Is Cloning Ethical?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- Science has unlocked the secret of cloning genetic material using it to artificially reproduce many different types of mammals. It's only a matter of time before humans are cloned. What do we make of this inevitability?
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I read this as “is clothing ethical” and got a little worried
LMAO
Oh dang me too! After I saw your comment I had to reread the title.
I mean in some ways lots of our clothing isn't ethical but please don't take that as a reason to go nude...
is clowning ethical?
Cloning fruit, on the other hand, is perfectly ethical. That's where seedless fruit comes from. As someone who has texture sensitivity problems that make eating certain things difficult, seedless fruit is a Godsend. Now if only there were seedless kiwifruit...
Also plants are absurdly easy to clone, since plant biology is, well, pretty darn weird.
Also I wonder about if it is ethical to just grow organs in isolation, since stem cells (the things needed for cloning) can be gotten from, say, the heart, liver, etc. This makes cloning human embryos for "therapeutic cloning" especially cruel, since it's completely unnecessary and only causes suffering.
Some plants, especially grasses, clone naturally.
And to get harvested like grass
I love Kiwi😋
Grow organs in isolation is being actively research and is very different than cloning. That's being researched through stem cells. They still haven't been able to grow full organs, but it's already possible to grow some tissues to repair existing organs, hopefully with time it will be possible to grow full organs.
Seedless fruit isn’t cloning, it’s from propagating strains of fruit that have biological errors rendering them sterile either through traditional botany or through lab created genetic modifications and then keeping those plants alive. Cloning is an artificial process.
"Your scientist were so pre occupied with wether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should" playing God is dangerous i hope they come to their senses
Ok Jeff Goldblum
@@Princeofknowelege its a fitting quote for the context
Amen
Life uh finds a way...
yes cloning is ethical and as a biologist and a catholic i support it . Cloning of humans is not going happen ever ever not now not ever. we are currently trying to clone species that you and we people killed and whipped out .Our environment needs these creatures for its sustainance and cloning is also used to preserve genetic variations in existing endangered species . Trying to kill and terminate an entire species FROM THE FACE OF OUR PLANET is not laying god ? how can cloning animals for ENVIRONMENTAL protection be a sin . I accepted birth controls teaching of our church the same with abortion and IVF but cloning animals a sin ? no this i just cannot except , why did god gave us knowledge if we cannot use it ? is god given knowledge not a waste if we do no take care of our environment . polluting our Atmosphere , causing extinction , treating animals inhumanly are all fine ? this has for the first time shaken my faith .
If only we had a natural way to create humans already
such a radical notion!
yes cloning is ethical and as a biologist and a catholic i support it . Cloning of humans is not going happen ever ever not now not ever. we are currently trying to clone species that you and we people killed and whipped out .Our environment needs these creatures for its sustainance and cloning is also used to preserve genetic variations in existing endangered species . Trying to kill and terminate an entire species FROM THE FACE OF OUR PLANET is not laying god ? how can cloning animals for ENVIRONMENTAL protection be a sin . I accepted birth controls teaching of our church the same with abortion and IVF but cloning animals a sin ? no this i just cannot except , why did god gave us knowledge if we cannot use it ? is god given knowledge not a waste if we do no take care of our environment . polluting our Atmosphere , causing extinction , treating animals inhumanly are all fine ? this has for the first time shaken my faith .
@@rebeccaanderson5626 not to show any offense, but how do you know cloning of humans will not happen? Is there something different when tried on humans vs other species?
@@rebeccaanderson5626 you had me in the first half not gonna lie
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What is your opinion of Bishop Robert Barron? I think it would be great if you guys got together for a conversation.
This may be a dumb question, but what is the case of a cloned person soul wise? Would they have the same soul as a human made under normal circumstances?
I have no idea of what the church teaches on this however I think it would be similar to the situation with identical twins, right?
@@rtwfreak2012 yeah pretty sure that clones are absolutely, 100% human beings, which is why human cloning is so wrong
@@xp_studios7804 going under the notion that they are 100% human it can then be safe to assume that they would have a soul as well
They do have a soul but they don't have biological parents
@@thethreefriends3002 yeah, I should have been more clear that by 100% human I meant that the soul would have to be there because of that
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“I dream of a place where the scientist and the artist are not bound by the constraints of petty morality, I dream of rapture!”
Andrew Ryan, BioShock, and we all know how that turned out.
