Plunge Saw Showdown! Top 10 Best Saws Review
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So this is it, our best plunge cut track saw comparison test of the big players. Robin & Roger take the top plunge cut saws from Bosch, Dewalt, Erbauer, Festool, Mafell, Makita and Triton to see which one has the power and features of a champion.
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Love these showdowns, actually back watching this again 3 years later 😂 Would really like to see a portable table saw and vacuum/ dust exstraction showdown
Been running a Mafell MT55 for 6 years now. Solid piece of kit
The Bosch Saw is based on the Mafell,having the same Motor,but a few parts made of plastic instead of metal like at the Mafell.Greetings from Oberndorf (Home of Mafell)/Germany!!!
Great video guys. Just starting following your channel. I’m relatively new to carpentry, just finished my three year apprenticeship and your videos are really helpful. Only thing I would say is for beginners like myself some of the videos can be explained really quickly and get confusing (not this video) but other then that I love the channel and the videos 👍🏻
I got the mt55cc after seeing all your input on it, and all the people raving about it on FOG, ive never looked back. The mafell is absolutely incredible.
I thoroughly enjoyed this series of informative videos! and greatly appreciate your effort in putting them together. I purchased for myself the Mafell MT55cc, here, in the United States, from Timberwolf Tools. I could not be any happier with my purchase. I am glad I invested the extra money on the Mafell plunge saw. The fit, finish, and overall quality of their product is impressive. Money well spent!
Thank Scott
I am glad you can get it over there. Some Americans are saying they can;t find it.
I have the cordless Makita, really enjoy it. I never had a track saw before this and it has turned out to be extremely useful.
Thanks Roger and Robin for sharing your skills & advice👍
I have real need to buy a plunge saw but I watched this video (and many of your others) and enjoyed it. Top video guys.
Enjoyable reviews which helped me a great deal to decide so thank you both; finally plumped for the Bosch which will arrive tomorrow
The Festool TSC55 is an awesome machine - super powerful for a cordless tool and it has the antisplinter on the offcut side, which is nice. Mafell is a dream machine too for sheet goods. Ilike having a riving knife for solid timber, though. I am with Robin on the two choices. Great series and review!
I recently bought my first track saw and decided on the Mafell. It is definitely, transferable between the 2 different tracks. I just leave out the black blanking plate. I use the Festool track on my home made mft
Great comparison video gentlemen. Thank you.
Thanks guys, very informative. I recently got the corded Makita (made in England!)- very happy with it for my uses which is nice cuts on occasional tops/shelves etc and not used everyday. There is always a power point around so not bothered with cordless although I have many Makita 18V tools
Made in England? 2 years on, but my new sp6000 is made in China.
I have a Bosch plunge saw and I’m very happy with !!! Handles really nice !!! Easy to use !!! By the way nice video!!! Good luck !!!
one thing forgetting to mention. the Mafell dust extraction and build quality is absolutely impeccable and cannot be compared to ,, well any of the others including Festool on build.
I have used the Bosch, Dewalt and Festool. Value for performance was definitely the DeWalt. All models I used were corded. I don't see the value in a battery powered except for very application specific tasks which I don't do.
10:55 haha, Rogers face. Love it. A picture can paint a thousand words.
what face
Looking to buy Dewalt Track Saw the help was great ... Guys thanks
Awesome video like the look of the DeWalt.
i fit kitchens since 10 years ago and cut worktop with circular saw and str8 edge with the worktop upside down.for the last 2 years i used the makita cordless circular. never have i thought i need a plunge\track saw
I have the Festool 240v for 6 years now no drama at all, bought the 36v Mikita 4 weeks ago to go cordless on site and very happy with it. The Festool going in the workshop. Tip for you guys use the 1.5mm thick blade on the Festool and you will not need a more powerful motor the Festool blades are beefy
Got the festool corded for volume of work, and have the makita cordless as i have the makita system, what a beautiful cut with the fine kerf blade on the makita cordless great for cutting kitchen decor panels
Thank you for the delightful series.
