I suspect that Daytona USA 2 is based on the Scud Race engine. Of course I have no proof but they share the same mirror mode trick, both used palletized textures in a similar manner (e.g., blinking traffic lights), both use micro-texturing to give the road surface additional texture detail (in Scud Race, this generates the sharp, clean streaks on the road surface) and given that they were two flagship titles developed within just two years of each other on the same hardware, why wouldn't they? If I had unlimited time, I would love to try de-compiling these games (as was done with Super Mario 64) to reconstruct C++ source code so that latency-tolerant net play and maybe even track and car customization could be added to both games. Or maybe someone else can take up this project :) Both games were definitely written in C and/or C++ and the machine code retains a lot of that structure. Should be very doable! One could even simply translate the CPU code and leave the audio and video boards emulated.
Ah, I remember playing the vanilla Super GT at my mall's Tilt arcade, and emulating the Plus version on Supermodel back in 2012 when I had my cheap ASUS family PC. Everyone who was playing cards behind me would LOL at me playing as the cat in the Super Beginner course! Although the drifting physics take some getting used to, you have to respect Scud Race/Super GT for its amazing visuals at the time of its release. Now I got my Xbox 360 Wireless Speed Wheel and Logitech Driving Force Pro to enjoy this with. :)
I remember a Tilt arcade at Deerbrook Mall but I don't remember what games we're there since I was too small. The latest I seen there was a tekken 5 machine that had ps2 controllers plugged to it
I love the Saturn but is impossible to run this kind of polygons on this console even in a dream. Maybe the Dreamcast could get this job done... Or the Mega Drive.😋
The camera is very jerky or "snappy" which is quite off-putting. What causes this? Is it the emulation? Or the controller being used? Does the real arcade also do this?
I never had the opportunity to try the real arcade cabinet myself, but it seems to me that it's mainly just from using a joystick on a regular Xbox One controller. It's just not really possible to get the same smooth movement as using a steering wheel. This is a fairly good quality video on real hardware for comparison. th-cam.com/video/EGUdZB1PoLE/w-d-xo.html
@@arronmunroe Very interesting, thanks for that link. I looked at some footage I recorded last year of Virtua Racing on an emulator and lo and behold it has that same kind of camera oddity, likely due to the controller I was using. Weirdly it seems to affect the 2nd two tracks the most and not so much the first one.
Definitely a good 3 to 4 years ahead of its time in terms of graphics. Most mass released console and PC racing games didn't start to get comparably good looking until 2000 or so I'd say. The car model polygon count and exterior details look similar to what was in Test Drive Le Mans from years later. Wish this had come to Dreamcast, the only reason I can think it didn't was because they decided it was too similar to Daytona and Daytona would have better brand recognition amongst buyers so they just focused on the remastered release of that but still, they should have put it out there.
i used to play this at times square in new york city at the arcade called INXS, playland never got it in the 90s. i think it was $2.50 per play but it did have 4 of those huge screens (projection to boot) linked up.
No Wait! I've spend loads of session playing this with my mates at the Arcades back in the day, but I definitely don't remember all those Toy Story style beginner stages with the cat chasing you around the house?! Were those unshockable or later revision of the Arcade Model 3 board?!
@@arronmunroe OK, I didn't even know a Plus version existed. I see they also added various other crazy vehicles and even a racing mewing cat in the regular stages as well! :D LoL! I'll definitely have to replay this on an emulator some time when I have some time!
Just so there is no misunderstanding, the new stage is actually the only stage in the game where you are supposed to be able to use any special racers, including the cat. There were cheats used to play as them on the other stages, which is why the graphics were messed up there.
Juegaso de coches de carreras de sega yo jugaba mucho a este juego en las recreativas scout racer que recuerdos me entra ver de nuevo este juego que n7nca salio para ninguna consola se quedó en recreativa
Smooth moves. How do you have your controls set up for this game? I'm playing around with the Supermodel3 emulator right now and I can't seem to find any settings that feel quite right. On default settings, the steering is way too sensitive, but if I crank up the saturation, then I lose the ability to turn to either the full left or right.
