With this two videos about Metabo and Hikoki you preety much covered everything good job! 👍 When you're reviewing plunge saws one important thing is missing in my opinion. When you clamp the track, make a cut at 90° all the way, and then without moving the track, cut again but with 45° and only half way. If two cut lines meet we're home, if not it's going to couse problems.
I checked my Table saw, 7.25 inch circular and miter saw. All 36v tools and all have a brake. The brake works with both the battery and the AC converter. Wonder why this saw isn't braking with the AC converter. I'm in the NA market, so Metabo HPT for me.
Probably because it's a German metabo saw that was never initially designed to brake using the AC adapter. And for the record, the 36v angle grinders also don't brake using the adapter. There's even a warning about it in the manual.
awesome, another track saw review, love them! And of course can't wait for the big showdown between all of them :) that metabo 5.5ah pack uses 3ah cells so it is basically a 6ah pack, they just limit it to 5.5ah so it doesn't exceed 99Wh for air shipping. And since it uses 3Ah cells it is indeed more powerful then other ones :)
@riba2233 So the 5.5 an use 3ah cells. What does the 8 ah and 10 ah use? I read someone stated the 10ah runs at 10 whilst the 8 runs at 30 and the 5.5 runs at 35 whether that is watt hour I'm not sure. I cannot remember the exact wording. I understand its how the battery communicates with the machine which determines the output of power running on the machine. Drawing more current.
@@ron1martens 8ah uses samsung 40t 4ah cells, and 10ah uses 5ah Samsung 50s cells. 3ah cells are very powerful, around 40-50amps, 4ah have decent power, 30-35amps, and 5ah ones are relatively weak at 20-25 amps.
The issue with the AC adapter is probably to do with something like using the motor as a generator to brake. This works with a battery because the battery can absorb the power, but you can't shove the pixies back in the wall. Just my guess.
Nicely done to show Metabo comparison with Milwaukee earlier, and now say Hikoki is the same as Metabo, only has more power! This way you said what you thought earlier about Hikoki and they can shove their criticism policies up their a.. :)
Ten adapter AC ma soft start żeby nie wybijać bezpieczników i na start daje mały prąd dlatego elektronika w Pile ma za mało prądu w kondensatorach elektroniki falownika aby móc wyzwolić hamulec!
Has anyone noticed how similar the new Hilti track saw is to both of these? Again, different battery platform but the body etc looks identical. Haven’t directly compared them though as haven’t seen the Hilti at close quarters. I think (with Hilti) you’ll pay over the odds. Anyone else noticed this?
I'm heavily invested in both platforms cause at the time the Hikoki wasn't available so I went for the Metabo and got loads of 5.5ah batteries second hand. I find that the multivolts batteries 2.5ah are shit.. at least 10+ have been returned because of faulty BMS boards on them,I had not yet had one CAS gone wrong. Also my Hikoki 36v mitre saw is way too heavy to be loading in/out the van on a daily basis so now I'd sell it and go for the new brushless 216 Metabo almost half the weight. Great informative video subscribed.
@@user-ii8dz4vu7n Cargo ships take 3 months to sail from Asia to Europe , they also need to distribute those tools to every shop , before starting to promote it . Makita put officially out 18v DAS blower this month , here in Finland , seem to be very popular , ordered one comes next month , it run out of stock , between me looking that they have 3 left to me finishing the order .
The brake function, which provides a quick reverse current, seems to be easily achievable for DC-powered tools. However, it might be too complex and costly to make it in an AC-DC converter, just my guess. Interestingly, some Festool 220V tools have the brake function, while their 110V versions do not. During a Festool USA live, it was mentioned that the development of the brake function faced difficulties and was challenging to resolve without changing the tool's profile.
Corded Makita mitre saws have had brakes for at least 10 years so it can't be too hard. Thanks for commenting, haven't seen you in a while. Have you seen the new Mafell router?
