the bizarre world of fan edits and restorations
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Sources / Further Reading:
FanEdit.org - ifdb.fanedit.org/
Hollywood: The People's Cut by Peter Rojas - bit.ly/3gsXZLC
Article about The Phantom Edit - bit.ly/3gtnYTb
Changing Cain: De Palma's Cult Classic Restored - bit.ly/3v9XH0l
Interview with Garrett Gilchrest on the Recobbled Cut - bit.ly/3tG8UFD
Bryan Konietzko's quote - bit.ly/2PgekIw
Music:
Mendelssohn - Symphony No. 4 in A Major
Mendelssohn - Symphony No. 3 in A Minor
Schubert - Piano Sonata No. 13 in A Major
Artificial.Music - Nighttime Stroll - / artificial-music
Dvorak - String Quartet No. 12
Chris Zabriskie - Virtues Inherited, Vices Passed On - chriszabriskie.com/
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What I think is happening, is that the "modding scene" entered the movie community
Basically.
Yeah, these are essentially "movie romhacks." If they can do it with Super Mario World, why not the Super Mario Bros. film?
@@johannhowitzer You know what this means. Chris Prat be gone
@@johannhowitzer they have, actually. It's not bad either.
@@FinnbarrGoesFast i legit cant wait for someone to make a fan edit but Mario and Luigi sound like Mario and Luigi
"DO NOT WANT!!!!" such a powerful moment of genius
Honestly, it's only marginally less silly than "NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Fuck that cracked me up!!
Ok, let me put some perspectives into this...In Chinese, the English word "No" can be simply translated as "不 (bu)“, but you can add a little flair to it and translate it as "不要 (bu-yao)" to make the phrase sound direr. The added word "要" does not mean much in this case (kinda like the word 'jose' in 'no way jose'), but it can be translated to "want" if it's used in other scenarios. So long story short, the Chinese-English translator diligently matched up every word from Chinese to English, hence the birth of "Do not want" instead of "Nooooooo".
Read this comment before it happened in the video. That was amazing 😂
I much came for this!!
There's an edit that changes Jarjars language to an alien one and gives him subtitles. Oh and also changes his character to being a sarcastic jerk, and it works really, really well.
Those are the anti-Cheese edits. They also replace the “Engrish” of the Nemodians with what I assume are Ithorian speech from KOTOR. Not a phenomenal edit but taking away the poorly aged stuff like all the Meesa is a great addition that would do well in conjunction with other Prequel re-edits.
@@protips__ The anti-cheese edit of Revenge of the Sith also removed Darth Vader's overdramatic "NOOOOO!"
@@InventorZahran The first two guys had me, then you lost me.
@@Klabbity_Kloots I think he's referring to the Backstroke of the West version but I don't know.
@@CaptainNomae I meant as in eagerness, not comprehension.
There's a version of Metropolis on pirate sites that's basically comprised of the highest-quality sources for video and audio, so basically someone Frankensteined their own favorite version and it's dope as hell.
Praying somebody discovers those last few minutes one day.
@@pacman5698 Crazy, this reminds me that years ago I started a fanedit that would slow the film down to "human" speed w/ original soundtrack. Did anyone ever make a version like that?
So it cuts 80% of the movie? And it's dumb way to long scenes?
Sign me up.
As of four days ago, some fan edits of that movie would be legal in the United States, although not in Germany.
In the 1980s: "In 20 years we will have flying cars!"
In the 2020s: "In 20 years we will have The Phantom Menace without Jarjar!"
When flying cars are a bad idea in every single aspect possible...
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3grWhoosh! That didn't stop the popular media from promising it. The fact that flying cars is wildly impossible is part of the point here. Get it?
1980s: we'll have androids! 2020s : we have Android smartphones!
Colin Furze made a flying well more like a motorcycle than a car I think a company picked up the concept and was entertaining mass production but I haven't heard anything about it in awhile.
@@squirlmy
I've never seen someone be passive-aggressive and also talk like they have the mental age of a 6 year old, props
"Famously, cut Jar Jar Binks outta of the movie, only not really. For some reason that was the narrative that the press ran with it"
His thumbnail: Jar Jar Doesnt Exist Anymore.
You are right!
The video is good, interesting and well made; but why oh why does he needed to do that cheap clickbait on the thumbnail?😤
Came here for Jar Jar not existing anymore. Turned out Jar Jar still existed. I am not angry, just dissapointed.
I almost didn't watch this video, because of that thumbnail. I don't care about Jar Jar. But luckily I read the title and I was something I'm very interested in.
@@FionaFacciona I hate this tumbnails, but I wanted to see, what this jar-jar not exists thing, with that title. I saw the thumbnail first, I read the title second, and I'm not disapointed.
Look for the Anti-Cheese Edit you must. No JarJar, or talk about love or taxes it contains.
I'm so glad you covered Backstroke of the West! That's my favorite way to watch Episode III.
DO NOT WAAAANT!
Going full cock is part of my vocabulary after watching that film
Better to death them!
I'm pulling an all nighter, so definitely going to watch through the entire thing
It's gonna hurt to laugh that much.
There are even regional fan edits too. In Spain, a spoof re-dubbing for the whole LOTR trilogy was made in which the whole story took place in Galicia, a northern region of Spain. Its local jokes and characteristic accents were so hilarious and the effort of changing all lines from the movies was so astounding that it became an early internet sensation back in the day.
