As a VFR owner in search of my next bike I found your video to be excellent, having the VFR as a reference makes it easy for me to relate to your comparisons.. Many thanks
Fantastic David. Glad it was of help. FWIW I'll be putting over 3,000kms on it in the next 10 days or so (if COVID-19 doesn't shut down the trip) and will be able to report back more then with a more detailed video from a more experienced perspective. :-)
Wow! This is the kind of review I was waiting for! Thanks a lot! I'm definitely going to get one but I have to wait until next year. I cant wait to test one!
Hi Henry - Glad it was an informative review for you. All the best with your future purchase! Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it.
@@amateurhour3966 change of plans... I saw that the 2021 model is all black or black with some green.... i dont really want to have a black motorcycle.... so i was lucky enough to find a green 2020!! Can't wait!!
Hi Adam good review, I live in Melbourne Australia and I have had 2017 model of this bike for just on three years now and it has been faultless in this time and comes up looking like new after a quick clean, you can change the rider modes on the fly by simply closing the throttle whilst changing the mode. My previous recent bikes were a Honda VFR 800 and 2 X Honda CBR 1100xx Super blackbirds which were all great bikes, but I now believe Ninja 1000 is the equal if not better with its modern tech, great engine, quality build and superior comfort. I did notice a small amount of vibes through the seat and mirrors when I first got by Ninja 1000, but now I don't notice any at all as motor seems to have smoothed out with time and Kilometers. I have been so happy with my current Ninja 1000 I'm looking to update to this newer model in about 12 months time and looking forward to the additions of cruise control, quick shifter, heated grips, TFT and more comfortable seat with slightly more leg room. Looking forward to future updates on your bike and how your get along with it.
Hi Brett. Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. Good to hear your feedback on the motor smoothing out. (Others have mentioned the same!). All the best with your upgrade when you do it. I hope to have a more experienced review up in a few weeks time. (Heading away for a 3,000km ride soon - so should have a better idea of the bike by then).
Thanks for taking time to accomplish the review! I’m in the U.S. and considering upgrading to the Ninja 1000SX from a Zed 900. The buzziness your feeling at the 3-4K mark may diminish as you continue to break it in; as the transmission and clutch wear in, and as the cam chain tensioner adjusts to the initial chain stretch it should smooth out. Beautiful bike sir....cheers!
Hi CKZ. Thanks very much for your feedback. I've just released a new video (a couple of hours ago) that deals with the buzz - it's already beginning to fade which I've mentioned in the new video, so thank you - your comment is just another encouraging confirmation on what I believe I'm observing. :-)
Although this video is three years old, I found it very well done for someone who calls himself an “amateur”. I recently purchased a Ninja 1000SX last month and I am still in the break-in period. However, your evaluation is spot on. Could not have asked for a better Bike for the price. Very smooth and powerful. Looking forward to many years of enjoyment. Again, well done video.
Thanks so much. I'm definitely amateur. I haven't had an offer by any motorcycle company to try their new bikes out for review, or to be paid for doing reviews - so I guess I remain an amateur. ;) It's been 3 years. Wow - that makes me feel like time is moving way too quickly!
To switch driving modes while riding, you just need to have the throttle closed all the way. Pull the clutch in and roll off the throttle. The modes affect the mappings so if they allowed you to change it while you had some throttle applied, you would likely feel a jolt as the mapping changed for that throttle position.
Good honest review! Hope you're pleased with the bike and not a disappointment after the VFR. When I took the demo Ninja out, I seem to remember that you can change riding modes on the fly with the throttle fully shut. Enjoy the bike!
Hi Colin, Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. I'm very pleased - and thank you very much for advising of the changing of riding modes - I can confirm this is the case. (I'll be sure to put a correction in my updated Video I hope to release in the next 4 weeks).
Thanks for the review! I currently own a Z1000SX 2011 model, and have had it for 9 years. Very pleasant bike to ride, yet found it a bit heavy for my riding stile. I will test the new model soon, and hope it will be more nimble then the old model.
Hi Jurgen. Thanks for your reply. I've heard that the older models are a little that way - and that there is an easy fix by changing the rear tire from a /50 to a /55. I don't know whether or not the new rake angle makes enough of a change not to warrant this or not - but if you haven't heard about the /55 mod - do a search on the internet - it may be a quick fix to your bike to give it a whole new level of handling. :-) Ride safe!
As a VFR rider, I've found my new bike. I sat on a 1000sx in the shop the other day. Your video has convinced me. I just need a load of cash now. Stay safe my friend
Hi Robert. I'm glad my video was of help. I hope that you find it as enjoyable to change over to as what I have - and manage to find that cash as well. ;) Safe riding!
As an owner of a 2014 Interceptor who's been looking at the 1000SX, I'm glad to hear your comparisons between the two. Thanks for the average person's perspective.
I have been riding a gen.5 (pre-VTEC) VFR for the last eight years, and I've just bought a 2014 Ninja 1000 SX. I'm just waiting for it to arrive from Melbourne and I found your video very informative and reassuring. There seem to be a lot of ex-VFR riders who now have this Ninja - I think Honda's abandonment of the VFR has definitely lost them some customers, possibly for good as I believe the new Ninja 1000SX is better than ever. Thanks for a great review.
I hope you really enjoy your new Ninja. Re the older models - if you find the handling a little off - check out some forums on the internet but I think putting a different tire on the back (55 IIRC) is supposed to help with the handling. Not needed with the newer one due to some rake change or similar. I hope you have some great memories on that!
Well done Adam, you gave us lots of interesting information. Much more useful than all the professional reviews to be found on the web so far. Thank you :-) I owned a ZR-7S a decade ago, and this was also buzzing between 110 and 130 km/h in the top gear. Outside this rpm range the engine was absolutely smooth. I read that the other inline fours from Kawasaki are also touched by this issue. At least the early Z750.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. Thanks very much for your kind feedback. I'm told that the buzzing should smoothen out as I put more k's on it. I'll know soon enough. :-)
I've a 2016 VFR800 and looking for a new sport tourer and there is not a lot of options unless going to an adventure style. Good to get a VFR riders perspective. I think Kawasaki will pick up few ex VFR riders with this.
To be honest - I think they already have. I've been searching for a few years now for what would be the replacement - it seems that many VFR refugee's already jumped ship to the N1K. That was a good part of the reason I knew to take this bike seriously. Good luck with your search for a new sports tourer!
Love my VFR and would be very wary of replacing. Good to hear your feedback. I've had a lot of bikes and the VFR has wonderful character. I don't think I'll ever replace it but you never know.
I fully understand. I was very wary of replacing mine too. (That's why I've kept mine - and will keep it for 6 months so I don't have sellers remorse!).
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube must not like my own content. LOL. Sounds like you and I have very similar preferences with what we want in a bike. Hopefully the 1KSX will be all that you're looking for too.
Well done, for giving such an honest unbiased review, also, don't worry about the dry humour, it made it more human!! So many professional reviews feature robot like presenters with no spirit or enthusiasm. They also tend to play loud obnoxious music, something which I am glad was completely absent here. I am not in the market for a bike, already owning a Triumph Tiger 1050 Sport, but it is always good to eye up the competition ( possible future purchase). I unfortunately am unable to ride at the moment, passed my test 20yrs ago but the DVLA ( UK) failed to add the category to my licence. Now that I have grown up family and a resurged interest, they insist I need to resit my test which is now in 4 parts, 3 down 1 to go. I hope you have many happy thousands of miles riding your new bike. I wondered what alternatives you considered? The Triumph for example or perhaps the Honda CBR 1000 Neo Cafe' ( although as a NAKED bike that's not quite in the same category). To me it seems such a shame that the Suzuki GSX 1000F isn't very pillion friendly, it seems a great going bike with good handling, which markets itself as a Sports tourer but falls short on pillion and luggage carrying.
Thanks for your encouraging comment Michael. I was tempted to go with obnoxious music to cover up my dull voice. ;-) But next time I won't do that - I'll just do a radio presentators class or something and see whether I can be a bit more radio friendly. :-) Sorry to hear about the UK failing to add the category to your license. Sounds like they have some issues. I had a mate that moved there with no bike license, and they added full bike license onto his car license - so they definitely have some issues!
@@amateurhour3966 Thanks for your reply!! I really don't think you need the radio presenters coarse/ training, talking to yourself/ camera is always daunting at first, but confidence is inspired the more you do it. Just keep on making reviews and you'll be fine!! To be honest your review came across as honest and enthusiastic, both qualities I have found missing in some professional reviewers presentations!! Some now, are even script reading a pre written review, then editing it in over stock footage....Boring!! I hope I get to sit my test before Corona has us in lockdown?!! All the best...Michael.
Good riding impressions, Adam! Congratulations on the new motorcycle. With miles, my 2018’s engine vibration has steadily decreased. It dropped even further after changing to full-synthetic Motul 7100 10W-40 at 3000 miles, with the added benefits of noticeably smoother clutch and shifting action. I did install the heavier HVMP bar-ends at ~1000 miles, they were helpful but not really transformational in quelling vibration. Mileage and the oil change made a bigger difference, I'd say. Since it was purchased the bike has been on Metzeler M7RR tires and they've been an excellent match for how I use this machine. The Ninja has many niceties: a 5-gallon steel fuel tank allows use of magnetic tankbags and provides 200-mile range. Very effective LED headlights! I love the factory panniers, too. The riding position relaxes my arms thus making upper body movements easier when cornering. Overall, an excellent motorcycle and an exceptional value...if it came from Europe it would cost A LOT more. In 2019 motojournalist Simon Weir did a massive tour of the USA on a 2017 Z1000SX. It served him very well, and he's a big dude who does not baby a motorcycle. And as an Englishman, yes he does go out in the mid-day sun in places like Arizona and Death Valley. Google him to find the trip blog.
Adam, it's been a gradual thing but the Motul 7100 @ 3000 miles was noteworthy for smoothness. Also, the majority of my riding is on twisty backroads where something like vibration isn't so noticeable. That said, never did my fingers or hands go numb or tingly. If I thought about the vibes, yes, I noticed it...otherwise, not really.
(Not sure what happened to my previous reply). :-/. Thanks Ricardo. I'm hopefully putting 3000k's on it over the next 10 days - so I'l look forward to seeing what happens with the vibrations. Even on my last ride I noticed it less. Whether that is me getting used to it, or it actually improving I don't know. Still fuzzy reflection in the mirror - but here's hoping! :-)
As with every other bike I've owned, vibes may change a bit with ambient temps but the overall trend should be improving. Also, when I finally added fork preload it seemed to have the side effect of reduced vibration! I theorize that the added fork length increased its effect as a vibration dampening component. It changed the "tune" of the front end, to which the bars are rigidly mounted. So if you need some extra preload anyway, for rider weight and riding style, see if you notice anything.
Since making this video there's a few more things I've noted I need to report on. I hope to have 5,000kms on this bike in the next 2 weeks all going well, so will be doing an updated review then from a more experienced perspective. If you haven't got time to wait :-), take note of the heat from underneath on your feet and make sure you're OK with it, or that it disperses OK with your riding style.
Good review. I upgraded from an 06 VFR (write off) to the 1st gen ninja 1000 (2011). When I had the VFR I thought “I’d never change from the VFR”. Once I did some serious miles on the ninja I’d never go back to a VFR. The ninja out performed the VFR on every level and this ninja looks even better.
Thanks Miyagi. It seems a lot of people have been reluctant to change, but after a while they've preferred the Ninja over the VFR. I don't think this puts the VFR in any worse light - it takes a lot of good engineering to make someone like their motorcycle so much that they wouldn't change - I think it just exposes just how good Kawasaki engineers have been with their go of the Ninja.