Best comment!
yes cloning is ethical and as a biologist and a catholic i support it . Cloning of humans is not going happen ever ever not now not ever. we are currently trying to clone species that you and we people killed and whipped out .Our environment needs these creatures for its sustainance and cloning is also used to preserve genetic variations in existing endangered species . Trying to kill and terminate an entire species FROM THE FACE OF OUR PLANET is not laying god ? how can cloning animals for ENVIRONMENTAL protection be a sin . I accepted birth controls teaching of our church the same with abortion and IVF but cloning animals a sin ? no this i just cannot except , why did god gave us knowledge if we cannot use it ? is god given knowledge not a waste if we do no take care of our environment . polluting our Atmosphere , causing extinction , treating animals inhumanly are all fine ? this has for the first time shaken my faith .
@@rebeccaanderson5626
The impression I get from the video is that cloning animals is fine, so long as we never clone humans.
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Also /Whoosh
@@allthenewsordeath5772 THANK GOD
This is my favorite series of this channel
Yup
If this is not possible to stop, I'm wondering if it's possible to preemptively push for a law to grant potential human clones of all human rights, and possibly that cloners would require parents willing to adopt the clone.
russia has already added a law in their constitution to stop gene clone its not far from many countries putting a stop to gene cloning
Agree. Human clones ought to have human rights. I support ethical human cloning, especially as a Catholic who takes pride in the church’s history of promoting science.
Something I haven’t put much thought into, thank you Father.
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For 30+ years Jurassic Park has been telling us: “don’t screw around with nature!”
This was very insightful and cloning is playing God, so I'm against it.
How so?
how is cloning playing God more than making a mountain? or breeding a specific type of animal?
more importantly, is it not our divine directive to have dominion over the earth?
I think the very fact that we CAN clone completely DEBUNKS the existence of god, so I don’t think they’d be “playing” anything…
@@elexialeyvaMsp "I think the very fact that we CAN clone completely DEBUNKS the existence of god,"
how?
@@marvalice3455 if god is the only thing capable of giving life, how were we able to harness it? It doesn’t matter if there are thousands of failed attempts, it’s possible. and when we get the hang of it, we ourselves can create life from scratch. And I know what you’re thinking, “god is cursing it with all the failed attempts”. So I take it god was cursing us when we were trying to cure ourselves of diseases by drinking mercury? No I believe they are sciences that need to be perfected.
Thank you for this video. Very informative.
I really appreciate this video.
My gut reaction was that I disagreed, but watching this, it presents, to me, novel ideas, and they are well-argued. Or seemingly I can't disagree with them, based on the values I already take as correct.
Thank you for making this video, Fr. Casey!
When I saw it,.I thought the topic was very different than what you normally do.
But I am glad you did.
And would appreciate more philosophical things like this.
It will be a trully horible day when somezhing like this happens .
This cloning process is beginning to sound like the book "Unwind"
appreciate your views father casey.
Thank you For. Casey
I'd be very surprised if humans haven't been cloned already.
Question for Friar Master Casey: *_"You fought in the Clone Wars?"_*
Seriously though, when the Antichrist comes let's pray nothing like this ever happens.
Very well said. Although I was kind of hoping for a comment on animal cloning. There has been talk of using cloning to save endangered species, bring back extinct animals, or even make a new version of a beloved pet. While human cloning is clearly wrong, I wish I knew the stance on these other types.
What of the explicit growth of single organs or tissues for the person whom the sample was taken from?
Speak about CRISPR/CAS9 technique, which, to my point of view, is even more probable to be used as a therapeutic process in the near future
Thanks for this videos.
Only God can bring life and only God knows when our life on earth is over. God Bless you
I don't think anyone wants to clone people. It's about livestock improvement. Why would anyone want to clone a human being?
@@MargaritaMagdalena there are several reasons: for organs, for tissue when the original has tissue damage, for healthy skincells for a burn victim. Well basically to have spare parts that won't be rejected by the body of the person that is cloned.
The question is whether we should though.
@@rvdb7363 As long as we're not making full human beings, what's the problem?
@@rvdb7363 Maybe I don't know enough about this topic tho
@@MargaritaMagdalena I feel the same. I'm also not sure I know enough about the subject to really have a completely informed opinion. Especially on the biological side of things.
I think how people view the ethical side is largely dependent on what moment one believes a lump of cells becomes a person. Someone who believes this happens at the first cell division, will find it completely unethical to use cells of a clone at any stage. While someone who regards a foetus a person from the moment it's viable, might be okay with using cells of a nonviable foetus.
