Chapters in description! This one includes Minthara AND Karlach - I will write a guide on how to get them both in a future video - sadly it misses Halsin though. | Update, link to the guide: th-cam.com/video/_RoLMzcqZ9U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b9m8UEvlJ0JtfDrR
Dark Urge: I'm a Bhaalspawn. Lae'zel: You must overcome NO! You WILL overcome this! Astarion: Wow... it's like looking in a mirror that actually works for me. Everyone else: I'm so sorry you have to carry this burden. ... ... ... Minthara: We shall go and claim your inheritance! You will be unleashed upon the world to shape it as you see fit!
In her defense... Just imagine the guy you've been camping with for the past couple of weeks tells you he's the son of a God, specifically an evil God that wants to see the world drenched in blood, and this whole time your main concerns have been. The Vampire Spawn who looks at everyone in camp like their a walking delicacy. The warlock who, thanks to The Dark Urge, is no longer trying to kill you. (Try and wrap your head around that one) The drow who enjoys bloodshed more than the vampire. The wizard who has a magic nuke in his chest with ambitions of godhood. Oh, and the ticking time bomb in your own chest. At that point you'd be like "Sure, this might as well be happening."
lmao yes, in my first Durge run I fully intended to resist the urge to the end, instead I ended up succumbing to it, and I find rather...endearing, that Bhaal of all gods would not give up on you and still try to make you return to the 'family' even after you resist the urges, when he could simply consider you lost and settle with Orin.
I mean, most of your party was enslaved at some point, just for varying amounts of time. Astarion - 170 years Shadowheart - Ambiguous as she can't remember, but judging by her Mother Superiors notes at least 40 years Gale - I'm counting him, considering it's heavily suggested Mystra groomed him, but the duration is left ambiguous Karlach - 10 years, plus however long she worked for Gortash before Wyll - several years, I'm not sure anyone states the exact duration Halsin - 3 years Jaheira & Minsc - I don't remember if Baldur's Gate 2 states how long that period was, but the game starts with Irenicus having captured them some time ago, mostly because of Gorion's Ward That's eight. Eight out of eleven party members
Astarion: I knew you had some nasty habits, but I didn't want to pry overmuch. Also Astarion, 2 Acts Earlier: Usually it's taboo to talk about nasty thoughts like this, but please continue... But it's so nice to see how much he's grown as his own person and how he's grown to care for the player character. His response is a far cry from him telling you to "play your nasty hand for all it's worth."
Durge: I’m a Bhaalspawn. Wyll: Oh no that’s terrible Karlach: You’ll make the right decision La’zael: Don’t be a pussy Gale: Gosh Astarion: Twinsies, us spawns ride or die, you got this bro Minthara: That’s tight af, high five
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper I think back when I recorded this, for some reason I got 0 comments back from Jaheira, although she showed up at night for the usual scene I don't believe it's possible to get Minsc though before this cutscene triggers unfortunately
Astarion is so wholesome with a Dark Urge best friend or lover. Spawn Astarion and Durge is literally the greatest romance in the game. He's so supportive, bless him. *SPOILERS BELOW* Incidentally, does anyone believe Dark Urge is immortal? Obviously, other Bhaalspawn were conceived with mortal women, but Durge was different and created from Bhaal alone. And after resurrection (if rejecting Bhaal) you are told that you will not succumb to death as long as your godly companion (iykyk) 'Withers' endures.
I absolutely agree, Astarion has THE more/better developed relationship with Durge, regardless of statuses, so many wholesome moments. And to answer your question, obviously we can only speculate, but that, to me, sounds like a good setup for the next adventure, I wouldn't mind a "power reset back to lvl 1" situation, if it helped start off a new series of games. The D&D universe has infinite potential for stories to be told.
@@Saretz Absolutely! I'd love to see some sequels to this game in particilar, with the characters we've come to know and love (and some new ones). I'd love an adventure to Avernus to get Karlach back for example. Or perhaps to find a cure for Astarion's sun allergy along the way.
