Minecraft redstone has changed

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  • @ThatMumboJumbo
    @ThatMumboJumbo  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7751

    TO CLARIFY: Quasi Connectivity is still in the game, just redstone dust no longer causes an update to pistons that are BUD powered. If you powered a line of pistons from above using dust on transparent blocks, the pistons will only extend when manually updated, where as previously the dust itself would update the pistons. I personally would argue this is actually more confusing to new players!
    I will update this comment with good videos that also reference these changes so you can form a super balanced opinion yourselves:
    Inspector Talon (Minecart focused): th-cam.com/video/GQAKWct7Sj8/w-d-xo.html
    Purplers (going through changes): th-cam.com/video/L0q2DpQGktM/w-d-xo.html
    Crafty (ranking the changes): th-cam.com/video/f_JV1aX9aqA/w-d-xo.html
    Minecart change update: It may actually be harder to pick up mobs in Minecarts now, as it requires a collision which is tricky with the new hitboxes. The old system of getting a minecart close to a bunch of mobs stored in a 1x1 area does not currently work.

    • @Liz.CottageCore
      @Liz.CottageCore 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

      Mumbo shall be a judge

    • @BethKage13
      @BethKage13 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Thank you kindly, good sir!

    • @MaxwellCatAlphonk
      @MaxwellCatAlphonk 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Thankz :)

    • @purple9847
      @purple9847 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Ty

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +130

      Thank you for using your platform to raise the visibility of _exactly_ the type of constructive criticism Mojang asked for, from Minecrafters with smaller reach.

  • @gringee2231
    @gringee2231 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +11091

    The minecart changes might be one of the most fun little changes they’ve made in a while

    • @reconpuffin
      @reconpuffin 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +118

      To bad they've lost alot of us over the years :( woulda been nice 10 years ago

    • @purple_dragon2
      @purple_dragon2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +370

      ​@@reconpuffin they may have lost a lot of people but they're still gaining new people as well

    • @gamingfrog1234
      @gamingfrog1234 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +145

      the removal of stacking is awful though, i make traps out of stacking tnt minecarts to obliterate ppl

    • @reconpuffin
      @reconpuffin 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@purple_dragon2 true but are the 10 year olds going to stay?

    • @Mekhami
      @Mekhami 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +97

      unfortunately it cripples modern storage tech :/ which is really really frustrating. mojang refuses to give us inventory upgrades and item management solutions, so the community has successfully innovated storage tech in dramatic, creative, efficient, complex ways, and the minecart change will erase all of that progress.

  • @aud9931
    @aud9931 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5259

    “People who want to blow up their friends quickly and efficiently are absolutely devastated.” Mumbo, better go check in on Grian in this trying time

    • @dogdjinn
      @dogdjinn 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +178

      tbh i feel like stacking tnt minecarts was cheap, and people will do more interesting things if it's gone

    • @blademasterzero
      @blademasterzero 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +133

      @@dogdjinnI don’t know how you get cheap out of 5 iron per minecart honestly. It’s the only method of creating a large compact explosive in the game too so it’s not like people can just “figure out” other methods and people certainly do want big explosives still

    • @davesunhammer4218
      @davesunhammer4218 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +174

      @@blademasterzero I do't think cheap was refering to resource cost (could be wrong), but very base compaired to other things, and definitelly a "griefer" approach in some communities.

    • @thepowerful7593
      @thepowerful7593 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

      @@blademasterzero 5 iron per cart is cheap if you have an iron farm

    • @blademasterzero
      @blademasterzero 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      @@davesunhammer4218 having the feature means compact explosives which are as stated super handy for traps and such, I don’t think it’s cheap as it is more advanced and actually useful compared to alternatives (like literally every other trap idea will either do nothing to a player or be stopped by a bucket of water)

  • @FakeDogs
    @FakeDogs 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3457

    So glad mumbo made it clear that this is experimental and to not get angry - because I've been seeing a lot of that due to this

    • @majesticeagle5461
      @majesticeagle5461 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +139

      Honestly nobody should get angry anyways, because most of the changes that break contraptions were fixing bugs.

    • @chear8145
      @chear8145 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +99

      Yeah
      I saw this one comment on another video that was along the lines of "if mojang doesn't revert this then we should riot" and that was just so stupid, i ended up replying saying that we should be getting mad at this because we don't need to yell at mojang to make them listen because they actively want to listen and avoid another copper bulb situation

    • @thecontrollerwolf1585
      @thecontrollerwolf1585 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

      ​@@majesticeagle5461 just because theyre fixing bugs, doesn't mean that the changes and fixes are good, cause those bugs quite literally didn't affect anything else other than redstone. Not all bugs need to be fixed

    • @PJOZeus
      @PJOZeus 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      So what? Yes it's experimental, the entire point is so people can express their displeasure and how much they don't or do want it
      If the opposition all quietly said 'nah pass' while those in favour of were bouncing around like maniacs having parties, it would be going through
      They're fighting for their opinion, and that's valid

    • @FakeDogs
      @FakeDogs 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +92

      @@PJOZeus there's a difference between fighting for your opinion and getting mad.

  • @lynxrbeam8732
    @lynxrbeam8732 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1466

    Every other TH-camr: “Minecraft redstone is Ruined, here’s why.”
    Mumbo: Genuine constructive feedback

    • @Yoshikage-Kira2
      @Yoshikage-Kira2 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

      I'd like to correct 'Mumbo' to 'King of redstone'

    • @nikon1nja
      @nikon1nja 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      that's why he's the GOAT

    • @Respear
      @Respear 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

      mumbo ain't the best redstoner he is just the most popular one, don't put him on a pedestal

    • @RandomPerson13
      @RandomPerson13 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Respear i put your mom on a pedestal

    • @LionCrafter23
      @LionCrafter23 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Respear true

  • @hamish555
    @hamish555 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10948

    your professional opinion on this Redstone update was much needed by the community

    • @IAmMegatoron
      @IAmMegatoron 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      @@Najeeb_Gamer7788 please stop no one likes that

    • @Devynnohseven
      @Devynnohseven 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Najeeb_Gamer7788 gives a shit

    • @BaconMaster-ie1bn
      @BaconMaster-ie1bn 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +96

      I would watch purpler or crafty I think they go a bit more in dept with it

    • @hamish555
      @hamish555 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

      @@BaconMaster-ie1bn mumbo mentioned purpler in the video/desc

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +203

      ​@@BaconMaster-ie1bnThe important thing isn't that he's the best technical mind in the community, but that he's the one with the _biggest audience._

  • @christopherwhite7619
    @christopherwhite7619 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1475

    For a non-movable transparent block I suggest "Redstone Glass"
    Smelt Redstone in a furnace or blast furnace, get Redstone Glass blocks that would allow you to replicate the effects of current transparent blocks.

    • @Faefire
      @Faefire 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +290

      That's a good idea. Maybe normal glass with redstone dust instead of dye in the middle would be a solution as well.

    • @ryanreklaw
      @ryanreklaw 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +145

      I like that idea; though(like Faefire said) I think just using dust instead of dye would be a great new glass recipe

    • @LukiKruki
      @LukiKruki 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      It doesn't make sense. Make it a glass surrounded by 4 redstone dusts like redstone lamp recipe in crafting table.

    • @arie1906
      @arie1906 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      how about glass-logging redstone? Same as waterlogging but with glass, also water-proof redstone ;)

    • @blazeking5544
      @blazeking5544 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      How about tinted glass?

  • @rytan4516
    @rytan4516 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2952

    As a programmer, I can understand why they went with "if the order can't be determined, the order will be random" as the solution. Nothing is worse than having something that works while you're making it and breaks the moment you try to move it into the real world - whether it's code or redstone involved. When something works at random, it's a lot easier to notice the problem and fix it than if something works but it's positional - you won't notice it unless you copy it to a new position. So adding randomness, in this case, seems to mostly be to help make unobvious problems become obvious.

    • @thatchapthere
      @thatchapthere 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +245

      Yeah, currently locationality is hash based and the snapshot log was pretty explicit that Mojang don't like this.

    • @dawiddulian2403
      @dawiddulian2403 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      Huh, that's actually a great point!

    • @Pegaroo_
      @Pegaroo_ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      "real world"??

