Great video man! I've also told DJI they need to ditch that whole gimbal setup and make just a cinema camera. They would attract so many buyers, the limitations of the gimbal + lenses makes it a deal breaker for many.
Thanks man, much appreciated coming from you! Yeah it makes a lot more sense this way: start with a cinema camera first with all those fancy features from the handles and wireless. Then follow through with the Ronin 4D. I'm sure adoption rate would've been MUCH HIGHER. Thanks again for the support
@@TohPhimmasenh it can already hold pretty much any lens when locked, the problem is now I’m carrying extra weight for no reason which means I can’t even use a gimbal because it’s too heavy now. This is exactly what happened on a shoot about a month ago. We wanted to use the Ronin 4D but the Mercury Lenses from Atlas were a tad to heavy so instead we used a Komodo X with a DJI RS3 Pro and worked much better. The gimbal part although a good idea on paper in real world scenarios doesn’t really work for many situations because you’re forced to use DJI lenses or smaller lenses from other manufacturers. The limitation is a deal breaker for many and if they made it modular just like the Flex system I feel the Ronin 4D could really stand on its own.
exactly and if they will market it as a modular system in a way that brain and sensor where in the $6k range will make them a lot of sales...knowing that you can get the fancy gymbal later on
Absolutely insane video, the amount of information is just epic. Who could have thought Raptor is the low light king? But damn DJI really did good job on their sensor tech. If they released standalone cinema camera I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I’m pretty sure what’s happening with the second native ISO is that it’s actually switching up to the second circuit at around 4000 but they make 5000 the native ISO so that way there’s an even amount of stops of dynamic range between the shadows and highlights.
I learned a lot from this! In my mind though, the FX3 should only be operated at 800 and 12,800 ISO. Hence why we have Cine EI. So weather being compared to linear or other dual ISO, its pointless to be compared outside of its "base" iso's. But with all that said, the 4D image quality is amazing. From my own tests, it edge out the FX3 from everything from resolution to noice to dynamic range. Its a super underrated CINEMA camera.
@@bemboing4338 I personally haven’t experienced any fuzziness at 12,800. Granted my color grades can get a bit advance and I’m able to really stretch any footage. I think a lot of these online tests are a bit rudimentary. Def not this video tho, super detailed. Learned a lot!
@@bemboing4338 I’ve heard that a lot too, but I anways use film grain so never bugged me personally. And thank you!!! I’m excited to make some LUTs for the Komodo X!
I would say the ISO comparison here should be taken with a GIANT GRAIN OF SALT, given that even if the FX3 at ISO 12800 is a noise score of 65, as you say, practically and scientifically speaking no one increases their ISO to measure the points of noise. We increase the ISO to boost the signal in cases were we can't compensate with additional light. So the most relevant fact here is NOT the 1 point (your scale, not mine) of additional noise, it IS the additional stops of signal light increased by the FX3's additional ISO's that neither the 4D nor the V-Raptor have at all. (Meaning they can't compete at all.) The fact that at ISO 12800 the FX3 has increased my signal for a negligible amount of noise compared to these two camera's only solidifies that the FX3 is better than both these cameras in low light shooting scenarios. I've personally seen very usable footage come out of the FX3 at ISO's well above 12800, which you can't even run that comparison. Further and far less arguable is that because of the physics of the sensors themselves, there isn't currently any technology that allows a 6k and 8k sensor to outperform a 4k sensor in low light without the sensors themselves being much larger than than full frame or maybe even medium format. It just doesn't exist.
Thanks for the comment, I don't agree on "Should only be operated at 800 and 12800 ISO". You saw how each ISO has a different DR for example, native is not always the BEST in everything, it might have a DR distribution that's not good for your scene, or even a lowrered DR. Let's also agree that other than native, it's mainly a gain algorithm applied by the camera, all provided it's shot in RAW. Finally in many situations, you migh tend up being stuck in a situation where no light or aperture will help in shooting in native, so you'll be forced to shoot off native.
@@THEDPJOURNEY I agree that there are lighting situations in which light or aperture will not provide sufficient exposure, most lacking adequate light and not being able to add more. In that case, you want a camera with the highest usable ISO, which when given the options from the cameras that you compared will be the FX3 or the FX6. In that situation that camera has the most light gathering available with a more than usable image.
Epic video. Such a good resource. Honestly its top notch. Definitely not too nerdy. There are so many videos out there that add nothing at all, have no details and don't teach anything. You are the exception and its great to see someone do well and actually inform people of new knowledge.
THANK YOU so much for the kind words, really glad this was helpful and it says something about the camera beyond just hype. Thanks again for your support
On of the best sensor comparison videos I’ve seen in my life. Incredible narrative, and planing. Many camera reviewer gods should take this time when talking about specs after they are sent a camera.
Thank you so much for appreciating the effort that went to it. I mean testing the camera is one thing, and trying to simplify it while being technically correct is another. So thanks again
Okay this video was randomly recommended to me by the algorithm, but turned out production in it is basically a benchmark. I'm at loss of words. As aspiring creator, seeing this level of quality, gets me depressed and inspired at the same time!
I’m really happy the algorithm, decided to show it to you, and for you to eventually decide to watch it. Thank you so much for the kind words and it would really mean a lot if you can share it with everyone.
Amazing quality content, the way you deconstruct everythings blow my mind and in not so nerdy. Can't stop thinking of the S1H 12.7 DR for a 2019 camera
This IMX410 sensor has been used on so many popular full-frame cameras, including the FF mirrorless bestseller Sony a7iii, as well as S1H, S1, S5, S5ii, D780, Z6, Z6ii, Z5, FX9, a7c, fp, SL-2, etc.
Keep in mind the same sensor can perform very differently based on the way you tweak it and program it. Think of it like a race car engine, you can get completely different performances based on what do you need from it. So I guess DJI managed to squeeze a lot more juice out of it
In order to match the exact settings of both cameras, I didn’t use cone EI. Keep in mind the EI mode is only an interface thing, it won’t give you any difference in results
This is amazing! Thank you so much for doing these tests and sharing the information. This just proves that specs don't always tell the true story. We should be testing and understanding our cameras to know how and when we can push them.
Thank you for your support, and what you said is absolutely what everyone should be doing... specs are just an FYI, but your own testing is what matters. That's why we have should use youtube to share those info with everyone, not just overhype things Thanks again
This quite possibly might be the best tutorial/review that I've ever seen. IMO, blows Gerald Undone away. Thanks for this, as I own both the 4D and FX3
Great video. I honestly couldnt be happier with this camera. When you break down all the things about the camera besides the gimbal, it is hard to beat. Pulling focus from the handle, moving camera head with joystick, blackmagic style screen interface(touchscreen and user friendly), the image!, pull focus on manual lenses(w/focus motor for ronin 4d) and calibrate to autofocus, switch camera mounts to E,M,L,or DL mounts. When you think about price and how much you would have to buy to make any other camera do all of this its a no brainer. Aprehension of buying is typically because of price, you are not sure and it looks weird, Your secretly jealous, or you think it has limitations on lenses. Well im hear to say every time i use this camera and show other filmmakers they are like "wtf! This is ridiculous and amazing". It immediately has that magic feeling you felt when you were a kid playing video games.
