The correct way to ask “Hey faith, terribly sorry to bother you on your day off, but I had a quick question to ask you? Is that okay?” “So Jackie decided to leave the company today and we are currently very understaffed at the moment, and I was wondering if you would be open to the idea of coming in to pick up an extra shift (offer incentive like overtime if available) “You can’t? That’s perfectly understandable, just wanted to ask. Have a great of your day off, see you Monday” (Tries to resolve the issue with the resources they have left)
For years I had management at my job really push me to pick up since I was the single, childless person in town. However, I learned the power of saying no and we eventually had an assistant administrator who understood that that I was getting burned out and would ask similar to your comment.
"Hey, I know you said you weren't really able to come in and pick up that extra shift. I totally get it. I was just hoping you'd reconsider, as we're in kind of a 'perfect storm' situation here, and we need all hands on deck if we're going to survive this. I understand it's a big ask, and I'm certainly not demanding anything. I just want to make you aware of just how bad of a situation we're in. I fully own the issue, and I understand this is happening in no small part due to my own decisions as a manager. I won't hold it against you if you don't want to come in. I'm just instead hoping you might reconsider, as we really do need you today. If you want to talk about some sort of extra incentives, I'm open to that. And if you want to talk about things we can do to avoid this in the future, I'm all ears." I prefer the honesty over the manipulations - especially when they take responsibility for the issue. The whole guilt-trip thing of "If you don't come in, the company could die and it's all your fault" thing is unnecessary, but if it really is that bad, it's at least nice to know you have a chance of making a difference. There are myriad ways to be a bad manager, but I'll take the one who makes mistakes and then owns up to those mistakes - even if it requires collaboration - over the one who just lets their failures sink the project (or the company, or whatever).
That's called retaliation and is illegal, that's when you talk to a lawyer and speak and email HR to have written documentation or a recording because HR is not your friend they are there to protect the company from you as the employee
That conversation should not have lasted 2 minutes, more like 15 maybe 20 seconds. "Sorry, I can't come in today, especially on such short notice. Good luck getting it covered, Byyeeeee!!".
There’s nothing worse than hearing a woman call you honey……knowing good and well that she feels that referring to you as honey will somehow make you passive and compliant. 👀That shit be raising bars in my attitude!
@@Yanchi_YT sometimes you just pick up for the “surprise”. Individuals like this character, tend to believe that those who work hard and or stay consistent, somehow is aiming to be seen and or is ambitiously trying to climb an invisible ladder. Meanwhile, something as simple as work ethic should be obvious.
There have been companies where the owner / management treated the workers like humans, like a family, like a team, and the workers would reciprocate. Those days are long gone, those companies no longer exist. Companies no longer feel real loyalty to workers and it shows in many ways. It should be no surprise to them that employees don't show loyalty in return. To expect this of employees without reciprocation is delusion. The only loyalty we see hints of is loyalty to stock holders, but that's not human loyalty, that's all about money.
@@fredflintstone8048 end stage capitalism. If the company isn’t showing continued growth year over year it’s considered failing. So a company may originally treat workers well and have a quality product, once their profits start slipping, they’ll very soon start cutting employee wages and benefits. And the moment you start to look like a liability, you’re out the door.
I'm old enough to remember when you learned quickly to never answer the phone on your day off and let it go to your answering machine/voicemail (before cellphones).
That’s okay. The boss will only try to guilt, & belittle you your next day of work for not responding to text/phone calls. Which needs to be its own video.
There's a reason I don't talk to my mom, and 2 1/2 siblings. Besides the fact that she said as far as she's concerned, us 4 older kids don't exist. I'm just making sure to give her exactly what she said.
@@wendy833just because you are related to people it doesn't mean that you have to associate with them. Friends are the family you get to choose for yourself.
People don’t quit their jobs they quit their managers. I’ve been lucky to have managers who leave me alone and don’t micromanage. I can go weeks without talking to my current one.
I need you so bad, please come in during your time off. Fine, I'll just cut your hours. That way you get what you want, and we dint get what we need. Makes perfect sense.
One of the questions I asked during my interview was is this company a family or is it a place that I work at to support my family. I hope she remembers that. Her answer was where where you work to support your family.
If employers REALLY want to treat their team like a family, then they will recognize that people need their days off to rest and recuperate. Instead, employers just call their team "family" as a manipulation tactic, which has exposed these employers for the red flags they are.
