I interview Clinton Rubin, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor at State University of New York and discuss the potential health risks associated with a high intensity whole body vibration platform. Visit here to learn more: bit.ly/3UFnZop If you are considering using one of these platforms, you should look at this interview and pay special attention when Dr. Rubin discusses his research on the effects of high intensity whole body vibration on bones.
I have never felt stronger than since I started using a plate. (I'm 60) My low back pain and neck pain is gone. My endurance is fantastic. My core is stronger than ever and can hold a plank for almost 2 full minutes. My legs are mega strong and my balance is superb (I paddleboard) I don't use it to the max and only 10 minutes a day doing squats and stretches. He's saying 'all or nothing' and scaring people away. Have him name the bad ones.
So you think whole body vibration devices are worth it then? Cuz I have physical pain issues I'm 32 years old and I've been thinking about getting one.
@@rebecascorner Thanks so much for replying back . I was just diagnosed with osteoporosis and I refuse to use any of those meds they offer. I will be ordering my plate this week
Why is your machine so expensive? Cost is the main factor that makes people choose cheaper devices that have harmful vibrations. Your manufacturing costs cannot be that much greater than those of less expensive devices.
From my own research and reading before I purchased the Personal Power Plate, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges in this video discussion. Nor do I feel you understand how Whole Body Vibration that's 3 directional works. "When it comes to whole body vibration training (WBVT) not all vibrations are equal, nor are all platforms and products. The two most common forms of WBVT platforms are Vertical Vibration (VV) and Rotational Vibration (RV). The former moves up and down and the later tilts left to right (like a see saw). Without doubt research and science shows both are safe and effective and possess many of the same uses and benefits. Yet there are some distinct differences in experience and application. Power Plate is indeed a VV platform yet that is not the complete picture. Because of its unique (patented) 3D motion it actually moves up / down, side / side, and front / back with every oscillation. Indeed it is the only one in the world that does. Why is this important? Three critical reasons: Gravity is vertical. This is the most important load (force) on our bodies and we must move with, and against it, all day long whether we are exercising, playing sport, or simply living life. The other side of this coin is that every time we hit the ground - such as our foot hitting the ground when walking or running - the ground hits us back! This is called ground reaction force. Our bodies must be able to tolerate these forces, and impact, or injuries and dysfunction will occur. With Power Plate (VV) the platform lives us and comes back 30-50 x per second. This means our bodies are getting 30-50 ‘micro hits’ of gravity and ground reaction forces when we exercise on it (push up, lunge, plank, squat, etc). This is why Power Plate is one of the most authentic training tools around as it prepares the body for what we have to do naturally every day. Our entire body’s architecture is made in 3D. There are no straight lines in the body! Books conveniently make it look that way but underneath the skin every tissue is simply designed in 3D. Our nerves, muscles, bones, joints, connective tissues and yes even our organs crave motion in 3D. New tissue models along the line of stress so if we want health new bones, muscles, etc then we need to stimulate them (stress) in alignment with how there are made. That would be in 3D. Our habits literally become our anatomy - how we move (or don’t) will become your new body. In life and sport we move up and down, side to side to side, and front and back thus Power Plate stimulates the body authentically to function! Frequency, amplitude, and g-forces. WBV traditionally uses these 3 terms to define how much work we are doing on a platform and therefore how much stress is being applied to our body. Science shows that optimal ranges seem to be 25-50 Hz, 2-6mm, 1-8 G’s. Indeed these are Power Plates ranges. One of the key things to VV is that once you set your frequency and amplitude (and therefore forces) it will stay precise no matter how you move during the exercise. So for example if you select 40 Hz / High (5 G’s) and decide to do push and squats it doesn’t matter whether you have a wide squat and push up or a narrow one, you are working against the same load. However with RV this is not the case. As you change your hand and foot position, wider or narrower, the forces change. A wider stance would equal more forces and a narrower less. This means that if a small, but strong person, squats with a narrow stance and a larger less conditioned person squats with a wider stance (which they have too being bigger), the deconditioned larger person is squatting against greater force. It should be the other way around. This would be analogous to saying that a treadmill moves faster for taller people than short. Also with some RV platforms they can go in excess of 16G, which is extremely high to say the least with no apparent aded benefit yet greater potential risk. So in short both forms of WBVT are safe and effective. Both have science and proven results. But when you consider how we, as human beings, are designed to move Power Plate ticks many more boxes of authentic function as well as delivering what is proven to be safe and effective vibrational levels."
Dr. Rubin's concerns stem from his research and publication looking at these platforms. He has documented the issues here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3688642/ If you feel that the Power Plate is safe and you feel good using it, then you should continue to do so.
Dr. Rubens will obviously say what he does and support his choice of equipment because he has a large vested interest in the one he helped design and very good luck to him and his ventures. I’m certainly not saying he is deliberately swayed in speaking out on this one way or another and mixing up short term “exercise” using vibration to that of long term industrial exposure in the same breath, but there are equally opposite thoughts on shorter time exposure and 3D equipment being utilized safely if the correct movements are carried out. These definitive conversations will obviously continue for years I would imagine, just as magnetic field mat use arguments still do (or whether they even work) and of course many other “inventions” over the years, sometimes whacky and sometimes very good, all making “vast” amounts of money of course and all supposedly helping mankind without pharmaceutical help with thousands of followers to each camp. Many are very subjective however, without unconditional, unbiased, long term critical testing and of course most often sway to an inventor’s personal fact finding research. Time will tell perhaps but in the meantime it doesn’t help the multitude of sufferers as the debates continue and the the opposing camps vehemently collect and collate everything possible to support their own views. I guess the history of this goes back to Nicola Tesla and his plate, (supposedly tried successfully on Mark Twain). These things have been around for years now and no one has actually reported the terrible damage talked about here, or indeed on any successful law suits from adverse equipment. It would be interesting to see that. The main safety information is probably and mainly based on industrial vibration in the workplace. This presentation of yours is rather biased to products he is personally involved with it seems. It’s big business to sell and it’s big business to have discussions on TH-cam. I will remain as impartial as I can with the present information out over many years, but in the end, this is the same as other rather biased TH-cam videos, with the poor patients hanging on every word.
So I appreciate the longform discussion, but without being told "these are the products that we know are safe and here's where you can buy them", what are we supposed to do with this information as far as a purchasing decision?