Totally agree with what you're saying, the main problem is, you're buying the whole package together all at once. While everyone looks at it as an expensive camera, when it's actually a camera + Gimbal + monitor + LIDAR + SSD. if you buy them separate, they won't be that far from the price
WOW! my man did it again! This presentation is superb! Even though I am not super techie (but I love gear...), I found this super easy to understand.. besides I learnt so much! Thank you!
DJI is really doing an impressive job not only making a breakthrough innovation by creating a unique camera system but also making their system "usable" for a production scale
Great, thanks! It was very clear to me. I’d love to see a new video about the X9-8K sensor update, especially to learn how it performs with Dynamic Range Expansion and in low-light situations.
The X6 is much better value for money. The only advantage I see in the times nine is the OLPF filter. It also lacks many of the codecs from the X6 and the Native ISO distribution is way worse than X6. I don’t recommend it, even if it’s the same price as the X6. I honestly didn’t see a point to make an episode about it because of this and a lot more smaller stuff.
So much great infos, you managed with only one video to gain a subscriber, it's difficult for me to subscribe to someone especially that quickly, thank you!👏👏👏
Such an amazing explanation and edit. I subbed your channel. Please keep on making videos. Your explanation is very informative and clears out my lack of knowledge
Man this channel is supremely underrated! What a debunking video to begin with. Could find myself saying amazing amazing amazing throughout and I am only 2/3rd of the video in. Geez you have my subscription and all the respect! WOW.
great video, but fyi hasselblad was bought out by DJI !!, so at 11:27 thats why the skin tone of the 4D is outstanding, as Hasselblad uses Sony sensors, of course, but they tweak the colour science, why the shots look so vouge like!!
@@THEDPJOURNEY it’s incredible my man, and looks so professional. I have one question that I couldn’t find answered anywhere… can you mount a wireless lav on the ronin 4D? Does it have a cold shoe?
With the noise test, I think we missed the mark a little. While noise performance is important.. we’re totally ignoring color quality. The FX3 color looked way better wt 12,800 while the 4D lost a lot of its color quality at that same ISO.
Haven’t really experienced a loss of color detail at all. Keep me n mind these are 2 different log profiles and color science, so the difference in color is expected.
@@THEDPJOURNEY we were just using the 4D 6K and FX3 on a job tonight but at their native ISOs. Both look great. But yeah great review, just circling back on it. Hoping you can do a similar test soon ;)
I believe the fX3 is actually a quad-bayered 48MP sensor with the micro lenses encompassing a group of 2x2 pixels. Do you think this contributes to the noisier pixel structure as well?
could be one explanation. I think it could be the optimization for readout speeds which left image quality behind. The old IMX410 produces a much nicer image as shown on the Ronin 4D but also FX9, S1H, S5II(x), Kinifinity 6K cameras, Z-Cam F6 etc.
Realy great video! BTW the second ISO is not just about resetting the noise, it's about ressetting the distribution of dynamic range stops back to around base levels - as we boost ISO you gain stops in the highlights and loose them in the shadows. Having dual native ISOs restets the spread of highlight and shadow information to closer to 'native'. That's why the noise resets at 4000 but it's not the designated second native, it probably doesn't have as much range in the shadows to be comparative to 800.
Thanks for the comment, with that said, did you notice how the DR reset is happening in 4000, not 5000. there's a weird change happening there. So it seems their 2nd native is 4000 not 5000. Also their 8K sensor's second native is 4000 as well... so yeah, something to think about
As with most dual ISO cameras the noise resets earlier than the claimed 'base' iso. That's when the camera swaps to the new gain circuit, not when the cameras dynamic range is at it's 'baseline' for what the company considers best for stops distributed under or above middle grey. At ISo 4000 it will have more dynamic range in the shadows and not enough in the highlights to have the spread considered to be the new 'native' level. @@THEDPJOURNEY
If you strip down ronin 4d to bare minimum weight are you able to use on rs4pro for the track function for waypoints on the ronin app? If not why doesn’t ronin 4d have this function and rs4pro does and is there anyway to track for repeatable shots?
Fantastic video as always. So glad you clearly demonstrated the relatively unknown poor noise performance habits of the FX3/A7Siii. I'd love to see you deep dive on the Sony A1's video performance in 8K mode, that camera seems to be under-rated for video performance.
Man man man,🔥 you shocked me😄 After 3 years thinking about FX3, and I believe how fx3 was the best of last 2 years for me Now you really one more time change my mind😄🔥 You can’t believe how your videos keep me watching it that I don’t like to see ending in your videos.😄 Thanks for your time🙏🏼
OMG, thans a lot for such awesome support, it really makes my day and pushes me to do more when i see such awesome support from awesome people like you. Thanks again for watching and for your support
I would say the ISO comparison here should be taken with a GIANT GRAIN OF SALT, given that even if the FX3 at ISO 12800 is a noise score of 65, as you say, practically and scientifically speaking no one increases their ISO to measure the points of noise. We increase the ISO to boost the signal in cases were we can't compensate with additional light. So the most relevant fact here is NOT the 1 point (your scale, not mine) of additional noise, it IS the additional stops of signal light increased by the FX3's additional ISO's that neither the 4D nor the V-Raptor have at all. (Meaning they can't compete at all.) The fact that at ISO 12800 the FX3 has increased my signal for a negligible amount of noise compared to these two camera's only solidifies that the FX3 is better than both these cameras in low light shooting scenarios. I've personally seen very usable footage come out of the FX3 at ISO's well above 12800, which you can't even run that comparison. Further and far less arguable is that because of the physics of the sensors themselves, there isn't currently any technology that allows a 6k and 8k sensor to outperform a 4k sensor in low light without the sensors themselves being much larger than than full frame or maybe even medium format. It just doesn't exist.
Had to revisit this video again because of HOW good it is... Also needed some more motivation to finally purchase the 4D haha... But honestly man... Incredible work! One question... I know you talked about this a bit but is it really fair to compare 4k to 6k when it comes to the noise levels? I also wonder how all the tests on the 4D would look like when you do not film in ProRes RAW, since I will not be filming in RAW for the most part. Thank you so much again for this video! Instant sub.
