I Spectated the RANK 1 KIRIKO in Overwatch 2 and was SHOCKED...
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- Spectating the RANK #1 KIRIKO in Overwatch 2...
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ML7 did a great job supporting his team.
ML7 did a great job healing his team. ftfy
@@brentd209 You asking for Moira?
@@Skynertia lucio*
My favorite part was when he was healing even though he's a support
A good SUPPORT player indeed
Ml7 explained the reason why he uses his cooldowns so often. He said that in between fights, when the enemy is regrouping, it’s best to use your cooldowns and guarantee the stagger or that your teammate stays alive even if only one person on the enemy team is alive because once you kill the entire other team, you’ll have all of your cooldowns back before the next fight. Like when he used his suzu on the rein even tho he didn’t have to. The enemy team had to regroup anyway so whether he used it there or not didnt affect his chance at living. And he had his cooldowns for the next fight. He also does this a lot on ana. He’ll toss a nade when the enemy team is regrouping bc he knows he’ll have it back when he needs it. His cooldown usage is probably one of the greatest in the game.
It's Support. You are supporting your team with healing and damage (when needed). Of course, healing is the main focus, but if you can get kills (or help with damaging the enemy team even if it's not a kill) while your teammates are ok and don't need healing, then you kill too (or damage if you can't kill)!
So ML7 has a point when he calls himself a support, not a healer!
Shit just flies straight over your head. 🤦♂️
@@posan644 hes right tho. its called support for a reason depending on the hero!
@@ivynity-ivy I know he’s right but Jay is joking.
@@posan644 Mercy got damage boost though and Ana’s her nano, They both help the other hero’s do more damage, Mercy’s blue beam gives a 20% damage boost to people she blue beams
Healer*
Jay I want you to remember what you said about "healers" when you get a mercy that never uses damage boost beam.
I want u to remember this when you realize everything Jay said had a thicc layer of sarcasm spread over it
@@Real_MisterSir if so people who watch him will gain nothing to improve than false information that will probably hinder their performance
@@polish_idiot5430 missinformation is good, it makes people worse and indirectly buffs characters. either that or its just funny. earlier today i successfuly made someone believe that kiriko's suzu was her throwing her grandmother's ashes at people 💀
🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@polish_idiot5430 who cares it’s a video game
i love how ppl say support are “healers” but they dont even realize that ur not going to be able to climb as support just by healbotting
"their whole kit is for healing," says jay3--ml7 promptly knifes an echo out of the sky. xD
There’s a reason why every support character can heal teammates ya know. Cuz its kinda their job to do that. I’m not saying support mains should ONLY heal, but what I am saying is that it IS their number 1 role unless theyre a Lucio or something but even then he also should be healing from time to time.
@@burcopresents I agree they should heal. However, you could use the same logic in that there's a reason every support's kit includes a way to do damage.
The way I see the 3 roles is overwatch's difficulty modes: tank is easy mode (I'm a tank main), dps is normal mode, and support is hard mode. Tanks focus on creating space, DPS focus on doing consistent damage, and supports have to figure out ways to heal, 1-v-1 when getting dived, flank when needed, and sometimes even make space.
@@burcopresentssupport is there to support their team, both healing and helping their team when necessary
@@gabrielchaney1577 dps has the easiest job
@@burcopresents It is the supports main priority to heal and find off angles so they don't die. BUT, when there is no significant healing to be done, don't do nothing, do damage. Playing 4v5 because you are a heal bot will keep you and your team in Plat.
I will forever maintain that it's impossible to out heal the damage output of the other team. But while I'm healing, if I get a few good picks, then that makes their damage output less, making healing easier, and if I just soften them up then I'm making DPS look good. Also if the other team runs phara,echo, or mercy and my DPS won't pickup hitscan, I will lock bap, destroy the airborne, and keep healing. You know, support.
ml7 himself would disagree with the healer part. Supports aren’t just healers, he does a great job at explaining why you should do xyz and especially WHEN. Easy for him though, for the vast majority it’s safer to focus on healing until you’re basically forced to dish out some dmg.
when you call them "healers" you're basically saying their job is to only heal. when you say support, it works because they have more to their kit then healing
I want to see Flats and Jay talk about support vs healer.