The makita cordless is an absolute beast it cuts through 12 and 25mm corian like its nothing on an old blade last all day cutting. When I first watched this video I was abit unsure about the power but it blew my mind
I dont do a lot so I have an Erbauer and I have removed the kick back which I found to be a pain. Its a great machine for cross cutting plywood splinter free with the one touch lever which allows cutting at veneer scoring depth or full set depth without any adjustment.
Great video lads
From owning a lot of tools over the years, anything for cutting wood I buy only mafell, for sanding I buy mirka or some Festool, drilling/cordless I buy metabo mostly (interchanges with mafell cordless) extraction I buy star mix (no not the sweets) I used to have a lot more earlier Festool but they are nowhere near the quality they used to be, still use their dominos though
Very enjoyable and informative, thanks for all your hard work guys. Shame Milwaukee don’t do a track saw over here, I would have been interested to see how they compare.
End of the day I would agree with Robins choice. Too late in life for me now having just retired from a few different careers in life but I always had a yearning to be a real quality master carpenter like Robin, must be very rewarding.
The Mafell is the best. With that said I've been running the Ts75 for over a decade and it works great! I've had zero problems pushing through 12/4 hardwood
We are using 3 Bosch plunge saws and 1 Mafell, they are serious saws, people don't really look after them and after 4 years of abuse they are going very strong. Easy to recommend them, they use same track system.
Got the Maffel corded. I'm not trade but make a lot myself, kitchen cabinets from ply and oak at the moment and internal doors. I know I'm going to get a good clean cut with it everytime I take it out the box. Love it. Was going to buy the Bosch as I'm a bit of a Bosch fan boy but have strayed to the likes of Fein and Maffel lately and although I get on fine with my Bosch biscuit joiner I would love a Lamelo. Love your video's.
I’ve got a 230 volt corded Dewalt I bought several years ago, its powerful and gives a lovely clean cut, I mostly use it for cutting along the grain and cross grain on wood, never on man made boards, MDF or particle type boards such as work tops. I think I would get a cheap one for cutting those.
Why? You don't ruin the saw by cutting "man made wood" just chance the blade when it's dull
Thanks so much for the video! But all the same, makita sp6000 or dewalt 320k do you what to choose?
Really good video and very informative. Subscribed !!
Интересный обзор, спасибо ребята.
Great video, thanks guys...
Proper reviews made by people who walk the walk. So much better than the fake reviewers who just read the manufacturers specs and instruction sheets. Great job guys,.
great use of PPE there guys!
Evolution have brung out a track saw now for only £90 in screwfix and its 1600 watt. Loads of power .i bought one for chipboard flooring and plywood and it works on my old makita tracks a treat .splinter free cut only on one side tho .game changer
Hi Roger and Robin this was a great set of reviews and I agree with you that it comes down to personal taste and battery platforms. I have a corded Bosch and cordless Festool that I use for different things. I love the power of the Bosch and I have cut 50mm thick oak and beech with it. The Festool is great for indoors and for kitchen fitting. Unfortunately, to get speedy cuts you have to invest in several blades. Sometimes to get a finishing cut you have to cut to a rough line then skim a blade thickness off for a fine finish - all of which is time spent. The Dewalt looks great - but did you use the any direction rail? I saw it at a tool show in Bolton last year. What's next?
Superb reviews for a first-timer looking at a plunge saw! Thank you.
I plumped for The Erbauer, currently on Screwfix for £180 but no bag or case. I've spoken to a neighbour who has one too, and says its a fine machine for the price but finds the anti-kickback a pain.
Also
HOLZMANN TAS165 PRO.
Manufactured in Austria, according to Kendal Tools website.
Looks identical to the Erbauer.
Noto sure about anti-kickback knob I can see on the MachineMart pics - will double-check today.
Comes with a single 1.5m guide rail.
Packaged in a nifty flight case-type box.
£65 over the price of the Erbauer. Tempting...
Great review Gentlemen.