First of all, thank you so much for the kind words, and for revisiting the video. To answer your questions, yes it is technically unfair to compare 6K against 4K when it comes to noise, but the massive difference I saw between both goes way beyond what I was expecting. Imagine the 4D has a 4K sensor with the same exact performance as the 6k, the noise levels diff would be at most 3% difference, 6k being better of course , but here I saw maybe what could be considered as 20%+ reduction in quality, the FX3 went way beyond the unfair range that you can’t really consider it. Maybe the more fair comparison would be with the FX9, since it’s a 6k sensor. But I can assure you it’s not gonna be much better. As for not shooting in RAW, that would be even more unfair and hard to quantify, since both cameras have very different kinds of noise reduction algorithms, making the results very unpredictable when comparing different scenes in different lighting, so basically you’ll be comparing how good or bad the noise reduction is, not what the sensor really gives you to work with Hope that helps
What editing denoise do you use? Phenomenal video! I have a 4D and was thinking about getting an FX3 but I'm thinking about just getting another 4D if I decide to get another camera!
Thanks for your kind comment! Yeah the 4D is by far the best performing sensor I’ve seen so far from all mirrorless. I’ve put the link to the denser in the description by the way Thanks again
@@THEDPJOURNEY Great to know! I got an FX3 and really love it, there are things I love more about it in comparison to the 4D, so much so I am very split on which one I should get a twin of first!
You should have a look at the URSA 12K using firmware 7.7 or later. In 12K from ISO !00 to 640, the noise is undetectable. From 800 to 1250, if your light greys are at IRE 40 or above, the noise is also undetectable. It is due to the super fine pixels and the RGBW sensor (very good detail and color density). As a result, the latitude is also insanely good.
On my Pocket 4k the second gain ISO starts at ISO 1250, while the second native ISO is 3200. So that’s ISO 400 and ISO 3200 but the second starts at 1250 so it’s the cleanest at 1250. At 17:26 the clips shows the native ISO’s having the best highlight and shadow ratios. ISO 4000 is where the second gain starts.
This was a crazy good video. As an FX3 and Sigma FP owner, I'd love to see how the Ronin stacks up to the FP, as that's another camera that I feel the sensor is vastly underrated on. Great animations and overall quality of content. Keep up the amazing work!
Keep in mind having the same sensor doesn't mean you'll get the same exact performance, each camera brand tweaks it in their own way, pushing and pulling to their own flavor.
Wow. Sherif, this video is so amazing and well-thought-out ! Thank you for debunking myth that a camera with larger pixels (and thus having lower resolution ) means it's good in low - light. I also appreciate how you were so objective throughout this video ( given that most TH-camrs here are Sony fanboys).
Sorry for the bad English, I'm Russian, but I have long come to the conclusion that the dual native iso is not designed to reduce noise, as many bloggers claim, but to be able to re-redistribute the dynamic de-range in shadows and lights.
The problem is that camera brands were marketing it as a second "Clean" ISO setting. I actually had a whole section I deleted from the video to keep it shorter, that explored how the DR also resets slightly at 4000, you can already see it in their DR/ISO chart. So yeah, I know about the second ISO and DR fact, but most people wouldn't understand the correlation unless I explain it first. Thanks again
Well done! Again doing contents more out of the box! Plus all the motion graphics add even more value to your channel, as they are simple but really nice! Thanks
This IMX410 sensor on Ronin 4D-6K has been used on so many popular full-frame cameras, including the FF mirrorless bestseller Sony a7iii, as well as S1H, S1, S5, S5ii, D780, Z6, Z6ii, Z5, FX9, a7c, fp, SL-2, etc.
@@THEDPJOURNEY It is not an official statement by DJI but my hypothesis is based on the following facts: 1. Ronin 4D maxes out at 6K48p at 12bit 17:9 mode, which pretty much matches that of IMX410 at 24MP 3:2 open gate at 40p 12bit. 2. Its dynamic range and readout speed is very close to some of the true cinema cameras listed above, like S1H and FX9. 3. DJI started developing Ronin 4D a few years back and it is reasonable to assume they picked the most cost-effective 6K full frame sensor at that time which was IMX410. Had they developed their own sensor, they would've mentioned it with great emphasis, as a sign of sensor manufacturing breakthrough for China. Had there been better options, they would've gone for a faster sensor.
Same question in my head. Sony image sensors are not only popular, but highly acclaimed in the market as well. I am just curious how DJI can defeat Sony so cleanly.
@@frankfeng2701 there are so many renditions of the same sensor, think of it like cars, they're all the same model but with different performance and features. With that said, I guess the best way to really find out about anything is to try it, not to only read specs. Which is why I never take any company's claims for granted, but rather test it myself
at 0:36 when you show the noise performance between dji roinin 4d and fx3 at 10,000 iso, wouldnt it be more fair to bump to sony fx3 to 12,800 since that is its second base. a lot of the noise should clear up then.
Great observations and video as always! BUT I think you should emphasize more that this is FX3's RAW performance. In H.264 or HEVC sony does a really good job in getting rid of a lot of noise while still retaining a somewhat sharp image. Not a lot of people shoot only RAW video. It would be interesting if you populated the comparison charts with HEVC and AVC noise performance, so we could see more meaningful comparisons. As always top notch video!
I think he mentioned that his intent was to analyze primarily the sensor itself and the best way to do that is to look at the RAW video output. I get your point in regards to real world use - but that said there are a lot of us who shoot primarily in RAW in fact I don’t think I have ever used the ProRes built into my REDs or when we rent Alexa’s for a job but that has a lot to do with the types of jobs you take on. Event shooters and short form content creators probably don’t care about RAW as much but folks doing commercials, narrative or the types of VFX jobs. Having more information about how the raw capabilities stand up is important. I for one was pretty impressed with the 4D in this video and might consider it over the Komodo-X I was planning on adding.
I actually have a LOT of other tests with the H264 comparisons, but I cut that bit out otherwise the episode would've crossed 50 min. but to your point, the reason why I had this whole section there, was to show how the H264 from this camera is MUCH more impressive than the SONY as well. Maybe I'll compile these other findings in part 2
Magnificent as usual my man! Highlight rolloff shoot-off, the cine-nerd's ultimate wet dream, haha! Quite astonished how bad FX3 compares in lowlight, with such a fugly green tint in even lower ISO... Sony colour science. Interested to know your thoughts on the Kinefinty Mavo MK II...? Big applause, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah I was shocked myself at the kind of results aI got from FX3. As I mentioned, I thought it'll beat the Ronin... but it failed miserably
Awesome video as always! Quick question, though. Have you tested the Ronin 4D vs the Sony FX3 shooting ProRes RAW with an Atomos Ninja V? I think it’ll be great to do a video comparing those 2 setups. Keep up the good work!
So far I would use the Sony 1.8s They’re pretty small and lightweight. Of course putting on heavier lenses makes it a lot harder to handle, and that’s the main issue with this awesome camera.
*I've been waiting for the Ronan 4D with the 8K sensor. I would like to see this review once again, but with the 8K X9 Sensor head please. There are no reviews out there on TH-cam for the Ronan 4D with the Zenmuse X9 8K sensor head.*
I revisit this as the 4D is almost half off right now. It honestly looks from your testing like the better sensor. But with all the 4D updates, more limited codecs, it’s still a tough call. The versatility of the FX3 is still a pretty easy choice.