Personally I am most worried about a slippery slope. Because it can lead to a point where you really don't want to go, it's better not to allow it at all. Even though you might find some uses acceptable. Because when you start with cloning, the line of what is deemed acceptable will shift.
I think about how that went with euthanasia in my country. If someone is terminally ill and really suffering, I can understand euthanasia. But in my country the group of people who can request euthanasia has expanded since it became law 18 years ago. First it was only adults of sound mind, who were terminally ill and suffering. Over the years it has come available to teenagers, people who suffer from untreatable mental problems (for example very severe, chronic ptss) and to people with dementia (if they signed a euthanasia statement when they were sound of mind) and now they are discussing making it available to young children, who are too young to understand death or to make this decision for themselves. And I sometimes wonder what our society will deem acceptable circumstances for euthanasia in ten years time.
POWERFUL 🙌🏾 ❤️ Also, terrifying.
Actually, this video really won me over. Very true. Life is magical, as is the creation of life. Cloning for harvesting is wrong. I wouldn’t feel right about it.
yes cloning is ethical and as a biologist and a catholic i support it . Cloning of humans is not going happen ever ever not now not ever. we are currently trying to clone species that you and we people killed and whipped out .Our environment needs these creatures for its sustainance and cloning is also used to preserve genetic variations in existing endangered species . Trying to kill and terminate an entire species FROM THE FACE OF OUR PLANET is not laying god ? how can cloning animals for ENVIRONMENTAL protection be a sin . I accepted birth controls teaching of our church the same with abortion and IVF but cloning animals a sin ? no this i just cannot except , why did god gave us knowledge if we cannot use it ? is god given knowledge not a waste if we do no take care of our environment . polluting our Atmosphere , causing extinction , treating animals inhumanly are all fine ? this has for the first time shaken my faith .
If you watch Star Wars, look at how clone troopers are treated. They were essentially slave soldiers of the Republic in the end having even their own free will stolen and made to kill those whom they became served to, fought with, and bled with, and became friends with.
@@avatarspirit57Which is why it’s important for us to promote the rights and dignity of human clones.
Thank you!
I remember once sophomore year biology my teacher had us do this activity on the computer to teach us how cloning works, and even though that was my year of confirmation, I still wasn't governing myself through the church (same as most teens) but while doing this I felt a disgust, just an innate feeling of how wrong it was.
You are a master teacher
This is a pretty convincing video. I'm curious though, while you've made it clear the Church doesn't approve of human cloning, what is the Church's stance on fully synthetic life/true AI? Ignoring the possibility of creating Skynet or the robots from the Matrix, are there the same issues when it comes to fully artificial life? I guess this could also go into is it possible for a robot to have a soul.
I love the conclusion
If you ask me, if we are to clone humans, we should do so in a manner that uses adult stem cells implanted in artificial embryos and that we should treat them as equals to the rest of us. Would human clones not have the same rights as us?
IVF is a sin?
3:57
Only God can create life.
This is an incredibly intelligent discussion on bioethics. My question would be: if a sentient human clone were to be made, what should we do with it? Suppose it had a will to live and, of course, did not choose to be born.
Even if a human being were created by unethical means, it’s still a human being. God still ultimately has the power to give life and create a soul, and so this being would be just as much alive and blessed as any other human
Out of curiosity, why do you feel that a clone wouldn't have "parents"? I mean, if the clone was raised like homelander in the boys, that would be horribly unethical in and of itself, regardless of whether it was a clone or not. But I'd imagine anyone that is cloned would have someone that wanted to look after them and would thus have parents
Worst case scenario they would basically just be the same as a orphan child. A child is not any less worth of dignity just because they're an orphan I don't see why a clone will be any less worth a dignity as well.
I always wondered what the Church stance was on this issue ?Thanks Fr Casey 💛💟👍👍
“The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are. “
No figure in religion could ever tell me otherwise. Denying the validity and personhood of a person based solely on the circumstances of their birth is downright immoral if you ask me.
Dude, do you really expect the poor bastard getting raised to be okay with themselves? Look at all the horrible things Mewtwo did before he came to that realisation. No one denied their validity, save for those who would be happy to cut them up and throw them away.
@@daniele7989 mew two literally only did those horrible things because they were treated like an object the whole time.