@@jenni5104 Yep! Basically every main companion's ending has a good setup for a whole new game, just think of a story where Gale actually loses it after obtaining ... Lae'zel fighting to free her people, Karlach's Avernus quest, so on and so forth, I don't want to spoil everything to other possible readers 👀. Unfortunately though, can only dream of these things :c
@@c_c7844 Yeah it's very evident in the final product that stuff is missing and I understand why as well, it's still a bit sad though, some of their replies here for example can be summed to "oof, that's rough buddy" xd. But I am confident we will see more down the line in the next few months, once they're done fixing the majority of issues and bugs.
@@c_c7844 Indeed, I have done some reading on it, unfortunately I think it would have taken at least another year of development to get the full experience, so I understand why they made the decision. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure they released one month earlier because of starfield, which is a shame, but again, quite understandable, while I'm not a fan of the game, it would have hindered their sales.
it's a bummer you only get these comments if the vision comes to you at camp. I got the vision while traveling and had no option to discuss with my companions. I got the same Wyll and Lae'zel reactions after the Gortash reveal, but everyone else reacted with way more anger finding out during that scene (probably because of the other bombshell Gortash drops on you there)
Interesting though that it can happen differently, or not happen at all! I wonder what are the triggers behind it. Were you resisting the urge in your run? I was
@@grymmoire I rested in act 3 once before crossing the bridge into the city but a different cutscene took precedence over the bhaalspawn one. I cant imagine needing to rest more than once in that area, and the method of getting across the bridge I took basically funnelled me into meeting Gortash. The developers really need to tweak the order of act 3 camp cutscenes i think 😅
this is why i don't like when people say astarion is evil. who he becomes is very much dependent on who you choose to be, but for a supposedly 'evil' character, he has more empathy and understanding than several of your other companions.
@@jamesherb4384 I'd like to agree, but at the same time, keep in mind vampire spawns are of evil alignments (any) by d&d rules, so that's kinda his nature. Now, that doesn't mean he was evil before turning, neither that he can't change, but ... yeah
Unless it was deliberate they misquoted Nietzsche. The original Baldur's Gate begins with those lines, and had it correct: Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does *not* become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
It is likely deliberate. Sceleritas Fel is telling you to embrace the Urge and become the monster that lacerates this world. Your butler spends the whole game trying to convince his master to go back into the abyss and this quote is just another attempt.
I think one of the reasons the devs added the possibility to play with other characters besides the Dark Urge is because some of us Baldurian Veterans might just be tired of the same "I'm a Bhaal spawn" for a third time and I know some people enjoy making an evil run for the lolz but evil for laughs or for evil sake is not my cup of tea.
It's also something Larian has done for quite some time. In DOS2, you could play as any of the characters in the group as your origin character or make a completely custom character (a Tav of sorts). This game feels like a combination of the classic formula of BG and Larian's own DNA.
Whilst I'm a ride-or-die when it comes to Karlach romance option wise, I tend to headcanon Astarion as my Dragonborn Dark Urge's best friend after speaking to him about the vision. He isn't wrong to say the both of them are pretty much in the same boat. And I cannot agree with his words anymore then I already do. Especially since I went with a Good Dark Urge run who has been fighting the bloodlust.
