I've been playing table tennis for many years, so I know how much more complex and difficult and fast it is compared to what people usually think, but getting all these numbers and comparisons from the video made me respect table tennis even more.
You really should, yeah. Especially on somewhat higher levels, players will start and actively deceive opponents with their movements with things like aftermotions and such. Also, the fact that most people rely on their ears to gain as much information on the rotation of the ball is the sole reason why you'll often times see people stomp their feet on the ground while serving, it's mainly used to camouflage the sound of contact. But aside from that, sound is the one thing with which you really can't deceive opponents, so that's why people will usually trust on their hearing in order to determine spin.
@@user-bd1tk8hh6m i have played tabletennis for 6 years now and i know poeple playing it for decades. You dont use your ears to determine spin. You just use the opponents motion to detect what spin the ball has and some players look at the letters on the ball to see it too. Thats it
@@ricaaat you dont use your ears to determine WHAT sping is on there but HOW MUCH spin is on the ball. The kind of spin is indeed seen by player movement.
@@ricaaat If you can look at the letters on the ball while playing you really ain't playing on a high level m8, you can hear the diverence between a lot of spin and almost no spin really well
Table Tennis is an amazing sport. You can play in a match that is equivalent to the "Thrilla in Manila," rest a minute, and repeat it again and again onto exhaustion. The best thing about Table Tennis is that you can have an all-out war, just like in boxing, and nobody gets hurt! I once went to a doctor for a treadmill stress test. Before he gave me the test, he asked me how many miles I ran a week. I said zero- I hate to run. I told him my only exercise was playing table tennis 3-4 hours 3 - 4 times a week. He wasn't too impressed. I went back for the results, and the Doc was quite rude. I asked him what was wrong, and he said he didn't like to be lied to. I had the third highest score in the entire time he had been giving the test and the only way I could do that, according to the doctor, was if I was a marathon runner. I said I didn't lie to you, I told you how much I played Table Tennis. He apparently thought that playing Table Tennis at a club was the same as playing Ping Pong in your garage, and that is just not true. Just for the record, that was 40 years ago, and I am nowhere near that level of conditioning now.
Had a similar experience - not with a doctor, but in a PE class. The instructor scoffed at me when I told him I was in pretty good shape because I was a mid-level tournament table tennis player. After a few treadmill tests, he stopped scoffing, but wasn't (why?) happy about it. I recall reading some years ago that, in some testing done (in Sweden?), high level table tennis players' aerobic capacity was second only to elite cross-country skiers. I wonder if anyone's tested anaerobic capacity, since you obviously need that to play this game well.
JKD1735281 When you can hear the sound difference to read spin, it makes it much much easier. You can see what spin you oponent gives to the ball but you can not see how much spin there is on the ball. Thats why hearing is so important on high level play.
Looks like an exhibition match, if you search up most outrageous table tennis match ever, you will see j.m. saive (was one of the best players of his time, and Timo Boll, one of the best players in Europe.
The heck? Sound? There is an arguement for it at service.....but during a rally? Nit the case at all. You look at the opponent's body and paddle. This all seems like bro science to me. I've yet to meet a coach that teaches his/her players in auditory stimuli. Again, bro science.
Not true! Sound is not what they use to determine spin. It's a game of anticipation. Players still rely mostly on visual cues instead of auditory! They can anticipate the spin based on the body/hand motion of the opponent. They can also read a bit of the spin from the ball logo itself for "short" balls.
@@Tateww-Shorts man, no one said you couldn't appreciate anything. We're critiquing what's said in a "sports science" video. You don't need to be a professional to do that.
Great video. Not so sure about the physical condition of an elite table tennis player and an elite soccer player tho. I'm almost certain that soccer players have much better physical endurance and condition than a table tennis player. But I don't think you can really compare an explosive fast sport like table tennis with an endurance sport like soccer.
Hahahahahaha relying on sound to determine spin (or the amount of spin), hahahahahahahahaha. I guess that has been the secret of JOW, Timo Ball, Ma Ling, Liu Guolian, Ma Long and every great player, right. Whoever has ever trained table tennis knows that you pay attention to the opponent's paddle movement and whenever you are not sure YOU apply what you think could be the choice like your best topspin to counter side spin for example. Search online and show me a professional tutorial that explains the techniques to "identify the spin with your ears".
That's why fakes exist, also it is easier to tell if the ball has less backspin or it's dead or a combination of side and topspin if you know there's less brushing. If you don't mask the sound, it is 100% easy to counter. That's why pros uses sidespin in their serves as well. Sidespin have different purposes for both backspin and topspin in long and short serves. Also they use information from the people they film to do the documentary as well. Pros gauges spin in multiple ways and have counter measures. Like for example in times of doubt either place it short to the middle, add heavy spin or flick when the height is enough. The information of the documentary is more of like an introductory fun fact for people that don't know about the game. Doesn't make it false, but yes the game has much more complexity.