Yeah, I remember one of my bosses tried that , ' Well, if you're not going to come in to do the extra shifts, then your work hrs will be cut " , type situation... So you know what I did, looked for a part time job, to cover those miss hours. She soon started see a pattern when I wasn't volunteering for overtime or any being unfazed of getting my cut hours back, she had to quickly revert back my original hours, with a raise...
Yep. The Labor Board/Department and Employment Lawyers LOVE hearing stories like that. Makes the impending lawsuit and/or settlement that much sweeter.
It's not illegal for a company to cut an employee's hours because they refused to come in on their day off. (Don't get me wrong -- I'm 100% pro-worker. I'm just saying that on these facts, no law is being violated.).
@@bryanmiller8604 "Hostile" work environment. But that only exists in the context of illegal discrimination. When it comes to threatening to cut a worker's hours (all the way to zero, in some cases!) because they refuse to come in on their day off...that's not illegal.
I've got an amazing boss at my job. Offers overtime to anyone willing to pick up shifts and is happy to see us take days off when needed. Our office as a whole feel good about working together and picking up slack because we know we can count on them to do so when we need a break, but the biggest reason for that is having a fun and caring boss who doesn't get on our case if we can't bend over backwards for them. No guilt trips, no threats, just a good dynamic in our work space.
I like CA on this one: In California, it's generally illegal for an employer to require an employee to work seven days in a row without a day of rest. However, there are some exceptions to this rule: The employee works less than 30 hours in the workweek The employee works no more than six hours on any workday The employee works to protect life or property from loss or destruction The employee works seven consecutive days across two different workweeks If an employee is required to work seven consecutive days, they are entitled to overtime pay: The first eight hours are paid at one and a half times the employee's regular rate of pay Additional hours are paid at double the employee's regular rate of pay Employers who violate these rules could be guilty of a misdemeanor. Employers are required to inform employees about potential exceptions during the hiring process. Employees who accept employment in an exempted occupation agree to give up their seventh rest day when required.
gotta love the "we admire your leadership and were hoping to give you a lead position" yeah i've heard that several times and when i applied for the promotion they hired someone with no experience and less pay so i said fu-q guys and got a better job
I littery just told a new employee this..😂Don't start what you can't finish!! You work over your normal hours more than twice and they will put you on speed dial and get pissie if you tell no.
So you don't have the staff to do all the work that needs doing, and now you're proposing to cut my hours of work? How exactly is that going to improve the situation? I'd love to know . . . 😄😄😄
@ Ask the CEO. They are still getting the exuberant bonuses, & all their other company perks for a “great job” regardless. 🙄 A memo from your friendly, neighborhood, HR. Dear employees, we’re cutting your hours due to “reasons”. Do better this quarter or be fired for underperforming at your duties to the company.
Imagine the boss calling in the vacation days. Right after the request and the decline for going to work I would have cut the conversation right there with "We'll talk more when I am back at work." . This whole conversation was in fact working, so it makes no sense to take place in vacation days.
When I was much younger and easily manipulated they would do this to me constantly. I never picked the phone up on my day off again. When an interviewer says they’re like a family I’m out. It’s code for I’m about to get constantly screwed and underpaid for the privilege.
While true, but bosses threatening and harassing employees like this could also backfire and be a PR nightmare. HR would ask the manager not to do that again so they don’t have to clean up even more of a mess.
HR only exists because it's more expensive for the company's to notnhave an HR policing their own people. It does not exist to support or protect you. Any benefit the employee gets from HR is entirely incidental. Hr is there to protect the company. It happens to do that being providing some basic safety rails on management.
I think this was the best and most curtious refusal this channel has produced. If youre going to answer you should respond like this. If you cant or dont want to then dont answer.
Going to HR because your boss is threatening to cut your hours won't do any good at all. It's not illegal, it doesn't expose the company to any legal liability, so HR won't care.
No, I fully agree. That’s why you go to the department of labor, & file a claim, & retain a lawyer for a potential civil lawsuit for discrimination, lost wages, & punitive damages. That usually settles such matters of administrative violence. There are, shall we say, much less ethical avenues, but they usually involve a very messy cleanup afterwards, & several annoying questions by law enforcement officers. Allegedly of course.
For the community: Follow-up with an email recapping the call, CC HR and a lawyer if you have one on retainer. This could reasonably be considered an impetus for retaliation, so it's a good idea to start documenting, just in case.
