The Old Firm Derby: Religion, Hate & Football | Celtic FC vs Rangers FC | Roots of the Rivalry
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The Old Firm Derby: Religion, Hate & Football | Celtic FC vs Rangers FC | Roots of the Rivalry
Celtic vs Rangers, The Bhoys vs The Gers, Catholic vs Protestant, Green vs Blue. The Old Firm rivalry is one of the most intense in the world of football. Not only from a sporting standpoint, but the history of Celtic and the history of Rangers are intertwined with the history of Glasgow itself. The Irish Immigration, monarchy, unionism, sectarianism national identity and much more all contribute to the hate shared between these two clubs. Today, we look at the history of the Old Firm derby.
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It's strange having TH-camrs talk about something that happens literally two minutes down the road from my flat.
Hahah same way me
It’s mental ain’t it, think he done a great job explaining it 👍 keep safe
Fancy seeing you here
Matthew Bell we’re getting similar home pages. But late to this one tho 😂
Not bad for a Canadian. The pronunciation of sectarianism was a howler though. Love the series mate.
Yep, secretarianism I think would be defined as a hatred of clerical staff.
sounded like sequetarianism
Deeply suspect that you are one of those Canadian loyalist.
However one major point that you missed is that most rangers supporters being loyalist see themselves as more British that Scottish.
While Celtic respect and honour their Irish links see themselves as Scottish and support freedom for Scotland. So please read abit first.
Also I believe you support the Rangers as said earlier you are a Canadian loyalist.
It would be hard to know looking at parkhead on a Saturday big man 🤣🤣 tricolours everywhere whereas ibrox is full of union jacks and Scottish flags give the guy a break he’s no a political mind reader 🤣🤣
@@andrewmclean6829 there is also scottish flags at parkhead pal plus Irish flags due to our Irish heritage
This is the most passionate derby in Scotland and Britain.
It is intense.
People in the USA should watch this.
The world
Used to be, it went and got itself killed in 2012.
Johnpaul Morrison but it is still happening.
@@roryscottish8053 I sound like a creep for telling you the truth? You have a strange idea what a creep or what a mentally ill person is if you think someone telling you what a situation is either a creep or mentally ill, maybe you should get some therapy you might need it if that's how missed up your head is especially with that P stuff you are into.
2012 was the last time their has been a old firm game. As soon as rangers became a new team that's when it was over.
Yes this is were I leave, cannot converse with an admitted P.
Johnpaul Morrison I am not a p and only p would call me one you vile creepy pervert . You are giving up because you have lost the argument to a better man. I support Scottish football. By the way leave those women alone creep.
Just found this channel a few days ago. What a hidden gem this guy is
My bad on the pronunciation of 'sectarianism' - not sure what happened there. But thanks for watching! For MORE Roots of the Rivalry videos on the Milan Derby, El Clásico, the Merseyside Derby and more, click here: goo.gl/cgkW3v
Please can you cover 'el Gran Derbi' (Sevilla vs Real Betis)
Make your extra league the SPFL this weekend because of the Old Firm
The Lisbon episode is gone I would love to be able to see it. Can you re upload it?
You said in the video that Rangers won the 4th, 3rd and 2nd divisions (which were the 3rd division, League 1 and the Championship at the time) consecutively. This is incorrect. Rangers finished 3rd in the Championship in 2014-15 and then missed out on promotion via the play-offs after losing to Motherwell in the final. It wasn’t until the season after that Rangers were promoted back to the Scottish top division.
Hey listen, you did your best and that's good enough for me pal. x
I love this roots of the rivalry.
Keep it up man.
Happy holidays.
@corganoJM Between Saltic and Rainjers?
you also forgot to talk about Northern Ireland that plays a big part
@Ryanros649 IRA? You mean the UDA the RUC the UVF. You can hide all you want but you know as well as everyone else they did the worst stuff to the 6 counties than the IRA ever done, all because the brit flag waving prody Irishmen can't seem to understand that they are Irish and not British. Best part about it is the Brits would sell NI out in a heartbeat, twice they have tried to sell it back to Ireland, and a no deal brexit or even an open border brexit is going to kill NI, actually the whole of the UK is fucked when brexit happens but the 6 counties are the worst affected.