It’s virtually IMPOSSIBLE to read spin with your eyes???? Are you kidding me?? My god who wrote and researched this shit? What about bat brushing and movement and the curvature of the ball? Not to mention the ball has a logo that informs the player of the spin. The ears can help when it comes determining the rhythm and brushing but that’s not the the first thing pros rely on.
@@charlieuneus8907 actually u don't hear the spin. You hear the ball contact on the bat and can deduce the amount the spin. Also the trajectory of the ball gives an idea of the amount and type of spin. People don't stand there and look for these signs, but they come naturally with 1000s of hours of practice.
I've been playing table tennis for many years, so I know how much more complex and difficult and fast it is compared to what people usually think, but getting all these numbers and comparisons from the video made me respect table tennis even more.
Our profile pictures are the same exept in color.
This sport is way too underrated
It is a superlative sport.
It fun to play but not as excited and fun to watch that why.
@@GuHasegawa who told you....Noob
You don't really use ears as much as looking at the opponents movements to determine the spin
Actually you do or you should
You really should, yeah. Especially on somewhat higher levels, players will start and actively deceive opponents with their movements with things like aftermotions and such.
Also, the fact that most people rely on their ears to gain as much information on the rotation of the ball is the sole reason why you'll often times see people stomp their feet on the ground while serving, it's mainly used to camouflage the sound of contact. But aside from that, sound is the one thing with which you really can't deceive opponents, so that's why people will usually trust on their hearing in order to determine spin.
@@user-bd1tk8hh6m i have played tabletennis for 6 years now and i know poeple playing it for decades. You dont use your ears to determine spin. You just use the opponents motion to detect what spin the ball has and some players look at the letters on the ball to see it too. Thats it
@@ricaaat you dont use your ears to determine WHAT sping is on there but HOW MUCH spin is on the ball. The kind of spin is indeed seen by player movement.
@@ricaaat If you can look at the letters on the ball while playing you really ain't playing on a high level m8, you can hear the diverence between a lot of spin and almost no spin really well
Table Tennis is an amazing sport. You can play in a match that is equivalent to the "Thrilla in Manila," rest a minute, and repeat it again and again onto exhaustion. The best thing about Table Tennis is that you can have an all-out war, just like in boxing, and nobody gets hurt! I once went to a doctor for a treadmill stress test. Before he gave me the test, he asked me how many miles I ran a week. I said zero- I hate to run. I told him my only exercise was playing table tennis 3-4 hours 3 - 4 times a week. He wasn't too impressed. I went back for the results, and the Doc was quite rude. I asked him what was wrong, and he said he didn't like to be lied to. I had the third highest score in the entire time he had been giving the test and the only way I could do that, according to the doctor, was if I was a marathon runner. I said I didn't lie to you, I told you how much I played Table Tennis. He apparently thought that playing Table Tennis at a club was the same as playing Ping Pong in your garage, and that is just not true. Just for the record, that was 40 years ago, and I am nowhere near that level of conditioning now.
Barry Tesar Love this.
Had a similar experience - not with a doctor, but in a PE class. The instructor scoffed at me when I told him I was in pretty good shape because I was a mid-level tournament table tennis player. After a few treadmill tests, he stopped scoffing, but wasn't (why?) happy about it. I recall reading some years ago that, in some testing done (in Sweden?), high level table tennis players' aerobic capacity was second only to elite cross-country skiers. I wonder if anyone's tested anaerobic capacity, since you obviously need that to play this game well.
It's really frustrating I understand. People just don't understand that there are many people who play it seriously.
Table tennis without spin is just pingpong. Table tennis is art of spins
this editing as absurdly over the top lol
Erica Wu ranked 431th in 2012 not an elite player imho.
@George Dragulin anything below top300 is meaningless tbh
@George Dragulin why does that matter
@George Dragulin i dont think i was clear. RANKINGS below top300 are meaningless
@George Dragulin obviously she is going to be much better than me, but she is not an elite player
Still quite high in the world, not Mima Ito or any of the other top people, but high chance of beating your average regional player.
Where is the full video?? couldnt find anywhere
To read spin you watch the opponent and the opponent's bat. If the bat goes under the ball, backspin. Over the ball, topspin
JKD1735281 It is still important to hear how the ball sounds
JKD1735281 When you can hear the sound difference to read spin, it makes it much much easier. You can see what spin you oponent gives to the ball but you can not see how much spin there is on the ball. Thats why hearing is so important on high level play.
