That is why we have world's largest democracy There is saying in kannada ಮಾತು ಬಲ್ಲವನಿಗೆ ಜಗಳವಿಲ್ಲ Which means -the one who knows how to talk,need not fight with anyone
looks like a fighter-bomber 6th gen means it can fly with AI drones, etc? meh, how can you rule that out? this generation thing is just a marketing ploy
He said I’m not expert but he talks like a expert and continues over 40 minutes on fighter ✈️. Modi ji please hired him otherwise he will hire himself after the show.
No India is doing a lot. Just that the same amount of focus and effort given to IGMDP was not given to aerospace engines. We have talent and capabilities, but we have procrastinated for a long time. Developing supply chains will take some time.
@@swarnendughosh5721 Well! IGMDP is not a joke. We have exported Prithvi, Akash and Brahmos. Agni is nightmare for the enemies. Even France has expressed interest in Pinaka missiles. Nobody thought that India would be a defence exporter to the US 10 years ago. Look at the recent SpaDEx mission. Well the Kaveri engines and Tejas have taken more than a generation to develop, which is surely a lacuna. It's very late now in terms of aerospace powerplants, but better late than never.
We will likely see LCA Mk2 by 2050 and AMCA by 2100, the way IAF operates. China always builds and flies and then keeps improving. IAF by contrast wants the best on Day 1, which is not going to happen when you’re building your R&D from scratch. That’s why this aircraft is an ominous development
@@Spyron_AMCA also dead. Who will provide engine 🤔. Latest new, America will not provide/transfer 80% technology to HAL. I don't blame them either. Its the weakness of India and its technology.
Indians are good at comforting themselves by downplaying their development n making fun of Chinese 😂 Compared to chinese firms DRDO will be atleast 30 yrs behind.
While it's true that a tech enthusiast can have valuable insights, there's a difference between general knowledge and expertise. A genuine expert brings a depth of understanding, often rooted in formal education or professional experience, that goes beyond surface-level comparisons. For instance, in aerospace, understanding the intricacies of propulsion systems or aerodynamics isn't something a casual enthusiast can achieve. Similarly, when comparing complex products like iPhones and Samsungs, insights from a developer or someone with firsthand technical expertise provide a more accurate, nuanced perspective than casual observations.
I didn't even watch this video but i can give you tge conclusion. Saurav Jha might be of the opinion that the chinese Jet Engines aren't worth a dime and the fighter jet are peice of junk and America is so advanced and we need to develop indigenous engines and within few years we will be more advanced than United States. Look guys, i didn't watch the video and i probably wouldn't.
brother you are absolutely wrong he talked about how it is far better than j 20 and j 35 and the 6th generation may become a serious threat and how they are improving at a war footing
Typical Indian response to Chinese technological advancements. Compare it with US technology and declare it to be lagging and therefore inferior. Meanwhile, India struggles with even 4th generation jets. Mk2 is still on paper.
You’re right. India always dismisses others like china advanced technology. India just tried to find anything on the paper, and assumed India already owns anything from USA or Europe
He Didnot! R u guys On Drugs? He said It not Made as figter but it made in mind what j20 can't do today! It may not be 6th gen but it's Made for What j20 can't do!so we should focus on the program and Fast tract one of them is Jet engine! And Drone technology using those we can Counter The Chinas Newst Sytems! Our Missle program is good becus we filled thorough unlike our Jet series!
I always like to watch Indian commentators banter about their own views about things happening in other countries. All the talk amount to nothing much but the articulation of their views make for interesting viewing. I think that is what Indians are good at. TALK.
Your guest doesn’t know anything about Jet Engine and his take on WS-15 engine is so lame .. he’s coping so much . Ps:- According to Open sources the WS-15 engine has more thrust power than F22 F119 Engine .
Aadi. Frankly speaking, I did my MTech on Turboachine from IISC B lore, intended to work on Gas Turbine in 1979. Did"t get any chance . Forcefully joined Pump Manf co. NOW IAm old, but my sincere feeling, People interested in Turbo m/c must get opportunity to serve in Gas turbine, axial flow compressor industry. Such people are assette of our country. Govt must think in this line also. Now time has come to realise it❤❤❤
Most of the video is pure cope. 1) You CANNOT tell if it is a variable cycle engine from the outside. 2) WS-15 is capable of super cruise without the need to engage in afterburners, so it is a 5th gen engine. 3) Even if a desired engine is not being installed, China could very well install it say 5 years from now when the J-36 is being inducted into the PLA, there is currently no manufacturing bottlenecks in any manufacturing fields for China.
I think he is getting confused WS-15 with WS-10G engine .. Non of the statement he said about WS-15 makes any sense , American experts agree that WS-15 is comparable with F22 ‘s F119 engine and have more thrust (17.5 and 19ton) and like you said the WS-15 has the ability to Supercruise without the use of Afterburner too .. this dude is either high on some kind of smoke or his coping so badly .
Exactly , first of all china has not published anything about the ws15 engine or any other engines and secondly who says chinese are going to use ws-15 engine on that aircraft . I mean its pure coping assumption and nothing more 😂😂
@@kapilesh14 he said they don't have the engine for 6th gen aircraft so they put a 4th gen engine lol . 1) how does he know that j20 has 4th gen engine when there is no chinese published specifications for that. 2) how does he know that that aircraft is gonna use ws-15 engine when it is launched ? Its just a shameless self morale boosting 😂
@@aniket1638 The two fools have no idea what they are looking at. China has not just redefined aviation history with at least 2 6th Gen fighter jets. China has redefined how planes are built. China is using 3D printing to reduce the weight of the air frame by at least 30%. China is a runaway leader in 3D printing technology. China has new all spectrum radar wave absorbing materials for the new skin. And these 6 gen planes are designed to have low RCS from ALL DIRECTIONS. And these fools are talking about engines. India is so far behind that Indians have no idea what to look at.
Underestimating and mocking others doesn't make you any better or advanced. Yes it might work for comforting your audience, which is basically cheating and betraying your own people.
I think India does not need to spend money on the development of aircraft engines, but how to quickly build toilets, manufacture chips, manufacture locomotives and wheels for high-speed railways, and how to mass-produce shoes, toys, furniture, etc. A fourth-rate country always worries about what first-rate countries do. India is a country that is strong in empty talk, weak in practical work, and does not know itself, and has mysterious self-confidence.
Remember what India was saying about 5th gen J20. Now they have deployed a lot of them only 150km away from Indian border. A biggest mistake you are making is that underestimating your enemy.
J20s are piece of joke. Understand one thing if China is actually so powerful than by now they would have already attacked India. Not only didn't attack but they also backed out from Galwan, so they are more into show off & nothing
It's time for a reality check: by the time India wraps up its debates, China will have completed testing, established new production plants, and deployed multiple squadrons. India needs to stop talking and take decisive action instead.
Well that your idea.. for your own happiness...😂😂😂India neither feel grief nor denial. India simply observe what is there... and seriously do critical analysis. First go and understand US NGAD concept and their concept of 6th gen. Then go analyise about Chinese no vertical stabilizer large aircarft. Apart from outter shape, outter aspect and 4th gen engine no outsider know anything. No one knows their network centric capacities, cognitive combat capacity,etc. Also thermal signatures with such engines are impossible to hide. And Regarding India so for defence we have to get some 5th gen aircraft to level up game to some extent with such plane... which can have if we want from foreign players. Remember India still manage to stand in front of china when India was flying SU MKI when Chinese were having J 20.😂😂😂 For development aspect.. The Chinese are only moving ahead because for decades they were working on reverse engineering, and hacked data to learn and manufacturing and now reach this stage of building on their own before western and Russian. Chinese scientists were getting clear vision, support, strategy and technology got through other sources. India can't do IP violation like that. And Indian scientists are only know getting right vision, support and strategy to go ahead.