Basically, if the platform moves (which almost all WBV units do) it almost certainly does not conform to ISO 6131 standards. I've looked long and hard and to date, only two units appear genuinely low impact: Marodyne LIV and Juvent. The is priced between $2,700 and the latter as high as $6,500. A friend thought that was a bit steep but I asked her, "Your AP Spine T-score came back at -3.3. You admit you spent considerably more than $3,000 in the past five years on non-reimbursable chiropractic adjustments, massage therapy, and doctor visits. The back pain you have is almost debilitating at times and your Doc said your bone scan showed further advancement of Osteoporosis. IF a LIV platform can arrest that process and you prorate the cost ($3,000) over three years that comes out to be about $20 a week or $2.75 a day. Clearly, there are people who can't pay that up front and yet when bisphosphonates and parathyroid hormones are the best medicine can do, bone loss is aggressive (2%-3% a MONTH postmenopause), and fracturing a hip can be as potentially lethal as cervical cancer, what options do you have?" The worst-case scenario? The unit doesn't deliver, you return it in 30 days, and just get nailed for shipping. (Note: I have no financial interest in any company providing these devices.)
Is it posssible to make these available Vibration plates (commonly available for $130 on Amazon) more safe by making them low intensity?? If we put a thick spongy mat below the soles -- where you are standing -- would it reduce the intensity and render it safe? Thanks
This interview is excellent, helpful and crucial. There is a huge difference between taking one 500mg Tylenol vs five 500mg Tylenol as one shot for the pain. The latter will cause more harm to the liver than good. Hence, FDA has changed the recommendation of no more than 3000mg max per 24 hrs - and that's coming from the mouth of a 40+ years of a pharmacist. Li V is the way to go, especially when it comes to one's health in our elderly stage. Margaret, you have done a great service to your audiences. Appreciate you. Blessings from LA
I just watched Dr. Rubin's video and read the comments below but I am confused about some of the terminology. Is a vibration machine that is described as "high frequency" mean the same thing as "high intensity"? and does low amplitude mean the machine is low intensity? I am wondering if the VT007 Vibration Plate - High Frequency 15-40Hz Low Amplitude machine found on Amazon a high or low intensity machine and does it meet the standards that Dr. Rubin outlines? Thank you in advance for your response.
I’m very confused now as yesterday I watched these very same presenters talking on an hour video saying that 2min to 10 min a day on a vibration plate is a good idea? So which video came first ? Which is the correct information?
Thank you for all this information about high intensity vibration machines. I dont see how sales people on QVC or HSN networks say that the machines they sell are good for you and not even mention how to use them properly and explain the health hazards that can happen when using them. I have seen a several low reviews on Amazon of people saying it made some part of my body hurt more or had to go to the hospital after using the machine. At the end of your video, it comes down to greedy marketing and not telling the whole truth like both of you do in this video. This is the first video that I now get the correct message on which vibration machines are good for myself, and it is surely not most of them on Amazon. Great discussion. take care.
@@margaretmartinpt Whether it's a watch, a pair of shoes, or a device intended as an intervention for a medical problem, there's almost a straight-line correlation between price and quality. I've seen it countless times: luminaries such as Dr. Rubin set the table with decades of research and marketers jump in with both feet to peddle cheap knockoffs seemingly lacking any concern for the damage they may do.
So Dr Rubin, you mention Fosomax for osteopenia, etc issues, but haven't you heard about all of the reports of jaw bone major degeneration from using even recomm dosage of 1/day? What about do no harm? I have a vibration plate and will minimize exposure and maybe stop use until I investigate more. Thanks.
I have osteoporosis....never Fosamax for me....none of the pharmaceutical drugs.....I'm putting my machine on the carpet too...better choice...how do these drugs ever pass safety
Yes, good video, however I just got a WVPP which has many settings so my question is which setting is good; the lowest setting? I like the setting that changes every minute, from low to medium to high for a total of 10 minutes. Also how do we convert Htz (or however they measure the movement) to g’s?
Thank you. Excellent discussion and great detail on an important topic. Dr. Rubin does a great job walking us through the science behind whole body vibration and why we should be wary of many of the vibration plates out there.
Hello, I'm so glad I stumbled upon this . I currently am exercising on a power plate on middle setting. I find that if I build up to 4 min. I am completely wasted for at least 2 days, I'm 75 yrs old. I keep telling my friend that I don't think that this is what I should be experiencing. If I stand on the rubber pad it diminishes the intensity of vibrations and, I'm not wasted for two days. Could you speak to that. Also, y daughter is a PT and, she warned me that this is no substitute for regular exercise such as the therapy she recommended for me,
You are specifying what you have found to be good in terms of Gs, but others (e.g., Power Plate) give their settings in terms of frequency (30/sec to 50/sec) and amplitude (in millimeters). At 30/sec frequency and low amplitude, it is just sort of a buzz or hum. Meets your standards? Doesn't meet them? Metrics allowing comparison would be helpful!!!
The G force is critical (and generally unfavourable for PowerPlate) . This might explian why they obscure the data. Please read my extensive post on vibration therapy. Your question will be answered there (including references to studies of PowerPlate) as well as more information on this modality. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
They don’t know the answer….from their site: “A number of readers have asked me if they change the frequency setting on their high intensity vibration platform so that it is 30 hertz will it make the platform safe to use. Frequency is just one variable. Another is displacement. The most important is the intensity and the problem is that it is unlikely that changing the frequency to 30 hertz will bring the device you have into the safe zone.”
I was shopping for a full body vibration plate and trying to decide which brand to buy, so I figured I’d watch reviews on TH-cam when I stumbled across this video. I’m so glad I did! I’ll be saving my money!
Hi Margaret. Thanks for this interview. I am interested, but for some reason the price is hidden. Makes it sound creapy and like a fly by night item. I would like to see a place where I can see it for sale, and the price, etc. You have one, so obviously you have checked it out. I was ready to buy one, but all this difficulty is making me think twice. I have subscribed, so I'll wait for your response. Thank you so much. Lynn.
I bought a vibration plate years ago and haven't used it because I couldn't find a place to put it. My home is carpeted and it would be weird in the kitchen. I'm going to get rid of it after learning the Hi intensity units are dangerous. I thought it would be safe on the lowest setting but it still is too much vibration. I wish I could afford one of the LIV units. Maybe the other manufacturers making the dangerous ones will make some low intensity ones. Thank you for the valuable information!