DONT BE A TEAM PLAYER. ITS NOT WORTH IT. my husband worked his ass of for his ex company. And they paid him 100dollors bonus (don’t know what they call iit in USA)after reviewing him. He quit on spot. Has a different job now.
0:33 "Oh man that's too bad, you were such a good team player." "Well me being a good team player was actually a sign of good will on my end, not a right on yours." 1:33 "Oh, well, if you're not willing to come in, you might see your hours start cutting......" "...........Are you threatening me, master Jedi?"
I had a job that was 20 hours a week, so I did all the overtime I could. They ended up promoting me and I was given a contract for 45 hours. One day, the manager sat me down and asked me why I dont do overtime any more, in a tone that suggested I was insulting him.
"So you need me to put in more hours but you'll also cut my hours if I don't agree to put in more hours? Hon, you're confused. Do you want me to work or not? Take what you can get before I quit on your ass too"
In France even business owners are not allowed to work 7 days a week. Most boulangeries take their mandatory day off on Monday, that's why on Sunday it's a good idea to buy a big round bread instead of a baguette
Follow up emails to the person calling, hr and corporate states that I am being denied the next team lead position and promising my current hours will be cut to less than 10 hours for the week because I wont come in on my day off
Unfortunately I’ve learned the harsh reality that going to HR tends to be ineffective. HR is set up to defend the company from employee liability rather than defend the employee from institutional abuse.
I have a boss who sees her employees as family. She understands when were running late or have something come up. She's let people leave early if they have to drop someone off at the airport. She works with us where we are at. She owns the business and is aware when we're not making sales or she has to work harder because someone is late. She's a good person, amd I LOVE working there. Thats the only time your job should feel "like family". We actually function more like a family, and everybody helps out. Any other business saying "we're like family" means they are going to exploit you for all you are worth. That's a toxic family. No one wants to be part of that. There's a reason people go no contact with family members like that.
Yeah HR doesn't care about your manager's illegsl threats if you can't prove they made them in an unfair labor practices complaint or wrongful termination lawsuit.
I worked for a contract security company that had field supervisors that would call me to cover posts; when I was a rover it was par for the course but when I was assigned a post, I'd tell them that I'm working at XYZ site from 0600-1500 (because the managers didn't have a clue). After a few calls, I told them to stop calling me at midnight because I need to rest for my contracted post. Got to the point where I stopped answering my phone and muted while I was sleeping. Me and a couple other guards were usually the only ones covering or posting at special assignments; I questioned one of the managers about it and he told me "because you're reliable". Well, after that and no thanks, promotions or raises, I left.
They will when they hear the word retaliation. Contrary to popular belief 95% of all HR departments in the country actually do their jobs, ironically thanks to people like you spreading the belief that they don’t so keep up the work. The ones that don’t are run by activists and nepobabies.
@@black191795% of HR departments in whatever country you're talking about don't make up 95% of people in HR departments in that same country. Bigger companies tend to have bigger, less competent HR departments.
@@black1917 You are correct. HR will do their jobs only when they're threatened with legal action. Without that, they will do what benefits themselves, i.e. do what their boss wants even if it's illegal.
They can’t fire you without probable cause and if they fired you because you went to HR over a threat and Harassment claim that was valid to go to HR for, then you have a perfect lawsuit against the company and that will force the company to either spend lots of money for lawyers and legal fees, or they’ll settle.
@@The_G_89 have you heard of fire at will states? Most states in America allow companies to fire you for any reason no questions asked and you have to report any issues under 24 hours or it will be out of the statute and companies can and will fight any lawsuit you file at them at your own expense, it generally isn't worth it
@@kittenwizard4703 yes I know about that if there was not a valid reason. This is a valid reason to fight against it. Also companies and states are getting called out on that as it ends up backfiring on the company especially if it turns into a PR nightmare. But companies have been pretty sneaky about firing employees for no reason or by pettiness.
I had a buddy who didn't drive so we always had to pick him up and drop him off. His boss would ALWAYS call him and ask him to come in on his day off and he would say ya. After about the 5th time, his phone rang and I said "dude if that's your boss asking you to come in you tell him no. We're not stopping everything that we're doing to take you home after we've been planning this for a while. It's your day off Tell him you're not coming in"
Isn’t that Retaliation twice over? Once for saying she won’t get the promotion for refusing to come in on her days off, and another for threatening to cut back her hours for not coming in on her days off?