I've posted this comment on a couple of other videos on TH-cam, and it is very true for your video: "Thank you very much for a great video, very enjoyable. Your video helped convince me to buy a Ninja 1000 SX. Took delivery of my 2021 model 3 weeks ago and have now completed the initial 1000 klm. Am so, so happy with it and again thanks for helping to convince me> Cheers from waydownunder :-)" ps - have now done 2,000 klm in six weeks and it's better than ever !!
Great practical review. My VFR is over 100000km and there is no obvious replacement. Also under a bit of pressure to get a bike with mode rider aids and safety features. The Ninja was on the list, has moved up a few places. Thanks for going to the trouble to make the video.
Good honest review, far better than the usual ones that just concentrate on the specs. I'm going to get one this year, so this vid really helps. Thanks :)
Hi Ally. Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. But thanks for your encouraging comment. All the best with your purchase!
I have owned one for a month now and am very happy with my purchase. Very powerful nimble and comfortable ride. Handles the twisties very well. I'm probably going to keep mine for a long time.
Great review mate! You shouldn't apologise for anything - this is great content and great real-world info. Your thoughts and opinions carry much weight because the VFR series is such a high benchmark. I completely understand your reluctance to change bikes because the VFR was such a fantastic bike. (My father owned one and one of my riding friends had one for many years. You cannot find a bad word about them). The Ninja 1000SX is top of my short-list for many good reasons. It would appear to be a "Goldilocks" bike also. I really think Kawasaki are in a purple patch right now. Their bikes, across the range, are amazing value and in a way they have kinda replaced Honda as the "quiet achiever" in the Japanese sphere. Honda just seems to get more conservative as the years tick over (?) I think Kawasaki realised the value of electronics earlier than the other Japanese manufacturers (?) Like you, before the Ninja came along, my current bike (2009 FZ1-S Gen II) is familiar, reliable, enjoyable & difficult to emotionally replace. I have also invested in suspension & ergonomic upgrades and my bike is like a favourite pair of shoes. But it has zero rider aids - the traction control is the webbing between my thumb & index finger & the synapses between my butt cheeks & my brain. And the "ABS" is the sensitivity of my index & middle fingers ;-) Nevertheless "upgrade-itis" is a sickness I have always suffered from. Thank you for the real rider feedback.
Thanks so much for your response Simon. It surprises me that both Triumph and Honda had a following that they dropped, and Kawasaki and Suzuki were able to come along and pick up and carry it on. But I've never understood the decisions made with a lot of economics either. :-)
Nice review, sir. I've recently moved up from a Ninja 650 to a 20018 Z1000SX, which is what Kawasaki used to call this bike in the UK. The high beam on the 2018 model is done via a thumb button, with the trigger switch for the forefinger being used just for the "pass" flasher. I find that I sometimes accidentally activate the high beam when I wear a VisorCat on the glove. I guess you can't win. A note on the trigger button: make sure you check it as part of the pre-ride checks as I've heard it's a common problem for dirt to get in the mechanism and stop it working. In fact when I bought my model second hand from the dealer they had to fix it, which was easily done with some cleaning spray (WD-40, I was told. Other sprays are available.) I found that when I ride, my heel often hits the pillion pegs mounting point. I always have the ball of the foot on the rider peg by default, and don't have huge feet. I've gotten used to it now so it's not a major annoyance. Subscribed. Hope to see more nice videos.
Hi NooBiker. Thanks for the tip re checking the trigger button. I'll be keeping that in mind! I'll see what I can do about doing an updated video maybe at 10,000kms with more details once this COVID lockdown is done. Take care!
I appreciate this review. In 2017 I bought a barely used 2014 Ninja 1000 - had 1,472 miles on it. Before it I had spent at least a few hundred miles in the saddle of 9 other bike models - being a daily rider for 20 years, and my first marriage being to someone who rode as well. I knew I wanted something with some reasonable touring capability as I do that - my ex and I did an 8,000 mile across-the-USA road trip in 2014 on our own bikes (a ZR-7s and an R1100R.) I had read the specs and looked over the reviews and had a good mental idea of how I figured the bike would handle...and I was wrong about one thing: low speed handling was better than I expected. Sadly, that Ninja went to be a parts or project bike two months ago. It was written off after a failed theft attempt - the would-be thief had literally used a moving truck with the ramp extended to ram the bike against a garbage dumpster in an attempt to get it up the ramp when I interrupted him and he fled. After looking over what's available I ended up deciding to go with a 2021 1000SX. FWIW, at least on my 2014 US model, that headlight switch existed but was only a momentary contact to flash the high beam. There was a typical high/low rocker switch where the mode and select buttons now are (those buttons used to be a rocker switch with a push button through the middle where the cruise control buttons now live.) I could change the engine power level (full or low) and traction control modes (off or 1-3; no names like "sport" then) while moving but only under some very low speed; not while underway on a highway. I was seriously disappointed in this after having ridden my ex's R1200RT and experienced the on-the-fly electronic suspension valving adjustment. BTW, the "the bike also has to be in neutral" thing for the app reminded me of something else: I have the INNOVV K2 ride cam and the app will fail to connect if the phone GPS isn't turned on but the error will not remotely indicate that is the issue.
Sorry to hear about login your old bike with the attempted theft. Glad to hear that they didn't get away with it though! To be fair, the current model can have the modes changed on the fly - it just needs the throttle to be idle to do it (so you can coast momentarily while at speed). I've given an update do this in the updated review. :-) I haven't checked to see what differences there are with the 2021 model yet - but hope that you get a lot of enjoyment out of your upgrade. :-)
As a VFR fan, and now a happy 2014 N1K owner, I do wish for the same thing from Honda. A proper, modern, 1000cc V4 that is the answer to the Ninja. I love my Ninja (60,000 kilometres in two Canadian summers), but it'd be cool to see what Honda can do for a modern SPORT tourer.
Bang on indeed. I was hoping Honda would chime in, but even if they brought in a 1000 now - it would take a lot to win me back. They'd have to equal what Kawasaki have done PLUS tick the boxes that Kawasaki missed.
Thanks for the great review. As a current o3 FZ1 Rider I feel like I can understand where you're coming from with your critique. I'm hoping to upgrade to the Ninja 1000 SX around this time next year.
Thanks for the review. I had a '04 VFR for more than a decade (and over 160,000km), then a break for a couple of years on a Daytona (the break was enforced by a wayward roo), before spending the last year on a '12 Ninja Z1000SX. I was initially cautious about the Ninja as I (like you) was an avid and devoted VFR fan. However part way through the year I rode a VFR again, and well, was disappointed. I found the VFR uncomfortable (I'm probably getting old!) and quite underpowered. I really enjoy the Ninja now, and it would appear that we have very similar ride styles. I've even commuted in Sydney peak traffic and found it quite capable in that situation. If the newer one is even smoother at slow speed, it will be a great all rounder. Now I just need to convince the boss to let me upgrade! While I have yet to do many fun day rides, I commute every day and have done several weekend trips on it. Enjoy your new ride :)
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. Anyway - sorry to hear about your roo experience - but glad to hear that you've been on the mend. Those Roo's are nasty - and I've had a couple of close encounters myself! After being on the 1KSX - the VFR is definitely undepowered for me now. I still find it comfortable - I kinda wish the Ninja was a compromise between what it is and what the VFR is - but beggers can't be choosers. :-)
Brilliant! Have VFR 8 years now and keep looking for a bike to switch... Would love 1000+ V4 engine, inline 4 seams to be less exiting I think. But, will test z1000sx and aprilia tuono. We will see what is more important for me ;)
So glad it was helpful. I figured there would be thousands of VFR riders facing the same question as me... where to go to. Good luck with your search and decision making!
Hi Vincent. Thanks for your kind comments, and I'm encouraged to hear that you've started riding the same model. In regards to the lean angle my personal humble advise would be not to go chasing it. What I found is that I concentrated on the right lines - the lean angle naturally progressed safely more and more as I continued to ride that way. I've heard of people who go chase the lean angle and try and get over more or try and get a faster pace (instead of letting it be a natural progression of a better riding habit) - and they often come unstuck. I also use the lines as an indicator to warn me when I'm tired or pushing too hard. I don't notice my tiredness, (or myself pushing the limits) - but what I do notice is that I start stuffing up the lines which are now 'natural' to me. When that happens, or I end up overshooting where I was planning to stop, or a few other indicators it's a warning flag that I need to re-evaluate myself because I'm going beyond my limit or are fatigued.
Comments written before mine said it all. This review is perfect. Thanks for that. I wanted a VFR 2020 but now it would be harder to decide because there is a Z1000 model 2020 ... I like it, I like it a lot 🙂
Thanks again for this earlier video. I have a VFR800X which only gets 250km commuting to a tank (need to try harder to keep revs at about 4K). I also find the low speed handling and throttle is twitchy. But like the upright position, visibility and bright headlight.
I was just thinking the other day how I still (after all these years) miss the V4 sound of the VFR. Enjoy your bike. I'd still have my VFR if it wasn't for the wife making me upgrade. LOL. But thankfully the Ninja had enough good points to offset the things I miss of the VFR. Now if the two of them would only get together and have a child, then we'd be talking! ;)
Nicely done sir ! Your sense of humor is a positive addition to typical reviews. As well, your comparison to the VFR creates a greater depth for understanding. Have you experienced any odd fairing harmonics at specific frequencies ? This was a general nuisance on my last two Ninja"s. Cheers...
Thank you kindly! I'm glad you liked my weird sense of humour. :-) It's just me - I tend to just be who I am. Some people like it, some don't. I figure I need to be honest about myself as much as the bike. In regards to the fairing harmonics - I can't say that I've noticed anything at all. Not having anything to compare it to - don't take my word on it alone - but I certainly haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.
10:53 These 'in tight out wide' lines are coincidentally also the ideal racing lines (if you hit the apex). That is because of the shallower lean angle on the exit, you can get on the gas much earlier and harder and thus get better corner exit speeds.
Really? I wasn't aware of that. I always thought the racing lines were in wide, out wide and touching the apex, and always thought there was a difference to the two. Thanks for the info.
Very good review I really appreciated that you covered the application with the mobile phone 📱 and the heated grips and other aspects of the bike . It’s safe to say that it’s a safe and secured 1000cc bike. Ride safe and enjoy 😉
Thanks Alpha Bro. I plan on doing a more detailed review if all goes well after going on a 3,000km touring trip in the twisties. I also hope to be able to cover other things such as the screen, heated grips, mobile app, etc in more detail then too - when I have more experience.
thanks for the information. i was going to upgrade from a MT-07 to a supersport, but the more i think about it the more i'm leaning towards the ninja 1000sx just because i like taking long rides and i only ride on the street so all the electronics would really benefit me.
So far the electronics have been great. I can give the throttle stick and I notice at certain revs the front wheel begins to lift momentarily but then goes back down - although I haven't notice the throttle retarding. it doesn't 'cut' the power completely - it seems to be very smooth and controlled - almost unnoticeable. Still got more riding to do to know for sure - but so far, seems brilliant.
Thanks for the review, I am looking for a Sports Tourer to replace my Triumph Sprint GT which I have really enjoyed clocking up 30 thousand in less than two years. The category is diminishing in choice so it was good to hear your opinion.
Good shout with the upgrade to better safety specs. I just crashed my 2000 vfr 800 due to front end lock up during an emergency stop. I really wished I had abs as I really love this bike. I am know learning and seeing what's available out there to upgrade too. Newer vfr 800, 1000zx or gsxs1000. If anyone else has suggestions I'm all ears.
Sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you got out of it OK and no serious injuries. I'll be honest, the 1000sx isn't a VFR upgrade, it is a crossgrade. I still have my VFR (got to get around to selling it), and the one thing I constantly miss on the SX is that 'sport touring' seating position (well, that and the centre stand still) ;-). But life is about compromises and no one is going to make the perfect bike for me - and a year on I'm still very satisfied with my decision. Good luck with your search.
Keep up the good work Adam! I too have ridden the 2019 model and was left disappointed, particularly with the snatchy throttle. I ended up buying a new Triumph Speed Triple in the end, but will look at the Ninja again when I’m tempted to change.
I think there are definitely a lot of upgrades with this one (at least with my limited experience of the 2019). But the Speed Triple is a formidable bike as well - I'm sure you're going to get a lot of enjoyment out of it. One of my mates has one. I was just wanting something with a bit more fairing.
Hi David here I thought I would mention my run experience ,I brought a kawasaki z900 2020 and was pleasantly surprised when I was told to ride the bike as it was run in a.ready . They said don't go ridiculous but just ride normally regards david
Another VFR former owner looking in this direction. I was originally looking towards a kawasaki versys 1000 but realized the bike was very similar to the n1sx for a lot more money. I think I'll get a new N1sx and something small to do on/off road stuff.
Yes, it's crazy to see that Honda never offered up an upgrade path but just dropped sports touring altogether, but thankfully we have Kawasaki that have come to the rescue. I think the versys will allow for a little more adventuring, but I never really looked too hard at it TBH - I was really looking for the closest thing to a VFR replacement so I was a little narrow minded. ;-)
Excellent review, thank you. On the vibrating mirrors, I often wondered if attaching a little lead to each mirror somehow, say a little strip along the top of the mirror (small but heavy enough) would solve vibrating issues. Could attach it with tape as a test and if it worked find a way of permanent attachment in behind the glass within the unit. Maybe not for a new bike!
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. Thanks Noel for your idea. Others have mentioned they expect the vibrations to lessen as I put more k's on it first - so we'll wait and see what happens. Fingers crossed. :-)
I don’t like the tire pressure sensors because they tend to freak out when you run lower pressure which I basically always do (30/30psi) and I don’t want to ride everywhere with that warning
You should be able to set the parameters of the warning. So if I was going to run 30/30, I could set the warning for 25psi so no alarm would sound for 'normal' riding - and would only warn except in event of a puncture. At least that's the option I have in mine.
Nice job mate I have had two ninja 1000's and the 2020 model is the best, you will not regret the decision - one aspect you may not have tested yet is to open her up on some nice sweepers, this will put a smile on your face this bike has two personalities and I don't think you have met the angry one yet :) . You can also change the riding modes on the fly, just drop the throttle a touch while pressing the up or down button and it will change.
Thanks tanamite44. You're right - you can change the riding mode - I've learned that since making this video. As for opening it up - I've learned that sports mode isn't to be taken lightly. :-)
Again, an interesting perspective on the new 1000SX. I had a 2015 1000SX for a couple years and while I did appreciate the bike, the slow speed turning, lack of cruise control and a few other minor niggles led me to move onto something different. Now I've ordered the new bike, I'm very excited especially as everyone seems to say the low speed instability has been resolved and the new electronics package has brought in cruise control and a quick shifter. Regarding the engine buzzing, I mentioned this a few times when I got my 2015 bike and was effectively told to ride around it. It was always between 4k-5krpm and it did disappear if I dropped a gear - this also added to the fun a bit :P. I fully expect the same buzz in the new bike as they haven't materially changed the engine, but all the other positives about the bike have me thinking this is such a minor point, it didn't factor into my decision.
Thanks for your comment. The buzz has actually reduced to the point that I can't recognise it at around 4k anymore. Others told me it would if I put a few k's under the belt - which appears to be the case! :-)
This is exactly the review I was looking for... I'm coming from a VFR as well, love the VFR, but want some of the more advanced safety features available right now. Thanks!
Thanks Jeff. Glad it was helpful! I do miss the more sportier seating position of the VFR - a great compromise between touring and too sporty - but all in all - since there is no other bike remotely equivalent to the discontinued VFR - this is from what I can see the next best logical choice. I am a tough critic though. :-) There is an updated video that I did after getting some k's on it that can be viewed here if it's of any help. studio.th-cam.com/users/videovwID17PKp3U/comments Good luck with your searching and stay safe. :)
@@amateurhour3966 One more question: I heard, but can’t seem to find details, that the 2020 Ninja 1000sx comes in 3 flavours - ‘Performance’, ‘Touring’ and a ‘Performance touring’ (which has all the bells). Which version is yours and why did you decide on it? Thanks!
Great review mate. I have a 04 Blackbird and like you I’ve been hanging out for Mr Honda to come up with a replacement with ABS/traction etc for my 80,000 k bike that I love, but they haven’t. The SX is one I am thinking about. Thanks. I can live without the App and lean angles. Question, where was that great road/s in the review please. 👍
Hi Ross. Glad the review was helpful. The roads here were all in Victoria. Most of the roads were up in the Alpine area. (Omeo highway, Falls Creek and Mt Hotham)
Thanks BB. I hope to make your subscription worth while with an updated review in a few weeks time. (Planning on going on a 3,000km + trip in the next 10 days or so).
@@amateurhour3966 Thanks for the reply :) Btw; it's rumoured that if you press the horns of a Z1000, a VFF800, a Triumph Sprint and a Suzuki Gsxs 1000 simultaneously it produces a perfect g7b9 chord ;)
None of the pro reviews have mentioned mirror vibration. Could it be that your wheels need rebalancing? Especially given that it only occurs at 60 mph. I appreciate your comments about the wind screen. Perhaps an aftermarket extension, such as those used on adventure bikes, would help. All in all, good job on this. Please post an update after your first 1k miles.
Hi John. I thought I mentioned (but may have forgotten to) - that the vibration in the mirrors disappear as soon as I slip in the clutch. There's definitely a small vibration there - some tell me that it should get less over time.
Very good review, the bike I would prefer if I was to surrender my existing Motocycle. I love the sound of the V4 and a big four in line. I have to say how well you covered the points in a relaxed way with humour (more dry humour please, only it may get you more dislikes from people who have problems understanding it). Your style of riding is almost identical to mine by the way, I don’t see it very often. All the best from the U.K.
Adam Rider Hello Adam It’s good to hear the humour is deep set, I find in times of adversity I’m possibly a little jovial because of that. Yes, I was referring to the lines you take on live traffic roads, it is refreshing to see, I too am a little particular about that and sometimes cringe when I see others courting an accident taking racing lines. On a further note to the 1000sx I am rather taken with the H2 version but no way can I afford that. The super charger sounds brilliant. Look forward to your next vid.
Hi Jonathan. Not sure what happened to my previous comment - but thanks for he encouraging feedback - it won't be hard to have dry humour in future reviews if I get the chance to make another one. (Which I'm hoping to) - the trick is getting me to shut up my dry humour. ;-) Encouraging to hear that you have the same riding style too - hopefully the review is very informative for you. Take care and stay safe!
Thanks Sheldon. I plan on having a total of around 5,000kms after doing a tour trip in the next couple of weeks - so I will try and get an updated review and updates on the buzz. Encouraging to know it should disappear.
Hi, I'm looking at getting this bike as well for commuting/long trips. I'm the same height as you and was wondering if you're using the stock windscreen or the tall version? Also if you could comment on whether or not you feel vibration in the bars at 60-80mph that would be a lot of help for me.
Hi. I'm using the stock windscreen, but it's not tall enough to protect helmet, only the torso. The vibration is diminishing. (I've done a follow-up review since this one). I've only done 3,300kms so far on it but the vibration is already reducing. Hope this helps. :-)
Have the 2018 model. It's just a great bike, as you say sheep dog like. If you're having a crap day and on the commute home and see roundabouts as chicanes, it's fantastic, conversely, you have had a pay rise, and just want to idle home nice and relaxed, it's just as fantastic. Key point for me was changing tyres to the Roadtec 01, brilliant handling and comfort, and those pesky 600's on the B roads get left way behind.
Sounds like you had an older VFR model without the traction control and ABS...would this 1000sx have been so praised in comparison to the more updated VFR with those features which also had it's VTEC recalibrated?
I couldn't say sorry. I was going to buy a new VFR and held off for 2 years hoping that Honda were going to bring them back, but they didn't. My review is only based on my VFR (5th Gen I believe it was) for comparison.
Honda has really dropped the ball in the last few years. I have been a VFR fan and an ST1300 fan. I have been able to live with linked brakes, but I never felt that the complexity of their VTEC system was necessary. The addition of more controls over the past few years has negatively affected the high beam control position. I have a Concours 14 and a 2011 Z1000 and the high beam control is like that on the VFR, but that is pretty much all that is there. I am not sure the position would be a problem for me as I cover the clutch and brake levers at all times. Most inline four cylinder engines are a little buzzy, unfortunately. I hope it isn't too annoying. I would suggest a good throttle synchronization, but I am not sure that is even an option with throttle by wire. I am glad that you like your new Ninja.
The position isn't a problem for me either having ridden it more. I'm not sure why I hit it 2 times on the first day. New bike I guess. Anyway - it hasn't been a problem since. I'll be putting over 3,000kms on it in the next 10 days or so (if COVID-19 doesn't shut down the trip) and will be able to report back more then.
I got it. Rode it down the Island Highway yesterday. I look like a complete newby because the gear I am wearing is so stiff and I am not used to touring pants and the footpeg position. Oh well, didn't drop it coming up to the ferry ticket wicket. That would have been sad. I had it in Rain as well and on that very high speed highway, well, it was shame. Still getting used to riding again after 35 years thereabouts. For Triple Clamp lift and rear swingarm I got these off Amazon.ca. Doubt they sell them where you are. I decided against putting in the link, but here is a description. Venom Motorcycle Front Triple Tree & Rear Swingarm Spool Lift Combo Wheel Lift Stands + Paddock Attachments For Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Ducati, BMW - Sport Street Bike Motorcycle by Venom 4.3 out of 5 stars 114 ratings Price: CDN$ 150.99 & FREE Shipping
Island highway, high speed? When we ride it you're lucky to hit 100km/h, get to the Malahat and it slows down even more. No good roads on the Island, which is why I sold my zx-10r.
Fantastic! Great to hear Chris. Don't worry about putting links in - I'm not fussed by that. If someone else may find it useful - go for it. (Provided they're relevant links - spammers trying to resell toilet paper will be deleted ;-) )
@@bigpapa8152 Haven't you been up past oh what is it, Lantsville, something like that. Yes it is really bad down south, with the ghost car cops as well. And they are up north also, but once getting closer to Parksville the speed goes up to 110 and I am constantly passed when driving my car up there. Most popular speed seems to be 120 to 140 in that area. All those fast KIA SUV's. haha. A really fast area is just south of Campbell River. It is go for it area. Definitely a place to test top speed in my opinion. Little if any traffic a lot of times. In my AMG I was followed by a Maserati and we took turns trying to get top speed before getting to close to Campbell River. It was fun. Then north of Campbell River but the roads eventually deteriorate the further north you go like to Port Hardy. Out to Gold River though is pretty nice I seem to recall. I have been told the road to Ucluelet is jammed with construction. Too bad, that is a bike road for sure. It would be so nice with an entirely new surface on it. I first went on that road back in the mid 80's with a buddy on his 650 and we got passed by a guy on a Ducati and tried to follow him. He really knew the road. Too bad you sold your bike.
@@cdon2day Riding a Concours now, and will be making my first trip to Tofino once the world gets back to as normal as it gets. Be nice to ride on some fast roads with hopefully not a shit tonne of traffic.