I'm 74 and have been using mine for a while now and I'm feeling much better. I had a stroke a little one and I'm great using this.😅😅😅 feel MUCH BETTER. I drive, work 3 jobs and I use my machine every day
I'm turning 70 in a few months. I've been using the Red Light Therapy at Planet Fitness with vibration plate on high. I don't have osteoporosis. The vibration plate helps the lymphatic system move along and avoid edema. I was once effected by vibration in my 30's when I rode the wooden rollercoaster in Magic Mountain at 70mph. The shaking was too much and me, my husband and friend didn't make it to work the next day. The shaking did cause us all to be lethargic the next day. But we got over it quickly. I also experienced shaking when I did that Boulder Canyon Zip Line in Nevada.. you couldn't even see straight so shaky. Had no problems with that either. I'll still use the Red Light Therapy with vibration plate at the gym. I feel great.
Thank you for everything you do Margaret Martin. You mentioned that Dr. Rubin will cover the LiV technology in more detail in another video, would you please provide a link or guidance to find Dr. Rubin's most efficient product? Thank you.
Hi Tanya. 1./ Dr. Rubin discusses LiV in detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/zNI3NKkcXU0/w-d-xo.html He discusses LiV plus exercise and bone health in this video: th-cam.com/video/JHx1U_KFYkU/w-d-xo.html I cover the whole set in my blog post here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Hi Margaret - great video. Would you be able to help with this question? I know the recommendation for LIV is less than 1 G. The LIV manufacturer recommends placing the device on a hard surface so the intensity (G's) is not reduced. Is there any data on how much of a reduction in intensity (G's) there would be by placing a device on a rubber exercise mat? And along those same lines, is there a reduction in intensity by wearing shoes or other rubber soled footwear? If so how much? Full disclosure here - I currently have a VibePlate, and it puts out 3-4 G's. After seeing your videos, I want to purchase the Doc's LIV machine and use that instead. Until I get that sold I'll have to use what I have, but wanted to get the G's down to less than 1, per Dr Rubin Thanks John
I'm afraid I'm confused. What does' Low intensity" mean? Does it mean that the movement of the plate is slower? My friend has , for example, a Vibrpower disc. Is it safe to use on teh lowest setting, or is the vibration that Dr Rubin is recommending something that can only be gotten from a different type of machine altogether?
Thank you so much for sharing this interview with Dr. Rubin! I guess the key is to share this information with as many people as possible. I will be sure to share this with all of my student ASAP!
I get the point, but would appreciate knowing how to make sure we are buying a product with the correct parameters. Hz, g’s , duration all play a part. And it’s all new to me! A hz reader costs more than my machine. Do the helpful machines have this info on the box? More info please
I have the personal power plate, now I’m concerned that I’m hurting myself vs helping! I’m a 51yr old hitting menopause and suffer from tight muscles and other issues that come along with my hyper mobility .
Is isn’t clear to me if this will help a 66 year old with severe osteoporosis according to DexaScan. The lowest T-score is a -4.4 at lumbar 3. The lowest at the hip is a -3.0 at the femur neck. I haven’t had a TBS. I try to walk at least 2 miles a day and do other exercises. Will the Marodyne really make any difference in building bone at this stage of my diagnosis? Thank you.
Thanks so much for this. I'm really interested in follow-up studies, and what the state is of knowledge of long-term ARs. I'm guessing there's not much available at this time.
So short sets of low intensity magnetic vibration is in fact good for you and lymphatic drainage, but not whole body, high magnetic, high vibrations. Do I have that right?
This is very important information. I need to purchase a machine but would like some recommendations for what to look for, what to ask or names of safe products.
Hi Margaret, I want to thank you very much for this interview with Dr. Ruben. I had no idea about the rate of vibration for different vibration platforms. This was a huge help!
im very grateful for this video, is there any chance that you can share with us, the links to the studies (papers) so we can read them? Congratulations and thank you.
Yes. I have summarized all of the video interviews and provided references in my post on my website: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Wow this is great! So glad I subscribed. I'll tell the people in my Prolia Side Effects and Complaints support group. So many members there are now so suspicious of pharmaceutical intervention that they are anxious to learn about any research into possible methods to improve bone strength and decrease fracture risk, which don't involve pharmaceuticals. The general feeling is that they'll risk the fractures before they'll struggle with the issues with the pharmaceuticals ever again. Too many broken backs and side effects...the members are desperate for reasonable, well-sourced, researched possible alternatives and methodologies (without the "snake oil" factor of course!) Thanks again and "see" you next week.
Great presentation...I have a small plate at home that I rarely use.....what about lowest speed for two minutes? Is there any benefit? Also I want to thank you for these wonderful podcasts, Margaret...I always look forward to them as someone with low bone density. I bought you exercise book, too.
Thank you for your comments. Dr. Clinton points out in the interview that many of the devices out there are not safe for almost any duration of time. I am releasing his discussion on low intensity vibration platforms next week. That will address your question in more detail.
After listening to the other podcast and now this and being all excited to use my Lifepro, I find this is basically an advertisement to buy one for over 2000 dollars. Guess I’ll just keep exercising like I have been. Thanks for nothing.
Thank you for this as it was suggested to me to use one of these devices for my osteoporosis. A question.. what about light jogging and light horse back riding in terms of damage to the spine?
I have posted two videos on running and osteoporosis. I encourage you to check them out. th-cam.com/video/B6l80gLk4F4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/H28lBJ-YjBc/w-d-xo.html
He is one the founders and the key architect of the device. He disclosed that in one of the interviews I had with him (I had to break the interview into three posts since there was too much content for one human to absorb at one time.)
Thank you for this very informative video. Will you be telling us the cost of the LiV and where we can purchase one in the US? I am very interested already having listened to this video and doing some more research on the internet about the doctor and program at the university. Thank you as always Margaret.
Hi Debby. In the next video, Dr. Rubin will cover the LiV technology in more detail. There is less emphasis on the actual device itself since I am not representing the company or the product.