    • @Tiypo1337
      @Tiypo1337 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +192

      @@Pegaroo_ A lot of people have a redstone world where they test their contraptions, then go make said contraptions on a SMP server in a location that doesn't match the coordinates on the test server.

    • @digitaldritten
      @digitaldritten 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

      ​@@Pegaroo_ either the minecraft world you want the redstone on, or the code project you need the code in. it's implying you created the redstone/code on a test world.

  • @exterminator9676
    @exterminator9676 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +429

    I love you for specifying it's an experiment instead of "OH MY GOD THIS UPDATE IS COMING NEXT PICOSECOND!!!"

    • @JustaGuy_Gaming
      @JustaGuy_Gaming 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      To be fair though if people didn't react poorly, Mojan would just think it's fine and push it through. Sad to say when it comes to "feed back" over the internet, it's only the loudest voices that get heard.

    • @nether_bat
      @nether_bat 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JustaGuy_Gaming bundles

    • @TragicGFuel
      @TragicGFuel 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@JustaGuy_Gaming that's not how it works llmao

    • @arn3107
      @arn3107 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@TragicGFuelthen please, by all means, enlighten us on how it does

    • @TragicGFuel
      @TragicGFuel 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@arn3107 well, the way it works is:
      1) Technical Feasibility
      2) Impact on sales and/or other game mechanics
      3) Testing
      There's more, but we as game developers, don't just "add a button", "hope no one notices" and "magically make it the default".
      No, there's a team dedicated to community outreach, gathering data and performing analyses of what is the ideal path to take.

  • @QueenGreenflame
    @QueenGreenflame 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2156

    7-year-old me is squealing with delight over the fact that minecarts can do jumps now, if only I could make one last minecraft roller coaster with my best friend 💔

    • @Narinjas
      @Narinjas 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      SORRY

    • @Gallarday
      @Gallarday 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Aw, may I ask you to share what happened?

    • @Syvern.
      @Syvern. 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@GallardayThey grew apart 😢

    • @QueenGreenflame
      @QueenGreenflame 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +128

      @@Gallarday nothing serious, we just grew apart, but I really miss talking to them :(

    • @burger_hoarder
      @burger_hoarder 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +100

      @@Syvern. imagine spreading misinformation that doesnt relate to you

  • @ethanglaeser9239
    @ethanglaeser9239 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1127

    I love the calm and non-controversial nature of this appraisal. It is nice to see people approach new things with class.

    • @CivilMold
      @CivilMold 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

      We definitely need more of this, especially in regards to new features that are still in the early concept phase because then it's more likely that the new features will be implemented in a favorable way instead of a unpopular mess that then needs to be fixed or rolled back /gen

    • @ethanglaeser9239
      @ethanglaeser9239 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +69

      @@CivilMold Yeah. It really frustrates me to see "Mojang ruined Minecraft" videos and thumbnails, because nothing is actually ruined. They are trying to work with the community on changes with is actually amazing. They interface with the Minecraft community in a way that is unmatched anywhere else.

    • @Crafty_boy70
      @Crafty_boy70 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      @@CivilMold This is one of the rare cases where Mojang is actively looking for feedback rather than simply being open to it (as per the blog post) so they're definitely not set on anything yet.

    • @CivilMold
      @CivilMold 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      @@Crafty_boy70 Exactly my point, this makes it easier for Mojang to find actual feed back like Mumbo's video so that they can improve it instead of having to sift through a bunch of people complaining without providing ways to do so

    • @Aras14
      @Aras14 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      ​@@CivilMoldyeah, on the feedback page, there are a lot of "revert this" comments with no arguments and misconceptions like "redstone didn't have an order before".

  • @redrex6642
    @redrex6642 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +735

    12:07 so Grian is crying in the corner

    • @jo_de_pro1973
      @jo_de_pro1973 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I was about to say that

    • @AmenKing1999Gaming
      @AmenKing1999Gaming 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      There goes another season of the Life series.

    • @Boltclick
      @Boltclick 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      idk i feel like flying tnt minecarts (a.k.a missiles) might be worth the loss of slow moving nukes

    • @luckyowl314
      @luckyowl314 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

      Don't worry; since the minecart speed will be increased, you can make a tnt cannon with tnt minecarts. I'm sure Grian will have fun with that!

    • @avengednightmare
      @avengednightmare 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      ​@luckyowl314 right imagine opening a chest that has tnt minecarts launched at you from a distance now😅 I think it makes traps a lot easier now

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +170

    Mumbo is the most level-headed redstone TH-camr I've seen react to this snapshot.

  • @riggyz505
    @riggyz505 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +582

    I just want the minecarts to be more friendly as a transportation option. Furnace minecarts have had the "train" feature for years but it breaks when they go around a turn. You can breed a hourse that moves faster than minecarts. I really just want to make little minecart trains full of ores or materials run all over my base doind weird jumps!

    • @sillyking1991
      @sillyking1991 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Well, now it seems you can....assuming mojang fixes the issue with minecarts launching off the tracks...but also doesnt? Idk

    • @Denly1990
      @Denly1990 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      I don't get involved with the code so I can't say what should or shouldn't work or why, but it seems like it should be a function in-game to use a lead as a tether to combine multiple minecarts on a rail system as a single unit. It would theoretically keep lag down since tethered minecart lines would only count as one unit for calculations, and detatching could be decided as a minecart line restung on non-rails with 0 momentum to mimimize entity explosions.

    • @yolingc6589
      @yolingc6589 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

      ​@Denly1990 I would love to have minecarts connected by chains, it would give them an extra use beyond decoration or hanging signs

    • @AceOfBlackjack
      @AceOfBlackjack 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      On the minecraft console edition, 360 specifically, the trains were faster than the horses you could breed even using the splash potion of speed glitch.
      Also the elytras in that edition functioned like the do a barrel roll mod did.

    • @zack-pn6oe
      @zack-pn6oe 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@AceOfBlackjack Legacy edition is goated.

  • @anthonykatsiuk1139
    @anthonykatsiuk1139 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +402

    One thing i think is missing from the minecart changes is that acceleration from rolling downhill on rails still has a speed limit, it would be a lot of fun if a bigger hill would accelerate a minecart more so you could make more realistic rollercoasters

    • @ExzaktVid
      @ExzaktVid 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      If you use the rails that give a redstone signal you can activate a command block to increase the minecart speed and basically micro manage the minecart speed throught the whole coaster and make it more realistic.

    • @billgates7859
      @billgates7859 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Time to flex how smart I am😎!!
      Actually you want them to change the maximum (terminal) VELOCITY, not acceleration.

    • @elbbepp
      @elbbepp 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      @@billgates7859 They said speed limit. Same thing in different words. You could argue asking to "accelerate a minecart more" is ambiguous, but it can be reasonably interpreted in the context of the comment as a whole to mean to accelerate the minecart to a higher velocity (with more being supplementary phrasing for higher velocity).

    • @BananaWasTaken
      @BananaWasTaken 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@billgates7859Time to be even more pedantic 😎!!
      Actually you’re referring to maximum (terminal) SPEED not velocity, since velocity is a vector and has a direction, whereas speed is a scalar.
      If the maximum velocity was 10 m/s then when the minecart goes forward it’d move at 10 m/s but when going backwards there’s nothing to stop the minecart having a velocity of -1000 m/s. Whereas if the maximum speed was 10 m/s then when going forwards it’d have a velocity of 10 m/s and when going backwards it’d have a velocity of -10 m/s.

    • @BananaWasTaken
      @BananaWasTaken 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@elbbeppthe phrasing is ambiguous but I’d say ‘accelerate a minecart more’ sounds more like increasing the acceleration/max acceleration than increasing the max speed/velocity.
      Of course at the end of the day the semantics are unimportant since everyone gets what they mean

  • @hatsquid7253
    @hatsquid7253 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    In my head right now all i'm imagining is Grian doing a "saying farewell to minecart stacking" video, last hoorah trapping everyone he can, being sad that minecraft will never be the same again and then the video ends with the patch rolling over and the last scene of the video is Grian realising that minecarts can now jump and then thinking it's the greatest update ever, initially i was just thinking of rollercoasters with cool jumps, but i now realise you could now make "simple cannons" sending minecarts at speed off a ramp over walls

  • @creativityoverload2049
    @creativityoverload2049 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +514

    tnt cart + insane speed = new minecraft canon to wage wars on servers

    • @phantom9831
      @phantom9831 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

      Yes, but only if Mojang gives a way to accelerate minecart's speed without using command

    • @purple_dragon2
      @purple_dragon2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      ​@@phantom9831im sure they will. i think they just havr the command as a way for players to give proper feedback

    • @1Kapuchu100
      @1Kapuchu100 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      @@phantom9831 But if they do. Tnt minecraft railguns!

