The Stuart Turner 10H Part 8. Final Assembly and Run
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Attempted rescue of the 3D printed eccentric strap oil passageway.
Making and fitting the cleading to the steam cylinder.
Bonding the newly designed valve chest gland assembly to the steam chest.
Fitting the packing to the glands.
Running on air before final disassembly, inspection, cosmetic finishing and reassembly.
Some wildlife clips from the garden including the micro dinosaur. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I have been watching CEE for several years now. The video before I clicked to watch you was them. Homie keeps them in line.
The out takes at the end are gold.
Regards,
Mark
I know the CEE and I am watching the channel.
It's almost unbelievable what he is doing.
Can't stop watching his videos until the end!
I love it when Kurtis casually parts of a piece of 150mm diameter chrome bar using power feed like it was nothing!
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Mark
I have never been able to drill a hole with those small tungsten drill without breaking one either!
I had read some reviews of that set that I bought and that was the common complaint. I sort of knew there was a high chance of breaking it but I just wanted to get through the surface hardness. If it had jammed in the hole I was going to be screwed but for once the broken off point did the right thing and flicked out of the hole.
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Mark
@@Preso58 I have bought loose ones at exhibitions for 10p each. I think they may be designed for drilling PCB boards. The cutting edge has a small angle compared to a normal drill.
It never ceases to amaze me the skills and workmanship exhibited by Kurtis at CEE.
On one of his Q&A videos he talked about his work history and I was amazed that he was largely self taught.
Regards,
Mark
@@Preso58 yes I seen that, there is no replacement for natural talent.
Your comments about “trade skill degrees “ is spot on … in the 60’s here in the states I was encouraged to go a technical high school (post Sputnik), and was told I couldn’t make it through college because the technical training was insufficient, in the 70’s educators actively opposed teaching skills because they “wanted more” for students i.e. a college degree. By 80’s the technical schools were gone and in the 90’s I had a number of engineers on my staff who disliked their profession and had a mountain of debt… I once asked an educator, several years my senior, why many educators think college is the only way to success and happiness … he said I think it’s because it is the only path they know and they don’t like getting their hands dirty
I agree. We ended up with a lot of students who fell in line with the policy of staying on to graduate in year 12 but in reality they couldn't cope with the higher level maths, science and English. Many became behaviour problems and essentially wasted two years which could have been spent learning a trade. Those that did finish year 12 but chose not to go on to university then had to find employment but often their attitude worked against them. We, as teachers. were often told by employer groups that they found older school graduates were more difficult to train, often turned up to work late or hung over and most had disrespectful attitudes towards their work colleagues. I always found that teaching year 10 students was easier than teaching older students (age 17,18) because they were still willing to listen and accept guidance. I have met up with many former students who went on to learn a trade and they generally did well and seemed to be happy with their choice.
Regards,
Mark
Hi Mark, the battle of trade school vs college is one that is being fought by Mike Rowe here in the states. He has been a champion of the trades for many years and is fortunate enough to have built up some notoriety and uses that to great advantage. I attended a trade school in my youth for the machine trades and even though that isn’t my current vocation I have used what I learned there in both my personal and professional lives.
Thanks for videos and the continued education.
I have watched a few of Mike Rowe's videos on the importance of trade education. One in particular nearly bought me to tears. He is a passionate voice for the importance of balance in education and the recognition of different pathways to forming a career. My own son left school early to take advantage of an apprenticeship as a fitter/machinist. He finished his trade training early and then leveraged his qualification to get a job in New Zealand as a service technician in a company that sold and maintained industrial air blowers and ventilators. He jumped again to become the team leader at a semi government research and technology company in Wellington. I always maintained that a trade qualification is a stepping stone to a quality career without the burden of a student loan and subsequent debt.
Regards,
Mark
Gday, the engine looks fantastic, definitely much better with the brass cleading, cheers
Enjoyed the build. We have a bearded dragon as a pet named Groot.
