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The Amazing Technics SL-1200G - Best Turntable Under $10K!
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00:00 Intro
01:29 Technics Models
03:16 How to Purchase
03:57 Intro and Features
05:33 Why a Removable Head Shell
08:52 Platter Construction
12:54 Plinth Construction
14:44 Connections
16:42 Specs
18:54 Controls
20:52 Upgrades
24:01 Setup and Calibration
27:18 Mounting the Cartridge
30:12 Setting the Tracking Force
33:30 Setting the VTA
35:12 Setting the Azimuth
36:21 Setting the Anti Skate
37:42 SkyFi Calibration
39:45 Final Words
For 78 rpm folks, that variable speed slider is a godsend. According to the late great 78 collector, Joe Bussard, records made prior to about 1930 were recorded at speeds slightly below 78. The slider lets us play 78s at the proper speed as needed. These are great turntables in my opinion. Thanks for posting this and taking these tables seriously.
This turntable and cartridge combo is my next analog purchase for sure. Thanks for sharing!
You will love it !!. Keep in mind to match the phono cartridge to the optimum phono preamp (or settings on current phono preamp)
Love this turntable - thanks for the great review. Appreciate the basic setup procedures too.
Glad it was helpful!
My first turntable was the Technics
SL-230. I bought it in 1978 and had it until 2001. It was an amazing turntable. After that I bought the Denon DP-62-L. Which is an extremely remarkable turntable.
I've had a 1200G for several years and agree it's an amazing turntable. Last year I tried different arms with it and settled with a Funk FX3, it was transformative. Good as the stock arm is, I believe it's the weak link. I now use my turntable with a van den Hul Crimson and it's the best vinyl replay I've had here. Not the most expensive, though....
Not sure about others, but $1k and above gear is well beyond “entry level” for me.
While Technics makes good tables at many price ranges, there is nothing under $1000 unfortunately.
Of course it is entry level, above 1000$ is the entry level of not getting enough return for your money. Above the line of I will look on the used market 😂
I got my whole system for $1k. Used technics 1200, pioneer sx 780 and some Koss 1020 speakers. Sounds 👌 to me. Still plenty of used 1200 mkii turntables out there.
@@sethallison5682I understand your point, but if you listen to the good stuff you'd understand that your system isn't very good.
What’s wrong with you man .. sell a kidney.. put the kids out to work …
😂
Great review.
I have the 1210GR and i think it's amazing as well, no upgrade for the G needed.
the G is amazing, but i think the GR is the sweet spot for what you get for the money.
They really are great machine , I had an 80s 1200, and the quality plus machine work was top tier . The counterweight for the arm alone was beautifully made.
The GR was my goto table for some time, thought it would be hard to improve and I only saw the G in pictures and videos. Once I got my hands on the G it was in love a first sight, there are so many nice things about the way it operates and feels that is hard to capture in a video. If you have a chance to see one in person be sure to do so.
Same! Love my GR
I think it’s worth the price. I’m still rocking a 1978 Techniques SL 3300 fully automatic. And that was just a basically an entry-level back in 1978. The one in this video will absolutely last well over 50 years, and if you look at how it was manufactured, the materials are top notch.
I have a 1200 MKII, 1200GR and 1200G. I can tell you the G is a lot better than the GR and well worth the money.
Rega P6, P8, P10 and Ania are all examples of belt-driven turntables that don’t rely on the A/C frequency (which no t above $2k should) but have a sophisticated speed control in the external but fully integrated Neo power and speed control unit.
You wouldn't believe it, but I had a 80s 1200 system I built up with semi good products from charity and second-hand shops around 1995.
I moved to York from Leeds UK and had a nervous breakdown and returned to my parent house . When moving out, I gave away my system to a neighbour as I clearly wasn't thinking straight due to illness .
The app I had is worth some 2k now ,speakers 800 plus ,cd 300, and said record deck, which was in perfect condition as I really took care of my system .
Now fully well and helping others in charity work now and still think about that system.
The thing is, the family I gave it to didn't have records or really showed appreciation plus didn't understand the quality of system I gave .
Most all was top tier 15 years earlier.
what do you call a 1200 system ,i also have lot´s of technics components mainly from the 70´s and some from the 80´s ,so i know people call diferent names to series or references, the reason why i´m curious
@RUfromthe40s Oh , I meant deck Techniques Sl1200 mk2 record deck. Loved that thing.
Had a whardale 30d for the middle/high plus two old sonys three-way large box on stands, plus I built amp at collage for a 15" bass sub in a guitar speaker in the box . I build across overs in a neat box with some old volume buttons to Variable the middle / Treble.
I also used many older amps as we had a charity shop that sold lots of them ,back them they were £20 - 40, so I tried a good few .. I bought a nad 3020 later of just the just two of the setup I build. .
