NOTE PRIORITY If more than one note is played at the same time, the note which is played (the note priority) depends on the setting of the slide switch in the ENVELOPE section: GATE+TRIG: the Last note is played GATE or LFO: the Lowest note is played.
It definitely did not work with this Ms-1 MK-2! Of course I tried all the switch positions. And you can see in my video that the SH also plays the last note when it‘s on GATE only. Also when the switch is on LFO. It‘s always the last note with the OG SH-101.
@@winesynths Behringer have made this sort of mistake before... it might have been with the Octave Cat clone, I forget. They'll probably fix it in firmware eventually, but they don't seem to see these things as the priority they deserve to be. Still, if it was a Korg, it would probably stay like that forever.
What's funny is that if this was released back in the 80's, instead of the SH-101, people would do amazing things with it. Aphex Twin would still make amazing music with it. If Rolands SH-101 was released today as a clone of Behringers, people would be pissing an moaning about how it doesn't have the magic of Behringers MS-1. But people love to winge and moan, and not make any music with it.
Speculation of course (About how they would have been received had they been released in the order you mention), but ergonomically the Behringer is not LIVE-play friendly with those button-placements (You can't rest your hand-palm on the cover on the Behringer, because the lower-row buttons are in the way, but you can on the Roland which I used to do myself when I had it ;) And things like that are SUPER-important, so much so that I am not going to get the Behringer although I wanted to until seeing this review. I sold my Roland in 2019, for 4 times what I paid for it in 1991, and regret it almost every single day) The SH101 is a perfect synth.
I nearly bought an SH-101 back in 1983 and have regretted not doing so ever since. The fact that this is available is wonderful for everyone in my shoes who never got one then or before Behringer came along with the MS-1, now the MK2 version. I too noticed there are some flaws present in the device in this video and am hoping Behringer is hearing the observations and will do a firmware upgrade--I cannot see them NOT doing so with their excellent track record on such things, and they're not alone. They sound VERY close! The calibration is certainly going to be different between a new unit that's so close and an original which is inevitably going to be calibrated differently, that's normal, but there is some slight difference in sound between the two. Firmware updates are in order. I cannot believe they left out portamento for the upper register, that's incredible. Great no BS comparison!
The attack/filter will be down to how the original has been calibrated, it's probably not the same as it was when it was new. You can calibrate the clone to suit.
I updated my ms-1 mk2 to latest firmware (1.0.7) today and was happy to find Behringer has added a note priority setting, last note priority is an option now.
@winesynths The last note priority works with my MS1-MKII. (above and below the held note) I also cancelled my order with Music Store and ordered with Thomann and got lucky to get one of the first batch. Great Review Christiophe. The MKII is defenitly a keeper for me.
ms-1 note priority is the same as the 101. it has both last/low depending on the gate/trigger switch position; stated on page 29 of the roland user manual.
@winesynths you had the switches on "gate" so of course it will be low note priority on ms-1, it is stated in the manual of both synths. Your 101 is Not behaving like an unmodded unit! My ms-1 mkii plays last note priority No Problem.
@@winesynths I had the Roland from 1991 to 2019, where I sold it for 4 times what I bought it for because I was moving... but I regret selling it so much!!! Thank you very much for this review. I was planning on getting the Behringer, but after seeing your review I have decided to pass on the Behringer. Not so much because of the sound, which does sound ok in your video (I still did prefer the sound on you Roland though, and some of the attacks sounded better on the Roland also, and the filter and resonance) But because of the button-placement on the Behringer. The 2-rows make it impossible to rest the palm of your hand on the cover just above the key-bed (The gate-tempo knob, I think it is, is where I would normally have my palm resting when playing with the LFO during LIVE-play. That big round button is so badly placed right there. Maybe it's not a problem for other people, but at least I can't really work the LFO-slider the way I want to if I can't rest my hand on the synth while playing. I just lose that ergonomic feel if I have to have my hand raised away from the synth. When the palm rests on the synth-cover you know exactly where the LFO-slider is positioned even without looking at it, but when you have your hand in the air you can't feel that. Very poor design-choice by Behringer I think) So this is a very helpful review you made. Thank you (And I was so hoping the Behringer could have replaced the SH101 for me, but sadly that is a no-go)
At least it's not bigger than the original. That's what drives me crazy about the TD-3. They took out the batteries and it's still bigger just because it's a big cheap single PCB design.