@Ryanros649 also rangers died. So the rivalry died then as well
@Ryanros649 and please direct me to the comment where you think I said I care about the result.
Weird waving a Scottish flag to a Scottish man doesn't seem to have the desired effect you think it would. Go watch Linfield ya fucking spaz. Wave your own flag 🇮🇪 incase you ain't sure what it looks like.
@D 1 filth? Weird that you have a Scottish flag as your picture. Could you not find a scummy jack? Get back to your st George's cross, ya wanna be English prick.
@@King_Cova I think I'll save the Northern Ireland flag at linfield games
The rivalry really is no joke. My dad wasn’t a fan of being a dick to rangers fans, but he fucking loved beating them. I don’t think I ever saw him so happy. He suddenly died a few days before a big old firm game in 2015, and Celtic won. It was bittersweet.
He went to highschool with one of the Lisbon Lions, Bobby Murdoch, at Our Lady’s highschool.
I’m also Canadian, but this rivalry was a huge part of my life. Even wore rangers jerseys to piss my dad off when I was really young... boy, do I regret that. Dick move.
it's pronounced sect-tarianism not secretarianism
Joe Blow lol
He is a dumb yank, what do you expect
@@jb894 he is Canadian you daft twat
Yassss a name check for Dumbarton! I live in Dumbarton and did ever expect a mention in one of these videos. Great video Adrian, love the channel.
Amazing job man! I've just finished watching the game. I obviously don't support either of those, but I loved the intensity on the pitch and off the pitch with the fans being very loud. Loved learning more about the Old Firm!
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Although I'm a Tottenham fan, I bleed Celtic blood! It's hard explaining to people that dont understand that if you're brought up in an Irish Catholic household, you've it breed into you from birth. Love the video, especially you not being from Ireland or Scotland that you've explained everything spot on! And for idiots that try and argue, it IS the worlds oldest & biggest rivalry!!!
Bit messed up arent u. Support the most jewish team in Britain and a team that openly burns israeli flag+ supports palestine.
@@wesbrit630 I support Tottenham cos they're my local team who I'm able to go watch every other week. And believe it not, most Jews in London don't follow football. For the ones that do, Arsenal or Chelsea is the team they support.
Great video lots of research and dedication 👍
Nice attempt,but you missed out the Northen Ireland bit ,which is why its the most unique Derby in the World!
Keep it up mate. Also, can you do a roots of the rivalry for Dortmund vs Schalke.
Contrary to what you say in this video, in the early days Rangers didn't have a specifically Protestant identity except in the sense of reflecting the fact that Scotland was an overwhelmingly Protestant country at the time (so no different to any other sporting institution). The more overtly Protestant aspect to the club's identity really came in following the move of Belfast shipyard Harland & Wolff to Govan (where Rangers are based) in 1912. By that time, there had also been the formation of clubs with overtly Irish Catholic roots - Celtic, Hibernian and Dundee Hibernian (later to become Dundee United) which also sharpened divisions.
A lot of what you say is true. A good amount is left out however, especially around the conflict in the north of Ireland, how the two teams came to be symbols of the warring sides, and the modern day politics of the 2 sets of supporters. Whilst the derby was largely defined by religion in the past, politics now defines it. Celtic largely represent republicanism (not to be confused with the US brand of republicanism. Irish republicanism is very much rooted in socialist and left politics), anti monarchism, and left wing politics, whilst rangers fans represent unionism/loyalism, pro, monarchism, and the right wing. Whilst the religious riots of the past are gone from Glasgow, don’t let this fool you. The city is still very much segregated along old lines in some places, and political and footballing differences can sometimes mean death.
With the rise of scottish independence and anti unionism and monarchy I think celtics are more favoured in scotland now
Really good job and well researched and can you do an episode on just Celtic
Have to admit this is a very well researched video. Well done.