I Love how at 20:00 he talks about being able to remove jarjar from the phantom menace in the future with the same hopeful optimism one would use when talking about the prospect of finding a future cure for cancer
Well it would be a monumental accomplishment and a priceless service to all the galaxy
@@thetwopointslow not to me
Jar Jar IS like cancer.
@@CordeliaWagner I literally just rewatched TPM today and Jar Jar, wan't that bad. I honestly consider the hate for him ridiculous.
@@CordeliaWagner i don't know, never saw anyone pissing blood because of Jar Jar, if you had that reaction check your doctor please
OMG!!! I created the No Manson Family Edition of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood! I just freaked THE F OUT when you mentioned it!! Thank you so much for the mention! Your videos are fantastic.
Seriously? What was your intentions tho? Actually curious.
Please tell me more about your edit. What was the intention? How does it end? Do you still include Sharon Tate?
Sounds like a cool movie tbf
@@ethansloan Here is a link to the info page. That should tell you everyting you need to know. Yes it does include Sharon Tate. How it ends I'd rather not spoil. XD ifdb.fanedit.org/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-the-no-manson-family-edition/
@@gamster96 anywhere we can watch it?
Just to point out an added touch of depth to this video. The music ROFS used when he started talking about the Thief and the Cobbler is Scheherazade by Nikolas Rimsky-Korsakov. It’s a symphony about a woman who must tell a Vizier a new story every night to keep him from beheading her. It’s where we get Arabian Nights or 1001 Nights from.
So kudos on ROFS for being knowledgeable about classical music to add this background track into a segment about a Middle Eastern story, even if most watchers don’t pick up on it.
Kenobi: A Star Wars story, is an insanely good fan edit of the Kenobi series that absolutely made it into the movie it was meant to be.
I've googled it and its shown as a 2019 fan short movie.
@@cybernet343
slap "fan edit" and u gonna see more...
I've heard a little bit about and it peaked my curiosity. Have anything to say about it? I kinda want to check it out
@@unhelpfulrevelations7989 *piqued FTFY
Look up Pixeljoker Kenobi edit. It's gonna be the best version of Kenobi out there. I can feel it.
as a teenager I made an edit Batman Mask of the Phantasm in black and white using different colour filters and colour grading to turn it into a noir painting and the best part is that I showed it to someone who had never seen the original version. so in their head that movie is in black and white!
That's the really fun thing to do. I have some edits that were the first time anyone's seen a film.
I would love to watch it.
@@LordJagd And I want to see those if it's possible.
You've invoked one of the rules of the internet and that's providing sauce. You need to make sure that thing gets posted.
Now you have to share it with the world
The "Planet of the Apes: Twilight Zone Episode" reedit actually makes a lot of sense, considering Rod Serling did the initial draft of the Planet of the Apes script.
And if IIRC Serling came up with the twist ending that's in the film. "It was Earth all along" is pure Twilight Zone.
That's not all, Planet of the Apes bears a lot of similarity with various Twilight Zone episodes. There's an episode of the Twilight Zone for instance where astronauts crash on desert like planet and there's a twist ending at the end that reveals it to be Earth. The film's meta commentary that the reason why the apes took over is due to nuclear holocaust in the distant past is also very in keeping with the Twilight Zone's social commentary. There are also several actors that were in Planet of the Apes that were in the Twilight Zone. A really good example is the actor who played Cornelius, Roddy McDowall, was the star of "People are alike all over".
There's also the music connection by way of the soundtrack composer for Planet of the Apes, Jerry Goldsmith, who scored multiple episodes of The Twilight Zone, as well as Twilight Zone: The Movie.
@@nonameronin1 nope, that was in the original book.
In fact, the book ends much like the Burton movie. Escapes from the apes, returns to Earth, apes beat him there. Sterling basically compressed it for budget reasons.
@@0311Mushroom not sure I see your point. The book and Burton's movie end with the main character returning to earth only to find it too has become a planet of apes. That's different from the reveal of the original movie being the planet of apes where the story takes place actually being our earth. The book's ending is "Our Earth will evolve in the same way as that alien world" the original movie's ending is "It was Earth all along". Similar, but not the same. Serling added his own twist.
I think the most important thing to realize about fan edits is that they come from a place of true love and devotion to the project being edited. Even if the edit is born out of dissatisfaction, the fact that someone bothered to take the time out of their life, completely free of charge, to edit together something they see as an improvement, is proof that there's love there. I'm angry about Rise of Skywalker but I don't love it enough to edit together something better.
Hollywood doesn't realize that. When a project is created out of passion and dedication, something special happens.
a small percentage of them. If you have really delved deep into it youMll see about 90% is crap and 8% is 'commendable' and 2% can be considered an actual improvement in the original.
awareness
wrong? I hate rum but I love rum and coke. People absolutely can change something they hate into something they love, and changing something doesn't even remotely prove that you love it. stop spewing pseudo - psychological bullshit
@@lxjoe96 oh please. Hatred itself stems from love. Thats a fact. The opposite of love is indifference, hatred is nothing more than another side of the same scale. People spend their time editing movies they hate into something they love because, chances are, there are aspects to what they saw that they DID enjoy. Otherwise they would have never bothered. People hate bad movies because they love good ones.
@@lxjoe96 If you truly hated rum, you would just drink straight Coke. But you clearly found enough appeal in rum that you decided to mix the two together.
Although I would say it's love, it's a really twisted egoistical love, thinking you know what makes a film better by your own standards is a really weird form of love.