The battery operation is definitely a missed opportunity and certainly 100 steps would be even better, but I believe the overall sophistication of Behringer's which I have on my BARP Odyssey is very good, at least as good come down to it. Yet, I cannot disagree completely, I feel you.
You could fairly easily power it with a power bank, if you wanted. You can also use an external sequencer if you find you don’t like the internal one. I honestly don’t mind the sequencer changes they made, and FM is a great addition.
I have a v1 of this in black. I am conflicted about it. On one hand some things fall short in terms of the accuracy of the reproduction. On the other hand it is incredibly good value for a fairly solidly built and decent sounding monosynth with good connectivity and built in sequncer. The FM is also a cool addition
I had the mk 1 for almost two years. Then i bought an original 101 and it’s nothing like it. This is well crafted minimal mono-synth that’s sound amazing in every knob position. I have un moded one and I’m triggering the sequencer, the Beringer sequencer is more advanced but it behaves very different. So even if you match the sounds between those two synths, you can’t quit get the same behavior and for my taste, loosing a lot of this synth character.
@@keg3212 it’s in a way that you can do more things with this sequencer but the basic thing is not the same as the portamento. Which is very disappointing. I’m not saying that the ms is not a good synth, but it’s not the same. If you want think the those two synths are in same level of paying attention to details so you’re under estimating line of products that changed electronic music forever, for being so presided that every position is a sweet spot. Playing with this kind of instrument is very musical and inspiring, can’t say the same on the ms.
Meinen MS-1 MKII hab ich jetzt auch bekommen. Hatte beim Musicstore gecancelt und bei Thomann bestellt. Bei Thomann war er dann letzte Woche gekommen, beim Musicstore heißt es immer noch: bei heutiger Bestellung erhältlich am 21. Oktober 2024.
@YoYoYo I have an mc-202 for twenty years now and my ms-1 mkii sounds and feels just like it. Nothing feels off. Hopefully starsky does a video so potential buyers can get a better and more thorough comparison.
behringer just updated the firmware that adds the ability to choose any note priority. this makes it better than your modded unit and it also retains the original roland mode as on option
Test hat Spaß gemacht aber hätte gerne gesehen und gehört wie du beide Synthesizer jeweils mit Trigger in ansteuerst zb über den Rimshot trigger der 707 um zb ne coole Acid Bassline zu machen und wie beide im Vergleich klingen. Habe die mk1 Version und mache das zuhause nur und kriege hervorragende Ergebnisse zustande! Aber mein MS 1 hat das Problem das ab und zu die Power leuchte flackert und er dann nicht an geht. Deswegen kriege ich die Tage die mk2 Version und bin gespannt.
@@winesynths NOTE PRIORITY If more than one note is played at the same time, the note which is played (the note priority) depends on the setting of the slide switch in the ENVELOPE section: GATE+TRIG: the Last note is played GATE or LFO: the Lowest note is played.
Took me 2 hours last to set up the CV gate on the sh 101 ended up just triggering the notes ...still sounds better than the behringer but ya the midi on the clones is the way to go
Kurze Frage, hab vorhin den MS1 mk2 rot bekommen aber habe festgestellt das er gar kein extl clk in Anschluss hat wie bei der MK1 Version . Habe versucht über Synthtribe auf trigger umgestellt und habe das Kabel vom Rimshot trigger der 707 in Sync angeschlossen aber nichts tut sich ? Wo soll ich das am ms1 mk2 anschließen?
Habe das Gerät leider schon längst zurück geschickt. Aber er hat doch diesen Trigger Input wie Ext CLK beim SH-101. Damit müsste das gehen. Sonst kann ich dir leider nicht grossartig weiterhelfen.
@@winesynths komischerweise hat die MK1 Version besagten Eingang. Aber bei der Roten MK2 Version sind hinten nur Vcf und Sync in sowie Gate & Cv in CV und Gate out und Velocety out dann kommt Midi in/out/Thru und die normalen Eingänge phones/ext Audio in und hold. Voll der scheiß das die den Eingang entfernt haben , das macht für mich kein sinn? Habs über all angeschlossen und auch mit der RD8 probiert...geht nix !