Excellent work as usual keep it up, one thing that has to be emphasized here is that Celtic have never had a strictly Catholics only policy ever as one of their most successful managers (Jock Stein) was a Protestant. Rangers on the other hand thorougly enforced a Protestants only policy of all employees even the janitors it was rumoured and didnt sign a Catholic player til 1985 that being Mo Johnston (that signing is an epic tale in itself if anyone cares to look it up) causing some Rangers supporters to burn their season tickets publicly and vowing to never return to another match.
And they also missed out on the greatest manager who ever existed because he married a Catholic woman.
@@King_Cova He was still a player when he got married, though. Still, SAF's reputation at the time was very high (IIRC he was the most expensive Scottish player of the 60s).
@@RandomnessTube. you stand with the ones who not only raped and pillaged Ireland you stand with the crown who raped and pillaged the people of Scotland as well and still doing it till this day so don't even stand there and claim you have the high ground ya fucking moron. US government are one of the biggest terrorist organisations in the world so I couldn't go around counting them. IRA funny enough have their guns in, the UVF wants millions of pounds to hand over the weapons, just shows you how scummy the prods really are. If you really are clueless the go learn some history. Then ask yourself are you really proud to be associated with that stigma
Did you know their kit man, who is still a kit man today, refused to hang up his jersey for being a catholic
Rangers supporters are a strange bunch many of them will stand at Ibrox waving the Union Jack and sing Rule Britannia and come election day run out and vote SNP, while most Celtic supporters are true to their left wing slant and vote Labour.
I am from New Zealand, and thirty years ago, I was in the UK, doing what we refer to as an O.E (overseas experience). I was in Glasgow at the same time as an "old firm" derby. While I didn't have tickets for the match, a friend and I went to Ibrox on the day, just to see what goes on. We couldn't believe our eyes, both sets of fans hurling abuse at each other, cursing each other to hell. I thought to myself, this is crazy, it's just a different flavour of the same religion, and most of these people are cut from the same cloth. It wasn't until I got back to NZ, did I discover that the roots of the rivalry went back decades if not centuries.
I suggest you cover the following derbies under Roots Of The Rivalry series:
1. Turin Derby: Juventus vs Torino
2. Basque Derby: Real Sociedad vs Athletic Bilbao
3. Catalan Derby: Barcelona vs Espanyol
4. Galician Derby: Celta Vigo vs Deportivo La Coruna
5. Asturian Derby: Sporting Gijon vs Real Oviedo
6. Sevilla Derby: Sevilla FC vs Real Betis
Love this series! Do more please
Was waiting for your video mate, Thanks
I just learned that Virgil Van Dijk played for Celtic!
Yup. Spent 2 seasons there before signing for Southampton.
And had won a trophy. Something that will never happen at Liverpool
Football feeder chain: Celtic -> Southhampton -> Liverpool -> Barcelona
@@tinnic Any other known football feeder chains? That's the only one I know, unfortunately, although I think Dortmund -> Bayern is close.
@@theobuniel9643 Atlético > Real Madrid. Not as prominent in recent years tho
Please do the Revierderby (Dortmund vs Schalke)
Why do they call it the river side derby?
that's embarrassing
Amazing informative video! Keep it up!
Great video and insight into the history. You can’t miss the Dutch classic Feyenoord vs Ajax, of course only with video of Feyenoord winning... :) (less but more historic and exciting)
It’s the biggest rivalry in the world
More bitter than Boca VS. River in Buenos Aires? The one in Rome is nasty too...
1:46 - Rangers were founded in Glasgow Green, not Kelvingrove Park.
Here after Celtic defeated Rangers 2-1 to win the Scottish League Cup.
This rivalry was so big, especially because this year marks the 150th anniversary of the Scottish football and the first rivalry against England.
