Em’s skill is being a genius with complication. Wayne’s skill is being a genius with simplicity. Personally i feel like they are both GOATs in their own lane and this is just an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object
I'm huge Eminem fan but Wayne won this one but Eminem won in their other songs also Eminem won when collaped with Jay z. for me all three of them are goats new gen is good but its all about money and making hits. Compared to these 3 who where creating rap we have today is joke
Something to mention, Ems bars connect from themes and transitions. The fire, sparks, ignite, hot metal, roasting, Marsh (Marshall) is not mellow , all connected to heat. A lot of people say just like yall he spitting fast, but it always connects to a previous bar and sets up the next, while keeping cadence and flow, and giving a whole verse that's a bar lol. But Wayne got metaphors for years, most his bars are simple but deep. Ems usually require a bit more analysis
Em and Wayne are Yin and Yang. Wayne's genius is bars in simplicity capped with clever analogies, whereas Em's genius is complicated schemes and wordplay, littered with double and triple entendres. It all comes down to preference, but also, I think it's why they compliment each other so well. It's all in the way they balance each other out. They're both master's of their own styles. But I'd listen to them together any day...
@@victorgrandpre5869 Em spits fire so Lil Wayne needs to have brought his A-game for this collab. Em's verse also has a lot of associations to fire, heat, etc. The top comment goes more in depth about this. - My unprofessional opinion
@@Twiztedpenguin I don't know if you're right about that. You might be, but I'm just guessing. I thought, because Em is the "fire marshall". If im wrong, it still is good tho!
I don’t care who won, I just appreciate these two legends made this amazing song. Bars and flow are through the roof. I miss the old Wayne, Carter 3 my favorite album
This song actually helped me through my recovery! Kept me going, helped me stay clean. When all the doubters where throwing hate my way. This song saved my life kept me strong🙏
One of the main reasons Waynes bars hit so hard was because of his speed, he was basically spoon feeding us. We saw it coming and every bar hit. Also there was double entendres in probably every bar. Ems flow makes his verse even harder. Ems verse was also alot more personal and to the theme of the song
@@blakan1478 true but em don’t like doing that all the time he said himself in an interview he likes to change it up depending on what he’s in the mood for .. sometimes he makes them easy sometimes he likes to do the corny shit on purpose and other times he likes to just go over peoples Heads
@@blakan1478 you can’t speak for every artist. Every artist is different, some like having Easter eggs that only their core fans can catch and some like being abstract to where it takes several listens to understand the overall message/meaning. Some like being simple and easy to understand. There’s no right way to do it. If that were the case then in art abstract artists would be “wrong” because they do their art form in a way that’s extremely complex and left up for interpretation for the viewer.
Agreed, people just appreciate more the features, if we keep comparing the artist then some people may feel intimidated and we could miss another masterpiece like this one or drop the world.
I remember the feeling I got when I first heard it and I still get the same feeling up to this day. The song makes you feel like you can conquer anything.
This was really Important song for Eminem Becouse He almost died beforw this song . he did this after Rehab . That s why he start his verse . " Im alive again more alive
@@gotredboxes Wtf Im Stan from Begining I remember this time , . Sources ? xd. He took drugs and he collapse in the bathroom. Eminem Did interview about this
Em got crazy flow and energy ⚡ and some bars too. I feel like everything Wayne said is a bar from start to finish. That's how I felt years ago and I still feel it.
You know what it is? Em's part leaves you in admiration for the artistry and skill, and you feel the awe in your head. But when Wayne's bars hit you feel them in your core and they kinda pull on your stomach and make you do the stank face
Ok instead of saying Wayne rewrote let’s say he re recorded which is what he does sometimes so people can stop saying Wayne don’t write it’s like ok you know what we mean re wrote/ re record, we trying to say the same thing lol
@@revertedrf978 everyone writes my guy, they just don't show up with pad and pen to the studio, if you dont write and memorize, then every retake verse would be different
Wayne's verse paints such a vivid picture to the listener with excellent story-telling, plus he has nice bars. Em has more elevated word-play and also has more fun with the flow. So ultimately it's going to come down to what mood you're in. I feel as though, Em used to do more story-telling earlier on in his career, but as he got older, he began playing with form more. Personally, I enjoy Wayne's stuff more when I want to "feel" something, and I look up Em's stuff when I want to really mentally dissect something clever and appreciate world-play.
Lil Wayne did his thing here, some of his best punchlines, his best metaphors and hardest verses are present. After that he takes a step back and supports Em with adlibs, Marshal simply does what you expect him to do and eat the whole fuccin rest of the song. What do you expect, Wheezy does his best around the best.
"When im not even in my harshest you can still get roasted cause marsh is not mellow" is just pure genius. The lyrics in itself, the delivery, its just all around great like the entire verse
Because Em kinda forces featuring artists to dig deep and bring their best when collaborating on a record, you end up with situations like this where Wayne, who you already love, spits a verse that goes above and beyond what you typically hear from him, making what is already an "A" rapper deliver an "A+" performance. But, on the other hand, because Eminem gives you an "A+" verse *EVERY SINGLE TIME* there's really no way to make the listener hear his verse as something truly special or unique... In effect, this leaves you feeling that Em did what Em does, whereas Weezy, on the other hand, did something extra-ordinary. In a way, it's like Eminem is so good, on such a consistent basis, that it actually works against him...if that makes any sense...(?)
Yup just like that song he just did with snoop it brought out the best in snoop because he knows he has to maintain his reputation instead of getting smoked by em in the same song meanwhile em brought it yet again. You hit the nail on the head
Trying to compare these two artists is a fool's errand, though... It's like handing someone a copy of a universally acclaimed novel that is seen as a work of literary genius...then sending them a hilarious meme with two lines of text that almost everyone can relate to...and then telling them to decide which is the better author and/or piece of writing. Lol
These are 2 EXTREMELY talented men who are the best at their style of creating music. The fact that they can put their styles together in this way just shows how versatile they are!!