WS15 thrust to weight ratio is at least 10:1 or 11:1 and comparable to F119 engine. How is this not a fifth gen engine? Because its not reliable? from which source? That engine is still classified and not sold to any third party. How do you know its stats when China haven't release the data?
This looks like expert of fighter jet engine .why not making 5ft generation fighter jet engine for India rather than buying from USAand other countries .
India will always be behind China in terms of R&D. India can never compete with China's innovations. By the time China develops 10th generation Fighter jets ; India wil stilll be looking to induct its Tejas jets 😂😂😂😂
The reality check is that Chinese government did not claim these are 6th Gen fighters and they are also long way from being established as 6th Gen fighters by the Chinese air force, to be established as front line fighters there are many process that need to go through. The first J20 prototype flew on 11/01/2011 then enter into service in 2017 about 6 years after its first flight. Even when the plane was put into service it went through no less than 5 engine upgrades so nothing remain static over the time.
One of the best guests, keep inviting Saurabh Jha from Indigenious Defence Appreciation Hour to apprise us larger audience of what should be the correct path towards Atmanirbhar Defence Acquisation Policy.
China has made something by reverse engineering, here people do not even know reverse engineering. I too became young after listening to the LCA program. But the engine of this plane has not been made till date. We are not able to make even one engine of a 4th gen fighter plane and are eyeing 5th and 6th gen countries. Saar, Foreign maal saar😂
Your Indian even can't build any 2nd or 3rd GEN jet engine by yourself. that's why you have to buy many F414 and M88 engines, then ask US and France to transfer their tech or production line to Indian.
@FrankZhang-pj9nn But your Chinese dad has not been able to make better Russian engine options even after reverse engineering. That is why you sold most JF-17s with Russian engines. Because your engine was crap, that's what was said by your strategic ally Pakistan. If Indians start doing reverse engineering, they will make many times better engines than you. You Chinese don't even know how to copy properly, lol. At least we're not doing reverse engineering of other people's belongings.
@@yatraman-k8k i think you are just a not educated indian, pakistan wanted the plane fast and to be in service and rd-33 was already part of the licensing China had with Russia. Russia gave the green light to Pakistan to have it on their fighter jets. China offered Pakistan the WS-13 but the cost will increase due to higher efficiency and higher thrust, but Pakistan can't afford it if they wanted the amount of planes to be met within the budget they have
@@FrankZhang-pj9nn China Technology Progress = Reverse Engineering That's it. You even sold JF-17 to Pakistan, Nigeria with your reverse engineering engine. And they failed and crashed in those countries. This is why Pakistan demanded to replace your 3rd gen copy-paste engine with Russian engines. Nigeria canceled the order for additional JF-17s. Develop your own engine first, not by reverse engineering. At least, India is developing its own engine. Not an engine with reverse engineering
this guy speak nonsense. for the current turbo fan engine. F135 (used on F-35)> WS15 (used on J-20B)=AL41(used on Su-57)>F119(used on F-22)>WS19(used on J-35)>F414>M88-2>RD33, France only has M88 which isn't the same level with WS15. WS-15 is 18 tons turbo fan engine. M88 is the same level with F414 and WS-19. for the variable cycling engine, actually no country made a progress from what I heard. China usually took step by step strategy, build J-36 with WS-15 first (no matter which Gen called), when the variable cycling engine is ready, just replace it. just what we did on J-20.
M88 best engine best in it's category Safran makes very efficient & reliable engine only it's doesn't have money to invested in project that's why it collaboration with India provide design & tech to produce helicopter engine for different helicopter categories including future IMRH going forward it will partner in 5th generation engine project with GTRE
@@amitkumarsingh1709 M88 is not suitable for fifth gen. If you want to leverage the performance of AMCA, you still need to seek ej200. even f414 is not a better choice.
When you say is it really a 6th gen fighter you sound very stupid as you have not yet built a fighter engine yet and you are underestimating your main rival and criticizing their technological achievements. Its a looser talk.
As per him if the jet size or design doesn't match his idea than it's not possible. By stealing US tech the chinese have become so good at reverse engineering and even bettering it, even the US feels chills. And here they just downplay it.
I am very curious, what is India worried about? India is not China's strategic opponent now, at least in the next 30 years. What India needs to do now is industrialization, not a high-level arms race with China. India is not qualified to have a high-level arms race with China.
Ahhh i love watching Indian channels discussing and in denials lol..saying its not 6th generation aircraft yet they don't even have a 5th generation aircraft bwahahaha 😂
The guest knows something but missing a lot about the Chinese engine development. It's joke he said WS-15 is a 4th gen engine and he is entirely unaware of China's latest engine programs.
If he is aircraft expert or engineer than I would've believed his narrative but he (saurav jha) is a author or economic analyst. How can I believe his narrative...
He works with industries write economic paper for them including defence & aerospace That' why he knows many people in this field that' why he knows about it My brother works for P&W in US he told same thing about Chinese engine project that they copy Russian propulsion tech that have serious flaws since Start since Soviet times that because Soviet want cheap engine in large quantities & they don't have enough resource & time to invest in improve their engine
It is the first one in the world to use scramjet or detonation engine (in the middle of the plane) for much more higher and stable hypersonic power after the plane is boosted above supersonic speed by two conventional engines. Conventional engine’s plane only dominates the flight activities around 2 km high. The ramjet requires a critical speed point to trigger and ignite the ramengine. So, this new jet’s target is dominating the activities not only lower than 20 km high altitude, but also even close to space, a brand new 6th gen jet plane’s requirement from Chinese. As the chief designer of Chengfei said, the new feature of the 6th gen aircraft should have its cross-space technology and capabilities. It means it can not only fly at over Mach 2 using the conventional engine in about 2 km high, like the 5th gen aircraft, but also fly at the hypersonic speed using modern new engines such as scramjet or explosive thrust in the near-space (at about altitude of 20 km or higher) under very few air resistance. In addition, its pneumatic shape is similar to Chinese equipped hypersonic slide missile, DF17, and two Chinese newly revealed hypersonic aircrafts, MD19/MD22. Instead of DSI inlet as in J20, which can only fly at Mach 2, it chosen RAHI inlet as in F22 for its >Mach 3 flight.
Compared with traditional engines, the diameter of the Chinese-made rotary detonation engine is only 0.3 meters, the flight speed reaches Mach 4, and the flight altitude exceeds 20 km. Its thermal efficiency is close to 50%, while that of traditional engines is only 27%. Even if the latest variable cycle engine XA-100 in the United States is improved by 25% on the traditional basis, it is only about 35%. The technical parameters of the rotary detonation engine are a qualitative leap compared to these. At the same time, due to the characteristics of full combustion, its fuel consumption is only 1/3 of that of conventional engines. It means that under the same conditions, the range of aircraft using detonation engines can reach 3 times that of traditional aircraft engines, which can make the global strike capability of fighter jets deployed around the clock a reality. Moreover, according to the South China Morning Post, Chinese researchers are also developing a new type of engine combined technology with rotary detonation and oblique detonation to meet the needs of different speed ranges, allowing aircraft to accelerate directly from Mach 0 to 16.
India was shocked by China's military progress in the last few days when they saw China's new jets. However for the last decades, strangely ignored and downplayed China's years of economic development and accomplishments. It means that Indian are only believing in military power but not the people's economic well beings.
Instead it is a reality check for India. Mind you, it is just a test flight. Just the first step and it is not perfect. Whatever or however these gentlemen put down the J36, it is a beginning for China's aviation into higher level aviation. Instead, these gentlemen should spend their energy criticizing India's inability even to indigenously design and produce a 4th generation aircrafts.