When Abraham had a son with the handmaid of his wife, this was unlawful. Man cannot decide how life comes to be, it's God who created marriage for procreation. Anything outside is wicked and destroys us.
And then you guys wanna make certain scientific advancements illegal just based off your religious beliefs when not everyone shares them
@@turksungerbob728 There philosophical (Non-religious) arguments against it as well, just like abortion.
But this is a veo about why Catholics cannot support it. Cloning is not advancing.
@@vincenzorutigliano5435
I thought you were against cloning for purely religious reasons, since that's what you implied in your comment by exclusively mentioning Abraham.
cloning is advancing science, especially in medical science. It's a new breakthrough that should be carefully studied and researched. He even admitted as much in the video
@@turksungerbob728 the point of the video is "when cloning starts to get unethical" based on his opinion who are shaped by religion
But you dont need to be a religious person to know that harvesting sentient human beigns to get their prgans is an inhuman and evil thing to do
Im agnostic and even i know that way of using the clones is just wrong and despicable
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi you're making it seem like the practice of cloning consists of ripping out the organs of grown, functioning humans to to experiment on them and sell them in some black market, when thats not what it is.
5:30
This is the benefit of induced pluripotent stem cells, and organ printing comes in.
Human cells are harvested from the individual in need of treatment, and reversed to the state of being stem cells. Then they are constructed by a machine into the form needed by the patient.
Im okay with clonnation as long it doesnt go far from just tissue or organs which could improove the life of countless lifes or give them the possibility to live, not tied to a bed or wheelchair
I don’t disagree on the points you made about clones who have no parents or who are made to be organ donors, but I have to ask;
What about Jango Fett and Boba Fett in Star Wars? Jango loved Boba (his clone) as his own son. Is that so wrong? Boba does face discrimination because he is a clone but he lives a remarkable life. And he had a father, Jango. Is cloning wrong if you love the clone child and raise it as your own? It isn’t a “natural” process but at the very least I think we can agree that a human “clone” would be a real person and their birth and life would be a miracle and that the child would be a “person” like us who deserves all of the respect and love that any of us should.
So if/when people inevitably do clone another person, how would YOU treat said person?
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@@PianoForte9096 That was precisely not an answer to my question. So he is saying those who are cloned are not the same as us, now how will you treat those who will be?
@@nategraham6946 I thought you were responding to Father Casey and I was pointing out he said something along the lines of, "even if these people were 'created' by the manipulation of humankind, life is no less precious and amazing," by which you can infer he would treat them like any other person.
I would personally treat them as I do my friend who was conceived through IVF: with dignity and respect, no differently from someone born naturally. People aren't responsible for the circumstances of their birth, so to do otherwise would be foolish.
@@PianoForte9096 And I can very much appreciate your sentiment. I am not entirely sure if he was saying that a cloned person really does share the same spiritual nature we do. I may have missed it.
@@nategraham6946 does it matter? One you're likely to never know if a person was a clone just the same as you would not know if someone was conceived though IFV. Two the concept of "if it walks like a duck." Just like how if we ever create 100% human like artificial intelligence and the fact at you can never actually tell if someone is sentient or just acts like they're sentient the mere act of them pretending to be sentient requires you to treat them as such.
Why is one sheep not called a shep?
Because he is one of the Three Stooges.
8:39 "...but we can't take something that isn't alive and give it life"
Yet. Recreating and even composing new DNA and the rest of cellular machinery from scratch is only several steps removed from simple cloning
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Word.
It is unethical and will be a body without soul
What about a chimera? Blending DNA of two or more creatures to create a new one..maybe a human with chlorophyll in their skin, this could reduce the need for food on, say, long space missions.
Creating " custom" people, to suit a particular environment , or just an "upgrade" overall. I suspect these things and more are not that far off...
I am reminded of a talk a priest gave about social media. He compared it to Frankenstein's monster. A creature made artificially of the human parts and awaken by electricity. Sounds familiar, hm?
In that talk he said social media, like Victor Frankenstein's creature, has become monstrous because its creators and the people around it abuse it.
The first, greatest abuse of human life is to have it on one's own terms. If I can make it at will, I can unmake it at will. How is there any humanism in that, even if humanism were all that mattered,?
There is a movie like this.
What about using cloning to bring back extinct animals that humans caused to go extinct like the dodo, passenger pigeon, or great auk? Obviously cloning people is wrong but what about in this case?