Wayne's bars are simplicity and Em's bars are complexity. Perhaps this is what makes them one of the greatest collaborations in hip-hop along with Redman and Method-Man
It's obvious you don't know rap... Wayne verse is far from simple... Wayne say things in a thousand years you won't ever think about...em can rap fast but few metaphors
Eminem took this without question and Wayne went crazy! Em spit the bars, did the flow, kept the whole thing coming together... On Top Of My Game! Wrong choice on this one guys!
It’s not a wrong choice it’s their opinion lol I see what ur saying but still they prefer Wayne nothing wrong with that it’s a close match up, at least they appreciate both verses
I dig these videos, I like hearing these songs with the lyrics running and pausing to discuss the verse(all of Ems bars need a bit to digest and unpack) because not only is the flow insane but his words say way more than face value.
For those who don’t know, when em was talking about ye he was talking about the verse on “Forever”. Ye said in an interview that he went back to the studio for 2 days to rewrite his verse after hearing ems verse.
Although what you said might be true, but it's incorrect, in this particular instance, he is referring to Kanye snatching the mic from Taylor Swift at the VMAs: "snatch the mic from them, get these cocksuckers off stage, where the fuck is Kanye when you need him?"
On the forever lil Wayne and Kanye redid there Verses after they heard Eminem They all had good verses if they would’ve been in any song, everybody would appreciated their verses, but nobody talks Eminems shit he talked shit about all of them on the song And they went back and redid their verses, and didn’t even try to clap back they just try to make their first versus better than they were
The fact you have to replay Ems part again and again to catch everything decides it for me. It's not just rapping fast. He puts way more into his verses than most. I'm a thinker so his bars speak to me more. I understand others don't think that hard. To each their own.
This right here is why Em is one of the best. He has layers and layers...everytime you listen you catch something new. Most rappers have surface level bars maybe doubles, but Em has triple and quads
@@nairkeith I won't lie, I'm a stan, and I'll give my respect to Wayne, I listen to Eminem playlists every day, and to this day, I still hear bars in songs I've heard hundreds of times that I've never heard in that song before. And then I'm like 🤯 that bar hits even deeper than I thought it did
Lol every bar Wayne spot was a double/triple entendre. You can be the smartest in the room and listen to it 10 times over and still wouldn’t catch everything. AND he rapped slow so casuals could catch up.
@@Inwhyseeb No hate. But if you stop comparing them, you'll see the beauty of both their lyrics n flow. If Wayne didn't rate Ems verse you think he would let Em feature. Think about it. Peace.
I’m just glad we got a feature of two grates, two Titans in the game! Im glad you guys had such a hard time going back and forth trying to figure out who came out on top bc you guys listen to the words and flows and delivery compared to all the songs that are out now in day. Grate song !!
A monopoly in rap is, being alone at the top. But also standing on his monopoly board. Being on top of the game. The marsh mellow bar was more fire aswell, next to that you guys caught alot
and standing on his monopoly, bored. That ties back in to the later bars when it aint even cool to sound cocky anymore and all the way back to the first line about peoples rats perking up when he begins to smash with the pen. It is like if you play Madden and never take it off rookie. You are wining 86-0 every game and it get's boring and it isn't even cool to talk shit or brag about anymore because you don't have any challenge or competition
Facts 100. I caught more bars in ‘Em song then those guys did because you have to also listen to the way he triple and double entendre into a bar or bars follow up by a bar.
You definitely need to listen to more Wayne. This was nothing… Also, Em’s bars weren’t that complex, he just had larger rhyme schemes. Wayne’s punchlines were more unique. Best bar, in my opinion, was: “All about my dough, but I don’t even check the peephole / So you can keep knocking but won’t knock me down” Dough = money, but sounds like “do’,” which is slang for “door,” and is a homophone. “Peephole” sounds like “people,” which is another homophone. Then he ties that in with the “so you can keep knocking, but won’t knock me down.” By the way, Eminem started using homophones heavily since 2015, and it’s Em’s most used literary device and has been since. Listen to Em’s last 3 albums, and you’ll find them literally EVERYWHERE. Edit: Oh, and I forgot. Little Richard has a song called “Keep-a-Knockin’,” a song about a a lover who he won’t let back in because of bad behavior. So the bar is a metaphor for how Hip-Hop has treated him. And “peephole,” which sounds like “people,” may be Wayne saying he’s all about the Benjamin’s and doesn’t care who he does business with.
It's not about who is better, it's about two MC's bringing the best out of each other. Giving us an instant classic and the real winners would be us the fans!
I love WAYNES verses BUT to me THIS WAS ONE OF EM"S best verses of career, he pretty much told WAYNE in song go home and re write it, like wayne's schems but not that complex . Both killed it, but I give it to EM for sure
Weezy F Baby don't write foo so the F is for Fuck you. If this Ems best verse against Lean sipping Weezys 8/10 But not his best verse, then I guess Wayne the Goat by your own logic lmao
This song is really a showcase of bars vs cadence/flow..I used to think Wayne had this one until you really start to appreciate flow ..Em's flow is an added instrument to the song..Its amazing🔥 only an elite few can do that
The fact is that both artists are GOATS. I will never compare the two because they both bring something different and unique to rap. The thing I am thankful for, is to be alive when both of these monsters were killing the game and setting some "bars" that are a little too high for most to reach. Much love to the channel. I be watching all your Em reactions.
Totally agree I think the three goats in rap are Eminem Lil Wayne Tech N9ne Actually I really shouldn't say think because think implies opinion and these are straight up facts😁😉
Plz name.. someone that can..on a record, album or whatever can even. Match EM.... Busta..lil Wayne.. Jay-Z.. Nas......no One....i would love to see Em and @snowdaproduct.
I always said Eminem and Lil Wayne should have made an album strictly them too together and it would have probably been the best album in the entire universe!!!!!!
Wayne went for punchlines on this Em went for straight emotion and flow with a couple of nice bars in there. I prefer Ems verse because I knew his journey since being a kid and knowing that he came back from near death and was writing this during his comeback I could just feel the emotion on another level. They both killed this track in different ways which is why it's one of my favourites.