@@winesynths in Synthtribe bei clocksource auf trigger und die Rate geändert...nix passiert! In der Rd 8 die trigger gesetzt und im Ms1 ne bassline programmiert und dann die RD8 gestartet und dann play gedrückt und nichts passiert. An meiner MK1 Version geht das ohne Probleme. Im schlimmsten Fall schick ich die wieder zurück
Harping on about the past is kinda okay if all you wanna do is scratch your chin But it actually Sounds fantastic ❤ embrace the future whole heartedly 💯✌🏽
No, facing all of that I'd certainly prefer the original. What's most annoying is the seemingly permanent VCF decay, even if none should be heard. I've already heard from the portamento flaw except the low note priority from a remote keyboard that originally has last note priority. That's sloppy, especially since that's MS version 2. All of that immediately needs to get improved, no matter what the instrument's price tag is.
SH-101 sounds wwwaaayyyy better and cleaner and clearer, and more powerful. Original = win! They could add as many features as they like, if the sound isn't there I don't buy.
Yea, it does which is quite bad. They just confirmed the hardware bug on the model 15. This could also be a hardware bug as it should be all analog in that section unless it has a digital envelope.
THE MS1 IS USELESS FOR ME AS I CANNOT TURN THE SEQUENCER ON AND OFF IN SLAVE MODE . . . . ... . . .. . . . YOU NEED A COMPUTER TOO !!!!!!! MISSED OPPORTUNITY ULI .
@@user-rv8wb1nl1b and I do that from my Elektron Model:Cycles. In Synthtribe v2.8.1 I set Clock source = MIDI DIN, Sequencer auto sync = Activated. Now the MS101 sequencer starts when Model:Cycles starts sending clock via midi. When clock is stopped then it stops. When clock is re-started then the sequencer re-starts.
@@herberdth does it reset at the start of sequence ? how would i do this on an mpcx ? i had to use the synthtribe app, anyway i have a PRO 3 now . . . . .
hör auf die eingewanderten katzen vom nachbar zu essen... NOTE PRIORITY If more than one note is played at the same time, the note which is played (the note priority) depends on the setting of the slide switch in the ENVELOPE section: GATE+TRIG: the Last note is played GATE or LFO: the Lowest note is played.
It happens only in Ohio! 😂 It definitely did not work with this Ms-1 MK-2! Of course, I tried all the switch positions. And you can see in my video that the SH also plays the last note when it‘s on GATE only. Also, when the switch is on LFO. It‘s always the last note playing with the OG SH-101.
@@winesynths strangely, it works for others, no idea if that has something to do with the update or the system tool version, but it seems to work. ps. where are the unborn babies shot, Alabama?🤣
Seems like Softubes Model 82 is much closer to the real SH-101 than Behringer. The Starsky Carr comparison for that one whos that it is almost spot on.
@@mattbrown-mb a more precise replication of the SH101 since Coolaudio did a BA662 chip clone. It's even less noisy than the OG. This means that instead of using OPAmps to emulate the BA662 implementation (which is practically several paired transistors inside) they could now be closer on the envelopes and the filter. I would love to see the envelope plotted on this new one. Some old videos showed the MS1 Mk1 envelopes as linear, some showed it as exponential like the OG SH101.
You're not a very good reviewer, you have no idea what you are talking about. The note priority acts the same as the original SH-101. Please stop reviewing, you are doing no one any favours with your misinformation. A shame.
LMAOOO You have no idea what the SH-101 can do. 😂 The MS-1 MKI or MKII, can't do sooooo many things the SH-101 can, but you wouldn't know because you don't know what to look for. The way you review you seem quite unaware. For anyone new to the SH-101. Go check out Mathew Johnsons videos. There you will see at least a dozen things the MS-1 mkii cannot do. And there are a couple more SH-101 videos out there that will TRULY show you what the sh-101 can do, and the MS-1 cannot. This reviewer seems to think comparing single tones is a comparison. 😂
Explain please. What cant mkii do? Other than 100 note seq. Not talking about tubitec firmware but OG. There are at least 2 variants of SH101. One with lots of bg noise and unstable ground level. One with better ground level and a bit less bg noise. B MKii got better opamps and better BA662 wrt noise.
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NOTE PRIORITY
If more than one note is played at the same time,
the note which is played (the note priority) depends
on the setting of the slide switch in the ENVELOPE
section:
GATE+TRIG: the Last note is played
GATE or LFO: the Lowest note is played.