Facts that’s what I was thinking the whole time🤣
Its obviously a SUPPORT because speed boost, damage boosts and boops arent healing.
@@Ic1clez_ I know how “healers” have abilities outside of healing made to support their team that’s why Moira is so bad she is the only “support” that doesn’t actually support because she doesn’t have any other abilities that supports the team she is the only healer
Gotta love the "Kiriko is broken cuz Kitsune, suzu and TP" Followed by "You only heal"
Flats and Jay podcast lesgoooooo
i love how this spectating video goes from how good ml7 plays into how broken kiriko is
That's just dps players being butthurt
Great support gameplay from ML7 as always
Supports are called supports because they either do damage support (Baptiste ult) or survivability/healing support (Lucio ult). That's why I love Moira, does both with her ult. So stoked if i do more damage than our dps while having most heal 😝
Love Moira too, dont know why she gets so much hate :(
@@sthepcorms6747 o ofcourse they all have their strengths and weaknesses, so you cant play one hero 24/7 and have to adapt your pick based on the enemy comp, but shes still a decent hero :)
@@Sunzz decent in low ranks, in higher ranks your damage orbs just feed enemy supports ults and she has no other utility apart from raw dmg she does nothing to help the team other than healing. Which is underwhelming especially as you have abilities such as discord orb which helps the entire team out
He is more focused on healing because they have a lucio. If they had a moria heal bot he would be playing more aggressively. They flank with kiriko in owl too. He is still weaving in damage, and finding opportunities to get picks and divide their attention. I feel like Jay is joking, but just setting the record straight for anyone else.
Being new to Overwatch I've realized no matter how good u are individually it doesn't win matches. In order to win matches u need to work well with ur teammates and as a support ur very role is to make everyone survive that 1 second longer to hit that final blow. Its an insane feeling of accomplishment and this gameplay just emphasize it
Thats the whole point of the game. But then there's roadhog.
no actually thats mathematically not true. there's a chance for u to get 4 bad teammates, and for the enemy to have 5 bad players. if ur a good player u will clime ranks, it will take longer but still
@@iSuckAtGamesGG But what if you get 4 bad teammates and the enemy have 4 good players?
@@Pedro_eqw he heard flats say it, so it must be true
@@iSuckAtGamesGG interesting. I always get good in every match and was stuck in gold 1 for whole season 1
Challenging Jay to a boxing match the next time he calls supports healers. Bring it old man
No, she doesn't need nerfs the other supports just need to be made better supports should have strong abilities like this since they are the #1 target.
THANK YOU! everyones talking about nerfing kiriko, they wanna nerf her to the ground and dont wanna talk about the state a lot of other supports are in right now...
@@jessbella But most supports are pretty great.
What are the 'problem' supports?
@@FlamingNinjaBoi zen and Lucio and simply don't heal fast enough and are just too easy to kill along with brig lowkey throwing if you aren't picking kiriko Moira or Ana and maybe mercy depending on what comp you are running
@@kel_bandz8462 Lucio isn't really supposed to heal, and he's meta right now. Also incredibly hard to kill if you're a decent Lucio player. I'd argue his movement capability is even better than Mercy's.
Brig isn't weak in any regard. The meta (Hog/Sojourn) just doesn't favor her at the moment.
Moira is not a top pick at all. She's a low elo support that is easy to pick up for new players or someone looking for a simple support choice. Serves her purpose well.
Zen is the only one I'd come close to agreeing with. But he even has discord orb which is basically a tank exploder button. Aside from that, he's fairly bleh in every other regard. Does good damage, I suppose.
Yea lets buff the healers so literally every dps hero is pointless, might aswell turn the game into a 3v3 one tank two healers since they do so much damage.