I tuned, said set up over the years, and built a power house and good quality.
Lately, I bought a pre Myryad pre T40 / T60 Amplifiers power , some tannoy Bronze B2 and a sony cinema amp and the full tannoy 5.1 set up also some whardale 30d as they is something special about them .
I also had some Pioneer hpm 700s , technics sc1000 a 1000 .. The amp is my biggest regret for sure and speakers.
@@itisjustacomment i have also some integrated amplifiers and a power amplifier and pre ,a reel to reel deck also some speakers, 4 pairs(two pairs are SB-F3 from 79, some don´t like them but with a 70´s amplifier or receiver they sound amazing) and 7 technics turntables, but sold for 500€ in 2009 two SL-1200MKII with original cartridges and stylus still closed on the box because i was using shure professional needles and two concorde stylus that had almost no use, at the time now one wanted SL-1200 for not having auto-return and i have a personalized SP-10 ,a 79 SL-1000mkII , a SL-1200(72) ,a SL-1510(76/77) ,a SL-3310(76), SL-3100(76), SL-5000(kind of the same as the SL-3310 but with quartz lock and more modern keys), and from the 80´s a SL-M1(i had put wrongly a 5 here) with A series pre and power amplifier ,most of them were ofered by family or friends, and some were from a radio station i started in 1970, that started with garrard and thorens professional line from late 60´s that i kept one of each in two studios we had, i colect hi-fi components so i own a lot more than this, mainly pioneer and new acoustic dimention (NAD, from the 70´s), Revox/studer, accuphase , phase linear , dynaco, elac, hitachi, nakamichi, toshiba/aurex, optonica from sharp, kenwood, luxman, rotel, denon, sony, and several european brands, that i had in my city a entire building neighborhood with german young families that worked in a nato airforce field 4km´s from the city where i live and when returning home they sold all very cheap, there are incredible components from Philips, schneider, blaupunkt, telefunken, normende, grundig, dual, basf, and sae, crown, hh scott ,this last 3 from the U.S. also proton, vector research, i almost forget mitsubishi, i have a entire room with shelfs all around and a wooden table in the midle with also lot´s of components ,where i have some tools to make some easy repair, i also colect cars ,some prefer stamps or coins i colect hi-fi gear also music in diferent formats, mainly records and cds, what can i say, first was just because i couldn´t see this or that thrown to the garbage than i bought a bigger home and my better half stoped shouting at me, and the kids already went to their lifes so i have two empty rooms,lets see maybe i get one and my 5th wife get´s another, but i married and have children with only number 1 and 5 this till i was 50 and some two years ago after noticing that my diesel mercedes from 2015 had written in the doors metal tweeters a brand that i had never heard talking about "burmester" i went to their site and saw their top system that seemed good to me ,so i for the first time bought a entire system from burmester two years ago and they came from germany to install all to perfection and i paid only with three sources turntable , cd player and media center to digital formats and streaming services, 140.000€ , i thought that i will not take it with me when going down under not New Zeland or Australia, but hell where most of my friends and girl friends are for sure, and because i live in the most hot region of Europe ,before dry heat now with the biggest artificial lake of Europe lot´s of humidity, so i guess i´ll feel at home there, might not be so bad from what i´ve heard from priests ,i grew up in a catholic school, all that is cool is in hell, it sounds refreshing, maybe i´ll watch again Boham Carter making nice drum solo´s and maybe in some years all Led Zeppelin are reunited there, sorry for the long coment, i think this happens with age, i´m not that old my father passed away for making exams in the hospital that make him die sooner ,he was 97 years old and had a active life.
@@itisjustacomment i used to combine some big speakers cs from pioneer with wide woofer putting a studio monitor from yamaha on top for all frequencies to be heard or the much possible, with a A-717MKII from pioneer 94 release the MKI is a 88, this using a elac turntable and a cd player from technics the one before the top end in 89 also a md 1500 from denon and a CT-93 pioneer deck ,using a 80´s kenwood equalizer that had reverberation included
Truly a thing of beauty, i have a GR and love it!!
Nice choice. What cartridge?
@@SkyFiAudio Dynavector 20x2
Thanks for the review and setup process. I have this table in black and absolutely love it. Fitted it with an AT ART-9XA and have never been happier. Now I need (want) to do the fluid damper upgrade. Hell of a view you've got there!
Thanks Eric. Enjoying the view and the great lighting for videos. The fluid upgrade is super simple and satisfying.
Thank you very much for producing this informative documentary for the Technics SL-1200G turntables.
A+++
Stephan Ðoyon.
I own the SL-1200MK2 ,great turnatable,solid luke a rock!!!