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4545 Durge remembers who they are upon reaching wyrms rock, but telling your party is totally optional. So their reactions are a bit... angry xD
@@westenev Wyrmrock is a fail safe trigger, to make sure you've seen the cutscene beforr meeting Gortash, alternatively it happens when going to sleep still in Rivington (like in the video)
I was very bothered how major events/twists like this didn't provoke more dialogue with the companions. 😔They might say something quite huge and you've no option to respond or talk to them about it. I mean, the companions get to unburden themselves on Durge/Tav, but our character get hardly any options to do the same. I understand it can't be custom made, since it's a dialogue tree, but some options would've been nice, like what they did in the Astarion conversation. He actually asked how we felt about it! I really wished my other companions had asked something and not just... made a slightly stunned statement. Gale's was the most underwhelming, so I can't imagine romancing him as a Durge x.x "Gosh. Better be careful." GEE, THANKS DEAR. 😂 That's the most generic, understated reaction possible, I think. Then there's Wyll*, who just kinda preaches a heroic speech at you and isn't interested in how you feel at all. Out of all the characters, only Astarion (whether or not you've romanced him) gives enough of a shit. :S They've added dialogue in the past (like in patch 5) so I really hope they polish up these things over time. 😓 **Side-rant on Wyll, because this is an issue with him overall: I romanced him when I was playing my first Durge, cus I thought it'd be an interesting dynamic to have a Durge villain arc alongside Wyll, I thought it'd be a great tragedy and that he'd react... more to it. But it's like his resolve is hardly moved by anything. It was very disappointing, all the way to the end of their romance. They really did his character dirty by not putting in more effort. It almost feels like a case of "Model Minority"... because he's seemingly completely unflawed? All his problems and challenges appear to be external, while internally he doesn't go through any changes. He is the same dude in Act 3 as he was in Act 1. Even when he's confronted with his FATHER who exiled him, he's still super chill and has no difficulty getting past it, and there's hardly ANY emotion in response to whatever his father says. He's all like "Dad, it's cool, really, I understand, you couldn't have known :) seriously, I don't feel anything. so anyway"
I feel like the problem with Wyll came from their sudden decision to (rightly so) rewrite his story, as he already wasn't pleasing people in early access, so that might be why he is that way unfortunately
Wyll is such an aggravating character because even as he currently is, there is a lot of potential for him to be interesting. I actually do think he's flawed in how he criticizes others who compromise themselves and their well-being for the greater good. Snorting the tadpoles, for example, in my run was not because I wanted the "cool Illithid domination powers!" but because I wanted to be stronger and more persuasive so I could do everything in my power to protect my companions. Wyll frowned upon decisions like that despite y'know selling his SOUL for the greater good. Maybe it's because he sees himself when characters sacrifice those important pieces of themselves and I think that's great writing ...But I wish we could actually CONFRONT him about this! Instead, he just gets to make really self-righteous comments without ever actually letting us pushback???
I'm sorry but I can't help but wonder what Minthara's intentions are in trying to convince you to accept Bhaal. it might seem like a simple power grab thing but is she really that simple or does she plan to help you do something grander like eventually usurp Bhaal or something? it's just a thought that crossed my mind.
You aren't wrong at all, Minthara isn't just some simpleton, she tells you a lot about her past and the environment she grew in, it was all about power, wit and violence, so you are definitely asking good questions. There are partial answers to them in her romance's epilogue dialogues (posted those videos on my channel as well) - but we can't see further in the future than that, can only speculate
She wants you to be as powerful as possible, at least as romance partner. Her ambition is conquest. I had an Astarion origin game and she urged me to ascend. And in epilogue all of her options led to conquest, making you a beautiful king, with her at your side as queen.
Withers probably doesn't comment on it because he's waiting to see what Durge decides to do about it without his influence. If Durge chooses the good path, the homie has our back
Im beyond confused because i cant run the game. Do the first 2 games mot matter anymore? Bhaals ecessence was either destroyed or absorbed by the player character at the end of game 2 making them the new god or goddess of murder. Is the new PC a difrent person or not? Do thevorigional masterpices eveb matter anymore?
Sadly I have only played the first game, I can't comment much on the lore or whatnot. My only assumption is the whole bhaalspawns things is a repeating cycle, but do feel free to correct me, I'm really just theorising
@@Saretz Within the D&D canon (basically, what the rulebooks have made official and not what can happen in the game), Bhaal's resurrection was apparently stopped with Throne of Bhaal by destroying his essence BUT there was another surviving Bhaalspawn besides the MC (and Imoen). Many years later, like 30 or so, that same Bhaalspawn attacked the BG1&2 MC in the middle of the city. Nobody knows what happened exactly in the battle of the two, but a monster arose from the winner and was later defeated. Defeating it essentially gave the push needed for Bhaal to return, but much diminished and not nearly as strong as he would have been with a perfect resurrection. He is now a quasi-god, which means he is mortal despite his deity status. Basically, the canon answer is: Bhaal's essence was thought destroyed, but enough survived for events to trigger an imperfect resurrection anyway.
@@AlcheaNemesis That's very informative, thank you for letting me know! I'm considering uploading the "Tribunal of Murder" from BG3, I don't know if I'm spoiling you anything so I'll leave it there, but if you know what I'm talking about, I'd like to know if that is also canonically possible/correct.