    • @phantom9831
      @phantom9831 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@1Kapuchu100 yeah (now that I think of it, will they implement something like the explosion dealing more damages with the minecart's momentum in the air? It would make the railgun even more impressive)

    • @LukiKruki
      @LukiKruki 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@phantom9831 heck yeah but of course charged creeper-like explosion would the max damage of such TNT minecart

  • @justmaybesmart
    @justmaybesmart 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +784

    3:34 the redstone changes make Minecraft now isotropic seemingly like our universe. We did it boys, we’re finally making a computer simulation to prove we live in one right now

    • @alexhelixpozzobon4919
      @alexhelixpozzobon4919 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      Don't forget also the homogeneous part you son of a Robertson-Walker metric

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      only for dust

    • @Tonyface666
      @Tonyface666 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

      The weak nuclear force acts differently on left handed vs right handed particles.
      The real test would be to flip your minecraft world along every axis, switch every block with its anti-block, and run time in the opposite direction, then see if everything still works the same.
      It's the only way to be sure.

    • @Mankepanke
      @Mankepanke 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Anti-matter does not move in the opposite time direction, that's just a symbol convention to show anti-matter in diagrams.
      It's like if we used ^ over the symbols instead, it doesn't mean that the anti-electron ê has a hat.

  • @CyborgGrizzly
    @CyborgGrizzly 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +685

    Thank you for being one of the few redstoners that actually explain to the audience that these changes aren't guaranteed. The community is toxic enough as it is, and other redstoners are basically handing out pitchforks and torches.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      we just really don't want another instance like what happened with copper bulbs, especially with a change like this which would break 99% of mildly complicated builds.

    • @MikeSchmidt969
      @MikeSchmidt969 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I honestly think the MC community is one of the least toxic of all the games. And if you devoted a ton of your time to creating new redstone contraptions only for the game itself to break them, especially since that's been a fairly regular reality, you'd be upset too.

    • @Redpopbits
      @Redpopbits 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@MikeSchmidt969well when they call their bugs features and our features bugs and us bugrock they deserve it tbh

    • @nbboxhead3866
      @nbboxhead3866 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      @@MikeSchmidt969 I don't agree about the Minecraft community being one of the least toxic of all games. I know there's plenty of MOBAs and MMOs and competitive shooters out there that people get very toxic in, but for the sandbox survival genre, Minecraft's community is incredibly toxic now. And for good reason: with Minecraft being the most successful game of all time, Mojang should give higher quality updates than they do and should listen more to fan feedback.
      I haven't got a single game in my Steam library or otherwise that has as toxic of a community when it comes to updates. Every other game I have has developers who actually give reasonable additions to what they've already made. Just not Minecraft.

    • @maniceliksni2705
      @maniceliksni2705 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@MikeSchmidt969cant say the same. i hate mentioning names but on the average minecraft channel, you're bound to see more hate on newer snapshots of the game. i just saw phoenixdive's vids and the amount of people who shit on the redstone update without even having the proper knowledge is just ridiculous. the hate bandwagon is real.

  • @android-4753
    @android-4753 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +126

    the minecart and randomness in the even redstone updates sold it to me. being able to make actual rollercoasters now and an easier way of making gambling games for SMP's, i mean sign me up.

    • @dhans9662
      @dhans9662 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      LETS GO GAMBLING 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

    • @android-4753
      @android-4753 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dhans9662 ah dang it

    • @dominicballinger6536
      @dominicballinger6536 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Eh, how would you detect that random chance with pistons though? I guess you could have droppers and a convoluted hopper system with signals based off of sorting one of two different items, but wouldnt there be a better and easier way than relying on this?

  • @canolathra6865
    @canolathra6865 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +298

    3:42 this change breaks any instant block swapper that happened to have the same power level in both pistons. Now we have to be really careful when designing 0-tick block swappers.

    • @AsgharH238
      @AsgharH238 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      I actually love this change because it's really easy for redstoners to avoid the randomness by extending one of the wires or placing the lever differently, it doesn't show up often at all. Besides, sometimes you *want* a random number generator.

    • @AsgharH238
      @AsgharH238 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      I understand why redstoners are upset with the randomness, because they've gotten used to a system without it, but they need to learn that it's easy to avoid. I feel like getting rid of locationality will make redstone less intimidating to beginners.

    • @futiaxiii793
      @futiaxiii793 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@AsgharH238 if you want random number you can use /execute store [..] run random roll 1..6

    • @futiaxiii793
      @futiaxiii793 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      ​@@AsgharH238 If you play survival there is the dropper with random numbers between 1 and 9

    • @futiaxiii793
      @futiaxiii793 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@AsgharH238 I understand your point of view but the 0 tick doors or 4 guys in addition I take the 0 tick doors, and we all know that even with that the Redstone will remain the dark part of Minecraft for 99% of players

  • @GertGrunberg
    @GertGrunberg 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1441

    cant wait til Mumbo makes a goofy contraption with the new minecarts

    • @IAmARefrigerator
      @IAmARefrigerator 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      I doubt he will because he would need to also use the new redstone which would make it a lot harder and he would have to relearn a lot of the stuff he knows

    • @TeraChad23
      @TeraChad23 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

      I saw something make a particle accelerator and launch a TNT minecart at the twin towers 💀

    • @jayjasespud
      @jayjasespud 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      @@IAmARefrigerator Either way he's going to have to learn / re-learn stuff so why would that matter?

    • @IAmARefrigerator
      @IAmARefrigerator 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      @@jayjasespud This is a snapshot, and an experimental feature, so there can still be a lot of revisions before this gets implemented in normal Minecraft, or they might just not release it entirely, so relearning everything now would be really stupid

    • @Faye5665
      @Faye5665 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Oh gosh i hate the word "minecart/s" because of one person that is so happy because of minecarts being fast

  • @Rubberduckboy123
    @Rubberduckboy123 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +650

    I feel like most people fail to realise that some circuits may be broken in this snapshot because only redstone dust has the new update order, not the other components such as repeaters or comparators. For me, I’ll wait for Minecraft to work on these changes more before I’ll make my final decision.

    • @NoovGuyMC
      @NoovGuyMC 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Redstone dust with new update orders, redstone dust not longer acting as Block update detectors, and no longer power piston that's underneath a transparent block
      Ps redstone dust update orders is actually fine on old version because ppl rarely use dust unless super necessary due to lag

    • @pocketsizedweeb
      @pocketsizedweeb 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      I actually like all the redstone changes so far and I hope they stay. Redstone needed to be more consistent and predictable, so this is a step in the right direction in my eyes. The transparent block complaint means nothing to me, just add a detector to the line in a place that won't activate other components.

    • @PJOZeus
      @PJOZeus 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      @@pocketsizedweeb "Redstone needs to be more consistent and predictable" - Meanwhile literally adding in rng and randomness

    • @AngriestSalt
      @AngriestSalt 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      ​@@PJOZeusIts way better than locationality but i think they could maybe just do an alternating pattern. Like the left piston activates but then the next time the right piston activates.

    • @soulswordobrigadosegostar
      @soulswordobrigadosegostar 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      they kinda need the feedback though
      like you gotta avoid this

  • @caseylynch8886
    @caseylynch8886 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    3:18 Minecraft adds quantum mechanics to red stone

    • @MarcTelang
      @MarcTelang 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      did someone make the schrodinger cat experiment in minecraft, make a box with a cat, connect it to a dispenser that could dispense a splash potion of poison, and just stand back

    • @BLET_55artem55
      @BLET_55artem55 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@MarcTelangpoison wouldn't kill the cat though

  • @yaemma8803
    @yaemma8803 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +211

    Finally someone who is level headed about this. I feel like everyone making videos like "Mojang RUINED redstone" somehow missed the part where they had to install an unfinished test build of the game and then navigate to the experimental tab, see the warning that says "all of this is subject to change and probably unfinished" and click yes without reading it

    • @hydrogen-8
      @hydrogen-8 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      they definitely didn't miss anything, they just know that telling their viewers means that they'll get less outrage engagement in the likes and comments

    • @christianseibold3369
      @christianseibold3369 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@hydrogen-8 What? No, they're trying to *get* outrage in the comments because more comments means your video is moved higher in TH-cam's recommendations system.