This won't work for everyone... But I was once given the family line. The rest of the convo went like this... "Ok, so in that case I'm gonna tell you to go fuck yourself". "You can't talk to me like that, I'm your boss!" "I thought you said we are family. Which is it?" "I'm your boss". "Then I'll see you Monday". 🤦♀️
Years ago I worked at a pizza place in our local mall. I was babysitting my 2 year old neice. We walked over to the mall to get some pizza. My boss said they were super busy and NEEDED me to work. I said I couldn't. He said that the first employee he saw at the mall he was going to mando to come in. I told him I had my 2 year old neice with me so that was going to be impossible. We got our pizza and left. GTFOH!
Yep, the ol’ “cut hours and hope the person quits” game. If they really need workers, they won’t do that. If they actually do that, better to find another job, anyway! 🤷♀️
If they cared so much about the team, they should care about all team members needing time to recharge and not get burned out and sick in the long run. And they may actually do better quality work, be able to work for longer in total, besides just have better lives. Its ridicilous to demand someone should never get a day of, especially as consequense for working hard in the past, that should be rewarded not basically punished
Honestly these conversations would go so much different if they just asked nicely? Like yeah theyll prolly still say no but if you need help just ask dont be so foreful about it
Sorry, but making it mandatory to come in on my day off changes my position to a salried position...and you cannot afford my rates (currently listed in the millions of dollars per month). 😊
Managers and hr alike, is toxic. You would think that these folk were the very individuals that started and built the company that they’re working for. Not an ounce of common sense vision or level headed individuals that’s playing a position that productively serves the company. Any time someone has to revert to abuse to get their way, you already know specifics about their every day mind and education.
Don't forget to mention when you're walking like that because you need something or you need to afford something funny how that should have also been grounds in that span of time to receive a raise or promotion funny how it didn't come then so it's not going to come now.
I'm getting a distinct feeling that I know why Jacky "suddenly quit"
"Realize this is a family working here."
"So then call your 'family' to cover the shift."
The correct way to ask
“Hey faith, terribly sorry to bother you on your day off, but I had a quick question to ask you? Is that okay?”
“So Jackie decided to leave the company today and we are currently very understaffed at the moment, and I was wondering if you would be open to the idea of coming in to pick up an extra shift (offer incentive like overtime if available)
“You can’t? That’s perfectly understandable, just wanted to ask. Have a great of your day off, see you Monday”
(Tries to resolve the issue with the resources they have left)
For years I had management at my job really push me to pick up since I was the single, childless person in town. However, I learned the power of saying no and we eventually had an assistant administrator who understood that that I was getting burned out and would ask similar to your comment.
"Hey, I know you said you weren't really able to come in and pick up that extra shift. I totally get it. I was just hoping you'd reconsider, as we're in kind of a 'perfect storm' situation here, and we need all hands on deck if we're going to survive this. I understand it's a big ask, and I'm certainly not demanding anything. I just want to make you aware of just how bad of a situation we're in. I fully own the issue, and I understand this is happening in no small part due to my own decisions as a manager. I won't hold it against you if you don't want to come in. I'm just instead hoping you might reconsider, as we really do need you today. If you want to talk about some sort of extra incentives, I'm open to that. And if you want to talk about things we can do to avoid this in the future, I'm all ears."
I prefer the honesty over the manipulations - especially when they take responsibility for the issue. The whole guilt-trip thing of "If you don't come in, the company could die and it's all your fault" thing is unnecessary, but if it really is that bad, it's at least nice to know you have a chance of making a difference.
There are myriad ways to be a bad manager, but I'll take the one who makes mistakes and then owns up to those mistakes - even if it requires collaboration - over the one who just lets their failures sink the project (or the company, or whatever).
This is the only way I've ever been treated. I can't help but feel like most of these videos are made for a minority of cases.
That's called retaliation and is illegal, that's when you talk to a lawyer and speak and email HR to have written documentation or a recording because HR is not your friend they are there to protect the company from you as the employee
That conversation should not have lasted 2 minutes, more like 15 maybe 20 seconds. "Sorry, I can't come in today, especially on such short notice. Good luck getting it covered, Byyeeeee!!".
Better yet don't answer the phone at all
Should have never answered the phone on the day off in the first place
There’s nothing worse than hearing a woman call you honey……knowing good and well that she feels that referring to you as honey will somehow make you passive and compliant. 👀That shit be raising bars in my attitude!
@@Yanchi_YT sometimes you just pick up for the “surprise”. Individuals like this character, tend to believe that those who work hard and or stay consistent, somehow is aiming to be seen and or is ambitiously trying to climb an invisible ladder. Meanwhile, something as simple as work ethic should be obvious.