Great points about the street riding lines vs. the racetrack lines. I do the same. And I should clarify that I think the Ninja is a brilliant machine. It’d be nice to get a 2020, but the last two months has taken that off of the table this year. Might pick one up next spring when they are clearing out the showrooms, or hopefully find an essentially unridden used one. Or maybe, just maybe, Honda will drop a perfect VFR on us. Their new CBR1000 is a brilliant bike, but it's obviously not a sport touring rig. And it's not a 90° V4. I’ll likely and very happily end up on another big Ninja. Thanks again!
Hi KK. Thanks for the feedback. I understand completely - in my shoes right now - I also would be postponing. (As I've always been very conservative and cautious). It will be interesting to see what happens with future development. I'm thinking that COVID may have a huge hit on R&D (amongst other sectors) financially. Time will tell.
Thanks for the correction. Unfortunately youtube won't allow me to put captions on the video to 'correct' this, but this has been mentioned in the updated / more recent video.
I went from a Triumph Sprint (very similar to a VFR) to a 2016 of these. Agree with very thing except the seat. I could do 400km in one go. 150km's on the ninja is getting uncomfortable. Looking to get the 2020 model soon. Thanks for the review.
Hi Ken. When looking for my first bike it was a close call between the VFR and the Sprint. The decision for me in the end was which one became available for me to buy first - which ended up being the VFR. Not having rid the Sprint I do feel like I've missed out a bit. Both the VFR and Sprint were excellent bikes for their days. I'm just glad that Kawasaki have taken up the ST market where the other two have dropped it. Good luck with your 2020 purchase!
Thank you! This is exactly the information I am looking for. I've been riding my VF1000F2 now for almost 33 years and though it is still riding well, as you said also: no abs etc. and well, a change can be nice sometimes (but not too often 😉). So my eyes fell on the Ninja. Still, don't know if I will be able to say goodbye to the VF, feels like bringing your dog to the shelter. Who could do that?
Glad to hear I was providing helpful information. :-) My VFR is gone now. Just this weekend I was commenting on how well it rode the corners - like being on tracks. But it rode them so well, I had to nail the corner right, or it was a lot of work to 'correct'. The ninja is definitely more forgiving in that nature. I've learned in life there is no best - there are just different pro's and cons. While I do miss the VFR - I do wonder how much 'trouble' it may have started to give me in it's later years with so many k's under the belt and I do appreciate the security I get from having a newer/younger bike when going on bigger rides with less fear that something is getting to the end of it's life span. Good luck with your decision - it took me a long time, but if I'm honest I don't have any regrets. (Well, one... why didn't Honda keep the VFR going and go to a 1000!!!) ;)
@@amateurhour3966 It’s been a while since I watched your video for the first time. It was when I was tempted by the Ninja as my next bike. I finally bought one, second-hand, low-mileage and has been really loving this bike a lot. I’ve had several motorcycle holidays with it and have clocked 25000 km on it. What do I don’t like? Not much, really. I wish it had a taller sixth gear, a real overdrive for using on the motorway when you have to cover greater distances at 140km/h. And the keys. I find them to long and flimsy and have bent both of them. I’ve never owned or ridden an VFR although I always thought that the earlier ones were among the best looking and best sounding motorcycles around. But afte two years on the Ninja I think I can relate to your initial point of view « … from a VFR owner’s perspective » as I start to develope a « Ninja owner’s perspective ». I try to proyect myself into the future when time will come to replace the Ninja, I have the chance to live in a city with plenty of motorcycle dealers around and I test-ride bikes that I like from time to time and I have the impression that I have just been lucky to have found the perfect bike for me. Maybe an updated version would tempt me, who knows. Until then, I feel so at home every time I sit on that bike and start that engine. Regards
I did with my wife a couple of weeks ago - haven't got any video at this stage yet sorry - life is a bit hectic but I hope to be able to do some video and comment on the 2-up in the near future.
Nice review! Perhaps they changed it but on mine you can switch traction control modes while riding you just have to let off the throttle..mine is a 2018. Take care and keep making vids! great job!😀
Hi StormtrooperNina. Thanks for the feedback. And you're right - numerous people have corrected me on that since I uploaded this video. Unfortunately youtube have removed the ability to add captions after the event to allow me to put a correction on this video. :-(
It depends on which model you purchase. The base very green model, not the SE designation that is more black than Kawi green, didn't have a power outlet but had the pop-out for it on the fairing dash. The SX SE model does have the power outlet. As for USB, I don't remember seeing that mentioned anywhere but the display is Bluetooth enabled for linking phones and music sources that have Bluetooth. I was told the SE model had the heated grips and the other base didn't. Hence the $200 price difference here in Canada.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. For me this was an extra that I had to pay for. I wasn't given an option with differnet 'options' of the bike - it was just one setup, and pay for the extra's myself.
A very good review covering all the points I have been concerned about. Just decided to get back into riding after decades of not, and this was my second choice for a new bike. It is on order, here in British Columbia, and due to protesters, container ships not getting into port, railway backlogs, world going to hell with virus scares, it is going to be much later than when I was told at the time of deposit. First was the outrageous and still makes me drool, Aprilia Tuono. Still would like one, for the sound, but maybe I should just get a really good recording of them. I could tell by just seeing the bike and sitting on it, it's mine. Feet pretty well flat on the ground, and I am 5'10". The amount of forward lean was just like how I had set up my third bike, a Suzuki GS 750 EX '81. It will take some time getting used to the nutcracker seating to the tank. Forcing me to ride responsibly to avoid the pain. I did find what you said about the heated grips something to note and remember. So odd that they don't have the grips integrated into the Display. I have never had heated grips. My car has heated seats that are great on a really cold day. Bikes with fairings usually don't need a heated seat, all the engine heat comes out at our legs. Regarding the video quality itself. You did a fine job. I hope to do one when I get mine, as well as a few trip videos on Vancouver Island and the mainland. The road to Tofino on the west coast of the island is an incredible road for a motorcycle. Can be busy though. Thanks.
@@amateurhour3966 when I had my GS 750 EX it wasn't faired originally but I bought one for it and then noticed the temperature when stuck in city traffic. It would get quite hot. I just got a call the other day from the dealer telling me the bike is off the ship and going for shipping over to Vancouver Island. It is summer down there for you, our forecast is for snow tonight. So if it comes in late today it will be a few days before getting it. Driving in snow on a motorcycle, a street bike, isn't much fun. Really wakes a person though.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - I think youtube caught COVID-19 and deleted my replies. :-/ Good luck with your purchase - I hope all goes well and this virus scare settles down soon! Thanks for your kind and detailed reply. Re the grips - another gripe I have about them is that there's no tactile feeling with the switch. I spend a lot of time looking down when getting them first turned on to make sure they're on the right setting. There's a lot that can be improved there.
@@amateurhour3966 I find that too with trying to use the signals with gloves on. Difficult. The rest of those controls I have to stop, other than the high beam, which I did the same as you once.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. I'll try and post a video about this in more detail over the next few weeks. All going well - I have a big road trip on this bike to get out of the way first. ;-)
Hi David, Hmm - in the state of Victoria - a good way for me to lose my license and get locked up. ;) I do have an updated video th-cam.com/video/vwID17PKp3U/w-d-xo.html where I was past the break-in period that might be of interest. :-)
Hi Praveen. Not so much -we're locked down as well now. Bike has been garaged for some time - these video's were taken before the COVID outbreak. Hoping that we'll all get out riding again soon. Stay safe!
Adam what are the service intervals? I've read on MCN that it's only annually or 12,000km but the local dealer said every six months or 6000km (I think he's mistaken) I believe his figure is based on the previous model?
Warranty book says 6,000kms. Manual states 12,000. Dealer told me 12,000 - that the warranty book is for all their bikes (generic warranty booklet) - so to go with the manual. (I believe I responded previous but youtube has wiped all my replies off - sorry).
Thanks Dorstefan! It was hard to jump ship - honestly - but I have no regrets now. Just sold my VFR only this week . Holding onto it for another 18 months and not riding it much it didn't hurt as much as it would have 18 months ago. ;-)
For an "amateur" review...this is so smoothly spoken and good content. You really explain both your opinions and why you have them.
Thanks heaps Tom. Appreciate the feedback!
As a VFR owner in search of my next bike I found your video to be excellent, having the VFR as a reference makes it easy for me to relate to your comparisons.. Many thanks
Fantastic David. Glad it was of help. FWIW I'll be putting over 3,000kms on it in the next 10 days or so (if COVID-19 doesn't shut down the trip) and will be able to report back more then with a more detailed video from a more experienced perspective. :-)
The VFR comparison is incredible. Because it’s such a gold standard. However, managing an old bike’s thirst for new parts is expensive.
Wow! This is the kind of review I was waiting for! Thanks a lot! I'm definitely going to get one but I have to wait until next year. I cant wait to test one!
Hi Henry - Glad it was an informative review for you. All the best with your future purchase!
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it.
@@amateurhour3966 Thanks!
@@amateurhour3966 change of plans... I saw that the 2021 model is all black or black with some green.... i dont really want to have a black motorcycle.... so i was lucky enough to find a green 2020!! Can't wait!!
Hi Adam good review, I live in Melbourne Australia and I have had 2017 model of this bike for just on three years now and it has been faultless in this time and comes up looking like new after a quick clean, you can change the rider modes on the fly by simply closing the throttle whilst changing the mode.
My previous recent bikes were a Honda VFR 800 and 2 X Honda CBR 1100xx Super blackbirds which were all great bikes, but I now believe Ninja 1000 is the equal if not better with its modern tech, great engine, quality build and superior comfort.
I did notice a small amount of vibes through the seat and mirrors when I first got by Ninja 1000, but now I don't notice any at all as motor seems to have smoothed out with time and Kilometers.
I have been so happy with my current Ninja 1000 I'm looking to update to this newer model in about 12 months time and looking forward to the additions of cruise control, quick shifter, heated grips, TFT and more comfortable seat with slightly more leg room.
Looking forward to future updates on your bike and how your get along with it.
Hi Brett. Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. Good to hear your feedback on the motor smoothing out. (Others have mentioned the same!). All the best with your upgrade when you do it.
I hope to have a more experienced review up in a few weeks time. (Heading away for a 3,000km ride soon - so should have a better idea of the bike by then).
Thanks for taking time to accomplish the review! I’m in the U.S. and considering upgrading to the Ninja 1000SX from a Zed 900. The buzziness your feeling at the 3-4K mark may diminish as you continue to break it in; as the transmission and clutch wear in, and as the cam chain tensioner adjusts to the initial chain stretch it should smooth out. Beautiful bike sir....cheers!
Hi CKZ. Thanks very much for your feedback. I've just released a new video (a couple of hours ago) that deals with the buzz - it's already beginning to fade which I've mentioned in the new video, so thank you - your comment is just another encouraging confirmation on what I believe I'm observing. :-)
Although this video is three years old, I found it very well done for someone who calls himself an “amateur”. I recently purchased a Ninja 1000SX last month and I am still in the break-in period. However, your evaluation is spot on. Could not have asked for a better Bike for the price. Very smooth and powerful. Looking forward to many years of enjoyment. Again, well done video.
Thanks so much. I'm definitely amateur. I haven't had an offer by any motorcycle company to try their new bikes out for review, or to be paid for doing reviews - so I guess I remain an amateur. ;) It's been 3 years. Wow - that makes me feel like time is moving way too quickly!
To switch driving modes while riding, you just need to have the throttle closed all the way. Pull the clutch in and roll off the throttle.
The modes affect the mappings so if they allowed you to change it while you had some throttle applied, you would likely feel a jolt as the mapping changed for that throttle position.