For sure, the FX3’s size, more lens compatibility makes it a more versatile choice. But if you care more about image quality, then so far, the 4D is on top of
I was just replying to another comment saying the same thing about the IMX410 actually. There's a whole tech circus the camera brand need to work on around the sensor to pull the flavor they need from it, each camera can tweak it to its liking, push and pull to find what they want to offer to us. Like a raw image... if you give it to 2 different people, they'll give you 2 very different results. SONY came up with A7M3, DJI came up with Ronin 4D
@@THEDPJOURNEY Also there have been various revisions of the IMX410. The sensor is also used in the FX9 and S5IIx which perform way better than the A73 as well ;)
Wonderful video! However would never shoot outside of 800 or 12800 on Sony. Also I love the tech comparison… it’s the one we’ve been missing. To me it’s most about the lenses and I haven’t seen an image from this camera that I really loved and it’s now apparent it HAS to be due to the glass. That’s the deal breaker. The best sensor in the world can’t make those horrible lenses look great…. You’d have to have a whole team of teams in post work like on Garland’s Civil War.
Thanks for the comment, such informations can never be disclosed unfortunately due to NDAs I sign before dealing with them So I cannot confirm or deny that fact
One thing about the useable dynamic stops - The way I think about it is that once you have e.g. a split of let's say +3 and -9 from correct exposure at native ISO by underexposing to -3 you just can make use of +6 and -6 by that and therefore the ISO with the maximum range is the best to use (if you "intelligently" underexpose/overexpose). What's the fault in my thoughts there? Thanks!
You are absolutely right, it all depends on what you give the camera and it’s all relative which one is it will consider as highlights and which ones are shadows, but keep in mind your limitation in what you give. The camera in terms of exposure would hit a wall of the shorter angle and the lens Iris setting, and this is when the importance of the dynamic range distribution comes to play. Let’s see in the dark setting you open up the IRIS as wide as possible, but you can’t get the image to be properly exposed, that’s when the dynamic range in the shadows will be useful
Looks like Prores Raw has the best low light performance, but it also looks like H.264 requires internal noise reduction like most mirrorless cameras. The second native ISO is only slightly higher than the first native ISO with PRR max PR4444.
@@THEDPJOURNEY My pleasure. Your videos are fire. Just watched and learned a lot from your 3 ways to shoot with 1 light video. I'd love to see more artistic breakdowns for cinematic lighting on a budget. I'd also pay for that in a Patreon
Great video man! I've also told DJI they need to ditch that whole gimbal setup and make just a cinema camera. They would attract so many buyers, the limitations of the gimbal + lenses makes it a deal breaker for many.
Thanks man, much appreciated coming from you! Yeah it makes a lot more sense this way: start with a cinema camera first with all those fancy features from the handles and wireless. Then follow through with the Ronin 4D. I'm sure adoption rate would've been MUCH HIGHER.
Thanks again for the support
I think all they need to do is just make the gimbal lock stronger, No wobble at all and can hold heavier lens
@@TohPhimmasenh it can already hold pretty much any lens when locked, the problem is now I’m carrying extra weight for no reason which means I can’t even use a gimbal because it’s too heavy now.
This is exactly what happened on a shoot about a month ago. We wanted to use the Ronin 4D but the Mercury Lenses from Atlas were a tad to heavy so instead we used a Komodo X with a DJI RS3 Pro and worked much better.
The gimbal part although a good idea on paper in real world scenarios doesn’t really work for many situations because you’re forced to use DJI lenses or smaller lenses from other manufacturers. The limitation is a deal breaker for many and if they made it modular just like the Flex system I feel the Ronin 4D could really stand on its own.
exactly and if they will market it as a modular system in a way that brain and sensor where in the $6k range will make them a lot of sales...knowing that you can get the fancy gymbal later on
@@THEDPJOURNEY Did you shoot ProRes Raw on the Sony? I'm assuming you did but I just wanted to check
Absolutely insane video, the amount of information is just epic. Who could have thought Raptor is the low light king? But damn DJI really did good job on their sensor tech. If they released standalone cinema camera I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Yeah man!!! We need a DJI camera, forget about gimbals and Drones! I want THAT sensor!!
especially at their pricing.
I’m pretty sure what’s happening with the second native ISO is that it’s actually switching up to the second circuit at around 4000 but they make 5000 the native ISO so that way there’s an even amount of stops of dynamic range between the shadows and highlights.
I learned a lot from this! In my mind though, the FX3 should only be operated at 800 and 12,800 ISO. Hence why we have Cine EI. So weather being compared to linear or other dual ISO, its pointless to be compared outside of its "base" iso's. But with all that said, the 4D image quality is amazing. From my own tests, it edge out the FX3 from everything from resolution to noice to dynamic range. Its a super underrated CINEMA camera.
@@bemboing4338 I personally haven’t experienced any fuzziness at 12,800. Granted my color grades can get a bit advance and I’m able to really stretch any footage. I think a lot of these online tests are a bit rudimentary. Def not this video tho, super detailed. Learned a lot!
@@bemboing4338 I’ve heard that a lot too, but I anways use film grain so never bugged me personally. And thank you!!! I’m excited to make some LUTs for the Komodo X!
I would say the ISO comparison here should be taken with a GIANT GRAIN OF SALT, given that even if the FX3 at ISO 12800 is a noise score of 65, as you say, practically and scientifically speaking no one increases their ISO to measure the points of noise. We increase the ISO to boost the signal in cases were we can't compensate with additional light. So the most relevant fact here is NOT the 1 point (your scale, not mine) of additional noise, it IS the additional stops of signal light increased by the FX3's additional ISO's that neither the 4D nor the V-Raptor have at all. (Meaning they can't compete at all.) The fact that at ISO 12800 the FX3 has increased my signal for a negligible amount of noise compared to these two camera's only solidifies that the FX3 is better than both these cameras in low light shooting scenarios. I've personally seen very usable footage come out of the FX3 at ISO's well above 12800, which you can't even run that comparison. Further and far less arguable is that because of the physics of the sensors themselves, there isn't currently any technology that allows a 6k and 8k sensor to outperform a 4k sensor in low light without the sensors themselves being much larger than than full frame or maybe even medium format. It just doesn't exist.
Thanks for the comment, I don't agree on "Should only be operated at 800 and 12800 ISO". You saw how each ISO has a different DR for example, native is not always the BEST in everything, it might have a DR distribution that's not good for your scene, or even a lowrered DR. Let's also agree that other than native, it's mainly a gain algorithm applied by the camera, all provided it's shot in RAW. Finally in many situations, you migh tend up being stuck in a situation where no light or aperture will help in shooting in native, so you'll be forced to shoot off native.
@@THEDPJOURNEY I agree that there are lighting situations in which light or aperture will not provide sufficient exposure, most lacking adequate light and not being able to add more. In that case, you want a camera with the highest usable ISO, which when given the options from the cameras that you compared will be the FX3 or the FX6. In that situation that camera has the most light gathering available with a more than usable image.