@@tanyalacey6 I also wrote a post summarizing everything from the three hours of interview. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Thank you Margaret. I was able to purchase the Marodyne LiV Platform. Ten minutes every morning and ten minutes every evening. Have not missed a day. I figure anything and everything we can do to help our bones is a plus. Thank you again for bringing us the latest and smartest info about bone health. Debby
jumps are good - go on your toes- and do down- to the ground- boom.. so make little bom-bom-bom with your heels the idea of the body - is to move.. we are not plants.. ww are moving animals- so use is or you lose it - the body... not only bones, ut muskules , and you gain fat.. just make shure to move different- variety- not one and the same ting every day- but every day- different things, because muskules use to is, they have memory- and after- one point, they stop to develope.. as bones also sowalking , little cardio, little gimnastick, little resisting, all kind, jumping on rope.. etc.. and after time, put more repeating, or more strenght- so to make the movements more complicated - this is the logic of gimnastik and fitnes otherwise you will not make no bones, neither muskules..
A whole body vibration platform and a weighted vest are completely different approaches. Please look at my video on weighted vests. th-cam.com/video/TM8cpV7Hw6Q/w-d-xo.html
I am so glad I found this video. I was checking into these vibration platforms but there are so many available on Amazon, that I now am very confused which one to get. Can you please lead me to some place from where I can buy one of those platforms about which Dr. Rubin talks about.
I believe it is after asking some questions there. Their vibe plates are set at 30 and are used for only 2 minutes before and after session to develop better balance.
For those who need to know ISO 6031: ISO 2631-1:1997 Mechanical Vibration And Shock - Evaluation Of Human Exposure To Whole-Body Vibration - Part 1: General Requirements This part of ISO 2631 defines methods for the measurement of periodic, random and transient whole-body vibration. It indicates the principal factors that combine to determine the degree to which a vibration exposure will be acceptable. Informative annexes indicate current opinion and provide guidance on the possible effects of vibration on health, comfort and perception and motion sickness... . This part of ISO 2631 is applicable to motions transmitted to the human body as a whole through the supporting surfaces: the feet of a standing person, the buttocks, back and feet of a seated person or the supporting area of a recumbent person. This type of vibration is found in vehicles, in machinery, in buildings and in the vicinity of working machinery.
I came across this study that says we can use vibration devices for osteoporosis so who is right? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6112924/pdf/medi-97-e11918.pdf
Thank you for posting! I’ve been searching for information on the Power Plate Pro 7 machines we have at our gym. I’ve been using it after my workouts thinking it’s a good thing but now I’m worried. The information on the screen has a scale of 0-8, Frequency 45, Amplitude high. The trainers don’t seem to know much about the equipment. I’m 65 with osteopenia. 🫤
This is my second vibration oscillating machine th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfz4_K0hTJKkW57TijFZ22TJNCBCKBqZz and this one has a lot more variations and the quality is really good. My other one has a handle but with this one it’s not required the platform is wide enough and the length to be able to do more exercises with and without the handle I can do leg lifts. I use it not only for pain relief but also to help me with Diabetes circulation issues. This was a great present to myself!! It is heavy so be aware of that it’s roughly close to 40-50 lbs but still easy to move when needed. Revision 3/1/21 ; it does weigh exactly how their website mentions and really enjoy this machine and they way it shows on the platform areas to put your feet and what type of exercises it is. I have recommended their machine to my co-workers as well as my MT students. Love their customer Service for any questions or concerns very helpful and courteous!
For those who need to know ISO 6031: ISO 2631-1:1997 Mechanical Vibration And Shock - Evaluation Of Human Exposure To Whole-Body Vibration - Part 1: General Requirements This part of ISO 2631 defines methods for the measurement of periodic, random and transient whole-body vibration. It indicates the principal factors that combine to determine the degree to which a vibration exposure will be acceptable. Informative annexes indicate current opinion and provide guidance on the possible effects of vibration on health, comfort and perception and motion sickness... . This part of ISO 2631 is applicable to motions transmitted to the human body as a whole through the supporting surfaces: the feet of a standing person, the buttocks, back and feet of a seated person or the supporting area of a recumbent person. This type of vibration is found in vehicles, in machinery, in buildings and in the vicinity of working machinery.
I interview Clinton Rubin, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor at State University of New York and discuss the potential health risks associated with a high intensity whole body vibration platform. Visit here to learn more: bit.ly/3UFnZop If you are considering using one of these platforms, you should look at this interview and pay special attention when Dr. Rubin discusses his research on the effects of high intensity whole body vibration on bones.
@@lloydshaw6534 I DON’T THINK THEY WILL EVER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
THIS IS HOW, WE AS SOCIETY GET SO DISCOURAGED,,,
DOCTORS DOCTORS......
I am SO glad I watched this video. Thank you Margaret 🙏
I have never felt stronger than since I started using a plate. (I'm 60) My low back pain and neck pain is gone. My endurance is fantastic. My core is stronger than ever and can hold a plank for almost 2 full minutes. My legs are mega strong and my balance is superb (I paddleboard) I don't use it to the max and only 10 minutes a day doing squats and stretches. He's saying 'all or nothing' and scaring people away. Have him name the bad ones.
So you think whole body vibration devices are worth it then? Cuz I have physical pain issues I'm 32 years old and I've been thinking about getting one.
Well
My bad hip is hurting after using my friend's vibration plate too LONG
Which I'd view this before hand 👁️👁️
Hi. Are you still using the plate.?
@@debbieb5673 Yes ☺ Almost every day.
@@rebecascorner Thanks so much for replying back . I was just diagnosed with osteoporosis and I refuse to use any of those meds they offer. I will be ordering my plate this week
Why is your machine so expensive? Cost is the main factor that makes people choose cheaper devices that have harmful vibrations. Your manufacturing costs cannot be that much greater than those of less expensive devices.
He is just trying to sell his machine
Boy this is important as I am trying to build bone density with no pharma. thank you Margaret
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Margaret, thanks for information. Is there a link to have a discount code, ordering from Australian distributor
From my own research and reading before I purchased the Personal Power Plate, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges in this video discussion. Nor do I feel you understand how Whole Body Vibration that's 3 directional works.
"When it comes to whole body vibration training (WBVT) not all vibrations are equal, nor are all platforms and products. The two most common forms of WBVT platforms are Vertical Vibration (VV) and Rotational Vibration (RV).
The former moves up and down and the later tilts left to right (like a see saw). Without doubt research and science shows both are safe and effective and possess many of the same uses and benefits. Yet there are some distinct differences in experience and application.