@@tbtnr9851imo em had more filler bars while for me each Wayne line hit. Em was more for schemes and complexity as well as fast flow, Wayne was about creativity, simple yet deep and punchlines
Em and Wayne have been my favorites since I was in highschool.. Im 37 now. Wayne's verse is one my all time favorites and he takes this one in my opinion. He's so methodical. 🐐 🐐
@@noneofyourbiz39 wayne also said em was never gone to murder him on beat basically telling em you will never murder me on a song and i agree em would never murder wayne a song without dissing wayne
People arguing in these comments who's better when the truth is this song is amazing, both guys are amazing, and the world is better for this song existing
@@Scorpion-lj2zbhell nah. Wayne punchlines hit way harder because of the metaphors and how deep they were. No disrespect to em because he had fire schemes but he wasn’t saying anything to clever or deep. Just because it’s complicated doesn’t mean his bars were hitting as hard
@@Scorpion-lj2zb name some. Bro y’all hype em so much man really said marsh won’t be mellow. Like nice wordplay but that shit was wack. Name Ems best punchline and in going to name Wayne. Also em literally had like a few actual bars while every Wayne line hit. Bro wasted like half his verse describing how peoples ears perk when they hear him rap
Eminem's flow, delivery, motivation is always top of the top. Wayne bars cold and needed in this song. This song is so good guys, just don't compare 2 goated rappers in a song where they teamed so well. Portugal here for the Goat Eminem always since day one and forever but also for other legendary OG'S and good stuff. Thanks for reacting to this legendary masterpiece. Salutes and respect from Portugal.
@@DJreeik Not sure, wasnt asking for a reaction btw. Was just telling that drop the world is also a classic and em and wayne should make more songs together. They fit so well on a track together.
Em's hardest verse When I'm not even in my harshest You can still get roasted, 'cause Marsh is not mellow 'Til I'm topplin' from the top, I'm not gonna stop I'm standin' on my Monopoly board (uh) That means I'm on top of my game And it don't stop 'til my hip don't hop anymore (shit
Apparently you can't appreciate Em's bars if you can't catch them .Only genius will catch his bars ..No one got more bars than Em is a legend all day 👏🙌🙌🙌
"Cold-hearted from the day I bogarted the game" deep meaning here because Evan bogart was one of the people responsible for discovering Eminem at the Rap Olympics in 1997. So he was cold-hearted since the beginning he was noticed and has been ever since
The best line was "yo I don't care about Taylor Swift, man" lmao. But seriously, I can't decide if I like 'Em or Wayne's bars more. Wayne had such a dope rhythm and delivery and Em is always technically epic. One of the best collabs ever. Your reactions are top tier
Feeling is a big part of music. The stuff that em said that moved me you guys didn't really react to, and some of Wayne's bars that seemed a little on the nose to me you guys really liked. So much of music is about how it makes you feel and what it connects to inside. These two are both giants in rap, and they've both earned it. This one just felt like two giants working together to just show what they can do.
This is a tie......both slayed it.....which is why it's one of best collabs ever from Em. If peeps are more Em fans, they'll lean to Em, and if more Weezy fans, lean to Weezy.
Go back over Em's verse. My emotions are involved now. I'm loving what you gentlemen are doing! I haven't felt like this for a while so I will be watching more. Thanks guys!
It's not a competition. They're complementing each other. This song is nothing without both of them. For me, this is one of my too 10 favorite rap songs ever. And it's my ringtone 😜
One thing that nobody who truly understands the genre can argue against is that Eminem brings the best out of Weezy. Go back and listen to their collabs...Wayne's most impressive verses are on records with Em.
Go listen to Knuck If You buck from Wayne or Last of a dying breed with Ludacris those verses are fucking unmatched, and there’s way more where those came from 💯
This is definitely the closest I've seen to Em not just completely washing people on a track. People have told Lil'Wayne this in interviews before about they feel he is the only one to not allow Eminem to "run him over in verses" and Weezy said nobody can run him over like that he pretty much treats it as a competition like Em does. It is pretty wild that rap song verses are treated as battle. Can you imagine Garth Brooks and Taylor Swift on a song and people breaking down who was better 😂🤣😂🤣 Hip Hop is just naturally competitive, prolly from all the battle rap throughout history.
@@brandoonf6962 Nah, Joyner was great but Em was on that Kamikaze smoke on that song/ whole album, he went crazy at the end. The whole “I sound like a broken record everytime I break a record”.
Love this song, with 2 GOATS...Wayne even said in an interview that when he was approaching the song it's always 50/50 nobody will out do another..they both looked at it that way and just wanted to make a beautiful song..its about the music, not who did better then who
It was around this time that Em started getting a little bit more into word play. Wayne used to be king of word play then Em picked it up and way over shot Wayne. Please check out Alfred’s Theme - Eminem. Loaded with Bars.
I'm an old head.. Em came out when I was in Highschool. Been a fan since his 1st album. Em's verses are always top notch and a lot to unpack. I also been a fan of Lil Wayne since Cash Money. Being Honest and Objective, Em is top 3 all time for me, but in this specific song, Lil Wayne had the better sounding part of the song in terms of flow and cadence. It felt like Em was trying to fit to many syllables in between beats, so it sounded a little off to me where as Wayne sounded more fluid. Both Em and Wayne had great bars, but Wayne had the better delivery overall, and I say this as someone who has Em higher on his rapper list than Wayne.
Em wasn't trying to fit.....he fit numerous syllables in btw beats, no hate to you but there wasn't really anything fluid about lil Wayne's obvious punchline to punchline bars. Punchlines are impact bars there's supposed to be a stop, putting them back to back takes fluidity out of the question
@@Matty80822 doesn't that make you a Wayne fan boy that can't take it that Em took this feature? I don't think any of them is better here, both are equally dope af
The fact that you had to go back and listen to Em's bars over and over should tell you something. Em means something in everything he says and everything's connected.
I've heard this song a million times and just caught the craziest bar, and idk how the hell I've missed it for this long. "Cold hearted, from the day I bogarted the game, I so started to rock fellow." Literal 🔥 comes out that man's mouth when he opens it 💯 I'll be pausing his songs, looking at the lyrics hard asf 🧐
A lot of artists were already hesitant to have Eminem on as a guest artist after Renegade… but this verse following what happened when they all collaborated on “Forever” was the nail in the coffin for him being a premiere feature artist. He definitely took some micro aggressive shots at those guys for rewriting their verses after they heard his on that Forever track.