6:40 Lucio is so fast he keeps moving when the video is paused
i am sorry jay3 but sometimes doing some damage is always helpful for the team
@@spimbles that’s the point Einstein
Jay's favorite line: "I wish I could hit tab and see the stats"
Blizzard is a small company
@@gelgamath_9903 your point being?
@@jacobsotorios8886 The joke went right over your head
@@William256 whats the point of saying that. you cant just say your mom out of nowhere and expect everyone to laugh.
@@jacobsotorios8886 No, the point is calling attention to you taking satire seriously. The joke went over your ahead, and then you got defensive and cried about it.
ML7 is an absolute beast, so not surprised hes rank 1
ml7 and flats enter the chat: IT'S SUPPORTS, NOT HEALERS
"Hey, Jay, what's your favorite position?"
"Running back."
...cause he's always *running back* from spawn 🤣🤣🤣
Imagine my surprise when i see infamous torb 1 trick Shadder2k playing against ml7
"Solider is a HEALER. Not a support, not a DPS, a HEALER." -Jay3 logic
6:26 ML7 tried to suzu himself but hogs hook force your camera to face him, so it threw off his suzu
Exactly. He flicked down to the ground fine, the hook just forced his screen up. Pretty unlucky fs
@@gyojinsho9737 yea that timing couldn't have been more unlucky
idk Jay well enough to know if he's joking about the healer thing. Large majority of the games I've experienced as a dps for example, lost due to supports, yeah I said it, not having as much damage as their supports. Equally large majority of my games lost due to, supports again, doing primarily damage, and not doing enough of their main job. Supports healing is their main job, undeniable, unless you're a dps moira, however, not doing damage and heal botting is how you lose. This has been the case with most of my games. It's a thin line between not doing your job enough and not being useful, which is why I believe support is the most difficult role to excel in. It's also why I enjoy it so much.
Equally a fine line between focusing too much on doing damage and less on taking too much damage.
If you require so much support that your supports can’t help elsewhere, you’re failing as a tank/dps
@@BrolympicBWL likewise, insisting supports are purely healers basically put zen and Lucio in the dps category
he's joking, he calls them supports and "corrects" himself to say healer multiple times
This. And it quite frustraiting to see this ongoing joking about this, when in bronse to plat lobbies atleast, its ever only supp diff that seems to matter if you ask tanks and dps, and not enough heals...
He's throwing enough sarcasm on that shit to feed an entire nation thats how thick the layer is. DW Jay is literally just trolling people when he's calling them healers and sooo many people in the comments took the bait 😂
Jay: They're healers
*average Moira player enters the room*
bruh everyone getting so mad at him for calling supports "healers"... That's what they are, and what ML7 is doing here is either targgeting ppl who are low or just easier targets and is mainly focusing on his team (keeping them alive that is). When someone says a support shouldn't be dpsing they don't mean they shouldn't do dmg at all, supports need to mainly focus on heal and only get easier targets down or help your team with someone that they're having a hard time killing (zen would be an exception since he does a lot of dmg and his orb isn't rlly that good of a heal)
I'm not going to lie never played the first overwatch. So I'm sure my opinion doesn't matter to 99 percent of you. Support needs help in this game. Kiriko is definitely the best support hero by a long shot. I get you cant have a broken healer. Nobody would ever die, but something needs to happen. If that's more heals per shot or what but the state of support is bad right now imo
She does not need to do more heals. I mean mercy supports with blue beam is fine, Briggethaving limited heals is fine since she supports other ways, zen is just zen, Baptiste is great, Moira ults very fast so she can heal fast, Ana heals and has good dmg. I think supports are fine
Hot take, supports are support, while healing is the most important part of support there are other ways to support like sleep dart, damage boosting, discord orb, cleansing, and speed boosting
Kiriko's whole kit is literally bout not dying, thats why she will never not be a meta pick and why supports like ana are getting thrown aside
“A lot of my sup.. a lot of supports would just be right here orb supporting the cart” Jay3 really be flaming his supports 😂
2:20 when kiriko is taking a pretty aggressive position is an optimal play for a brief amount of time, if you are confident in escaping that spot an that priority number one it help stall an hopefully split the enemy team which is what i assume his goal was. as support you only get so many options to effect the game an stalling is %100 one of them. the passive heal on support only helps you pull it off better than a dps sometimes. obviously harder an way riskier to do in higher elo, dont flame me but it is like %5-%10 of support gameplay, thats all
Everything on her kit is to heal, especially the kunai with 120 healing if you get a headshot
two things that don't need to be in team competitive games: 1. invisibility. 2. Immortality abilities
No Jay, kiriko heals or any heals should not go through walls... What a bronze question
EDIT: Suzu is a High Value ability but it's not broken IMO. It's a 1 sec immunity that keeps someone alive just long enough to receive enough healing to keep them up and from my experience this ONLY works if they have an ability to escape/negate dmg or retreat to natural cover.