Didn't have Halsin in party at the time, but I remember Jaheira saying nothing after this - Minsc reaction is impossible to get, since this cutscene will always be a forced trigger way before you can recruit him
Didn't have him in the party at the time, or another run with it, video's 6 months old so not enough playthroughs nor the changes to Minthara recruitment
i just played this scene for myself about 10 minutes ago and halsin’s reaction was pretty much “damn, you should be careful who you tell about this.” i found it to be one of the more underwhelming reactions
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Chapters in description! This one includes Minthara AND Karlach - I will write a guide on how to get them both in a future video - sadly it misses Halsin though. | Update, link to the guide: th-cam.com/video/_RoLMzcqZ9U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b9m8UEvlJ0JtfDrR
Most companions: "That sucks. You gotta fight this! I believe in you!"
Minthara: "You must become worse."
😂😂, she just wants what's best for you!
Players: "I can fix her."
Minthara: "I can break them."
@@thearcheduck8746 If it works
Dark Urge: I'm a Bhaalspawn.
Lae'zel: You must overcome NO! You WILL overcome this!
Astarion: Wow... it's like looking in a mirror that actually works for me.
Everyone else: I'm so sorry you have to carry this burden.
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Minthara: We shall go and claim your inheritance! You will be unleashed upon the world to shape it as you see fit!
She sees the potential in you! 👀
Gale: … gosh. Be careful with that.
@@grymmoire 😂
I told Minthara, and she told me all about how Drow culture purges the bloodthirsty. Very strange to me.
TAV: I'm litteraly the son of the God of Murder
Karlach: That's rough buddy
🤣🤣 that cracked me
In her defense... Just imagine the guy you've been camping with for the past couple of weeks tells you he's the son of a God, specifically an evil God that wants to see the world drenched in blood, and this whole time your main concerns have been.
The Vampire Spawn who looks at everyone in camp like their a walking delicacy.
The warlock who, thanks to The Dark Urge, is no longer trying to kill you. (Try and wrap your head around that one)
The drow who enjoys bloodshed more than the vampire.
The wizard who has a magic nuke in his chest with ambitions of godhood.
Oh, and the ticking time bomb in your own chest.
At that point you'd be like "Sure, this might as well be happening."
@@alucardthespy5539 realistically, even less than a few weeks, everything going down all at once 😅
Gale: "Gosh"
@@Tony73727 😂
When playing an evil dark urge, it's always comforting to know that dad loves you. In his own bloody way.
Lmao, true true, until... 👀
lmao yes, in my first Durge run I fully intended to resist the urge to the end, instead I ended up succumbing to it, and I find rather...endearing, that Bhaal of all gods would not give up on you and still try to make you return to the 'family' even after you resist the urges, when he could simply consider you lost and settle with Orin.
@@Abimin100 he knows deep down you're the better sibling 🥺
@@Saretz ikr, and I find myself not wanting to dissapoint him, lol
@@Abimin100 good slayer 😊😊, there will be a treat for you
Astarion really has the most poignant discussion about this
I know right? Much more developed
It's because he can relate to it the most. He is the only one in the party who knows what it's like to be enslaved.@@Saretz
@@kyledunlop7909I'd say Karlach was also enslaved though, albeit for much less time I suppose
I mean, most of your party was enslaved at some point, just for varying amounts of time.
Astarion - 170 years
Shadowheart - Ambiguous as she can't remember, but judging by her Mother Superiors notes at least 40 years
Gale - I'm counting him, considering it's heavily suggested Mystra groomed him, but the duration is left ambiguous
Karlach - 10 years, plus however long she worked for Gortash before
Wyll - several years, I'm not sure anyone states the exact duration
Halsin - 3 years
Jaheira & Minsc - I don't remember if Baldur's Gate 2 states how long that period was, but the game starts with Irenicus having captured them some time ago, mostly because of Gorion's Ward
That's eight. Eight out of eleven party members
@@ezekielbaskerville2710 True I suppose
Astarion: I knew you had some nasty habits, but I didn't want to pry overmuch.
Also Astarion, 2 Acts Earlier: Usually it's taboo to talk about nasty thoughts like this, but please continue...
But it's so nice to see how much he's grown as his own person and how he's grown to care for the player character. His response is a far cry from him telling you to "play your nasty hand for all it's worth."