Hello. I noticed that when you touch the saw it wobbles. I just bought the same Hikoki and it also wobbles, looks like they have a problem with the bottom base. It also wobbles when it is installed on the guide rail. Have you noticed any problems with this? What are the consequences of cutting?
Been eyeing the hikoki as all the rest of my kit is hikoki. The only missing piece has been a track saw, currently have a Makita (which is a good saw) Just a pitty we can,t get our hands on it yet.
Got it. If I have to choose from these two, I'll pick Festool. Or, I could simply use the one I already have and rarely have used for almost 20 years...
Im on both battery platforms but i dont use either saw . I have the Mafell cordless which i run 8 & 10ah Metabo batteries in ,which is just the best cordless plunge saw by a mile . I run the 36v Hikoki batteries in nailers and the impact driver everything else i run Festool. I don't think either saw offers value unless your heavily invested in that platform and must have a cordless track saw . I have an old corded Festool ts55 which i abuse , cutting resin impregnated shuttering ply and cement board thinking i don't want to ruin my shiny new Mafell and the old Festool (12 years) just wont die. These low end saws are great for breaking down sheet material but if i was starting and couldn't afford the cordless Mafell or Festool I'd just buy the corded version , failing that I'd just ran a cordless circular saw on a rail adaptor for breaking down sheets with no power . I think it says a lot that im on both battery platforms and wouldn't consider either ...
Google off course had it wrong. It is called "FÜHRUNGSSCHIENE" not "Führungssystem" ! A " Führungssystem" in German would be considered more of a mechanism that works, at least partly, on itself or a whole system of several guide rails, attachments, aso... In short, saw plus guide rail = a cutting system, guide rail = just a guide rail. I would opt for the Hikoi. One more thing, to annoy the c... out of you 😂, you slide your hand down on the handle of a Metabo drill, than you push with the downwards pointing palm of your hand the red button on the back of the tool and pull, with the other hand the battery off!
Festool has FS so they copied that , but Metabo use Mafell tracks . Bosch has different , on track/off track indicator , copied blade change system from Festool , but uses Mafell tracks . Mafell has best blade change system , blade cover tilts down , i dont think anyone else has that , no need of a silly hole on side , from where half of saw dust escapes .
With this two videos about Metabo and Hikoki you preety much covered everything good job! 👍 When you're reviewing plunge saws one important thing is missing in my opinion. When you clamp the track, make a cut at 90° all the way, and then without moving the track, cut again but with 45° and only half way. If two cut lines meet we're home, if not it's going to couse problems.
Nice one! Thanks for showing these. I may have missed it, but do they have the 1mm score cut switch like the Makita and Mafell?
No they don't unfortunately.
I checked my Table saw, 7.25 inch circular and miter saw. All 36v tools and all have a brake. The brake works with both the battery and the AC converter. Wonder why this saw isn't braking with the AC converter. I'm in the NA market, so Metabo HPT for me.
Probably because it's a German metabo saw that was never initially designed to brake using the AC adapter. And for the record, the 36v angle grinders also don't brake using the adapter. There's even a warning about it in the manual.
You think this saw is German?
awesome, another track saw review, love them! And of course can't wait for the big showdown between all of them :)
that metabo 5.5ah pack uses 3ah cells so it is basically a 6ah pack, they just limit it to 5.5ah so it doesn't exceed 99Wh for air shipping. And since it uses 3Ah cells it is indeed more powerful then other ones :)
@riba2233 So the 5.5 an use 3ah cells. What does the 8 ah and 10 ah use? I read someone stated the 10ah runs at 10 whilst the 8 runs at 30 and the 5.5 runs at 35 whether that is watt hour I'm not sure. I cannot remember the exact wording. I understand its how the battery communicates with the machine which determines the output of power running on the machine. Drawing more current.
@@ron1martens 8ah uses samsung 40t 4ah cells, and 10ah uses 5ah Samsung 50s cells. 3ah cells are very powerful, around 40-50amps, 4ah have decent power, 30-35amps, and 5ah ones are relatively weak at 20-25 amps.
Does the Hikoki track saw work (and work well) on the Bosch guide rails?