Thanks Kraig - you're spot on. (Corrected in my updated video).
Good honest review! Hope you're pleased with the bike and not a disappointment after the VFR.
When I took the demo Ninja out, I seem to remember that you can change riding modes on the fly with the throttle fully shut. Enjoy the bike!
Hi Colin,
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it.
I'm very pleased - and thank you very much for advising of the changing of riding modes - I can confirm this is the case. (I'll be sure to put a correction in my updated Video I hope to release in the next 4 weeks).
@@amateurhour3966 I've got mine now ... awesome machines aren't they!
By the way, I can confirm that the BF29 Tanklock flange fits the Ninja!
Thanks for the review! I currently own a Z1000SX 2011 model, and have had it for 9 years. Very pleasant bike to ride, yet found it a bit heavy for my riding stile. I will test the new model soon, and hope it will be more nimble then the old model.
Hi Jurgen. Thanks for your reply. I've heard that the older models are a little that way - and that there is an easy fix by changing the rear tire from a /50 to a /55. I don't know whether or not the new rake angle makes enough of a change not to warrant this or not - but if you haven't heard about the /55 mod - do a search on the internet - it may be a quick fix to your bike to give it a whole new level of handling. :-) Ride safe!
As a VFR rider, I've found my new bike.
I sat on a 1000sx in the shop the other day.
Your video has convinced me.
I just need a load of cash now.
Stay safe my friend
Hi Robert. I'm glad my video was of help. I hope that you find it as enjoyable to change over to as what I have - and manage to find that cash as well. ;) Safe riding!
As an owner of a 2014 Interceptor who's been looking at the 1000SX, I'm glad to hear your comparisons between the two. Thanks for the average person's perspective.
My pleasure! Glad it was helpful.
I have been riding a gen.5 (pre-VTEC) VFR for the last eight years, and I've just bought a 2014 Ninja 1000 SX. I'm just waiting for it to arrive from Melbourne and I found your video very informative and reassuring. There seem to be a lot of ex-VFR riders who now have this Ninja - I think Honda's abandonment of the VFR has definitely lost them some customers, possibly for good as I believe the new Ninja 1000SX is better than ever. Thanks for a great review.
I hope you really enjoy your new Ninja. Re the older models - if you find the handling a little off - check out some forums on the internet but I think putting a different tire on the back (55 IIRC) is supposed to help with the handling. Not needed with the newer one due to some rake change or similar. I hope you have some great memories on that!
Well done Adam, you gave us lots of interesting information. Much more useful than all the professional reviews to be found on the web so far. Thank you :-) I owned a ZR-7S a decade ago, and this was also buzzing between 110 and 130 km/h in the top gear. Outside this rpm range the engine was absolutely smooth. I read that the other inline fours from Kawasaki are also touched by this issue. At least the early Z750.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it.
Thanks very much for your kind feedback. I'm told that the buzzing should smoothen out as I put more k's on it. I'll know soon enough. :-)
I've a 2016 VFR800 and looking for a new sport tourer and there is not a lot of options unless going to an adventure style. Good to get a VFR riders perspective. I think Kawasaki will pick up few ex VFR riders with this.
To be honest - I think they already have. I've been searching for a few years now for what would be the replacement - it seems that many VFR refugee's already jumped ship to the N1K. That was a good part of the reason I knew to take this bike seriously. Good luck with your search for a new sports tourer!
Love my VFR and would be very wary of replacing. Good to hear your feedback. I've had a lot of bikes and the VFR has wonderful character. I don't think I'll ever replace it but you never know.
I fully understand. I was very wary of replacing mine too. (That's why I've kept mine - and will keep it for 6 months so I don't have sellers remorse!).
You have a certain calm and maturity that i believe will do very well in the review video world. Keep at it please, I'd love to see more content.
Thanks. I really appreciate that!
Thanks for the review. I’m an ex-VFR rider who currently has a Triumph Sprint GT and considering the Ninja as a replacement in the future.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube must not like my own content. LOL. Sounds like you and I have very similar preferences with what we want in a bike. Hopefully the 1KSX will be all that you're looking for too.
Well done, for giving such an honest unbiased review, also, don't worry about the dry humour, it made it more human!! So many professional reviews feature robot like presenters with no spirit or enthusiasm. They also tend to play loud obnoxious music, something which I am glad was completely absent here. I am not in the market for a bike, already owning a Triumph Tiger 1050 Sport, but it is always good to eye up the competition ( possible future purchase). I unfortunately am unable to ride at the moment, passed my test 20yrs ago but the DVLA ( UK) failed to add the category to my licence. Now that I have grown up family and a resurged interest, they insist I need to resit my test which is now in 4 parts, 3 down 1 to go. I hope you have many happy thousands of miles riding your new bike. I wondered what alternatives you considered? The Triumph for example or perhaps the Honda CBR 1000 Neo Cafe' ( although as a NAKED bike that's not quite in the same category). To me it seems such a shame that the Suzuki GSX 1000F isn't very pillion friendly, it seems a great going bike with good handling, which markets itself as a Sports tourer but falls short on pillion and luggage carrying.
Thanks for your encouraging comment Michael. I was tempted to go with obnoxious music to cover up my dull voice. ;-) But next time I won't do that - I'll just do a radio presentators class or something and see whether I can be a bit more radio friendly. :-) Sorry to hear about the UK failing to add the category to your license. Sounds like they have some issues. I had a mate that moved there with no bike license, and they added full bike license onto his car license - so they definitely have some issues!
@@amateurhour3966 Thanks for your reply!! I really don't think you need the radio presenters coarse/ training, talking to yourself/ camera is always daunting at first, but confidence is inspired the more you do it. Just keep on making reviews and you'll be fine!! To be honest your review came across as honest and enthusiastic, both qualities I have found missing in some professional reviewers presentations!! Some now, are even script reading a pre written review, then editing it in over stock footage....Boring!! I hope I get to sit my test before Corona has us in lockdown?!! All the best...Michael.
Good riding impressions, Adam! Congratulations on the new motorcycle. With miles, my 2018’s engine vibration has steadily decreased. It dropped even further after changing to full-synthetic Motul 7100 10W-40 at 3000 miles, with the added benefits of noticeably smoother clutch and shifting action. I did install the heavier HVMP bar-ends at ~1000 miles, they were helpful but not really transformational in quelling vibration. Mileage and the oil change made a bigger difference, I'd say. Since it was purchased the bike has been on Metzeler M7RR tires and they've been an excellent match for how I use this machine. The Ninja has many niceties: a 5-gallon steel fuel tank allows use of magnetic tankbags and provides 200-mile range. Very effective LED headlights! I love the factory panniers, too. The riding position relaxes my arms thus making upper body movements easier when cornering. Overall, an excellent motorcycle and an exceptional value...if it came from Europe it would cost A LOT more.
In 2019 motojournalist Simon Weir did a massive tour of the USA on a 2017 Z1000SX. It served him very well, and he's a big dude who does not baby a motorcycle. And as an Englishman, yes he does go out in the mid-day sun in places like Arizona and Death Valley. Google him to find the trip blog.
Adam, it's been a gradual thing but the Motul 7100 @ 3000 miles was noteworthy for smoothness. Also, the majority of my riding is on twisty backroads where something like vibration isn't so noticeable. That said, never did my fingers or hands go numb or tingly. If I thought about the vibes, yes, I noticed it...otherwise, not really.
(Not sure what happened to my previous reply). :-/. Thanks Ricardo. I'm hopefully putting 3000k's on it over the next 10 days - so I'l look forward to seeing what happens with the vibrations. Even on my last ride I noticed it less. Whether that is me getting used to it, or it actually improving I don't know. Still fuzzy reflection in the mirror - but here's hoping! :-)
As with every other bike I've owned, vibes may change a bit with ambient temps but the overall trend should be improving. Also, when I finally added fork preload it seemed to have the side effect of reduced vibration! I theorize that the added fork length increased its effect as a vibration dampening component. It changed the "tune" of the front end, to which the bars are rigidly mounted. So if you need some extra preload anyway, for rider weight and riding style, see if you notice anything.
Thanks for the honest review mate, you've given me a couple things to watch for on my test ride.
Since making this video there's a few more things I've noted I need to report on. I hope to have 5,000kms on this bike in the next 2 weeks all going well, so will be doing an updated review then from a more experienced perspective. If you haven't got time to wait :-), take note of the heat from underneath on your feet and make sure you're OK with it, or that it disperses OK with your riding style.
Good review. I upgraded from an 06 VFR (write off) to the 1st gen ninja 1000 (2011). When I had the VFR I thought “I’d never change from the VFR”. Once I did some serious miles on the ninja I’d never go back to a VFR. The ninja out performed the VFR on every level and this ninja looks even better.
Thanks Miyagi. It seems a lot of people have been reluctant to change, but after a while they've preferred the Ninja over the VFR. I don't think this puts the VFR in any worse light - it takes a lot of good engineering to make someone like their motorcycle so much that they wouldn't change - I think it just exposes just how good Kawasaki engineers have been with their go of the Ninja.
I've posted this comment on a couple of other videos on TH-cam, and it is very true for your video:
"Thank you very much for a great video, very enjoyable. Your video helped convince me to buy a Ninja 1000 SX.
Took delivery of my 2021 model 3 weeks ago and have now completed the initial 1000 klm.
Am so, so happy with it and again thanks for helping to convince me>
Cheers from waydownunder :-)"
ps - have now done 2,000 klm in six weeks and it's better than ever !!
Fantastic to hear! Glad that the review was helpful and you're getting so much enjoyment out of your new purchase!
Great practical review. My VFR is over 100000km and there is no obvious replacement. Also under a bit of pressure to get a bike with mode rider aids and safety features. The Ninja was on the list, has moved up a few places. Thanks for going to the trouble to make the video.
Hi Robert. Good luck with your search! I hope you find a suitable replacement that you're happy with!
Good honest review, far better than the usual ones that just concentrate on the specs. I'm going to get one this year, so this vid really helps. Thanks :)
Hi Ally. Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. But thanks for your encouraging comment. All the best with your purchase!
Which road you riding brother? Great video, I'm buying one in a couple of weeks after my gsxr750 got stolen. Just waiting on insurance.
I have a 2023 and so far I cannot tell you anything that I do not like about it! smooth , powerful and handles great
So good to hear! Stay safe and have fun!
I have owned one for a month now and am very happy with my purchase. Very powerful nimble and comfortable ride. Handles the twisties very well. I'm probably going to keep mine for a long time.
Great to hear! May the tires stay the right side down. :-)
Great review mate! You shouldn't apologise for anything - this is great content and great real-world info. Your thoughts and opinions carry much weight because the VFR series is such a high benchmark. I completely understand your reluctance to change bikes because the VFR was such a fantastic bike. (My father owned one and one of my riding friends had one for many years. You cannot find a bad word about them).
The Ninja 1000SX is top of my short-list for many good reasons. It would appear to be a "Goldilocks" bike also.
I really think Kawasaki are in a purple patch right now. Their bikes, across the range, are amazing value and in a way they have kinda replaced Honda as the "quiet achiever" in the Japanese sphere. Honda just seems to get more conservative as the years tick over (?)
I think Kawasaki realised the value of electronics earlier than the other Japanese manufacturers (?)
Like you, before the Ninja came along, my current bike (2009 FZ1-S Gen II) is familiar, reliable, enjoyable & difficult to emotionally replace. I have also invested in suspension & ergonomic upgrades and my bike is like a favourite pair of shoes. But it has zero rider aids - the traction control is the webbing between my thumb & index finger & the synapses between my butt cheeks & my brain. And the "ABS" is the sensitivity of my index & middle fingers ;-)
Nevertheless "upgrade-itis" is a sickness I have always suffered from. Thank you for the real rider feedback.