I was in my 20s during Wayne's prime.. He was and still is the greatest of all time. Em too. Damn that was such a badass time. Now you can't listen to the rapper's today. You can't tell what they're saying. Lol
Em’s skill is being a genius with complication. Wayne’s skill is being a genius with simplicity. Personally i feel like they are both GOATs in their own lane and this is just an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object
Very good take on it
man became poetic, damn
I'm huge Eminem fan but Wayne won this one but Eminem won in their other songs also Eminem won when collaped with Jay z. for me all three of them are goats new gen is good but its all about money and making hits. Compared to these 3 who where creating rap we have today is joke
Kanye had that one good album which is top 3 for sure but other that he is not Even close to these 3
@@nuge_0275 em rapped circles round wayne on this
Something to mention, Ems bars connect from themes and transitions. The fire, sparks, ignite, hot metal, roasting, Marsh (Marshall) is not mellow , all connected to heat. A lot of people say just like yall he spitting fast, but it always connects to a previous bar and sets up the next, while keeping cadence and flow, and giving a whole verse that's a bar lol. But Wayne got metaphors for years, most his bars are simple but deep. Ems usually require a bit more analysis
Yess. And people mistake simplicity with easy.. IT IS NOT, cant noone do it like wayne forsure.
The schemes are crazy
Smart 🧠 Man
They should read this comment!
You have to listen the song 10 times and you see some magic
Em and Wayne are Yin and Yang. Wayne's genius is bars in simplicity capped with clever analogies, whereas Em's genius is complicated schemes and wordplay, littered with double and triple entendres. It all comes down to preference, but also, I think it's why they compliment each other so well. It's all in the way they balance each other out.
They're both master's of their own styles. But I'd listen to them together any day...
Best comment gang. No cap explained perfectly
no one could've said it better
correct
Perfectly explained
I agree fully to all what you said
"I don't go around fire expecting not to sweat" is a direct nod to Em that everyone seems to miss. Respect
Years later and you just brought this to my attention, I thank you. Catching new bars every day 😂
How/why is this a nod to Eminem ? genuine question :)
@@victorgrandpre5869 Em spits fire so Lil Wayne needs to have brought his A-game for this collab. Em's verse also has a lot of associations to fire, heat, etc. The top comment goes more in depth about this. - My unprofessional opinion
@@Twiztedpenguin Thank you bro
@@Twiztedpenguin I don't know if you're right about that. You might be, but I'm just guessing. I thought, because Em is the "fire marshall". If im wrong, it still is good tho!
I don’t care who won, I just appreciate these two legends made this amazing song. Bars and flow are through the roof. I miss the old Wayne, Carter 3 my favorite album
Same
FACTS
12 years later, this song still 🔥 always feel like I'm hearing it for the first time
Carter 2 is Wayne’s best album 🔥
Exactly. There was no "who won".
Ems flow on this is just unbelievable, whenever I’m walking and listening to this on my earphones I feel like a king
u shld have a listen to fast line by em and royce its insane
@@7ryanx it's amazing bud
Same😎⚔️
Me today... Em on this was a beast
So true, it's been 14 years since the release and every time I listen to this song i get chills
That marsh is not mellow bar still blows my mind to this day. Absolutely genius
That semicarter matic bar still blows my mind to this day
Honestly overrated it’s a literal dad joke but it’s y’all favorite bar?
@@djneptune1306can you explain that bar?
@@Stinkfly300real gs move in silence move in silence like lasagna.
This song actually helped me through my recovery! Kept me going, helped me stay clean. When all the doubters where throwing hate my way. This song saved my life kept me strong🙏
Thats amazing brother, hope you’re doing well now , I love this song so much man the lyrics hit everytime I listen to it - Nice version of Osama
Hell yeah bro, glad to have come across this. God bless you, hope all is well 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hope you’re still riding strong
Same!
One of the main reasons Waynes bars hit so hard was because of his speed, he was basically spoon feeding us. We saw it coming and every bar hit. Also there was double entendres in probably every bar. Ems flow makes his verse even harder. Ems verse was also alot more personal and to the theme of the song
Best way to explain it
came to the comments to say this myself.. one of ems best verses imo, just gotta keep up
But thats the job of a artist to deliver his bars so as many people can apprieciate them as much as possible
@@blakan1478 true but em don’t like doing that all the time he said himself in an interview he likes to change it up depending on what he’s in the mood for .. sometimes he makes them easy sometimes he likes to do the corny shit on purpose and other times he likes to just go over peoples Heads
@@blakan1478 you can’t speak for every artist. Every artist is different, some like having Easter eggs that only their core fans can catch and some like being abstract to where it takes several listens to understand the overall message/meaning. Some like being simple and easy to understand. There’s no right way to do it. If that were the case then in art abstract artists would be “wrong” because they do their art form in a way that’s extremely complex and left up for interpretation for the viewer.
I like how you guys play it back. That is something other reactors don't do. You guys F'n Rock!much love
Scriptwork runs it back all the time.
Www
@@markmac2206 Yeah, but they pretty much out the reaction game now. Their channel fell off hard.
Knox Hill brings it back all the time.
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This duo is so sick. They’re contrast slow and fast and both complex compliment each other so well!!!!
This is one of my TOP FIVE Eminem songs. It gets me every single time. I get choked up EVERY TIME.
Ems verse you gotta go back a second time to understand. Em isn’t a top 10 selling rap artist. He is the biggest rap selling artist !
Guess what? They just did that
@@MotionBlurMyself They understood more whenever they went back a second time so “guess what?” That was the guys exact point….
He could be the biggest selling artist but could still get outrapped by Weezy the goat
@@zeemar13 yes he can but he didn’t lol and weezy is in my top 5
@@zeemar13 cant recall a time Em was ever outrapped by a artists including this i dont think wayne got outrapped either tho at least in this song
I simply love both artists. Impossible and pointless to claim a "winner" when two GOATS worked together to create a masterpiece.