It definitely did not work with this Ms-1 MK-2! Of course I tried all the switch positions. And you can see in my video that the SH also plays the last note when it‘s on GATE only. Also when the switch is on LFO. It‘s always the last note with the OG SH-101.
@@winesynths Behringer have made this sort of mistake before... it might have been with the Octave Cat clone, I forget. They'll probably fix it in firmware eventually, but they don't seem to see these things as the priority they deserve to be. Still, if it was a Korg, it would probably stay like that forever.
23:00 Important UPDATE: That "note priority" issue has been fixed with their latest firmware V1.0.7 announced today.
wish it came in grey or at least gray
What's funny is that if this was released back in the 80's, instead of the SH-101, people would do amazing things with it. Aphex Twin would still make amazing music with it. If Rolands SH-101 was released today as a clone of Behringers, people would be pissing an moaning about how it doesn't have the magic of Behringers MS-1.
But people love to winge and moan, and not make any music with it.
I just want to buy one
@@keg3212 uh.... no
Old gear heads bitch the most because they’re crotchety. There’s no helping that.
Speculation of course (About how they would have been received had they been released in the order you mention), but ergonomically the Behringer is not LIVE-play friendly with those button-placements (You can't rest your hand-palm on the cover on the Behringer, because the lower-row buttons are in the way, but you can on the Roland which I used to do myself when I had it ;) And things like that are SUPER-important, so much so that I am not going to get the Behringer although I wanted to until seeing this review. I sold my Roland in 2019, for 4 times what I paid for it in 1991, and regret it almost every single day)
The SH101 is a perfect synth.
@@JELmusic Sure, but compare the MS-1 to the SH-01A… I really do wish Roland would do some proper reissues.
I nearly bought an SH-101 back in 1983 and have regretted not doing so ever since. The fact that this is available is wonderful for everyone in my shoes who never got one then or before Behringer came along with the MS-1, now the MK2 version. I too noticed there are some flaws present in the device in this video and am hoping Behringer is hearing the observations and will do a firmware upgrade--I cannot see them NOT doing so with their excellent track record on such things, and they're not alone.
They sound VERY close! The calibration is certainly going to be different between a new unit that's so close and an original which is inevitably going to be calibrated differently, that's normal, but there is some slight difference in sound between the two. Firmware updates are in order. I cannot believe they left out portamento for the upper register, that's incredible. Great no BS comparison!
The attack/filter will be down to how the original has been calibrated, it's probably not the same as it was when it was new. You can calibrate the clone to suit.
he left Accent on so the filter comparisons are pointless
Had to laugh out loud when you said "At first glance..." Bad Gear vibes, hahaha.
But it‘s not ticking all the boxes! 😁
I have the Mk 1 and love it tbh. Never owned a Sh-101 so not bothered. Just wish it was easier to set the tempo precisely
I updated my ms-1 mk2 to latest firmware (1.0.7) today and was happy to find Behringer has added a note priority setting, last note priority is an option now.
fantastic! 👍
i Update my MS-101 with a MS-1 MK2 internal, couse i like the 101 batch so much
I was waiting for you to do a video. Optimal!
Gerngeschehen! 😁
Still the original, for bass or short little sequences absolutely unbeatable! 🙏🏻❤
@winesynths The last note priority works with my MS1-MKII. (above and below the held note) I also cancelled my order with Music Store and ordered with Thomann and got lucky to get one of the first batch. Great Review Christiophe. The MKII is defenitly a keeper for me.
Strange! I really tried everything I could also with external keyboards. Did not work! 🤯
ms-1 note priority is the same as the 101. it has both last/low depending on the gate/trigger switch position; stated on page 29 of the roland user manual.
just that it does not work on this MS-1. Both units had the same switch positions in my example…
@winesynths you had the switches on "gate" so of course it will be low note priority on ms-1, it is stated in the manual of both synths. Your 101 is Not behaving like an unmodded unit!
My ms-1 mkii plays last note priority No Problem.
thank you so much for this video. it makes me want to try a real sh-101 so bad haha
I would never give it away again! 😁
@@winesynths I had the Roland from 1991 to 2019, where I sold it for 4 times what I bought it for because I was moving... but I regret selling it so much!!!
Thank you very much for this review. I was planning on getting the Behringer, but after seeing your review I have decided to pass on the Behringer.