Today China has the money and is deeply involved in R & D hence they are making long strides in many fields....their airforce being one of them. China will also come up with more advanced jet engines in the years to come.
every one in india is talking expert. how do you know this plan's engine is ws15, how do you know ws15 is not a what so call 6th generation engine. china never officially release any information about these devices.
The "China is amazing" rhetoric, as interpreted by some Japanese analysts, appears to be part of a broader propaganda strategy suggesting that China's technological prowess in military aviation is so formidable that it almost guarantees victory in any conflict scenario. The narrative seems to push an idea of inevitability, encapsulated in phrases like, "China is a great country that is ahead of the world in technology and can even build planes like this, so if you fight a country like that you're bound to lose, so just surrender quickly." This could be viewed as an attempt to psychologically influence adversaries or potential adversaries by showcasing not just military hardware but also the narrative of technological dominance.
Indian people, stop worrying about Chinese 6th Gen airforce. If they are not real, then you dont need to worry about them. IF they are real, well, u still don't need to worry about them, because they are not for you. So..., stop worrying already.
Here is what they want. They want to believe that the J20 is not fifth gen and J36 is just an upgraded version of J20 for bombing missions. Coping and downplaying China is a national pastime in India.
🤣🤣 india is large economy because of software engineers and IT. AI started making software now. China built deep sake LLM faster than chatgpt. We are 50 years behind china
@ItsmeMail interesting that indian works for foreign companies and has not been able to produce applications with IP rights, nor able to make anything like tiktok, wechat,temu, alibaba, tencent,etc
The technical part was largely OHT, but it was reassuring to know that .... . China does not have 6 th generation fighters but at best 5.5 generation . And that development of engines is of top priority need. We at best have 4.5 generation fighters, the Rafael, and the engine problem is being addressed, but will take time. At present we are lagging behind hugely in Rn D and in development. Procurement from other countries is there but they too are trying to hold us up. A very technical discussion, and an opportunity to learn for non technical persons like me. Thank you Saurabh Jha ji, your knowledge and control of speach was impressive. You didnt halt once even to take breath!!!! Aadi Achint ji, thank you for opening the window for us to know and learn. Definitely, the people with know how would have understood and enjoyed more. 🙏
I think India does not need to spend money on the development of aircraft engines, but how to quickly build toilets, manufacture chips, manufacture locomotives and wheels for high-speed railways, and how to mass-produce shoes, toys, furniture, etc. A fourth-rate country always worries about what first-rate countries do. India is a country that is strong in empty talk, weak in practical work, and does not know itself, and has mysterious self-confidence.
Let me tell the Indians what the sixth-generation aircraft is. The Chinese believe that the aircraft that can suppress (dimensionality reduction) the fifth-generation aircraft is the sixth generation. We will not believe in the definition of Westerners. We have our own standards for defining the sixth-generation aircraft. If the Indians can make a propeller plane that can suppress the fifth-generation aircraft, the propeller plane you produce is the sixth-generation aircraft. It is recommended that Indians do not talk nonsense. Even if you can produce what you think is the sixth-generation aircraft engine, if you do not have gallium nitride radar and hypersonic long-range missiles, you cannot produce a practical sixth-generation aircraft. The sixth-generation aircraft is not just the carrier of the aircraft. Do Indians understand?
@Huaxiaviewpoint华夏观点 Design/ Role analysis of China’s 6th gen fighter jet Binkov's Battlegrounds This video talks about China's and perhaps world's first 6th gen fighter jet. It analyzes its features and its possible role. It also explores just where in the production process China is with its 6th gen fighter. th-cam.com/video/QObnFiXjkO4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XotDAib-PWzz4iEp
It is rare to see an economist speak so eloquently and masterfully on manufacturing, high-end technologies, and defence technicalities and with such ease and understanding. Please welcome Saurav ji to be more frequent. My opinions come from a professional manufacturing background with high end capex based technologies, which is why Saurav ji’s knowledge really makes a pleasant audience.
Tejas in reality is just 3.5th gen fighter plane, no where near a f-14 level. The su-30mki and also rafale are just early 4th gen, 4.5th gen are those with f-18 hornet level. having 4th gen plane doesn't mean india knows how to make them. radar, avionics, engine are all guarded secret. even exported planes have very high IP attached to them. 5th gen planes are also a platform level but relies alot on stealth and gps. 5.5th gen only China has managed to touch it. even f-35 no longer consider at the 5th gen level, it can't go even mach 1.2 due to the loaded bombs. it has stealth but can't meet the speed. 6th gen is a platform with so many other combination, it is sky combat node with modular subsystems to meet different operations, basically a plug and play with ai ucav either aew, helicopter drone or ucav for surveilance or combat ucav etc
Compared with traditional engines, the diameter of the Chinese-made rotary detonation engine is only 0.3 meters, the flight speed reaches Mach 4, and the flight altitude exceeds 20 km. Its thermal efficiency is close to 50%, while that of traditional engines is only 27%. Even if the latest variable cycle engine XA-100 in the United States is improved by 25% on the traditional basis, it is only about 35%. The technical parameters of the rotary detonation engine are a qualitative leap compared to these. At the same time, due to the characteristics of full combustion, its fuel consumption is only 1/3 of that of conventional engines. It means that under the same conditions, the range of aircraft using detonation engines can reach 3 times that of traditional aircraft engines, which can make the global strike capability of fighter jets deployed around the clock a reality. Moreover, according to the South China Morning Post, Chinese researchers are also developing a new type of engine combined technology with rotary detonation and oblique detonation to meet the needs of different speed ranges, allowing aircraft to accelerate directly from Mach 0 to 16.
The Kaveri engine faced several short-term challenges in meeting the requirements for the Tejas. Firstly, its thrust output was lower than expected-designed for 81 kN with an afterburner, it only achieved around 70-75 kN, which was insufficient for the aircraft's operational needs. Additionally, the engine was heavier than originally planned, negatively affecting the Tejas' weight-to-thrust ratio and overall performance. These issues hindered the aircraft's effectiveness in meeting its design goals.
WS-15 max thrust 36390-40470 lbs, F119 max thrust 35000 lbfs. J20 has a better engine than F22. Both are twin engine machines. F35 uses F135 which has the max thrust of 43000 lbs, bigger than WS-15, but it is a single engine jet. Therefore, J20 is the most powerful jet among them.
you are correct. but this guy said US is the leader followed by France then Russia then China. but France M88-5 isn't the same level with WS-15, it can't even beat WS-19 and F414 engine. for the big horsepower turbo fan engine, there are only three players. US, Russia and China. even UK, France can't make it.
BRO WIKIPEDIA KNOWLEDGE lol , FIRST OF ALL , THRUST doesn't matter only , how efficient it is that matters in 5TH gen engines not THRUST , otherwise russian AL41 generates 180kn thrust but why russian needed to make AL51 kn engine with less KN thrust ?? indians have less knowledge OMG
@@jamoon9341 if you talk about thrust-to-weight ratio, WS-15 is >10 per wiki. it's the same level with F-119 and F-135. BTW both WS-15, F-135 and F-119 are 4th Gen engine. there is no 5th Gen engine in US. the guy in the video didn't know this.
What's he has not spoken about is that the Chinese stole Western technology (& not invent it) and then built on it. So their path was easier than India's. Also, one of the Indian issue is that main R & D is with government entity, where talent is not the main factor to recruit. And somehow we Indians feel elated when our engineers get highly paid jobs overseas and not feeling dismayed about losing talent.
@aadi anchit As an aeronautical engineer ...I Must say this is one of the closest podcast loaded with information and technical aspects in a concise form .... One of the best I've heard
India is a bad loser... We failed to upgrade our defence, economy and now discussing that China's Aircraft is 5th generation not 6 generation. Is there any accountability of Modi or not ?