Your editing is so clean and understandable. Thank you!
Thank you so much for the kind words
Epic video. Such a good resource. Honestly its top notch. Definitely not too nerdy. There are so many videos out there that add nothing at all, have no details and don't teach anything. You are the exception and its great to see someone do well and actually inform people of new knowledge.
THANK YOU so much for the kind words, really glad this was helpful and it says something about the camera beyond just hype. Thanks again for your support
On of the best sensor comparison videos I’ve seen in my life. Incredible narrative, and planing. Many camera reviewer gods should take this time when talking about specs after they are sent a camera.
THAK YOU so much for you support and kind comment. I would be super grateful if you share it with your peers. Thanks again Gaston
One of the best, most informative and well put together videos on dynamic range, noise and their correlation. 👏 Kudos to you!
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching
You make the complicated information fun to watch and more enjoyable!
What an effort.
Thank you so much for appreciating the effort that went to it. I mean testing the camera is one thing, and trying to simplify it while being technically correct is another. So thanks again
Okay this video was randomly recommended to me by the algorithm, but turned out production in it is basically a benchmark. I'm at loss of words. As aspiring creator, seeing this level of quality, gets me depressed and inspired at the same time!
I’m really happy the algorithm, decided to show it to you, and for you to eventually decide to watch it. Thank you so much for the kind words and it would really mean a lot if you can share it with everyone.
What a fantastic video… truly shocked at your findings! Great work.
Really appreciate your kind words. It’d really help if you can share it please. Much appreciated 🙏
Amazing quality content, the way you deconstruct everythings blow my mind and in not so nerdy. Can't stop thinking of the S1H 12.7 DR for a 2019 camera
Thanks for your support! Yeah you gotta get nerdy with sensors, it makes everything much clearer.
This IMX410 sensor has been used on so many popular full-frame cameras, including the FF mirrorless bestseller Sony a7iii, as well as S1H, S1, S5, S5ii, D780, Z6, Z6ii, Z5, FX9, a7c, fp, SL-2, etc.
@@frankfeng2701 even FX9 ?!
Keep in mind the same sensor can perform very differently based on the way you tweak it and program it. Think of it like a race car engine, you can get completely different performances based on what do you need from it. So I guess DJI managed to squeeze a lot more juice out of it
The S1H only missed a good autofocus to be the true king. Everybody made fun of the built-in fan only to then do it themselves too.
This editor presentation is award winning
Thanks 🙏
Much appreciated
Thanks (again and again) so much for a beautifully epicly informative video! DJI needs to release a stand-alone camera house ASAP.
4:25 was this done on in Cine EI in the FX3 AllI format because I don’t see any grain in this setting 🧐
In order to match the exact settings of both cameras, I didn’t use cone EI. Keep in mind the EI mode is only an interface thing, it won’t give you any difference in results
Thanks!
Huge thanks for your kind support and contribution 🙏🙏
DJI's built-in ND filter has been tested to be very accurate in the industry, hardly ever heard of off-colour problems, so don't worry!
Not worried, rather impressed
This was extremely informative and I gotta say those motion graphics are fantastic !
Much appreciated, thanks for watching
This is amazing! Thank you so much for doing these tests and sharing the information. This just proves that specs don't always tell the true story. We should be testing and understanding our cameras to know how and when we can push them.
Thank you for your support, and what you said is absolutely what everyone should be doing... specs are just an FYI, but your own testing is what matters. That's why we have should use youtube to share those info with everyone, not just overhype things
Thanks again
This quite possibly might be the best tutorial/review that I've ever seen. IMO, blows Gerald Undone away. Thanks for this, as I own both the 4D and FX3
Great video. I honestly couldnt be happier with this camera. When you break down all the things about the camera besides the gimbal, it is hard to beat. Pulling focus from the handle, moving camera head with joystick, blackmagic style screen interface(touchscreen and user friendly), the image!, pull focus on manual lenses(w/focus motor for ronin 4d) and calibrate to autofocus, switch camera mounts to E,M,L,or DL mounts. When you think about price and how much you would have to buy to make any other camera do all of this its a no brainer. Aprehension of buying is typically because of price, you are not sure and it looks weird, Your secretly jealous, or you think it has limitations on lenses. Well im hear to say every time i use this camera and show other filmmakers they are like "wtf! This is ridiculous and amazing". It immediately has that magic feeling you felt when you were a kid playing video games.
All mentioned here sums up my thoughts that has me seriously looking to getting this camera. Add PL Mount as well, the DZO PL to DL Mount option.
Totally agree with what you're saying, the main problem is, you're buying the whole package together all at once. While everyone looks at it as an expensive camera, when it's actually a camera + Gimbal + monitor + LIDAR + SSD. if you buy them separate, they won't be that far from the price
Hands down, the best practical test ive seen on youtube so far. No bull.
Thanks a lot for your kind compliments, really happy you liked it. Was trying to be as objective as possible
Hey man probably the nicest style to make technical review videos, wow really good and innovative!!! 💯👌🏼
Glad you liked it! Thanks for the kind words
WOW! my man did it again! This presentation is superb! Even though I am not super techie (but I love gear...), I found this super easy to understand.. besides I learnt so much! Thank you!
Glad you liked it! Thanks as always for your continued support
Mmmmmm….eye candy. State of art video as always. Thx for sharing all effort.
It always makes me happy.
DJI is really doing an impressive job not only making a breakthrough innovation by creating a unique camera system but also making their system "usable" for a production scale
Yeah they did a pretty good job I must say
So cleanest codec on the ronin 4D H.264?
If you apply denoise in camera, then they’re all gonna look similar except raw
Great 📹 video, have you gotten to try the Lumix S5 IIX has the 6K raw video get any upgrades with the newer processor
I haven't tried it honestly. Waiting for the S1H MKII
@@THEDPJOURNEY very true should be a good upgrade.
@@THEDPJOURNEY hope it has built in nds
This is the greatest camera comparison video I have ever seen. Spectacular work.
Wow, thanks!
Thank you SOO MUCH for taking ISO vs DR into the comparison. WHY never talks about this! thank you. ^^
I KNOWWWW!! Was actually thinking of having an episode just for that
@@THEDPJOURNEY yes pls do this! :D
Incredibly detailed and informative dude. You got my follow!
Thank you so much, welcome aboard 👍👍
Great, thanks! It was very clear to me. I’d love to see a new video about the X9-8K sensor update, especially to learn how it performs with Dynamic Range Expansion and in low-light situations.
The X6 is much better value for money. The only advantage I see in the times nine is the OLPF filter. It also lacks many of the codecs from the X6 and the Native ISO distribution is way worse than X6. I don’t recommend it, even if it’s the same price as the X6. I honestly didn’t see a point to make an episode about it because of this and a lot more smaller stuff.