Not so much because of the sound, which does sound ok in your video (I still did prefer the sound on you Roland though, and some of the attacks sounded better on the Roland also, and the filter and resonance)
But because of the button-placement on the Behringer. The 2-rows make it impossible to rest the palm of your hand on the cover just above the key-bed (The gate-tempo knob, I think it is, is where I would normally have my palm resting when playing with the LFO during LIVE-play. That big round button is so badly placed right there. Maybe it's not a problem for other people, but at least I can't really work the LFO-slider the way I want to if I can't rest my hand on the synth while playing. I just lose that ergonomic feel if I have to have my hand raised away from the synth. When the palm rests on the synth-cover you know exactly where the LFO-slider is positioned even without looking at it, but when you have your hand in the air you can't feel that. Very poor design-choice by Behringer I think)
So this is a very helpful review you made. Thank you (And I was so hoping the Behringer could have replaced the SH101 for me, but sadly that is a no-go)
So frustrating that they can’t simply copy the great features of the SH-101 such as 100 step sequencer and battery operation.
At least it's not bigger than the original. That's what drives me crazy about the TD-3. They took out the batteries and it's still bigger just because it's a big cheap single PCB design.
The battery operation is definitely a missed opportunity and certainly 100 steps would be even better, but I believe the overall sophistication of Behringer's which I have on my BARP Odyssey is very good, at least as good come down to it. Yet, I cannot disagree completely, I feel you.
@@RaquelFosterThink green. For environmental reasons, batteries are just only allowed in cars.😀
@@RaquelFoster its also just 100 euro thats the only reason i bought it ohterwise it was a no go.
You could fairly easily power it with a power bank, if you wanted. You can also use an external sequencer if you find you don’t like the internal one. I honestly don’t mind the sequencer changes they made, and FM is a great addition.
I have a v1 of this in black. I am conflicted about it. On one hand some things fall short in terms of the accuracy of the reproduction. On the other hand it is incredibly good value for a fairly solidly built and decent sounding monosynth with good connectivity and built in sequncer. The FM is also a cool addition
I had the mk 1 for almost two years. Then i bought an original 101 and it’s nothing like it. This is well crafted minimal mono-synth that’s sound amazing in every knob position. I have un moded one and I’m triggering the sequencer, the Beringer sequencer is more advanced but it behaves very different. So even if you match the sounds between those two synths, you can’t quit get the same behavior and for my taste, loosing a lot of this synth character.
'the Beringer sequencer is more advanced but it behaves very different'
The more advanced sequencer behaves differently?
No shit.
@@keg3212 it’s in a way that you can do more things with this sequencer but the basic thing is not the same as the portamento. Which is very disappointing. I’m not saying that the ms is not a good synth, but it’s not the same. If you want think the those two synths are in same level of paying attention to details so you’re under estimating line of products that changed electronic music forever, for being so presided that every position is a sweet spot. Playing with this kind of instrument is very musical and inspiring, can’t say the same on the ms.
Iirc the low note priority thing was fixed on the firmware for the ms-1
Meinen MS-1 MKII hab ich jetzt auch bekommen. Hatte beim Musicstore gecancelt und bei Thomann bestellt. Bei Thomann war er dann letzte Woche gekommen, beim Musicstore heißt es immer noch: bei heutiger Bestellung erhältlich am 21. Oktober 2024.
Bei Thomann war er heute nicht mehr erhältlich. Und bei Sweetwater ist der noch gar nicht gelistet. Naja. Irgendwas werden die sich ja dabei denken! 😁
@@winesynths hab ich gesehen. Dort steht jetzt heute "Auf Anfrage" oder so.
Were the velocity and accent settings mentioned? It sounds like there is accent on the filter in some parts of the video.
@YoYoYo I have an mc-202 for twenty years now and my ms-1 mkii sounds and feels just like it. Nothing feels off.
Hopefully starsky does a video so potential buyers can get a better and more thorough comparison.
I wonder how the Softube Model 82 sounds in comparison to those.
behringer just updated the firmware that adds the ability to choose any note priority. this makes it better than your modded unit and it also retains the original roland mode as on option
Test hat Spaß gemacht aber hätte gerne gesehen und gehört wie du beide Synthesizer jeweils mit Trigger in ansteuerst zb über den Rimshot trigger der 707 um zb ne coole Acid Bassline zu machen und wie beide im Vergleich klingen. Habe die mk1 Version und mache das zuhause nur und kriege hervorragende Ergebnisse zustande! Aber mein MS 1 hat das Problem das ab und zu die Power leuchte flackert und er dann nicht an geht. Deswegen kriege ich die Tage die mk2 Version und bin gespannt.