Imagine hating an individual for their religious beliefs,for the club they support and their national origins
Thanks for doing this video. Ur comments section will soon be full of hilarious comments, oh the banter!!!! As an Aberdeen fan I was disappointed you didn’t mention Aberdeen are the only Scottish club to win two euro trophy’s !! :-)
Aberdeen Aberdeen canny kick a jelly bean, rangers canny kick a baw Celtic are the greatest of them aw.
Come back when Aberdeen win a European trophy to actually talk about the Europa league isn't something special
The atmosphere has changed considerably, except for cup semi finals at Hampden.....It's a bloody tragedy now, as of late, both clubs (in league games) limit the amount of away supporters.. Last game Rangers had 800 away support at Celtic Park, think Celtic have about the same for tonight's game at Ibrox. Anyway Cmon the gers!
A fantastic video and accurately told. Well pointed out that the divide has moved more towards a nationalist divide rather than a religious divide.
Excellent video, could you please do a video about the Revierderby Schalke against Dortmund?
Do a video on the Wien Derby, Austria Wien v Rapid Wien, and Millwall (my team) v West Ham.
I was gonna also suggest mill wall and west Ham cuz I'm a west Ham fan 🛠
Cover the ‘eternal derby’ : CSKA Moscow vs Spartak Moscow.
Great video, please do one for Bayern Vs Dortmund!!
That's no derby.
What an awessome serie could you do one for north london
This might sound petty but rangers didn't win three titles in a row it took four seasons to get back to the spfl
Get back? You mean got to the top tier for the first time in their history
@@King_Cova yeah ok
@@King_Cova all over the comments ya sad fuck
You should look at doing the Tyne-Wear derby 2 sets of hugely passionate fans with a rivalry between 2 cities that dates back to the English Civil War
Jack Woods
Sunderland vs Newcastle
Do the Madrid derby. Excellent video once again!
Terrific video 🔥🔥
My father was a rangers man. Took me many times.even though I'm English and lived here all my life. My late mother's cousin Bertie Auld is a Lisbon lion.
I live in Scotland and I'm not convinced the rivalry will ever "did down". I know folk who are pals one moment and the next they are racially insulting each other and wishing them dead. Quite funny to observe it all tbh 😂
Love the video but small technical error the British flag is the Union Jack over water, over land it is the Union Flag
been watching your channel for a while. been waiting on the old firm derby. as a rangers fan what team do you sway for??
Could you do one on the Klassieker(Ajax v Feyenoord)
Do the RevierDerby
Dortmund Vs Schalke
loved it please do more
Rabona TV i would like to suggest a video on the Le Classique between PSG & Marseille, Tyne-Wear Derby between Newcastle & Sunderland, Lisbon Derby between *Sporting Club & Benfica*
Just to put the record straight Zakwan.. and the producers of this vid.Rangers had No such policy EVER.. of not signing Catholic players.This is an idea put about by people who want to blacken the name of the club and those (many of them in the "Scottish" media) who are too lazy to read up on the history of Scottish football.Rangers were signing Catholic payers and players of any religion and none BEFORE Celtic (and Hibs ) were even formed.Some of Rangers best players were Irish catholics.As Hibs and Celtic rose to prominence and success almost the whole of the footbaling community of young Catholic men chose to follow Celtic and play for Celtic.It became natural with the introduction of separate Catholic schools for this to be the case.Hibs were the first Senior team in Scotland to introduce sectarianism into football.Initially you had to be a PRACTICING Catholic to play for Hibs.Celtic were formed with the help of . and in imitation of Hibs. Celtic were Irish Catholic in everything but their playing staff.because their committee narrowly voted down a proposal to limit the number of protestants in the first team to Four players!Separate schools re-enforced the division of Rangers being a protestant team and Celtic Catholic.Catholic players did play for Rangers after Celtic were formed and became successful but not in their initial numbers.There was never an official No Catholics at Ibrox policy. It was a development of cultural and religious life (and possibly Political life) in the West of Scotland throughout that period.
When you talked about who celtic and rangers fans identify as you could have put for celtic irish-scottish
Weeyoungy 2018 ik that’s what I thought as well
Brilliant vid
I spent 1 hr watching VICE documentary. Still didn't understood as clearly as you explained.