I'll never forget the "no action" edition from the 1st matrix movie
lmao that was weird epic
I've been trying to find it, do you know its title or where it might be?
I'm also curious
what??? that movie is perfect. what are people smoking?
@@6ch6ris6 haha my theory is that us younger folk don't like it because the same ideas have been done better since then. I won't deny it's "revolution"ary though
@@croutendo2050 ??? Which film has it done better? You mean the cgi or action scenes in general?
I made a feature film that took me over two years to make. We had an opportunity to show it in the biggest screen in the biggest cinema where I live. It was hyped in the news and in a local radiostation. We showed it and... It wasn't great. It was pretty bad. I had disappointed everyone that took part in making it, everyone that supported it and everyone that came to the screening. That was three years ago. I've been to film school since and made countless projects since. But it's been stuck in my head ever since. This video gave me a boost to get up and start working on it again and to make it the way I wanted.
Never give up on your dreams. Rebuilding that old movie would probably be a great way to cement the new knowledge and skills you've gained without needing to rehash the stuff you did right originally.
I haven't watched the release cut. But I really want to watch your original version.
Nicolas Gonzalez Jorquera It actually hasn't been released yet. The theatre that I premiered at had the option of showing it afterwards but didn't. I planned on releasing it online but I've been hesitant. If I'm gonna show everyone, it should be done right.
Slash and Trash Thank you for the encouragement. I'll make sure to show you guys when it's finished.
Have you considered finishing your film or is that out the window?
go for it man, I hope too see it soon.
I’m pushing for a cut that increases the amount of screen time jar jar has
the film is so boring as it is that jar jar at least gives me something good to laugh at
Ahhahaha! Dude... he’s a Sith Lord
Deep fake every character with jar jars face
I want to see a cut of episode II and III where Jar Jar is the Sith Lord in disguise and is running the whole Galaxy instead of Palpatine. And, maybe, make Anakin less whiney
@Stephen Lindenfelser Check out Caleb Gamman's cut of II then. He's got you covered on the less whiney Anakin request.
There used to be a really cool edit of the prequals on youtube called the anti-cheese edit. Among the edits and cuts they made they didn't completely remove jar jar instead they cut out any cheesy jar jar scenes and gave him a complete alien speaking language and so subtitles were needed and they surprisingly made him sound intelligent and likable. This was before disney bought lucas film and lucas made the editor remove it from youtube.
About 4 mins in when you start to make that comparison between JarJar and Anikin, How they both kept making accidents to become victorious. I think that really lends credit to the "Dark JarJar" theory. I can't believe I never picked up on the parallel before until you pointed it out!
NO such thing.
@@theessentials450 No such thing as what?
The theory exists, as does the mentioned parallel.
@@ArloMathis Never existed. NOT from Lucas. Unless it's from George's own mouth, it's still neckbeard wankery. Thankfully, because it's stupid and terrible.
I recently found a fan edit of Star Wars that combined the "Despecialized Edition" with the Soviet 80s dub.
So, a fan edit of a fan edit aimed not only at recreating the original cut, but at recreating the first Russian cut.
Wow cool
I'm the creator of a fanedit of the final two seasons of Game of Thrones, and it's really cool to see a video essay recognizing our community's work. There's a ton of passion, a ton of work, and very little reward for what we do, since obviously we can't make money off of it, so recognition and the knowledge that people enjoy the work we do is what we thrive on. So thanks again!
You can't factor out ego or speak for the whole community.
Where can I see this?
WHERE IS THIS?!
@@SirBlackReeds --__--
Yes, please post it!
I always saw Anakin's oops and accidents as him using the force unconsciously, which is why the jedi noticed him as having great potential but also dangerous.
I made my own fan edit of "Sucker Punch" one time. I cleaned up a lot of unnecessary plot baggage and streamlined the experience. Maybe 1/4 of the movie was cut. My cut had the movie end when the girl got lobotomized. It was sadder, but it made the movie live up to it's name.
Ah, so you gave it the "Brazil" treatment (theatrical cut vs Gilliam's cut)
Give the link you coward, 😏
It may not have been a good movie but I still thought it was visually amazing
As an animator, I'm so glad you mentioned the Recobbled cut!
Seen your animations, cringed as soon as I saw you're a furry.
@@bennykopilevic7510 What's the need? If you've got nothing nice to say then don't say it.
yesssYESSSSSSS!
I was having lunch with an animator that worked on the original Thief and the Cobbler with Williams, and as soon as I asked if he knew about the movie, he made theatrical gestures of storming out of the room, crying for his mother. It was hilarious! That project really has a reputation of tragic proportions for everyone who was involved. The recobbled cut is like a holy grail in that regard.
@@bennykopilevic7510 yikes, grow up, you sound like a 12 year old
The one I’d most like to see is the full 4 hours of David Lynch’s Fire Walk With Me.
All the material is on the latest blu ray.
And all the things that people wanted to see where things they got ten folds of in season 3.
@@NostalgiNordenI believe deleted stuff is on the blue ray, but it’s not cut into the actual movie
Search for Q2's fanedit of the film which runs at 3 hrs 30
OhhhhhI want that
I have that saved on my computer
The case for phantom edit is so weird. Of course Anakin is a hero by mistake, he is a child guided by force. The force doesn't make you smarter, it guides your moves without you knowing it. It also make sense that Anakin is a talented underachiever (compared to what he could've been, not to others) with huge ego for his arc to continue.