2:20 now we know why jay3 is bronze on support
i want more kiriko voicelines in japanese
Him actively trying not to say support is mad petty
ml7 and jay3 in the same game , Jay3 - Your a healer not support , ml7 - Muted - Final jay3 death count 35
I have never seen somebody with such a commentators curse as Jay, it doesn't matter if it's spectating a bronze, a gold, a buffed Vs bronzes or the literal rank 1 player, if he says something good about their gameplay or positioning they're 100% gonna die in the next few seconds lol
6:40 Lucio just moves so fast time stop does not affect him. He is truly... MADE IN HEAVEN!
Is….that….a- a… Jojo Reference⁉️
Watching this video and seeing jay say supports are for healing is wild cause I don’t think he’d say the same thing today
I love playing Zenyatta and being a healer and not throwing my orb of discord on people and only using my orb of healing 😊. 1:42
good boy
Ok Jay I gotta hand it to you, the amount of people in the comments you baited with the "supports are healers" skit is fucking hilarious 😂 Either you've gotten a ton of new subscribers who can't tell your sarcasm clearly yet, or people are just straight up sarcasm immune in general. I hope it's the first lol. Good shit
Lol, I'm just really bad at detecting sarcasm anyways, but I was like, Jay's smarter than this, he's definitely joking. At the same time though, my stupid brain was repeating the Orisa voiceline: "Error 404: Sarcasm module not found"
This is a relief. It's honestly both for me in this case, though I didn't comment about it. Jay's sarcasm is definitely way more subtle to me, he lacks the sarcastic tone and just sounds annoyed or something I guess? But yeah the amount he goes on about it is way over the top lol, everyone knows any player would want ML7 supporting them any day. ;)
@@karamei Oh yea its very subtle and you kinda gotta know the jokester part of his persona to tell easily sometimes, this one was "clearly" joking banter vs ML7's constant talk about them being supports not healers - they're good mates and often stream together so it's very deliberate that Jay pushes the healer button to mess with people ^^
And just as you say, the easiest way to tell the sarcasm, is when he goes on about the topic for way too long :D
@@Real_MisterSir Yeah after a minute I knew beyond doubt that it was unreasonable to take him seriously. And yeah, I've been watching lots of OW content creators for ages, but for some reason didn't check out Jay3 until maybe a month ago! I was missing out for sure. :)
Don’t go for picks as Kiriko….
Awkward has joined the chat
in his guide for kiriko, he literally says, go for picks everytime your team doesn’t need healing
@@armando5994 I know lol
why is the role called support and not healer then lol
I think Jay3 temporarily forgot that Moira exists, she’s support in DPS instead of healing on unranked.
Speed boost on Nano was too strong but Kitsune is fair and perfectly balanced.
I don't think Jay plays enough support to understand that support is not just "healers". You dont climb ranks with just healing. You SUPPORT the team, with healing AND elims. Healing is just PART of the support kit.