I was hoping he would have addressed that in the video. In my opinion, the cloning of those animals is not only acceptable, but also a noble deed since we were the ones who needlessly drove them to extinction in the first place.
So I'm with you on everything in this except I do have one question. How are we sure that if we clone humans in a sterile lab environment that God will give them a soul? I know this seems a little bit out of the blue or something but just curious
If anybody has any questions about how detrimental this could be you should look at some interviews with Nick Loeb he decided to allow his girlfriend at the time to save eggs for future fertilization now that they are no longer together he actually tried to legally obtain those eggs because they are life and I think he studied what they could possibly be used for as well he also is very pro life at this point and made a movie called Roe v. Wade you can buy this movie on Amazon or rent it to watch maybe this would help people think about it
I can definitely understand that cloning humans is not ethical. One question that I do have though. What about animals? Their flesh/meat in particular? I feel like that could feed a lot of people and create less of a carbon foot print through less butchers.
I’m pretty sure if scientists do succeed in bringing a cloned human being to term it is all literally explained without reference to God. You can’t say humans can’t in fact do something when you’re also saying it’s simply a matter of time before they do. There are ethical considerations to take into account, though, for sure.
If a natural/in vitro fertilisation/clone is able to be born from a woman's womb and is alive with spirit, soul and body just like us; and if God is the author of all life and no one can be born except through his express will; then how can it be said that anyone would be any less "alive" and a person just like us?
Exactly. Any Clone if created has the same dignity and rights as any other human.
@@jeremysmith7176 isnt that the point of the video?
What about cloning a person where only the organ can be formed?
Not the whole person then taking the liver but more like taking a random, let's say stomach cell, finagling it's DNA and meta-DNA and such, then reproducing it.
Only a stomach can form, not a whole person.
I know the movie "The Island" is less well known but it would be a better choice instead of The Matrix."
I won't spoil it though.
That is an awesome movie.
As a scientist I can tell you that there are very little reasons for cloning animals. Large scale cloning leads to a reduction in intra species generic variability, making it very fragile. A species with low variability can be wiped out by a single disease. We have actually observed this with a bird species in the 20th century. To be strong and survival through hardship, as a species, we must actually maximize our variations and genetic différences. This means: Love thy neighbour. Reject racism.
If you consider reproductive clones to be second class citizens because they don't have parents doesn't have extend to orphan children as well?
If cloning is not ethical so seeding flowers is also not ethical?
@@rafaelcalvay1230 well bassicaly you are creating new life
Watch the full video, father Casey makes a good case without relying in a natural/unnatural dichotomy (he is mostly concerned about how the life of the clone would be as well as the social repercussions of that).
How would a clone even have a soul
It's a human, therefor it would have a soul. Even if it's a clone, it still has life because it was born from an embryo. Anything organic that can think for itself has a soul.
@@backtoblitzy76 Would you say dogs and cats have souls?
At the start I found my self going no no no no your wrong shut up. But by the end I found my self thinking hmmm man's got a point and I need to look into this more. I think that if we could just grows liver or an eye without any living being getting thrown in the bin that would be good.
The idea of cloning humans and anything to do with transhumanism always made and makes me sick to the stomach. I don't know why exactly, but I think it is because of it's transgressive nature.
Plus, if a clone would be created of a person, what horrible life it would be to a scientific test subject. We already have questions about doing it on rats, so why would it be okay to do so on a human?
Question: The church teaches that life begins at conception. Since in this case there is no conception, at what point is the “clone” a unique living thing.
Do sacraments carry over?
Interesting thought experiment.
This is to say nothing about the extremely low success rate of this process.
Conception or fertilization results in a diploid zygote as an outcome (with a full set of chromosomes). In the case of cloning, the implantation of a diploid nucleus into a nucleus-less ovum turns it into a zygote; thus a new human (or animal) is formed.
@@kaneki_ryuzaki3249 Yes. There is conception, just a kind of very unnatural kind of conception.
I wish I could clone myself. I need to get more work done.
yeah as long as you don't treat it as a slave but as a human being, an individual with the same rights as you do
Please watch the movie The 6th day. Quite interesting movie on this topic.
if that even happened (when the world actually goes that crazy), will the cloned human be morally responsible? And is he also a creation of God on the same way as us?
But I believe God will never let this happen. Just hope for a change of heart of these people.