    • @bable6314
      @bable6314 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@christianseibold3369 That's literally what he was talking about.

    • @hydrogen-8
      @hydrogen-8 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@bable6314 *she, but yeah thats what i meant. maybe i didn't word it well though ^^'

    • @Nihilore
      @Nihilore 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I mean, Purplers video which was titled that was still an incredibly level headed response, he’s just playing the TH-cam game, as expected

  • @GSBarlev
    @GSBarlev 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +335

    I'm glad Mumbo is adding his voice to this discussion. Someone on CraftyMasterman's vid¹ suggested that you go through your "100 doors" video and show which ones break under these changes.
    ¹which you should all watch, along with InspectorTalon's review of the minecart changes and their implications for cart tech.

    • @ThatMumboJumbo
      @ThatMumboJumbo  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +419

      Those doors are all 10+ years old, they've been broken for years!

    • @n45a_
      @n45a_ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      i think many of them could be broken due to 1.16 changes to dust too.

    • @ZukeIGuess
      @ZukeIGuess 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      My dude added an in-text citation to a TH-cam comment 😂

    • @alyx6427
      @alyx6427 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      i would absolutely love for him to redo that video but with more modern designs plus honey/slime block ones

    • @gaminglaser77
      @gaminglaser77 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@ThatMumboJumboYou should make an updated version with slime block/honey block tech + more modernized designs

  • @Nitrinoxus
    @Nitrinoxus 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +238

    One thing I like doing whenever Mojang releases a snapshot is to try building something I've built before that makes use of the new changes, just to see how it feels with the new additions. Maybe a follow-up video could focus on trying to build some of the common Redstone contraptions that are affected by the changes, and to try and figure out ways to keep them working?

  • @jacobsumner670
    @jacobsumner670 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    This has revolutionized TNT cannons! Put a TNT minecart on those rails, and KA-BOOM!!!

  • @Daedalus-Inc
    @Daedalus-Inc 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +188

    Quasi connectivity is in a relatively weird state. It is essential to current redstone as we know it, but it is a huge hurdle for new redstoners. I remember around when I was first messing around with redstone and getting incredibly frustrated when a piston I was using was being powered by seemingly *nothing*.

    • @Xacris
      @Xacris 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      I've been doing redstone for years now and I still regularly have to redesign something that worked in my head, but doesn't work when I build it because I forgot about QC

    • @pout6038
      @pout6038 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      i think QC is one of those things that can't be removed from Java because it'd break stuff, and can't be added to bedrock in it's current Java state because it'd also break stuff, and it's very unintuitive, so it really needs a rework.
      They need to turn it into a proper feature (like, a special item that enables it for blocks or something), then have it enabled for existing things on java but disabled for when you place new ones.

    • @thepizzaman6310
      @thepizzaman6310 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      QC should be a gamerule, off by default. Let newer players have their more intuitive redstone, while the redstone community doesn't have all their machines broken.

    • @overpower3382
      @overpower3382 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      You have to remember though, this doesn't remove QC, it just makes it a lot less usable.

    • @andrewg8303
      @andrewg8303 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I think QC has become a staple of java redstone, and greatly expands the potential of what we can build. Sure, it isn't intuitive at first. But something that helped me understand it better is thinking of how redstone worked when first introduced, when it was mainly designed to work with iron doors. It needed to power both the top and bottom blocks of the iron door, so it would power both, and it worked fine because the top block would update the bottom one after being updated by the redstone. If you think of redstone components sorta like iron doors, it can help you to understand why and how QC works.

  • @homegrowngamer3411
    @homegrowngamer3411 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +233

    3:46 as someone who used redstone when I played ALOT . I gotta say, randomness in these edge cases sounds pretty cool actually. It would take a lot of work to make a edge case like this happen, so especially if your not trying to make this happen, it's not gonna, and if it does, it's fixable pretty easily. But now this allows for basically rng controlled redstone, which could be used for something like arenas, where you wanna spawn mobs at random. Hook it up to a timer, and let it go!

    • @blockalism
      @blockalism 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      The question is whether it's truly (pseudo)random or whether it's a race condition where the computer is running two processes and acting on whichever one finishes first. In the latter case, one outcome might be more likely than the other, and _which_ outcome is more likely can vary based on things like a particular computer's hardware or on what other programs are running at the time. An actual redstone RNG would be amazing, but it _looks_ like a classic race condition at the moment: if you were going to try to demonstrate what a race condition is using redstone, 3:04 is pretty much exactly what you'd build.

    • @christianseibold3369
      @christianseibold3369 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@blockalism I think the Minecraft devs intend for it to be truly pseudo-random because it's a specific case they would have designed in the block order stuff, but honestly I don't know, lol. How can you tell it's a race condition? It looks pseudo-random to me.

    • @ULTRA_4
      @ULTRA_4 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      We already had random systems with the dropper and dispenser

    • @blockalism
      @blockalism 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@christianseibold3369 I don't think we have enough information to know. When there are two redstone components the same distance away, how does it pick who goes first? Did they intentionally tell an RNG to decide who gets the higher priority, or does it give them both the same priority and let the computer figure it out? In the vast majority of cases, it doesn't actually matter which powers first - if the pistons at 3:04 were pointing away from each other instead of towards each other, who cares which one begins extending a few microseconds earlier? It's only in very specific edge cases where it matters, so I don't share your confidence that they definitely thought about it and made a conscious choice to use an RNG to decide.

    • @joshua.h
      @joshua.h 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@blockalism Mojang has said on the update log that they intend for it to be proper rng, but I'm not sure how they are implementing it.

  • @Flame07518
    @Flame07518 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +596

    Remember: don’t reply to the bots calling them out, because that will only push their comment higher; just go to the channel and report them. Reporting comments only temporarily removes their ability to comment.

    • @erikblom3147
      @erikblom3147 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      Watch out guys!! He's a bot!!!☝️

    • @Rpzz0
      @Rpzz0 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@erikblom3147 no?

    • @Cowboy7812-rt4in
      @Cowboy7812-rt4in 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      @@Rpzz0 joke

    • @pixelatedperplexities8104
      @pixelatedperplexities8104 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Gaelic-Spiritwhat now?

    • @Barneito_123
      @Barneito_123 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​You're copying what people say to gain likes because they are doing good, whilst you aren't a bot, you might as well be one.​@Rpzz0

  • @spirit5923
    @spirit5923 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Maybe it's the fact that you worked with far more advanced circuits than I did, but I found some of the redstone mechanics you mentioned as feeling janky and unintentional, as well as difficult for me to wrap my head around. Personally, I'm glad for all these changes. But that's also my humble opinion. And I was nervous to see what changes they were making, so that's a relief lol
    I'd say it looks like they have some good intentions going forward, so I'm excited to see how the redstone updates go either direction.

  • @qO.0p
    @qO.0p 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    Unintentional villager moment 8:36

    • @Sorrythishandlehasbeenremoved
      @Sorrythishandlehasbeenremoved 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Hmm very interesting

    • @Leuhim
      @Leuhim 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Hmm peculiar

    • @The_Luna_kitty
      @The_Luna_kitty 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Naah the villager are more like ħœ

    • @Leuhim
      @Leuhim 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @The_Luna_kitty ħœ̃, you've seen etymoly nerd's spelling the sound of a villager. To be honest, I forgot about it.
      (・ε・ )

    • @The_Luna_kitty
      @The_Luna_kitty 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Leuhim yeah I just couldn’t find the œ with the ~ on top

  • @SunstriderGames-cx7vr
    @SunstriderGames-cx7vr 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    10:11 Idk if i'm proud of Mumbo's Particle Accelerator or if he's just shown a way to get someone sick in 100 seconds.