Hats off to your work 👍🏻
Can you please do Red Star Belgrade and Partizam
yo dude i followed u on twitter
My understanding of the term Old Firm is that it originated when the rivalry escalated. A firm is a term for a gang, atleast in the uk. There was a quote of something in the region of it “being like two firms going to battle”.
THANK YOU ADRIAN
Should of mentioned that Celtic fans support Palestine while Rangers fans support israel
DT’s Snap back rangers fan - no one i know supports Israel
Derby days are the best. Even if the football's lousy, you can always count on the electrifying atmosphere to make the game.
Thanks for the video.
Could you do a roots of rivalry vid o Eintracht Frankfurt and Kickers Offenbach eventhoug they are seperated because of the league difference the rivalry still carrys on
Could you do a video about West Ham United and Millwall?
Mo was the first major Catholic to sign for Rangers but, you didn’t mention that Rangers had been signing Catholics since before Celtic were formed.
Do your research.
Up untill 1914 rangers did infact sign Catholic players, untill the team was taken over by supporters of the orange order, two players before Johnstone was signed one kept quite about his religion the other was pushed out of the club when he was discovered as a Catholic. Two players being pushed out of the club because they married Catholic woman (sir Alex Ferguson being one) and have had 6 join since the ban was lifted not good showing.
@@King_Cova Utter fucking tripe Rangers were NEVER" taken Over" by the Orange Order in1914. Ferguson left Rangers because they signed Colin Stein who was a superior player. Its people like you that cause trouble by posting lies. Most of your stuff sounds like its been posted by a five year old. Go and get an education about football Religion and politics and stop posting what some drunken old bigot taught you in the pub. Dont be an arsehole all your life.
SANSOUCCI u must be deluded if u think it was “posted by a five year old”
Thank you for this episode - rangers fan. You should also think about doing hibs/hearts
Not if he is going to get it as wrong as he got this one, then whats the point? lol
I found this very informative have you looked at Sunderland Newcastle yet
1:15 Secretarianism is an excessive attachment to Secretariat (A legendary race horse). Where as Sectarianism is an excessive attachment to a particular sect or party.
It all began at Wittenberg in 1517.
Also, yes it is representative of the fan base as a whole. To paraphrase Brookmyre: the Old Firm is an ingenious voluntary tagging system, whereby various members of the criminal classes willingly dress themselves in blue or green & white. Thus making it easier for the rest of us to identify and avoid them.
From Alan Shields.
Will I appreciate your attempts to cover The Old Firm rivalry there are more than a good few glaring errors
In this video on the subject.
Rangers actually played under the name of Argyle for the first two games against Callender F.C & Clydesdale F.C not Clyde F.C they are two
completely different clubs the first games being played on Flashers Haugh a part of the upper part of Glasgow Green it was only
after the first two games That the name Rangers was chosen as a permanent name Argyle only being used till a permanent name was found as a lot of teams did back in the 1800's.
The founders of Rangers first started to play football after rowing practice down the Clyde as The Funding Fathers
as they are known where members of Clydesdale Rowing Club as you can see in one of the pictures in the video
a very early team picture of Rangers they players played there first games in the strips of Clydesdale Rowing .Club as separate entity of the
Football.Club they played in there Second games as Argyle.
Argyle came from the fact The Founding Fathers came from Argyle & Bute & had moved to Glasgow for work.
Today the rivalry is mostly political.
You did get a lot correct but you did get some things clearly wrong as anyone from The West of Scotland how
Knows there football history will beable to tell.
7 out of 10
I love history especially Sports history it combines both my passions.
Enjoying the channel lots keep up the good work.
The Eternal Rivalry! Not until April but a good one to do I think.
Pls do dear klassicer
Btw great video
Yes
Pass the parcel when rangers day☘️☘️
Zombies have won their 1st title,we'll never hear the end of it now.Matbe they can start paying off their debts.😂😂😂😂
Do the M1 derby, Watford-Luton Town
You should do one of the Rosario Classic, Rosario Central vs Newells Old Boys
The Scotland flag is in the Union Jack.