This is why people stomp when serving. I always listen for the sound of the ball
Not always true
cute how u think its that simple^^
Good info, I'm a table tennis champion at school! Good facts!
You can read the spin by looking at the ball actually, you just need to go in a lower stance.
2:08 who are these "elite players"? They certainly don't look elite to me. The makers of this video didn't even bother to look for better examples.
Pretty sure that this is exhibition
Looks like an exhibition match, if you search up most outrageous table tennis match ever, you will see j.m. saive (was one of the best players of his time, and Timo Boll, one of the best players in Europe.
@@jerushkadoesstuff189 they aren't elite players though... She might be good in USA but she wouldn't do well outside of usa
I thought Adam Bobrow was the narrator for a second
Do you have permission to use this footage? Can I use this footage as well?
Its fantastic work
But if it come with slow motion or little more illustrious.
When I discover that I am superman (table tennis player)
The heck? Sound? There is an arguement for it at service.....but during a rally? Nit the case at all. You look at the opponent's body and paddle. This all seems like bro science to me. I've yet to meet a coach that teaches his/her players in auditory stimuli. Again, bro science.
Not true! Sound is not what they use to determine spin. It's a game of anticipation. Players still rely mostly on visual cues instead of auditory! They can anticipate the spin based on the body/hand motion of the opponent. They can also read a bit of the spin from the ball logo itself for "short" balls.
Agreed
I think they mean loop vs something like drive or smash.
@@jerushkadoesstuff189 still mostly visual. From the motion of the opponent and the path of the ball.
Man,if youre not a proffesional player,then you dont know what youre talking about.We do use ears too to apreciate the level of the spin of a ball.
@@Tateww-Shorts man, no one said you couldn't appreciate anything. We're critiquing what's said in a "sports science" video. You don't need to be a professional to do that.
Teach me tomahawk serve
Great video. Not so sure about the physical condition of an elite table tennis player and an elite soccer player tho. I'm almost certain that soccer players have much better physical endurance and condition than a table tennis player. But I don't think you can really compare an explosive fast sport like table tennis with an endurance sport like soccer.
lort retsam You should see a real TT pro player, you would be reaaaaaaaaally surprised.
@@ronronronronyo8358 still even so, a soccer player would still have more endurance than a TT player.
@@rajnibrown2194 more endurance but less overall stamina.
@@rajnibrown2194 well, maybe a bad comparison but the swedish table tennis team had better endurance than the swedish cycling team in the 90’s
Hahahahahaha relying on sound to determine spin (or the amount of spin), hahahahahahahahaha. I guess that has been the secret of JOW, Timo Ball, Ma Ling, Liu Guolian, Ma Long and every great player, right. Whoever has ever trained table tennis knows that you pay attention to the opponent's paddle movement and whenever you are not sure YOU apply what you think could be the choice like your best topspin to counter side spin for example. Search online and show me a professional tutorial that explains the techniques to "identify the spin with your ears".
its the reason players stamp their foot when they serve
That's why fakes exist, also it is easier to tell if the ball has less backspin or it's dead or a combination of side and topspin if you know there's less brushing. If you don't mask the sound, it is 100% easy to counter.
That's why pros uses sidespin in their serves as well. Sidespin have different purposes for both backspin and topspin in long and short serves.
Also they use information from the people they film to do the documentary as well.
Pros gauges spin in multiple ways and have counter measures. Like for example in times of doubt either place it short to the middle, add heavy spin or flick when the height is enough.
The information of the documentary is more of like an introductory fun fact for people that don't know about the game. Doesn't make it false, but yes the game has much more complexity.
umm, sound? what.
Waldner.
It’s virtually IMPOSSIBLE to read spin with your eyes???? Are you kidding me?? My god who wrote and researched this shit? What about bat brushing and movement and the curvature of the ball? Not to mention the ball has a logo that informs the player of the spin. The ears can help when it comes determining the rhythm and brushing but that’s not the the first thing pros rely on.
Adam bobrow is commenting
Stolen video without any reference.
Yik
0:48 illegal
It's a warm up rally, come on now.
come on, captain obvious! It's a practice rally... You've never trained in a club, have you?
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Rimpy Singh I agree
Dufuq this was the stupidest thing I ever heard😂
You hear the spin really
Charlie Uneus yes, it’s like tennis
This video is a bunch of non-sense. Like the reason why people go back and play. 😂
@@charlieuneus8907 yep you do
@@charlieuneus8907 actually u don't hear the spin. You hear the ball contact on the bat and can deduce the amount the spin. Also the trajectory of the ball gives an idea of the amount and type of spin. People don't stand there and look for these signs, but they come naturally with 1000s of hours of practice.