  • @Omni_456
    @Omni_456 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +210

    THANK YOU, I've seen so much titles like "Mojan is ruining redstone" where people can go on saying that mojan is hurting the game and people can be rude and not even recognise the good in these experiments, it's refreshing and reasuring to see some constructive feed back ! Love the video, and the minecart update is verry cool, I hope they continue working in this direction for better roaller coasters!

    • @515Matteo
      @515Matteo 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Mojang doesn't have a good track record of listening to the redstone community

    • @jenv.7995
      @jenv.7995 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I expected more from carfty and purplers… what a disappointment

    • @whatdayit
      @whatdayit 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      honestly the minecart changes arent as important as the redstone changes. If this does get implemented it would mean the death of so many cool and useful redstone builds. Yes the changes may reduce lag but modders have figured out how to do that without killing the usefulness of redstone. People who don’t like the change should be incredibly vocal because thats how we let devs know what we want. Same with if you like the changes. The fact this is even being considered is sad because it feels as if mojang is out of touch with a massive part of the community. While it may be an experiment we should criticize it because they made this specifically for vocal and loud feedback.

    • @hiimapop7755
      @hiimapop7755 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      When your entire channel is about complex technical redstone, you'll be pissed if such a major change even has a slight chance of happening. Dont treat this as some minor change that redstoners can just brush off. If this gets the greenlight, it's gonna break almost ALL of the technical achievements redstoners have created. Is that not alarming for you in the slightest? We need to make it clear that we don't want some of these changes, even if it's a bit aggressive, because tens of thousands of redstoners have dedicated thousands of hours improving their skills in this side of Minecraft. @@jenv.7995

  • @Spoon80085
    @Spoon80085 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I like how they optimized redstone dust in a way that it'll only be noticed by redstoners, who universally are asking them not to do this

  • @ZeL-iq5sf
    @ZeL-iq5sf 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1320

    I just watched craftymasterman (aka the other man who makes stupid names like crafty crafter counter) talking about how mojang pissed off the redstoners and then immediately saw this.

    • @Hemusta-Official
      @Hemusta-Official 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      I dont think the translation is english.

    • @renderproductions1032
      @renderproductions1032 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

      Yeah. I don’t see why they have to change things that were working perfectly for a long time. Mojang seems to be actively ruining high-end redstone.

    • @lerquian1970
      @lerquian1970 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +258

      @@renderproductions1032 it's not that it worked, it's just that people adjusted and exploited all its quirkiness. This means that any change will break a considerable number of contraptions.

    • @foolishball9155
      @foolishball9155 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +181

      ​@@renderproductions1032what do you mean working? Many technical builds avoided using redstone as much as possible because they had weird unpredictable block update order. I think the redstone community will adapt and come up with cleaner redstone contraptions after this update.

    • @DingLiren-nw2vj
      @DingLiren-nw2vj 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +175

      ​@@renderproductions1032 every single time redstone has been updated since it was added people say the same thing and every single time they adjust and learn to make better things.

  • @DarkQueen619
    @DarkQueen619 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +301

    As someone who is just starting to grasp how Redstone works including how it interacts with glass. I find this update both extremely intimidating and exciting. Lots of relearning and probably some unlearning too!

    • @MollyJane_
      @MollyJane_ 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      love your positivity!!

    • @MollyJane_
      @MollyJane_ 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      love your positivity!!

    • @wcalenielucekxd3337
      @wcalenielucekxd3337 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      but like..... 9 years of design lost

    • @kentwithaperiod
      @kentwithaperiod 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@wcalenielucekxd3337almosg every update breaks some form of redstone

    • @hellhound4440
      @hellhound4440 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@kentwithaperiod but not quasi-connectivity... Half the reason redstoners don't touch bedrock edition is because they don't have quasi-connectivity.

  • @dillonvandergriff4124
    @dillonvandergriff4124 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +387

    Bedrock player here! We over on bedrock *really* like the redstone changes, because our redstone update order is completely, 100% random! This could finally give us a logical update order!

    • @FailRaceFan
      @FailRaceFan 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      Haha same here. I always try the contraptions multiple times to make sure it works

    • @VeryPeeved
      @VeryPeeved 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You're a bedrock player, you don't deserve nice things.

    • @KarmaticSigmaSansBeforeGta6
      @KarmaticSigmaSansBeforeGta6 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same here

    • @RaidFiftyOne
      @RaidFiftyOne 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      ya as a fellow Bedrock player, this update is an absolute win. I've always wanted that little change to minecarts and consistency is almost always good. While we also arn't effected by the major drawbacks of harder quasyconnectivity as we never had it or no stacking tnt minecarts as we also never had that!!!

    • @abduking.
      @abduking. 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      so you want to nerf java so it can go to the level of bedrock.

  • @chroma1004
    @chroma1004 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    New redstone update:
    Redstone CPU builders: Ok time to revise our CPU again.

  • @Chacem700
    @Chacem700 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +179

    it says 25w33a in the description.. time flies
    it's been updated now!

    • @tasmanwinchcombe9774
      @tasmanwinchcombe9774 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      thanks, I think I just realized what the 'w' in the snapshot names mean.
      24w33a means '2024 week 33 snapshot a'

    • @06NinjaKid06
      @06NinjaKid06 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@tasmanwinchcombe9774 yes

    • @fgvcosmic6752
      @fgvcosmic6752 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      ​@@tasmanwinchcombe9774 Correct! If 2 snapshots come out in the same week, you get a "b" snapshot and so on!
      Its actually how I keep track of time 😅
      I use the current snapshot instead of counting weeks manually

    • @IceYetiWins
      @IceYetiWins 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@fgvcosmic6752"Whats the date"
      "24w34 day 2"

  • @Piece4
    @Piece4 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +151

    6:58 This moment gave of "He is broken but he is OUR broken" vibes

  • @_jpg
    @_jpg 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +78

    10:26 Next week: "I made the CERN in Minecraft"

    • @optimistmatt
      @optimistmatt 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lolll

    • @FinleyHoneywill
      @FinleyHoneywill 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That has TNT cannon potential.

    • @andrewsearns5634
      @andrewsearns5634 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      This is totally a sleeper suggestion. Would actually love to see TNT minecarts be fired 100 bps across the map!

    • @OddlyDelta
      @OddlyDelta 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Minecart Railgun

    • @dracoartiumstudio7467
      @dracoartiumstudio7467 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@FinleyHoneywillI was thinking this could be used for mobile artillary.

  • @RBRT02
    @RBRT02 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Now we need a redstone door with different opening sequences based on what lever you pull

  • @RubberCrowy
    @RubberCrowy 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +121

    I like how Mumbo starts by saying to not get too upset by the negative changes, pointing out how it's a snapshot and in experimental settings. It's nice at least hearing a bit more about the positive aspects of the snapshot, compared to all the videos more along the lines of "Mojang can only do wrong". I mean, I want to see someone make use of the minecart changes! That sounds fun! As opposed to all the videos focusing on undeniable issues with the redstone changes.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      we just don't want another copper bulb situation

    • @MikeSchmidt969
      @MikeSchmidt969 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You can't just "fix" unintended changes when you change the base coding of redstone. It's a cascade effect. And the unintended changes will take time to even discover in the first place.

    • @elderfrost9892
      @elderfrost9892 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I think people are definitely freaking out super early on this one, mumbo's right, it's a snapshot AND experimental, they want feedback. that said, the block update changes seem to be pretty intentional and separate from the update order changes. That's not necessarily a terrible thing, they're trying some lag reduction strategies, but removing those updates was more than likely a deliberate choice. Hopefully they hear the resounding "no" to changing those from the community.

    • @a_british_lass_stream_archives
      @a_british_lass_stream_archives 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      onestly though, getting mad at this is 8is8 the right thing to do (though don't go around insulting people and send threats) however if people who really don't like the change just led down and took it , guess what'll happen
      thats right mojang will thing we like the change
      if someone decided to make any of my games worse i'd get mad and hopefully the devs aren't thick enough to ignore it and accept that they made a mistake

    • @ondururagittandeska2004
      @ondururagittandeska2004 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      BREAKING NEWS: Redstoners complaining about updates they don't like

  • @oneamongstthecrowd
    @oneamongstthecrowd 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

    Between purpler’s and crafty’s videos, there’s definitely a negative sentiment with respect to a lot of these experimental changes. Good to see a more positive exploration from Mumbo too!
    The no block update change is definitely a concern, glad to see Mumbo voice his concerns on it too!