I have owned Technics turntables since 1981. When most of the “opinionated” know it alls here began to eat their Cheerios in their trainer Pampers in front of the TV for Saturday morning cartoons. Today, after my husband died 3 years ago, bought an SL-1210 GR. I made some customizations to it that makes it unnecessary for now to buy a more expensive model.
I'm glad Technics sees the benefit of engineering to reduce/eliminate cogging, even if you don't believe in it. 😇 Seeing that motor spin so smoothly is actually very impressive.
A long time ago I used to own the Technics SL-1200 MK II. As much as I like it (A lot), in terms of audio quality my next turntable the Voyd The Valdi wiped the floor with it.
Best under 10K is a bold statement and hard to believe.
especially with superb turntables from VPI, Roksan, Avid, SME, Michell, Origin Live etc.
My Technics GR turntable is far weightier than my Michell Gyro Dec.... Which is overhyped crap
Thanks for sharing! Which of those specifically do you think is a better table?
I bought one of these as soon as it was released and I really liked it but it couldn’t match the soundstage and space as my LP12 so I sold it after a few months. I even tried different cartridges, At-33ptg/ii and Lyra Delos.
I wouldn’t mind another one for mono and 78 use though.
I love my Quartz Lock ST- 1400 mk2. Am a Canada.
I owned two SL 1200's back in my DJ days and boy do I wish I'd kept them as their value has skyrocketed. Great machines, unmatched by Numark at the time anyway.
Couldn't agree more! Many have tried to copy the SL1200 without luck. They look the same but built very differently.
Hi, great example of a basic setup and beautiful workshop equipment 👍 I own a SL-Q3 automatic in black and a few months ago while cleaning it I found that the rubber pad on the motor plate had hardened to stone - have you ever seen this? Here in the Czech Republic, I have not yet been able to find a new original one.
Nice day 🙂 Tom
As an ex-Audiophile and retired DJ of over 40 years I have never been impressed by Technics for reference level vinyl replay. The elephant in the room for me on all Technics 1200 series turntables including this is the pitch control! In all my decades of reference vinyl listening I have never had the need to adjust pitch, not even had a thought when listening to my decks of choice that, I wish I had pitch control. Now DJ’ing, I couldn’t live without it. It’s a pity in my honest opinion Technics didn’t come in with some models without pitch control between the 1500 and SP model.
Just my two cents worth, it’s all personal choice at the end of the day.
I appreciate your request and you are not alone. I will relay this back to Technics in our next meeting. I bet they are tired of hearing it. :-).
@@SkyFiAudiothey’d be foolish to remove the pitch adjust as many people like to use these for playing back 78's where the speed isn’t necessarily 78.
Hi Fernando. I have a 1210G that massively distorts the sound and booms the bass if I play records with the dust cover up (yes, up). It didn't do this until I had it professionally upgraded. Upgrades are Precision Sound Lab XLR outputs (soldered in), Precision Sound Lab EPS-01 Mark II linear power supply, and the KAB fluid dampener.
Components installed prior to the upgrades are the Ortofon Cadenza Black cartridge with Ortofon LH-6000 head shell, and The Perfect Interface Carbon Edition platter mat. Cables are Mogami Gold XLRs, and I use a 768-gram puck by Fluance.
After moving to a different state, I took the 1210G, all its parts, and the amp (Technics SU-R1000) to a different pro repair shop for troubleshooting...and they could not replicate the problem after they'd had the system for weeks.
Any ideas what the issue might be? The second pro shop specialist calibrated the 'table, and verified that all of the upgrades were installed properly. Thanks!
You should always take off the dust cover when using. When it's up it acts like a sail or microphone picking up all the sound waves that travel through the air. On the modified SL1200's we've sold over the years I would always toss out the hinges to make sure nobody used it with the cover installed.
I had a simple problem my ground wasn't the best, which, when grounded well, it sounded lovely .
I rambert bought a £350 needle at the time in 1995 and fixed it, and the sound was awful. But as stated, it was a grounding issue
Have you ever thought of taking the dusk cover off while playing records. They aren't designed for the weight of the lid to be up and weight transfer all to be at the rear.
Plus, the vibration from the lid and making the front lighter doesn't help.
@@SkyFiAudio Thanks for the reply! I should have said "off" instead of "up." I always remove the dust cover before playing. It's bizarre.
@@itisjustacomment I ran extension cords from different parts of the house to the turntable's power unit (and the amp) to check for that very thing. No help. I guess the entire house's electrical ground could be bad, but the XLRs negate the need to connect the ground cable to the amp. I switched out XLRs as well to no avail.
No question, the SL-1200G is an excellent deck, one of the best! I spent time with it and the Rega P10 and went with the latter. More dynamic and transparent, better low end punch, but its all subjective to one's ear.
Thanks! What cartridge are you using with it Nicholas?