Agreed, people just appreciate more the features, if we keep comparing the artist then some people may feel intimidated and we could miss another masterpiece like this one or drop the world.
Yep. They both became pillars in Hip-Hop
This verse by Em is my favorite of all his albums. it just hits different for me
I remember the feeling I got when I first heard it and I still get the same feeling up to this day. The song makes you feel like you can conquer anything.
I love this song with every fiber of my being. It really takes me back.
10th grade 🥲
I'm right there with you
This was really Important song for Eminem Becouse He almost died beforw this song . he did this after Rehab . That s why he start his verse . " Im alive again more alive
Sources?
@@gotredboxes Wtf Im Stan from Begining I remember this time , . Sources ? xd. He took drugs and he collapse in the bathroom. Eminem Did interview about this
I don't think he wrote this song exactly after almost dieing. He wrote this after his relapse album so it been about 2 or 3 years after his overdose
@@michaelsaylor4903 Tell me when i told Eminem did this exactly after this happend ? . He just was again himself
No he didn’t lmao
Em got crazy flow and energy ⚡ and some bars too.
I feel like everything Wayne said is a bar from start to finish. That's how I felt years ago and I still feel it.
You know what it is? Em's part leaves you in admiration for the artistry and skill, and you feel the awe in your head. But when Wayne's bars hit you feel them in your core and they kinda pull on your stomach and make you do the stank face
em had a lot of kinda hidden bars like the kanye one where when kanye heard ems verse on forever he had to rewrite his verse
wayne rewrote his verse too
@@vladig2835 Wayne doesn’t write
@@vladig2835 Kanye*
Ok instead of saying Wayne rewrote let’s say he re recorded which is what he does sometimes so people can stop saying Wayne don’t write it’s like ok you know what we mean re wrote/ re record, we trying to say the same thing lol
@@revertedrf978 everyone writes my guy, they just don't show up with pad and pen to the studio, if you dont write and memorize, then every retake verse would be different
Wayne's verse paints such a vivid picture to the listener with excellent story-telling, plus he has nice bars. Em has more elevated word-play and also has more fun with the flow. So ultimately it's going to come down to what mood you're in. I feel as though, Em used to do more story-telling earlier on in his career, but as he got older, he began playing with form more.
Personally, I enjoy Wayne's stuff more when I want to "feel" something, and I look up Em's stuff when I want to really mentally dissect something clever and appreciate world-play.
Drop the world from Wayne and Em is fire 🔥 too
Lil Wayne did his thing here, some of his best punchlines, his best metaphors and hardest verses are present.
After that he takes a step back and supports Em with adlibs, Marshal simply does what you expect him to do and eat the whole fuccin rest of the song.
What do you expect, Wheezy does his best around the best.
Nice writing bro it includes every thing good job
Anyone else’s favorite line “standing on my monopoly board…that means I’m on top of my game”.
Just the fact that these two amazing artists made a song is pure poetry, man what time it was to be a hip hop fan.
"When im not even in my harshest you can still get roasted cause marsh is not mellow" is just pure genius. The lyrics in itself, the delivery, its just all around great like the entire verse
“ cuz Marshall’s not mellow” the double entendre kills
@@victoraguinaga7222💯 And they don't even know! 😒
@@srowe1528crazy they didn’t catch it. That’s what’s hard about Em you gotta listen and actually listen to catch some of it.
Kind of corny. I said it, bro made a dad joke and it’s y’all favorite bar. Wayne had way better punchlines cmon
Because Em kinda forces featuring artists to dig deep and bring their best when collaborating on a record, you end up with situations like this where Wayne, who you already love, spits a verse that goes above and beyond what you typically hear from him, making what is already an "A" rapper deliver an "A+" performance.
But, on the other hand, because Eminem gives you an "A+" verse *EVERY SINGLE TIME* there's really no way to make the listener hear his verse as something truly special or unique...
In effect, this leaves you feeling that Em did what Em does, whereas Weezy, on the other hand, did something extra-ordinary.
In a way, it's like Eminem is so good, on such a consistent basis, that it actually works against him...if that makes any sense...(?)
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Yup just like that song he just did with snoop it brought out the best in snoop because he knows he has to maintain his reputation instead of getting smoked by em in the same song meanwhile em brought it yet again. You hit the nail on the head
@@kylemonsterdrywallfistbump5948 perfect example!
Trying to compare these two artists is a fool's errand, though...
It's like handing someone a copy of a universally acclaimed novel that is seen as a work of literary genius...then sending them a hilarious meme with two lines of text that almost everyone can relate to...and then telling them to decide which is the better author and/or piece of writing. Lol
You can see in their faces that their brains turn on when Eminem starts. One of his BEST VERSES EVER.
These are 2 EXTREMELY talented men who are the best at their style of creating music. The fact that they can put their styles together in this way just shows how versatile they are!!
Wayne's bars are simplicity and Em's bars are complexity. Perhaps this is what makes them one of the greatest collaborations in hip-hop along with Redman and Method-Man
Wayne's bars were far from simple. Did you not catch the wordplay?
eye respect that....been sayin em is just too complex on interlect
It's obvious you don't know rap... Wayne verse is far from simple... Wayne say things in a thousand years you won't ever think about...em can rap fast but few metaphors
when Em said "i ma let you finish in a minute", he literally finished his verse within 1 minute
Damn
He's so calculated
Lol
Unappreciated greatness.
🥶🥶🥶😱😱😱 Fuck fr? now i gotta go back damn he's nice
Eminem took this without question and Wayne went crazy! Em spit the bars, did the flow, kept the whole thing coming together... On Top Of My Game! Wrong choice on this one guys!
Wrong choice on this one and wrong choice on Forever reaction. 2/2
It’s not a wrong choice it’s their opinion lol I see what ur saying but still they prefer Wayne nothing wrong with that it’s a close match up, at least they appreciate both verses
opinions cant be wrong. Wayne gets points because he's the only dude Em didnt lap on a track.
@@markmac2206 Well, no lap lap but he lap but no lap lap for sure. Wayne’s a beast
Not a wrong choice. Especially when it's this close
I dig these videos, I like hearing these songs with the lyrics running and pausing to discuss the verse(all of Ems bars need a bit to digest and unpack) because not only is the flow insane but his words say way more than face value.