    • @majesticeagle5461
      @majesticeagle5461 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I don’t get it though, they’re literally just fixing bugs, it’s their fault for relying on them.

    • @ekagrasaxena1053
      @ekagrasaxena1053 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @@majesticeagle5461 Bugs become features if they are left for years

    • @DarkShard5728
      @DarkShard5728 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      ​@@majesticeagle5461because the bugs were useful/unavoidable. i dont even use redstone, im terrible at it, and i still know this is a bad way of thinking

    • @majesticeagle5461
      @majesticeagle5461 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@DarkShard5728 But they were still bugs, not features, they were never set in stone as features, it’s their own fault for relying on them. It isn’t a bad way of thinking, the only bad way of thinking is to think that because something that’s broken is useful, that the broken thing shouldn’t be fixed, despite not being intended, or ever acknowledged as a feature.

    • @chezzy1908
      @chezzy1908 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@majesticeagle5461 QC has actually been labeled as a feature by mojang in the past though

  • @nateghast6456
    @nateghast6456 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    This may have taught me more about niche redstone than videos I've actively sought info from.

  • @davidvance623
    @davidvance623 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Being able to make instant tubes out of dispensers would have so much potential

  • @zenferns
    @zenferns 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Coming from a long time redstoner i think the only change that's absolutely negative is the block updating removal. everything else is inconvenient but it makes up for it with new functionality

    • @_BangDroid_
      @_BangDroid_ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What about minecart changes, I haven't tested, but I think it'll break lava cauldron based minecart unloaders

    • @digitaldritten
      @digitaldritten 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i will be upset if i can't get a mob out of a pile of mobs in a 1x1 area by putting a minecart against the outside corner. also, if it requires collision to get a mob in a minecart now, how will we get shulkers into minecarts for shulker farms?

    • @zenferns
      @zenferns 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@_BangDroid_ it does unfortunately

  • @andreaswelsh7365
    @andreaswelsh7365 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +73

    2:18 OMG THIS COULD BE SO USEFUL

    • @riverfall5328
      @riverfall5328 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      AGREED aaaaaaaa!!!

    • @greenbirdgaming8691
      @greenbirdgaming8691 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Want to know the weirdest thing? We already have this in bedrock, in the most annoying way possible. If you power 2 droppers, one facing the other, the one with the item will trigger first. This means that if you make an rsnor latch in bedrock... you're just making a simi-compact t-flip-flop that needs 2 inputs to function. This fact screwed over one of my minigames.

    • @oversecus833
      @oversecus833 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bedrock is 💩

    • @kivalS728
      @kivalS728 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Is*

    • @oversecus833
      @oversecus833 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kivalS728 What?

  • @EthelJung-j5w
    @EthelJung-j5w 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +251

    Honestly this makes redstone make so much sense. Block updates seemed so weird to me when I was trying to learn on my own

    • @ondururagittandeska2004
      @ondururagittandeska2004 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Skill issue.

    • @user-kk8ut6cc3s
      @user-kk8ut6cc3s 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

      @@ondururagittandeska2004 There is literally no reason to be rude

    • @JaydeeWetwork
      @JaydeeWetwork 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      @@ondururagittandeska2004 bully issue

    • @novachromatic
      @novachromatic 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      ​@@user-kk8ut6cc3s I don't agree with @ondurura's comment, but it must be pointed out that the @EthelJung-j5w is a bot and the original comment is a bot comment.
      Please report it.

    • @user-kk8ut6cc3s
      @user-kk8ut6cc3s 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@novachromatic How do you know it's a bot?

  • @beurreamoustache3333
    @beurreamoustache3333 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    You see it wrong Mumbo. The minecart change is the return of tnt canons

  • @moontravellerjul
    @moontravellerjul 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +89

    thankyou so much for making a clear point about how these changes are in an experiment toggle in a snapshot. some videos (like craftymasterman's, tbh) seemed to completely ignore that in bad faith and misrepresent the nature of the "changes". not everything showcased in this experiment is perfect, but there is clearly some value here in the direction mojang is trying to move, and we should be assessing it in a more thoughtful and measured way, and providing constructive feedback on why certain consequences aren't desirable.

    • @noxmore
      @noxmore 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      YES! I was so happy when he started out with that, i was worried based on the title that he was gonna go the same route as those other videos

  • @GilWanderley
    @GilWanderley 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    1:45 Oh wow. Now I see the great potential on this change.

    • @Wakalaka
      @Wakalaka 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hopefully they don’t involve sheep

  • @thomasdewierdo9325
    @thomasdewierdo9325 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    originally i didnt like how they were changing a function of redstone that took me ages to learn because of how complicated it is and also how it will break so many contraptions, but then i looked in further and realized that this is how i originally THOUGHT redstone worked, like before I started using it - this just makes so much more sense, and we'll get over losing all those redstone contraptions. good thing about losing these contraptions is now redstoners have a lot more ideas they could be doing now, for the people who were struggling to get new redstone ideas. they can just fix some broken contraptions that were commonly used before the update. and I agree, these minecart changes are amazing. Now all I want is the ability to make sideways/upside down rails, meaning we can make loop de loops and the minecart can go upside down. They should probably also make new types of rails too, like maybe a chained rail, which moves you at one, consistent speed, just like the tracks on a real roller coaster that slowly bring you up a hill.

    • @poodle395
      @poodle395 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This! I feel like a lot of this stuff is more intuitive. The redstone they have right now is great, but it also takes a while to learn all the quirks ( Although I'm sure this community will figure out every single quirk with these updates possible very quickly lol)

  • @Sticymcnicy
    @Sticymcnicy 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    The update orders randomness means you can now make a gambling game
    LETS GO

    • @nether_bat
      @nether_bat 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      LETS GO GAMBLING
      AW DANG IT
      Sorry

    • @noahblack914
      @noahblack914 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      More, you can make _different_ gambling games. Redstone already had access to randomness via dispensers/droppers randomly deciding which slot to spit out.

  • @humourlessjester3584
    @humourlessjester3584 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +92

    I always thought that zero ticking and quasi connectivity should get the observer treatment: emergent gameplay mechanics that get officially coded in as an actual feature. This is because even if these are buggy behavior that a lot of redstone relies on they're also, at the end of the day, bugs. Which means they will cause unpredictable problems in the long run to some other features mojang might want to add.

    • @skorp5677
      @skorp5677 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      This. I assume, most people are put off by redstone, because it is unintuitive and has those things that just happen without any explaination.
      I wpuld like to add the possibility to reroute redstone dust (like with a debug stick) to connect to different blocks to the list of features that should get the observer treatment. Maybe with a three way repeater equivalent, placing mustiple dust blocks in a block (lile candles) or similar. This would also resolve the block updated to the side problem.

    • @ThatMumboJumbo
      @ThatMumboJumbo  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +112

      Quasi is no longer considered a bug. You'd also be surprised by how much even the simplest redstone contraptions rely on it. It's mildly unintuitive, but reliable and incredibly useful. It's arguably THE main reason why the majority of interesting redstone gets built on Java instead of Bedrock.

    • @petrkdn8224
      @petrkdn8224 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Honestly, my way of fixing this: Fix QC and remove it from the game(because it is unintuitive to regular players), and introduce a redstone component which mimics QC in a sensible way that makes sense and is intuitive.

    • @cullenlatham2366
      @cullenlatham2366 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      @@ThatMumboJumbo if it is no longer considered a bug, where is the bedrock parity, then? I know, it is pedantic and more a source of the different code language base, but the point stands. Bedrock tends to be overlooked, and has a bit of a "too rigid to 'how minecraft is supposed to be'" rhetoric that creates the illusion that quasi is a bug. If it is the defining reason redstone is the easiest defining feature between the 2 versions, it means there are clashing ideals over what is considered "proper minecraft", which becomes ever more obvious when the very small subset of bedrock players that actually pay close attention to the updates often complain about the few cool and unique things for bedrock exclusively get patched out in the name of pairity; there is a bit of hypocrisy there. If Java is the game in its ideal form, why doesnt bedrock redstone work the same way in all its creatively janky freedom? If almost all updates for bedrock remove bedrock exclusive bugs and features in the name of pairity (ones that do not impact the general casual experience), why does java get bugs that become features without being addressed? Redstone is just the flagship to show that disparity. Rhetorical, and i know the issue is a lot more complex than these oversimplified complaints, but mojang also tries to HIDE the difference between java and bedrock and sell them both as the same game- which means it isnt surprising that bedrock has more active users thanks to it being the only cross-platform version.