What do you mean? If for some reason we cloned you and 20 years later that clone murders someone we as a society just throw up our hands because who cares it's just a clone? A clone brought to term (assuming we don't do any gene manipulation to prevent them from ever becoming sentient and generating a conscience) would have the same about of personhood a non clone would have.
At what point are we “made in the image of god?” It seems like after fertilization, the image is captured by the DNA. Shouldn’t this “image of God” be considered a stamp of approval for future replication via cloning? How does the stamp of approval change if a “chosen” baby dies and the parents decide to clone it and try again? If it’s God’s will that the baby died at birth, the baby will die soon after cloning. If it doesn’t, what does that say about your interpretation of “God’s will?”
For anyone wishing to naturally clone oneself become a Saint.
If you really make the effort and it is God's will, the ability of bilocation will be granted to you, which means that you would be able to be at two places at the same time.
No.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Just like in Frankenstein, this is going to be so bad
To quote the artificially made man in the book:
“God, in pity, made man beautiful and alluring, after His own image; but my form is a filthy type of yours, more horrid even from the very resemblance. Satan had his companions, fellow devils, to admire and encourage him, but I am solitary and abhorred.”
But Eve of you took the Creationist POV is a clone of Adam. She was extracted from Adam's ribs to clone Adam on his female form
Genesis is a book of mythes intended to teach the reason behind our existance and our journey with God, not a scientific book to be taken literally. What is meant by that statement is that Eve is just like Adam, same species with similar desires and needs, we all look alike as humans.
@@j.k.6865 I said in a creationists point of view or POV . I am a Darwinist just so you know. If the Creation is to be taken literally the Eve is a clone of Adam . From Ribs can be the foundations of a backbone and the stem cells is good enough to create an entire human. Besides with the exception of Jesus, all virgin births produces female. Just look at some species of Lizards and on a religious POV Eve's creation can only be accomplished via cloning. DIVINE in nature but cloning never the less since she was produced Asexually
@@bondatcom26 i think clonning of a male can only produce a male, since you did not alter the genes. How can it give a female from a male?
head! Catholic Church doesn't take the creation myth literalistically.
Yes, of course, it is ethical - ethics are what we make them, a changeable code of acceptable behaviours; we must, therefore, rejoice in its modernity - and accompany our brethren on the path of non-judgemental exploration. If that is, humankind and indeed all material creatures with it are - truly - nothing more than some passing forms located in the ever-unfolding evolutionary products of biochemistry at work; and, moreover, it would seem from some advanced treatments of the recent developments in updating our church's teachings, that advancing this kind of fateful notion is a perfectly reasonable expression of the Catholic Faith, one that is best suited for these our times. So, let us say, that since we all now generally accept that 'Adam' is merely an imaginative mythical retro-projection of our current state in this process of evolution .. in becoming human (whatever that may mean - today) .. it follows that our specific active-manipulating agency must also now be fitted into the still-emerging glory of 'life' (gifted to us by mother earth). And if such accidentals do indeed eventually alter the substance of the whole, as science leads us to perceive it - in eliminating the weak or faulty, so that the strong and fit may thrive, well, we must also change our way of witnessing to the spirit of genius at work in our singularly odd kind of self-understanding aka ethically e.g. via the ineluctable modality of the visible, etc.
One can almost see some such twaddle being advanced in the future - the quite close future, btw - as something like the magisterium of this or that ideological theologian's voice = merrily speaking through national bishops conferences, and such like. No doubt a few souls, here or there, might point out that it is totally contrary to the Catholic Faith, as understood across the centuries .. but who is going to listen to such cranky, disruptive, anti-revolutionary, reactionary, hyper-conservative traditionalists ...
Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek.
God bless. ;o)
@@rafaelcalvay1230 I do not, RC .. It is, however, how far too many 'Catholic' theologians - filled to the gills with their favourite Modernist ideologies - do tend to label the once received Christian moral code - as they busy themselves in trying to re-formulate it. Moreover, that sort of twaddle is what is often presented today, officially, as an adequate witness to the Faith .. and Catholics who do dare to hold to Sacred Tradition are deemed to be a combination of Pelagianists and worrisome reactionaries.
I am a little surprised you did not recognise it.
God bless. ;o)
Hey! Faulty human heah!
There is a very common misconception that claims that through most of Church's history, Catholics have been a combination of Bible literalists and followers of a figure with absolute authority (the Pope), and only recent scientists and activists have forced the Church to change that perspective.