I have since been told by a herpetologist that it was a water dragon. They are very similar and I was fooled by the colour. Water dragons are a bluey grey and black when mature but they can be brown and tan when young. We have seen mature bearded dragons around here and they are change to a light grey and charcoal colour. Groot is a good name though!
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Mark
Lovely little engine! Bet she'd look sweet in pinstripes…
"Cleading" - a new word for me. Related to "cladding," maybe? I think some little hex head cap screws in the corners would look more authentic than the slot screws.
Congrats
I am leaning towards a more industrial look for this engine. I have some nice grey and sage green powdercoat. Back when I had steady hands I used to add "lining" to my engines with an old school drafting ink pen. I still have it actually but my poor old shaky hands would never make it work now. I used to refer to cladding as the wooden slats which were often clamped on the outside of boilers and engine cylinders. Cleading however always refers to sheet metal over the insulation material. I used to work at the Brisbane Maritime Museum as a volunteer back in the late 1970's and they had a warehouse full of formed asbestos insulation sitting on high shelves. It was left over from the days of marine steam plants and it was sitting there awaiting disposal. The thing I remember was looking up at the particles of asbestos glittering in the sunlight coming through the overhead skylights. How times have changed!
Regards,
Mark
You were right on with CEE. Happen to find their channel a few weeks ago and Kurtis has an abundance of knowledge that I can only wish for.
Nice result. Your comments on CEE are spot on. ... plus Karen's video production is outstanding and very complementary to Kurtis's wide rage of skills.
Looks like an Eastern Water Dragon hatchling to me, Preso!
You may be right but they tend to be more of a grey colour. This one was a distinct tan/khaki colour. Having said that, they may be able to change colour like the native geckos that we get around here.
Regards,
Mark
@@Preso58 Hi again Preso! I live in SA and am actually a bit of an amateur herpetologist. I have kept and bred hundreds of Inland Bearded Dragons and also many Eastern Water Dragons, over the years. They do vary in colour, somewhat, but what you had was definitely an Eastern Water Dragon. I quite enjoy your wildlife snippets at the end! Keep up the great content mate!😀
@@paulcurtis9852 Thanks for clearing that up. We have found quite a few (or possibly the same one several times) over the last couple of weeks. One was in our bath, one in our dining room and the other in the garage. Each time we have taken them outside which makes me think that maybe some eggs had all hatched out together but I cannot imagine that a full grown water dragon laid eggs in our house.
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Mark
@@Preso58 If you want to give them a helping hand to survive, offer them a little bit of soft cat food (eg Kit-e-cat), You can put a small amount on a saucer or even offer a bit on the end of your finger. That would make a great video shot !😄
That's a great looking engine.
Nice Mark!
A spray bottle of soapy water helps for lining up stickers ,just a quick spray before putting the sticker on and you can move it around untill the water dries.
That would help to avoid the "wonky sticker effect".
Regards,
Mark
Your so right about the worlds education. We need people who can work out the sq root of a milk bottle out. But we also need clever people who can take the top off😂
We have the same problem with the perception of the trades here in Canada.
Good thing you could save the oil passage. And thinking that I wanted to offer you some very small carbide drill bits when you were here. But you refused :)
Ahh yes. I never thought I would need them! How wrong I was. Every time I go to the dentist I ask a lot of questions about the tools they use. I recently had to have a root canal procedure and I asked about the files and drills they used and they gladly showed me. The little files are finer than a strand of hair and they can curve around and follow the nerve cavity in the tooth. At the same time I was given the little dental burrs I was also given three dental picks and probes. They are wonderful tools and super tough. The quality of the steel is exceptional.
Regards,
Mark
Great work!!! I have cleaned up sticky dash pots in high voltage circuit breakers which are essentially a piston and cylinder using Brasso. Perhaps a quick run with Brasso instead of or mixed with oil might help? A good clean afterwards of course.
I watch the CEE channel too. I enjoy the massive jobs as a "lightweight" model engineer.