@@SkyFiAudio I’ve tried a few, but currently have the Hana umami red. It’s everything the reviews say it is. To be fair, I haven’t heard the SL-1200G with the red cartridge.
@@SkyFiAudio here’s a really nice review Jason Kennedy did on the new Rega Naia, which is their new reference built to improve on the qualities of the P10.
th-cam.com/video/2B2uS9No9x8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sgOe8nlvkj8F4YCe
Great overview and setup vid of this table. Great job.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@SkyFiAudio Have you ever or would you make a video showing us your personal home system? You get so many things to choose from it would be interesting to see what you select.
I started making one featuring 3 systems but they keep changing so quickly that it felt like miss information. I'm mostly into Nagra and vintage stuff. I will get it done some day, thanks for asking.
I would argue that an SL-1500C is more than an entry level turntable. In the line you showed here, it certainly is, but that is relative, and is more than such in the world of turntables overall.
I certainly agree the G is wonderful. I agree with all you mentioned about upgrades. Trying different mats is worthwhile. The change in sound from a mat can be quite noticeable. If one were to record transfers of the same record with different mats and everything else the same, the changes in sound are verifiable that way.
I must admit I dont have much experience with the SL1500C. I have one coming to me this week and will review it as well. Im hearing many folks mention mats. Which one specifically gave you the best results?
@@SkyFiAudio I do not own one of these, but I admire them and their performance.
I have heard mat tests (for lack of a better term done) with turntables where all that was changed was the mat, and they usually each had a personality.
@SkyFiAudio I'm a fan of the Collaro mat on my 1200G. I've also tried the Funk and Origin Live mats, they're both better than stock, but the Collaro really opens the music up and gives the different elements space to breathe.
Thank you Fernando for the most insightful description of the technics turntable. I will consider purchasing from your shop to include a Sumiko but I will budget for a less expensive cart within the oyster series for the SL 1200 gr2.
Got the Reloop Rp7000M2 fantastic tank of a turntable for the money.Love it.a great hifi turntable 👍😊
Great to hear!
Some belt drive turntables do monitor the speed but not all.
The early 1200G's had a label on the underside of the platter that actually said 'BALANCED'.
I also own an SL-1200G for about 6 years now.
Technics' biggest mistake was to call it a 1200 and make it look like a 1200.
It's in no way anything like the original 1200s, it's way heavier, more solid, more accurate and a true hifi turntable.
The original 1200s are no match for this one, but still people tend to compare it with the legacy 1200s... which is why this 1200G is HEAVILY underestimated...
Oh and btw, you can get plenty of armboards for this turntable, so you can upgrade the tonearm.
The stock tonearm is already way better than that of the other 1200s, but I've put an SME V on mine and that's even better.
It's spinning so accurately, noise free, it's so solid and well isolated, that it's a great platform for highend tonearms.
11:45 The switch to the right of the "update" USB port is to change the light color. It's a hidden feature not mentioned in the manual. A lot of people don't know about it.
12:18 After 6 years of use of mine, I still have the brass on my platter in perfect condition, except for some slight darkening on the edge where the platter mat doesn't cover it (probably from touching it).
Wow, thanks for the color change button tip, wish I had known that during the video, would have made me look super clever :-). I agree that the look is too similar to the original but than again the sales numbers are staggering so Technics clearly knows something we dont. With regards to the platter stain I suspect a bit of Brasso cleaner would remedy this but I did not want to try it since I dont own this table. When I get mine I will likely clear coat it.
@@SkyFiAudio What's clear coat?
Some kind of paint?
Besides the great performance, the ease of use is a big plus for me..
It's by far the easiest table to setup properly, plus it holds its settings in shipping.
J'ai remplacé en Décembre 2023 ma Technics SL-1200 MK2 avec une SL1200-G, et j'en suis très satisfait. Je l'ai acquise avant l'augmentation du prix de vente.
Wonderful presentation. If I was in the US I would buy from YOU! Pretty hard to upgrade this turntable, but I will give it a go. 1. The headshell; an ebony headshell is a tiny upgrade. Don't do this straight away, but after, say, a year of use an upgrade to a hardwood headshell will notice a slightly more organic sound. Oboes, Clarinets, black piano keys on pianos are made from the stuff. 2. A record stabiliser is generally a good idea. It is another mild upgrade. The Michel helps with slightly warped records (never play a seriously warped record). Another option is an ebony stabiliser. 3. Feet. The feet on an SL1200 are appalling and simply must be changed. This unit has decent feet. One of the fundamentals of vinyl play is the avoidance of external vibration. A couple of good options are the Isonoe Feet - essentially mini trampolines. I have also used some maglev feet (from Ali Express). I shake my head how such engineering can be so cheap. Go China! Oops did I really just say that?