The MS-1 already disappeared from Thomann's catalog, i tried asking them why but they don't answer my message, does anyone have any infos?
Quick update, Thomann answered me, they don't know if the synth will be back on catalog or not (does that mean a mk3 version is on it's way?)
Im selling mine
What`s the point of showing the waveforms with the filter partially closed? I don´t get it....
Interesting comparison. Will you guys be doing a review of the new Jomox Alphabase mk2?
No. Because it‘s the nearly same than the MK1! 🤖
Does this have the latest firmware update they recently released? Is the TAL or Softube or Arturia versions closer?
The MS-1 had the newest firmware installed. Concerning plugins I just use the TAL sometimes which sounds quite fat. But I never compared it 1:1.
I will stick with my Roland S1 and buy a Behringer PRO1 , this ms1 doesn't cut the mustard.
You can assign the note priority. You missed that, I guess?
where?
@@winesynths NOTE PRIORITY
If more than one note is played at the same time, the note which is played (the note priority) depends on the setting of the slide switch in the ENVELOPE section:
GATE+TRIG: the Last note is played
GATE or LFO: the Lowest note is played.
Took me 2 hours last to set up the CV gate on the sh 101 ended up just triggering the notes ...still sounds better than the behringer but ya the midi on the clones is the way to go
I smell the JU-6 because i know how it smells. ♥
I think what's happening with the envelope is that sustain never goes to full level. Hard to fix, as it's a hardware fault.
or maybe with Velocity Sensitivity set to Constant = 127 it will? Or when controlled via CV+GATE which has no velocity.
It's too bad that they made the knobs so hot that you can barely touch them.
Kurze Frage, hab vorhin den MS1 mk2 rot bekommen aber habe festgestellt das er gar kein extl clk in Anschluss hat wie bei der MK1 Version . Habe versucht über Synthtribe auf trigger umgestellt und habe das Kabel vom Rimshot trigger der 707 in Sync angeschlossen aber nichts tut sich ? Wo soll ich das am ms1 mk2 anschließen?
Habe das Gerät leider schon längst zurück geschickt. Aber er hat doch diesen Trigger Input wie Ext CLK beim SH-101. Damit müsste das gehen. Sonst kann ich dir leider nicht grossartig weiterhelfen.
@@winesynths komischerweise hat die MK1 Version besagten Eingang. Aber bei der Roten MK2 Version sind hinten nur Vcf und Sync in sowie Gate & Cv in CV und Gate out und Velocety out dann kommt Midi in/out/Thru und die normalen Eingänge phones/ext Audio in und hold. Voll der scheiß das die den Eingang entfernt haben , das macht für mich kein sinn? Habs über all angeschlossen und auch mit der RD8 probiert...geht nix !
@@winesynths in Synthtribe bei clocksource auf trigger und die Rate geändert...nix passiert! In der Rd 8 die trigger gesetzt und im Ms1 ne bassline programmiert und dann die RD8 gestartet und dann play gedrückt und nichts passiert. An meiner MK1 Version geht das ohne Probleme. Im schlimmsten Fall schick ich die wieder zurück
Maybe version III :(
😁
Harping on about the past is kinda okay if all you wanna do is scratch your chin
But it actually Sounds fantastic ❤
embrace the future whole heartedly 💯✌🏽
No, facing all of that I'd certainly prefer the original. What's most annoying is the seemingly permanent VCF decay, even if none should be heard. I've already heard from the portamento flaw except the low note priority from a remote keyboard that originally has last note priority. That's sloppy, especially since that's MS version 2. All of that immediately needs to get improved, no matter what the instrument's price tag is.
SH-101 sounds wwwaaayyyy better and cleaner and clearer, and more powerful. Original = win! They could add as many features as they like, if the sound isn't there I don't buy.
playing MS1 with velocity sensitive keybed can make it sound "less powerful".
@@herberdththe filter was also not set the same. The comparison isnt done all too perfect
So "wwwaaayyyy" is the new "slightly" now.
Deine Jacke ist kühl ❤
Die ist auch Vintage! Allerdings wurde mir beim Dreh schon ziemlich warm damit! 😁
@@winesynths Der herbst kommt lol
Why does the MS-1 use last note priority and not lowest note priority? How much more does it cost Behringer to add lowest note priority?