Yes, I always hold my breath when Kurtis starts hoisting those giant parts. I reckon the forklift counts as a legitimate machine tool too.
Regards,
Mark
Hi Mark. Well done on getting out of a bind. The Dremel comes in handy from time to time. The Stuart engine looks beautiful. 👍😀
I wish I had one of those Foredom flexible shaft grinders. They always seemed to be the most desirable of the hand held grinding tools. I used to drool over the advertisements in the old Model Engineer magazines and even the older style of Dremel tools seemed to be a luxury I couldn't afford. As it turns out, the Dremel I am using now is the third I have owned. The first one ingested a piece of steel scrap and blew up spectacularly while I was using it and the second one had a failed speed controller unit. This third one had better last!
Regards,
Mark
Hi Mark,
Close call on the 316 drill hole, nice save.
Version 2 in brass cover cleading strap thing 👍👍
High speed load test run: "pass"
Sure looks great, I'm sure you'll have the friction drag issue sorted soon.
Cheers....
Thanks Dean. I am still chasing that illusive "Joe Pie fit".
Regards,
Mark
On top of Kurtis ‘s machining skills is his material handling
Watch him on the forklift /crane /overhead winch
I agree. That forklift is almost as versatile as the rest of his machine tools.
Regards,
Mark
American patriot Thomas Paine once wrote "These are the times that try men's souls..." While he was not taking about machining stainless steel, it applies to your frustration! Very happy it turned out okay in the end. I really like the brass lagging! Your local menagerie never ceases to amaze me mate! The engine is a work of art.
Thanks. Despite the multiple problems with that 3D printed eccentric strap and rod, it really does look great and it satisfied my curiosity about 3D printed metal parts. I have a model turbojet engine that is currently awaiting some remedial work due to a hot start distorting the nozzle guide vane assembly. I made it from two stainless steel parts that were tig welded together. It was not the best way to do it because the assembly is prone to distortion due to uneven heating. I am considering having the part printed as one piece. The great thing about 3D printing the part is that the complexity of the part doesn't increase the cost. It's only the volume of metal that sets the price of the finished part.
Regards,
Mark
This engine turned out very nice. Beautiful. You should be very proud.
Hey Mark 👋🏼
That little engine is a quality build….. so when it is ‘run in’ it will go like a Singer 😁
We get LOTS of Eastern Water Dragons down here ( Sydney )
Specially along the creek lines.
I’ve seen one monster over 30” long 😱
Sometimes the ‘knock’ is caused by ‘late’ valve opening ( valve should admit just before TDC and BDC to provide a ‘cushion’ at the reversal of the piston stroke.
Love yer work mate… and you’re right about Kurtis & Karen. His videos should be ‘required viewing’ by all Yr. 10 students as part of Career Advice.
Inspirational….
I suggested just such an idea to the Queensland Govt. guys down at the recent Manufacturing Expo.
Polite nods but not much more
😤
Robert
Robert, I mentioned to Kurtis that I would have gladly used his videos as a teaching resource in my VET classes but TH-cam was blocked on our school network. By the time I retired I had grown disillusioned with the way the classified positions in Education Queensland had been infiltrated by "career educators" who had spent little time in the classroom but felt they knew enough to tell us how to do our job. Do I sound bitter?
I am sure the Stuart 10H will run a lot better after I dismantle it for finishing. I need to go through every assembly and fine tune the fits.
Regards,
Mark
@@Preso58
Hear hear on the Pencil Necks in Bureaucracies mate 🤬🤬
CEE is a team of 3 😉👍👍
Apparently it's a team of four now. George the butcher bird gets a mention on their promo pack too.
Regards,
Mark
You are a dinosaur like me my dear Friend I was the secretary of the LTC for the department of industrial relations responsible for trades recognition Australia. ( TRA). I loved your comments about the further education of tradesman something I was always encouraged every applicant to do. I had also agreements with various colleges of advance education as well as Army Airfoce, and Navy in order to assist trades persons to further their education. I see today the current situation withe HECS and I am very sad.