I actually didn't adjust anything related to steering sensitivity. It's just that the joystick on the official Xbox One controller is very good for moving the stick very slightly. That said, I still found this very difficult to play, and it was definitely a lot harder than Daytona 1 or 2.
@@arronmunroe Thanks for the quick reply. I've been trying to get into this game since it was the one Sega racer from this era that I never really dug into that deep before.
I should also mention that the download section on the Supermodel website is really out of date. The newest version is Supermodel SVN r783, which shouldn't be too hard to find with google.
Dude... You really need to turn down the SFX on the Supermodel games. Every one of them is drowned out by the SFX with music you can barely even hear. Otherwise, very nice gameplay!
You can't specifically turn down the sound effects in this game, but there is the option for -balance=-50, which I used for Daytona 2 Power Edition. I'm not completely sure why I didn't use that option for this one.
@@arronmunroe It's all good, man! It's not like I'm not gonna watch your content now because of it or anything. Just a suggestion for the future. Keep the awesome content coming! I'm a subscriber. ^.=.^
@@ShinobiShowdown I'm not sure what happened before, but I would suggest trying the latest version of the emulator. There is a video on TH-cam called "SEGA MODEL 3 emulator / SuperModel guide / Playing Daytona USA 2" which may help you get it set up. It's not for this game specifically, but the idea is still the same.
To everyone reading this comment, which American version of these arcade games do you think will be emulated in M.A.M.E. 0.217 and why? Battle Circuit Capcom Sports Club Chase Bombers Cleopatra Fortune Dance Dance Revolution 2nd Mix Dance Dance Revolution 3rd Mix Dance Dance Revolution 4th Mix Dance Dance Revolution 5th Mix Dance Dance Revolution 6th Mix Dance Dance Revolution 7th Mix Dance Dance Revolution 8th Mix Dangerous Curves Dark Edge Dirt Devils Dirt Fox Dragoon Might F-1 Super Lap Gekirindan Jurassic Park Konami's Open Golf Championship Land Maker Landing Gear Last Survivor Midnight Run: Road Fighter 2 Namco System 22 Games Operation Tiger Psychic Force Puchi Carat Rail Chase Red Earth Ring Of Destruction: Slammasters II Sagaia Side By Side Simpsons Super Dead Heat Syvalion None of the above. All of the above.
@@g.j.1033 I don't usually pay much attention to when clones of games that are already playable get dumped. They can be useful when a game isn't already in English, though.
arronmunroe I understand. I also am asking everyone else but it seems nobody else is noticing this comment so can you let everyone else know about this comment please?
I don't think MAME is the greatest when it comes to Model 3 games. I use the emulator Supermodel for those, although I'm not so sure you could easily use that with a Steam Deck.
phisycs seems awful even for an arcade game ... The car just rotate around it's "central pin" and skid over the track...it's really bad graphic is good though
My fav arcade racer next to ridge Racer type 4 ever. It's simply mind blowing how good this is. And even today 2022 its still looks the business. SEGA at its peak. Bravo.
I would be happy if this is Daytona USA at home. I personally love this game 1st, Daytona 2 2nd, and Daytona 1 3rd. Still play all of them from time to time in emulators.
For mirror, hold the start button as you select a track. For the special vehicles, hold the start button as you select a vehicle, and this is different depending on what vehicle you select. Keep in mind this only works on the super beginner track. If you want to use the special vehicles on other tracks like I did, it gets a little more complicated and involves using a program such as Cheat Engine.
The year this came out I was still sitting at home playing stunt race Fx on my super nes. Let's just say it was quite a Shock when I went to the arcade and saw this game and Daytona USA. I remember having an uneasy queasy feeling like sea sickness, But I just chalked it up to being excited playing a new game that looked so good, but looking back now I know it was from the high frame rate compared to the choppy super FX games I played at home.
Am I really drifting like on the real thing? Never got to play it before, so I wouldn't know. Anyways, I just mapped the controls normally, so nothing unusual there.
I think you should brake then steer a lot to the side you want to drift for automatic, whereas shift your gear down and turn the wheel hard for manual,this is sort of what it is,i've played Daytona USA 2 before so it might be the same
I only know what it's like to play them with a gamepad, but I find this game to be way more difficult to control than Daytona 2. I find it very easy to slip out on many turns from turning the "wheel" too far, or I lose too much speed from braking too hard.