Good point. The justification doesn't make sense because it ignores the whole podrace scene. Anikan didn't win that by accident.
A lot of the fan complaints kinda cone from a place of ignorance about what Lucas' intentions.
It's absolutely insane to think that here's been a huge world of edits of movies right under my nose, I've never known about any of these, and I'm amazed what some dedicated fans can do, amazing video btw
The way you phrase this "right under my nose" makes it sound like you are a director for some of these movies.
The Thief and the Cobbler restoration is one of the greatest things ever.
Seconded!
I watched it and I agree
where can I see this?
@@FinnbarrGoesFast th-cam.com/video/BKTCSLbjhtM/w-d-xo.html
You can see it here.
@@FinnbarrGoesFast it was on youtube but im not sure its still on here i saw it a couple months ago
Disney: "Why doesn't Star Wars perform well in China"?
Star Wars in China: "I can't lose again your elephant loves my mother so"..."I am more more than any hero's geographic change's strong and big"
Edit: For any other uncultured Dragon Ball fans out there, the Big Green dub was spawned in a similar manner
Ratio Tile is my favourite Jedi !
Also the Duwang version of Jojo Part 4 lol
Nearly 60 years on this molding planet and I am still learning new shit that is amazing my big regret is that I can't spend another lifetime learning all this
So, I read a lot of fanfiction, and I'm so excited with the ideas for the future that you present. With a written work, you can always write a new epilogue, make an AU, give the characters the conclusion and development you think they needed, rewrite half a book if you have the time. But movies have always been trickier. You can't exactly reshoot the end of Endgame the same way you can rewrite the end of HP. I know that there's all the ethical concerns of deepfakes, but that ability to create something which can fit with the original, even if it's not as good, be able to take the ending you wish there was and create it, is truly incredible to me
Fan edits are the 21st century manifestation of folk art. Without a dialectic like this, art belongs to its originator and therefore constrained by their flaws and perspective. A story polished by multiple tellings gets closer to the archetypes, fundamental human problems and solutions, and something we could call truth.
I think that’s a really insightful analogy, but I also think there’s a difference in that no content can be added. It’s a really restrictive form of adaptation. Most folk art is re-interpreted keeping only the basic skeleton, whereas fan edits must use what is already there.
@@Llanowar_Kitten Yeah and a lot of the time it is constrained by the conventional structure of a film. It's pretty far from folk art, I'd say. I mean, a lot of folk art is entirely original DESPITE mainstream "high art", it doesn't exist dependent on high art.
That might be a good way of viewing it.
In some ways, I think media goes beyond the original creator and is polished by the fans into a more pure form. As if the original creator was looking through a window into another world, sometimes it's clear and you get beautiful stories but sometimes the window is dirty or gets dirty/fogged up and the results are a messy view into the world that the fans can polish.
Star Wars is one of the best examples I think. The original series is pretty much a clean window into the universe of Star Wars. The prequels the window is dirty/fogged up and we got a muddled series of movies with bad dialogue but the core idea (the shapes in the window) are there and are still genuine to the universe but need cleaning up. That's where the the games (KOTOR), series like The Clone Wars, and, of course, the Extended Universe came in and tried to polish the story.
It's also why something like Disney's takeover is so upsetting to so many fans. Their first act was to try and completely delegitimize the EU and the games previously made. Then they released sequels that completely went against the spirit of the originals in ways that completely violated the story they claimed ownership to.
So works won't be your own anymore
Medium specificity at its finest
Glenn Gould talked about the potentiality of this in 1969:
"You know, I have a feeling that the end result of all our labors in the recording studio is not going to be some kind of autocratic finished product-such as we turn out now, with relative ease, with the help of splice-making, which we do or which engineers do for us-but is going to be a rather more democratic assemblage. And I think we’re going to make kits. I think we’re going to send out these kits to listeners, perhaps to viewers also, if videotape cartridge gets into the act as it probably will. And we’re going to say, “Do it yourself. Take the assembled components and make of those components something that you genuinely appreciate. And if you don’t like the result that you put together the first time, put it together a second time. Be, in fact, your own editor. Be, in a sense, your own performer.”
Of all the people I expected to be quoted in the comments, Glenn Gould was not one of them! That's so awesome.
Cloud Atlas Sextet is one of my favorites. It's a recut of Cloud Atlas to match the structure of the book where the stories are layered like a Russian Doll. It makes the order seem less arbitrary and the themes more apparent.
where can one find this??
I'd love to see this!
One fun example in the anime realm are edits that cut out all the filler content. For longer series based on an ongoing manga, the anime writers will often come up with new scenes, lines, and even entire arcs to avoid catching up fully with that source (so they can continue making episodes). And while full arcs are often separate episodes, many series have a ton of filler spliced into the canon episodes which makes it very complex.
One I saw recently was actually from a TH-camr named Oceaniz who posted a video called "I re-edited all of Naruto for my girlfriend", which explains the process and complications he had while re-editing over 700 episodes. Like finding ways to cut out half an episode of filler and re-cutting the next episodes to make them standard length again.