Power Plate is indeed a VV platform yet that is not the complete picture. Because of its unique (patented) 3D motion it actually moves up / down, side / side, and front / back with every oscillation.
Indeed it is the only one in the world that does. Why is this important?
Three critical reasons:
Gravity is vertical. This is the most important load (force) on our bodies and we must move with, and against it, all day long whether we are exercising, playing sport, or simply living life. The other side of this coin is that every time we hit the ground - such as our foot hitting the ground when walking or running - the ground hits us back! This is called ground reaction force. Our bodies must be able to tolerate these forces, and impact, or injuries and dysfunction will occur. With Power Plate (VV) the platform lives us and comes back 30-50 x per second. This means our bodies are getting 30-50 ‘micro hits’ of gravity and ground reaction forces when we exercise on it (push up, lunge, plank, squat, etc). This is why Power Plate is one of the most authentic training tools around as it prepares the body for what we have to do naturally every day.
Our entire body’s architecture is made in 3D. There are no straight lines in the body! Books conveniently make it look that way but underneath the skin every tissue is simply designed in 3D. Our nerves, muscles, bones, joints, connective tissues and yes even our organs crave motion in 3D. New tissue models along the line of stress so if we want health new bones, muscles, etc then we need to stimulate them (stress) in alignment with how there are made. That would be in 3D. Our habits literally become our anatomy - how we move (or don’t) will become your new body. In life and sport we move up and down, side to side to side, and front and back thus Power Plate stimulates the body authentically to function!
Frequency, amplitude, and g-forces. WBV traditionally uses these 3 terms to define how much work we are doing on a platform and therefore how much stress is being applied to our body. Science shows that optimal ranges seem to be 25-50 Hz, 2-6mm, 1-8 G’s. Indeed these are Power Plates ranges. One of the key things to VV is that once you set your frequency and amplitude (and therefore forces) it will stay precise no matter how you move during the exercise. So for example if you select 40 Hz / High (5 G’s) and decide to do push and squats it doesn’t matter whether you have a wide squat and push up or a narrow one, you are working against the same load. However with RV this is not the case. As you change your hand and foot position, wider or narrower, the forces change. A wider stance would equal more forces and a narrower less. This means that if a small, but strong person, squats with a narrow stance and a larger less conditioned person squats with a wider stance (which they have too being bigger), the deconditioned larger person is squatting against greater force. It should be the other way around. This would be analogous to saying that a treadmill moves faster for taller people than short. Also with some RV platforms they can go in excess of 16G, which is extremely high to say the least with no apparent aded benefit yet greater potential risk.
So in short both forms of WBVT are safe and effective. Both have science and proven results.
But when you consider how we, as human beings, are designed to move Power Plate ticks many more boxes of authentic function as well as delivering what is proven to be safe and effective vibrational levels."
Dr. Rubin's concerns stem from his research and publication looking at these platforms. He has documented the issues here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3688642/
If you feel that the Power Plate is safe and you feel good using it, then you should continue to do so.
Dr. Rubens will obviously say what he does and support his choice of equipment because he has a large vested interest in the one he helped design and very good luck to him and his ventures. I’m certainly not saying he is deliberately swayed in speaking out on this one way or another and mixing up short term “exercise” using vibration to that of long term industrial exposure in the same breath, but there are equally opposite thoughts on shorter time exposure and 3D equipment being utilized safely if the correct movements are carried out. These definitive conversations will obviously continue for years I would imagine, just as magnetic field mat use arguments still do (or whether they even work) and of course many other “inventions” over the years, sometimes whacky and sometimes very good, all making “vast” amounts of money of course and all supposedly helping mankind without pharmaceutical help with thousands of followers to each camp. Many are very subjective however, without unconditional, unbiased, long term critical testing and of course most often sway to an inventor’s personal fact finding research. Time will tell perhaps but in the meantime it doesn’t help the multitude of sufferers as the debates continue and the the opposing camps vehemently collect and collate everything possible to support their own views. I guess the history of this goes back to Nicola Tesla and his plate, (supposedly tried successfully on Mark Twain). These things have been around for years now and no one has actually reported the terrible damage talked about here, or indeed on any successful law suits from adverse equipment. It would be interesting to see that. The main safety information is probably and mainly based on industrial vibration in the workplace. This presentation of yours is rather biased to products he is personally involved with it seems. It’s big business to sell and it’s big business to have discussions on TH-cam. I will remain as impartial as I can with the present information out over many years, but in the end, this is the same as other rather biased TH-cam videos, with the poor patients hanging on every word.
So I appreciate the longform discussion, but without being told "these are the products that we know are safe and here's where you can buy them", what are we supposed to do with this information as far as a purchasing decision?
Basically, if the platform moves (which almost all WBV units do) it almost certainly does not conform to ISO 6131 standards. I've looked long and hard and to date, only two units appear genuinely low impact: Marodyne LIV and Juvent. The is priced between $2,700 and the latter as high as $6,500. A friend thought that was a bit steep but I asked her, "Your AP Spine T-score came back at -3.3. You admit you spent considerably more than $3,000 in the past five years on non-reimbursable chiropractic adjustments, massage therapy, and doctor visits. The back pain you have is almost debilitating at times and your Doc said your bone scan showed further advancement of Osteoporosis. IF a LIV platform can arrest that process and you prorate the cost ($3,000) over three years that comes out to be about $20 a week or $2.75 a day. Clearly, there are people who can't pay that up front and yet when bisphosphonates and parathyroid hormones are the best medicine can do, bone loss is aggressive (2%-3% a MONTH postmenopause), and fracturing a hip can be as potentially lethal as cervical cancer, what options do you have?"
The worst-case scenario? The unit doesn't deliver, you return it in 30 days, and just get nailed for shipping. (Note: I have no financial interest in any company providing these devices.)
@@andredarin8966 Thank you so much.
Is it posssible to make these available Vibration plates (commonly available for $130 on Amazon) more safe by making them low intensity?? If we put a thick spongy mat below the soles -- where you are standing -- would it reduce the intensity and render it safe? Thanks
So is it safe to use my existing plate on low settings?
This interview is excellent, helpful and crucial.
There is a huge difference between taking one 500mg Tylenol vs five 500mg Tylenol as one shot for the pain. The latter will cause more harm to the liver than good. Hence, FDA has changed the recommendation of no more than 3000mg max per 24 hrs - and that's coming from the mouth of a 40+ years of a pharmacist.