They all do have some growth throughout the game, but yeah Astarion in particular changes quite a bit
Durge: I’m a Bhaalspawn.
Wyll: Oh no that’s terrible
Karlach: You’ll make the right decision
La’zael: Don’t be a pussy
Gale: Gosh
Astarion: Twinsies, us spawns ride or die, you got this bro
Minthara: That’s tight af, high five
😂
No mention of Minsc or Jaheira being ready to gank you on your cot.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper I think back when I recorded this, for some reason I got 0 comments back from Jaheira, although she showed up at night for the usual scene
I don't believe it's possible to get Minsc though before this cutscene triggers unfortunately
I lost it at Gale's "Gosh" 💀💀
I never thought I would be openly weeping from a scene in a video game until I had that interaction with astarion
Goes deep
Astarion is so wholesome with a Dark Urge best friend or lover. Spawn Astarion and Durge is literally the greatest romance in the game. He's so supportive, bless him.
*SPOILERS BELOW*
Incidentally, does anyone believe Dark Urge is immortal? Obviously, other Bhaalspawn were conceived with mortal women, but Durge was different and created from Bhaal alone. And after resurrection (if rejecting Bhaal) you are told that you will not succumb to death as long as your godly companion (iykyk) 'Withers' endures.
I absolutely agree, Astarion has THE more/better developed relationship with Durge, regardless of statuses, so many wholesome moments.
And to answer your question, obviously we can only speculate, but that, to me, sounds like a good setup for the next adventure, I wouldn't mind a "power reset back to lvl 1" situation, if it helped start off a new series of games. The D&D universe has infinite potential for stories to be told.
@@Saretz Absolutely! I'd love to see some sequels to this game in particilar, with the characters we've come to know and love (and some new ones). I'd love an adventure to Avernus to get Karlach back for example. Or perhaps to find a cure for Astarion's sun allergy along the way.
@@jenni5104 Yep! Basically every main companion's ending has a good setup for a whole new game, just think of a story where Gale actually loses it after obtaining ... Lae'zel fighting to free her people, Karlach's Avernus quest, so on and so forth, I don't want to spoil everything to other possible readers 👀. Unfortunately though, can only dream of these things :c
@@c_c7844 Yeah it's very evident in the final product that stuff is missing and I understand why as well, it's still a bit sad though, some of their replies here for example can be summed to "oof, that's rough buddy" xd. But I am confident we will see more down the line in the next few months, once they're done fixing the majority of issues and bugs.
@@c_c7844 Indeed, I have done some reading on it, unfortunately I think it would have taken at least another year of development to get the full experience, so I understand why they made the decision. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure they released one month earlier because of starfield, which is a shame, but again, quite understandable, while I'm not a fan of the game, it would have hindered their sales.
Man, Minthara really is a "ride or die" companion isn't she?
Yep
If you deny Bhaal to the end, Withers actually has another line where he basically insults Bhaal and congratulates you on denying him for so long.
yep
Durge: I'M THE CHILD OF THE LITERAL INCARNATION OF MURDER!
Companions: Wack.
😂
it's a bummer you only get these comments if the vision comes to you at camp. I got the vision while traveling and had no option to discuss with my companions. I got the same Wyll and Lae'zel reactions after the Gortash reveal, but everyone else reacted with way more anger finding out during that scene (probably because of the other bombshell Gortash drops on you there)
Interesting though that it can happen differently, or not happen at all! I wonder what are the triggers behind it. Were you resisting the urge in your run? I was
@@SaretzAct 3 allows you to run without proper rests for longer. I crossed Wyrm Rock, fainted there and the scene triggered.
@@AnastasiaAisling yep, had the same in my third run, on evil durge
The games wants you to know that you are Bhaalspawn before you meet with Gortash, hence the random fainting.
@@grymmoire I rested in act 3 once before crossing the bridge into the city but a different cutscene took precedence over the bhaalspawn one. I cant imagine needing to rest more than once in that area, and the method of getting across the bridge I took basically funnelled me into meeting Gortash. The developers really need to tweak the order of act 3 camp cutscenes i think 😅
this is why i don't like when people say astarion is evil. who he becomes is very much dependent on who you choose to be, but for a supposedly 'evil' character, he has more empathy and understanding than several of your other companions.