To me, what's curious about this is that the idea of any one person owning a story, and a story having a single, official version, is actually a relatively recent phenomenon in human culture. For most our history as a species, storytelling was organic, passed from teller to teller, and each storyteller was free to experiment with and alter stories as they saw fit. How many version of the Odyssey were being spoken aloud until Homer decided to write his version down? How many different scholars and storytellers contributed to the 1001 Nights before it actually became 1001 nights long? And even then, how many people could actually read these stories, as opposed to the vast majority of people who still relied on verbal storytelling
The invention of the printing press made text truly concrete and static. The rise of literacy made written text a more popular medium for storytelling than verbal communication. The invention of Copyright Law made it more difficult to make personal edits to pre-existing stories. And the invention of Hollywood cinema magic created a new form of storytelling that was only available to a select few artists who had the patronage of wealthy producers and financiers. So it's mostly in the past 500 years or so that we've gotten used to the idea a story having one version, one vision, one creator.
But the internet has done a great deal to re-democratize storytelling, allowing fans to re-edit and share their favorite stories and characters with their friends online. While all of this seems new and daring, it's really just old habits of sharing re-applied to new technological mediums. And that's kind of beautiful, if you ask me :)
Amen!
It's also crap though since the original meaning can be lost, Disney's Pinocchio for example is not at all like the original novel, which was written as a warning for kids to tell them that if they were not careful they could be killed.
@@orlandofurioso7329 I do not defend disney's practices as they are built on taking classic stories and claiming them as their own while they refuse to let anyone else do the same with their work. I will say though that changing the meaning of a story, while questionable, should be allowed to some extent for the sake creative freedom and as long as the original is still available then you can simply ignore the versions you do not like.
With deepfakes just getting better and better, that seems like the natural progression. You'll be able to insert whole new scenes with the actor faces and voices.
I have a crazy idea about batman v superman starring Christopher Reeve, Michael Keaton and Linda Carter,
It’s gonna be amazing, saw a video the other day about some bitching on interpolation, oh god once they see this stuff those haters are going to lose it.
There already were people remaking the CGI-versions of Tarkin, Leia and Luke using deepfakes and they were so much better than whatever Disney did.
At some point, we'll have Solo starring Harrison Ford lol
@@mk_knight5447 I would like a hybrid Classic and modern Wonder Woman music theme
Q2 is probably my favourite editor. His completed version of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me and The Missing Pieces was absolutely incredible
What’s exciting is the possibility that some future directors, editors, and studio heads will watch this and have it nested in their minds when they grow up and are in positions of power, I’d wager there’s probably at least 1 person who watches this and will eventually go in to create their own fan edit.
I mean, what is Episode VI if not an elaborate fan-edit?
This is the first video of yours I've seen, and I really REALLY enjoyed it.
Surprisingly touching as well.
I will watch your career with great interest.
BRUH HOLDEN WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE!
I see what you did there
My first video of his that I saw was the one about the history of "Smell-O-Vision" and 3D films and the brief fad of "Scratch 'n Sniff" films[*] (which often were paired with 3D films in the 2000s - for instance, _Spy Kids 3D_ did this iirc, but only in theaters & not in any home-video release). It was great and instantly made him one of my all-time favorite TH-camrs and my straight-up favorite of the non-political video-essayists - especially the video-essayists whose video-essayist video-essays are focused on the world of filum and cinematic cinema and da movies.
[*]Such as _The Rugrats Go Wild!,_ the theatrically-released film that crossed over _The Rugrats_ with _The Wild Thornberries_ where the theater would give you a scratch 'n sniff card with your ticket and at various points in the movie, a color-coded number would appear in the bottom corner of the screen, prompting you to scratch and then sniff the corresponding section of your card. Being, a _Rugged Brats/Wilted Thurnd'b'rees_ film from Nippelodeon circa the mid-2000s, they were all gross-out smells. Like there's a bit where someone opens up a tin of sardines or anchovies (which I think foreshadows something the kids have to do later) and the smell you're prompted to scratch is - naturally - sardesque or anchovian in nature. Another one is where male twin Phil (of the gross twin duo Phil & Lil DeVille) takes off his shoe and sock after a very long time and of course the prompt comes up when he sticks his foot at the screen...so you get to smell something...that I guess was supposed to be a stinky-feet smell. Iirc, there was literally like one pleasant smell in the whole filum. Needless to say, this fad was short lived.[*]
Hal9000 here. Someone sent me this video about fan edits, and I was not expecting the spotlight on 'Ascendant' toward the end. Thank you for the insightful and fair coverage of the world of fan edits.
Where can I watch your fan edits and those of others? Tried googling but no luck. Cheers
As a big Star Wars fan, I wanna see your TROS edit. I messaged you on Reddit too.
@@alfredthegreat9543 he send me the link to watch it drive.google.com/folderview?id=1K5OrqSYqkYgzLaVmdJRItUfW7DrpdGNA
@@ignaciorodriguez5636 please remove the link. You could jeopardise the project by sharing this publically.
@@alfredthegreat9543 if you can get an invite to MySpleen, you might find what you are looking for.
My favorite fan edit is Blade Runner's Analogue Cut. It retains the newer CGI and gore of the Final Cut, but changes the color grading to that of the Director's Cut, so instead of that weird green tint you get everything looking a lot more diverse. It removes some of the "Ridley Scott-isms" as well, like directing the viewers to think Deckard was a replicant.
He was a replicant.
@@CaptainSpalding72If you’d watched 2049, you’d know he’s not.
Imagine an edit that takes on the Jar jar is a Sith Lord theory, which gave me a whole new respect for the character. Shows behind the facade scenes where he schemes with palpatine. If this doesn't exist yet, please, somebody make this!
Then fast foward to an edit of _Rise._ Palpatine did die. But Jar Jar didn't.