Just because your a “healer” doesn’t mean you can’t inflict counter damage as well. Sometimes your team can use the extra damage to win a fight as well. The trick is finding when and when not too.
I believe Jay baited you all with this "healer" talk, but I personally believe that the most important in support role is to keep their team alive with their whole kit. So healing, pulling out of bad spots, suzuing, quickly disposing of enemies that are about to eliminate your teammates, sleeping ults, shielding etc.
So not mainly healing as there are many more things they can do to prevent deaths.
Bro man was not just doubling down, he tripped down on “healers” bro 🤒
Once I had a lucio that ONLY used speed boost and was like mad when I pointed that out he was like lucios main function is dmg boost. Even in a team fight where we didn’t need to have a speed boost he wouldn’t switch to healing lol.
i love this videos where twitch streamers do stuff with each other
She is a direct counter to ana's skills, so her suzu can't take forever to comeback unless ana's does the same and it doesn't.
IT IS SUPPORT! I'm ana main, and i hate when pepole call me healer! 🤣🤣
Does kiriko need a nerf or are we just used to supports being generally unimpactful?
Kiriko doesn't need a nerf. All the other supports need buffs haha
though i do agree more immo isnt fun
@@chukadoo1871 immorality isn’t fun but like neither is one shot abilities. If hog and sojourn exist I feel like kiriko can have her cleanse :)
If someone plays support as a "healer" they are free kills for the enemy. If a team with 2 supports is fighting a team with two healers the supports can help kill their healers, denying the DPS and the tank their healing so they may win the fight easily. Support has to contribute to oppressing the enemy or the team will just get overwhelmed.
Damn dude, looks like someone didn't get their Mercy pocket last game.
I don't care for support but I play as Kiriko a lot. She's fun to play.
Not a healer, a support
got it Jay3, so when I play Ana I should only use the anti to heal. Great tip btw, made me lose most of my games. 👍
1:35 tell me you are silver support without telling me you are silver on support
I typically call supp healers as a supp main. But I think it depends entirely on the hero. Lucio and Zen for example, if you're going to them for healing, something is seriously wrong.
But then, I duo with another support pretty much 90% of the time and we only go for those types of characters under specific comps where we know it will be beneficial. And then the other one will always go main healer. And if it's not working, we'll revert back to standard playstyles.
Last night was a good example. We went Lucio, Rein and Kiriko. I glued myself to the Rein's ass with the Reaper in tow and stayed almost perpetually in speed boost. We absolutely dominated the game and I knew the other healer would be able to handle the heals for the game. Didn't stop the other DPS constantly flaming me for 'not healing' despite the fact we were consistently going in, getting 4K team kills and then getting out with 0 deaths.
Zen's only purpose is to heal. Never Discord Orb. You're not a support, you're a HEALER
1:35 If you are honest ml7 got a point calling support champions supports instead of healing. Although the biggest part of playing most support champs really is healing your theam, they can do other stuff as well like speed boost disorb dmg boost etc. Thats why you cant just call them healers because that wouldnt include everything what they ment to do. Im quite sure on a logic based level you all know that 2 but the reason why most ppl insist on calling them healer is probably because you had one time to often a reddit lucio, battle mercy or dmg moira in theyre team and want 2 state that theyre not amused about this playstyle^^
This was absolutely amazing! I can’t wait to show off in my stream on twitch my new techniques I’m able to do now uwu
I’ve played DPS and support… Support is def harder so that’s why I main it now. I trust myself to heal and get picks more than someone else to take that role. It is most definitely “support” and not “healer”. If you have supports providing no other value than to be a heal bot you are guaranteed to lose
L take on supports as healers. All supports should put in healing, thats baseline for 50% wr. To climb you need to do more
I call support "Support" but I play Ana Kiriko and Baptiste as my top 3, but I still like you Jay, you're the man.