My wife and I are planning to pay off our daughter's HECS debt so that she can avoid the indexation. We have told her she can pay us back a nominal amount but I get really wild about the way HECS debt indexation is applied. It's like moving the goal posts indefinitely for a one off obligation. Towards the end of my teaching career, all year 12 students were sent to special classes so that they could fill out their tertiary education applications. There was no mention of alternative career pathways or if they were mentioned at all it was as if apprenticeships were a fall back position just in case you didn't make it into uni. It used to make me quite cross!
Regards,
Mark
Hi Preso,
Glad you were able to save the eccentric strap. The engine looks great. I have no doubt it will break in and run fine.
So enjoy your channel, really jealous of your surroundings keep the videos coming 👍🏴
Thanks. I never take it for granted that we have the space and the proximity to a national park. It is literally just across the road and many of the birds and animals range over large areas extending out of the park and into our yard. Sadly, a lot of the kangaroos and the wallabies don't make it across the road and it was only a few months ago that we found a dead wallaby with a live joey in the pouch. It's an orphan now but they can be rehabilitated easily and that's why I like to support WILVOS.
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Mark
I was warned by someone who works with 316 to not go slowly and never, ever stop drilling. There's also a problem with 316 nuts and bolts , they can cold weld. Only had this happen to me once. Fortunately application of excessive force got them apart. Really should only be spun on by hand.
I have heard of stainless galling together. I spoke to someone who did a lot of marine engineering and fabrication and he told me that they always used two different grades of stainless if a nut and a bolt had to be used as a fastening system. I learned the hard way that a Bridgeport is not exactly the right tool to use if you want to drill tiny holes in 316. My Bridgeport quill is quite stiff and you get zero feedback on cutting tools that small.
Regards,
Mark
Most impressive! I built one of these, like many did, some years ago, but without the improvements you added. One thing I wished I had looked into was adding some sort of counterweights to the crank shaft or flywheel. These engines can really bounce around on a table. What I also found was that the public only sees the engine's cosmetics, not so much the workmanship. Importantly a beautifully dressed up engine can be very inspiring to lure students into the field. Some inspiration may be found in looking at how the Victorian steam engines were dressed up. Thanks for the video. Cheers.
These little engines really do run at non scale speed. I am hoping to build something like a dynamo for it to run so it can operate at a lower RPM. Just turning down the air pressure doesn't really work so well since at either end of the stroke you are just relying on the momentum in the flywheel to keep it running and with such little mass in the rim of the flywheel it still runs a bit choppy.
Regards,
Mark
Once again a perfect candidate for EDM plunge tool. If you have any small knowledge and practise with electronic bits an pieces, it is a fairly easy thing to make. I suspect most small stick welders use transistorised power supplies at reasonable frequencies, ie 10-20 Khz. This is more than suitable for plunge edm use, next is a device to raise and lower electrode into work, this can be easily done with off the shelf stepper motors and drivers, the mechanical part you can make easily. The only tricky part is to control the power requirements via sensing over and under voltage/current, which triggers the up and down motion of tool, and possibly shutdown current in device. All of this stuff is off the shelf today.
I know just enough about electricity to be dangerous. But, I would love to get into wire EDM and the like. It still seems like devil magic to me!
Regards,
Mark
@@Preso58 the plunge tool is far easier than wire type (brass wire running through rollers), there were simple plans around for broken bolt removal, this can be implemented from simple to more refined control over both electrical and mechanical aspects.
Way back when my Dad was in Victoria a Tech School Teacher running at the time I went through a T12 (Technical) program run beside the more Academic TOP (Tertiary Orientation Program) nerds like me did and headed off to Uni. At the same time it was still fairly common for kids to exit 'school' and head off to an Apprenticeship in Year 10. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Kennett remains a dumb... to this day for what he did to T12 and the entire Technical School System, TAFE and a now extreme lack of competent tradies or a pathway to becoming one.