The graphics for that time were truly something else. Still look pretty good today!
You do know this is not what it looked like right? This resolution is way higher than it had.
This is the kind of creativity that games have been shunning for years
Ok boomer
I suspect that Daytona USA 2 is based on the Scud Race engine. Of course I have no proof but they share the same mirror mode trick, both used palletized textures in a similar manner (e.g., blinking traffic lights), both use micro-texturing to give the road surface additional texture detail (in Scud Race, this generates the sharp, clean streaks on the road surface) and given that they were two flagship titles developed within just two years of each other on the same hardware, why wouldn't they? If I had unlimited time, I would love to try de-compiling these games (as was done with Super Mario 64) to reconstruct C++ source code so that latency-tolerant net play and maybe even track and car customization could be added to both games. Or maybe someone else can take up this project :) Both games were definitely written in C and/or C++ and the machine code retains a lot of that structure. Should be very doable! One could even simply translate the CPU code and leave the audio and video boards emulated.
Both are sega model 3
It also has the same HUD such as rotating map, the tachometer, traffic condition, lap and time limit.
Make sense, both are Sega Model Game 3 arcade racing games produced by Nagoshi.
Ah, I remember playing the vanilla Super GT at my mall's Tilt arcade, and emulating the Plus version on Supermodel back in 2012 when I had my cheap ASUS family PC. Everyone who was playing cards behind me would LOL at me playing as the cat in the Super Beginner course! Although the drifting physics take some getting used to, you have to respect Scud Race/Super GT for its amazing visuals at the time of its release.
Now I got my Xbox 360 Wireless Speed Wheel and Logitech Driving Force Pro to enjoy this with. :)
I remember a Tilt arcade at Deerbrook Mall but I don't remember what games we're there since I was too small. The latest I seen there was a tekken 5 machine that had ps2 controllers plugged to it
That medium final drift and overtake was sick!
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Truly bleeding-edge for 1996. Wish it had gotten a Dreamcast port.
Or a Saturn port, even...
I love the Saturn but is impossible to run this kind of polygons on this console even in a dream. Maybe the Dreamcast could get this job done... Or the Mega Drive.😋
@@andrecastro1980 Never underestimate the *power* of blast processing!!!!
@@chemergencyUh... That was the Sega Genesis.
@@PhilipMarcYT Mega Drive is Sega Genesis.
I like how the bus has picture of what I would assume are the developers on it XD
Yeah it is
Where
@@squidiskool 0:31 if you pause it right after it's hit and turns a bit, you can see the pictures in the windows.
The camera is very jerky or "snappy" which is quite off-putting. What causes this? Is it the emulation? Or the controller being used? Does the real arcade also do this?
I never had the opportunity to try the real arcade cabinet myself, but it seems to me that it's mainly just from using a joystick on a regular Xbox One controller. It's just not really possible to get the same smooth movement as using a steering wheel. This is a fairly good quality video on real hardware for comparison. th-cam.com/video/EGUdZB1PoLE/w-d-xo.html
@@arronmunroe Very interesting, thanks for that link. I looked at some footage I recorded last year of Virtua Racing on an emulator and lo and behold it has that same kind of camera oddity, likely due to the controller I was using. Weirdly it seems to affect the 2nd two tracks the most and not so much the first one.
Definitely a good 3 to 4 years ahead of its time in terms of graphics. Most mass released console and PC racing games didn't start to get comparably good looking until 2000 or so I'd say. The car model polygon count and exterior details look similar to what was in Test Drive Le Mans from years later. Wish this had come to Dreamcast, the only reason I can think it didn't was because they decided it was too similar to Daytona and Daytona would have better brand recognition amongst buyers so they just focused on the remastered release of that but still, they should have put it out there.
still looks good in 2021!
This game was extremely popular in Chinatown Fair arcade in NYC. It was played every day and high score runs were a thing for years.
I cant believe this game came out in 1996!
No kidding! Super Mario 64 came out the same year, yet the graphics in this game are more like Wii quality!