Next: not really upgrades but some options. 4. Mass. Best practice is to mount the the unit on a heavy bass. I place my turntables on a 3 cm slab of granite (ebony, mpingo etc would be better).
5. Damping. This can be done with Dynamat. This miraculous substance is used in trucks to make the life of long haul drivers bearable. It is NOT pretty. But if placed out of sight it again mitigates the dark and evil forces of vibration and resonance. 6. Cartridge: With this level of turntable you simply should not get a cheap cartridge. This is where the rubber meets the road. For starters this level of TT demands a Moving Coil cartridge. I have not heard Sumiko but Audio Technica offer fabulous value. (As an aside for neophytes who want to do set-up themselves - get an elliptical cartridge as it will be more forgiving of imperfect set-up). 7. Setup. Words cannot describe how important this this. There are too many variables to mention. If you know how to do it - welcome to the club. If you do not know how to do it - get SkyFi to do it. If you are in doubt as to your abilities still go for a professional ... I did it myself and suffered :-> But coming out the other end I have learned from my mistakes and now counsel others.
Who am I? A Hi-Fi nerd - I have a Technics SL1210 Mk5g in my lawyers office, would you believe!
Wow thanks for all this great input sir. I found it valuable
specially about the cartridge selection.
@@SkyFiAudio Thanks, especially the 'sir' bit! I am mainly a digital dude, but love my turntables, fountain pens, wind-up manual watches. Heck, I even have a friend who has a small sheep farm and prefers a horse to a quad-bike. Best wishes from NZ.
Verry good and interesting. I love this turntable- Thanks
Sumiko recommends to set the antiskating to around 1,3g. Have you made a better experience setting it to 2g?
That mat really dresses down the turntable
Thanks for the great review!
Very informative video with excellent suggestions for turntable set up and purchase. Thanks!
1) I feel like the DJ look holds back a lot of buyers. It just needs the pitch control and strobe and platter dots removed. 2) When you are trying to adjust the azimuth, I think its better to loosen the headshell collar and turn and hold the headshell and then tighten the collar. Ultimately its going to just go back to where it wants to be anyway, so I'd go with a headshell with adjustable azimuth instead. 3) Record weights are bogus. You are putting too much weight on the bearing of the turntable, increasing friction and noise for no reason. Go flatten your records or buy a turntable with a threaded spindle and clamp that screws on if you need that. Don't overload the tiny thrust bearing with a bowling ball.
I agree on the slider although I wouldn't mind keeping the strobe as it's so cool to watch, just for confirmation. Thanks for the tip, should have loosed the collar. I have been told by Technics that the motor is designed to handle a certain weight clamp, knowing that many folks will want to use one, so it's safe to put one on. My records aren't that great so I will be using one.
@@SkyFiAudio The SL-1000RE-S has the looks right. Maybe just a touch on the expensive side for the 99%.
I could only afford the GR and it totally satisfies. Thing is I only have a few records that are sans pop and crackle. That shortcoming is so distracting that for the most part I have abandoned record play for hi-res Apple Music. At any rate, i suspect that the G’s might inspire a feeling for getting the best experience but I’m not that OCD to buy into it.
Nice review. Most of the time the G model is back ordered as you noted.
We get a new shipment every few weeks so at least they are coming in steadily. There is great demand so there is a wait just about everywhere.
@@SkyFiAudio yes, same seems to be true at any dealer with the 1200GS and the 1000R. Both are on backorder.
I wonder how it'd compare in my set up vs my hot rod 1200
The weight difference and build quality is substantial. I would love to listen side by side. At high volume I bet it would measurably outperform it.
How are the motors different in the SP-10RE-S, SL-1200G-S, and SL-1500C-K? Technics gives vague descriptions of each motor. I know the SP10 has a double coil twin rotor-type coreless direct drive motor, coils on both sides for 12-pole, 18-coil drive but the rest of the line is vague, only describing them as coreless. I have experienced the SP-10RE-S setup and can attest to its speed stability. I watched the strobe on it for at least five minutes, trying not to waiver and it's the first time that I have ever seen a direct drive table not drift. Not a bit! Something none of the older Technics ever do. Every freaking DD-turntable I've ever seen drifts some. Everyone before this one, so how far down the line can you go that has that kind of stability?
The motor on the G and SL1000 is very different and utilize the twin rotor. I believe the rest of the tables use a single rotor of similar design. Frankly I find all modern units to be rock solid and have never seen or measured any drift.
Great Review! I've had my 1200G for about 2 years now and absolutely love it! I'm using a Hana ML cartridge. After watching your video, I may have you do a calibration and alignment. I'm just not sure if I want to go through the shipping?
Great to hear! Im calibrating A Hana ML next week. Email me and I'll let you know how it went and give you some tips.