As a Newbie to this, expensive, hobby I have chosen I picked DeWalt for my Table Saw, Router and drills... they are the 18V XR range which seem just perfect for my use. I first used the Router last week and I did notice the 5A 18 V battery went flat quite quickly, so is the 54V backwards compatible with the 18 volt line?
Thanks guys, lovely chat 👍👍👍
Great review!
Great series I have watched all the videos. Am home DIY and mostly interested in the best one for dust collection by looking at those cutting shots I have noticed that Mafell & Bosch are the best with minimal dust escape. Can someone please comment on this based on experience?
Thanks for this useful review. I would have liked more comment about the dust extraction but no doubt this is covered in the individual reviews.
I agree that the TS55 can seem underpowered.
Cordless: any sign of the industry producing a standard power tool battery? I think that they would sell more tools if they did.
Had the corded festool for 9 years never missed a beat and it’s used most days all day. I want a cordless now but not to sure on the festool cordless.
I got the dewalt with 3 meter track from my tool shed £699 inc vat cheapest I could find, great saw, only thing I can say is make sure the material you are cutting is well supported as it tends to spring back into place once you finish your cut, still think I bought the best one, Robins eyes looking at it 👀 the whole time lol
you use the track alignment to plunge with the dewalt. go a corded on and had it for years it also has anti kickback. i always use one handed and never had a problem in the several years ive had it
I had the festool but I replaced with the mafell and I love it!
Thanks for the Video clip! Apologies for chiming in, I would appreciate your opinion. Have you ever tried - Schallingora Dexterous Programme Scheme (should be on google have a look)? It is a great one of a kind product for taking a drawing and turning it into wood without the normal expense. Ive heard some extraordinary things about it and my close friend Aubrey got astronomical success with it.
Same here. Mafell is a great saw. Nothing better on fit and finish
I would go for the bosch as it has similar features and great joining tracks as the mafell but at a more affordable price.
The Bosch is a great plunge saw. It's the one I used before trading it in for the Mafell. It never let me down, gave good results working all day long and, like you said, the tracks are great. Still use my Bosch rails with the Mafell saw in fact. Shame Skillbuilder got a duff/bent one. Gonna put people off a really decent saw I imagine. Only went for Mafell as I change blades so often, the Mafell makes it easy - and you can zero in the different blades too.
Very entertaining.
I can’t give anyone a greater compliment than that.
Well done fellas.
Mafell all the way. Give it some Roger! @17.46
So we have winner power of dewalt, in festool housing on mafell track ( particular flex one) on enbauer price
I think I was probably one of the first tradesmen in the UK to own and use a track saw everyone would always ask me "what the heck is that thing" and I bought and still use the Festool TS55, all of the other companies ripped Festool off in my opinion, I still use a TS55 the current one I've had about 8-9 years and my god it's certainly earned its keep! I would say it was primarily designed by Festool for repeat ripping of sheet material and it does that very very well but also I use mine for occasional sink cut outs and hob cut outs and its excellent for that too but like any tool you need a decent quality sharp blade and it will happily cut through thicker material like kitchen worktops with ease and provide a razor sharp cut! Hardwoods like Oak not so much in my experience but I rarely cut through Oak unless I'm using the tool to trim off internal doors and in this case I use a good blade and do two passes, it really doesn't make that much difference in time, I've generally found that when you get machines that are bigger more powerful for regularly doing long rips of thicker harder material they tend to get more bulky and heavy, I like the 55 because it's so lightweight and that is often overlooked... and full time pro's will especially appreciate that point but I think if I were regularly doing "repeated long rips" of something like 3/4 WBP or inch WBP I would buy the Festool TS75 it's a beast and it will always be your reliable partner! I don't rate all Festool stuff but these two saws the 55 and the 75 are all you would ever need IMHO and they will last for years and years, I'm not sure about cordless it sounds convenient but you've still got an extraction hose so I'm not entirely seeing the benefit unless you have no power on site? Plus a cordless tool would be much heavier due to the batteries especially with some having two! I don't use a cordless track saw myself maybe I will in future and I guess the extraction must work via Bluetooth something like that? So would need a Bluetooth type extractor... I personally wouldn't recommend using a track saw without extraction except for maybe a short rip just to trim something as the track will clog up quite quickly and potentially snag the saw, I would certainly consider the Mafell as I always check out the competition when selecting tools but not much can beat the proven track record that I already have had with Festool spanning many many years, I do use other brands of course but only because they never let me down and they live up to my high expectations.