So basically the much hyped up '6th Generation' Fighter cannot even be classified as a fighter and most importantly does not have a 6th generation 3 Stream Variable Cycle Engine, just a disjoint setup of three 4th generation WS15 Engines put together with possible improvements in material or stealth capabilities to show off as a big milestone - obviously a fake milestone.. and also in line with its predecessors J36 suffers from relaibility issues. And a consolation shoutout for all the poor souls cheergirling for Xhinese 6th generation fighter is in order😂😂 Jaya ShreeRaama🙏🙏 Jaya Bhaaratham🙏🙏
India and Indian people would rather appreciate a conversation about the capabilities of our Indian airforce. While we criticize the Chinese efforts we should also applaud our aviation failures. Forget about making anything significant we have failed to even purchase the aircrafts through MARCA for good 20 years. Committee pe Committee banao aur maal luto batten karo.
The guest seems knowledgeable, but just cos the jet design doesnt match his understanding of a 6th gen, it doesnt mean it's not possible, maybe chinks are not fully yet there but they are surely way way ahead of india.
The strategic autonomy that India exerts in the geopolitical arena would be counter productive if she doesn't achieve self reliance and consistent focus into semiconductors, defence and aviation technologies and other critical technologies.
@plant_leaf Yea R&D of Copy and pasting and Tech Theft from America that's why their fighter jet looks like cheap knock off copy of American jets anyways blind people like you can't see anything what could be done war is not only won with Fighter jets but also different Technology yes we're behind Xina in Making fighter jets but that doesn't mean they could do a sht that's why they had to run back away from Galwan So we have our positives and negatives Enjoy 😏
It is a true sixth gen fighter not a 5.5 gen in capability, let me explain you why? As sixth gen fighter are not meant to do close range dogfights, that is the job of drones who can pull 9plus g or even more for longer time than any manned fighter. So whole argument that it is not super manoeuvrable is idiotic. Look the Lockheed model for us airforce NGAD program it is also tailless design. Regarding engine well the thing that matters the most is energy produced to power the advance electronics, which china has the best second to only USA. We should focus on our Kaveri engine ASAP.
There are usually 5 stages of Pain: Denial, Anger, Suffering, Depression and Acceptance.
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Indians no need to worry this is not true 6th Generation 😂
They can call it whatever they want. Put it into action.
@@chinhphan4787 right, right, right! Not battle tested, right? LOL
Indians still at stage one.😂😂😂
A Dalit dreaming of sleeping with Tylor Swift. 😆
We are champions in discussing others
Our talking is really coping.
so many indians are master of talking that amazes me
印度從上到下都在欺騙與蒙蔽自己的國民，永遠不讓國民知道自己的問題與位置。怎麼可能發展的起來呢。
Western CEO skills
more like blabbering than actual discussion. So many wrong info.
The Chinese never even claimed it's a 6 gen.. They simply flew 2 new jets.
@@kimchiba4570 对，都是网民自己说的，官方没有发表任何信息
Very true...all started mostly by ppl outside China
@@kimchiba4570 中国政府没有发表任何消息，就说明这确实是6代机，要不是6代机，中国军方肯定会发消息出来，政府已经默认就是6代机，官方电视台也说是6代机，所以不用怀疑
@@frank-js9nf 默认什么？官方为什么要出来给你们解释？哪个官方电视台说六代机了？
Netizens calling it 6th gen because it's tailless.
China was a sleeping lion. India is a daydreaming lion.
Keep on sleeping 😂😂😂😂
Bharat is a tiger not a lion. And tigers wake up suddenly with no warning.
@@hugowilliams1988 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes Indian are very funny people.
Super funny tabhi to sab india aate the lootne ke lyee@@centralkingdom8141
And you were a thief
Talk, talk, talk... Indian are definitely good talkers. Keep talking.
That is why we have world's largest democracy
There is saying in kannada
ಮಾತು ಬಲ್ಲವನಿಗೆ ಜಗಳವಿಲ್ಲ
Which means -the one who knows how to talk,need not fight with anyone
@@Dicloxacillin_dexmedetomidine and fill with racism,inequality ,corruption and hatred towards Muslims and christians
@@Dicloxacillin_dexmedetomidine democracy?? Whole government is looting people
i don't think there's one show in china talks about india
@@fatdoi003 not exclusively. but Chinese want to get along with Indian
They talked all the way and fooled the top management of Boeing and you see the trouble Boeing is suffering now. 😂😂
So Indians can sleep well after listening to this talk since these planes are not sixth generation jets.
Yup, his talk is just coping to calm our nerves to sleep.
looks like a fighter-bomber
6th gen means it can fly with AI drones, etc? meh, how can you rule that out?
this generation thing is just a marketing ploy
Yeah bec war will be fought only with planes, our missiles r for show, worry about ur own sleep u troll
And yes its not 6th gen, u can name it whatever
India has not even built a 5th generation.
Those who do not acknowledge the excellence of others and cannot see their own shortcomings will always be losers.
India has a mentality, Made in China.
He said I’m not expert but he talks like a expert and continues over 40 minutes on fighter ✈️. Modi ji please hired him otherwise he will hire himself after the show.
@@lobsangpalden4743 but was he wrong though? Can you prove any of his points wrong? I dont think so.
@@dragonbane44
Wast of time proving his points when he’s not an expert or has no experience
@@jerviercater cop out reply as expected
India talks more while China works more
i 1000% agree. india like to talk talk talk. at the end of the day, people want to see the result
No India is doing a lot. Just that the same amount of focus and effort given to IGMDP was not given to aerospace engines. We have talent and capabilities, but we have procrastinated for a long time. Developing supply chains will take some time.
😂😂 joke of the decade 😂😂@@Abcxyz123-g3i
@@swarnendughosh5721 Well! IGMDP is not a joke. We have exported Prithvi, Akash and Brahmos. Agni is nightmare for the enemies. Even France has expressed interest in Pinaka missiles. Nobody thought that India would be a defence exporter to the US 10 years ago.
Look at the recent SpaDEx mission.
Well the Kaveri engines and Tejas have taken more than a generation to develop, which is surely a lacuna.
It's very late now in terms of aerospace powerplants, but better late than never.
@@Abcxyz123-g3i china has 450 nuclear weapons...and more uploading
We will likely see LCA Mk2 by 2050 and AMCA by 2100, the way IAF operates. China always builds and flies and then keeps improving. IAF by contrast wants the best on Day 1, which is not going to happen when you’re building your R&D from scratch. That’s why this aircraft is an ominous development
We need Engine first to be refined well
@@Spyron_AMCA also dead. Who will provide engine 🤔. Latest new, America will not provide/transfer 80% technology to HAL. I don't blame them either. Its the weakness of India and its technology.
To refine an aero engine we need operational experience to pin down the flaws. That comes only AFTER we start using it in the first place
Indians are good at comforting themselves by downplaying their development n making fun of Chinese 😂
Compared to chinese firms DRDO will be atleast 30 yrs behind.
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The way this guy is explaining like en engine expert..i wonder why can't he make one 3rd g or 4g engine for India??
😂😂😂😂
He is doing the best of what he can, talk talk talk, no action.😁
Forget about the engine. Ask him if india can produce the material for making the landing gear. 😊
India failed so badly even to produce a low yielding Turbofan engine 🤦🏻♂️
This man himself said in the beginning he is not an Aerospace Engineer...Yet he spoke all kinds of BS about aerospace engineering
That's how he sells his books and markets himself as an expert. He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.