I was able to visit the "Melbourne University" back in about 2006 and I was surprised that it turned out to be a trade school. We used to spend a lot of time talking to employer groups and they were resentful that they were getting fewer and fewer apprentice applications from year 10 graduates. They all complained that apprentice applicants from year 12 were less likely to turn up on time, often arrived for work hung over and had "know it all" attitudes. Like all social experiments, the push to boost retention rates had unexpected consequences.
Regards,
Mark
Nice work, I am building a 10v from scratch (no castings) 👍👍
That will be a real challenge. So many odd shapes that need to be rendered from solid stock. However, I remember reading a book by Gerald Wingrove. He made exquisite model cars from scratch and his observation was that all parts are just primitive shapes like cylinders, cones and blocks joined together.
Regards,
Mark
@@Preso58 I am about halfway through 👍
I was going to say I could EDM that oil hole for you. Of course we are half a world apart, so its good to see the dremel did the trick. 😊
One day we will all have desktop fiber laser cutters, water jet cutters and, I hope, EDM machines. For now, all we can do is dream!
Regards,
Mark
That’s a lovely engine - great build. I ech your sentiments regarding the trades. I hope more young people take inspiration from people like Curtis at CEE and Josh at Topper Machine.
That's awesome see that running...I can remember building a hot air engine as a school project many many years ago it was a long process but it worked and I got top marks...keep up the good work nice to see how u go about different challenges on that build ...
It must have been a nice achievement to be able to make a working engine at school. The best we could manage was a little oscillating engine but ever so many were never finished and they got tossed out at the end of the year. I did have one class though who really took it seriously and they even added refinements like fans and propellers to the crankshafts. One kid finished his in traditional John Deere colours.
Regards,
Mark
that's a fine engine!!!
Carbide drills are very sensitive to runout. On a drill that size, even .001" runout is a lot. I suspect this was part of the reason it broke. Luckily it fell out of the hole though!
I knew it was a high risk procedure and I fully expected that I would end up breaking a few bits. Getting it jammed in the hole was my biggest fear though.
Regards,
Mark
I like brass lagging. I can’t wait to see what colours you paint it all. Very nice work.
I was considering some sort of classic colour scheme like Maroon or Royal Blue but I am now leaning towards a more industrial look like Machinery Grey or a dull Sage Green.
Regards,
Mark
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I felt the pain of the broken bit.
I dropped my centre rest and broke the hinge. No problem, braze it and re-drill the hinge pin hole . The drill sank through the braze and broke when it hit the cast iron. The brazing had hardened it.
Used a carbide end mill and drilled out the twist drill, then broke the end mill at the same point! Luckily it fragmented and I was able to blow the fragments out. Second carbide end mill and very gently got past the transition.
15 minute job took half a day and lots of frustration.
Well, I can certainly sympathise. These things are sent to try us!
Regards,
Mark
Curtis is a great example what can be achieved with hard work and constant mind set. He goes from strength to strength and is a master of welding. Mark where would you go for fixed reamers for hobby metal working.
I just bought a set of imperial machine reamers from CTC tools www.ctctools.biz/hss-reamers/
They are based in Hong Kong but the quality of the tools seems to be very good. I have purchased reamers from random eBay sellers before and it's a bit hit and miss in terms of accuracy and overall quality but CTC seems to be uniformly good and the shipping costs are reasonable. The last purchase I made turned up in about two weeks.
Regards,
Mark
Love your work.....where did you get the digital height gauge from?
I bought that on eBay about five years ago. There are no manufacturers marks on it but I think it is German. It's a nice unit and very heavy.
Regards,
Mark
Let me try again....
Hi Mark. Great Vids.
Just wondered if anyone out there, who's just got a simple cheap lathe and no milling machine with no DRO etc, knows the old school way of using a face plate, verticle slide, "keats" angle plate etc, to machine bores or other features etc...Would be interested to hear your comments! Cheers.