I had a Moira who wouldn’t heal. He said “the point of the game is to get elims first then heal. Because that’s how you win.”….we lost…
Lucio Mains crying after being called a healer for 12 minutes and 59 seconds.
i feel called out by that "support" moira comment, like i don't end up getting killed for healing my team instead of turning on a flanker bc someone else is critical health. smh
Bro looked like he was about to kill us at the end
question about your opinion on support what about brig which can heal the team by doing damage
Close to 200k lets go.
Im a new player and I love using kiriko im trying to get better and go up the ranks this was very helpfull thank you
Do NOT nerf my Kiriko! Don't utter such blasphemy. I love my Kiriko.
Gotta disagree with Jay on his healer vs. support take.
Blizzard devs gave Kiriko a 3x headshot multiplier for her kunai. THREE TIMES the damage, she has the ability to two tap and a to get out of sticky situations. She’s meant to heal AND take aggressive off angles/flanks to support her team.
Why would blizzard give her these very specific DPS abilities if she isn’t meant to do damage?
Playing Healer has been really fun in OW2.
The "supports are just healers" argument didn't age well with the new Life weaver 😂
I love ML7 and his gameplay, but I swear, every time I watch, I need to take breaks or I get motion sick.
This doesn't look like insane gameplay, i can even do this Kappa
Kiriko needs a nerf in the same sense RoadHog needs a nerf. Right now, she balances out the strength between the roles.
Supports should be called "saviors" instead. Because they legit do everything. They either heal, do dmg, cleanse, they have the most reliable cc, anti heal from ana also op as hel, also half the time the dps with the most dmg has been boosted by a support...
Saying "You are a healer, just heal, don't do damage" is like saying "You are a tank, just take tank damage, don't do damage". A supports job isn't to HEAL you, its to keep you ALIVE, if that means that they have to heal, use their utility, or contribute to damage then that's what needs to be done. Supports that only do damage aren't using their kit properly, the same can be said about those that only heal.
I know Jay is sarcastic a lot, but i cannot be the only one confused as to whether or not he actually thinks Supports should be called Healers 😭 Need him and Flats to have a whole podcast about the subject
A healer that can heal through walls?
As a healer main you would never see my face ever!
Although it does bug me that you can shield kirikos heals (a bit) I can understand anna because her projectiles do damage, and baptiste since he uses solid materials (grenades) But Moira and Kiriko could swing either way, it can make sense that their heales go through shields (I think)
*Lifeweaver has entered the game*
Hey uh Jay, are they supports now?
My definition of support is more so a wild card as in doing what’s need to best help however it is. Whether more DPS or more jus heal or a mix of the two it depends to me🤷🏾♂️
3:20 FACTSSSS🤣🤣🤣 im in gold and i get teammates like this all the time, always the moiras😂🤷🏻♂️
Not even pause can stop Lucio's movement
kiriko doesn't need a nerf. ive seen bad kirikos before. with her u need aim, timing and precision. shes only broken when u really know how to play her.
Jay3 vs Flats: healers vs supports 🙂
"your whole kit is to heal"
Then why can I 1 shot combo squishies with nano?
If you get nano as a Kiriko then I can definitely tell you’re in silver elo or lower…
@@Jay3 it was diamond 😂
@@hitchhikergaming8748 Doubt
The people who say "I can also do this" are probably good at aiming, but they don't understand how good were his positioning and decision making in the game.
It is hard to see those stuff in OW, for example, it took me a moment to understand why you were so hyped from his positioning, I am not good enough to even understand that it was a play
They also disregard that the pace of GM is incredibly faster than ranks below it, to increasing degrees as you descend the ranks. So, sure, someone might do similar things in silver or gold, but they would absolutely flounder and get punished nonstop if they went into a GM game. ML7 would alpha them every time, no question. ML7 is a god with a huge brain. His predictions and reaction times are nutty, anyone who's seen a few of his sleeps would immediately rescind any claim of being anywhere near his level.
"healers not supports" i gotta respect the comment bait
Dude 80% of commenters fell flat for the bait, such a good troll. I expected more of people tbh 😂
DPSs always call us healers over support...