@@Yanchi_YT Oh yeah learned that one the hard way...
_"Go'head and cut my hours, then. And Jackie won't be the only one quitting."_ 💯💯💯
Literally the only reason I work is because I need money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. 🤣
There have been companies where the owner / management treated the workers like humans, like a family, like a team, and the workers would reciprocate. Those days are long gone, those companies no longer exist.
Companies no longer feel real loyalty to workers and it shows in many ways. It should be no surprise to them that employees don't show loyalty in return. To expect this of employees without reciprocation is delusion.
The only loyalty we see hints of is loyalty to stock holders, but that's not human loyalty, that's all about money.
Agreed. Litterally the only reason.
@@fredflintstone8048 end stage capitalism. If the company isn’t showing continued growth year over year it’s considered failing. So a company may originally treat workers well and have a quality product, once their profits start slipping, they’ll very soon start cutting employee wages and benefits. And the moment you start to look like a liability, you’re out the door.
@fredflintstone8048 same thing can be said when there can be lazy worker employees
@@alexk7880bootlicker
I'm old enough to remember when you learned quickly to never answer the phone on your day off and let it go to your answering machine/voicemail (before cellphones).
My dad was a cheating scumbag but the one valuable lesson he taught me was never answer the phone when your manager is calling
Hell if I don't know the number or it's my managers number I don't answer my cell
Memories of _Office Space._ 😁
(If you haven't seen it, you should.)
That’s okay. The boss will only try to guilt, & belittle you your next day of work for not responding to text/phone calls. Which needs to be its own video.
@@bryanmiller8604 That happens once, maybe twice. But funnily enough, they learn to not even try after a few times.
Good families don't call and make unreasonable demands and resort to guilt trips and threats. That kind of crap is how family members get disowned.
These are tactics used by narcissistic parents.
Tbf.. this is EXACTLY what my family does. But I despise them.
There's a reason I don't talk to my mom, and 2 1/2 siblings. Besides the fact that she said as far as she's concerned, us 4 older kids don't exist. I'm just making sure to give her exactly what she said.
@@wendy833just because you are related to people it doesn't mean that you have to associate with them.
Friends are the family you get to choose for yourself.
@ken481959 Oh, I know. There are a lot of people who are unhappy. They feel it's okay to share that on anyone they come in contact with.
Never answer a call from your boss on your day off.
I don’t answer calls from work on my days off. Simple as that.
They love pulling that “we’re a family line.” But it’s family that treats you the worse. Go figure!
People don’t quit their jobs they quit their managers.
I’ve been lucky to have managers who leave me alone and don’t micromanage. I can go weeks without talking to my current one.
"aLwAyS sUcH a TeAm PlAyEr!!1!"
I need you so bad, please come in during your time off. Fine, I'll just cut your hours. That way you get what you want, and we dint get what we need. Makes perfect sense.
Gee, I wonder why Jackie quit.
One of the questions I asked during my interview was is this company a family or is it a place that I work at to support my family. I hope she remembers that. Her answer was where where you work to support your family.
If employers REALLY want to treat their team like a family, then they will recognize that people need their days off to rest and recuperate.
Instead, employers just call their team "family" as a manipulation tactic, which has exposed these employers for the red flags they are.
Yeah, I remember one of my bosses tried that , ' Well, if you're not going to come in to do the extra shifts, then your work hrs will be cut " , type situation... So you know what I did, looked for a part time job, to cover those miss hours. She soon started see a pattern when I wasn't volunteering for overtime or any being unfazed of getting my cut hours back, she had to quickly revert back my original hours, with a raise...
"Your hours might get cut"
Did you just say constructive dismissal? Because I heard constructive dismissal.
Yep. The Labor Board/Department and Employment Lawyers LOVE hearing stories like that. Makes the impending lawsuit and/or settlement that much sweeter.
It's not illegal for a company to cut an employee's hours because they refused to come in on their day off.
(Don't get me wrong -- I'm 100% pro-worker. I'm just saying that on these facts, no law is being violated.).
@@MilescoIn this scenario the company has absolutely done just that, & made for a threatening, & hostage work environment.
@@bryanmiller8604 "Hostile" work environment. But that only exists in the context of illegal discrimination.
When it comes to threatening to cut a worker's hours (all the way to zero, in some cases!) because they refuse to come in on their day off...that's not illegal.