I have all those things because I started out having to use a medium sized Hercus lathe (copy of the South Bend). It wasn't my lathe but it belonged to the school where I used to work. I would go in on the weekend and do all my hobby machining then. No DRO and very little tooling. I used a standard Mitutoyo vernier (not digital) and I ground all my own tools from HSS. Having had that experience made me understand backlash in lead screws and how to compensate for it and using HSS tools made me appreciate feeds and speeds and what you can and cannot cut in that way. It is just my opinion but I think that most hobby machinists probably start out with the bare minimum of equipment and gradually acquire more accurate and more expensive tooling and accessories.
Regards,
Mark
Hi, did you use gaskets/joints between the cyclinder housing and end plates and the steam chest? These can add the slightest extra clearance for the piston etc so that it can be better adjusted to not make contact at either end of the stroke. My Stuart D10V came with the gaskets pre-cut.
There was a set of pre-cut but very thin gaskets in the kit. These may not survive the rebuild but I have some thicker gasket stock for the second assembly. I think the issue is the gland nut on the cylinder cover. It seemed to be a bit tight in certain orientations and the thread is probably not concentric with the end cover. I may have to re-make it and single point the thread. Which is a pain!
Regards,
Mark
Curtis (or Karl, if you know, you know) and Presser, two heavyweights.
It's annoying when the engine runs stiff after all that work. I had the same thing years ago but it was much worse than yours as I had to machine 3 thou out of the cylinder and all was good after that but it took me almost all day to find the fault. I still could not find why because I machined all the parts to dimension.
Yes, it's frustrating. I thought I was doing really well up until the time I started to fit the cylinder to the rest of the engine. I think the issue is a lack of concentricity in the piston rod gland. I cut the threads with a die and I should have single point threaded them while they were in the chuck. I may have to bore the hole in the gland a bit bigger. It goes against my instincts to oversize such a hole but the gland packing will take up around the piston rod and it won't leak but it still seems like a cop out.
Regards,
Mark
No crocs around?
Not today! Although, that little bearded dragon is a close cousin.
Regards,
Mark
Not everybody is cut out for Uni, but by the time they discover this it's too late to switch to a trade. It's been made too difficult/expensive for a tradesman to take on a 16 yo apprentice, so a 20yo has no hope. The end result is we have to import trades...
The biggest hurdle for kids starting a trade young is the lack of public transport, especially where I live. In capital cities it's not as difficult but if a 15 or 16 year old can't get to the job site it's always going to be hard for the first couple of years. I was told by some employers that they preferred younger apprentice applicants because they could train them the way they wanted.
Regards,
Mark
I tried throughout my 25 year teaching career to convince my "superiors" the value of industrial technical education. I was deemed a "dinosaur" and retired. Tired.
The irony was that towards the end of my career, the board subjects of Senior Graphics and Industrial Technology and Design were abandoned and we were forced to teach VET subjects like Furnishing, Construction and Engineering. "Engineering" was really just a certificate one course in machining and fabrication. It should have been a perfect introduction to the trades but it was so dumbed down that there was no incentive to create high quality work. The assessment was deemed to be either competent or not competent but there was no grading so many students just did the bare minimum in order to attain their competencies. I felt sorry for the kids who went out of their way to make a finely crafted project only to be told they were "competent". Although it wasn't required or recorded I would still give them a grade on a 15 point scale. It was worth it to tell them, "Yes, you are competent but I would still grade that as an A+." That always put a smile on their faces.
Regards,
Mark
So true about about uni, if evefybody has a degree it undermines the value of a degree, which supposed to show a superior education, not an average one.
It also reminds me of the old witticism, that a degree will get you a decent job, working for a boss who hasn't got one!
I believe your comment is very elitist I have seen degree holding individuals not knowing shit fro clay resorting to tradesmen for advice in allot of instances. I consider my self to be an expert on education for every country in the world because that was my job in the DIRESB.
@@nicolasaivaliotis6574 better to be elite than mediocre! 😉