So much great infos, you managed with only one video to gain a subscriber, it's difficult for me to subscribe to someone especially that quickly, thank you!👏👏👏
Wow! Thank you Sherif 🙏 for this great video packed with so much information and I am always in wait for your valuable long detailed videos.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching and happy to make more of these
Such an amazing explanation and edit. I subbed your channel. Please keep on making videos. Your explanation is very informative and clears out my lack of knowledge
Really glad to hear that! Thank you so much for the sub, welcome aboard
Man this channel is supremely underrated! What a debunking video to begin with. Could find myself saying amazing amazing amazing throughout and I am only 2/3rd of the video in. Geez you have my subscription and all the respect! WOW.
Wow, thank you! You’re so kind, and welcome aboard.
The best camera comparison I ever seen ! It felt like I was watching a Netflix documentary about cameras🔥👌
great video, but fyi hasselblad was bought out by DJI !!, so at 11:27 thats why the skin tone of the 4D is outstanding, as Hasselblad uses Sony sensors, of course, but they tweak the colour science, why the shots look so vouge like!!
wow another well done video. I cant wait to see what DJI will bring to its users next.
Fingers crossed!
Which lens did you use on the 4D?
wow..... I am just SO impressed by this video man.
Incredible work.
Thank you so much for the compliment, glad you liked it 🙏
@@THEDPJOURNEY it’s incredible my man, and looks so professional. I have one question that I couldn’t find answered anywhere… can you mount a wireless lav on the ronin 4D? Does it have a cold shoe?
With the noise test, I think we missed the mark a little. While noise performance is important.. we’re totally ignoring color quality. The FX3 color looked way better wt 12,800 while the 4D lost a lot of its color quality at that same ISO.
Haven’t really experienced a loss of color detail at all. Keep me n mind these are 2 different log profiles and color science, so the difference in color is expected.
@@THEDPJOURNEY we were just using the 4D 6K and FX3 on a job tonight but at their native ISOs. Both look great. But yeah great review, just circling back on it. Hoping you can do a similar test soon ;)
You always put in a lot of effort in the videos you post. well done.
This is exactly why I moved to the 4D as my A cam and a zv-e1 as my B cam. Great video
I believe the fX3 is actually a quad-bayered 48MP sensor with the micro lenses encompassing a group of 2x2 pixels. Do you think this contributes to the noisier pixel structure as well?
could be one explanation. I think it could be the optimization for readout speeds which left image quality behind. The old IMX410 produces a much nicer image as shown on the Ronin 4D but also FX9, S1H, S5II(x), Kinifinity 6K cameras, Z-Cam F6 etc.
Can really think of one reason, there are so many factors that can cause this
Realy great video! BTW the second ISO is not just about resetting the noise, it's about ressetting the distribution of dynamic range stops back to around base levels - as we boost ISO you gain stops in the highlights and loose them in the shadows. Having dual native ISOs restets the spread of highlight and shadow information to closer to 'native'. That's why the noise resets at 4000 but it's not the designated second native, it probably doesn't have as much range in the shadows to be comparative to 800.
Thanks for the comment, with that said, did you notice how the DR reset is happening in 4000, not 5000. there's a weird change happening there. So it seems their 2nd native is 4000 not 5000.
Also their 8K sensor's second native is 4000 as well... so yeah, something to think about
As with most dual ISO cameras the noise resets earlier than the claimed 'base' iso. That's when the camera swaps to the new gain circuit, not when the cameras dynamic range is at it's 'baseline' for what the company considers best for stops distributed under or above middle grey. At ISo 4000 it will have more dynamic range in the shadows and not enough in the highlights to have the spread considered to be the new 'native' level. @@THEDPJOURNEY
If you strip down ronin 4d to bare minimum weight are you able to use on rs4pro for the track function for waypoints on the ronin app? If not why doesn’t ronin 4d have this function and rs4pro does and is there anyway to track for repeatable shots?
best video. graphic super man!
Much appreciated!
Thank you for such an in depth review, it was extremely informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic video as always. So glad you clearly demonstrated the relatively unknown poor noise performance habits of the FX3/A7Siii. I'd love to see you deep dive on the Sony A1's video performance in 8K mode, that camera seems to be under-rated for video performance.
Glad you enjoyed it! You maybe I'll try and work on that. thanks again for your continued support
Thank you for disproving yet another massive Sony myth. Incredible video.
Much appreciated!
Your content is a joy to watch, always, thanks!
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for watching
I always find your content very easy to follow, well done 👍
Really happy to hear that, it’s really hard to simplify such highly technical information
Hello, excelent video. do you have any comparison between bmcc fullframe and a7s3 and sh1? thank you
I’m planning to review the FF BM, so I’ll probably compare it to the FX 3
Man man man,🔥
you shocked me😄
After 3 years thinking about FX3,
and I believe how fx3 was the best of last 2 years for me
Now you really one more time change my mind😄🔥
You can’t believe how your videos keep me watching it that I don’t like to see ending in your videos.😄
Thanks for your time🙏🏼
OMG, thans a lot for such awesome support, it really makes my day and pushes me to do more when i see such awesome support from awesome people like you. Thanks again for watching and for your support
I would say the ISO comparison here should be taken with a GIANT GRAIN OF SALT, given that even if the FX3 at ISO 12800 is a noise score of 65, as you say, practically and scientifically speaking no one increases their ISO to measure the points of noise. We increase the ISO to boost the signal in cases were we can't compensate with additional light. So the most relevant fact here is NOT the 1 point (your scale, not mine) of additional noise, it IS the additional stops of signal light increased by the FX3's additional ISO's that neither the 4D nor the V-Raptor have at all. (Meaning they can't compete at all.) The fact that at ISO 12800 the FX3 has increased my signal for a negligible amount of noise compared to these two camera's only solidifies that the FX3 is better than both these cameras in low light shooting scenarios. I've personally seen very usable footage come out of the FX3 at ISO's well above 12800, which you can't even run that comparison. Further and far less arguable is that because of the physics of the sensors themselves, there isn't currently any technology that allows a 6k and 8k sensor to outperform a 4k sensor in low light without the sensors themselves being much larger than than full frame or maybe even medium format. It just doesn't exist.
WOW - great in-depth testing AND analysis! Thanks for putting so much time and effort into this!
Thank you very much!
Amazing! Very thorough.
I wish there was a video like this for the new Panasonic S5IIX
Thanks for the comment, sorry I don't have the S5 to test it out
Had to revisit this video again because of HOW good it is...
Also needed some more motivation to finally purchase the 4D haha... But honestly man... Incredible work!
One question... I know you talked about this a bit but is it really fair to compare 4k to 6k when it comes to the noise levels? I also wonder how all the tests on the 4D would look like when you do not film in ProRes RAW, since I will not be filming in RAW for the most part.
Thank you so much again for this video! Instant sub.