Wayne paints a picture;
Eminem sets gasoline on fire.
Two completely different styles of art.
For those who don’t know, when em was talking about ye he was talking about the verse on “Forever”. Ye said in an interview that he went back to the studio for 2 days to rewrite his verse after hearing ems verse.
I was just thinking that just now listening to that part of the song!!!
Although what you said might be true, but it's incorrect, in this particular instance, he is referring to Kanye snatching the mic from Taylor Swift at the VMAs: "snatch the mic from them, get these cocksuckers off stage, where the fuck is Kanye when you need him?"
On the forever lil Wayne and Kanye redid there Verses after they heard Eminem They all had good verses if they would’ve been in any song, everybody would appreciated their verses, but nobody talks Eminems shit he talked shit about all of them on the song And they went back and redid their verses, and didn’t even try to clap back they just try to make their first versus better than they were
The fact you have to replay Ems part again and again to catch everything decides it for me. It's not just rapping fast. He puts way more into his verses than most. I'm a thinker so his bars speak to me more. I understand others don't think that hard. To each their own.
This right here is why Em is one of the best. He has layers and layers...everytime you listen you catch something new. Most rappers have surface level bars maybe doubles, but Em has triple and quads
@@nairkeith I won't lie, I'm a stan, and I'll give my respect to Wayne, I listen to Eminem playlists every day, and to this day, I still hear bars in songs I've heard hundreds of times that I've never heard in that song before. And then I'm like 🤯 that bar hits even deeper than I thought it did
Nah it’s cause bro be rapping to fast , wayne better imo no hate tho
Lol every bar Wayne spot was a double/triple entendre. You can be the smartest in the room and listen to it 10 times over and still wouldn’t catch everything. AND he rapped slow so casuals could catch up.
@@Inwhyseeb No hate.
But if you stop comparing them, you'll see the beauty of both their lyrics n flow.
If Wayne didn't rate Ems verse you think he would let Em feature.
Think about it.
Peace.
I’m just glad we got a feature of two grates, two Titans in the game! Im glad you guys had such a hard time going back and forth trying to figure out who came out on top bc you guys listen to the words and flows and delivery compared to all the songs that are out now in day. Grate song !!
Man so many lines flew over y'all heads. Love the reaction 🔥🔥🔥
A monopoly in rap is, being alone at the top. But also standing on his monopoly board. Being on top of the game. The marsh mellow bar was more fire aswell, next to that you guys caught alot
and standing on his monopoly, bored. That ties back in to the later bars when it aint even cool to sound cocky anymore and all the way back to the first line about peoples rats perking up when he begins to smash with the pen. It is like if you play Madden and never take it off rookie. You are wining 86-0 every game and it get's boring and it isn't even cool to talk shit or brag about anymore because you don't have any challenge or competition
Wayne's bars are so surface level. You catch them all the first time. Eminem has to be heard multiple times to catch em all
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Facts 100. I caught more bars in ‘Em song then those guys did because you have to also listen to the way he triple and double entendre into a bar or bars follow up by a bar.
You definitely need to listen to more Wayne. This was nothing…
Also, Em’s bars weren’t that complex, he just had larger rhyme schemes. Wayne’s punchlines were more unique.
Best bar, in my opinion, was:
“All about my dough, but I don’t even check the peephole /
So you can keep knocking but won’t knock me down”
Dough = money, but sounds like “do’,” which is slang for “door,” and is a homophone.
“Peephole” sounds like “people,” which is another homophone. Then he ties that in with the “so you can keep knocking, but won’t knock me down.”
By the way, Eminem started using homophones heavily since 2015, and it’s Em’s most used literary device and has been since. Listen to Em’s last 3 albums, and you’ll find them literally EVERYWHERE.
Edit: Oh, and I forgot. Little Richard has a song called “Keep-a-Knockin’,” a song about a a lover who he won’t let back in because of bad behavior. So the bar is a metaphor for how Hip-Hop has treated him. And “peephole,” which sounds like “people,” may be Wayne saying he’s all about the Benjamin’s and doesn’t care who he does business with.
Your response matched the song. Quality work CartierMen. Im a longtime Em guy from NZ but ur fully righteous - I LOVED wayne. Feel it and weep !!!!!
The black fraternity vibes are off the charts with these dudes
Love the vidz great work !
It's not about who is better, it's about two MC's bringing the best out of each other. Giving us an instant classic and the real winners would be us the fans!
🤘🏼Exactly!
Eminem's bars are just way more deeper and when you actually catch them you're actually like wow!
You have to exercise some interlect to understand em....man is just too deep for basic minds
I love how they flipped this old-school house song. That song was very hot back in the day. Way back when I was in Jr high 🔥🔥🔥💪🏾
I love how you guys really try to take your bais out the conversation it makes for great conversations.
I love WAYNES verses BUT to me THIS WAS ONE OF EM"S best verses of career, he pretty much told WAYNE in song go home and re write it, like wayne's schems but not that complex . Both killed it, but I give it to EM for sure
Yups i totally agree Wayne said this too by the way
That was a diss to Kanye. Wayne's verse is simple punch after punch after punch and only he can do that
He dissed Kanye for having to rewrite his verse on Forever
nah that was a shot at Kanye
Weezy F Baby don't write foo so the F is for Fuck you. If this Ems best verse against Lean sipping Weezys 8/10 But not his best verse, then I guess Wayne the Goat by your own logic lmao
This song is really a showcase of bars vs cadence/flow..I used to think Wayne had this one until you really start to appreciate flow ..Em's flow is an added instrument to the song..Its amazing🔥 only an elite few can do that
This was my fav song in high school when it came out. Still hits. Em’s part was always my fav but love the whole song
Both snapped crazy on this eomgv
Regardless of who y’all think is better, I appreciate the genuine reaction . That shit is hard to find. Keep it up boys 🔥🔥
The fact is that both artists are GOATS. I will never compare the two because they both bring something different and unique to rap. The thing I am thankful for, is to be alive when both of these monsters were killing the game and setting some "bars" that are a little too high for most to reach. Much love to the channel. I be watching all your Em reactions.