You forgot to mention the work 4K77 has done for restoring both Episode IV and VI from 35mm prints... even Harmy has given a shout out to them since he's simply color correcting 1080p scans while they've painstakingly done 4k scans from 35mm reels (they're still working on Empire)
There's a beta of Empire available now!
"since he's simply color correcting 1080p scans" that's massively downplaying the work Harmy has done, they are merging multiple sources together, doing rotoscoping which is hours of frame by frame edits, and a lot more. It's not just taking a 1080p print and changing the colors some.
@@BrandonGiesing After having actually watched Harmy, I can confirm that you are right
As a fan-editor myself, this touches my soul AND nails home what is it that makes edits so memorable. I started in 6th grade with crappy iMovie software and using my phone to record scenes from Spider-Man 3. Now, ripping DVD’s and using more Premiere Pro, I’ve learned from practice. A lot of fan-edits are used to advance one’s own skills and service a better product, which just makes this video’s message that much more amazing.
Personally, I love fan edits. Some of them are great, some not so great. I also think, if you own a copy of the film you should be able to watch it any way you want. That said, the Raising Cain edit makes a decent film into a great film. There's also a fan edit of Prometheus called The Giftgiver that is simply wonderful. Fan edits breathe life into films. They allow editors to think outside the box and make something new out of something old or to make some good out of something bad. The possibilities can be both endless and limited, but creativity, in any fashion, is something to be appreciated not snubbed.
I once tried to recut ALIEN 3,so it was implied Ripley survived.I'll leave that to better,more equipped fans.
I watched Derelict and that was pretty interesting. I'll have to look into Giftgiver, but honestly I like the way Prometheus is as I see it as a dark Star Trek movie. The crew lands on a planet. Red shirts do stupid things that get themselves killed. Awaken ancient aliens you have to fight... Its a bloody good time.
Wow, I remember when I was mad into Fan Edits.
One that I really was blown away by, in a similar sense to the Cobbler & the Thief/Raising Cain restorations, was the fan edit of The Crow: City of Angels which restored the movie in a similar way to the director's original vision before studio interference and production problems.
As I recall, the director similarly saw it and tweeted that he loved it.
Retelling a story is classic art. This is how we do it now, but with a previously more difficult medium to get into, because of the barrier of entry. It's a more expensive version of Fan fiction.
Orson Welles worked on a version of Don Quixote for 30 years, his child actress aged up and everything. I would pay real money to see a restored and edited version of that.
Honestly surprised you didn't even touch up on Adywan's A New Hope/Empire Strikes Back Revisited edits. Both basically polish the ever loving hell out of their original films, adding more ships to battle scenes (both with digital and practical models), fixing continuity errors, making the aliens more expressive, and apparently much, MUCH more is planned for Return of the Jedi and a remastered version of his ANH edit, basically trying to turn the OT into the most perfect possible versions of themselves.
Well then there should be fewer ships in battle scenes, not more. Except the first film, that's the best dogfight ever.
Now,if only fans with these abilities coud/would fix STAR WARS 7-9. I'd BUY those...
@@geoffshaw346 wow, brave take, have your reddit gold
@@geoffshaw346 people are also doing that btw, “Fixing Disney Star Wars” for example
@@w.b.s. Yes,I commented too soon.
I just watched the 4 hour 2 minute "Ed" edit of The Hobbit and... It was legit great, I was shocked to find there was a decent movie hidden in that bloated mess.
I was hoping there was a good version of the Hobbit out there. After a massive diet it might be really good.
I can't unsee Palpatine telling Anakin "The Presbyterian Church, like ... enjoys you not."
HAPPY MAY THE FOURTH! xD
For the versions of the prequels without Jar Jar (as we know him) - the Redux versions. His language is now alien, he's subtitled, which means his words can be much harsher and like a warrior. No clumsiness, no stupid pod race commentary, no stilted dialogue. It's great.
I prefer the way he's meant to be. You know, how he is in TPM.
Oh now I want to see this movie now. I haven't been much of a Star Wars fan but have recently seen some fan films that have opened the possibilities of me becoming a Star Wars fanfilm fan.
honestly, good for people that like it that way, but personaly i like Jar Jar as he is, he is unsuferable at times. but.. to me that WAS the point, Jar Jar is noone special, infact, he is probably the least "special" person in the entire star wars saga that we follow as part of the main supporting cast, he is no great politician, Jedi Knight, or Clone Trooper. He is just... "him" clumsy, but well meaning.
To me Jar Jar showed to us that, even in a world where Space Wizards exists, where People exists who where created for war(granted clone troopers came later) sometimes, just a normal guy, with good intentions can make all the difference(battle of naboo) and sometimes, the same person, with the best of intension, can be the catalyst for a tragedy(him proposing emergency powers to the chancelor(even if that was proposed by other people to him))
Jar Jar is no Warrior, he is just... a clumsy well meaning person surrounded by extraordinary people
What if you're wrong?
@@weberman173 He does fulfill a classical role.
This video felt 3 times longer than it actually was, in a good way.
My single favorite restoration of a film is The Ulysses Cut of Waterworld.
It’s one of my favorite movies and it is such an improvement upon it.
Maybe Hollywood beat someone to it,with the extended,better cut of the movie that exists.
I always wanted to see a fan edit that takes Superman the movie, Superman the Movie the Extended Edition, Superman 2, and Superman 2 the Donner Cut and put it all together the way Donner intended for the movie to originally be.