    • @LukiKruki
      @LukiKruki 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@petrkdn8224 Ask yourself in what way so it sounds reasonable first.
      0-tick is easy, just special piston doing only 0-tick, I would make honey piston like sticky piston is crafted

  • @Gav_yo
    @Gav_yo 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +97

    You are THE person to give commentary on this redstone update

    • @mr_pigman1013
      @mr_pigman1013 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Idk a lot of this is far more technical which isn’t always Mumbo’s forte

    • @punpundit5590
      @punpundit5590 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mr_pigman1013 Yeah, he missed that piston bolts break with the new minecraft alignment code, for example.

  • @_cele5tial
    @_cele5tial 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    0:17 thanks for mentioning that the changes are experimental BEFORE explaining what they did

  • @crossboy
    @crossboy 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    these changes look pretty interesting from a high level! i think a lot of the buggy interactions can be fixed, maybe some randomness made consistent, but i think the overall goal of them seems fairly positive in the sense they're at least thinking about this type of stuff and making it more accessible with fewer "hidden rules" that you have to know to get redstone
    (my very removed opinion just on the surface level)

  • @hyrumthomas427
    @hyrumthomas427 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +142

    Mumbo working with command blocks is a potentially fun change! 1:03

  • @Chigger
    @Chigger 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

    10:11 "You spin me right round, baby, right round..."

    • @Qualman701
      @Qualman701 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Like a record, baby, right round, baby, right round...

    • @Math_with_J
      @Math_with_J 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      whats after idk

  • @ampjam
    @ampjam 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I think what would be neat would be for you to include some examples of what redstone dust updating is used for in contraptions, because it’s difficult to see what the true downsides of losing it would be for someone not as versed in it.

  • @aruuuuun
    @aruuuuun 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The life series is in SHAMBLES after these mine cart updates

  • @GoodTimesWithB
    @GoodTimesWithB 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

    0:17 Just want to thank Mumbo for preventing hate on Mojang by his viewers 👍

  • @cwispygiraffe
    @cwispygiraffe 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    I'm very glad that Mumbo is using his platform to broadcast all this honest feedback, I feel like mojang will likely make a lot of the changes that you and others have been suggesting

  • @WrecklessRalph
    @WrecklessRalph 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

    Back to back redstone videos, must be a Sunday

  • @gamerling2547
    @gamerling2547 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I could see some potential workarounds for some of these changes, like maybe water-logging rails or blocks to prevent tnt minecart explosions or (like you mentioned) using copper bulbs and other transparent blocks between pistons instead of glass. But, like you said, some people are going to be upset with these changes, regardless of what workarounds the community can find

  • @hyun-shik7327
    @hyun-shik7327 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I bet Etho has already used these mechanics to build a portable baseball stadium or something.

  • @Supreme_Dalek_
    @Supreme_Dalek_ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    From playing around with it myself and watching some videos to see other peoples opinions, the changes are mostly good (in the sense that it's moving in the right direction) but it still needs work. Mojang knows that both redstone and minecarts needs more work before the changes are fully implemented, that's why they are in toggleable experiments in a snapshot.

    • @Mr.Beandip-ve9iz
      @Mr.Beandip-ve9iz 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm sensing a pattern within thing the community gets mad about...

  • @aiqalromzi
    @aiqalromzi 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +169

    you're redstone youtuber ???? I thought you're a builder

    • @legend-pl7ys
      @legend-pl7ys 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He has been getting into building recently but if you look at his older vids he totally is😂

    • @parthibhayat
      @parthibhayat 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Can't tell if your joking or not

    • @DoctorGroover
      @DoctorGroover 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Mumbo boutta be fuming 😭😭

    • @yuyoshida7359
      @yuyoshida7359 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @DoctorGroover Nah he’s chuffed to bits

    • @The_real_Austrian_painter
      @The_real_Austrian_painter 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Mumbo is only known for redstone💀

  • @urtoryu_dy_althraidn
    @urtoryu_dy_althraidn 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really love the update order change. For one because it makes redstone systems FAR more intuitive and easy to grasp, but it also looks like it will create plenty of cool new options to play around with. Also, I naturally just really like how logical it is, since logic is a huge point of a mechanic like Redstone.

  • @chress98
    @chress98 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    9:42 TNT minecart artillery

    • @masonfarleyproductions
      @masonfarleyproductions 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes

    • @patfre
      @patfre 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It doesn’t actually work because the minecarts only speed up properly when they have a mob or a player in it meaning the TNT minecarts go quite slow meaning they will just blow up the track instead

    • @chress98
      @chress98 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@patfre aw maaaan :(

    • @joelnsalah
      @joelnsalah 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@chress98 It is still experimental. There can still be some changes nonetheless. The idea can still work.

  • @dr.developer370
    @dr.developer370 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +96

    the entire redstone community has been waiting for this video.

    • @_BangDroid_
      @_BangDroid_ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bedrock-ify Java edition?

  • @Mattress-Firm
    @Mattress-Firm 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    I feel like a very simple solution to the no block update issue is to just make redstone lines work like sea pickles; You can add more redstone to a single spot by clicking a second time. The redstone would look thicker and act like old redstone. You could also do the same with the minecart recipe, just have heavy minecarts that act as the old ones did and light minecarts for the new changes. Not sure how the recipes will be different but it's a simple solution to benefit both parties.

    • @ZefulStarson
      @ZefulStarson 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Alternatively, copper+redstone to make a wire that behaves the same way.

    • @davesunhammer4218
      @davesunhammer4218 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      recipe: 2-step (consistent with some existing recipies):
      Create minecart (heavy) then put minecart in crafting with feather (light)
      ---
      Not sure if I agree with your solution but the recipe part is easy enough.

    • @CivilMold
      @CivilMold 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@ZefulStarsonI like the copper+redstone idea because I doubt that I'm the only person that was disappointed that copper didn't interact with redstone (at release) other than lightning rods, plus it gives copper another use outside of just building and could have some interesting mechanics like being placed vertically/directly wiring different blocks together separate from a nearby redstone line

    • @liquidmagma0
      @liquidmagma0 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@CivilMold copper could also be immune to water

    • @dranorter
      @dranorter 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      From the perspective of an IRL developer -- maintaining both the old and new functionalities is never what a dev team wants, it instantly doubles the length of the spec, the number of bugs that might be introduced in a new update, and the difficulty of hunting the bugs down.

  • @gordon5064
    @gordon5064 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    0:25 Mumbo produces a video that impressively demonstrates just how much he knows about redstone but can't count to 4 properly 😂 (probably comment bait but I find it funny either way)

  • @wombatjedi101
    @wombatjedi101 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

    I can understand the logic behind removing updates from dust. Like, it’s misguided, but I see where they were coming from. But removing minecart stacking?? Just… why!?

    • @zac8246
      @zac8246 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      If I had to guess, they made that change so that minecarts were a little more intuitive for less technically minded players. Being able to squish loads of them into a one-block space, but also having them bump into and push eachother when on tracks doesn't really make sense, yk? Personally i think the usefulness of being able to stack them outweighs the physics-defying, but I can see where they were coming from.

    • @davesunhammer4218
      @davesunhammer4218 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Stacking is definitely a lag issue multi-player if done often. Single player not really an issue.