Nothing! 🤖
well it's there and implemented as on the OG SH101. Gate+Trig and it has Last note, the other 2 settings and it's lowest note priority.
The attack sounds like a bug.
Yea, it does which is quite bad. They just confirmed the hardware bug on the model 15. This could also be a hardware bug as it should be all analog in that section unless it has a digital envelope.
@@leo.nordmann The portamento issue was fixed with a firmware update. Let’s hope the attack issue can also be solved in the firmware.
Tubutec 😉
Do u get the key grip and strap?
The grip is included!
el viejo le da duro
THE MS1 IS USELESS FOR ME AS I CANNOT TURN THE SEQUENCER ON AND OFF IN SLAVE MODE . . . . ... . . .. . . . YOU NEED A COMPUTER TOO !!!!!!!
MISSED OPPORTUNITY ULI .
if they give a sequencer that is too good then you wont buy their other sequencers... which is why you will always get a crap sequencer built in lol
@@hyprz i just wanted to be able to turn it ON or OFF . . . . . . FFS !!!!
@@user-rv8wb1nl1b and I do that from my Elektron Model:Cycles.
In Synthtribe v2.8.1 I set Clock source = MIDI DIN, Sequencer auto sync = Activated.
Now the MS101 sequencer starts when Model:Cycles starts sending clock via midi. When clock is stopped then it stops. When clock is re-started then the sequencer re-starts.
@@herberdth does it reset at the start of sequence ? how would i do this on an mpcx ? i had to use the synthtribe app, anyway i have a PRO 3 now . . . . .
hör auf die eingewanderten katzen vom nachbar zu essen...
NOTE PRIORITY
If more than one note is played at the same time,
the note which is played (the note priority) depends
on the setting of the slide switch in the ENVELOPE
section:
GATE+TRIG: the Last note is played
GATE or LFO: the Lowest note is played.
It happens only in Ohio! 😂
It definitely did not work with this Ms-1 MK-2! Of course, I tried all the switch positions. And you can see in my video that the SH also plays the last note when it‘s on GATE only. Also, when the switch is on LFO. It‘s always the last note playing with the OG SH-101.
@@winesynths strangely, it works for others, no idea if that has something to do with the update or the system tool version, but it seems to work.
ps. where are the unborn babies shot, Alabama?🤣
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The roland has a far richer sound.
Seems like Softubes Model 82 is much closer to the real SH-101 than Behringer. The Starsky Carr comparison for that one whos that it is almost spot on.
I am only keeping mine because it’s the rare version that is branded “MS-101”. I have not powered it on in months. Pretty boring mono.
The Mkii sounds very different to the earlier Behringers to my ears
@@mattbrown-mb a more precise replication of the SH101 since Coolaudio did a BA662 chip clone. It's even less noisy than the OG. This means that instead of using OPAmps to emulate the BA662 implementation (which is practically several paired transistors inside) they could now be closer on the envelopes and the filter.
I would love to see the envelope plotted on this new one. Some old videos showed the MS1 Mk1 envelopes as linear, some showed it as exponential like the OG SH101.
You're not a very good reviewer, you have no idea what you are talking about. The note priority acts the same as the original SH-101. Please stop reviewing, you are doing no one any favours with your misinformation. A shame.
LMAOOO
You have no idea what the SH-101 can do. 😂 The MS-1 MKI or MKII, can't do sooooo many things the SH-101 can, but you wouldn't know because you don't know what to look for.
The way you review you seem quite unaware. For anyone new to the SH-101. Go check out Mathew Johnsons videos. There you will see at least a dozen things the MS-1 mkii cannot do. And there are a couple more SH-101 videos out there that will TRULY show you what the sh-101 can do, and the MS-1 cannot.
This reviewer seems to think comparing single tones is a comparison. 😂
Which features or abilities?
The review description literally says he's trying to demonstrate the sound comparison, not the features.
@@Stereo_type1982 My question was about this comment: “The MS-1 MKI or MKII, can't do sooooo many things the SH-101 can”.
Explain please. What cant mkii do? Other than 100 note seq.
Not talking about tubitec firmware but OG.
There are at least 2 variants of SH101. One with lots of bg noise and unstable ground level. One with better ground level and a bit less bg noise. B MKii got better opamps and better BA662 wrt noise.