Li V is the way to go, especially when it comes to one's health in our elderly stage.
Margaret, you have done a great service to your audiences.
Appreciate you.
Blessings from LA
I just watched Dr. Rubin's video and read the comments below but I am confused about some of the terminology. Is a vibration machine that is described as "high frequency" mean the same thing as "high intensity"? and does low amplitude mean the machine is low intensity? I am wondering if the VT007 Vibration Plate - High Frequency 15-40Hz Low Amplitude machine found on Amazon a high or low intensity machine and does it meet the standards that Dr. Rubin outlines?
Thank you in advance for your response.
I’m very confused now as yesterday I watched these very same presenters talking on an hour video saying that 2min to 10 min a day on a vibration plate is a good idea? So which video came first ? Which is the correct information?
Thank you for all this information about high intensity vibration machines. I dont see how sales people on QVC or HSN networks say that the machines they sell are good for you and not even mention how to use them properly and explain the health hazards that can happen when using them. I have seen a several low reviews on Amazon of people saying it made some part of my body hurt more or had to go to the hospital after using the machine. At the end of your video, it comes down to greedy marketing and not telling the whole truth like both of you do in this video. This is the first video that I now get the correct message on which vibration machines are good for myself, and it is surely not most of them on Amazon. Great discussion. take care.
Thank you for sharing.
@@margaretmartinpt Whether it's a watch, a pair of shoes, or a device intended as an intervention for a medical problem, there's almost a straight-line correlation between price and quality. I've seen it countless times: luminaries such as Dr. Rubin set the table with decades of research and marketers jump in with both feet to peddle cheap knockoffs seemingly lacking any concern for the damage they may do.
My vibration plate goes from 15hz-40hz... is that safe?
then what are the machines you recommend
So Dr Rubin, you mention Fosomax for osteopenia, etc issues, but haven't you heard about all of the reports of jaw bone major degeneration from using even recomm dosage of 1/day? What about do no harm? I have a vibration plate and will minimize exposure and maybe stop use until I investigate more. Thanks.
I have osteoporosis....never Fosamax for me....none of the pharmaceutical drugs.....I'm putting my machine on the carpet too...better choice...how do these drugs ever pass safety
I can’t afford this vibrating plate. Any other suggestions?
Yes, good video, however I just got a WVPP which has many settings so my question is which setting is good; the lowest setting? I like the setting that changes every minute, from low to medium to high for a total of 10 minutes. Also how do we convert Htz (or however they measure the movement) to g’s?
Of course, NO R E P L Y -
Thank you. Excellent discussion and great detail on an important topic. Dr. Rubin does a great job walking us through the science behind whole body vibration and why we should be wary of many of the vibration plates out there.
Our pleasure!
Hello, I'm so glad I stumbled upon this . I currently am exercising on a power plate on middle setting. I find that if I build up to 4 min. I am completely wasted for at least 2 days, I'm 75 yrs old. I keep telling my friend that I don't think that this is what I should be experiencing. If I stand on the rubber pad it diminishes the intensity of vibrations and, I'm not wasted for two days. Could you speak to that. Also, y daughter is a PT and, she warned me that this is no substitute for regular exercise such as the therapy she recommended for me,
Your daughter is a PT? What does she recommend?
You are specifying what you have found to be good in terms of Gs, but others (e.g., Power Plate) give their settings in terms of frequency (30/sec to 50/sec) and amplitude (in millimeters). At 30/sec frequency and low amplitude, it is just sort of a buzz or hum. Meets your standards? Doesn't meet them? Metrics allowing comparison would be helpful!!!
The G force is critical (and generally unfavourable for PowerPlate) . This might explian why they obscure the data. Please read my extensive post on vibration therapy. Your question will be answered there (including references to studies of PowerPlate) as well as more information on this modality. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
@@margaretmartinpt If I'm right Juvent's water-bowl comparison illustrates the difference between their unit and Power Plate. It's scary.
They don’t know the answer….from their site: “A number of readers have asked me if they change the frequency setting on their high intensity vibration platform so that it is 30 hertz will it make the platform safe to use. Frequency is just one variable. Another is displacement. The most important is the intensity and the problem is that it is unlikely that changing the frequency to 30 hertz will bring the device you have into the safe zone.”
I was shopping for a full body vibration plate and trying to decide which brand to buy, so I figured I’d watch reviews on TH-cam when I stumbled across this video. I’m so glad I did! I’ll be saving my money!
Saving money?? This plate costs in Europe about 3000,-€....
Hi Margaret. Thanks for this interview. I am interested, but for some reason the price is hidden. Makes it sound creapy and like a fly by night item. I would like to see a place where I can see it for sale, and the price, etc. You have one, so obviously you have checked it out. I was ready to buy one, but all this difficulty is making me think twice. I have subscribed, so I'll wait for your response. Thank you so much. Lynn.
I Googled searched the product name. It's about $3000. That's out of reach for me.
I bought a vibration plate years ago and haven't used it because I couldn't find a place to put it. My home is carpeted and it would be weird in the kitchen.
I'm going to get rid of it after learning the Hi intensity units are dangerous. I thought it would be safe on the lowest setting but it still is too much vibration.
I wish I could afford one of the LIV units. Maybe the other manufacturers making the dangerous ones will make some low intensity ones.
Thank you for the valuable information!
I'm 74 and have been using mine for a while now and I'm feeling much better. I had a stroke a little one and I'm great using this.😅😅😅 feel MUCH BETTER. I drive, work 3 jobs and I use my machine every day
I'm turning 70 in a few months. I've been using the Red Light Therapy at Planet Fitness with vibration plate on high. I don't have osteoporosis. The vibration plate helps the lymphatic system move along and avoid edema. I was once effected by vibration in my 30's when I rode the wooden rollercoaster in Magic Mountain at 70mph. The shaking was too much and me, my husband and friend didn't make it to work the next day. The shaking did cause us all to be lethargic the next day. But we got over it quickly. I also experienced shaking when I did that Boulder Canyon Zip Line in Nevada.. you couldn't even see straight so shaky. Had no problems with that either. I'll still use the Red Light Therapy with vibration plate at the gym. I feel great.
Thank you, looking forward to the rest of these podcasts regarding vibration. Really interesting!
More to come!
What about rising slightly on the ball of your foot while lifting the heel and then dropping back down onto your foot flat on the floor?