    • @ijneb1248
      @ijneb1248 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bedrock parity

    • @blakebennett3987
      @blakebennett3987 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lag mostly I think

    • @blakebennett3987
      @blakebennett3987 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lag mostly I think

  • @justyce_yt
    @justyce_yt 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The simpler instant dropper lines are AWESOME! I didn't even know you could do that!
    It would be awesome for item transportation in shulkers

  • @hermi1-kenobi455
    @hermi1-kenobi455 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    6:39 te block he's holding has a face with a moustache on it

  • @kaisermaximal8123
    @kaisermaximal8123 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Me who doesn't do redstone: "I like your funny words magic man"

  • @Tuclix
    @Tuclix 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Update order based on signal strength is an amazing addition that will make so many things more compact and reliable and as someone who makes a lot of games in minecraft, I love to see the random behavior, because it will make small 2-4 way randomizers very simple, compact and fast. The minecarts are overall a very positive change (apart from stacking, but the positive features by far outweigh the negative ones). As someone who doesn't work with zero ticking, I don't really have an opinion on that topic. The removal of block update from redstone dust is a bit annoying, but I'll learn to live with it if it becomes a feature.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's not based on signal strength, it's based on distance from where the wire started changing. And I don't like the random behavior. We already have simple randomizers. It does more harm than good. It'll cause similar problems to the ones caused by directionality and locationality.

    • @jenv.7995
      @jenv.7995 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ⁠@@vibaj16the distance and signal strength are effectively the same…
      And if the new randomness causes issues with a build, it’s because it already is forcing a race condition, that should be avoided anyways

    • @JaydeeWetwork
      @JaydeeWetwork 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@vibaj16 wE aLrEaDy hAvE

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JaydeeWetwork what

    • @JaydeeWetwork
      @JaydeeWetwork 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@vibaj16 😎

  • @strifetxt4315
    @strifetxt4315 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    10:57 I experimented with this, and it seems like placing the TNT minecarts on a rail directly above where you want them to stack, and then breaking the block so that they fall down into place, still allows them to stack neatly without blowing anything up in the process! It's just the collision with the block in front that causes them to explode. This does mean that if you want to stack a bunch of them, you'll need to keep breaking and replacing the same block and rail multiple times, but it still works!

    • @KittyKatalina
      @KittyKatalina 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The "loading" block and rail can be moved back and forth with sticky pistons to avoid having to break and re-place them between cart loads!

  • @KirklandLea
    @KirklandLea 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    @thatmumbojumbo I had your video on while I was checking on some things in my office. When I walk back out, my daughter(9), from across the house, yells for me to come check out what she built on her iPad. She had built a roller coaster on top of her house for her and her sister(4). Had to explain powered rails but she had it in no time! They are having the time of their lives! The forward facing aspect of the minecart changes would be huge for that demo for sure.

  • @vhals2052
    @vhals2052 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Honestly this feels kinda huge.
    Very intriguing

  • @Sp_Bubbles
    @Sp_Bubbles 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +85

    Mumbo Yumbo minecarts go YEEEEOWWN

    • @AriinPHD
      @AriinPHD 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yumbo

  • @trtl1083
    @trtl1083 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    11:17 WHAT, OMG THAT IS FRYING MY BRAIN RN I HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOM TO STUPID MINECART HITBOXES!

  • @realtimberstalker
    @realtimberstalker 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    The bug with the lever is explainable. We saw earlier that redstone powers the block next to it before the block in front of it when you were testing the command blocks. So what i think is happening is that it powers the redstone line to the side of it first, and then powers the redstone line on front of it second. If you were to place the lever facing the longer redstone line, it might work correctly.

  • @TAGfrost
    @TAGfrost 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Being able to set off a swing launch accelerator with minecarts will revolutionize fast travel before the elytra.
    Imagine people lining up on minecarts to get launched under the blocks flying through the air instead of digging nether warp tunnels

  • @kingofallhallowseve
    @kingofallhallowseve 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    As someone who doesn’t understand redstone in the slightest, or use it period, yay minecart updates! We needed an update for awhile now

  • @flutterin4595
    @flutterin4595 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Imo, it's very nice that minecraft makes more sense with redstone with those fixes, gives opportunity for new players to hop on (without them reviewing a lot of the unfixed bug reports, and learning from that).
    Old bugs should be fixed - but no worries new bugs would come so there is always a way to exploit a game

  • @Foxeagle-nb8jw
    @Foxeagle-nb8jw 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Mojang: You can't stack minecarts
    Grain probably: *Angry bird noises*

    • @MaxwellCatAlphonk
      @MaxwellCatAlphonk 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They should add /gamerule

    • @MaxwellCatAlphonk
      @MaxwellCatAlphonk 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      For that

    • @MaxwellCatAlphonk
      @MaxwellCatAlphonk 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      TH-cam eating my comments again

    • @MaxwellCatAlphonk
      @MaxwellCatAlphonk 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      TH-cam eating my comments again and not postong them vpjsvpjcajpfabuafnafoj

    • @MaxwellCatAlphonk
      @MaxwellCatAlphonk 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

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  • @MilesProwerTailsFox
    @MilesProwerTailsFox 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember when redstone machines got broken every single update, back then redstone changes where made to give us a lot more possibilities but now it's just changes that don't really change anything and don't break nothing and everything is the same at the end

  • @adi_g
    @adi_g 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    A wild Mumbo appeared

  • @theforestofoak
    @theforestofoak 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    2 mumbo vids in 48 hours, we're getting treated

  • @zauls.
    @zauls. 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    As someone who has only dabbled in redstone, I personally think most of these changes are very positive and I can totally see the direction they're going in. These updates just make things much more intuitive and logical, making redstone more accessible to the average player. As long as the bugs get fixed and things get more refined, which I'm sure they will, I think this is a really positive step in the right direction.

    • @ThatMumboJumbo
      @ThatMumboJumbo  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      I will say - these changes won't affect you until the final 1% of your redstone journey. Very few people design things based around update order as at that point your contraption is running at the limit of speed and is likely dealing with 0-ticks etc.

  • @ajalpha3409
    @ajalpha3409 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Not mumbo discovering the fastest item transportation system in the new snapshot

  • @SuperBaccaPlayz
    @SuperBaccaPlayz 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    @10:05 The slight chuckle when you said we've been given the command to change minecart speed. Then proceeds to build a particle accelerator! The whole part where you're experimenting with the speed mechanic was hilarious!

  • @am3thysts
    @am3thysts 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    If any of these changes were in some fashion making redstone the same across all Minecraft versions, and these choices seem logical in many ways, I would 100% be for it. If we can get bedrock and Java redstone to behave the same, the heartache of the changes would 100% be worth no future headaches between game versions. Everyone can follow the same tutorials, use the same machines and mechanics, and world downloads can be universal.

    • @vibaj16
      @vibaj16 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      No matter how it's done, parity would break 99.99% of redstone builds more complex than a 2x2 piston door (in Java, Bedrock, or both). It's not worth it, and most redstoners agree. Mojang would face 100 times as much backlash as they recieved from PvP players when 1.9 changed combat.
      There ARE ways to make dust more logical WITHOUT breaking most builds. I just hope Mojang will come to understand this. Redstone can be made less laggy and easier to predict in most cases without adding RNG and without removing the extra block updates. Effectively no downsides. It's possible.

    • @4547466
      @4547466 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Or we can just let the microtransaction-ridden of game that is bedrock rot in the corner of corporate greed that it belongs in.

    • @Swagpion
      @Swagpion 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@4547466 ITS NOT FULL OF MICROTRANSACTIONS, THOSE ARE LIKE DLC.

    • @metalandmagic1424
      @metalandmagic1424 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@4547466Rah, a large chunk of the playerbase should not have basic quality of life features because my version is better, rah!

    • @am3thysts
      @am3thysts 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@4547466 Wow. That’s a lot of anger for just the optional marketplace. 👀 You know that vast majority of players are on bedrock, right? Because computers are far more niche than consoles? Listen, I hate the micro transactions too… but I also want inclusion for over 60% of all players and further success of smaller redstone tutorial people.

  • @DrKvo
    @DrKvo 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I super appreciate this coolheaded take about this, I'm a little sick of all the drama around this. The devs are asking for feedback, and most of the things that people are upset about seem to be unintended behaviours (like the block updates still being directional/locational).
    I really don't know how I feel about the redstone optimization part. Before I thought it was good, but you've convinced me with your demonstration. Maybe a good middle ground would be that redstone still updates downwards, but the sideways updating is removed. That would hopefully still achieve most of the optimization. At the very least, your suggestion for a transparent immovable updatable block seems essential.

  • @user-gk9dm1cj8n
    @user-gk9dm1cj8n 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The Minecraft changes are the best so far and really fun too 😂