Thanks so much for your response Simon. It surprises me that both Triumph and Honda had a following that they dropped, and Kawasaki and Suzuki were able to come along and pick up and carry it on. But I've never understood the decisions made with a lot of economics either. :-)
is it just me or has anyone else had a flashback of the Leyland Brothers ?
LOL. I had to google who they were. ;-)
this review is one of the best i've seen ever... great job. also amazing bike
Cheers Pjizzle. Glad that you enjoyed it!
Nice review, sir. I've recently moved up from a Ninja 650 to a 20018 Z1000SX, which is what Kawasaki used to call this bike in the UK.
The high beam on the 2018 model is done via a thumb button, with the trigger switch for the forefinger being used just for the "pass" flasher. I find that I sometimes accidentally activate the high beam when I wear a VisorCat on the glove. I guess you can't win. A note on the trigger button: make sure you check it as part of the pre-ride checks as I've heard it's a common problem for dirt to get in the mechanism and stop it working. In fact when I bought my model second hand from the dealer they had to fix it, which was easily done with some cleaning spray (WD-40, I was told. Other sprays are available.)
I found that when I ride, my heel often hits the pillion pegs mounting point. I always have the ball of the foot on the rider peg by default, and don't have huge feet. I've gotten used to it now so it's not a major annoyance.
Subscribed. Hope to see more nice videos.
Hi NooBiker. Thanks for the tip re checking the trigger button. I'll be keeping that in mind! I'll see what I can do about doing an updated video maybe at 10,000kms with more details once this COVID lockdown is done. Take care!
I appreciate this review. In 2017 I bought a barely used 2014 Ninja 1000 - had 1,472 miles on it. Before it I had spent at least a few hundred miles in the saddle of 9 other bike models - being a daily rider for 20 years, and my first marriage being to someone who rode as well. I knew I wanted something with some reasonable touring capability as I do that - my ex and I did an 8,000 mile across-the-USA road trip in 2014 on our own bikes (a ZR-7s and an R1100R.) I had read the specs and looked over the reviews and had a good mental idea of how I figured the bike would handle...and I was wrong about one thing: low speed handling was better than I expected. Sadly, that Ninja went to be a parts or project bike two months ago. It was written off after a failed theft attempt - the would-be thief had literally used a moving truck with the ramp extended to ram the bike against a garbage dumpster in an attempt to get it up the ramp when I interrupted him and he fled. After looking over what's available I ended up deciding to go with a 2021 1000SX.
FWIW, at least on my 2014 US model, that headlight switch existed but was only a momentary contact to flash the high beam. There was a typical high/low rocker switch where the mode and select buttons now are (those buttons used to be a rocker switch with a push button through the middle where the cruise control buttons now live.) I could change the engine power level (full or low) and traction control modes (off or 1-3; no names like "sport" then) while moving but only under some very low speed; not while underway on a highway. I was seriously disappointed in this after having ridden my ex's R1200RT and experienced the on-the-fly electronic suspension valving adjustment.
BTW, the "the bike also has to be in neutral" thing for the app reminded me of something else: I have the INNOVV K2 ride cam and the app will fail to connect if the phone GPS isn't turned on but the error will not remotely indicate that is the issue.
Sorry to hear about login your old bike with the attempted theft. Glad to hear that they didn't get away with it though! To be fair, the current model can have the modes changed on the fly - it just needs the throttle to be idle to do it (so you can coast momentarily while at speed). I've given an update do this in the updated review. :-) I haven't checked to see what differences there are with the 2021 model yet - but hope that you get a lot of enjoyment out of your upgrade. :-)
Great review mate! I listened with interest and I don't even ride a bike!! 🙂👍🙏🇬🇧🇦🇺
Wow. I didn't consider myself a real good presenter so your feedback (coming from a non-rider) is a real nice surprise. Thanks!
As a VFR fan, and now a happy 2014 N1K owner, I do wish for the same thing from Honda. A proper, modern, 1000cc V4 that is the answer to the Ninja. I love my Ninja (60,000 kilometres in two Canadian summers), but it'd be cool to see what Honda can do for a modern SPORT tourer.
Bang on indeed. I was hoping Honda would chime in, but even if they brought in a 1000 now - it would take a lot to win me back. They'd have to equal what Kawasaki have done PLUS tick the boxes that Kawasaki missed.
Great real rider review mate. We need more reviews now. Enjoy the bike
Thanks Bri. I hope to put out some updated reviews in the next month or so. I have a big trip planned shortly so I'll get a good idea of her by then.
Thanks for the great review. As a current o3 FZ1 Rider I feel like I can understand where you're coming from with your critique. I'm hoping to upgrade to the Ninja 1000 SX around this time next year.
Hi Kal. Glad that the review was helpful. Good luck with your decision!
Thanks for the review. I had a '04 VFR for more than a decade (and over 160,000km), then a break for a couple of years on a Daytona (the break was enforced by a wayward roo), before spending the last year on a '12 Ninja Z1000SX. I was initially cautious about the Ninja as I (like you) was an avid and devoted VFR fan. However part way through the year I rode a VFR again, and well, was disappointed. I found the VFR uncomfortable (I'm probably getting old!) and quite underpowered. I really enjoy the Ninja now, and it would appear that we have very similar ride styles. I've even commuted in Sydney peak traffic and found it quite capable in that situation. If the newer one is even smoother at slow speed, it will be a great all rounder. Now I just need to convince the boss to let me upgrade! While I have yet to do many fun day rides, I commute every day and have done several weekend trips on it. Enjoy your new ride :)
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. Anyway - sorry to hear about your roo experience - but glad to hear that you've been on the mend. Those Roo's are nasty - and I've had a couple of close encounters myself! After being on the 1KSX - the VFR is definitely undepowered for me now. I still find it comfortable - I kinda wish the Ninja was a compromise between what it is and what the VFR is - but beggers can't be choosers. :-)
AmateurHour Sounds similar. The roo was about 5 years ago now so well mended 👍
Hey !! Thanks from Arizona !! I’m eyeing a Ninja. Thanks for your honest evaluation !!!
You're more than welcome! Glad it's been helpful to you!
In AZ too. Eying this as well!
Apache Junction baby !! Thnx !!
Brilliant! Have VFR 8 years now and keep looking for a bike to switch... Would love 1000+ V4 engine, inline 4 seams to be less exiting I think. But, will test z1000sx and aprilia tuono. We will see what is more important for me ;)
All the best with your search!
I'm a VFR rider thinking about changing across, and couldn't appreciate this review series more.
So glad it was helpful. I figured there would be thousands of VFR riders facing the same question as me... where to go to. Good luck with your search and decision making!
Good report and nice to have you mention effective lean angle. I'm riding the same model since 2 weeks now and have only pulled out a 39° left...
Hi Vincent. Thanks for your kind comments, and I'm encouraged to hear that you've started riding the same model.
In regards to the lean angle my personal humble advise would be not to go chasing it. What I found is that I concentrated on the right lines - the lean angle naturally progressed safely more and more as I continued to ride that way. I've heard of people who go chase the lean angle and try and get over more or try and get a faster pace (instead of letting it be a natural progression of a better riding habit) - and they often come unstuck.
I also use the lines as an indicator to warn me when I'm tired or pushing too hard. I don't notice my tiredness, (or myself pushing the limits) - but what I do notice is that I start stuffing up the lines which are now 'natural' to me. When that happens, or I end up overshooting where I was planning to stop, or a few other indicators it's a warning flag that I need to re-evaluate myself because I'm going beyond my limit or are fatigued.
Great review! You can change drive modes while driving (in German version). It is just locked by trottle. Decrease to 0% and it will change.
Thanks Michael. Yes - I found this out later - I'm going to do an updated review in which I'll correct my mistakes. :-)
Comments written before mine said it all. This review is perfect. Thanks for that. I wanted a VFR 2020 but now it would be harder to decide because there is a Z1000 model 2020 ... I like it, I like it a lot 🙂
Thanks Roberto. Glad you like it!
Thanks again for this earlier video. I have a VFR800X which only gets 250km commuting to a tank (need to try harder to keep revs at about 4K). I also find the low speed handling and throttle is twitchy. But like the upright position, visibility and bright headlight.
I was just thinking the other day how I still (after all these years) miss the V4 sound of the VFR. Enjoy your bike. I'd still have my VFR if it wasn't for the wife making me upgrade. LOL. But thankfully the Ninja had enough good points to offset the things I miss of the VFR. Now if the two of them would only get together and have a child, then we'd be talking! ;)
Nicely done sir ! Your sense of humor is a positive addition to typical reviews. As well, your comparison to the VFR creates a greater depth for understanding. Have you experienced any odd fairing harmonics at specific frequencies ? This was a general nuisance on my last two Ninja"s. Cheers...
Thank you kindly! I'm glad you liked my weird sense of humour. :-) It's just me - I tend to just be who I am. Some people like it, some don't. I figure I need to be honest about myself as much as the bike.
In regards to the fairing harmonics - I can't say that I've noticed anything at all. Not having anything to compare it to - don't take my word on it alone - but I certainly haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.
10:53 These 'in tight out wide' lines are coincidentally also the ideal racing lines (if you hit the apex). That is because of the shallower lean angle on the exit, you can get on the gas much earlier and harder and thus get better corner exit speeds.
Really? I wasn't aware of that. I always thought the racing lines were in wide, out wide and touching the apex, and always thought there was a difference to the two. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for an excellent review. This is a strong contender to replace my 2005 ZZR1200 later this year.
Hi Scott. Thanks for the feedback! :-)
Thanks for the stellar review! Moto vloggers/journalists could take notes from you. You have help convince me this is my next ride. Thanks!
Cheers Morgan! Appreciate the encouragement!
Great review for an 'amateur!' Dude, this is pretty pro-level stuff- good work!
Hi Lee. Do you think? Maybe it's that I'm as hard a critic on my own creations as I am Kawasaki's. :-)
19l fuel tank with 350 range - it makes 5,4l per 100km. Wow this is great for a liter motorbike!
Sure is - I was surprised by it myself! I get more range than my VFR800!
Very good review I really appreciated that you covered the application with the mobile phone 📱 and the heated grips and other aspects of the bike . It’s safe to say that it’s a safe and secured 1000cc bike. Ride safe and enjoy 😉
Thanks Alpha Bro. I plan on doing a more detailed review if all goes well after going on a 3,000km touring trip in the twisties. I also hope to be able to cover other things such as the screen, heated grips, mobile app, etc in more detail then too - when I have more experience.
not sure if you know this yet, but you can change ride modes when throttle is closed
Hi - and thanks. Yes - this is covered I believe in a later video. But thanks for checking in none-the-less.
thanks for the information. i was going to upgrade from a MT-07 to a supersport, but the more i think about it the more i'm leaning towards the ninja 1000sx just because i like taking long rides and i only ride on the street so all the electronics would really benefit me.
So far the electronics have been great. I can give the throttle stick and I notice at certain revs the front wheel begins to lift momentarily but then goes back down - although I haven't notice the throttle retarding. it doesn't 'cut' the power completely - it seems to be very smooth and controlled - almost unnoticeable. Still got more riding to do to know for sure - but so far, seems brilliant.
Thanks for the review, I am looking for a Sports Tourer to replace my Triumph Sprint GT which I have really enjoyed clocking up 30 thousand in less than two years. The category is diminishing in choice so it was good to hear your opinion.
Glad I could help. Good luck with your search!
Did you buy the ninja?
Really good review! You have nothing to worry about, mate. You make fine videos.
Thank you so much. I appreciate the feedback!