Thank you for everything you do Margaret Martin. You mentioned that Dr. Rubin will cover the LiV technology in more detail in another video, would you please provide a link or guidance to find Dr. Rubin's most efficient product? Thank you.
Hi Tanya.
1./ Dr. Rubin discusses LiV in detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/zNI3NKkcXU0/w-d-xo.html
He discusses LiV plus exercise and bone health in this video: th-cam.com/video/JHx1U_KFYkU/w-d-xo.html
I cover the whole set in my blog post here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Where can we buy his device?
Truck drivers spend hrs and hrs driving everday for years. Not 10-20 minutes a day. That example doesn't make sense to me.
Hi Margaret - great video. Would you be able to help with this question? I know the recommendation for LIV is less than 1 G. The LIV manufacturer recommends placing the device on a hard surface so the intensity (G's) is not reduced. Is there any data on how much of a reduction in intensity (G's) there would be by placing a device on a rubber exercise mat? And along those same lines, is there a reduction in intensity by wearing shoes or other rubber soled footwear? If so how much?
Full disclosure here - I currently have a VibePlate, and it puts out 3-4 G's. After seeing your videos, I want to purchase the Doc's LIV machine and use that instead. Until I get that sold I'll have to use what I have, but wanted to get the G's down to less than 1, per Dr Rubin
Thanks
John
Hi John. Please contact Marodyne with this question. Thanks.
So is this why he’s putting down higher vibration rates because he has a cheap a little cheesy one to sell? I’m just wondering
I'm afraid I'm confused. What does' Low intensity" mean? Does it mean that the movement of the plate is slower? My friend has , for example, a Vibrpower disc. Is it safe to use on teh lowest setting, or is the vibration that Dr Rubin is recommending something that can only be gotten from a different type of machine altogether?
Hi Cath. This question (and more) is covered in my post on my blog: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
When is the best time of day to use it??
Thank you so much for sharing this interview with Dr. Rubin! I guess the key is to share this information with as many people as possible. I will be sure to share this with all of my student ASAP!
Glad you enjoyed it!
How do I know the intensity of my vibration plate? Where do I find that info, I see nothing about number of G force
The benefits of the calcium nose spray sound wonderful!!!!
I get the point, but would appreciate knowing how to make sure we are buying a product with the correct parameters. Hz, g’s , duration all play a part. And it’s all new to me! A hz reader costs more than my machine. Do the helpful machines have this info on the box? More info please
I explain in detail here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
I have the personal power plate, now I’m concerned that I’m hurting myself vs helping! I’m a 51yr old hitting menopause and suffer from tight muscles and other issues that come along with my hyper mobility .
Is isn’t clear to me if this will help a 66 year old with severe osteoporosis according to DexaScan. The lowest T-score is a -4.4 at lumbar 3. The lowest at the hip is a -3.0 at the femur neck. I haven’t had a TBS. I try to walk at least 2 miles a day and do other exercises. Will the Marodyne really make any difference in building bone at this stage of my diagnosis? Thank you.
What about trampoline
what device do you recommend
Thanks so much for this. I'm really interested in follow-up studies, and what the state is of knowledge of long-term ARs. I'm guessing there's not much available at this time.
So short sets of low intensity magnetic vibration is in fact good for you and lymphatic drainage, but not whole body, high magnetic, high vibrations. Do I have that right?
When to use before or after a meal??
Morning or noon or eve which tomes is best ??
This is very important information. I need to purchase a machine but would like some recommendations for what to look for, what to ask or names of safe products.
Please contact Marodyne in your country of residence. Thank you.
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you!
How far apart from before or after meal??
Excellent information. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Margaret,
I want to thank you very much for this interview with Dr. Ruben. I had no idea about the rate of vibration for different vibration platforms. This was a huge help!
You are very welcome
im very grateful for this video, is there any chance that you can share with us, the links to the studies (papers) so we can read them? Congratulations and thank you.
Yes. I have summarized all of the video interviews and provided references in my post on my website: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
@@margaretmartinpt Thank you :) im reading it right now :)
Wow this is great! So glad I subscribed. I'll tell the people in my Prolia Side Effects and Complaints support group. So many members there are now so suspicious of pharmaceutical intervention that they are anxious to learn about any research into possible methods to improve bone strength and decrease fracture risk, which don't involve pharmaceuticals. The general feeling is that they'll risk the fractures before they'll struggle with the issues with the pharmaceuticals ever again. Too many broken backs and side effects...the members are desperate for reasonable, well-sourced, researched possible alternatives and methodologies (without the "snake oil" factor of course!) Thanks again and "see" you next week.
Thank you! See you next week!
Great presentation...I have a
small plate at home that I rarely use.....what about lowest speed for two minutes? Is there any benefit?
Also I want to thank you for these wonderful podcasts,
Margaret...I always look forward to them as someone with low bone density. I bought you exercise book, too.
Thank you for your comments. Dr. Clinton points out in the interview that many of the devices out there are not safe for almost any duration of time. I am releasing his discussion on low intensity vibration platforms next week. That will address your question in more detail.
@@margaretmartinpt oh good! I will await that.
Okay--thank you--I will look forward to that.
After listening to the other podcast and now this and being all excited to use my Lifepro, I find this is basically an advertisement to buy one for over 2000 dollars. Guess I’ll just keep exercising like I have been. Thanks for nothing.
Would this help my mother, a 95 year old woman who has a non healing neck fracture? I want to get one delivered to her Independent Living residence.
Is he talking about the vibration plates in the red light booth at Planet Fitness?
How about use for lymphadema
Thank you for this as it was suggested to me to use one of these devices for my osteoporosis. A question.. what about light jogging and light horse back riding in terms of damage to the spine?
I have posted two videos on running and osteoporosis. I encourage you to check them out. th-cam.com/video/B6l80gLk4F4/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/H28lBJ-YjBc/w-d-xo.html
What is Dr. Clinton Rubins financial interest in the VIB plate?
He is one the founders and the key architect of the device. He disclosed that in one of the interviews I had with him (I had to break the interview into three posts since there was too much content for one human to absorb at one time.)
Hello! How do you feel about the ‘solo flex’
vibe platform?
are the vibration machines ok for an apartment? I live in the upper floor (last floor)
Thank you for this very informative video. Will you be telling us the cost of the LiV and where we can purchase one in the US? I am very interested already having listened to this video and doing some more research on the internet about the doctor and program at the university. Thank you as always Margaret.