Lmao cope, an enthusiast of tech can know enough about tech, u don't need ro be a mobile developer to compare iPhone and Samsung
While it's true that a tech enthusiast can have valuable insights, there's a difference between general knowledge and expertise.
A genuine expert brings a depth of understanding, often rooted in formal education or professional experience, that goes beyond surface-level comparisons.
For instance, in aerospace, understanding the intricacies of propulsion systems or aerodynamics isn't something a casual enthusiast can achieve. Similarly, when comparing complex products like iPhones and Samsungs, insights from a developer or someone with firsthand technical expertise provide a more accurate, nuanced perspective than casual observations.
He’s obviously a sour grape. One who glorifies the govt of the day without addressing the real reason why India is always lagging.
He is definitely not an Aerospace engineer. But he is an endian... and that means he has tremendous talent in bullsh...ng
I didn't even watch this video but i can give you tge conclusion. Saurav Jha might be of the opinion that the chinese Jet Engines aren't worth a dime and the fighter jet are peice of junk and America is so advanced and we need to develop indigenous engines and within few years we will be more advanced than United States. Look guys, i didn't watch the video and i probably wouldn't.
@@reckoner-nash HAHAHAHHAHAHA
brother you are absolutely wrong he talked about how it is far better than j 20 and j 35 and the 6th generation may become a serious threat and how they are improving at a war footing
you got them😁
@@dhrimansarma4062 well. He just didn't expect him to say that the J-36 was a threat. That's it. Everything else is correct
全部三哥都有你这想法就好👍
Typical Indian response to Chinese technological advancements. Compare it with US technology and declare it to be lagging and therefore inferior. Meanwhile, India struggles with even 4th generation jets. Mk2 is still on paper.
very true.
Tejas mk 1 is 30 years in developement , India can't even produce it without US supplying them engine .
You’re right. India always dismisses others like china advanced technology. India just tried to find anything on the paper, and assumed India already owns anything from USA or Europe
@@dennislam8065 Tejas is only a light fighter.... Saab gripen was more accomplish in that class then JF17
Alas! The program is too short. Give him enough time to talk, he can convince the Chinese the J36 is a liability and discard it.
He Didnot! R u guys On Drugs? He said It not Made as figter but it made in mind what j20 can't do today! It may not be 6th gen but it's Made for What j20 can't do!so we should focus on the program and Fast tract one of them is Jet engine! And Drone technology using those we can Counter The Chinas Newst Sytems! Our Missle program is good becus we filled thorough unlike our Jet series!
Indian always talk more but work less while Chinese always talk less but work hard.
I always like to watch Indian commentators banter about their own views about things happening in other countries.
All the talk amount to nothing much but the articulation of their views make for interesting viewing.
I think that is what Indians are good at. TALK.
Palki Sharma called that toys, India shouldnt have any concern
Your guest doesn’t know anything about Jet Engine and his take on WS-15 engine is so lame .. he’s coping so much .
Ps:-
According to Open sources the WS-15 engine has more thrust power than F22 F119 Engine .
Aadi. Frankly speaking, I did my MTech on Turboachine from IISC B lore, intended to work on Gas Turbine in 1979. Did"t get any chance . Forcefully joined Pump Manf co. NOW IAm old, but my sincere feeling, People interested in Turbo m/c must get opportunity to serve in Gas turbine, axial flow compressor industry. Such people are assette of our country. Govt must think in this line also. Now time has come to realise it❤❤❤
Most of the video is pure cope.
1) You CANNOT tell if it is a variable cycle engine from the outside.
2) WS-15 is capable of super cruise without the need to engage in afterburners, so it is a 5th gen engine.
3) Even if a desired engine is not being installed, China could very well install it say 5 years from now when the J-36 is being inducted into the PLA, there is currently no manufacturing bottlenecks in any manufacturing fields for China.
I think he is getting confused WS-15 with WS-10G engine ..
Non of the statement he said about WS-15 makes any sense , American experts agree that WS-15 is comparable with F22 ‘s F119 engine and have more thrust (17.5 and 19ton) and like you said the WS-15 has the ability to Supercruise without the use of Afterburner too .. this dude is either high on some kind of smoke or his coping so badly .
Let's not downplay Chinese products for comforting our audience
Who down played it, I didn't hear any belittling comment at all.
pura dekh bhai phir conclusion bana
Exactly , first of all china has not published anything about the ws15 engine or any other engines and secondly who says chinese are going to use ws-15 engine on that aircraft . I mean its pure coping assumption and nothing more 😂😂
@@kapilesh14 he said they don't have the engine for 6th gen aircraft so they put a 4th gen engine lol . 1) how does he know that j20 has 4th gen engine when there is no chinese published specifications for that. 2) how does he know that that aircraft is gonna use ws-15 engine when it is launched ? Its just a shameless self morale boosting 😂
@@aniket1638 The two fools have no idea what they are looking at. China has not just redefined aviation history with at least 2 6th Gen fighter jets. China has redefined how planes are built. China is using 3D printing to reduce the weight of the air frame by at least 30%. China is a runaway leader in 3D printing technology. China has new all spectrum radar wave absorbing materials for the new skin. And these 6 gen planes are designed to have low RCS from ALL DIRECTIONS. And these fools are talking about engines. India is so far behind that Indians have no idea what to look at.
If you can't beat them, criticise them 😄😁
Underestimating and mocking others doesn't make you any better or advanced. Yes it might work for comforting your audience, which is basically cheating and betraying your own people.
I think India does not need to spend money on the development of aircraft engines, but how to quickly build toilets, manufacture chips, manufacture locomotives and wheels for high-speed railways, and how to mass-produce shoes, toys, furniture, etc. A fourth-rate country always worries about what first-rate countries do. India is a country that is strong in empty talk, weak in practical work, and does not know itself, and has mysterious self-confidence.
Remember what India was saying about 5th gen J20. Now they have deployed a lot of them only 150km away from Indian border. A biggest mistake you are making is that underestimating your enemy.
Please continue to underestimate us!
The j 20 was detected by Indian radars. Besides it's supposed to have plenty of issues. Though I agree with your last statement.
J20s are piece of joke. Understand one thing if China is actually so powerful than by now they would have already attacked India. Not only didn't attack but they also backed out from Galwan, so they are more into show off & nothing
@@cywan8195 Ok! Chinese Noodle 😁😂
@@cywan8195 @cywan8195 Ok! Chinese Noodle 😁😂
It's time for a reality check: by the time India wraps up its debates, China will have completed testing, established new production plants, and deployed multiple squadrons. India needs to stop talking and take decisive action instead.
The five stages of grief - denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance😂😂😂
Stage one for sure.
Well that your idea.. for your own happiness...😂😂😂India neither feel grief nor denial. India simply observe what is there... and seriously do critical analysis.
First go and understand US NGAD concept and their concept of 6th gen.
Then go analyise about Chinese no vertical stabilizer large aircarft.
Apart from outter shape, outter aspect and 4th gen engine no outsider know anything. No one knows their network centric capacities, cognitive combat capacity,etc.
Also thermal signatures with such engines are impossible to hide.
And Regarding India so for defence we have to get some 5th gen aircraft to level up game to some extent with such plane... which can have if we want from foreign players.
Remember India still manage to stand in front of china when India was flying SU MKI when Chinese were having J 20.😂😂😂
For development aspect..
The Chinese are only moving ahead because for decades they were working on reverse engineering, and hacked data to learn and manufacturing and now reach this stage of building on their own before western and Russian.
Chinese scientists were getting clear vision, support, strategy and technology got through other sources.
India can't do IP violation like that.
And Indian scientists are only know getting right vision, support and strategy to go ahead.
@@chandra_himanshu 或许你也连发动机也不知道。你确定中国没有先进的发动机？
So what stage is these two pretenders on?