SCUD Race was way ahead of it's time.
2:24 CONGRATULATIONS!
5:48 CONGRATULATIONS!
Scud Race was also produced by Nagoshi Toshihiro, the same producer of Daytona USA, possibly he watched the BPR or BTT races in Europe.
Sega was doing 1,000,000 polys a sec in 1996- they were too ahead of their time-
Crazy Lockheed Martin flight simulator hardware.
That's what happens when you hire a defence contractor to design your hardware, son :)
i used to play this at times square in new york city at the arcade called INXS, playland never got it in the 90s. i think it was $2.50 per play but it did have 4 of those huge screens (projection to boot) linked up.
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I played this game on the arcade today, very fun on manual mode
Beginner Day: Oceania
Beginner Night: Asia
Medium: America
Expert: Europe
Parfaite émulation 😀 extraordinaire 😲
Merci pour la vidéo 👍
12:45 That's a fancy touge
Great upload, I love this game.
Model 3 board was so ahead of it's time. It still looks silky smooth by today's standards.
When ever I play this arcade game, I only pick the McLaren F1 cause it has high speed, and awesome. 10/10
I miss going to play this game in the arcades when there was no pandemic :(
Still looks good in 2022
No Wait! I've spend loads of session playing this with my mates at the Arcades back in the day, but I definitely don't remember all those Toy Story style beginner stages with the cat chasing you around the house?! Were those unshockable or later revision of the Arcade Model 3 board?!
That stage is only in the plus version of this game.
@@arronmunroe OK, I didn't even know a Plus version existed. I see they also added various other crazy vehicles and even a racing mewing cat in the regular stages as well! :D LoL! I'll definitely have to replay this on an emulator some time when I have some time!
Just so there is no misunderstanding, the new stage is actually the only stage in the game where you are supposed to be able to use any special racers, including the cat. There were cheats used to play as them on the other stages, which is why the graphics were messed up there.
@@arronmunroe OK, thanks for clarifying that. I thought the graphics were messed up with the cat because of emulation issues.
I loved this game so much, it brings it to chuck E cheese and great canadian midway.
Dude... the handling on the cat killed me
what a wonderful showcase. Will you play Le Mans 24h?
I have barely played it so far, but it was something I planned on doing sooner or later.
Finished with that one finally. Video will be up fairly soon.
I uploaded a video of it.
@@arronmunroe Coolio
Juegaso de coches de carreras de sega yo jugaba mucho a este juego en las recreativas scout racer que recuerdos me entra ver de nuevo este juego que n7nca salio para ninguna consola se quedó en recreativa
Smooth moves. How do you have your controls set up for this game? I'm playing around with the Supermodel3 emulator right now and I can't seem to find any settings that feel quite right. On default settings, the steering is way too sensitive, but if I crank up the saturation, then I lose the ability to turn to either the full left or right.
I actually didn't adjust anything related to steering sensitivity. It's just that the joystick on the official Xbox One controller is very good for moving the stick very slightly. That said, I still found this very difficult to play, and it was definitely a lot harder than Daytona 1 or 2.
@@arronmunroe Thanks for the quick reply. I've been trying to get into this game since it was the one Sega racer from this era that I never really dug into that deep before.
Anyone from MINA MALL Abu Dhabi having nostalgia 💖😭
Where did you download these arcade games tho, if I may know?
I don't give rom links, but you can find it if you look for scud.zip and scudplus.zip.
scud race arcade machine is rare back then, at my country daytona usa are most common machine
This is the Outrun 2006 prototype.
i love segas Arcade racers
What emulator did you use?
Supermodel
Thanks, been trying to play this and Outrun forever!
I should also mention that the download section on the Supermodel website is really out of date. The newest version is Supermodel SVN r783, which shouldn't be too hard to find with google.
arronmunroe Ah, I see, thanks for telling me that. I’ll go check it out.
Super Beginner? If you can't beat that level of patronising... xD
how do i play as the extra cars like the toy tank and the bus
in scud race plus at the super beginner course hold start while choosing a car.
Why can't I buy this game?!?!
Very good, you have link to download?
I don't give rom links, but you can find it if you look for scud.zip and scudplus.zip.