Hi Debby. In the next video, Dr. Rubin will cover the LiV technology in more detail. There is less emphasis on the actual device itself since I am not representing the company or the product.
@@margaretmartinpt can you please provide a link to this video?
@@tanyalacey6 You can find the video here: th-cam.com/video/zNI3NKkcXU0/w-d-xo.html
@@tanyalacey6 I also wrote a post summarizing everything from the three hours of interview. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Thank you Margaret. I was able to purchase the Marodyne LiV Platform. Ten minutes every morning and ten minutes every evening. Have not missed a day. I figure anything and everything we can do to help our bones is a plus. Thank you again for bringing us the latest and smartest info about bone health. Debby
Thank you. Very informative.
What about Theragun/Therabody? Is that safe? I saw it on ‘ Doctors’
I would like to know if a rowing machine is beneficial to help with bone loss?
jumps are good - go on your toes- and do down- to the ground- boom.. so make little bom-bom-bom with your heels
the idea of the body - is to move.. we are not plants.. ww are moving animals- so use is or you lose it - the body... not only bones, ut muskules , and you gain fat..
just make shure to move different- variety- not one and the same ting every day- but every day- different things, because muskules use to is, they have memory- and after- one point, they stop to develope.. as bones also
sowalking , little cardio, little gimnastick, little resisting, all kind, jumping on rope.. etc.. and after time, put more repeating, or more strenght- so to make the movements more complicated - this is the logic of gimnastik and fitnes
otherwise you will not make no bones, neither muskules..
I have osteoporosis and right full hip replacement. Can I use this machine without hurting my fake hip?
My mom who had hip replacement sits in her recliner and puts feet on vibration plate on lowest vibration. 10min. Every few days, not every day.
Is g greater than hz?
So what kind of vibration platform is beneficial for improving bone density?
Hello. Thank you. Please look at my video review of the Marodyne platform. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/
they are sooooo expensive, not fair
@@margaretmartinpt
where can one buy a LIV vibration plate? and how expensive are they?
You can learn about the platform here: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/
About 5k
Why do the astronauts in space use this type of treatment? Don’t you think that if it was dangerous, they wouldn’t let the astronauts do it.
I hope at some time osteoporosis of the skull will be discussed.
Do you lose weight and tone your legs and circulation please thank s ♥️
How would this compare to wearing a weight vest?
A whole body vibration platform and a weighted vest are completely different approaches. Please look at my video on weighted vests. th-cam.com/video/TM8cpV7Hw6Q/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Rubin Are you saying That OsterStrong is not safe?
Dr Rubin stated the whole body vibration platforms are not safe.
I wish i saw this before buying a lifepro 😒
So the high intensity is not good?
Correct
Thank you Margaret and Dr Rubin! 👍🏻 I’m progressing through your Yoga and Exercise books for OP. Love them.
Wonderful!
I am so glad I found this video. I was checking into these vibration platforms but there are so many available on Amazon, that I now am very confused which one to get. Can you please lead me to some place from where I can buy one of those platforms about which Dr. Rubin talks about.
Sure. Here you go. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/
Dr. Rubin, Is OsteoStrong safe for Osteoporosis?
I believe it is after asking some questions there. Their vibe plates are set at 30 and are used for only 2 minutes before and after session to develop better balance.
So, vibration machines are a waste of money?
For those who need to know ISO 6031:
ISO 2631-1:1997
Mechanical Vibration And Shock - Evaluation Of Human Exposure To Whole-Body Vibration - Part 1: General Requirements
This part of ISO 2631 defines methods for the measurement of periodic, random and transient whole-body vibration. It indicates the principal factors that combine to determine the degree to which a vibration exposure will be acceptable. Informative annexes indicate current opinion and provide guidance on the possible effects of vibration on health, comfort and perception and motion sickness... .
This part of ISO 2631 is applicable to motions transmitted to the human body as a whole through the supporting surfaces: the feet of a standing person, the buttocks, back and feet of a seated person or the supporting area of a recumbent person. This type of vibration is found in vehicles, in machinery, in buildings and in the vicinity of working machinery.
Thanks
Its 4k folks. Who can afford it 😂
OMG
I came across this study that says we can use vibration devices for osteoporosis so who is right? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6112924/pdf/medi-97-e11918.pdf
Thank you for posting! I’ve been searching for information on the Power Plate Pro 7 machines we have at our gym. I’ve been using it after my workouts thinking it’s a good thing but now I’m worried. The information on the screen has a scale of 0-8, Frequency 45, Amplitude high. The trainers don’t seem to know much about the equipment. I’m 65 with osteopenia. 🫤
You should probably avoid high intensity vibration platforms given your situation
if the frequency is adjusted on this Power plate to 30 hz will that be safe and beneficial?
This is my second vibration oscillating machine th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfz4_K0hTJKkW57TijFZ22TJNCBCKBqZz and this one has a lot more variations and the quality is really good. My other one has a handle but with this one it’s not required the platform is wide enough and the length to be able to do more exercises with and without the handle I can do leg lifts. I use it not only for pain relief but also to help me with Diabetes circulation issues. This was a great present to myself!! It is heavy so be aware of that it’s roughly close to 40-50 lbs but still easy to move when needed. Revision 3/1/21 ; it does weigh exactly how their website mentions and really enjoy this machine and they way it shows on the platform areas to put your feet and what type of exercises it is. I have recommended their machine to my co-workers as well as my MT students. Love their customer Service for any questions or concerns very helpful and courteous!
For those who need to know ISO 6031:
ISO 2631-1:1997
Mechanical Vibration And Shock - Evaluation Of Human Exposure To Whole-Body Vibration - Part 1: General Requirements
This part of ISO 2631 defines methods for the measurement of periodic, random and transient whole-body vibration. It indicates the principal factors that combine to determine the degree to which a vibration exposure will be acceptable. Informative annexes indicate current opinion and provide guidance on the possible effects of vibration on health, comfort and perception and motion sickness... .
This part of ISO 2631 is applicable to motions transmitted to the human body as a whole through the supporting surfaces: the feet of a standing person, the buttocks, back and feet of a seated person or the supporting area of a recumbent person. This type of vibration is found in vehicles, in machinery, in buildings and in the vicinity of working machinery.