@@jamesherb4384 I'd like to agree, but at the same time, keep in mind vampire spawns are of evil alignments (any) by d&d rules, so that's kinda his nature. Now, that doesn't mean he was evil before turning, neither that he can't change, but ... yeah
darn i didn't have this dream trigger in a sleep so the companions couldnt comment on it ;o; so thanks for this!!
You are most welcome!
Unless it was deliberate they misquoted Nietzsche. The original Baldur's Gate begins with those lines, and had it correct:
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does *not* become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Probably just took some creative liberty in rephrasing, I'd guess
It is likely deliberate. Sceleritas Fel is telling you to embrace the Urge and become the monster that lacerates this world.
Your butler spends the whole game trying to convince his master to go back into the abyss and this quote is just another attempt.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149mmmm
"I don't know how you can beat him. But I do know this. YOU *MUST TRY!"*
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I love how Minthara relishes in the thought of travelling with a bhal spawn
Ikr
Карлах даже в такой ситуации умудряется нас потдерживать... блин... как это мило т-т
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I think one of the reasons the devs added the possibility to play with other characters besides the Dark Urge is because some of us Baldurian Veterans might just be tired of the same "I'm a Bhaal spawn" for a third time and I know some people enjoy making an evil run for the lolz but evil for laughs or for evil sake is not my cup of tea.
That is exactly what I was telling a friend of mine a few days ago!
It's also something Larian has done for quite some time. In DOS2, you could play as any of the characters in the group as your origin character or make a completely custom character (a Tav of sorts).
This game feels like a combination of the classic formula of BG and Larian's own DNA.
Whilst I'm a ride-or-die when it comes to Karlach romance option wise, I tend to headcanon Astarion as my Dragonborn Dark Urge's best friend after speaking to him about the vision. He isn't wrong to say the both of them are pretty much in the same boat. And I cannot agree with his words anymore then I already do. Especially since I went with a Good Dark Urge run who has been fighting the bloodlust.
TBH, I find it's more fun if Gortash explains who Durge is.
It has a bit more of a surprise effect maybe
For me I faint and get the vision the moment i enter WyrmRock
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4545 Durge remembers who they are upon reaching wyrms rock, but telling your party is totally optional. So their reactions are a bit... angry xD
@@westenev Wyrmrock is a fail safe trigger, to make sure you've seen the cutscene beforr meeting Gortash, alternatively it happens when going to sleep still in Rivington (like in the video)
I was very bothered how major events/twists like this didn't provoke more dialogue with the companions. 😔They might say something quite huge and you've no option to respond or talk to them about it. I mean, the companions get to unburden themselves on Durge/Tav, but our character get hardly any options to do the same. I understand it can't be custom made, since it's a dialogue tree, but some options would've been nice, like what they did in the Astarion conversation. He actually asked how we felt about it! I really wished my other companions had asked something and not just... made a slightly stunned statement.
Gale's was the most underwhelming, so I can't imagine romancing him as a Durge x.x "Gosh. Better be careful." GEE, THANKS DEAR. 😂 That's the most generic, understated reaction possible, I think.
Then there's Wyll*, who just kinda preaches a heroic speech at you and isn't interested in how you feel at all. Out of all the characters, only Astarion (whether or not you've romanced him) gives enough of a shit. :S
They've added dialogue in the past (like in patch 5) so I really hope they polish up these things over time. 😓
**Side-rant on Wyll, because this is an issue with him overall: I romanced him when I was playing my first Durge, cus I thought it'd be an interesting dynamic to have a Durge villain arc alongside Wyll, I thought it'd be a great tragedy and that he'd react... more to it. But it's like his resolve is hardly moved by anything. It was very disappointing, all the way to the end of their romance. They really did his character dirty by not putting in more effort. It almost feels like a case of "Model Minority"... because he's seemingly completely unflawed? All his problems and challenges appear to be external, while internally he doesn't go through any changes. He is the same dude in Act 3 as he was in Act 1. Even when he's confronted with his FATHER who exiled him, he's still super chill and has no difficulty getting past it, and there's hardly ANY emotion in response to whatever his father says. He's all like "Dad, it's cool, really, I understand, you couldn't have known :) seriously, I don't feel anything. so anyway"
I feel like the problem with Wyll came from their sudden decision to (rightly so) rewrite his story, as he already wasn't pleasing people in early access, so that might be why he is that way unfortunately
Wyll is such an aggravating character because even as he currently is, there is a lot of potential for him to be interesting. I actually do think he's flawed in how he criticizes others who compromise themselves and their well-being for the greater good. Snorting the tadpoles, for example, in my run was not because I wanted the "cool Illithid domination powers!" but because I wanted to be stronger and more persuasive so I could do everything in my power to protect my companions. Wyll frowned upon decisions like that despite y'know selling his SOUL for the greater good. Maybe it's because he sees himself when characters sacrifice those important pieces of themselves and I think that's great writing ...But I wish we could actually CONFRONT him about this! Instead, he just gets to make really self-righteous comments without ever actually letting us pushback???