For old 80 RPM, we need the pitch to adjust from 78 RPM...
Nicely done Fernando!
Thanks a lot!
Curious to know what you recommend for record cleaning. Thanks for the great vids!
At the shop we use a Project vacuum machine. Does a good job and is nicely built. You can find them on our website if interested.
Great review and setup demonstration. Thank you as this turntable is on my shortlist down here in Australia 👍😎
Glad it was helpful Rob. Keep in touch if you end up getting one.
I intend to as this is at this stage on top of my list. Hopefully they also have a good external phono stage and maybe power supply. Thanks Fernando 😎👍 You videos are always comprehensive @@SkyFiAudio
Very happy with my 1500C (w 2M Blue), did choose it based on price and less of a DJ look but sure I am dreaming of a 1200 😃
Good choice, better than most at that price range. Keep the dream alive!
at least the SL-1500c as auto-return and in sound quality all depends on the cartridge you have, but this installing it well,to avoid exterior problems related with static, humidity ,dust ,etc., i guess you already choose well
Is it a good idea to tap your finger on the tone are like the review did?
Nice, very easy to use, good looking turntable, I had one years ago, I liked it, lot of fun, an eye turner, its loud and boisterous in its appearance, however, sometime in the early 2000s it was showing its age, still worked but it sounded tired, I auditioned a Rega Planar 3, not nearly as cosmetically intrusive, very understated, I wasn't sure I liked the look of the Planar 3, however, on listening I was hooked, completely new level of sound, I felt I had a new record collection, it not only sounded different to my technics, it sounded better in every way, subjective stuff, my opinion is just my opinion, as is this video here, if you are in the market here for a new turntable and might be considering the SL1200, do yourself a favour, listen to the Planar 3, you are in for a pleasant surprise.
I can appreciate the engineering, and while $5k is a lot of money, its very sane compared to some of the nutty turntables out there. One thing I don't understand is if a) this is designed for the audiophile and b) the speed control is so precise, then why does it need the pitch control? Makes it look like a DJ table and ruins the aesthetic in my opinion. I think if Techniques offered this table without the pitch control and with a nice wood plinth similar to the old Denon direct drives... something that really looks like an audiophile piece, they would see sales skyrocket further. Its a mystery to me why they've never done this.
Many folks agree with you but for some reason they refuse to remove the pitch control. It doest bother me since it has a button to bypass the feature altogether. A wood plinth would be nice, I designed and built a prototype but I got distracted and didn't quite take it to the next step.
@@SkyFiAudio I think the plinth would be a winner!
I think something that seemingly always goes unmentioned regarding a benefit of pitch control is that since these tables have 78 rpm capability, pitch control can be invaluable. Way back in the ancient times (LOL!) 78 rpm was at times an estimate at best. There really was no hardline standard. Some “78 rpm” were recorded at 65, some at 88, etc. With the pitch control 2x capability, you can dial in anything 👍
@@saford13 Yes, but 78s pre-date the modern concept of stereo hifi. The buyer of this table is primarily interested in stereo hifi. So my argument, now that you’ve pointed it out, is that both the pitch control and the 78 speed selection are unnecessary for the vast majority of targeted users.
Even the SL1000R has pitch control. It's just not on the platter, its on the separate control unit
Nice but love old Technics 1600 Mk2 automatic. Just got a Technics M1A. Beautiful
Review is done by someone independent, not a salesman. This is a commercial.
Yes, I have a vested interest in this brand and model, be sure to watch other reviews to get a well balance opinion. I bet you land in the same place :-).
The 1200G has been around for several years. I am anticipating that the G2 is coming out soon, just like the GR2s ?
I just got the SL-1210GR new at a great discount (Since the GR2 is out) It’s an incredible option if you can’t pick up the G! Just getting into it and optimizing sound & setup. Running an Ortofon Blue now but looking to purchase a Nagaoka MP-200 or 300 to swap out in the future. I’d like to do business w SkyFi- I’ve heard good things about you guys!
Very nice! We have a pair of GRs in stock for anyone looking for a nice discount also. Dont have access to those cartridges but if you consider Sumiko we can help. Cheers.
Same here, got mine just before the GR2 was released. I love it, and I don't feel the need to jump up to the 1200G. I paired mine with the AT-VM540ML cartridge and it sounds fantastic.
@@SkyFiAudio Do you still have an GRs at a discount? Very interested in one but didn’t see anything on your website. Thx
Good Review. I use the 1200 series for my DJing. Starting Torque 2.2 kg-cm is average compared to other DJ turntablesI own and use. For a true audiophile enthusiast like me, the 1500 C would be a better choice, clean and sleek.
Agreed. Video on the 1500C coming soon.