BTW I really love their seriousness when they pretend.
@@chandra_himanshu ur between stage two and three definitely
Technological dense and Knowledgeable discussion by Saurav Jha ...........Kudos for bringing such excellent quality discussion !
if you people think this is knowledgeable discussion then your people is in trouble.
He’s coping.
WS15 thrust to weight ratio is at least 10:1 or 11:1 and comparable to F119 engine. How is this not a fifth gen engine? Because its not reliable? from which source? That engine is still classified and not sold to any third party. How do you know its stats when China haven't release the data?
India wale so rahe hai...china wale india ke liye ye sab nahi bana rahe ...ye sab America ke liye hai ..😂😂
recent news is that, Engine test facility is developed by ISRO in Banglore. and it's capacity is 130 KN thrusts.
Why isn’t Saurav helping India build a 6th-gen fighter? He knows everything. LOL 🤣🤣
This looks like expert of fighter jet engine .why not making 5ft generation fighter jet engine for India rather than buying from USAand other countries .
First say what niche capabilities a sixth generation fighter need
India will always be behind China in terms of R&D. India can never compete with China's innovations. By the time China develops 10th generation Fighter jets ; India wil stilll be looking to induct its Tejas jets 😂😂😂😂
Not to mention India, even the United States does not apply for as many patents as China each year.😂😂😂
@@pumalee1997China itself deonst respect any patents!
India needs 3-5 % R& D bidegt
@@GAJKUMR-GORANGHATA2425 Keyboard Warrior.
Concur.
After listening to Saurav Jha bhai my final decision on J36 is that it is actually "डनहिल सिगरेट के पैकेट में बाबू बीड़ी" 👌👍😂😂😂
India always make excuses for any failure.
😅😂😂
The reality check is that Chinese government did not claim these are 6th Gen fighters and they are also long way from being established as 6th Gen fighters by the Chinese air force, to be established as front line fighters there are many process that need to go through. The first J20 prototype flew on 11/01/2011 then enter into service in 2017 about 6 years after its first flight. Even when the plane was put into service it went through no less than 5 engine upgrades so nothing remain static over the time.
One of the best guests, keep inviting Saurabh Jha from Indigenious Defence Appreciation Hour to apprise us larger audience of what should be the correct path towards Atmanirbhar Defence Acquisation Policy.
6th Gen #NGAD Vs 5th Gen #F35 Comparison
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China has made something by reverse engineering, here people do not even know reverse engineering. I too became young after listening to the LCA program. But the engine of this plane has not been made till date. We are not able to make even one engine of a 4th gen fighter plane and are eyeing 5th and 6th gen countries.
Saar, Foreign maal saar😂
Your Indian even can't build any 2nd or 3rd GEN jet engine by yourself. that's why you have to buy many F414 and M88 engines, then ask US and France to transfer their tech or production line to Indian.
@FrankZhang-pj9nn But your Chinese dad has not been able to make better Russian engine options even after reverse engineering. That is why you sold most JF-17s with Russian engines. Because your engine was crap, that's what was said by your strategic ally Pakistan. If Indians start doing reverse engineering, they will make many times better engines than you. You Chinese don't even know how to copy properly, lol. At least we're not doing reverse engineering of other people's belongings.
@@yatraman-k8k i think you are just a not educated indian, pakistan wanted the plane fast and to be in service and rd-33 was already part of the licensing China had with Russia. Russia gave the green light to Pakistan to have it on their fighter jets. China offered Pakistan the WS-13 but the cost will increase due to higher efficiency and higher thrust, but Pakistan can't afford it if they wanted the amount of planes to be met within the budget they have
India can copy Russian engine anyday but India is building itsvown.
And Kaveri engine has a thrust with after burner of almost 80kN.
U r coping heee
@@FrankZhang-pj9nn China Technology Progress = Reverse Engineering That's it.
You even sold JF-17 to Pakistan, Nigeria with your reverse engineering engine. And they failed and crashed in those countries. This is why Pakistan demanded to replace your 3rd gen copy-paste engine with Russian engines. Nigeria canceled the order for additional JF-17s. Develop your own engine first, not by reverse engineering.
At least, India is developing its own engine. Not an engine with reverse engineering
this guy speak nonsense. for the current turbo fan engine. F135 (used on F-35)> WS15 (used on J-20B)=AL41(used on Su-57)>F119(used on F-22)>WS19(used on J-35)>F414>M88-2>RD33, France only has M88 which isn't the same level with WS15. WS-15 is 18 tons turbo fan engine. M88 is the same level with F414 and WS-19.
for the variable cycling engine, actually no country made a progress from what I heard. China usually took step by step strategy, build J-36 with WS-15 first (no matter which Gen called), when the variable cycling engine is ready, just replace it. just what we did on J-20.
M88 best engine best in it's category Safran makes very efficient & reliable engine only it's doesn't have money to invested in project that's why it collaboration with India provide design & tech to produce helicopter engine for different helicopter categories including future IMRH going forward it will partner in 5th generation engine project with GTRE
多管闲事，看热闹不好吗
@@LyuChen94喜欢显摆
@@amitkumarsingh1709 M88 is not suitable for fifth gen. If you want to leverage the performance of AMCA, you still need to seek ej200. even f414 is not a better choice.
你在泄露军事秘密😂
When you say is it really a 6th gen fighter you sound very stupid as you have not yet built a fighter engine yet and you are underestimating your main rival and criticizing their technological achievements. Its a looser talk.
As per him if the jet size or design doesn't match his idea than it's not possible. By stealing US tech the chinese have become so good at reverse engineering and even bettering it, even the US feels chills. And here they just downplay it.
I am very curious, what is India worried about? India is not China's strategic opponent now, at least in the next 30 years. What India needs to do now is industrialization, not a high-level arms race with China. India is not qualified to have a high-level arms race with China.
Ahhh i love watching Indian channels discussing and in denials lol..saying its not 6th generation aircraft yet they don't even have a 5th generation aircraft bwahahaha 😂
not even 3th or a 4th generation.
they can't even mass produce a light fighter to be exact
India stop crying plz😢
The guest knows something but missing a lot about the Chinese engine development. It's joke he said WS-15 is a 4th gen engine and he is entirely unaware of China's latest engine programs.
If he is aircraft expert or engineer than I would've believed his narrative but he (saurav jha) is a author or economic analyst. How can I believe his narrative...
He works with industries write economic paper for them including defence & aerospace
That' why he knows many people in this field that' why he knows about it
My brother works for P&W in US he told same thing about Chinese engine project that they copy Russian propulsion tech that have serious flaws since Start since Soviet times that because Soviet want cheap engine in large quantities & they don't have enough resource & time to invest in improve their engine
HAL can make the next generation Tejas called Super Samosa 7th gen
印度真可笑，自己啥都没有，却对别人能够谈笑风生。
Oh Jha and Aaadi, India is super power. hell
Someone can understand what he is talking about. Most of the people talking on the topic are blasting emotions in comparison. 👌
It is the first one in the world to use scramjet or detonation engine (in the middle of the plane) for much more higher and stable hypersonic power after the plane is boosted above supersonic speed by two conventional engines. Conventional engine’s plane only dominates the flight activities around 2 km high. The ramjet requires a critical speed point to trigger and ignite the ramengine. So, this new jet’s target is dominating the activities not only lower than 20 km high altitude, but also even close to space, a brand new 6th gen jet plane’s requirement from Chinese.
As the chief designer of Chengfei said, the new feature of the 6th gen aircraft should have its cross-space technology and capabilities. It means it can not only fly at over Mach 2 using the conventional engine in about 2 km high, like the 5th gen aircraft, but also fly at the hypersonic speed using modern new engines such as scramjet or explosive thrust in the near-space (at about altitude of 20 km or higher) under very few air resistance.