The issue with the AC adapter is probably to do with something like using the motor as a generator to brake. This works with a battery because the battery can absorb the power, but you can't shove the pixies back in the wall. Just my guess.
The adapter also has less power than a battery.
You can shove the pixies back in the wall. Devices often dump load back into the mains
@@kizzjd9578 it is rated at 2kw, higher than any of their batteries.
@@kizzjd9578 not in all applications
The same thing also happens with the 230mm (9") angle grinder.
Nicely done to show Metabo comparison with Milwaukee earlier, and now say Hikoki is the same as Metabo, only has more power! This way you said what you thought earlier about Hikoki and they can shove their criticism policies up their a.. :)
Im curious if that top connector would work with Makita, festool, mikwaikee, etc tracks. It seems like a much better design
It won’t, only works on Metabo/ Hikoki, Bosch and Mafell tracks
Ten adapter AC ma soft start żeby nie wybijać bezpieczników i na start daje mały prąd dlatego elektronika w Pile ma za mało prądu w kondensatorach elektroniki falownika aby móc wyzwolić hamulec!
AH! Waiting for that Hikoi in the states as MetaboHPT is KILLING ME!😅
They're not available in Europe, yet as well.
is there a hikoki vs the milwaukee vs power?
Does it have the anti tilt device for 45°?
Has anyone noticed how similar the new Hilti track saw is to both of these? Again, different battery platform but the body etc looks identical. Haven’t directly compared them though as haven’t seen the Hilti at close quarters. I think (with Hilti) you’ll pay over the odds. Anyone else noticed this?
I'm heavily invested in both platforms cause at the time the Hikoki wasn't available so I went for the Metabo and got loads of 5.5ah batteries second hand. I find that the multivolts batteries 2.5ah are shit.. at least 10+ have been returned because of faulty BMS boards on them,I had not yet had one CAS gone wrong. Also my Hikoki 36v mitre saw is way too heavy to be loading in/out the van on a daily basis so now I'd sell it and go for the new brushless 216 Metabo almost half the weight. Great informative video subscribed.
Cannot find this HPT track saw anywhere in Canada.
Sad.
The review is great! I would say the best in all the track saw review I have went through!
Finally in stock at Atlas tools in Canada.
@@chorps88 shoot. Got the milwaukee few months ago.
@@chorps88 thanks
Thanks for this! 👊
No probs
Does the HiKOKI GR1600 works with Festool FS800
Looking forward to see this as the metabo hpt track saw in the United states.
Invaluable information dude. I am tossing up between one of these or Milwaukee. There are big deals on these in shops atm.
I think the Milwaukee is a better unit. th-cam.com/video/O6XNdZq23hQ/w-d-xo.html
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Iv been using it for a month now, Iv nothing to compare it to, however it's a beast 👍
Hey tools, what’s your thoughts Hikoki vs festool?
Tools , do you know if Metabo HPT is releasing this track saw. I’ve looked online to no avails. Any info would be appreciated !
I can't tell you 100%, but I think they will be.
Right now it's only available in NZ. No idea when it's going to be released elsewhere
@@user-ii8dz4vu7n Cargo ships take 3 months to sail from Asia to Europe , they also need to distribute those tools to every shop , before starting to promote it .
Makita put officially out 18v DAS blower this month , here in Finland , seem to be very popular , ordered one comes next month , it run out of stock , between me looking that they have 3 left to me finishing the order .
The brake function, which provides a quick reverse current, seems to be easily achievable for DC-powered tools. However, it might be too complex and costly to make it in an AC-DC converter, just my guess. Interestingly, some Festool 220V tools have the brake function, while their 110V versions do not. During a Festool USA live, it was mentioned that the development of the brake function faced difficulties and was challenging to resolve without changing the tool's profile.
Corded Makita mitre saws have had brakes for at least 10 years so it can't be too hard. Thanks for commenting, haven't seen you in a while. Have you seen the new Mafell router?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Yes, it's amazing, definitely will buy it, but can't find the price yet, hope not too exorbitant
I know piranha tools have ordered them but Gaston still doesn't know the price.