Doesn't that still leave out the fact that Donner originally intended for Superman II to be much more contemplative of what it'd be like to be Superman?
I wanna see that done with all of the Star Wars movies, put together in chronological order and turned into one giant story. The run time would be days long though, but a lot of the boring or slow paced scenes could be cut out to make it shorter. 1, 2, Clone Wars, 3, Solo, Rogue One, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 all in one feature. I would literally spend 3 or 4 days off work just to watch it all from start to finish.
The recobbled cut is a necessary piece of art that I’m grateful exists.
It's just like covers of songs. There's some covers that make me appreciate songs that I previously didn't enjoy.
Holy crap. It's like movies with mods. This is so cool!
i need a t-shirt with vader going:
"DO NOT WANT!"
I think this video has just given you permission to go make it. :)
The only thing I want is a fan edit that fulfils the promise of Darth Jar Jar.
Fan editing, to me, is a weirdly fun process. When I did a fan edit of "Godzilla vs Hedorah", there was a bit of a challenge trying to achieve what I wanted to do, but that challenge was fun. I may go back and correct things at some point, but I will say, if anyone has thoughts on doing their own fan edit, I say go for it.
Fan edits give me hope. As Hollywood devolves storytelling into a soulless monstrosity, there will always be fans who truly love their favorite franchises and try to breathe life back into them.
I want adaptations to be made by professionals who are true fans of the work, not just there for acclaim and a paycheck. We'd have movies on par with Jackson's LOTR again.
The Planet of the Apes / Twilight Zone mashup sounds amazing.
The Star Wars Despecialized Edition is my favourite thing in the whole world.
you'll love project 4k77 then
@@kislayparashar I have to say I don't as much. 4k77 is more representative of how the film looked at a cinema back in the day (although not my local Odeon) which is great if that's what you want. But because it's direct from a forty-year-old print the image is softer than the Despec, and the level of grain - whilst authentic - is a little too heavy for me (and don't even mention DNR.) If you want SW to look like it was filmed last week, the Despec is the one to choose.
@@NerdFestUK fair, at the end of the day, whichever one works for you. I think Harmey agrees that 4K77 is the most authentic way to watch the film but you made valid points that affect your own viewing experience and that's fair
I'm curious about 4K77, but I also have no idea how to see it.
@@DamienDrake I've got it on Google Drive if you want it
This is always been very fascinating to me. The efforts people will go to to, at least as far as they are concerned, improve a work. Like that massive effort to make The Recobbled Cut of The Thief and the Cobbler.
I was talking to a film buddy the other day discussing the potential of one day, down the road...buying a movie would give you full access to a number of completed scenes and materials, and full access to a sort of "edit squite" where you could freely put together your own version of the film.
You could take a film and any number of the alternate scenes or extended versions and put them together to your liking. Creating the perfect hybrid you like, as long or short as you prefer.
I would probably tighten most movies up and whittle a lot of them down.
I live by the legendary mantra of "If you shake a film, 10 minutes will fall out" and I feel that many modern films forget this adage entirely.
Started watching you years ago and have never tired of your voice
fan edits are just another form of transformative work, like fan art and fan fiction. more power to them!
Your optimism and joy really shows through this video. Its a small thing to end a video optimistically but, idk. I really needed something uplifting rn so thanks.
My favorite phantom menace edit so far was one where they just cut in some alien language for the gungan's dialogue and put in subtitles. It just worked so much better. You could take all of them seriously, even jar-jar.
Hal9000's star wars edits are my favourite, they are done out of love for the star wars universe, his cuts are to make the narratives fit better.
Not always. Sometimes they're meant to spite the original creators.
@@hermos3602 sometimes that's the same thing
Here’s the best one: th-cam.com/video/RlLzsJKpHXc/w-d-xo.html
Any idea where to find his edits of episode 1 & 2? I really want to watch
@@Goldenlevel555 Google Hal9000 edits and you'll find a reddit page with the links
Thank you for introducing me to "Backstroke of the West"
Wow, what a comprehensive overview, analysis, and extrapolation of the fan edit and where it's headed in the future. The two things I wish you had included were the amazing fan edit - ultimate reconstruction - of David Lynch's Dune (it's the closest we'll ever get to his director's cut - or could be considered the 'lost workprint') and the fan edit I saw of Warren Beatty's Dick Tracy in which a fan converted the film to B&W (making it a true film noir), trimmed out poorly photographed bad makeup shots, and eliminated practically all of Madonna's singing - which really quickened the pace, making it a substantially better film. Other than that, thanks for a most enlightening video. I'm sending this to all my friends. And in the meantime planning a fan edit of a classic, adding storyboarded scenes lost either through lack of budget, lack of time, or the technology didn't exist 60 years ago.
A video like this should really include a complete list of fan remakes mentioned and some additional mentions.
Coming soon: The fan edit of Citizen Kane starring Michael Caine.
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The memes would be gold!
Citizen Kane?
More like, Citizen Caine!!!!
Something I'd like to see is a director / studio releasing a TON more material in usable form, the way that musicians often do in the form of "stems" for remixes. So you get the official cut of the movie, but perhaps you can also go online and obtain a slew of deleted scenes, pre-vis, raw takes, outtakes, workprints, etc, in original quality, and thus with the implicit blessing of the creators go on to create even more ambitious takes on the source material.
Open source!
