say this.
HaHaHaHa 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bit of color change and and has so silent power that it needs a filter.)))) LMFAO. The sad part is that the fan boys take this hook, line and sinker and pay for £400 turntable hugely overpriced price of £1700. Pioneer PLX-1000 for £650 is twice the turntable in every aspect.
Bla bla bla bla its an upgrade to earn more money😢