Rob
What a great review. We would have loved to get you on video. Your comments are priceless.
@@SkillBuilder You're very welcome, I tried to provide some honest feedback on my own experience with a track saw in the hope that someone might find it helpful, I've used track saws in various industries from construction to boat building, kitchen fitting, shop fitting, flooring... suffice to say I've put them through their paces and I've been doing this kind of work for about 35 years and using track saws ever since the Festool TS55 first hit the shops
I thought that your shall we say "presentation" of the various tools was spot on, we all know that there are good tools and not so good tools but rarely do I find is there one tool thats king of everything that one would encounter, that said we do need to choose something that is as close as possible to meet our needs and in this case for me the Festool gets the job done and it keeps on going, I do have a soft spot for Makita tools and Dewalt and that Mafell looks good too, it's a tough choice!
Went with the makita corded. Purely on the the fact it was the cheapest of the big brands. Decent machine.
Great review….thanks
We shuttering boys use old school circliar saws with a ply straightedge screwed into the work piece. RAF but you've been there yourself, admit it! And yes, I did write circliar! 😜
I use a 25 year old Elu track saw, for 10 years now I have been saying I will replace it with a better one, but it needs to die first. Sadly it is an Elu, it will never die.
I had Elu tools and never ever had not even one problem but was stolen. Then Black&Decker bought Elu and DeWalt. Elu disapeared from market and DeWalt is far away behind Elu quality
I got a and old Elu planer 25 plus years old and going strong!!!
I hear what your saying, love Elu, I'm still using a 20+ year old Elu router, just as good as the first day when I bought it, not a single repair or new part except bases. Shane dewalt bought them out.
tapsulinka Black & Decker bought DeWalt in 1960 - are you really remembering DeWalt from pre B&D ownership days? They bought Elu in 1984, so it’s far more plausible you remember Elu from before that. At the end DeWalt and Elu were are tools, different branding. It was cheaper to promote just one brand, not two and that was why Elu all but disappeared (I think it was kept on a few tools).
I have the cordless makita, I only have 5ah batteries. The tool has plenty of power with these batteries. Recently made 7 x 620mm long cuts through 38mm beech worktops in one pass with no troubles and still has power left.
Literally just read a review on amazon about a bosch planer at the same time you mentioned the plate on the bosch you're reviewing not being flat. Seems to be a problem which for certain bosch tools will be a problem, glad I watched this.
Owners of the Bosch tool tell us it will straighten if you undo the screws and let it relax.
The dewalt does have little indends on the side of the saw to tell you where the blade will finish at full depth, its not brilliant but it is there.
I'm looking for a track saw and have watched this series with great interest. If there is one area that i think it lacked it is the accuracy of angled cuts produced, how good are they at 90 and 45 ( and any other presets ) degrees on the factory preset stops. It would have been helpful to see thick timber cut and measured with something like a digital protractor. I work as a precision engineer and woodwork is more of a hobby but I would rather pay for a better tool and know that it will always make me smile using it.
If you crave absolute accuracy then the Mafell is your choice. It will make you smile continually.
Had my dewalt since they first came out. Great tool and every time I use it pure pleasure. Don’t want cords on a plunge saw.
Hi Mark, any thoughts on the DeWalt for second fix? Got a birch ply wardrobe to build soon and wondering if it would be a good option
I would love to say Mafell, but mine died after just over 3 years of light weekend use. Because it failed a few weeks outside warranty the cost of repair meant I was better off buying another saw, which for something that was supposed to be such good quality felt like a real let down. I now have the Bosch saw, as it runs on the same tracks & my faith in Mafell is very much dented. Maybe I was unlucky, but I would think twice before buying Mafell.