My favorite fan edit is the detarnished cut of the Doc Savage movie. It's original tone was an ill-advised comedy whereas the fan edit salvages a fine made for TV adventure film. Fine work. Absolutely fine work.
Thank you so much for making great content that isn't saddled with numerous ad breaks throughout each video. There are so many here that don't go two minutes without an ad break, regardless of how long or short they are.
Creators like you are the best, thanks again, subbed forever.
I can feel the royal ocean film society returned on the hoof!
DO WAAAANT!
"The following is a non-profit fan-based parody" - popular fan edits that I'd rate 4/5 stars.
I think they have to say it’s a parody for legal reasons, so it falls under fair use 😭
This was so well-done and interesting I watched it twice back-to-back. Once to absorb the information and thesis, and the second to write down all these cool fan edits you mentioned that I need to check out!
I am just getting into watching Fan Edits and this was a great watch. So far I watched the M4 edit of the Hobbit into one 4hr film. It is my definitive version and what I showed my son's.
the third gathers is the best laugh i've had in a while
I fucking LOVE the topics you choose
Optimistically, the fan edit community will morp into a revolution that frees humanity from Hollywood's shackles entirely.
Its morping time
Morphywood
It'll improve the star wars prequels and trash the sequels and give us a 9 movie arch that's amazing, eventually. When some angry nerd gets enough compute power we'll be blessed with greatness.
If we survive as a species we have amazing times ahead.
@@ThatKoukiZ31 Or we'll get completely empty movies devoid of any actual passion just for every movie to be "objectively good"
@@ThatKoukiZ31 the prequels are fine on their own as is. Yes there’s some issues but the movies are enjoyable. Also as much as I dislike the sequels, they are fine movies just need to be more aligned together. No amount of fan edit can match even the worst movie. Movies have huge teams behind them who work hard. Hundreds of people involved. I
I once edited Max out from Mad Max Fury Road just to prove that his character is not needed in any way for the progression of the story. It was fun and as an actual film editor I learned a lot in the process
A more famous example is Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Nothing Indiana Jones does ends up affecting what transpires.
I was thinking it would be an impossible edit to cut Indy out of it, but I'm not sure. It'd end up being maybe 15 minutes long but now I kind of want to give it a try.
The fan cuts of the Hobbit, especially the ones that cut down to just the book content are absolutely amazing. I fell asleep in the theater when watching the 2nd and 3rd movie in the trilogy and I say without hesitation that I'm an off the deep-end Tolkien nerd. The power of the boredom those movies add is a testament to their failure when you've got such a good cast.
Yes! Recobbled is such a critical project!
Another category that might be worth exploring is edits rescoring the soundtrack.
The two I'm vaguely aware of are Metropolis Rescored by the New Pollutants
and someone adding new snythwave music to Escape from New York
As of January 1st, anyone is free to rescore Metropolis completely legally (in the US, that is, not in Germany).
now imagine this. A starwars prequel trilogy edited to fit the evil Jar Jar theory
as for Star Wars edits the guy called Adywan is just insane. He's recreating props and scenery to reshot them in higher quality and fix errors etc. He reshot the asteroid canyon run from Empire Strikes Back. The project is called Star Wars Revisited.
No amount of editing can ever, ever make the Disney Star Wars episodes even close to not being bad.
I liked them all
See my comment!
See my comment!
@@diyapia Last Jedi is my favorite sequel
Actually, editing can make or break a movie. Without Marcia Lucas's last minute inspiration to cut in the notion of the Death Star closing in on Havin 4, Star Wars would have had a much duller ending. ALL done in the edit with a few inserts. So, yes, you probably can make a Disney Star Wars movie much better by re-editing it. Just like Marcia did way back in 1977.
I made a nice edit to the Skywalker Saga too, i took episode 7 - 9 and put it into Trash. Now its perfect.
I've recently unearthed a vintage box set that verifies episodes 1-6 are, in fact, the COMPLETE SAGA.
I went down this rabbit hole back when the hobbit films were coming out. The "fixing" edits really made so many films much more enjoyable, to the point, I've stopped watching certain new original releases, and just wait for the fan edit.
the whole aniking accident running parallell with Jar Jar running counter to him being a destined legendary jedi just proves the Darth Jar Jar Hypotesis
You should check out Adywan’s Star Wars Revisited. He created entire miniature sets, matte’s, and CG shots to make a better special edition trilogy than the original ones
I LOVE Adywan's work! Still waiting for a new hope revisited HD.
I did some model cutouts for that years ago.
@@Clay3613 That’s truly awesome!!
Adywan is a next level detail artist. 🖤
Hey there! I'm the editor of one of the 12 dozen Hobbit fan edits out there (The Maple Films cut). Very cool video and I hope this opens more people up to the cool and sometimes strange world of fan edits :)
This might be one of my favourite YT videos I've ever seen. I truly love fan edits and anyone who points of new ones or heaps praise on the idea in general leads me to love it, but also the production value of this vid is just crazy good too! Thanks for the American Psycho x Batman Begins edit point out, I need to go watch that right now XD
I'm a huge fan of fan edits. It reminds me of the roots of filmmaking, the oral tradition. For centuries people told and retold stories with small changes here, removing dialogue there and these stories were perfected over generations through an archaic version of fan edits. I felt absolutely no emotional attachment to The Rise of Skywalker but those few changes you mentioned made me feel... something. The fan edit, the community feedback, the emotional investment in a franchise you love can make a story so much better than the sum of its parts (that have been deconstructed, modified and reconstructed).