However that's far from truth, Aquinas, in Middle Ages already claimed that the Bible contained metaphors, that God was incorporeal, immutable, infinite, and omnipresent(instead of the caricature of a bearded man). He even claimed that some parts of the Genesis should be understood in a symbolic way (when he address the topic of how is possible that the Genesis says that God made the man to his like and image if God doesn't have a body).
Another example: the Apocalypse book was never understood in a literal way before the XIX century.
... so people doesn't have a good idea of how the Church changes and in which direction is able to change. I'm pretty sure the Church will always keep advocating for the human rights, including the human rights of the potential clones or even the cloned embryos.
@@sjw5797 Hell-O Goo-d'by X-Ess Pop-u-lassion Wee-Kling .. Ah! Joy! The Future Loomethest ... ;o)
I agree with most of your video. The one thing I do disagree with is IVF. We have the ability we should be able too. My wife and I battled infertility for 5 years until we got pregnant naturally. I will be a proponent for IVF
Just because it offered you a benefit doesn’t make it moral. What about the extremely high cost? What about the discarded embryos? What about the disconnection between sexual act and creation? These are serious questions
@@BreakingInTheHabit Father, I really struggle to see the reasoning here. How is a pregnancy via IVF within the confines of marriage immoral? It just seems like another advancement of medicine. Should we not encourage a woman prone to miscarriages to use progesterone shots to ensure the child makes it to term? I’m not trying to be argumentative I’m just really wanting to know because I struggle on church teachings when it comes to pre-natal medicine. It seems like the waters get muddied there is all.
Of course there are many that get hostile when religion interferes with progress. These weenies fuss because they object to narcissistic sociopaths they know and work with. These weenies don’t consider there would be far more pathological characters running around to interfere and crowd one’s space if clones were plenty. or maybe, if cloning was abundant and beneficial as these weenies hope we as a society may find clones are preferable , less obnoxious, less pathological. Our dear weenies just might be expendable.
God will do the godly things for us! We as humans should not try to make ourselves gods, rather we should venerate and devote more time to praying to our loving and almighty God!
Im sure they cloned humans already
Let me say this. My mother said it best the Bible says Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Psychologically, it is unhealthy for our life to think that even through the miracle or invitro fertilization and gift of help with family care that way when parents have difficult time as you so well said Father, I am grateful, that it's going to be okay,no matter what. God bless your clarity.
Actually cloning may cause mutations in the human
How?
The mutations would be essentially the same as the one that naturally occur in a normal human body. The vast majority of mutations that happen in the human genome are either imperceptible or completely benign. There Are probably thousands of mutations occuring in my own cells as I type this.
TL;DR
It makes no real difference.
@@batthepunny7277 exactly. Everybody has their own unique set of mutations, but the vast majority of them are neutral mutations which hardly ever make any sort of real difference.
Making ourselves human, like a god is what makes it unethical. God help us!
I’m confused why did God give us the ability to clone animals? Isn’t he the only creator
@@jcxkzhgco3050 God is the only one who can create something from nothing. We can’t do that. We can only copy or put original spins on things that are already here.
After coming from "
An Open Letter to Atheists from a Priest" I expected better arguments considering the kind of books you suggest atheists should read to be merely "good."
Summary of the video: we agree with ethical standards of scientific institutions and don't want baby organ plants just like the scientific community.
Please make a video about what people attack so hard the church Catholic and the Pope. it's sad and how it break the feith of many. my husband is in a way of conversion he is Catholic but he has many doubts I help him always I pray for him ,. I take to him to the Holy Eucharist every Sunday we see a video every Friday now his dad sent to him a video about the church the pope is evil , even his dad was starting to believe in God in the church Catholic little by little but many videos fakes make me sad his own father sending this information to my husband making him maybe doubt when he already is in way to love and know more the church Catholic , why people so bad making all kind of videos again the church the pope broke my heart I feel sad , I will pray even for all of them , amen
Guys, HERE is the Original Semitic Text. You NEED to READ This
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
I strongly disagree, cloning is a process of replicating life, not much different to the old fashion. If we believe in the concept of God and the soul, independent of the method of creation a human is a human, on the other hand the catholic defends the concept that we are all (except Jesus) born from sin; we could argue that cloning might be less sinful, thus ethically a better choice.
There are commandments about fornication, but not about invivo human replication.
Will a cloned human being be able to believe in God?
Father I have a question.