First of all, thank you so much for the kind words, and for revisiting the video. To answer your questions, yes it is technically unfair to compare 6K against 4K when it comes to noise, but the massive difference I saw between both goes way beyond what I was expecting. Imagine the 4D has a 4K sensor with the same exact performance as the 6k, the noise levels diff would be at most 3% difference, 6k being better of course , but here I saw maybe what could be considered as 20%+ reduction in quality, the FX3 went way beyond the unfair range that you can’t really consider it. Maybe the more fair comparison would be with the FX9, since it’s a 6k sensor. But I can assure you it’s not gonna be much better.
As for not shooting in RAW, that would be even more unfair and hard to quantify, since both cameras have very different kinds of noise reduction algorithms, making the results very unpredictable when comparing different scenes in different lighting, so basically you’ll be comparing how good or bad the noise reduction is, not what the sensor really gives you to work with
Hope that helps
@@THEDPJOURNEY huge thanks once again! You are incredibly good at explaining, thank you very much.
All I can say is Woooooow. What a video!!!!
Thank you so much, glad you liked it
What editing denoise do you use? Phenomenal video! I have a 4D and was thinking about getting an FX3 but I'm thinking about just getting another 4D if I decide to get another camera!
Thanks for your kind comment! Yeah the 4D is by far the best performing sensor I’ve seen so far from all mirrorless. I’ve put the link to the denser in the description by the way
Thanks again
@@THEDPJOURNEY Great to know! I got an FX3 and really love it, there are things I love more about it in comparison to the 4D, so much so I am very split on which one I should get a twin of first!
The comparison shots make stunning, likely unintended, cross-eye stereo pairs.
I’ll take that as a compliment 😂
OMG!!!! The comparison is epic!!! Never heard anyone talk about its sensor. Thank you master
Thanks Maggie, you're awesome
Love your channel! Thank you for all the work you put into these videos.
My pleasure! Thanks for your support
Brilliant test as always!
Thanks, Paul!
is there a possibility for you to do such DR and noise tests for Fujis? thinking here of X-H2s and the new GFX 100 II
Honestly I do t have Fujis and they never reached out. But I would surely consider it if they do
best review of 4D so far
Thank you so much for your hard work Man.
My absolute pleasure pleasure!
You should have a look at the URSA 12K using firmware 7.7 or later. In 12K from ISO !00 to 640, the noise is undetectable. From 800 to 1250, if your light greys are at IRE 40 or above, the noise is also undetectable. It is due to the super fine pixels and the RGBW sensor (very good detail and color density). As a result, the latitude is also insanely good.
On my Pocket 4k the second gain ISO starts at ISO 1250, while the second native ISO is 3200. So that’s ISO 400 and ISO 3200 but the second starts at 1250 so it’s the cleanest at 1250.
At 17:26 the clips shows the native ISO’s having the best highlight and shadow ratios. ISO 4000 is where the second gain starts.
Exactly, that’s my point, I actually had a whole 3 min section talking about this but I removed it to shorten the video. It’s 4000
This was a crazy good video. As an FX3 and Sigma FP owner, I'd love to see how the Ronin stacks up to the FP, as that's another camera that I feel the sensor is vastly underrated on. Great animations and overall quality of content. Keep up the amazing work!
same sensor on both.
It's a great one still.
Keep in mind having the same sensor doesn't mean you'll get the same exact performance, each camera brand tweaks it in their own way, pushing and pulling to their own flavor.
@@DennisSchmitz which cameras you mean same sensor?
He meant FP and Ronin
Wow, didn't know. FP is miles behind ronin, interesting
Awesome test and work ! Thanks you man.
Following since gh5 =)
Thank you so much for the continued support, really appreciate it
Wow. Sherif, this video is so amazing and well-thought-out ! Thank you for debunking myth that a camera with larger pixels (and thus having lower resolution ) means it's good in low - light. I also appreciate how you were so objective throughout this video ( given that most TH-camrs here are Sony fanboys).
Sorry for the bad English, I'm Russian, but I have long come to the conclusion that the dual native iso is not designed to reduce noise, as many bloggers claim, but to be able to re-redistribute the dynamic de-range in shadows and lights.
The problem is that camera brands were marketing it as a second "Clean" ISO setting. I actually had a whole section I deleted from the video to keep it shorter, that explored how the DR also resets slightly at 4000, you can already see it in their DR/ISO chart. So yeah, I know about the second ISO and DR fact, but most people wouldn't understand the correlation unless I explain it first. Thanks again
Had to subscribe after this video! Awesome content and very informative.
Really appreciate it, welcome aboard
Well done! Again doing contents more out of the box! Plus all the motion graphics add even more value to your channel, as they are simple but really nice! Thanks
Thank you so much for the compliment and the kind words, I would really appreciate if you could share it with everyone. Thanks again.
Incredible detailed video!!!!
This IMX410 sensor on Ronin 4D-6K has been used on so many popular full-frame cameras, including the FF mirrorless bestseller Sony a7iii, as well as S1H, S1, S5, S5ii, D780, Z6, Z6ii, Z5, FX9, a7c, fp, SL-2, etc.
How do you know?
Not sure where you got that information from, but I know and own many of these cameras and they perform nothing like this one.
@@THEDPJOURNEY It is not an official statement by DJI but my hypothesis is based on the following facts:
1. Ronin 4D maxes out at 6K48p at 12bit 17:9 mode, which pretty much matches that of IMX410 at 24MP 3:2 open gate at 40p 12bit.
2. Its dynamic range and readout speed is very close to some of the true cinema cameras listed above, like S1H and FX9.
3. DJI started developing Ronin 4D a few years back and it is reasonable to assume they picked the most cost-effective 6K full frame sensor at that time which was IMX410. Had they developed their own sensor, they would've mentioned it with great emphasis, as a sign of sensor manufacturing breakthrough for China. Had there been better options, they would've gone for a faster sensor.
Same question in my head. Sony image sensors are not only popular, but highly acclaimed in the market as well. I am just curious how DJI can defeat Sony so cleanly.
@@frankfeng2701 there are so many renditions of the same sensor, think of it like cars, they're all the same model but with different performance and features. With that said, I guess the best way to really find out about anything is to try it, not to only read specs. Which is why I never take any company's claims for granted, but rather test it myself
This video is incredible! - Please make an online course!
Thank you so much for the awesome compliments
Wow, that was a lot of work to make this video! Fantastic stuff.
Yes it was :)
Thanks for appreciating the effort that went into it. You're awesome
at 0:36 when you show the noise performance between dji roinin 4d and fx3 at 10,000 iso, wouldnt it be more fair to bump to sony fx3 to 12,800 since that is its second base. a lot of the noise should clear up then.
did you watch the whole episode, I believe I addressed that point exactly :)
Great observations and video as always! BUT I think you should emphasize more that this is FX3's RAW performance. In H.264 or HEVC sony does a really good job in getting rid of a lot of noise while still retaining a somewhat sharp image. Not a lot of people shoot only RAW video. It would be interesting if you populated the comparison charts with HEVC and AVC noise performance, so we could see more meaningful comparisons. As always top notch video!