On my 1200g my counterweight is always off compared to my digital scale it’s usually underweight on the counterweight I always check with my ortofon ds3 weight. I cleaned the oil off on the counterweight when I bought it can that be the issue ? And what oil can I use to add oil if needed please
Love this, but not up to the advertised specs….perhaps lack of QC ?
Dam it Fernando! Now that I have seen your Nagra MSA Amplifier I want one but can not find one :(
Going back to your point about cogging, it is definitely a thing, but you would never hear it on this turntable. If you buy the audio technica knock off of this, you will definitely hear the motor cogging and that’s why I ended up returning it. It was horrible to the point where you could even hear it in videos when I recorded a video for my TH-cam channel.
Now the high quality machines that you sell, you’re never gonna hear it. It’s never going to be an issue, but you will definitely hear it on cheaper direct drive turntables, or at least on the audio technical. I’ve never heard it before until I purchased the audio tech
Hey Fernando, Thank you very much for the Review👍
For using the SH 50P1 it is necessary to fix it with the hole on its backside on the plate axle. Greetings Thomas
Thanks for the info Thomas! Understood
I love my 1210 g i have the Grado master 3 on it .. and a parasound JC3+
How was the setup on the Grado? Did you have to dial in much anti-skate?
Great review and everyone pleasure support local small business
Very excellent TT
Thanks for the informative video. And what a marvel of engineering! I’m planning to buy this table. Also have two questions:
1- Where is this table made in? Malaysia or Japan?
2- Is it’s tonearm automatic?( Does it auto-reject when it reaches the center of the record?)
1. Factory moved to Malaysia a few years back. Haven't noticed any changes in quality, just more production output which is needed.
2. No lifter on this version, you would need the entry level SL1500C. Cheers.
Excellent Turn Table. I love it. Can you send it to me in India
Bello.💯💯💯💯💯💯
without doubt a market leading product , and for good reason. but it just doesn't have the soundstage that makes better turntables so wonderful , if you are into that invisible speakers type of thing.
Definitely gonna be a fun one
im in jersey do you fix technic turntables?
The strobe light on the left, is that actually strobing, or is it solid? I thought in the old days, that was just a regular light, and the markings on the platter were for 33 and 45 rpm, at 50 and 60 hz. But the light here looking strobing, with the markings for slower or faster speeds.
Yes the led is strobing and reflecting off the dots on the platter. It's actually a lot smarter than the old days which relied on the frequency of 60hz from the power company. No matter what speed, the same dots are used to show locked position with the other rows showing +- deviation. Very smart.
Would the 50-year old SME 3009S2i tonearm be an upgrade on this turntable over its stock magnesium tonearm?
I doubt it. The stock arm is a lovely thing, carefully assembled by hand. It doesn't have some flimsy headshell full of holes, 50 year old horizontal bearings and sloppy nylon knife edges for the vertical bearing. If you wanted to replace the arm with an SME, I think a 309 is the minimum. Mate of mine has a IV and it sounds very good indeed.
@SkyFiAudio btw, will you be doing a review of the Technics su r1000 amplifier any time soon? Thanks.
That's the plan!
What a great video, thank you.....
I think the 1200g is the coolest turntable available and noticed you went with a pretty nice Sumiko MC cartridge.
Have you tried Ortofon 2M-Black MM? Or do you think its a better fit with the 1200gr2?
Either way, I'm happy to see you carry these turntables....
Thanks for watching! I think this table deserves an MC cartridge. Perhaps the Ortofon is more suited for the GR2.
I like the Starling from Sumiko mostly because it uses a boron cantilever and a micro ridge stylus. Most good manufacturers including Ortofon and Hana make some sort of equivalent so those would also be good. It's also in the right price/performance category for the G.
I'm sure you don't know but Funk Firm will show you that mats matter in fact mats are critical.. Their feet are incredible..Go look a Funk aka Pink Triangle of old and they do a 30K arm as good as SAT if not better
Is that a massive Lego Technics set in the background?
Switched-mode power supplies, miniaturized surface-mounted components (SMDs): when they break down, nobody wants to fix them, and they just go to waste ? 🤥
For that reason alone, I'm keeping my 1200 MK-2, because any electrician with a soldering iron can fix it ! 😉
Thank you for the advice
No problem!
Fab table but if I was going to drop that kind of cash I would pass. I loath that pitch control slider and I don’t think I’m alone. The “entry” model is much cleaner and more pleasing to look at. I don’t get it. Thanks for the vid. Great as usual.
Fair enough! Folks have been asking to drop the pitch control for some time. I will remind them of it.
I'm an audiophile on a fixed income, you can imagine what kind of nightmare that is!😮
Thanks for the review. Waiting for Technics to upgrade the motor control system to the same sigma drive of the 1200GR2. Any sense for when the upgraded 1200G will come out?