@@_lionheart_ Agreed
I'm sorry but I can't help but wonder what Minthara's intentions are in trying to convince you to accept Bhaal. it might seem like a simple power grab thing but is she really that simple or does she plan to help you do something grander like eventually usurp Bhaal or something? it's just a thought that crossed my mind.
You aren't wrong at all, Minthara isn't just some simpleton, she tells you a lot about her past and the environment she grew in, it was all about power, wit and violence, so you are definitely asking good questions. There are partial answers to them in her romance's epilogue dialogues (posted those videos on my channel as well) - but we can't see further in the future than that, can only speculate
She wants you to be as powerful as possible, at least as romance partner. Her ambition is conquest. I had an Astarion origin game and she urged me to ascend. And in epilogue all of her options led to conquest, making you a beautiful king, with her at your side as queen.
@@dianabialaskahansen2972Pretty much, well summed
It’s just a power thing. She wants shadow heart to accept shar in act 2 as well.
@@G26_10 That's odd, I think mine was happier that she didn't, but could be recalling wrong
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Withers probably doesn't comment on it because he's waiting to see what Durge decides to do about it without his influence. If Durge chooses the good path, the homie has our back
That's definitely a possibility
Im beyond confused because i cant run the game. Do the first 2 games mot matter anymore? Bhaals ecessence was either destroyed or absorbed by the player character at the end of game 2 making them the new god or goddess of murder.
Is the new PC a difrent person or not? Do thevorigional masterpices eveb matter anymore?
Sadly I have only played the first game, I can't comment much on the lore or whatnot. My only assumption is the whole bhaalspawns things is a repeating cycle, but do feel free to correct me, I'm really just theorising
@@Saretz Within the D&D canon (basically, what the rulebooks have made official and not what can happen in the game), Bhaal's resurrection was apparently stopped with Throne of Bhaal by destroying his essence BUT there was another surviving Bhaalspawn besides the MC (and Imoen). Many years later, like 30 or so, that same Bhaalspawn attacked the BG1&2 MC in the middle of the city. Nobody knows what happened exactly in the battle of the two, but a monster arose from the winner and was later defeated. Defeating it essentially gave the push needed for Bhaal to return, but much diminished and not nearly as strong as he would have been with a perfect resurrection. He is now a quasi-god, which means he is mortal despite his deity status.
Basically, the canon answer is: Bhaal's essence was thought destroyed, but enough survived for events to trigger an imperfect resurrection anyway.
@@AlcheaNemesis That's very informative, thank you for letting me know! I'm considering uploading the "Tribunal of Murder" from BG3, I don't know if I'm spoiling you anything so I'll leave it there, but if you know what I'm talking about, I'd like to know if that is also canonically possible/correct.
Do Halsin, Jaheira and Minsc not react to the news at all?
Didn't have Halsin in party at the time, but I remember Jaheira saying nothing after this - Minsc reaction is impossible to get, since this cutscene will always be a forced trigger way before you can recruit him
Wait, what about halsin? 😐😐😐😐😐
Didn't have him in the party at the time, or another run with it, video's 6 months old so not enough playthroughs nor the changes to Minthara recruitment
i just played this scene for myself about 10 minutes ago and halsin’s reaction was pretty much “damn, you should be careful who you tell about this.” i found it to be one of the more underwhelming reactions
@@gothdad420I guess that saves me some effort, xD