It actually falls under retaliation. Not working when you aren't scheduled falls under a protected activity.
I've got an amazing boss at my job. Offers overtime to anyone willing to pick up shifts and is happy to see us take days off when needed. Our office as a whole feel good about working together and picking up slack because we know we can count on them to do so when we need a break, but the biggest reason for that is having a fun and caring boss who doesn't get on our case if we can't bend over backwards for them. No guilt trips, no threats, just a good dynamic in our work space.
I like CA on this one:
In California, it's generally illegal for an employer to require an employee to work seven days in a row without a day of rest. However, there are some exceptions to this rule:
The employee works less than 30 hours in the workweek
The employee works no more than six hours on any workday
The employee works to protect life or property from loss or destruction
The employee works seven consecutive days across two different workweeks
If an employee is required to work seven consecutive days, they are entitled to overtime pay:
The first eight hours are paid at one and a half times the employee's regular rate of pay
Additional hours are paid at double the employee's regular rate of pay
Employers who violate these rules could be guilty of a misdemeanor.
Employers are required to inform employees about potential exceptions during the hiring process. Employees who accept employment in an exempted occupation agree to give up their seventh rest day when required.
gotta love the "we admire your leadership and were hoping to give you a lead position" yeah i've heard that several times and when i applied for the promotion they hired someone with no experience and less pay so i said fu-q guys and got a better job
I littery just told a new employee this..😂Don't start what you can't finish!! You work over your normal hours more than twice and they will put you on speed dial and get pissie if you tell no.
Exactly why I refuse to cover overnights...Volunteer once and you become the go to❤
I spent almost 9 years on active duty in the US Navy.
Never
Again
Volunteer
Yourself
😅
First mistake is answering calls from work, on your day off 😊
"Might see my hours cut" means " Might see your staff cut" .
No it means company might be in for a surprise investigation by the department of labor, & a potential civil lawsuit for lost wages, & damages.
@@bryanmiller8604not after January 21st.
So you don't have the staff to do all the work that needs doing, and now you're proposing to cut my hours of work? How exactly is that going to improve the situation? I'd love to know . . . 😄😄😄
@ Ask the CEO. They are still getting the exuberant bonuses, & all their other company perks for a “great job” regardless. 🙄
A memo from your friendly, neighborhood, HR.
Dear employees, we’re cutting your hours due to “reasons”. Do better this quarter or be fired for underperforming at your duties to the company.
Best answer in this case it's:
I would love to go but I'm off the city for the weekend.
So it's impossible
All you have to do is say you've been drinking. They can't have you working while intoxicated by law.
Working 7 days a Week... isn't this illegal?
1:42 Oh not the "F" word!
Imagine the boss calling in the vacation days. Right after the request and the decline for going to work I would have cut the conversation right there with "We'll talk more when I am back at work." . This whole conversation was in fact working, so it makes no sense to take place in vacation days.
"Someone quit without you knowing so I thought you'd come in on your day off."
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"Manager" is shoveling horseshyt with both hands. :-/
Bullshit, take that manager to not only the HR, but includes the local Labor office and legal services, aka lawyer.
When I was much younger and easily manipulated they would do this to me constantly. I never picked the phone up on my day off again. When an interviewer says they’re like a family I’m out. It’s code for I’m about to get constantly screwed and underpaid for the privilege.
Now I see why Jackie quit......
HR is not the employees friend. They protect the company.
While true, but bosses threatening and harassing employees like this could also backfire and be a PR nightmare. HR would ask the manager not to do that again so they don’t have to clean up even more of a mess.
Protecting the company also means respecting employees legal working rights and setting managers straight to avoid the labor board/fines/lawsuits.
HR only exists because it's more expensive for the company's to notnhave an HR policing their own people. It does not exist to support or protect you. Any benefit the employee gets from HR is entirely incidental. Hr is there to protect the company. It happens to do that being providing some basic safety rails on management.
I think this was the best and most curtious refusal this channel has produced. If youre going to answer you should respond like this. If you cant or dont want to then dont answer.
Ah yes,threats of retaliation by cutting hours and refusing promotions. Typical corpo scumbag bosses.
Going to HR because your boss is threatening to cut your hours won't do any good at all. It's not illegal, it doesn't expose the company to any legal liability, so HR won't care.