In addition, its pneumatic shape is similar to Chinese equipped hypersonic slide missile, DF17, and two Chinese newly revealed hypersonic aircrafts, MD19/MD22. Instead of DSI inlet as in J20, which can only fly at Mach 2, it chosen RAHI inlet as in F22 for its >Mach 3 flight.
Compared with traditional engines, the diameter of the Chinese-made rotary detonation engine is only 0.3 meters, the flight speed reaches Mach 4, and the flight altitude exceeds 20 km. Its thermal efficiency is close to 50%, while that of traditional engines is only 27%. Even if the latest variable cycle engine XA-100 in the United States is improved by 25% on the traditional basis, it is only about 35%. The technical parameters of the rotary detonation engine are a qualitative leap compared to these. At the same time, due to the characteristics of full combustion, its fuel consumption is only 1/3 of that of conventional engines.
It means that under the same conditions, the range of aircraft using detonation engines can reach 3 times that of traditional aircraft engines, which can make the global strike capability of fighter jets deployed around the clock a reality.
Moreover, according to the South China Morning Post, Chinese researchers are also developing a new type of engine combined technology with rotary detonation and oblique detonation to meet the needs of different speed ranges, allowing aircraft to accelerate directly from Mach 0 to 16.
India was shocked by China's military progress in the last few days when they saw China's new jets. However for the last decades, strangely ignored and downplayed China's years of economic development and accomplishments. It means that Indian are only believing in military power but not the people's economic well beings.
The world watches India's unfounded arrogance with bemusement.
Instead it is a reality check for India. Mind you, it is just a test flight. Just the first step and it is not perfect. Whatever or however these gentlemen put down the J36, it is a beginning for China's aviation into higher level aviation. Instead, these gentlemen should spend their energy criticizing India's inability even to indigenously design and produce a 4th generation aircrafts.
Remember the 90 Rafale Jet Deficit ?
We are yet to find 90 Fighter Jets
let alone 6th Gen Fighters. 🤣🤣
China didnt say that's 6gen fighter. They just tested new jet. Why people so nervous？
Today China has the money and is deeply involved in R & D hence they are making long strides in many fields....their airforce being one of them. China will also come up with more advanced jet engines in the years to come.
India is always easy to import many cheap weapon in high price, no worry
not just money but smart people publishing thesis and acquiring patents... they spent 2 generations to build up education level to blow past the west
every one in india is talking expert. how do you know this plan's engine is ws15, how do you know ws15 is not a what so call 6th generation engine. china never officially release any information about these devices.
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The "China is amazing" rhetoric, as interpreted by some Japanese analysts, appears to be part of a broader propaganda
strategy suggesting that China's technological prowess in military aviation is so formidable that it almost guarantees victory in any conflict scenario. The narrative seems to push an
idea of inevitability, encapsulated in phrases like, "China is a great country that is ahead of the world in technology and can even build planes like this, so if you fight a country like that you're bound to lose, so just surrender quickly." This could be viewed as an attempt to psychologically influence adversaries or potential adversaries by showcasing not just military hardware
but also the narrative of technological dominance.
Indian people, stop worrying about Chinese 6th Gen airforce. If they are not real, then you dont need to worry about them. IF they are real, well, u still don't need to worry about them, because they are not for you. So..., stop worrying already.
Here is what they want. They want to believe that the J20 is not fifth gen and J36 is just an upgraded version of J20 for bombing missions. Coping and downplaying China is a national pastime in India.
china lets pakistan deal with india
Very informative, must watch for aircraft enthusiasts!! Really impressed……
China success doesn’t mean India failed. India didn’t failed, India just hasn’t started. China and India are on parallel paths.
🤣🤣 india is large economy because of software engineers and IT. AI started making software now. China built deep sake LLM faster than chatgpt. We are 50 years behind china
@ItsmeMail interesting that indian works for foreign companies and has not been able to produce applications with IP rights, nor able to make anything like tiktok, wechat,temu, alibaba, tencent,etc
instead of studying how china become successful, the west and india is in denial that china has the wrong system and methods to be successful....
Indian keeps on talking, continue talking will never get it
Brilliant conversation… thanks Aadi and Saurav ji 🙏🏽🙏🏽🇮🇳🇮🇳
The technical part was largely OHT, but it was reassuring to know that ....
. China does not have 6 th generation fighters but at best 5.5 generation
. And that development of engines is of top priority need.
We at best have 4.5 generation fighters, the Rafael, and the engine problem is being addressed, but will take time.
At present we are lagging behind hugely in Rn D and in development.
Procurement from other countries is there but they too are trying to hold us up.
A very technical discussion, and an opportunity to learn for non technical persons like me.
Thank you Saurabh Jha ji, your knowledge and control of speach was impressive. You didnt halt once even to take breath!!!!
Aadi Achint ji, thank you for opening the window for us to know and learn.
Definitely, the people with know how would have understood and enjoyed more. 🙏
🤣👉🤡🇮🇳
O good, now that he down played it for us to calm our nerves, we can now sleep better 😅
I think India does not need to spend money on the development of aircraft engines, but how to quickly build toilets, manufacture chips, manufacture locomotives and wheels for high-speed railways, and how to mass-produce shoes, toys, furniture, etc. A fourth-rate country always worries about what first-rate countries do. India is a country that is strong in empty talk, weak in practical work, and does not know itself, and has mysterious self-confidence.
Let me tell the Indians what the sixth-generation aircraft is. The Chinese believe that the aircraft that can suppress (dimensionality reduction) the fifth-generation aircraft is the sixth generation. We will not believe in the definition of Westerners. We have our own standards for defining the sixth-generation aircraft.
If the Indians can make a propeller plane that can suppress the fifth-generation aircraft, the propeller plane you produce is the sixth-generation aircraft.
It is recommended that Indians do not talk nonsense. Even if you can produce what you think is the sixth-generation aircraft engine, if you do not have gallium nitride radar and hypersonic long-range missiles, you cannot produce a practical sixth-generation aircraft. The sixth-generation aircraft is not just the carrier of the aircraft. Do Indians understand?
@Huaxiaviewpoint华夏观点
Design/ Role analysis of China’s 6th gen fighter jet
Binkov's Battlegrounds
This video talks about China's and perhaps world's first 6th gen fighter jet. It analyzes its features and its possible role. It also explores just where in the production process China is with its 6th gen fighter.
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Super ! Saurav Jha is excellent
It is rare to see an economist speak so eloquently and masterfully on manufacturing, high-end technologies, and defence technicalities and with such ease and understanding.
Please welcome Saurav ji to be more frequent. My opinions come from a professional manufacturing background with high end capex based technologies, which is why Saurav ji’s knowledge really makes a pleasant audience.
I would recommend you to check out his channel delhi defence review. He has a weekly discussion there.
Next joke please 🥺🥺🥺
Tejas in reality is just 3.5th gen fighter plane, no where near a f-14 level. The su-30mki and also rafale are just early 4th gen, 4.5th gen are those with f-18 hornet level. having 4th gen plane doesn't mean india knows how to make them. radar, avionics, engine are all guarded secret. even exported planes have very high IP attached to them. 5th gen planes are also a platform level but relies alot on stealth and gps. 5.5th gen only China has managed to touch it. even f-35 no longer consider at the 5th gen level, it can't go even mach 1.2 due to the loaded bombs. it has stealth but can't meet the speed. 6th gen is a platform with so many other combination, it is sky combat node with modular subsystems to meet different operations, basically a plug and play with ai ucav either aew, helicopter drone or ucav for surveilance or combat ucav etc
Nice eye opening discussion........