I think he mentioned that his intent was to analyze primarily the sensor itself and the best way to do that is to look at the RAW video output.
I get your point in regards to real world use - but that said there are a lot of us who shoot primarily in RAW in fact I don’t think I have ever used the ProRes built into my REDs or when we rent Alexa’s for a job but that has a lot to do with the types of jobs you take on. Event shooters and short form content creators probably don’t care about RAW as much but folks doing commercials, narrative or the types of VFX jobs.
Having more information about how the raw capabilities stand up is important. I for one was pretty impressed with the 4D in this video and might consider it over the Komodo-X I was planning on adding.
I actually have a LOT of other tests with the H264 comparisons, but I cut that bit out otherwise the episode would've crossed 50 min. but to your point, the reason why I had this whole section there, was to show how the H264 from this camera is MUCH more impressive than the SONY as well. Maybe I'll compile these other findings in part 2
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thanks for the reply! I 'd be interested in this as well!
Please, part 2 !@@THEDPJOURNEY
Magnificent as usual my man! Highlight rolloff shoot-off, the cine-nerd's ultimate wet dream, haha! Quite astonished how bad FX3 compares in lowlight, with such a fugly green tint in even lower ISO... Sony colour science. Interested to know your thoughts on the Kinefinty Mavo MK II...? Big applause, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah I was shocked myself at the kind of results aI got from FX3. As I mentioned, I thought it'll beat the Ronin... but it failed miserably
no, what I saw in your test at 8:49 is that the noise level is much higher in 4D than Fx3
I see what you mean, but that’s probably because of the TH-cam compression, on my screen it looks different
Awesome video as always!
Quick question, though. Have you tested the Ronin 4D vs the Sony FX3 shooting ProRes RAW with an Atomos Ninja V?
I think it’ll be great to do a video comparing those 2 setups.
Keep up the good work!
Hey, thanks for the comment, yes that what I did to record PRRAW from the FX3 correct
Absolutely amazing video cheers
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video,why you didn't put in the comparison the excellent canon c70?
Thanks for watching, yeah I don’t have it actually, also I was focusing on the FF sensors here mainly
Extremely interesting info. Great video, as usual!
Thanks for your support
HEY! Amazing! It's really crazy how much effort you put into your videos! Say which lenses you personally prefer to use for the Ronin 4D?
So far I would use the Sony 1.8s
They’re pretty small and lightweight. Of course putting on heavier lenses makes it a lot harder to handle, and that’s the main issue with this awesome camera.
@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you so much. Last Question.! The Autofocus works fine with the Sony FE 1.8s? I think i will Bus the 35, 50 and 85
*I've been waiting for the Ronan 4D with the 8K sensor. I would like to see this review once again, but with the 8K X9 Sensor head please. There are no reviews out there on TH-cam for the Ronan 4D with the Zenmuse X9 8K sensor head.*
Yeah it was released as I was working on this, I'll try to see if I can do that
@@THEDPJOURNEY OK. Excellent. 👌Thank you.😇
How did you generate those graphics
I have a link in the description for an episode about it
I revisit this as the 4D is almost half off right now. It honestly looks from your testing like the better sensor. But with all the 4D updates, more limited codecs, it’s still a tough call. The versatility of the FX3 is still a pretty easy choice.
For sure, the FX3’s size, more lens compatibility makes it a more versatile choice. But if you care more about image quality, then so far, the 4D is on top of
The ISO vs dynamic range in highlights and shadows is indeed counter-intuitive! Does this apply to other camera sensors as well?
Yup. All cameras have different versions of that. Each sensor should have its own chart. But not all brands share them unfortunately
Great video! And I suppose we can see how fine-tuning a sensor really matters! Because I heard the 4D uses the same "old" IMX410 sensor as the A7M3.
I was just replying to another comment saying the same thing about the IMX410 actually.
There's a whole tech circus the camera brand need to work on around the sensor to pull the flavor they need from it, each camera can tweak it to its liking, push and pull to find what they want to offer to us. Like a raw image... if you give it to 2 different people, they'll give you 2 very different results. SONY came up with A7M3, DJI came up with Ronin 4D
@@THEDPJOURNEY Also there have been various revisions of the IMX410.
The sensor is also used in the FX9 and S5IIx which perform way better than the A73 as well ;)
Wonderful video! However would never shoot outside of 800 or 12800 on Sony. Also I love the tech comparison… it’s the one we’ve been missing. To me it’s most about the lenses and I haven’t seen an image from this camera that I really loved and it’s now apparent it HAS to be due to the glass. That’s the deal breaker. The best sensor in the world can’t make those horrible lenses look great…. You’d have to have a whole team of teams in post work like on Garland’s Civil War.
Amazing video man! Quick question: Did DJI tell you there was a Ronin 4D MK ii on the way? I'd love to purchase one, if so!
Thanks for the comment, such informations can never be disclosed unfortunately due to NDAs I sign before dealing with them
So I cannot confirm or deny that fact
@@THEDPJOURNEY No worries :) Thanks for the quick reply! I just wanted to see if I should buy this one or wait another few months.
Wow! Great test! Thanks
Cheers, thanks for watching and please share if you can
One thing about the useable dynamic stops - The way I think about it is that once you have e.g. a split of let's say +3 and -9 from correct exposure at native ISO by underexposing to -3 you just can make use of +6 and -6 by that and therefore the ISO with the maximum range is the best to use (if you "intelligently" underexpose/overexpose). What's the fault in my thoughts there? Thanks!
You are absolutely right, it all depends on what you give the camera and it’s all relative which one is it will consider as highlights and which ones are shadows, but keep in mind your limitation in what you give. The camera in terms of exposure would hit a wall of the shorter angle and the lens Iris setting, and this is when the importance of the dynamic range distribution comes to play. Let’s see in the dark setting you open up the IRIS as wide as possible, but you can’t get the image to be properly exposed, that’s when the dynamic range in the shadows will be useful
Thanks, Very helpful✌....
Looks like Prores Raw has the best low light performance, but it also looks like H.264 requires internal noise reduction like most mirrorless cameras.
The second native ISO is only slightly higher than the first native ISO with PRR max PR4444.
Your video quality is THE top among all youtubers 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you so much 😀
Once again, an awesome compliment from an awesome person
Hope you can have a test for coming 8k version Ronin 4D
Maybe I will
Excellent breakdown. Fully agreed on suggestion to DJI for the 3 part modular Mark II
I really wish they do that in the next generation, thanks for watching
@@THEDPJOURNEY My pleasure. Your videos are fire. Just watched and learned a lot from your 3 ways to shoot with 1 light video. I'd love to see more artistic breakdowns for cinematic lighting on a budget. I'd also pay for that in a Patreon
Really happy to hear that, I still have part two of that video actually in the works. Just got a find some time to finish it.
@@THEDPJOURNEY Looking forward to watching.