No, I fully agree. That’s why you go to the department of labor, & file a claim, & retain a lawyer for a potential civil lawsuit for discrimination, lost wages, & punitive damages. That usually settles such matters of administrative violence. There are, shall we say, much less ethical avenues, but they usually involve a very messy cleanup afterwards, & several annoying questions by law enforcement officers. Allegedly of course.
They will usually settle out of court right before the court date. Expect literal yelling.
it depends on your local laws and rules.
For the community:
Follow-up with an email recapping the call, CC HR and a lawyer if you have one on retainer. This could reasonably be considered an impetus for retaliation, so it's a good idea to start documenting, just in case.
DONT BE A TEAM PLAYER. ITS NOT WORTH IT. my husband worked his ass of for his ex company. And they paid him 100dollors bonus (don’t know what they call iit in USA)after reviewing him. He quit on spot. Has a different job now.
You are understaffed, i am penniless, so i hope you got a good incentive to pick extra hours of work
If a conversation with HR doesn't work, maybe reporting them to the Labor Board for Unethical Business Practices might.
0:33 "Oh man that's too bad, you were such a good team player."
"Well me being a good team player was actually a sign of good will on my end, not a right on yours."
1:33 "Oh, well, if you're not willing to come in, you might see your hours start cutting......"
"...........Are you threatening me, master Jedi?"
I had a job that was 20 hours a week, so I did all the overtime I could.
They ended up promoting me and I was given a contract for 45 hours. One day, the manager sat me down and asked me why I dont do overtime any more, in a tone that suggested I was insulting him.
"So you need me to put in more hours but you'll also cut my hours if I don't agree to put in more hours? Hon, you're confused. Do you want me to work or not? Take what you can get before I quit on your ass too"
Never tell them what you're going to do, just go into HR (I know it's a cartoon, but folks need to be reminded of not telling their moves.). 🤷
In France even business owners are not allowed to work 7 days a week. Most boulangeries take their mandatory day off on Monday, that's why on Sunday it's a good idea to buy a big round bread instead of a baguette
Thats illegal to cut someone's hours like that.
0:20, “I guess I just assumed…”
As one of my high school teachers would put: When you assume, you make an a** out of u and me.
Follow up emails to the person calling, hr and corporate states that I am being denied the next team lead position and promising my current hours will be cut to less than 10 hours for the week because I wont come in on my day off
I work for an ACTUAL family business and they don't act like that.
Unfortunately I’ve learned the harsh reality that going to HR tends to be ineffective. HR is set up to defend the company from employee liability rather than defend the employee from institutional abuse.
You're about to have 2 employees quit on you on the same day.
I'm telling the *labor board*
I have a boss who sees her employees as family. She understands when were running late or have something come up. She's let people leave early if they have to drop someone off at the airport. She works with us where we are at. She owns the business and is aware when we're not making sales or she has to work harder because someone is late. She's a good person, amd I LOVE working there. Thats the only time your job should feel "like family". We actually function more like a family, and everybody helps out. Any other business saying "we're like family" means they are going to exploit you for all you are worth. That's a toxic family. No one wants to be part of that. There's a reason people go no contact with family members like that.
“You can’t just come in just because you need money.” lol. Why go to work then
Unless your employer pays for your phone, you don't answer calls from work on your day off.
Yeah HR doesn't care about your manager's illegsl threats if you can't prove they made them in an unfair labor practices complaint or wrongful termination lawsuit.
Retaliation. Lawsuit.
I worked for a contract security company that had field supervisors that would call me to cover posts; when I was a rover it was par for the course but when I was assigned a post, I'd tell them that I'm working at XYZ site from 0600-1500 (because the managers didn't have a clue). After a few calls, I told them to stop calling me at midnight because I need to rest for my contracted post. Got to the point where I stopped answering my phone and muted while I was sleeping.
Me and a couple other guards were usually the only ones covering or posting at special assignments; I questioned one of the managers about it and he told me "because you're reliable". Well, after that and no thanks, promotions or raises, I left.
“You can’t just pick up extra hours and come in on your days off because you need money”
… what?? I think I have a headache from that
Results may vary IRL lol. Do not be this blunt and antagonistic with your boss.
HR ain't going to do squat.
They will when they hear the word retaliation. Contrary to popular belief 95% of all HR departments in the country actually do their jobs, ironically thanks to people like you spreading the belief that they don’t so keep up the work. The ones that don’t are run by activists and nepobabies.
@@black191795% of HR departments in whatever country you're talking about don't make up 95% of people in HR departments in that same country. Bigger companies tend to have bigger, less competent HR departments.