They expect in September to run out the factories and the price in the netherlands is set 785 euros, just fyi.
Ouch!
all cordless tool must have same battery. need laws force them into new battery for every single tool create from now on.
Hello. I noticed that when you touch the saw it wobbles. I just bought the same Hikoki and it also wobbles, looks like they have a problem with the bottom base. It also wobbles when it is installed on the guide rail. Have you noticed any problems with this? What are the consequences of cutting?
Did you tighten the cam dial to the rail?
No riving knife?
Nah
I cant wait to swap my makita x2 plunge saw for that Hikoki.
Makita XGT💪
The xgt makita is so much better then 18x2 it cuts so much quicker and has less blade deflection
don't, get the XGT makita version.
I sold all my lxt, all i have is metabo hpt and m12 now, no point in having one Makita tool anymore
@@contax50mm why lol, what was wrong with lxt and why did you choose hpt over xgt?
Been eyeing the hikoki as all the rest of my kit is hikoki. The only missing piece has been a track saw, currently have a Makita (which is a good saw)
Just a pitty we can,t get our hands on it yet.
The Vac remote is upside down because China uses the same plug style but opposite way up compared to AU/NZ
Best Festool👍👍👍
You can’t get hikoki in inches right?
If they release it as Metabo HPT then it will be in inches.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL seems like they are behind or not focused at all in metabo hpt releases
2.5m is not an odd size. It's the standard hight of every room in Europe.
Got it. If I have to choose from these two, I'll pick Festool.
Or, I could simply use the one I already have and rarely have used for almost 20 years...
Im on both battery platforms but i dont use either saw . I have the Mafell cordless which i run 8 & 10ah Metabo batteries in ,which is just the best cordless plunge saw by a mile . I run the 36v Hikoki batteries in nailers and the impact driver everything else i run Festool. I don't think either saw offers value unless your heavily invested in that platform and must have a cordless track saw . I have an old corded Festool ts55 which i abuse , cutting resin impregnated shuttering ply and cement board thinking i don't want to ruin my shiny new Mafell and the old Festool (12 years) just wont die. These low end saws are great for breaking down sheet material but if i was starting and couldn't afford the cordless Mafell or Festool I'd just buy the corded version , failing that I'd just ran a cordless circular saw on a rail adaptor for breaking down sheets with no power . I think it says a lot that im on both battery platforms and wouldn't consider either ...
Google off course had it wrong. It is called "FÜHRUNGSSCHIENE" not "Führungssystem" ! A " Führungssystem" in German would be considered more of a mechanism that works, at least partly, on itself or a whole system of several guide rails, attachments, aso... In short, saw plus guide rail = a cutting system, guide rail = just a guide rail.
I would opt for the Hikoi. One more thing, to annoy the c... out of you 😂, you slide your hand down on the handle of a Metabo drill, than you push with the downwards pointing palm of your hand the red button on the back of the tool and pull, with the other hand the battery off!
Festool has FS so they copied that , but Metabo use Mafell tracks .
Bosch has different , on track/off track indicator , copied blade change system from Festool , but uses Mafell tracks .
Mafell has best blade change system , blade cover tilts down , i dont think anyone else has that , no need of a silly hole on side , from where half of saw dust escapes .
а разве не верна формула:
HIKOKI = METABO⁉️
Hikoki = Metabo HPT.
Metabo does not = Metabo HPT
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thanks ✊
FS would be Führungschiene not Führungssystem
please stop pronouncing Hitachi like it has a second t🤪
Please get your ears checked.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL ok I will or get better speakers but thanks for the vids your doing good stuff😄
Huh
Yeah u need a doc to check u out-yout hearing things
@@baseballdude8491 the doc put a light in my ear I saw it on the wall on the other side
@@toti-pals I had the same experience
Maybe you could borrow your wife Hitachi personal "messager" as it helped my wife hear better😂