Used to use corded Festool for a few months about 7 years ago and then again 3 or 4 years back, must say got used to it and never had an issue with that, but then after not having used a track saw for some years, took a Makita for a couple of days and I didn't like it - it just felt rubbish, didn't sit nice in the hands, prone to kickback, plunge depth was not as easy to use as Festool. I wouldn't buy a Makita even though I have a lot of their tools and a few batteries as well. I would probably go for a corded Festool anyway. Regadring battery powered, I honestly think batteries are not quite there yet, you either have to have a whole lot of them for saws are vacuum cleaners or drill hammers or whatever which weighs a lot and you have to carry it around everywhere or have fewer batteries but a couple of chargers, but that means you have to have an outlet somewhere, therefore, you could've just gone for a corded tool - it's cheaper and in many ways more practical.
Great series. I was looking at getting a Festool myself but you've convinced me to have a look at the Mafell before I commit. Thanks!
Make you right Mark. feel like I know you somehow.
I like the dewalt...big price for battery versions though. Probably go with corded, Bosch looks great too, makita solid!
Thanks for shereing 😊😊
I have two Mafell saws. The MT55... and their KSS-300 with the roll up track. Great machines, and I'll never be without either one. Well done Mafell.
But it's like I'm living in a Twilight Zone episode because... nobody says a word about _every single one of these saws_ being LEFT-HANDED. Designed for left handed use... every one!
Even while _hurdle-jumping_ saw horses or _knee-climbing_ up onto the workpiece, or walking _cross-armed_ the entire length of a rip... NOBODY steps back and says _"Hey, wouldn't it be nice if they made a right-handed version???"_
Why do they make them Left Handed ??????? it's MAD
@@boris1cat Excellent question. I have no idea but it would be nice if they didn't.
I have the same two Mafell saws and they are just superb. I use the KSS300 95% of the time over the 55. Just so much lighter and more portable. Getting the cordless 300 next. Plus, I'm left-handed!
18v Planers sometime soon? Dip down into 10-12v (whichever way they market them) tools? 😀👍 Happy New Year.
I have the Bosch love the power 42mm solid oak cuts one pass no messing Mafell tracks easy to use I was going to upgrade to the real mafell due to having the twisted base but as many people realised now need to lay on flat surface undo knobs and do back up same time marker will not be on 0! But check with a square and it will be 90 .few videos on here to verify
Good job one of the best tools chanal
I have the makita corded, love it . Any suggestions on what blade to use on solid oak worktop, struggled through some 20mm stuff there today
jonathan Delaney keyblades&fixings look them up
it would be great if you could do a similar review on Table Saws. love your approach and delivery keep up the good work.
I'd go for the Dewalt if am honest.
@@SammyInnit thanks for the heads up i will check out some reviews on it.
I bought the makita MLT100 with the mobile stand and would advise anyone against buying one. Used it once & took it straight back to the merchants but they wouldn't take it back. It's far too heavy, the body is plastic, the fence is awful and the gap around the blade is HUGE !!! Wish I'd have bought a cheap one as a site saw as I'll never use this again and will probably end up giving it away.
@@markcroft3619 i have the bosch 4100-09 in canada they are great the best stand on the market imo, if you prefer a rack and pinion rack the top of the line dewalt is great, better than those is a cabinet saw .
metabo have 3 phase portable sa that look great but we dont have them on our side of the ocean
I have a 54v dewalt and I don’t recommend it. The nobs hard to turn and will not fit on makita track, I had to cut 3mm of the plate to fit.
I have the DWE7491 with rolling stand, bought 5 years ago, I waited ages for it to become available in the UK but it was well worth it.
One question, can I use Makita or Festool guide track use for Titron plunge saw?
I think the Festool power is well thought out as it fits perfectly on a 10 amp fuse together with Festool MIDI and MINI...
Cripes, I've made my own ferrules like corefixes, a right fiddle. Corefix has got to be way. I had an early small cordless which was hopeless! Battery tech has come a long way.