I suspect that Daytona USA 1 is based on the Scud Race engine.
Dude... You really need to turn down the SFX on the Supermodel games. Every one of them is drowned out by the SFX with music you can barely even hear.
Otherwise, very nice gameplay!
You can't specifically turn down the sound effects in this game, but there is the option for -balance=-50, which I used for Daytona 2 Power Edition. I'm not completely sure why I didn't use that option for this one.
@@arronmunroe It's all good, man! It's not like I'm not gonna watch your content now because of it or anything. Just a suggestion for the future. Keep the awesome content coming! I'm a subscriber. ^.=.^
Scud race is the same as super Sega GT but with a different name
*Eurobeat intensifies*
it Daytona UI and graphic. but with different track and cars
I can see some sonic art in game
What do you run this on an EMU on a PC?
This can be played on PC with the emulator called Supermodel.
@@arronmunroe Thanks! I think I had that at one point but did not get it working. I am a huge fan of SM2 and SM3!
@@ShinobiShowdown I'm not sure what happened before, but I would suggest trying the latest version of the emulator. There is a video on TH-cam called "SEGA MODEL 3 emulator / SuperModel guide / Playing Daytona USA 2" which may help you get it set up. It's not for this game specifically, but the idea is still the same.
My favorite.
Oh wow- Never knew a cat was running after a mouse- damn all done so smooth.... SEGA WHY DID YOU FCK UPPPPPPPPPP😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣
To everyone reading this comment, which American version of these arcade games do you think will be emulated in M.A.M.E. 0.217 and why?
Battle Circuit
Capcom Sports Club
Chase Bombers
Cleopatra Fortune
Dance Dance Revolution 2nd Mix
Dance Dance Revolution 3rd Mix
Dance Dance Revolution 4th Mix
Dance Dance Revolution 5th Mix
Dance Dance Revolution 6th Mix
Dance Dance Revolution 7th Mix
Dance Dance Revolution 8th Mix
Dangerous Curves
Dark Edge
Dirt Devils
Dirt Fox
Dragoon Might
F-1 Super Lap
Gekirindan
Jurassic Park
Konami's Open Golf Championship
Land Maker
Landing Gear
Last Survivor
Midnight Run: Road Fighter 2
Namco System 22 Games
Operation Tiger
Psychic Force
Puchi Carat
Rail Chase
Red Earth
Ring Of Destruction: Slammasters II
Sagaia
Side By Side
Simpsons
Super Dead Heat
Syvalion
None of the above.
All of the above.
I can't really speculate on which US versions might be in the next version of MAME.
@@arronmunroe Why?
@@g.j.1033 I don't usually pay much attention to when clones of games that are already playable get dumped. They can be useful when a game isn't already in English, though.
arronmunroe I understand. I also am asking everyone else but it seems nobody else is noticing this comment so can you let everyone else know about this comment please?
@@g.j.1033 I pinned it, but only temporarily, since the comment isn't really related to this game.
This is Daytona USA meets de_rats
Hi, visiting your channel to watch the new video and already like me! 😽
So, you like yourself? Or what are you saying??
@@thomaselers7416 my english isn't good😂😂😂 like the video ☺️
@@IsabelaGamegirl Oh ok. 😁👍
@@thomaselers7416 😆
レース時のGUIがデイトナとクリソツや・・・。
Ma, I witnessed a cat running at 170mph here... is it even legal? :3
Well, the cars are tiny.
I wish you can play this on the android
F A T
Sup?
Not much
@@arronmunroe ok
@@arronmunroe how's your day?
Not bad
@@arronmunroe cool
I'd like to see the cockpit perspective.
Trying to get this game to work on the Steam Deck with Mame. I got a few games working with Mame so far.
I don't think MAME is the greatest when it comes to Model 3 games. I use the emulator Supermodel for those, although I'm not so sure you could easily use that with a Steam Deck.
@@arronmunroe Thanks.
phisycs seems awful even for an arcade game
...
The car just rotate around it's "central pin" and skid over the track...it's really bad
graphic is good though
It's the same as in Daytona. Don't expect Ridge Racer where your car is glued to the tracks. 🤣
Era 1996 y es mejor que muchos juegos actuales
Has the slow speed attract mode been fixed?