Im gonna ask. hang on.
I wanna know this too
@@SkyFiAudioAny updates on a potential G2?
Curious which cartridge you recommend for the 1500C since it has a different tone arm? Nice to find a place in addition to KAB who likes Technics turntables.
I think the Sumiko Blue Point No. 3 would be a nice choice. Low or high output, depending on your pre.
@@SkyFiAudioSo, for a deck that’s $4,200 you recommend an upper-starter cartridge that’s only about 10% of the 1200G investment? That’s quite a radical rate that goes against what most dealers recommend in terms of balancing their investment between table, tonearm and cartridge.
That is a very nice table for sure. I'd love to have one.
I am not trying to be derisive but for those of us not able to afford such turntables isn't a basic used 1200 'good'?
I have an old Technics 1800 mk I, in mint condition, has never been worked on and keeps perfect speed. The only shortcoming is the arm, which is good but could be better.
I have some of those audiophile heavy platter turntable with out-board motors and oil damped tonearms but I prefer my more basic tables like the above mentioned 1800 or my older AR table. I don't like overly delicate turntables. Technics make tanks, very good tanks.
@@defcreator187 I agree. Do you use a step up transformer?
I really hope my post isn't trying to sound like I am complaining about the featured turntable. I think it is very nice and I am sure people who can afford it will be very happy with it.
In this video I outline tons of improvements in this model over the original non-G versions. Yes, if you cant swing this price range go and buy and older model, you'll get a whole lot of performance for a lot less. If you can afford it this model it is worth every bit extra.
If you buy one form Japan be sure to get a transformer to correct the voltage as they use 100V and we use 120V.
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“Technics watch out” the audiophiliac
Mines on the way 🔥
haha, thanks mate.
Jersey, holla'!
LOL
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great review Fernando! Question; would you rate the 1200g against an equivalent priced Lp12 or Thorens? I have heard only great things about the Technics. Thank You ~peace
From an engineering point of view the SL1200 is light years ahead of the Linn or Thorens. Remember it's only as good as the cartridge and setup, not as much about the table. You want one that can calibrate well, easy to setup and robust enough to avoid issues. My vote is for any of the Technics, and the G if you can swing it.
@@SkyFiAudio Thank you!
@@SkyFiAudio btw, will you be doing a review of the Technics su r1000 amplifier any time soon? Thanks.
Crutchfield for me contiguous US only no shipping to Alaska
Do you think that the table will ever have an XLR output option?
I will mention that when I meet with the Technics team, nice option!
@@SkyFiAudioI really want one and this option would be the thing that would definitely have my business. I ask because my entire system utilities xlr throughout.
All true about direct drive.
And the motor is spinning as slow as the platter, 33&45, not 3-4000rpm as an belt drive. So no noise
Good point, never thought of that.
@@SkyFiAudio it’s obvious
I would like to know how the SL 1200 MK 5 compares to the G???
There are a few videos comparing the two, just have a search.
It doesn’t.
I like the features but I just can’t get past the styling unfortunately
I get it Dean. Just use it with the lights off.
Great 🤘
What a great video!! I have the GR & GR-2. Love them!
Right on! What cartridges do you use?
@@SkyFiAudioI use a few ortofon, shure, audio texhnica as well.
Doesn’t a record weight wear out the bearings?
I don't thing a record player with enough torque to get to speed in under a second will even notice a centered weight in the middle.
Rega p8 and p10 kill it in almost all areas
The "not aimed at the DJ"
That's what they said about the MK2 1200/1210.
You think there's a "2" update for the G coming soon?
Haven't heard of any updates from the folks at Technics. I suspect at some point it will adapt the sigma power supply now in the GR2. Might be a while though so I would not wait for it since it's such a small improvement. I would love it if they introduced a new model, perhaps in the $6k range including the outboard power supply found in the SL-1000
@@SkyFiAudio Thanks for the info! I have the GR (first version) and at some point will upgrade. I didn't realize I could get one set up by someone like yourself at SkyFi and shipped. I will probably take advantage of that in the future.
You can buy 100 vintage tables for 5K and have them all working like new for a little elbow grease and a 50 in parts.
If your goal is to have 100 tables lying around, well yes.
I guess you could, do send a pic if you do it :-)
Just get a used SL1200/1210 MK2.
thats a great alternative if you cant swing the $4k.
@@SkyFiAudio Very balanced and fair reply
there´s a much better turntable a following of the 79 SL-1000MKII but with a diferent designation ,maybe similar to SL-1000R or GR with built for it a nagaoka cartridge and stylus due to their work together in the 70´s cartridges and stylus wise, i still use them and sound like today very expensive cartridges and i had better at the time for much less money so this cartridges and stylus kept sealed in their boxes are today incredible sounding while then was average