What is the Church position on prostitution? I know is wrong but I think Saint Agustine didn't want to criminalize it
Neither did St. Thomas Aquinas. Their logic at the time was based on the virtue of Prudence: the wisdom to know what ills are within your power to address and the serenity to accept those those you can’t, leaving the issue to a future generations in a better position to defeat that institution. At the time, while Aquinas and Augustine clearly knew it was morally wrong, they also knew just how firmly rooted it was in the societies of Europe at the time, and that when the Church tried to ban them, the institution simply went underground the pimps would continue to prosper, and the prostitutes, who were often the victims of the institution, not truly culpable in its crimes, would suffer even further, either at the hands of an unmerciful “justice” system or in the secret brothels now unchained from any public scrutiny. Essentially, where it has been successfully eliminated it should remain that way, where it can be without causing further harm it should be, but where it is firmly entrenched, the Church must move more cautiously, starving it of its power over generations of changing hearts and minds before decisive action can be taken-this is true of many social sins: they are always evil, but if the devil has convinced enough folks that it is normal, it can be impossible to eliminate in the short term, and the best decision for the faithful is to simply mitigate its worst effects and eliminate the many other sins that feed into it first.
I mean , seriously , have any of you played Mortal Kombat ? .Cloning can not have a good effect on a clone's psychology .
Also , if we do have Clones in the future , I will wait patiently for the first Clone Saint .
God says that collects the particles of the dead people and raise them again .
Cloning prove it , when human can do it , God that our creator, don’t do it ?
Not ethical
I condemn human cloning, mankind is always interfering with the Work of the Creator, God the FATHER, what a shame!
yes cloning is ethical and as a biologist and a catholic i support it . Cloning of humans is not going happen ever ever not now not ever. we are currently trying to clone species that you and we people killed and whipped out .Our environment needs these creatures for its sustainance and cloning is also used to preserve genetic variations in existing endangered species . Trying to kill and terminate an entire species FROM THE FACE OF OUR PLANET is not laying god ? how can cloning animals for ENVIRONMENTAL protection be a sin . I accepted birth controls teaching of our church the same with abortion and IVF but cloning animals a sin ? no this i just cannot except , why did god gave us knowledge if we cannot use it ? is god given knowledge not a waste if we do no take care of our environment . polluting our Atmosphere , causing extinction , treating animals inhumanly are all fine ? this has for the first time shaken my faith .
@@rebeccaanderson5626, thank you, I respect your opinion, together we condemn human cloning.
@@reemsuekar8112 As a Catholic biologist who tried to follow all the dogmatic teachings of the church . when Father Casey sad that clonning is immoral I was in a rage mode .
This is because I had lived my entire life in genetics (I am only 25 so not that many years) . This video came out while I am working on a research to bring back the northern white rhinoceros a functionally extinct species . What is your opinion on chimera -human organ harvesting . I think they are completely moral, just wanted to know your opinion .
@@rebeccaanderson5626 , my friend, please forgive me, I’m about to vomit just by googling it. No hard feelings, I have to disagree with you this time.
@@reemsuekar8112 WAIT IT IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK THERE IS NO HUMAN BEING INVOLVED IN IT . Whenever a patient requires organs to be donated which are hard to find
He could have some of his stem cells Removed . remember that stem cells have the ability to differentiate into any kind of human cell thus form all tissues . we can genetically engineered a pig embryo so that it does not a produces let say a liver . As the Embryo develops the stem cells from human being could be injected in the pig embryo . The stem cells would develop inside the pig into a human organ . Cause the entire organ is made up of the person's own cell there is no chance of rejection of the organ by body . Also pig organs are similar to humans geometrically . Obviously there is a lot of more complication in it . But we are not creating a human pig hybrid . Only a portion of the pigs body is acting as a grow bag for the organs . After reaching sustainable age they could be slaughtered and the organ could be transplanted.
Next up: torturing handicapped babies to death is.... Unethical
cloning reduces human dignity NOT God's dignity.
I would say that if it becomes a reality. I would say that it will be the second biggest issue after abortion. To be on bord with. I am gender non confirming male. I believe that a great gay/lesbian couple is better at rather than a bad stright couple. I even use she/her for mtf trans people and he/him for ftm people. I am not totally pro LGBTQ. I would like gay marriage to unconstitutional, I would even be transgender if I was not Catholic. I even believe that a loving stright couple is the best candidate for adapting kids.