If you're referring to the opening FMV, it's still messed up.
Correction: The FMV was fixed in SVN r779. I was using SVN r777 for this.
I never seen the "Super Beginner" course in any arcade cabinet I played since that time. Thank you.
It’s only available on “Scud Race Plus” which was only officially released in Japan, but you can set the game region to Export(International) or USA.
12:42 NICE!
@Westley Kristian Boooo! Screw off bots!
For a game from 1996, it had much deeper cutting edge in terms of graphics.
That feeling of the rolling start in Beginner and groovin daylight started blasting in the speakers right next to your head… just perfect
Your engine temperature is rising.
Tires are ready
The speed of which that cat is running is the exact speed my cat runs to my house when I crinkle anything that isn't remotely edible.
12:48 Holy shit
I love arcade games because they are perfectly fast!
My fav arcade racer next to ridge Racer type 4 ever. It's simply mind blowing how good this is. And even today 2022 its still looks the business.
SEGA at its peak. Bravo.
12:47 WOAH!! He barely even made to first place! WHAT!?
Amazing work by both Yu Suzuki supervising and producing and Toshihiro Nagoshi directing
I guess that first track was to show off the model 3 power
Me: Mom, can I have Daytona USA?
Mom: We have Daytona USA at home.
Daytona USA at home:
At least it is better
Technically there was Daytona USA on XBLA, for home
I would be happy if this is Daytona USA at home. I personally love this game 1st, Daytona 2 2nd, and Daytona 1 3rd. Still play all of them from time to time in emulators.
30:54 a perfect face for a perfect cat
27:40 I loved this game because of the legendary cat
Nice video, I love this game! HOw do you select the mirror tracks and the other cars? Thx
For mirror, hold the start button as you select a track. For the special vehicles, hold the start button as you select a vehicle, and this is different depending on what vehicle you select. Keep in mind this only works on the super beginner track. If you want to use the special vehicles on other tracks like I did, it gets a little more complicated and involves using a program such as Cheat Engine.
@@arronmunroe Thanks!
@@arronmunroe which also if you select a special car in any other course it will apply the wrong textures to its model
que maravilla de juego algo fuera de época en el momento de su lanzamiento a las árcade
Absolutely perfect game
What does the 'retire' (at the top right of the screen) mean? Does it mean "car(s) which stop(s) competing during the race, because of damage"?
I believe so, since I have seen the number go up shortly after crashing into a car. Check at 4:00.
You can see that the car got flew off the screen.
Great, try the Endurance version as that option.
The year this came out I was still sitting at home playing stunt race Fx on my super nes. Let's just say it was quite a Shock when I went to the arcade and saw this game and Daytona USA. I remember having an uneasy queasy feeling like sea sickness, But I just chalked it up to being excited playing a new game that looked so good, but looking back now I know it was from the high frame rate compared to the choppy super FX games I played at home.
インド人を右に！
I never played this game wow it looks unreal for a game thats 27 years old wow graphics hold up today
Wish they would port this to PS5 and Series X
Is this game ACTUALLY as good as I remember it to be?
17:50
*SEATBELTS EVERYONE!!!*
Console release?
This one never made it to console.
@@arronmunroe we really need more 3D arcade games released on consoles
How do you drift like in real arcade cabinet?.
Am I really drifting like on the real thing? Never got to play it before, so I wouldn't know. Anyways, I just mapped the controls normally, so nothing unusual there.
I think you should brake then steer a lot to the side you want to drift for automatic, whereas shift your gear down and turn the wheel hard for manual,this is sort of what it is,i've played Daytona USA 2 before so it might be the same
I only know what it's like to play them with a gamepad, but I find this game to be way more difficult to control than Daytona 2. I find it very easy to slip out on many turns from turning the "wheel" too far, or I lose too much speed from braking too hard.
@@arronmunroe Yeah that happens a lot,try playing with keyboard,I did,not a good experience :)
@@denverkweh1642 I already can't play games with a keyboard. I can't imagine how terrible it would be for this game.
Nice driving!