The thing with "circular" saws of all sorts is why are they all made with the blade on the right? If cutting down the edge of a long board with the saw plate & weight on the board, a right hander has to work holding the saw across his / her body. If cutting the opposite direction which would be more comfortable, most of the saw plate & weight is overhung & harder to control.
does the Makita have that parallel drop like the DeWalt? as that is pretty important in the work I do
I'm with festool... good to see you using a festool extractor 👍👍
Based on my experience with my Makita stuff, you might have gotten a little better power from the newer larger batteries. I say "might" because I don't own the track saw, but I have noticed this on my 5" angle grinder and my rear handle x2 saw. I think the 2500mAh cells in the 5Ah batteries are superior to the 1500mAh cells in the 3Ah batteries.
A couple of small comments on the DeWalt the battery on the DeWalt is so big it actually interferes with your hand and the other thing and I don't know if it will ever become a problem with the plunge mechanism I always get very nervous when you've got extra linkages so as the machine gets a bit older I worried those connection points may affect the accuracy of the operation of the saw I have a similar thought when it comes to the Bosch drop saw other than that I believe it's a very good saw
We change the blades on all our saws with the Freud TCT blades for much better cuts with no splits.
dewalt guide is double sided though so usefull
Hi Lads have you done any reviews on a PAT shot fired gun Im looking at the Spit P370
thanks in advance
Love to see some routers on the show! And also videos to help young apprentice carpenters like my self
I don’t know if you watch AVEs tool takedowns but he seems to seriously rate makitas build quality. I’ve got to say that I’ve been buying mostly makita for years and they only die thru operator error, often a labourer or apprentice that don’t care too much. Although makita seem to be behind the others on battery technology at the moment I still keep buying their tools as they just go on and on for years! I’m pretty sure if you had the 6ah batteries in that makita it would be twice as powerful and run longer. Great video guys and well done for the rapid rise in subs, you deserve it as one of the only uk building channels putting out regular and serious content
Ben Chippy
I‘ve used Makita a lot and i don’t like it anymore. The quality isn’t quite the best and their service is shit. I switched to Bosch because of their service an reliability. The tools might be not as powerfull, but they do their work very good and in my case never break down.
With the batteries i am not sure if you ever tested a tool with 18650 or 21700 cells. The difference is enormous! The newer and by far better cells deliver so much more power that you think you just bought a new tool. Thats why Makita will loose there for the time they use the old cells. In my opinion.
Great review, I like the look of the makita. What I have been looking at and I’m tempted to buy is the Scheppach special addition PL 75. Has anyone used it or have any thoughts on it.
I use the Bosch it's great and cheap .and with the change buy a decent blade .butter cuts
Hahahah old friend come back
thanks for video
Roger definitely knows his stuff. Enjoyed your other videos, thanks for sharing your knowledge (I have the DeWalt Flexvolt and it's been great).
Any review on the titan or triton?? compared with erbauer as a budget comparison.
Brilliant review, much appreciated. May I ask the reason for the variable speed settings. When would one use the low speed and when is the high speed used?
If the wood is burning you slow it down. Other than that it is usually full steam ahead for most people.
@@SkillBuilder Many thanks for your prompt reply. I learn something every day. Much Appreciated.
good job guys, i learned a lot. haven't bought anything yet but i feel a hell of a lot better prepared to do so thanks to your fine work. thanks for your honesty and knowledgable insights. (Mafell fanboys! ;) )
I bought the Makita corded track saw and very happy with it. Making some bespoke items for my house, and have also used it in fitting my kitchen. However being a DIYer I don’t have a dust extractor.
Does anyone have any recommendations for budget tool dust extraction?
I would use Henry or similar for DIY work. You are not looking to comply with any stringent standards as you have to on site so take the obvious option and use a domestic vacuum cleaner or cheap dust extractor from Screwfix or somewhere.
Thank you
Festool made the track saw 30 year's before any of the others
As you mentioned every name specialise in a particular tool like makita makes good saw what about bosch and dealt iam after impact driver and hammer drill?
Which make does not have the riving blade to keep from pinch