Compared with traditional engines, the diameter of the Chinese-made rotary detonation engine is only 0.3 meters, the flight speed reaches Mach 4, and the flight altitude exceeds 20 km. Its thermal efficiency is close to 50%, while that of traditional engines is only 27%. Even if the latest variable cycle engine XA-100 in the United States is improved by 25% on the traditional basis, it is only about 35%. The technical parameters of the rotary detonation engine are a qualitative leap compared to these. At the same time, due to the characteristics of full combustion, its fuel consumption is only 1/3 of that of conventional engines.
It means that under the same conditions, the range of aircraft using detonation engines can reach 3 times that of traditional aircraft engines, which can make the global strike capability of fighter jets deployed around the clock a reality.
Moreover, according to the South China Morning Post, Chinese researchers are also developing a new type of engine combined technology with rotary detonation and oblique detonation to meet the needs of different speed ranges, allowing aircraft to accelerate directly from Mach 0 to 16.
That's why China won 40 Olympic gold medals and India won zero
That's why j36 is a 12th generation fighter because of 3nos of 4th generation engine used along with it's using to power the fighter 😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Are u happy. If ur happy then all good.
The Kaveri engine faced several short-term challenges in meeting the requirements for the Tejas. Firstly, its thrust output was lower than expected-designed for 81 kN with an afterburner, it only achieved around 70-75 kN, which was insufficient for the aircraft's operational needs. Additionally, the engine was heavier than originally planned, negatively affecting the Tejas' weight-to-thrust ratio and overall performance. These issues hindered the aircraft's effectiveness in meeting its design goals.
WS-15 max thrust 36390-40470 lbs, F119 max thrust 35000 lbfs. J20 has a better engine than F22. Both are twin engine machines. F35 uses F135 which has the max thrust of 43000 lbs, bigger than WS-15, but it is a single engine jet. Therefore, J20 is the most powerful jet among them.
you are correct. but this guy said US is the leader followed by France then Russia then China. but France M88-5 isn't the same level with WS-15, it can't even beat WS-19 and F414 engine.
for the big horsepower turbo fan engine, there are only three players. US, Russia and China. even UK, France can't make it.
BRO WIKIPEDIA KNOWLEDGE lol , FIRST OF ALL , THRUST doesn't matter only , how efficient it is that matters in 5TH gen engines not THRUST , otherwise russian AL41 generates 180kn thrust but why russian needed to make AL51 kn engine with less KN thrust ?? indians have less knowledge OMG
@@FrankZhang-pj9nn you guyz need to understand thrust doesn't matter that much in 5th gen
@@jamoon9341 it matters a lot. It determines whether the jet can fly at ultrasonic speeds without using after burner.
@@jamoon9341 if you talk about thrust-to-weight ratio, WS-15 is >10 per wiki. it's the same level with F-119 and F-135. BTW both WS-15, F-135 and F-119 are 4th Gen engine. there is no 5th Gen engine in US. the guy in the video didn't know this.
Great discussion, while i didnt understand everything, it was quite insightful. Thank You.
Very good enlightenment Jha Saab and Aadi Saab.bharat has very good engineers they will surely out match Chinese and Turky Jai Hindu
Thing is chinese went from drawing board to something tangible.
Our lads are busy in committees and files, babudom has killed innovation in India.
Love this discussion. Jai hind
What's he has not spoken about is that the Chinese stole Western technology (& not invent it) and then built on it. So their path was easier than India's. Also, one of the Indian issue is that main R & D is with government entity, where talent is not the main factor to recruit. And somehow we Indians feel elated when our engineers get highly paid jobs overseas and not feeling dismayed about losing talent.
@@mrjupiter2011 so somehow china stole their technology and USA cannot make their own 6 Gen project 🤣
Thanks. Waked up to so much of info & insight.
@aadi anchit
As an aeronautical engineer ...I Must say this is one of the closest podcast loaded with information and technical aspects in a concise form .... One of the best I've heard
You don't need to worry about what generation it is. China can produce its own engine to support its own needs.
India is a bad loser... We failed to upgrade our defence, economy and now discussing that China's Aircraft is 5th generation not 6 generation. Is there any accountability of Modi or not ?
Daant warry saar, india is suppar pawar country. Eck0n0mee varry st0rng saar
No accountability only masterstroke
So basically the much hyped up '6th Generation' Fighter cannot even be classified as a fighter and most importantly does not have a 6th generation 3 Stream Variable Cycle Engine, just a disjoint setup of three 4th generation WS15 Engines put together with possible improvements in material or stealth capabilities to show off as a big milestone - obviously a fake milestone.. and also in line with its predecessors J36 suffers from relaibility issues. And a consolation shoutout for all the poor souls cheergirling for Xhinese 6th generation fighter is in order😂😂
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Excellent discussion.. There definitely was learning from this. Is charcha se humare gyan mein vridhi hui hai is kshetr mein. Naman 🙏
Good quality discussion! Aadi this guy Saurav is good quality guy. need more people like that!
India and Indian people would rather appreciate a conversation about the capabilities of our Indian airforce. While we criticize the Chinese efforts we should also applaud our aviation failures. Forget about making anything significant we have failed to even purchase the aircrafts through MARCA for good 20 years. Committee pe Committee banao aur maal luto batten karo.
Good dialogue sir. Need more interactions going fwd.
Indian analysis, This is not a true 6th Generation, when india makes it, it will be a true 6th Generation 😮
I dont know how accurate he is but if this Geek Sir is correct i am willing to bet on our indigenous Indian 4.5 gen fighters ❤❤❤
It’s like a rickshaw engine in a bmw
The guest seems knowledgeable, but just cos the jet design doesnt match his understanding of a 6th gen, it doesnt mean it's not possible, maybe chinks are not fully yet there but they are surely way way ahead of india.
Always remember Quantity has a quality all its own And china can produce it in bulk .
India doesn't even have a rickshaw engine, not have a BMW frame.
indian jets like 70cc bike engine in a maruti 800😂
*We know nothing about anything at all, but we have experts opinion on everything.*
- Indian bureaucrats
He said he dont know anything about aerospace engineering and he is trying his best to prove it is 4th generation.
Very informative..!!!
Gaurav ji has explained very well..very nice❤
Amazing inputs and details provided by Saurav . Need to give him more time .
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HAL scientist is so third rate , if they get hired in a pvt company they will be fired 5hrs after the hiring
Thanks Aadi Sir and Saurav Sir for this conversation. It was an insightful and incisive analysis in terms of merits and liabilities.
The strategic autonomy that India exerts in the geopolitical arena would be counter productive if she doesn't achieve self reliance and consistent focus into semiconductors, defence and aviation technologies and other critical technologies.
Always be Bhartiya and United Hindus first......Bharat Mata ki Jai
China : investing in R&D, technology and education
India : Jai Shree Ram ! 🤡
@plant_leaf Yea R&D of Copy and pasting and Tech Theft from America that's why their fighter jet looks like cheap knock off copy of American jets anyways blind people like you can't see anything what could be done war is not only won with Fighter jets but also different Technology yes we're behind Xina in Making fighter jets but that doesn't mean they could do a sht that's why they had to run back away from Galwan
So we have our positives and negatives
Enjoy 😏
It is a true sixth gen fighter not a 5.5 gen in capability, let me explain you why?
As sixth gen fighter are not meant to do close range dogfights, that is the job of drones who can pull 9plus g or even more for longer time than any manned fighter.
So whole argument that it is not super manoeuvrable is idiotic. Look the Lockheed model for us airforce NGAD program it is also tailless design. Regarding engine well the thing that matters the most is energy produced to power the advance electronics, which china has the best second to only USA.
We should focus on our Kaveri engine ASAP.
Mind-blowing analysis.
Economy, Aerospace....what more Saurav Jha?