Good shout with the upgrade to better safety specs. I just crashed my 2000 vfr 800 due to front end lock up during an emergency stop. I really wished I had abs as I really love this bike. I am know learning and seeing what's available out there to upgrade too. Newer vfr 800, 1000zx or gsxs1000. If anyone else has suggestions I'm all ears.
Sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you got out of it OK and no serious injuries. I'll be honest, the 1000sx isn't a VFR upgrade, it is a crossgrade. I still have my VFR (got to get around to selling it), and the one thing I constantly miss on the SX is that 'sport touring' seating position (well, that and the centre stand still) ;-). But life is about compromises and no one is going to make the perfect bike for me - and a year on I'm still very satisfied with my decision. Good luck with your search.
@@amateurhour3966 thankyou for your comment. I am OK just bruised lol I'm actually looking at a newer vfr 800, who knows what I'll end up with.
Keep up the good work Adam! I too have ridden the 2019 model and was left disappointed, particularly with the snatchy throttle. I ended up buying a new Triumph Speed Triple in the end, but will look at the Ninja again when I’m tempted to change.
I think there are definitely a lot of upgrades with this one (at least with my limited experience of the 2019). But the Speed Triple is a formidable bike as well - I'm sure you're going to get a lot of enjoyment out of it. One of my mates has one. I was just wanting something with a bit more fairing.
Hi David here I thought I would mention my run experience ,I brought a kawasaki z900 2020 and was pleasantly surprised when I was told to ride the bike as it was run in a.ready . They said don't go ridiculous but just ride normally regards david
Good to hear you've had a great experience! Safe riding!
Great Bike. Do you have any issues with finding neutral? Is it easy to shift from second gear to the neutral? Thank you.
@@amateurhour3966 Thank you
Hi Vladislav. No problems finding neutral when the bike is stopped. It won't let you go into 2nd without moving - so it has a built in neutral finder.
Another VFR former owner looking in this direction. I was originally looking towards a kawasaki versys 1000 but realized the bike was very similar to the n1sx for a lot more money. I think I'll get a new N1sx and something small to do on/off road stuff.
Yes, it's crazy to see that Honda never offered up an upgrade path but just dropped sports touring altogether, but thankfully we have Kawasaki that have come to the rescue. I think the versys will allow for a little more adventuring, but I never really looked too hard at it TBH - I was really looking for the closest thing to a VFR replacement so I was a little narrow minded. ;-)
Excellent review, thank you. On the vibrating mirrors, I often wondered if attaching a little lead to each mirror somehow, say a little strip along the top of the mirror (small but heavy enough) would solve vibrating issues. Could attach it with tape as a test and if it worked find a way of permanent attachment in behind the glass within the unit. Maybe not for a new bike!
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. Thanks Noel for your idea. Others have mentioned they expect the vibrations to lessen as I put more k's on it first - so we'll wait and see what happens. Fingers crossed. :-)
Fantastic review - can't wait to hear more from you on this bike!
Thanks Kyle for your encouraging feedback.
I don’t like the tire pressure sensors because they tend to freak out when you run lower pressure which I basically always do (30/30psi) and I don’t want to ride everywhere with that warning
You should be able to set the parameters of the warning. So if I was going to run 30/30, I could set the warning for 25psi so no alarm would sound for 'normal' riding - and would only warn except in event of a puncture. At least that's the option I have in mine.
Nice job mate I have had two ninja 1000's and the 2020 model is the best, you will not regret the decision - one aspect you may not have tested yet is to open her up on some nice sweepers, this will put a smile on your face this bike has two personalities and I don't think you have met the angry one yet :) . You can also change the riding modes on the fly, just drop the throttle a touch while pressing the up or down button and it will change.
Thanks tanamite44. You're right - you can change the riding mode - I've learned that since making this video. As for opening it up - I've learned that sports mode isn't to be taken lightly. :-)
Again, an interesting perspective on the new 1000SX. I had a 2015 1000SX for a couple years and while I did appreciate the bike, the slow speed turning, lack of cruise control and a few other minor niggles led me to move onto something different. Now I've ordered the new bike, I'm very excited especially as everyone seems to say the low speed instability has been resolved and the new electronics package has brought in cruise control and a quick shifter.
Regarding the engine buzzing, I mentioned this a few times when I got my 2015 bike and was effectively told to ride around it. It was always between 4k-5krpm and it did disappear if I dropped a gear - this also added to the fun a bit :P. I fully expect the same buzz in the new bike as they haven't materially changed the engine, but all the other positives about the bike have me thinking this is such a minor point, it didn't factor into my decision.
Thanks for your comment. The buzz has actually reduced to the point that I can't recognise it at around 4k anymore. Others told me it would if I put a few k's under the belt - which appears to be the case! :-)
Got those Hopnel liners and they fit fine. Thanks for the tip!
Glad that this was helpful to you, and that you most likely saved a bit of cash. My pain is your gain! :-) Enjoy riding and stay safe!
This is exactly the review I was looking for... I'm coming from a VFR as well, love the VFR, but want some of the more advanced safety features available right now. Thanks!
Thanks Jeff. Glad it was helpful! I do miss the more sportier seating position of the VFR - a great compromise between touring and too sporty - but all in all - since there is no other bike remotely equivalent to the discontinued VFR - this is from what I can see the next best logical choice. I am a tough critic though. :-) There is an updated video that I did after getting some k's on it that can be viewed here if it's of any help. studio.th-cam.com/users/videovwID17PKp3U/comments Good luck with your searching and stay safe. :)
@@amateurhour3966 One more question: I heard, but can’t seem to find details, that the 2020 Ninja 1000sx comes in 3 flavours - ‘Performance’, ‘Touring’ and a ‘Performance touring’ (which has all the bells). Which version is yours and why did you decide on it? Thanks!
Great review mate.
I have a 04 Blackbird and like you I’ve been hanging out for Mr Honda to come up with a replacement with ABS/traction etc for my 80,000 k bike that I love, but they haven’t.
The SX is one I am thinking about. Thanks.
I can live without the App and lean angles.
Question, where was that great road/s in the review please.
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Hi Ross. Glad the review was helpful. The roads here were all in Victoria. Most of the roads were up in the Alpine area. (Omeo highway, Falls Creek and Mt Hotham)
Excellent review. All bases covered. And a VFR lover too. Thats a win/win for me; subbed
Thanks BB. I hope to make your subscription worth while with an updated review in a few weeks time. (Planning on going on a 3,000km + trip in the next 10 days or so).
@@amateurhour3966 Thanks for the reply :) Btw; it's rumoured that if you press the horns of a Z1000, a VFF800, a Triumph Sprint and a Suzuki Gsxs 1000 simultaneously it produces a perfect g7b9 chord ;)
Really good review mate, nice one. Clear, useful for a potential owner.
Thanks Adam. Glad the information was useful!
When you say vfr is it the 800 you are talking about? Did you not get the vfr1200 in Australia? I would imagine it would have fit the bill perfectly 🤔
Hi. Correct, I got the VFR800.
None of the pro reviews have mentioned mirror vibration. Could it be that your wheels need rebalancing? Especially given that it only occurs at 60 mph. I appreciate your comments about the wind screen. Perhaps an aftermarket extension, such as those used on adventure bikes, would help. All in all, good job on this. Please post an update after your first 1k miles.
Hi John. I thought I mentioned (but may have forgotten to) - that the vibration in the mirrors disappear as soon as I slip in the clutch. There's definitely a small vibration there - some tell me that it should get less over time.
Thank you so much for this review.
Very good review, the bike I would prefer if I was to surrender my existing Motocycle. I love the sound of the V4 and a big four in line.
I have to say how well you covered the points in a relaxed way with humour (more dry humour please, only it may get you more dislikes from people who have problems understanding it). Your style of riding is almost identical to mine by the way, I don’t see it very often.
All the best from the U.K.
Adam Rider Hello Adam
It’s good to hear the humour is deep set, I find in times of adversity I’m possibly a little jovial because of that.
Yes, I was referring to the lines you take on live traffic roads, it is refreshing to see, I too am a little particular about that and sometimes cringe when I see others courting an accident taking racing lines.
On a further note to the 1000sx I am rather taken with the H2 version but no way can I afford that. The super charger sounds brilliant.
Look forward to your next vid.
Hi Jonathan. Not sure what happened to my previous comment - but thanks for he encouraging feedback - it won't be hard to have dry humour in future reviews if I get the chance to make another one. (Which I'm hoping to) - the trick is getting me to shut up my dry humour. ;-)
Encouraging to hear that you have the same riding style too - hopefully the review is very informative for you. Take care and stay safe!
On my 2017 Ninja 1000, I can change ride modes while in motion if I pull in the clutch & close the throttle. Not ideal but I don't have to stop.
Thanks for the comment John. Some others have picked me up on this, which I've corrected in my updated video. :-)
Nice honest review buds. Well done. Once the engine breaks in the buzz should go away. These engines are known for being butter smooth.
Thanks Sheldon. I plan on having a total of around 5,000kms after doing a tour trip in the next couple of weeks - so I will try and get an updated review and updates on the buzz. Encouraging to know it should disappear.
Hi, I'm looking at getting this bike as well for commuting/long trips. I'm the same height as you and was wondering if you're using the stock windscreen or the tall version? Also if you could comment on whether or not you feel vibration in the bars at 60-80mph that would be a lot of help for me.
Hi. I'm using the stock windscreen, but it's not tall enough to protect helmet, only the torso. The vibration is diminishing. (I've done a follow-up review since this one). I've only done 3,300kms so far on it but the vibration is already reducing. Hope this helps. :-)
Have the 2018 model. It's just a great bike, as you say sheep dog like. If you're having a crap day and on the commute home and see roundabouts as chicanes, it's fantastic, conversely, you have had a pay rise, and just want to idle home nice and relaxed, it's just as fantastic. Key point for me was changing tyres to the Roadtec 01, brilliant handling and comfort, and those pesky 600's on the B roads get left way behind.
Thanks for the tip with the Roadtec's. I've been using Michelin Road 5's so far - they've been doing a great job too.
2 weeks ago i got a 2024 ninja1000sx and love it. Good review
Great stuff. It's definitely a beaut machine! Enjoy it, and stay safe.
Sounds like you had an older VFR model without the traction control and ABS...would this 1000sx have been so praised in comparison to the more updated VFR with those features which also had it's VTEC recalibrated?
I couldn't say sorry. I was going to buy a new VFR and held off for 2 years hoping that Honda were going to bring them back, but they didn't. My review is only based on my VFR (5th Gen I believe it was) for comparison.
Honda has really dropped the ball in the last few years. I have been a VFR fan and an ST1300 fan. I have been able to live with linked brakes, but I never felt that the complexity of their VTEC system was necessary. The addition of more controls over the past few years has negatively affected the high beam control position. I have a Concours 14 and a 2011 Z1000 and the high beam control is like that on the VFR, but that is pretty much all that is there. I am not sure the position would be a problem for me as I cover the clutch and brake levers at all times. Most inline four cylinder engines are a little buzzy, unfortunately. I hope it isn't too annoying. I would suggest a good throttle synchronization, but I am not sure that is even an option with throttle by wire. I am glad that you like your new Ninja.
The position isn't a problem for me either having ridden it more. I'm not sure why I hit it 2 times on the first day. New bike I guess. Anyway - it hasn't been a problem since. I'll be putting over 3,000kms on it in the next 10 days or so (if COVID-19 doesn't shut down the trip) and will be able to report back more then.