Totally agree I think the three goats in rap are
Eminem
Lil Wayne
Tech N9ne
Actually I really shouldn't say think because think implies opinion and these are straight up facts😁😉
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There can only be one GOAT silly kids. It’s tough to pick but there is but one and it’s Obviously Eminem.
Tho.. there's a difference between a GOD and GOAT...Em is the Rap God.
Plz name.. someone that can..on a record, album or whatever can even. Match EM.... Busta..lil Wayne.. Jay-Z.. Nas......no One....i would love to see Em and @snowdaproduct.
One of my favs... They both killed it 💯. Both ripped it
They both killed it!
I always said Eminem and Lil Wayne should have made an album strictly them too together and it would have probably been the best album in the entire universe!!!!!!
Wayne went for punchlines on this Em went for straight emotion and flow with a couple of nice bars in there. I prefer Ems verse because I knew his journey since being a kid and knowing that he came back from near death and was writing this during his comeback I could just feel the emotion on another level. They both killed this track in different ways which is why it's one of my favourites.
Imo Wayne brought more emotion and Em brought more wordplay and had fun with his verse
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@@tbtnr9851imo em had more filler bars while for me each Wayne line hit. Em was more for schemes and complexity as well as fast flow, Wayne was about creativity, simple yet deep and punchlines
Fucking brilliant video. Love and respect from Scotland 💚🏴
Em and Wayne have been my favorites since I was in highschool.. Im 37 now.
Wayne's verse is one my all time favorites and he takes this one in my opinion. He's so methodical.
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Love Lil Wayne. Love Eminem because he seems to inspire his peers to write their best lyrics and bars.
So true. Even Wayne said in an interview you have to bring your game because Em is a monster. But Wayne brought his game no doubt
Wayne don't write
@@noneofyourbiz39 wayne also said em was never gone to murder him on beat basically telling em you will never murder me on a song and i agree em would never murder wayne a song without dissing wayne
They complement each other so well. They’re both fire.
People arguing in these comments who's better when the truth is this song is amazing, both guys are amazing, and the world is better for this song existing
Can we all agree that they both killed it. They both spit bars and just absolutely killed it
imo the best part of this vid is how ya listened to it twice. Gave it true recognition. BAR
With Eminem it’s the flow, the cadence…it’s like you can’t even focus through it…it’s just insane! Then you go through lyrics and it’s still intricate
@tryme9390 who cares they both delivered. It wouldn't be a GOAT track if they both didn't deliver!!!!
@tryme9390Eminem had more and way better punchlines lol
@@Scorpion-lj2zbhell nah. Wayne punchlines hit way harder because of the metaphors and how deep they were. No disrespect to em because he had fire schemes but he wasn’t saying anything to clever or deep. Just because it’s complicated doesn’t mean his bars were hitting as hard
@@Stinkfly300 ems punchlines Hit way harder bro what😭😭
@@Scorpion-lj2zb name some. Bro y’all hype em so much man really said marsh won’t be mellow. Like nice wordplay but that shit was wack. Name Ems best punchline and in going to name Wayne. Also em literally had like a few actual bars while every Wayne line hit. Bro wasted like half his verse describing how peoples ears perk when they hear him rap
Eminem's flow, delivery, motivation is always top of the top. Wayne bars cold and needed in this song.
This song is so good guys, just don't compare 2 goated rappers in a song where they teamed so well.
Portugal here for the Goat Eminem always since day one and forever but also for other legendary OG'S and good stuff. Thanks for reacting to this legendary masterpiece. Salutes and respect from Portugal.
Wayne and Eminem are such a good combination.
Great fit to eachother on a track.
Drop the world is just as dope as this one.
@@flapdrol75 didn’t they already do that? Or am I thinking of Stevie Knights?
@@DJreeik Not sure, wasnt asking for a reaction btw.
Was just telling that drop the world is also a classic and em and wayne should make more songs together.
They fit so well on a track together.
Em's hardest verse
When I'm not even in my harshest
You can still get roasted, 'cause Marsh is not mellow
'Til I'm topplin' from the top, I'm not gonna stop
I'm standin' on my Monopoly board (uh)
That means I'm on top of my game
And it don't stop 'til my hip don't hop anymore (shit
@@flapdrol75 oh nice
Em did not diss Kanye. He said where is Kanye to clear the wack rappers off the stage, its a compliment to Kanye
He did. He references the other track they were on together where Kanye rewrote his verse after listening to Eminem’s.
This is my song at work....no joke. ✌️😆💪 From a reggae fan 💚💛❤️
Tie , tie , tie . They both killed it . 2 different styles . Both epic
Apparently you can't appreciate Em's bars if you can't catch them .Only genius will catch his bars ..No one got more bars than Em is a legend all day 👏🙌🙌🙌
It takes more than 1 listen to catch all the bars. Especially all the double and triple entendres. He is simply a genius himself. The Goat!
Everytime I listen to Em I'm still catching his bars iits never ending
Bro shut up. Why you need to hate another mans opinion. Some of you stans
I caught every bar!!!
This is Wayne’s w! More substance in his bars on this joint
Actually Wayne has more bars than Em by far
"Cold-hearted from the day I bogarted the game" deep meaning here because Evan bogart was one of the people responsible for discovering Eminem at the Rap Olympics in 1997. So he was cold-hearted since the beginning he was noticed and has been ever since
The best line was "yo I don't care about Taylor Swift, man" lmao. But seriously, I can't decide if I like 'Em or Wayne's bars more. Wayne had such a dope rhythm and delivery and Em is always technically epic. One of the best collabs ever. Your reactions are top tier
Feeling is a big part of music. The stuff that em said that moved me you guys didn't really react to, and some of Wayne's bars that seemed a little on the nose to me you guys really liked. So much of music is about how it makes you feel and what it connects to inside. These two are both giants in rap, and they've both earned it. This one just felt like two giants working together to just show what they can do.