@@black1917 You are correct. HR will do their jobs only when they're threatened with legal action. Without that, they will do what benefits themselves, i.e. do what their boss wants even if it's illegal.
"Going to Hr" oh you mean writing your own pink slip
They can’t fire you without probable cause and if they fired you because you went to HR over a threat and Harassment claim that was valid to go to HR for, then you have a perfect lawsuit against the company and that will force the company to either spend lots of money for lawyers and legal fees, or they’ll settle.
@@The_G_89 have you heard of fire at will states? Most states in America allow companies to fire you for any reason no questions asked and you have to report any issues under 24 hours or it will be out of the statute and companies can and will fight any lawsuit you file at them at your own expense, it generally isn't worth it
@@kittenwizard4703 yes I know about that if there was not a valid reason. This is a valid reason to fight against it. Also companies and states are getting called out on that as it ends up backfiring on the company especially if it turns into a PR nightmare. But companies have been pretty sneaky about firing employees for no reason or by pettiness.
@@kittenwizard4703That doesn’t mean what you think it does.
This should have been a less then a minute period. And would have been a hr phone call
Send me that in an email how not coming in will affect my chances for promotion
I had a buddy who didn't drive so we always had to pick him up and drop him off. His boss would ALWAYS call him and ask him to come in on his day off and he would say ya. After about the 5th time, his phone rang and I said "dude if that's your boss asking you to come in you tell him no. We're not stopping everything that we're doing to take you home after we've been planning this for a while. It's your day off Tell him you're not coming in"
Isn’t that Retaliation twice over? Once for saying she won’t get the promotion for refusing to come in on her days off, and another for threatening to cut back her hours for not coming in on her days off?
This won't work for everyone... But I was once given the family line. The rest of the convo went like this...
"Ok, so in that case I'm gonna tell you to go fuck yourself".
"You can't talk to me like that, I'm your boss!"
"I thought you said we are family. Which is it?"
"I'm your boss".
"Then I'll see you Monday". 🤦♀️
Years ago I worked at a pizza place in our local mall. I was babysitting my 2 year old neice. We walked over to the mall to get some pizza. My boss said they were super busy and NEEDED me to work. I said I couldn't. He said that the first employee he saw at the mall he was going to mando to come in. I told him I had my 2 year old neice with me so that was going to be impossible. We got our pizza and left. GTFOH!
Yep, the ol’ “cut hours and hope the person quits” game. If they really need workers, they won’t do that. If they actually do that, better to find another job, anyway! 🤷♀️
If they cared so much about the team, they should care about all team members needing time to recharge and not get burned out and sick in the long run. And they may actually do better quality work, be able to work for longer in total, besides just have better lives. Its ridicilous to demand someone should never get a day of, especially as consequense for working hard in the past, that should be rewarded not basically punished
Why did you apply? What manager is this?
Oh and this phone call has been recorded so don't try to deny when in front of hr tomorrow morning.
Honestly these conversations would go so much different if they just asked nicely? Like yeah theyll prolly still say no but if you need help just ask dont be so foreful about it
No the first problem is you have my number...not from a work phone...
cutting my hours? awesome. more free time for me, and more unfinished work for you.
Instead of politely asking
Sorry, but making it mandatory to come in on my day off changes my position to a salried position...and you cannot afford my rates (currently listed in the millions of dollars per month).
😊
So i can have tomorrow
I hope this call was recorded so that HR listens to it.
Hr doesn’t care
Managers and hr alike, is toxic. You would think that these folk were the very individuals that started and built the company that they’re working for. Not an ounce of common sense vision or level headed individuals that’s playing a position that productively serves the company. Any time someone has to revert to abuse to get their way, you already know specifics about their every day mind and education.
Sorry, can't, bye.
Jacky quit and now i quit
When you assume you just make an ass out of u and me. Never assume.
This sounds just like Musk.
Realize this is an overly dramatic skit to try to prove a point. No company goes into this much drama over anything.
Good luck with hr
Don't forget to mention when you're walking like that because you need something or you need to afford something funny how that should have also been grounds in that span of time to receive a raise or promotion funny how it didn't come then so it's not going to come now.
Isn't the manager also working for money?
Are these real life moments?
Yes
And she's now looking for a bew job and you're about to be two people short lol
First of all I DON'T work for you
These are kinda over the top stupid, I would of said sorry it's my day off I got plans and then hang up
Imagine answering my phone on my day off. I could never