I got it. Rode it down the Island Highway yesterday. I look like a complete newby because the gear I am wearing is so stiff and I am not used to touring pants and the footpeg position. Oh well, didn't drop it coming up to the ferry ticket wicket. That would have been sad. I had it in Rain as well and on that very high speed highway, well, it was shame. Still getting used to riding again after 35 years thereabouts. For Triple Clamp lift and rear swingarm I got these off Amazon.ca. Doubt they sell them where you are. I decided against putting in the link, but here is a description.
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Island highway, high speed? When we ride it you're lucky to hit 100km/h, get to the Malahat and it slows down even more. No good roads on the Island, which is why I sold my zx-10r.
Fantastic! Great to hear Chris. Don't worry about putting links in - I'm not fussed by that. If someone else may find it useful - go for it. (Provided they're relevant links - spammers trying to resell toilet paper will be deleted ;-) )
@@bigpapa8152 Haven't you been up past oh what is it, Lantsville, something like that. Yes it is really bad down south, with the ghost car cops as well. And they are up north also, but once getting closer to Parksville the speed goes up to 110 and I am constantly passed when driving my car up there. Most popular speed seems to be 120 to 140 in that area. All those fast KIA SUV's. haha.
A really fast area is just south of Campbell River. It is go for it area. Definitely a place to test top speed in my opinion. Little if any traffic a lot of times. In my AMG I was followed by a Maserati and we took turns trying to get top speed before getting to close to Campbell River. It was fun.
Then north of Campbell River but the roads eventually deteriorate the further north you go like to Port Hardy. Out to Gold River though is pretty nice I seem to recall.
I have been told the road to Ucluelet is jammed with construction. Too bad, that is a bike road for sure. It would be so nice with an entirely new surface on it. I first went on that road back in the mid 80's with a buddy on his 650 and we got passed by a guy on a Ducati and tried to follow him. He really knew the road.
Too bad you sold your bike.
@@cdon2day Riding a Concours now, and will be making my first trip to Tofino once the world gets back to as normal as it gets.
Be nice to ride on some fast roads with hopefully not a shit tonne of traffic.
Great points about the street riding lines vs. the racetrack lines. I do the same. And I should clarify that I think the Ninja is a brilliant machine. It’d be nice to get a 2020, but the last two months has taken that off of the table this year. Might pick one up next spring when they are clearing out the showrooms, or hopefully find an essentially unridden used one. Or maybe, just maybe, Honda will drop a perfect VFR on us. Their new CBR1000 is a brilliant bike, but it's obviously not a sport touring rig. And it's not a 90° V4. I’ll likely and very happily end up on another big Ninja. Thanks again!
Hi KK. Thanks for the feedback. I understand completely - in my shoes right now - I also would be postponing. (As I've always been very conservative and cautious). It will be interesting to see what happens with future development. I'm thinking that COVID may have a huge hit on R&D (amongst other sectors) financially. Time will tell.
You can change riding modes while riding. Just don't twist the throttle while changing modes
Thanks for the correction. Unfortunately youtube won't allow me to put captions on the video to 'correct' this, but this has been mentioned in the updated / more recent video.
I went from a Triumph Sprint (very similar to a VFR) to a 2016 of these. Agree with very thing except the seat. I could do 400km in one go. 150km's on the ninja is getting uncomfortable.
Looking to get the 2020 model soon. Thanks for the review.
Hi Ken. When looking for my first bike it was a close call between the VFR and the Sprint. The decision for me in the end was which one became available for me to buy first - which ended up being the VFR. Not having rid the Sprint I do feel like I've missed out a bit. Both the VFR and Sprint were excellent bikes for their days. I'm just glad that Kawasaki have taken up the ST market where the other two have dropped it. Good luck with your 2020 purchase!
Never had an issue with mirrors on my 2021 model.
Good to hear! Maybe they've tweaked something, or maybe my bike was unique. Either way - it's encouraging to know!
Thank you! This is exactly the information I am looking for. I've been riding my VF1000F2 now for almost 33 years and though it is still riding well, as you said also: no abs etc. and well, a change can be nice sometimes (but not too often 😉). So my eyes fell on the Ninja. Still, don't know if I will be able to say goodbye to the VF, feels like bringing your dog to the shelter. Who could do that?
Glad to hear I was providing helpful information. :-) My VFR is gone now. Just this weekend I was commenting on how well it rode the corners - like being on tracks. But it rode them so well, I had to nail the corner right, or it was a lot of work to 'correct'. The ninja is definitely more forgiving in that nature. I've learned in life there is no best - there are just different pro's and cons. While I do miss the VFR - I do wonder how much 'trouble' it may have started to give me in it's later years with so many k's under the belt and I do appreciate the security I get from having a newer/younger bike when going on bigger rides with less fear that something is getting to the end of it's life span. Good luck with your decision - it took me a long time, but if I'm honest I don't have any regrets. (Well, one... why didn't Honda keep the VFR going and go to a 1000!!!) ;)
@@amateurhour3966 It’s been a while since I watched your video for the first time. It was when I was tempted by the Ninja as my next bike. I finally bought one, second-hand, low-mileage and has been really loving this bike a lot. I’ve had several motorcycle holidays with it and have clocked 25000 km on it. What do I don’t like? Not much, really. I wish it had a taller sixth gear, a real overdrive for using on the motorway when you have to cover greater distances at 140km/h. And the keys. I find them to long and flimsy and have bent both of them.
I’ve never owned or ridden an VFR although I always thought that the earlier ones were among the best looking and best sounding motorcycles around. But afte two years on the Ninja I think I can relate to your initial point of view « … from a VFR owner’s perspective » as I start to develope a « Ninja owner’s perspective ». I try to proyect myself into the future when time will come to replace the Ninja, I have the chance to live in a city with plenty of motorcycle dealers around and I test-ride bikes that I like from time to time and I have the impression that I have just been lucky to have found the perfect bike for me. Maybe an updated version would tempt me, who knows. Until then, I feel so at home every time I sit on that bike and start that engine. Regards
Do you do any 2 up riding? Would help if I can show her someone actually riding with 2 people. Hopefully pick one up this coming week.
I did with my wife a couple of weeks ago - haven't got any video at this stage yet sorry - life is a bit hectic but I hope to be able to do some video and comment on the 2-up in the near future.
Nice review! Perhaps they changed it but on mine you can switch traction control modes while riding you just have to let off the throttle..mine is a 2018. Take care and keep making vids! great job!😀
Hi StormtrooperNina. Thanks for the feedback. And you're right - numerous people have corrected me on that since I uploaded this video. Unfortunately youtube have removed the ability to add captions after the event to allow me to put a correction on this video. :-(
Thanks for this, torn on this and the Gsx 1000 GT, comming from VFR its nice to get a comparison.
I haven't ridden the Suzuki, but from what I've heard, I understand why you are torn. I don't think you'd go wrong either way would you? ;-)
@@amateurhour3966 no, for sure. Both are great bikes. The GT seems a bit more analogue and possibly more fun.
Nice review, thx! Just a question...is there a USB or a 12V mount at the steering or somewhere around the cockpit?
Yes there is but it's an extra.
It depends on which model you purchase. The base very green model, not the SE designation that is more black than Kawi green, didn't have a power outlet but had the pop-out for it on the fairing dash. The SX SE model does have the power outlet. As for USB, I don't remember seeing that mentioned anywhere but the display is Bluetooth enabled for linking phones and music sources that have Bluetooth. I was told the SE model had the heated grips and the other base didn't. Hence the $200 price difference here in Canada.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it. For me this was an extra that I had to pay for. I wasn't given an option with differnet 'options' of the bike - it was just one setup, and pay for the extra's myself.
Look a lot more comfortable than my Panigale mate . Great video.
I've done a 700+km on it, and it was very comfy the whole time that's for sure. Thanks for watching.
A very good review covering all the points I have been concerned about. Just decided to get back into riding after decades of not, and this was my second choice for a new bike. It is on order, here in British Columbia, and due to protesters, container ships not getting into port, railway backlogs, world going to hell with virus scares, it is going to be much later than when I was told at the time of deposit. First was the outrageous and still makes me drool, Aprilia Tuono. Still would like one, for the sound, but maybe I should just get a really good recording of them.
I could tell by just seeing the bike and sitting on it, it's mine. Feet pretty well flat on the ground, and I am 5'10". The amount of forward lean was just like how I had set up my third bike, a Suzuki GS 750 EX '81. It will take some time getting used to the nutcracker seating to the tank. Forcing me to ride responsibly to avoid the pain.
I did find what you said about the heated grips something to note and remember. So odd that they don't have the grips integrated into the Display. I have never had heated grips. My car has heated seats that are great on a really cold day. Bikes with fairings usually don't need a heated seat, all the engine heat comes out at our legs.
Regarding the video quality itself. You did a fine job. I hope to do one when I get mine, as well as a few trip videos on Vancouver Island and the mainland. The road to Tofino on the west coast of the island is an incredible road for a motorcycle. Can be busy though. Thanks.
@@amateurhour3966 Having ridden my '12 through summer and winter I haven't noticed any heating problems.
@@amateurhour3966 when I had my GS 750 EX it wasn't faired originally but I bought one for it and then noticed the temperature when stuck in city traffic. It would get quite hot.
I just got a call the other day from the dealer telling me the bike is off the ship and going for shipping over to Vancouver Island. It is summer down there for you, our forecast is for snow tonight. So if it comes in late today it will be a few days before getting it. Driving in snow on a motorcycle, a street bike, isn't much fun. Really wakes a person though.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - I think youtube caught COVID-19 and deleted my replies. :-/ Good luck with your purchase - I hope all goes well and this virus scare settles down soon! Thanks for your kind and detailed reply.
Re the grips - another gripe I have about them is that there's no tactile feeling with the switch. I spend a lot of time looking down when getting them first turned on to make sure they're on the right setting. There's a lot that can be improved there.
@@amateurhour3966 I find that too with trying to use the signals with gloves on. Difficult. The rest of those controls I have to stop, other than the high beam, which I did the same as you once.
Nice review👌...please post a video about display consol in detail.
Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it.
I'll try and post a video about this in more detail over the next few weeks. All going well - I have a big road trip on this bike to get out of the way first. ;-)
Good review really thinking of getting one. Now I want to see a review were you put it on sport mode haha
Hi David,
Hmm - in the state of Victoria - a good way for me to lose my license and get locked up. ;) I do have an updated video th-cam.com/video/vwID17PKp3U/w-d-xo.html where I was past the break-in period that might be of interest. :-)
It's a dream for most of us in other countries... enjoy... u r lucky to be riding and enjoying...
Hi Praveen. Not so much -we're locked down as well now. Bike has been garaged for some time - these video's were taken before the COVID outbreak. Hoping that we'll all get out riding again soon. Stay safe!
Adam what are the service intervals? I've read on MCN that it's only annually or 12,000km but the local dealer said every six months or 6000km (I think he's mistaken) I believe his figure is based on the previous model?
Adam Rider awesome news! Thanks for the reply mate. I’ve put a deposit on one in gunmetal. April pick up 😎🥳
Warranty book says 6,000kms. Manual states 12,000. Dealer told me 12,000 - that the warranty book is for all their bikes (generic warranty booklet) - so to go with the manual. (I believe I responded previous but youtube has wiped all my replies off - sorry).
Wonderful news! I bet you're counting the days. :-)
Great review, thanks very much! This sounds like a dream machine.
You're more than welcome!
Fantastic review and insights.
Hi Mike S. Thanks for your kind feedback. (Not sure what happened to my previous reply - youtube seems to have deleted it.)
As a Honda fanboy I agree with you completely.
Thanks Dorstefan! It was hard to jump ship - honestly - but I have no regrets now. Just sold my VFR only this week . Holding onto it for another 18 months and not riding it much it didn't hurt as much as it would have 18 months ago. ;-)