First thing that comes to mind is Evil Twin. Not fast at all. But every bar has true meaning
"I don't go around fire expecting not to sweat"-Wayne. Fire bar. Even more fire when you see Em behind Wayne on fire in the video
This wasn't competition..... just a 🐐 & another 🐐 makin great 🎶 🎶💯
I love them both. No need for a better one ❤
This is a tie......both slayed it.....which is why it's one of best collabs ever from Em. If peeps are more Em fans, they'll lean to Em, and if more Weezy fans, lean to Weezy.
Go back over Em's verse. My emotions are involved now. I'm loving what you gentlemen are doing! I haven't felt like this for a while so I will be watching more. Thanks guys!
When Em says "I'm alive again," it gives me CHILLS.
This song STILL gives me chills. Literal goosebumps. Its too hard to decide which verse is harder.
It's not a competition. They're complementing each other. This song is nothing without both of them. For me, this is one of my too 10 favorite rap songs ever. And it's my ringtone 😜
One thing that nobody who truly understands the genre can argue against is that Eminem brings the best out of Weezy.
Go back and listen to their collabs...Wayne's most impressive verses are on records with Em.
Not even close bro I can tell you don’t really listen to Wayne much lol, Wayne’s verses with Em are not that impressive he’s gone way harder
Go listen to Knuck If You buck from Wayne or Last of a dying breed with Ludacris those verses are fucking unmatched, and there’s way more where those came from 💯
I feel you need to go listen to "John" by lilwayne ft. Rick Ross.
GLAD SOMEONE SAID IT!! Fucking mind blowing
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When em says where were you when I needed help up. Dude literally almost died stuck on them pills.
Man of love to hang with you guys, total respect
lil wayne n eminem duo is one of the best in history... imagine if they had album together..........
This is definitely the closest I've seen to Em not just completely washing people on a track. People have told Lil'Wayne this in interviews before about they feel he is the only one to not allow Eminem to "run him over in verses" and Weezy said nobody can run him over like that he pretty much treats it as a competition like Em does.
It is pretty wild that rap song verses are treated as battle. Can you imagine Garth Brooks and Taylor Swift on a song and people breaking down who was better 😂🤣😂🤣 Hip Hop is just naturally competitive, prolly from all the battle rap throughout history.
I would argue the closest is with Royce da 5’9 on Fastlane
Imma say Joyner did very well and kept up on Lucky You
You gotta check out Calm Down by Busta Rhymes. He took that battle from Em... shit is Nasty! Both fire on but Busta... holy shit
@@Rellj16 fuck yea
@@brandoonf6962 Nah, Joyner was great but Em was on that Kamikaze smoke on that song/ whole album, he went crazy at the end. The whole “I sound like a broken record everytime I break a record”.
Props. Yall made me chuckle..good commentary and hope dude caught that last cube out the red cup lmao
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Little goat's🐐....1980's🎵🎶🎵SONG...baby don't hurt me....go look it up....❤❤❤EM❤❤❤....
Love this song, with 2 GOATS...Wayne even said in an interview that when he was approaching the song it's always 50/50 nobody will out do another..they both looked at it that way and just wanted to make a beautiful song..its about the music, not who did better then who
Well said
It was around this time that Em started getting a little bit more into word play. Wayne used to be king of word play then Em picked it up and way over shot Wayne. Please check out Alfred’s Theme - Eminem. Loaded with Bars.
Both went hard as fuck!
Damnnnnn, I forgot this even existed! Thanks for bringing it back to me lol.
I'm an old head.. Em came out when I was in Highschool. Been a fan since his 1st album. Em's verses are always top notch and a lot to unpack.
I also been a fan of Lil Wayne since Cash Money.
Being Honest and Objective, Em is top 3 all time for me, but in this specific song, Lil Wayne had the better sounding part of the song in terms of flow and cadence. It felt like Em was trying to fit to many syllables in between beats, so it sounded a little off to me where as Wayne sounded more fluid.
Both Em and Wayne had great bars, but Wayne had the better delivery overall, and I say this as someone who has Em higher on his rapper list than Wayne.
Em wasn't trying to fit.....he fit numerous syllables in btw beats, no hate to you but there wasn't really anything fluid about lil Wayne's obvious punchline to punchline bars. Punchlines are impact bars there's supposed to be a stop, putting them back to back takes fluidity out of the question
I’ve listen to both since their start as well. Also an old head. I disagree completely. Eminem took this. Wayne went hard, but Em’s verse had it all.
I'm with you, Eminem is overall better than Wayne but Wayne rocked this way harder, the fan boys can't take it
@@Matty80822 doesn't that make you a Wayne fan boy that can't take it that Em took this feature? I don't think any of them is better here, both are equally dope af
@@4rl0ngit’s all subjective. I personally think Wayne part more fire to me and for me is close to a 60-40 then a 50-50
Bruh, I'm a huge Em fan but I respect all yall's opinion, you guys keep being you. 🔥🔥🔥
Two legends. Love Lil when says "be good or be good at it". A great life truth.
Two goats made pure masterpiece. Its genious journey. Story and message. Bars, flow, cadence. 100 percent art. My top 10 maybe top 5 fav song.
The fact that you had to go back and listen to Em's bars over and over should tell you something. Em means something in everything he says and everything's connected.
I've heard this song a million times and just caught the craziest bar, and idk how the hell I've missed it for this long. "Cold hearted, from the day I bogarted the game, I so started to rock fellow." Literal 🔥 comes out that man's mouth when he opens it 💯 I'll be pausing his songs, looking at the lyrics hard asf 🧐
seriously one of the best 2 artist collabs ever...and its on a song that get much less attention than it should
They both killed it. I think each of their verses is just as important for the whole song
A lot of artists were already hesitant to have Eminem on as a guest artist after Renegade… but this verse following what happened when they all collaborated on “Forever” was the nail in the coffin for him being a premiere feature artist. He definitely took some micro aggressive shots at those guys for rewriting their verses after they heard his on that Forever track.
I was in my 20s during Wayne's prime.. He was and still is the greatest of all time. Em too. Damn that was such a badass time. Now you can't listen to the rapper's today. You can't tell what they're saying. Lol
They both do what they do! Two different flows and perfect together.
“Til my hip don’t hop anymore” made me laugh out loud. 😂😂😂