No Pope of Rome !
Vice did a really nice video about this. I assume Adrian watched it too. Back when Vice was actually good.
I don’t know why but just watching these two I like Celtic way more than rangers. Just watching them score vs rangers makes me happy 🤣 Glasgow is green
Yes mate, must love KT then he's a Celtic man 🇮🇪🏴
@@connor735 yes ofc
GO ABERDEEN!!!
You walk a lonely road friend, so all ill say is moan the dundee united
Mattchamp15
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Right then I’ll say
Mon Falkirk
Mon the Livingston
Lol
Was waiting for your vid on this one. Go Celtic.
Thanks man...
What you failed to mention as all the celtic support won't tell you is that the Catholic Church was fearful that the church of Scotland was feeding and caring for the Irish immigrants was gonna steal there congregation and a huge part of why celtic was set up! And fenian means celtic warrior! And to be a hun meant that you were part of a Superior force!
Huns are knuckle dragging vermin. Simple as that
West Ham vs Millwall
One of the most violent derbies.
Although the to teams did come together to raise money for a sick fan.
Celtic were not only formed for the Irish immigrants but also for the native Scots that were still catholic or Celtic (pronounced keltic and Gaelic speakers) despite the reformation of Scotland, not all of us became Protestants.
So to say that rangers are the natives Scots is not accurate, Like many countries, England just divided us all. Celtic fans are much more inclined to support the Scottish national team and also Scottish independence compared to rangers fans.
Other than that great video will check out the rest of the series!
Very good points frank frank .
Will you do a video on Linfield FC v Glentoran FC (BelClásico)
A video on Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid and their history please? 😅
"Secretarianism" 😂😂😂
There is no old firm
You keep saying buddy
You should to a Dortmund vs. Schalke, Dortmund vs. Bayern, and this one may be more challenging, but The East Anglia Darby (Norwich City vs. Ipswitch Town)
Please talk about El Clásico Nacional, Chivas vs America from Mexico! :D
Ajax-Feyenoord
Rangers were NOT sent down to the bottom division. They liquidated as a club after being caught financially cheating and reformed under a new name (The Rangers INTERNATIONAL Football Club) in the bottom division.
And your lot will be next when they run out of excuses for child sexual abuse . Hope they rot
ye raging mate
And another name was SEVCO
@@NB-ly1bb Brilliant that you think that bothers anyone. Still the most successful club in Scotland FACT.
@@timalloy8232 What you like whataboutary The people once found out were reported right away ,unlike your scummy club that tried to sweep it under the carpet and tried to protect the dirty bastards involved. Typical Septic fan that tries to protect the club that let children suffer and knew about it . Expect nothing less from the likes of you,
Please do the Twinderby ( Djurgården If vs AIK)
Yup, just taken literally a few seconds to double check and sure enough, in the 2014/15 season (the new rangers 1st in the Scottish championship) they finished 3rd behind Hearts (1st) and Hibernian (2nd). They went on to lose the playoff with Premiership side Motherwell 6-1 on aggregate. They then went on to win the championship in the 2015/16 season
Scottish football is not what it used to be.
6 years ago,Scottish teams were beating Barcelona in the CL! Lack of money in small countries means they cant compete anymore!
The Celtic should be allowed to join the Premier League. With that mind of money they could compete for the Champions and Premier League titles or at least an FA Cup. @@gmaccruyff55
Give Celtic the same tr money as Man U and we will be just as big....
RANGERS FC. ✊🏻💙
Yer clubs deid
Thescottish FPSgamer Yer patter’s pish, and yer team’s shite. GIRFUY. WATP! 💙
Thescottish FPSgamer Learn to spell you dirty fucking inbred bastard
SCUM HUN cunts yer teams wank
Watp
will it be ok if I ask you to cover Kolkata derby..
not now.. later maybe
Do the north London derby next!!